Full Show Podcast: 28 April 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Talk said, be getay to you, Welcome into Tuesday's show.
Great to have you with us as always, Hope you
had a fantastic weekend whatever you got up to. Get
a met.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Ya, Tyler, get everyone, thanks for tuning in.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Now I've got a question for you, met and our
dear listeners. Now this is about food envy. And everyone
would have heard about food envy when you ordered the
wrong thing and someone orders something that looks really nice
and you get that food envy. So what happened? We
were out shopping, just me, May even another friend was
with us, and as we were heading to the next shot,
we spied a tyeplace that serves those sandwiches barn Me

(00:59):
barn me sandwiches. So made a quick stop off and
all ordered Yeah, beautiful and super delicious. But May have
asked me she needed to go to the sport of
Can you please order me that sandwich and that coffee? Yep,
no problem, she shot off. I ordered there, me and
our friend we ordered the same thing. So then the
food comes out and me and my friend look at
it and like, oh, may god, there looks so good.

(01:22):
May have opened up her one and just a look
of disappointment on her face. But anyway, we jumped back
in the car. So she was gutted. I could see that.
And she tried to claim that my sandwich was the
one that I had ordered for her. She was wrong
on that one. But then as she was driving, she said,
can I please have a bite? So no, you can't
have a bite. It's like, can you please? Can we
go half and half? I'm like, no, mate, you can't

(01:43):
go half and half. This is the consequences for your
own actions. You saw that menu, you had a good look,
and you decided on the food. It's not my fault
that it came out looking a little bit sad.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
To love and to cherish and sickness and in health
till death do us past.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
I know you'd say that, mate, I know. But see
you've asked her to.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
Marry you, yeah, saying you're not willing to share your
freaking sandwich with it.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Well, see, normally I did but that day I decided
to take a stance. But where it really bit me
in the barm is the friend then said, because she
heard all of this, and she said, maybe I will
share it with you. We'll go half and half. So
then I was the bad guy for the rest of
that day and say, ah, it wasn't really that deep.
I could you could have had a wee bite of it.
Maybe I was just teaching you a little bit. But
I stand by that that if it's a repeat offense

(02:30):
that you order the wrong thing. I mean, am I
the jerk here for not sharing my food with my beloved?

Speaker 4 (02:38):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (02:40):
I think that's a solid years right.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Right, that's solid years from you.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
What's hers is yours and what's yours is mine.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Not when it comes to food. You should have seen
the sandwich made. It was good, it was crispy pork, beautiful.
She just went for the plane old pork. I say,
if you make a stupid decision on the menu, you've
got to live with that. That is personal responsibility.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
My mate's healthy Spooge and Mandrake we were out for
lunch the other day and Mandrake and I came up
with a great plan as two of us off to order,
and when they came back, we went off to order
and we said at that they had changed their order
to salads, and so when the food came out, we
had the steak and chips, and then just two salads

(03:23):
came out for them.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
That is a high level beautiful prank. I mean yeah,
because what do you do when the seller comes out?
You can't ever go at the waitress. You just say
new bastards, absolute bustards.

Speaker 5 (03:32):
Low.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
It was a low. That was actually they didn't find it, bunny.

Speaker 6 (03:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Two, I'm getting a lot of hate and keep that
coming through. I love it.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
Right on to my friend and I not me and
my friend, Grammar says Linda.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Thank you, Linda. Yeah, that's a lot of hate right there.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
Me and my friend, Me and my friend, Me and
my friend, Me and my friend, me and my friend,
me and my.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Friend nicely said, mate, beautiful pronunciation. Right on to today's show.
After three o'clock, we'll never talk about true crime procrests.
This is after a forty four year old case involving
the murder of a sixteen year old Rocks and Sharp
in Louisiana and America has actually been cracked. I should say,
cracked after a true crime podcast Who Killed Rocks and

(04:13):
Sharp generated new leads and witness cooperations to the case
has long been stalled due to limited evidence, but on
the back of this podcast that was incredibly popular, new
evidence came to light, new witnesses came to light, and
as a result, four men in their sixties and now
been charged with aggravated rape and second degree murder. So
an incredible breakthrough for this true crime podcast. But we

(04:36):
want to take it slightly wider than that.

Speaker 6 (04:38):
What is a.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Fascination with the true crime podcasts and documentaries?

Speaker 3 (04:42):
It is huge. It is the biggest thing in the world.
But there's been a bunch of true crime podcasts that
have actually solved cases, gone back and looked at it
in a way that obviously the investigators at the time
couldn't have. Yeah, it's quite a thing. But yeah, the
true prime crime podcast. My partner Tracy will basically won't

(05:04):
listen or read anything if it doesn't ever murder in
its interested in it, if it doesn't have a horrific
murder in it, then there's no point in putting on.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
The speaker needs that spice.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
Yeah, why, yeah, why the fascination with murder and death
and mayhem. I mean great, if the true crime podcast
gets a criminal, fantastic.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
That's a win win.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
But a lot of them are just just chewing old
over old, grim fat.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah, so looking forward to your thoughts on that after
three o'clock True Crime podcast. What's the fascination after two
o'clock Hamilton Mother? Her name is Elisa ta Papas, who's
been sentenced to ten and a half months in prison
after committing twelve shoplifting offenses across multiple stores. So she
stole around three eight hundred bucks worth of goods. She
was described as a high risk recidivist. Her method was

(05:49):
typically to walk into a store, fill a basket and
leave without pain. But she and her lawyer claimed during
sentencing that she was an undiagnosed klepto maniac, which compelled
her to commit these crimes. That didn't stop the judge
sending her to prison. But want to talk about kleptomania broadly.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
Yeah, I mean, have you experienced in your life and
your family and your group of friends. I've known a
kliptomaniac in the past, and no matter what happens, it
will destroy their life. They'll go around to someone's house.
Then they'll steal something and then these situations where a
loved one brings the stuff back. Yes, it's a compulsion
that they can't stop. It's been a very famous one,
of course, hasn't there. Yeah, very famous political klipdomaniac.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
We all remember that.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
Yeah, so you know, let's talk about it because it's
very very hard to understand from a perspective of someone
that doesn't want to nick things all the time.

Speaker 7 (06:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Yeah, it's going to be a fascinating discussion after two
o'clock kleptomania. But right now, let's discuss truancy. So a
New Zealand perient is being prosecuted for their child's chronic
school absence as part of the government's tougher truancy crackdown,
marking one of the first cases in recent years. So
the action, of course follows a push by Associate Education
Minister David Seymour to enforce existing laws more strictly targeting

(07:01):
parents who refuse rather than are unable to ensure their
children attend school. So authorities do say prosecution as a
last resort, use only after support and interventions have failed.
But obviously it has been a shift towards holding caregivers
and parents legally accountable for persistent non attendance. So the
question we've got for you is how hard is it

(07:22):
to get your kids to school? And who is actually
responsible here? The child or the parents.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
Yeah, there's a text here that I found quite interesting
that's come through. Why don't you come around to my
house and kick in my daughter's door and get her
to school? It's impossible. The screaming starts at eight am
every day. I'm left frazzled in the car on the
way to work. All very well for you to judge me,
but this is a fourteen year old human. What am
I supposed to do fight her? You don't know what

(07:49):
it's like. There are a lot of things you can do,
so just to make it kid lead that they're not
going to prosecute you if you're staying engaged with the
school about this. So if you stay engaged and saying, look,
I'm having these problems and let's see what we can
do to sort it out, they're not going to prosecute you.

Speaker 8 (08:06):
Like.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
But the point is, I mean I know friends that
right through their kids teenage years, it's been a brutal
brutal fight to get them to go to school every morning.
That's a lot on a parent, isn't it. I mean,
it's your job. Yeah, it's one of the basic jobs.
So you know, you've brought children into the world, so
you have to get them to school. Yeah, but that's

(08:26):
not to say it's easy.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
That's right. I mean, I'm not saying this in a
judging manner, but what changed where it was optional to
go to school? And I just say that when I
was going to school, there was no real option. You
had to go and I quickly realized the consequences of
not going to school were far more serious than actually
going to school. So it was just easier. But something
changed where, you know, more and more kids started to think, well,

(08:49):
you know what, I don't need to go to school,
and I'm going to make your life a nightmare as
a parent trying to get me there.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
I didn't even know it was an option on the
table when I was a kid, whether I went to
school or not.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
I didn't even cross your mind.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
I didn't even know that there was a debate that
could be had. But interesting to look at these stats.
So in twenty fifteen, so this is the ninety percent
measure for regular attendance. So in twenty and fifteen it
was seventy percent, and twenty nineteen it dropped to fifty
eight percent. That's even before COVID. Yeah, because two that
COVID didn't lockdowns didn't come until February, so that was

(09:21):
a huge drop off between twenty fifteen and twenty nineteen. Right, Yeah,
but even seventy percent doesn't seem that much. So in
twenty twenty one was eighty seven percent in the United Kingdom.
So we do seem to have a problem with it
in New Zealand, don't we?

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Yeah, we do? And why is that? O? Wait, one
hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call? Share
your stories and your views on this one? How hard
is it to get your children to go to school?
And whose responsibility is it? Is it the child or
the parent? Ninet two ninety two? Is that text?

Speaker 3 (09:49):
Can I just say you're getting killed in the comments
on nine two nine two? I just should have shout
around not wanting to share your second week. I was
going to come across as a deck, but I went
there anyway. Oh wow, Tyler, Honestly, I presume if this
is the person you are wanting to spend the rest
of your life with. You should definitely share your food with.
Pull your socks up, Tyler, make yourself w worthy of
your lovely lady.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
You didn't see how good the sandwich was. It was
absolutely delicious, and I wanted the whole thing right back
very shortly. It is sixteen pass one.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talk, sa'd.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Be nineteen past one. So we're talking about school truancy
on the back of a New Zealand parent who is
being prosecuted for a case of chronic truancy with their child.
But how hard is it to get your kids to school?
And where does the responsibility lie? Is it with the
parents or is it with the child themselves? So one
hundred and eighteen eighty is number to call.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
How and why can they prosecute parents for not sending
them to school or refusing to Yet they won't prosecute
parents of these little bastards stealing cars and getting a
ride home for being a naughty boy. This justice system
of cerebral, said Chris. Also, my text organization is terrible
because I already did that. I went out.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
It's good to repeat though.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
Yeah, all right, hey John, welcome to the show. So
this is an area that you operate in or have
operated in.

Speaker 9 (11:09):
Sorry, it made I used to ye, I got, I
got made redundant, would you believe?

Speaker 2 (11:13):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (11:14):
No, So you were a tenance officer?

Speaker 9 (11:17):
Yes, I was an attendance officer at a at a boys'
school up here in Northland.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
And sorry, when whenabouts was this?

Speaker 10 (11:26):
John?

Speaker 11 (11:27):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (11:27):
This is nine years ago? Now, oh, probably could be eight,
but possibly nine years ago. Yeah, it made me redundant
on my sixty fifth birthday, Bro's.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
But don't talk to us about the job, John. So yeah,
what did it look like day to day for you?

Speaker 9 (11:48):
Well, it was day to day where it was a
computer system which had been set up for all the
children that hadn't been marked as explained for the day.
So from there I could work out which which kids
weren't at school, and an automatic text would be sent
out and to all the parents, why aren't your you know,

(12:11):
why aren't your kids at school? And then they'd respond
and they'd start ring it up and give me the excuses,
et cetera, et cetera. But in the earlier days, when
I first started at the school, the trunty rate was
up in the double figures. And in what thirteen forty

(12:31):
years I think I was there, we got it down
to less than four percent.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
Wow, So I think that was good.

Speaker 9 (12:36):
And that was just through community networking. Okay, So I'd
have pretty safe on board. I'd have the police on board,
all of the security people around tower, and the parking wardens,
and we'd be in contact with each other all the time,
sending photographs asking why the kid wereing to school, so

(12:57):
the parents knew that, hey, there was somebody out here
looking out and doing this. But as you said earlier
on in your program, you know, prosecution outside spray my lawns.
Prosecutions was always the last raw for me. But it

(13:22):
was a tool in the toolbox that we could use.
It was just not saying, hey, I'm going to hit
you over the head with a stick, but here is
the size of the stick, and I give them there,
I give them the the the law. You know, between
six and sixteen, your children have to be at school

(13:43):
or you can be prosecuted so much per day, blah
blah blah. And there was three times that the parents,
you say, no, they're not going to school. No, they're
not going to school. And I tied all different avenues.
It's called wrap around services, you know. Yeah, if they
had no school uniform, well then we taught them at
a uniform. If the kids couldn't get the school, or

(14:04):
we'd sought out transport and still they wouldn't go to school.
Where then my last option was to prosecute.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
And when you say prosecute, when you prosecute, did you
actually take it to the point of prosecution or just
threaten it?

Speaker 9 (14:18):
No? No, no, I did it. It took me a
long time to get all the legal paperwork together. Yeah,
originally I was I'm a social worker. Well I was,
but I was just employed here as an attendance officer,
so I knew me way around the law just a
little bit, and I worked out, you know, what I
had to do, and you know, file it with the

(14:40):
court and all that sort of stuff, and then take
the parent and the child before the court. That was
here in Fungaday, and two of them I prosecuted successfully,
but the last one fell apart at the last minute
because somebody in the hierarchy decided to take the child
off the school role, and of course if the child

(15:01):
is not on the school role, well then you can't
prosecute them for not being at school. Anyway of them.
I got through and and I know now that those
kids are are okay, they're doing all right. Yeah, the
parents were, you know, really upset that I prosecuted them

(15:21):
in that. However, it gave when I prosecuted them, it
gave the parents another avenue of support.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
So did these parents believe that it was the right
thing to do to get the kids to school, but
just couldn't actually make the kids go to school? Or
did they not believe that?

Speaker 4 (15:41):
Right?

Speaker 9 (15:42):
Yeah, that was a case and a lot of them.
One of them. I stood before the judge with this
with this young boy, and the judge said, to this
young boy, why don't you go to school? And I
know it's a family show, so I can't say what
he said, but he said, I couldn't give up. And
you know that the next word is And then the
lady said, there you go, judge. Can I back him

(16:04):
for that? And the judge said, not in my court.
So then the and said, therefore, ster, you have taken
away my authority. You deal with him, and she walked
out of the court and left me with this boy.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
Wow, and so how old? How old was that boy?

Speaker 9 (16:22):
He was fourteen? Right, Well, we finished it getting him
into a course with a crowd up here called people potential,
and he did very well once once people knew that
that that that was available, you know, to the prosecutions.
And now I think bringing them back in today is

(16:44):
a good thing. But as I say, I think it
should be the last resort to do the prosecution. But
you can have it in your in your work belt,
you know, as a tool, and you can put all
the all the support systems.

Speaker 12 (17:01):
If you like.

Speaker 9 (17:02):
We used to call them glad wrap parents because you know,
you'd wrap them up with all the different supports there was,
and they still wouldn't do anything about it.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
Could you come across experience that just didn't care, So
no matter what happened, they just didn't have a huge
interest in the kids going to school, you know that
for whatever reason.

Speaker 9 (17:21):
Then I would yeah, well then I would just sort
of sit down with them in their homes and go
through the whole scenario about why education is so important,
about why they're going to school. It's showing them, it's
getting them into a routine of getting up in the
morning and doing something rather than just sitting around the

(17:41):
house doing nothing all day like mom and Dad do.
So sometimes we got through to them and sometimes we didn't.
But then we started off a program up here in
fung Aday called slam Funk where all the police and
the social workers and anybody with any sort of title

(18:03):
I suppose, would spend one or two days of a week.
You wouldn't say when would you spring it on them?
And then everybody be going around town in their cars
and their vans. We worked with the police, we worked
with sheltered services, Throuncy Attendance Services, and any student we
saw walking around we had the right to stop them

(18:24):
and interview them and ask them why they weren't in school.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
Wow. Well, thank you so much for your call. John's
bread insights. We've got to go to an air brake.
But yeah, sounds like you were doing a great job
there in finane.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah, do you agree with John? I mean John mentioned
their prosecution that's coming back as a last resort is
an important thing. Do you agree with that? One hundred
and eighteen.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
Eighty Hon's that they should have lad John off?

Speaker 2 (18:45):
He sounded like a great worker. It is twenty seven
past one, big vitually.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking
breakfast and.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
Over the line.

Speaker 13 (18:54):
The FTA has been signed. Todd mcclay's the Trade Minister
in Deli's wethers. Do you expect trouble and Select Committee
or not?

Speaker 14 (19:00):
No, I don't.

Speaker 15 (19:01):
Labor's have supported it, which is very helpful. It'll be
interest from the public because it's a big ideal the
Indian government that I with the middle of the time
they get as in place quickly as possible to diet
prime ministers.

Speaker 13 (19:11):
Well, is there anything in there to give them some traction?

Speaker 4 (19:14):
Absolutely nice.

Speaker 16 (19:15):
We've gone through all the conversations as we've had to
have them publicly with New Zealand first and Labor pretty straightforward.
This is an incredibly good deal. It means that over
half hour exports from day one. Actually a tarafrea gets
up to eighty two percent once it's been fully implemented.
So we're not going to regret this at all.

Speaker 13 (19:28):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
Maylee's Real Estate News Talk.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
ZB News Talk ZEDB. We are talking about truancy plenty
of texts coming through on nine two nine two.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
How dared John Knark on Truance what it was a
truancy officer.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
That was his job.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
It's it's really the job. My daughter had this battle
with her girl, so she took her phone off her.
She still refused and said to her mom, you can't
make me. I don't care. I will get my phone
back while you were sleeping. What did her mum do?
She put the kid's phone on the floor and screwed
her heel into it, smashed it to pieces in front
of her mom told her kid, no school, no new

(20:06):
phone could went to school for six weeks and was
given a dumb phone. When she completed the term, her
phone was replaced no further truancy after that. It's from critic.
I mean it's funny because some parents aren't willing to
go that hardcore nowadays. Yeah, I think there's a lot
of being buddies with your kids rather than being parents.

Speaker 14 (20:26):
Right.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
Well, as you mentioned when we're having this discussion, you know,
if you had the day off and you were sick,
whether you were sick or not, but the situation for
most families, right is that the kid can stay at
home if you're sick, even if you think they're faking,
but they do nothing, so there's no going outside. If
you want to say, hey, maybe Mum or dad, can
I go to the park. No, you're sick, you stay home.
Can I watch TV?

Speaker 9 (20:47):
Nope?

Speaker 2 (20:47):
You should be sleeping, you're sick. Can I read a book? Nope,
you can't read a book. You're sick. You need to
stay in bed. And then pretty quickly the kids thinking geep,
this is boring, hairs, I should have gone to school.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
Well, this was the case for me when I was
a kids. Not only did I not have the option
to go to not go to school, it wasn't that
fun to be at home? Yeah, because you'd watch Aerobic's
Osta and then there was about nothing else on TV.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
Jes a size Yeah, times right? One hundred and eighty
ten eighty is that number to call? Nine two nine
two is the text number. Of course, we.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
Should prosecute them, and the ridiculous notion that because they
left school that you can't prosecute the previous non attendance
is nonsense as well. Prosecute and get the idea of
discipline aboard. Do we know what the word is? These days.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
I'm right you yep, that is strong. Keep those coming
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Speaker 3 (23:02):
Remember we talked about that last week than we certainly did. Yeah,
the idea that you just throw AI on something and
your stock price goes.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
Up, yep, head of the curve. But yeah, that story
is in the hero right now if you want to
have a read.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
So I watched this really interesting YouTube guy. He was
a fraud star, trickster right and confidence man, and he
was talking about how AI works as a confidence person.
So you go to it. It gives you a confident answer
really really quickly, so you don't ever question it. And
at the same time, there's always a threat of something

(23:34):
terrible happening very soon with you AGI. So they which
is what a con person always does. Yes, and so
we need to give billions and billions and billions and
billions and billions of billions of dollars of capital to
these firms. But he reckoned it was an old basically
a nineteen thirties flim flam this whole.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
AI metural born hustler AI.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
Anyway, that's not what we're talking about.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
We are talking about truancy in schools. This is on
the back of a New Zealand parent who has been
prosecuted for their child being chronically truant. But the question
we've got for you is how hard is it to
get your kids to school? And who should be ultimately responsible?
Is it the child question or is it the parent?
Nine to nine two is the text number.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
It's the quality of entertainment that's the problem. This Texas says,
daytime TV was aw four when I was a kid,
days of our lives, young and the restless. It was
enough to make you want to go to Scott.

Speaker 17 (24:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
It's so true, as opposed to video games and the
entirety of the internet.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Yeah, whatever you want. Liam. How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 4 (24:30):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (24:30):
Sorry?

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Liam, we're just having some missions with that phone. Got
you now? How are you mate?

Speaker 3 (24:35):
Are you there? Liam?

Speaker 4 (24:37):
Are you there?

Speaker 6 (24:38):
Ah?

Speaker 3 (24:39):
What the hell was going on the phone?

Speaker 2 (24:40):
Yeah, I'm sure Liam is there somewhere. We'll just put
them back to Andrew. Andrew, can you check Liam? Is there?

Speaker 3 (24:45):
Are you there? Liam?

Speaker 9 (24:48):
Hello?

Speaker 2 (24:48):
Okay? We're just going to double check what's happened to Liam?

Speaker 4 (24:51):
There? Hi?

Speaker 12 (24:53):
Hi?

Speaker 4 (24:53):
Here is there?

Speaker 2 (24:54):
We're going to back now, Liam, we got you there?

Speaker 17 (24:57):
Yes, Hey, can you here?

Speaker 3 (24:58):
He goes, yeah, I can hear you nicely. Now I'm
not sure what was going on there. There was all
kinds of phone problems, you.

Speaker 17 (25:02):
Thought, yeah, so ilmost either of the three. And we
don't have an issue getting our girls who go to school.
But one thing I've noticed is of the last year,
the attitude of parents and students too importance of school
is changed. In my opinion, I'm kind of putting it
down to the strikes that have been going on. I've

(25:23):
seen a real shift people from actually maybe schooled that
was important if the teachers are willing to strike with
frequency and such as short.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
Yeah, it does. It does seem like school became less
of an absolute certainty as well. I found with my
kids limb that I had one one kid and he
accidentally mentioned that he had a slightly saw stomach and
class a teacher overheard him, sent him to the nurse,
and he got seen home and he's like, I'm not.
When I arrived to pack him up, he's like, I'm
not sack. I'm not sack. They just heard me. They're

(25:56):
trying to send me home. I want to stay at school.

Speaker 14 (25:57):
I'm not.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
I shouldn't have seen anything.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
It's a good boy, because it was sort.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
Of a post COVID hysteria around any illness at school
as well, wasn't there so there and then there was
the strikes, and then there's weird and teacher days are
and they just felt I'm not sure if you can
quantify it, but just a general vibe that school wasn't
an absolute prerequisite as it once was.

Speaker 9 (26:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (26:19):
Yeah, and ill incasion with the Office released a report saying,
it's nice to see parents and student in school. Seriously again,
your attendance was up. But then I think literally days
later there was another striking ounce with like three days
on his to parents. So it's kind of you're beginning
them up in one aspect and then it's not that important.

Speaker 7 (26:41):
We will.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
Yeah, I can see that. I mean, I think Beckham
to my teachers in high school, and if they, you know,
weren't turning up or every single day or doing what
some of the teachers are doing now on regular strikes,
then I would have started to lose respect because that
respect was there, right that if I didn't turn up
and I wagged a particular day, then I would hear
about it from my teachers. I'd find out about it

(27:03):
and they would absolutely you know, they would stand me
up in front of the class and if you humiliate me,
and that was just not worth it. But of course
that was that respect that I looked at their teacher
and said the hard But also they are here every day,
they are in front of us, so you know that
is someone I probably should be looking up to.

Speaker 17 (27:22):
Yeah, right, yeah, you know with this pilots, I think
some of them they can give parents or three days notice,
which is you know, disastrous to a lot of working
parents trying to organize things, so parents lose respects. Come on, guys,
three days notice. And then I think, you know, one
of my daughters who in the secondary school, I think
one of the last terms she went to an entire

(27:42):
term without doing flocks at school through to various teacher
on the days strikes. So I think that that that whist.
How I do have no issue going. I think there's
a lot of parents and children are actually going. Actually
it's not taking seriously and yeah, how funny off you
know there's got the issue in concert or whatever it is.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
Now, Liam, you said you got was it three daughters? Yes,
and you don't have any problem getting them to school?
Do you mind me asking their ages.

Speaker 17 (28:05):
At fifteen and twelve and twelve twins?

Speaker 3 (28:08):
Se right, so that you know the fifteen especially is
right in the zone people are saying it's hard to
get the kids to go to school. What do you
think that you got right, that you that your kids
aren't a problem.

Speaker 17 (28:19):
I think just ethics, just kind of you know, you
have to show up, you commit to something. You're you're
showing up and it's non negotiable, and I think you know,
it's a slippery slope that you're often in and debted
with requests. You know, I can have Friday off, Monday off,
you know, can we go to walk them to watch
a concert? And it's about that consistency, I guess, because
once you start that, you know you've kind of gone

(28:40):
down that slippery slope, I guess. But yeah, no, we
don't have an issue. But I do get that, you know,
some some parents, once you've said yes once or twice,
you kind of lose that control, right.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
Yeah, that that's a good point. So if you're if
you're saying to your kids that school is just something
you have to do, and whatever plans you've got to
make around the fact that you have to go to school,
that that is, that does rock solid, that is the thing,
then then that is yeah, I see executly saying so
soon as you say so, you say or you could
go into the concert, Oh, maybe we'll let you go.

(29:13):
And then in the end, and then you're opening up
an argument that that school doesn't the be all and needle.

Speaker 17 (29:18):
Yeah, in schools, you know, schools, you know, hopefully howadays
there they're teaching some really good skills, like you know,
how to put a business case forward and public speaking.
So some of these children, you know, they come with
a real good business case for you, you know, like, hey,
today's Friday, We've got a reliever. We're not we're not
doing anything anyway. So it's you know, but and I
think that's also another thing is you know, I've noticed

(29:39):
over the last five years in schools, the chances of
you getting through the week with your constant, regular teacher
is very small. Now there's a lot of teachers who
are sharing roles. There's there they're given days off for
you know, teacher training and the reliever comes in, there's
there's sickness. But and I'm not saying that's the teacher's
fort at all, but I think that consistency of not

(30:00):
knowing who you're going to get each day, it just
less is that important of showing up.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
I remember with my dad Liam, because I grew up
in my room was in the barn, top of the
barn that was way way away from the house on
the farm, and there was an intercom and I'd go,
my dad would go, you know, we're leaving in half
an hour in the car to get into town. And
I'd go, I'm feeling sick, and you'd go, that's interesting.
The car is leaving in half an hour. There was
never any there, there was no window of debate. That's interesting.

(30:29):
The car is leaving in half an hour. Well, good
on you, Good on you, Lamb for bringing up four
daughters that are that are you know, not causing you
too much problem and going to school. It sounds like
you've got something right.

Speaker 17 (30:40):
Yeah, hop sop, so none will tell on your lead.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Thank you very much for calling us, uh the sexas is.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
Are you sure school is important? Kids can learn at home.
There is nothing in school you can't cannot learn on YouTube.
It is so old fashioned to think education should be
in a building somewhere. It's online. My son is in
his room learning. We are currently fighting his stupid school.
Your son isn't isn't in his room learning textures? No,
your son, I'm telling you right now. Your son may

(31:07):
be saying he's an his room learning. Yep, your son
is not in his room learning right now. He's having
a good time. Whether he's learning. Who knows what your
son's doing in his room. The one saying this is
for sure he's not learning. And if you're having a
fight with his stupid school, maybe you should ask who
really is stupid in this situation. It might be you.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Yeah, keep those teas coming through on nine two, nine
two and taking your calls of eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty. How hard is it to get your children
to school? It is sixteen to two.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
everything in between.

Speaker 4 (31:40):
Matt Heath and Tayler Adams afternoons used talks that'd.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
Be thirteen to two. We're talking about truancy on the
back of a parent being prosecuted through the courts for
chronic truancy.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
Another thing to consider, says as Tex says, kids being bullied,
especially in those teenage years. I was badly bullied and
iced out by my mates and friends at one point,
and I beg not to go to school. I didn't
hate school, but I didn't want to go because I
became a loner. But I didn't tell my parents. That's
that's why I didn't want to go. Yeah, I mean
that's the thing, isn't it. And it's really really tough.

(32:12):
This isn't an easy situation, But I guess that's why
you engage in the school. And there's a whole lot
of wrap around services. So if your kid's not going
to school and it's a battle, you have to talk
to the school and maybe you can get to the
bottom of why they don't want to school go to
school right, and then maybe you can sort it out.
But it's definitely not an easy thing because if you're

(32:33):
a parent, you know, it's harrowing to think that you're
sending them to school to get bullied.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
You want to protect them. Of course, as appearents get
a ben how are you you.

Speaker 5 (32:41):
Get the guys, look on, I haven't had a problem
with my son not going to school. I fully agree
with this vine, you know, and parents being prosecuted for
basically not being a parent and getting their kids to school.
My son will we just somebody tell them, Mum and
Dave got to go to work. Where you don't get

(33:01):
that new iPad on your birthday or he plays the
Fortnite and so he gets the v bucks and they're
not cheat. It's about fifty bucks a week. He likes
to spend on that. So if Mum and Daddy can't
get to work, you don't get that.

Speaker 14 (33:15):
So yeah, and that's an issue.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
And so there's no he's never asked for a day
off or you've had to when he's had you've had
to say this, or did you say that in advance
that we go to work and this pays for this,
this is why you go to school. Did you say
that in advance? If I'm asking for days.

Speaker 5 (33:33):
Off, that's exactly how it is. We telling him if
he wants this, we've got to go to work, so
you've got to go to school. And he gets that.
He understands that. Never had an issue like he gets
too many days off as it is, like, yeah, me
and my wife got to use all our sick days
up to cover these women teacher parent teacher days off
that they had the teacher any days and that on

(33:57):
top of the school holidays and that. Geez, I don't
know how parents actually, you know, if ought to take
this many days off.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
That's a really good conversation to have with your kids.
Just thinking about it now, it seems so obvious, but
you go, we have to go to work to pay
for your stuff. If you don't go to school, then
you don't get the stuff we pay for. That's that's
a great conversation to have. Pretty early. What sort of
age did you have that conversation, Ben, Oh.

Speaker 5 (34:25):
Probably see's thirteen, just ten thirteen, so probably even it
was about nineteen, especially around these you know, towards twenty
twenty two, the COVID years. Yeah, you know, I didn't
really want to go back after all this time off.
But no, it was it was not you've got to
get back, mate, get to learn something, and we're just

(34:47):
team done with these b bucks. So he loves the
v Bucks for the Fortnite, you know, yeah, you get
the top up money cards for the Fortnite so.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
Yeah, it's not really bribery though, it's sort of the opposite.
So you're saying, you know, bribery would be like or
you know, like you give them the V bucks for
going to school. You're saying that there will be no money. Yeah, yeah,
if you don't go to school. Yeah, yeah, good on.

Speaker 8 (35:11):
You, Ben.

Speaker 5 (35:12):
Well that's exactly how it is.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
Yeah, yeah, Spot, I mean it's true. Yep, it's a
good strategy, but it is very true. Hey, Ben, thanks
very much for giving us a call. Do you agree
with ben O eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty
Does it come down to better parenting for a lot
of people out there who can't get their kids to school?

Speaker 3 (35:27):
Hey, guys, you can learn most things at home from
books and internet, but there is no placement for a
good teacher teaching you how or why, or explaining something
in ways that you can learn far better than reading online.
School also is the best place to learn social interaction,
which can't be taught online. Kids are best to learn
at school. Well, they can you learn more than just
in the classroom, cheers JB.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Yeah, nicely, Potts. Keep those teachs coming through. It is
nine minutes to two back very shortly.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
Madd Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heath and Tylor
Adams Afternoons news talks.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Be very good afternoon to you. We are talking about
truancy on the back of news that there is a
parent who's been prosecuted for chronic truism. The question would
put to you is how hard is it to get
your kids to school? And where should that final responsibility lie.
Is it the parents or is it the children themselves?

Speaker 3 (36:18):
The sex it says Hi, It's miraculous how quickly sick
becomes well. When you tell the kids if they're too
sick to go to school, they forgo, for go all
extra collector activities until they go back to school. Our
kids kids love sport. You knew if they were really
sick when there was no reaction to non school activities. Yeah,
you definitely can't allow them to have the internet when

(36:40):
they're own.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
Noll. No, that's a reward for Well.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
If they're fourteen and they're going to stay at home
by themselves, you got to unplug the motem and take
it to school with you. Ye, take it to work
with you right exactly. They can't be at home bloody
playing video games.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
And you know this interesting teachs. Get our guys who
have been struggling to get our three kids to school
over the past twelve months, which is getting worse. We
live literally next door to the school, which makes it hard.
They are all in open playing classrooms, which I don't enjoy.
This subject is talked about among our friends and as
a serious problem. If we could, I would happily homeschool
our kids. And this one here, Liam was correct on

(37:19):
his points. Reconsistency. Online learning is not productive for all students,
just after the architecture students at Auckland University in Canterbury,
which is so much more practical than the students like relievers,
is a real issue as they often sit there and
aren't qualified in that particular subject.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
Getting your kids to school is one of the basics
of being a parents is this text to feed them, housen,
let them know that they are loved, and get them
to bloody school. If you don't do that, you are
not only a bad parent, but a bad person.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
Oh okay.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
The fact that prosecuting again is a good thing, even
if it's just another tool for parents, I will end
up in court if you don't go to school. Yeah,
I mean that is a you'd have to be a
pretty what's it ungrateful kid to not be willing to
go to school to the point that your parents end
up betting prosecuted. But these prosecutions aren't for kids. Aren't

(38:11):
for parents who can't get their kids to go to school. Now,
if you can't, there's a lot of services, and you
will be reached out to, and there's there's a lot
of things will wrap around you, like, for example, you know,
transport uniform, all those kind of things. It's for parents
who won't get their kids to school.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Yeah, a last resorts. Yeah, but thank you to everyone
who called and text on that discussion. Really enjoyed their
coming up after two o'clock, we want to have a
talk about kleptomania. So this is after Hamilton mother who
names Elisa Tapapa. She's been sentenced to ten and a
half months in prison after committing twelve shoplifting offenses. But
she did argue along with her lawyer, that she thought

(38:52):
she was undiagnosed kleptomaniac. Very interesting, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
So have you experienced kleptomania in your life, not necessarily you,
but people around you. Yeah, well, let's have a chat
about people that can't stop swiping stuff.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Oh e one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that
number to called nine nine two is the text new
Sport and Weather on its way. You're listening to Metton
Tyler Hope you're having a great afternoon.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk said.

Speaker 17 (39:24):
Be.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
Very good afternoons. You welcome back into the program. It
is six past two and great DEVI listening and as
always on a Tuesday afternoon, over the next hour or so,
we do want to have a chat about klepto mania.
This is after a Hamilton mother. Her name is Alicia Tapapa.
She was sentenced to ten and a half months in
prison after committing twelve shotlifting offenses across multiple stores between

(39:51):
May twenty twenty four and feb twenty twenty five, stealing
around three thy eight hundred dollars worth of good so.
She was described as a high risk recidivist and her
method was typically to walk into stores, fill a basket
and leave without pain, sometimes getting into a confrontation. But
during the sentencing, she and her lawyer claimed she was
an undiagnosed kleptomaniac which compelled her to commit a lot

(40:16):
of these crimes. That didn't stop the judge from sending
her to prison for those ten and a half months.
But that's what we want to have a chat about. Kleptomania.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
It is being.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Brought up on some high profile theft cases within New Zealand.
But what is kleptomania? How does it manifest?

Speaker 3 (40:34):
So we all have urges to do things right, but
we don't do them, you know. So kleptomanium is you
have an urge to steal things all the time and
then you steal them. Is that an excuse?

Speaker 2 (40:48):
I can't get my head around it. I mean to me,
I assume and I'm just looking at some research into
kleptomania here that it's that it's associated with obsessive compulsive disorder.
And what it seems to be in some of these
extreme cases is that people who say they are a
kleptomaniac if they don't take particular items that do not
belong to them, then when somehow they feel something bad

(41:10):
is going to happen. It creates a level of anxiety,
or they think that the world is going to end.
So whether that is.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
They think the world's going to end if they don't
steal a pair of pants.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Some of them, some of them claim that, And whether
you buy that, I don't particularly buy that.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
It feels so that the pants are connected by a
cord to the nuclear nuclear switch.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Yeah, I don't know how they justify So Cleip.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
Domatiers defined as a mental health disorder involving a recurrent
failure to resist impulses to steal items that are not
needed for personal use or moneyary value. That's the definition
of it, according to and it's according to the Diagnostic
and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, the DSM five. That's

(41:58):
the that's the first edition of that, so that was
in the twenty nineteen. So it's considered, you know, clinically,
I guess the word to be real, but it's hard
to really get your head around if you haven't. But
you know, I knew someone that would nick things and

(42:21):
his her partner would return them. So she'd come around
to a house, really really nice person, but would leave
with stuff.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
It was very odd, and what was the rationale behind
why they would do that.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
It was never really discussed by anyone, just something you'd
come back and be like, oh, we've ended up with this,
just managed yeah, and it'd be like, what do you
mean you've ended up with that? That was something that's
not yours.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Look, if you've had any experience with kleptomania, we would
be really keen to hear your perspective. I wait, one
hundred and eighty ten eighty as number to call nine
two niney two.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
Or you know shoplifting, So somewhere behind kleptomania, there is shoplifting,
right yep. And I know a lot of people have
experiences with shoplifting in their families. They have shoplifted themselves,
found a compulsion to, Like teenagers sometimes start shoplifting to
fit in. I had a friend when I was at

(43:18):
school that was just stealing so much stuff that his
bed was slightly lifted off the ground and that's how
his parents found out, right, And then his parents made
him return everything to every store, go round and return them.
It took ages he didn't remember were stolen able from.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number
to call nine two nine two is the text, tell
us your perspective when it comes to shoplifting and klepto mania.
It is eleven past two bag for surely.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
Your home of afternoon talk Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons
call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talk.

Speaker 4 (43:49):
Said be.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
Thirteen past and we're talking about kleptomania. It was an
argument that was attempted to be made by a woman
called Alicia de Paper. She has been sentenced to ten
and a half months in prison after committing twelve shoplifting offenses.
But quite often you hear these case has come to
the fore where someone is a recidivist offender on when

(44:12):
it comes to shoplifting, like this particular woman and she
and her lawyer claim she was an undiagnosed kleptomaniac.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
Says, what in the goalie is Golman? Are you talking about? Well,
she wasn't kleptomaniac, was she? Well, she she was obviously
caught shoplifting, but she said she did it because she
was under stress mentally, right, Yeah, I've tried to find
find why she said she did it.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
Right, Yeah, So I've tried to find a reference to
her saying that she suffered from kleptomania. I can't find
that as of yet, but she did say she was
under mental health stresses. Who's compelled her?

Speaker 3 (44:46):
Who suffers from kleptomania?

Speaker 12 (44:47):
Though?

Speaker 3 (44:47):
Is it you or the people you're stealing from?

Speaker 9 (44:49):
Yet?

Speaker 2 (44:50):
Definitely the letter Now welcome to the show.

Speaker 11 (44:54):
Well, good ay, goodah.

Speaker 18 (44:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (44:57):
I don't think I was a kleptomaniac in the diagnosis
type of form. But as a youngster, I did doncha
whole lot of stuff, and it was quite often, and
I did do jail for it.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
And you did do jail for it.

Speaker 11 (45:18):
Oh yeah, multiple amounts of jail, small amounts like two months,
three months, one month. They just tapped you on the
wrist for it. But I never used the excuse that
I was a kleptomania. I didn't know about that. It
was more it was more the thrill and in the
excitement of looking something right in front of someone else.

(45:40):
For some reason, I might have been lacking and thrilled
or something.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
What sort of age are you talking about, Tina?

Speaker 11 (45:48):
Between seventeen and sort of twenty three is exactly the
ages that I spent most of my.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
Youth in jail, and so when you'd go to jail
for it, what sort of you know, was it was
that that wouldn't been a full adult kind of prison,
was it? When you were seventeen.

Speaker 11 (46:08):
Year it was? It was the maximum, right, And.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
So when you're in there, so you've had this thrill
of the danger of stealing. But when you're in you know,
behind bars, did what how did you reflect on it?
When you were behind bars?

Speaker 11 (46:23):
Just punch punch something out of the showy or I
didn't mind, because when you're young and sort of floating
around cheeks rentals and not caring that, yeah, that's the home.
It's a nice little Oh, your mates are in there

(46:45):
anyway there. I think it was the adrenaline. I used
to follow store walkers around because I'd see them before
they saw me, right, And so.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
You're getting you're sort of an adrenaline junkie on it.

Speaker 11 (46:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (47:01):
Yeah? And were you stealing stuff you needed?

Speaker 2 (47:04):
Tina some?

Speaker 1 (47:07):
No?

Speaker 11 (47:07):
Actually, I was sort of going to say sometimes, but no,
it was tough, like, oh, you see a top, but
you'd steal it, and of course, because you hadn't gone
and change tried it on you'd steal the wrong size
so you'd give it away, or just it was just
it was just silly. Like I didn't I didn't steal

(47:29):
to feed from my family because I didn't have a
family at that young age. But I have stolen. I
have stolen to feed the family in desperate times.

Speaker 19 (47:43):
Because I got quite good at it. But I do
say I was good at it, but I got caught
a lot as well.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
Yeah, to the point of getting present. But did you
feel remorse at all once you'd stolen, Tina, Was there
any way that you did it make you think less
of yourself?

Speaker 1 (47:59):
No?

Speaker 11 (48:00):
No, it only made me. When I got older and
started having children, of course I definitely curbed that behavior
and stopped all that, because you don't want to go
to jail when you're not the children. But when you're young,
you do a whole lot of silly things. There's different

(48:21):
reasons for different people. For me, it was the adrenaline
and sort of the anti establishment in the through and
it's thrilling away with that.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
Yeah, you didn't you didn't feel compelled to do it, Tina,
that you might have not done it for a wee while.
Then you're in a shop and there's something in your
brain saying you know I need to take something.

Speaker 11 (48:43):
No, so I definitely am not a cleassic case of kleptomania.
And I mean, if I'd known about that, I might
have used it in my defense. But it didn't seem
to help that lady. She got ten and a half
month didn't help her.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
She did not help her.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
So you say that you did you? You said that
you didn't grow up with a family, Tina. Did I
hear you say that?

Speaker 11 (49:09):
No, you've heard me say that I did that pre
having my own part. I grew up with a very
well to do family provided everything that I needed, and actually,
nine times out of ten when I stole something, I
would have the money more money in my wallet than
the items worth. So it was purely a thrilling exercise

(49:35):
and paid quite dearly for it. You get a month
or two.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
Yeah, must have been quite effect on your parents having
their child ending up in prison for repeated shoplifters.

Speaker 11 (49:47):
Yes, yes, yes, yes. The only person that visited me
was my grandfather. But because they have they decided to
use the tough love and it worked. It took a
wee while I was probably quite a boisterous. You know,
young lady, was there.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
Any pressure in it we youth groups of people. Was
it to impress other people?

Speaker 11 (50:11):
No?

Speaker 3 (50:12):
No, it was.

Speaker 11 (50:15):
Every now and then. It was a show off type
thing that was watch me or I'll go and get
it for you. You don't need to pay for it.
But I tell you what to anybody listening out there
these days is ai, oh my god, your face is screened.
You cannot get away with it. They can go back
on the tapes for six months to a year. It's

(50:38):
not worth it. But I would just encourage those people
if they need anything, to go to the second hand
shaft or to the people that help. You keep listening
about the clip domaining as a real.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Well we're talking about you know, people are shoplifted like yourself, Tina.
And and as you said, you did your time and
you've changed the ways. Just a question for me. I
don't know if you've got an answer to this, but
looking at studies, and it does seem that when it
comes to shoplifting, it is mostly females who commit those crimes.
Have you got any thoughts about why it would be
more aligned to women rather than men. It's not that

(51:19):
men don't shoplift of course they do, but just more
females than men.

Speaker 11 (51:24):
The well, the first thing that comes to mind is
women are providers and ever since the late the early
eighties when the DVB came in, and women have been
the sole providers. And yeah, I think it's provisions probably.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
I wonder if it's so you go evolutionarily speaking that
women were the gatherers and men were the hunters, so
maybe you were off gathering. Tina. Well, I'm glad. I'm
sorry that you spent time in a prison as a
young person, but sounds like you turned your life around
and you've got a family and good on your Tina.

Speaker 11 (52:03):
But yeah, very good.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
Yeah yeah, not not good on you for not good
on you for the stealing, bad on you for the stealing.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
But good on you for lining up to it.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
Yeah, and thanks for sharing.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
Yeah, very interesting call O one hundred and eighty ten eighty.
So you, like Tina in your youth, did you commit
shoplifting and we're caught doing it? And what changed your ways?
And when it comes to kleptomania, have you had someone
in your family who suffered from from that particular illness?
Nine two ninety two is the text number we'll get
to a few of those very shortly. It is twenty

(52:35):
two past two.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
Matd Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk ZV.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
Very good afternoon. It is twenty four past two. So
we're talking about shoplifting on the back of an Auckland
woman who has been sentenced to ten and a half
months for recidivist shoplifting twelve offenses across multiple stores between
May and February in two thousand and four and twenty
twenty five. The question we've got for you is that
if you have had someone who was a shoplister in

(53:08):
your family or on the circle of friends, how have
you dealt with that when it did come to light?
And if you've shoplifted yourself, what was in it for you?
Were you like Tina the caller we had before, who
was a shoplifter in her youth between the ages of
seventeen and twenty five, I think she said, and for
her it was the adrenaline rush, but she's obviously changed
her ways. Now. Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten

(53:28):
eighty is that number to call?

Speaker 3 (53:31):
As a child eight to twelve? He used to steal
things and return them, things like a tic Tac pack
or a chockbar. I think it's like that lady was
talking for me. It was the thrill. If the offender
is an undiagnosed kleptomaniac, it can't be used as a defense.
She's not a kleptomaniac in the eyes of the court
unless she has a medical diagnosis. I assume this is

(53:51):
why the judge maintained their decision to jail, and then
it was an attempt by the defense lord to save
their client from serving time. So you know, even if
you are a kleptomaniac, then what what does that mean
in terms of your if you go to court and
the person stealing because here kleptomain the act. Does that
Does that mean you get off? Well, like why would

(54:12):
you get off with that? So you're still stealing stuff?

Speaker 2 (54:15):
Right, yeah, you've still committed a crime. But whether I
think it'd be.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
Very hard to prove that you're a kleptomaniac, right.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Because I'm just thinking about it. Where
when it comes to obsessive compulsive disorder, and obviously that
affects a lot of people within New Zealand. But the
big difference there is if you've got to you know,
lock your door ten times because you've got that compulsion
to do it, versus the kliptomania where you've got a
compulsion to steal somebody else's belongings. I mean, clearly, being

(54:42):
obsessive compulsive disorder is not a crime if you're just
you know, going around the house and switching everything off
multiple times. But kliptomania. This is why it's so interesting,
is that how do you argue that in court if
it truly is a compulsion. That's an incredibly hard thing
to prove. But you are committing a crime and stealing
other people's things. So to me, it is if it is,

(55:02):
you know, existing in some of these cases, it's a
very complex part of that that just a system is
whether you can let someone off with a discount because
they say that they are suffering from that mental disorder.

Speaker 3 (55:15):
I think that you've got a compulsion to pronounce clip
domania as clip domain.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
When I said multiple times I see that word a
lot clip domania clip to mania. I do have a compulsion.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
It's like, so we all have urges, right, that's the thing.
So this would be. This is a very difficult thing
to sort out, right, yeah, because we all have urges,
and what's the line between compulsion and choice? So you
can compel to do something, but you don't do it
because you might be like, so you're in a shop
and you want that thing, you're compelled to grab it, right, yep.

(55:49):
But that is the line between civilization and no civilization, right,
that's right. So you know, not acting on them is
part of responsibility.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
That's what I thought, because even if you've got that compulsion,
like you know, O c D. For most people that
it's they're not harming anybody. What they do. They probably
know deep down in their head what they're doing is
kind of odd, but they have that compulsion to do
it because whatever reason they think something bad is going
to happen if they don't lock the door seventeen times.
But then in this situation, I think that extra step

(56:21):
to ripping somebody off, I would have thought would flick
that switch. Whatever compulsion you've got, it's that extra barrier
to say I cannot do that. I want to because
my brain is telling me maybe I want to do that,
but I can't because it's illegal.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
Well, you know, what's irresistible, because there's lots of things
that There's lots of criminals that do things, and they
could claim that they were irresistible. But society sets rules
to stop people doing what is irresistible. Right, there's a
lot of terrible things that people could claim they didn't
couldn't stop themselves from doing it.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
Yeah, very true.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
So an addiction, you might be smoking a lot, right,
but you're only really hurting yourself.

Speaker 4 (56:57):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
And that's so you've got a compulsion to smoke a cigarette.
But an interesting text here, where is it Stealing from
a big corporation? Is okay someone's house? No, why should
these companies make millions? Well, half the country is sleeping
in cars. It's not kleptomania. It's redistribution. That person's surely
a try.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
Right, Yeah, that is there's some loose justification there. But
taking your calls, I know, one hundred and eighty ten
eighty amazing.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
You were giving a convicted shoplifter so much time. All
the excuses in the world don't cut it. Spare a
thought for the poor retailer who has to put up
with their stress, lost and sleeps. Is nice to say
nothing of the time and cost for private investigators, et cetera.
No wonder businesses are closing. The cost of shoplifting impacts
everyone in New Zealand. The shoplisters may get a thrill
as you put it. I can tell you just one second,

(57:44):
I've just got to bring the rest of this text up.
It's quite long. It's impressive long. The cost of shoplifting
impacts everyone in New Zealand. The shoplifters may get a
thrill as you put it. I can tell you the
shop keepers don't feel much except to spare as for kleptomania.
That's a very overused excuse. It's from Barbara. Yeah, I
didn't think. We didn't say the shoplisters get a thrill

(58:05):
as we put it. That's what Tina said. Yeah, I
think part of the great thing about talkback is you
get to look into other people's lives and that can
explain why they do things absolutely. And so Tina was
trying to explain why she was a shoplifter. She spent
time in prison for it on multiple occasions. Seems very
interesting to me. Heck, just to steal a few baubles,

(58:25):
and obviously the shopkeepers are the victims of it. But
I mean, if you'd been to prison once for three
months shoplifting, would you continue?

Speaker 2 (58:35):
Yeah, And it's a fascinating insight into a world most
people don't experience. But taking your calls one hundred and
eighty ten eighty and if you've dealt with that side
of shoplifting and you pamps. We're a business owner and
someone tried to plead that they were a clip domainiac,
we would love to hear from you. It is I
just ballsed up the last part of that the night.

Speaker 3 (58:53):
Did you say clip domaniac.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
Yeah, I'll get it right before the hour's out.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
I'm sure I would you have a compulsion to say
that particular word incorrectly?

Speaker 2 (59:02):
It is being on us too.

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Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Thank you very much. Ray Lean.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
Interesting texts about stealing from big corporations. I presume they
are the same companies that employ a lot of people
and pay their wages as Joanne, and who may need
to get rid of some of those employees if the
profits are signally impacted by theft. I mean, this can't
be a real text. This is the text I read
out before. This is someone trolling us. Stealing from a
big corporation is okay someone's house. No, why should these
companies make millions while half the country is sleeping in cars.

(01:00:56):
It's not kleptomania, it's redistribution. No one actually believes that. Wow,
that's not a real text because a half the country
isn't sleeping in cars. Virtually no one is sleeping in cars.
In fact, nearly no one is sleeping cars. So half
the country isn't sleeping in cars and stealing from big
corporations because no one believes that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
It sounds like someone who's been spending too much time
on readit.

Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
I think, well, maybe you think that someone could hold
that opinion. You actually think they would.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Well, on Reddit, they do. I've seen it. I've seen
it multiple times, just on the the New Zealand subreddit. Really, yeah,
the amount of people that were on there saying it's
okay to steal from supermarkets because I've wrapping us off,
It's okay to steal from banks because I've reppening us off. Really,
he'll be surprised I mean, maybe you're not, because if
you go into it sub reddit, it is it's a
pretty nasty place to be.

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
Wow, Stephen, welcome to the show.

Speaker 14 (01:01:46):
Hey guys, Hey, you ain't good? Beautiful sunny Wennington day here?

Speaker 4 (01:01:51):
Lovely?

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
How good? How good did the cake toon? Look for
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Speaker 17 (01:01:57):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
My god?

Speaker 14 (01:01:58):
To be honest, I haven't actually seen it, right, So.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
I've had a few bad words to say about this
stadium in the past. But when it's packed, when it's
chocolate like that and any two thousand, there's a spectacular
comeback victory looks pretty good.

Speaker 14 (01:02:11):
Yeah, definitely. Hey. Just regarding the shoplift, there something I
was told years and years ago that I remember I've
always remembered is what the actual costs to the retailer
when something gets shoplifted. To give you a really, hopefully,
really simple example, that's easy. If I say you buy
a product, maybe it's a chocolate bar for fifty cents

(01:02:32):
from the wholesaler, and you add twenty five cents onto
that's fifty percent, and you're selling that chocolate bar for
seventy five cents. Someone steals it. You've then got to
sell another three of the brs no profit just to
make up the cost of that one that was stolen,
and that's working on a reasonably healthy margin. And if

(01:02:53):
you've got much lower marge, you've got to sell that
many more of the same thing and no profit of
simply covering a lot of people. Don't don't think that's
that's a really good point any reason. Any retailer will
definitely be on board with that as far as the
impact goes. No, I just wanted to put that out there.
I mean, crim's hard and crims probably don't dun gas

(01:03:15):
about that, but it's just one of the factors that
needs to be taken into account.

Speaker 3 (01:03:20):
Yeah, that's a that's a really interesting way to put it.
I haven't ever thought of it like that. What do
you think about clip dominia as an attempted defense around something?

Speaker 14 (01:03:30):
If it was clinically diagnosed as an actual, real condition,
then okay, maybe there is some defense there, but it's
I mean, I wouldn't steal because like you guys, you know,
your internal filtic kicks in and you think, well, it's
just wrong. You wouldn't do that. So I don't want
to diminish or trivialize the mental disorder that someone may

(01:03:55):
have that does cause him to do that, because I
probably and we probably all do things that someone else
my class has been rather nutty, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
Yeah, I mean the second bottle of red guilty in
front of in front of you know, the warriors is
probably something that some people would look on as crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:04:16):
Yeah, they might, but the.

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
Only victim is yourself really in that situation. Yeah, thank
you so much for you call, Stephen.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
Yeah, interesting point, Thank you very much, you were Steven.
I one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
Call supermarkets rip us off shoplifting from them? Maybe? Okay,
I don't, but I can see their point of view, says.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
This text there.

Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
Wow, but do supermarkets really rip us off that? I mean,
they make profits, but you know, do they wrap us off?
I think that's an interesting question, right, I mean, they
don't make a huge percentage on each thing mm hmm.
But by the time you run everything through. So but
even if they do rip us off that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
They're not Yeah, they're not compelling you to go in
and buy their products. I know what people say is say, well,
we've got no choice because are the only ones that
sell food. They're not the only ones that sell food,
but it is it's a choice to go in there
and pay the prime is your your pain, and you
can be a bit more strategic about trying to find
better deals. But I think regardless of all there, you're
justifying it is okay to steal. And I don't think

(01:05:17):
there's any justification ever to steal. It's just it is
not the right thing to do ethically, even if these
guys are making huge profits. On an ethical side of things,
it's not okay to steal.

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
What's what was that song? What's the band? Someone will
tell me on nine two to ournt man stealing breath
Firm the meld, I'm going hungry. Someone will tell me
what that is?

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
That was beautiful, mate, that is great. We got that recorded.
I'm going to listen to that tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
That that was? That was not beautiful?

Speaker 19 (01:05:50):
Yes, hi there here are you?

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
Very good? It was great.

Speaker 19 (01:05:54):
I don't know the song.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
And well we'll trigger down. Was a pill jem?

Speaker 10 (01:06:00):
Maybe?

Speaker 19 (01:06:01):
No, just rung up just to talk about I don't know.
People know that the shops are put a percentage on
every good that goes out of their shot. They put
a percentage on for thest so that adds up to
our God's being extra. So you know, if they didn't see,
we wouldn't have to have that extra money added on

(01:06:24):
the thing. I went into a shop the other day
and this woman just stuffed. I had a mom and
a stinker. I couldn't belt one or anything. But anyway,
she stuffed all these clothes in the bag.

Speaker 9 (01:06:35):
You know.

Speaker 19 (01:06:35):
We told the assistant, and she just doesn't worry about it.
Of course, believe it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
She didn't. She didn't care.

Speaker 19 (01:06:41):
No what kind of gone, I said, she's gone.

Speaker 3 (01:06:46):
What kind of shop was that?

Speaker 19 (01:06:48):
Dress shop?

Speaker 6 (01:06:49):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
Wow? Like but not ant shop or something like a
like a it's a proper.

Speaker 19 (01:06:54):
Proper stress shop, you know, with clothes, you know, tops
and shorts and all that sort of things. And there
was a sale. So she just stuffed and right in
front me, and I just looked into that. My goodness.
So we told the assistant, you wouldn't worry about it.
I couldn't believe it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:08):
She was I to want to deal with this younger.
I would have been off after Well, that's an interesting point,
isn't it. If you saw someone shoplifting, do you do
something about it. I was working in a record store
and this guy stole a CD and one of my
coworkers chased him down the street and beat the crap
out of a man Atia Square and I was like,
that's that's a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
They're just going above and beyond.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
He was just working there point the counter. He took
it very personally.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
He was waiting for that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:32):
Thanks for calling it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
Yeah, thank you very much. Keep those calls coming through.
On one hundred and eighty ten eighty and I think
they've nailed it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
It's Hunger Strikes. The name of the song, Yeah, Temple
the Dog, Yeah, which had which Eddie Vedder was singing.
So the song was written by Chris Cornell and featuring
Eddie Vedder, and the lyrics are I don't mind stealing
bread from the hands of decadints. Yeah right, So it's
about exploding the port, reflecting themes of social conscience, equality

(01:08:00):
and rejecting systematic greed. Okay, so Eddie Vedder and Chris Cornell, yep,
you know they don't mind stealing bread from the hands
of decadence.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
Agree with them? Mad nineteen niney two is that text
number beg very shortly? It is eighteen to three.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty it's mad Heath and Taylor Adams
afternoons news talks.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
They'd be very good afternoon. It is a quarter to three.

Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
This textas the supermarkets make a massive up price in
their goods. I have a good friend who works at
a sumer I will not name, and their mark up
is incredible. Say, an item they get for twenty five cents,
they will sell for two dollars fifty. I understand they
have employees to pay, et cetera, but it's a huge market. Well,
that's not true that they have an item of all
their itdems they buy for twenty five cents they sell

(01:08:46):
for two fifty. That is definitely not true. We'll get
up the how much profit they actually make, but it
wouldn't be you'd be surprised how much they make on
each item.

Speaker 4 (01:08:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
But also even if that's the case, so you think
you can just steal things because they're too expensive or
a company's making money off them.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
Yeah, I mean again, that's the bee on all and
endo on the and the argument that doesn't really matter
if it's a legit business making money and making a profit.
Even if you disagree with that profit to steal their products.
You you can never be the moral high ground on
that one. You can't be.

Speaker 3 (01:09:19):
It's Maris, he's the buttsmaker. Welcome to the show.

Speaker 20 (01:09:23):
Yeah, well you know I think that wouldn't got too
much and deserve you service steels. Now, I don't care
what next probit. It's not how proger and go to
your steel and so when they's even beer? What when
you hear the other great story, Oh I needed to
feed my children. Well, if you haven't gone down and
played pokeys and wasted it all another ears you could.

(01:09:45):
This is the greatest thing about New Zealand. No matter
how poor you are, what if you if you want
a benefit, there's enough money for you to feed yourself.
There's not enough money for sky TV, there's not enough
money for all those perks. But you need to get
a job for that. In this woman and say it
was that green eat peak. There is no excuse for
stealing at all. And I agree with that lady who
hid the big pixon o Barbara. She's having to send

(01:10:07):
on the money, send them all to jail. And if
you know you want to fix your cliptomania, there are
course present that'll fix you up and the state can
pay for them. But it shouldn't be after the event,
you know, it shouldn't be an excuse.

Speaker 3 (01:10:21):
As soon as you clipt the maniac, as soon as
you're a cliptomaniac with mister Berg and Steelers SIGs. Can
you find out? Then you'll find out?

Speaker 6 (01:10:30):
Yeah, But the thing is is it?

Speaker 5 (01:10:31):
You know?

Speaker 20 (01:10:32):
You just a thief, is a thief and is always
a thief. In wonder how many other times I've done
it before? Jail is quite a lot for stealing about
twelve occages of the soup market or whatever. So you
wonder what the other history is. And that's what I'm saying.
We've got all these excuses, I've got a d H
D T or whatever, I've got this, I've got there,
and actually what they are they need to become more

(01:10:53):
responsible for their actions. You know, Have you become responsible
for your actions? You don't do the sort of carry.

Speaker 3 (01:10:58):
On how things gone? Just just came back to the
topic how things gone, Maris with your your incident we
were talking about last week, is that develop forever you've
been back to the pub?

Speaker 21 (01:11:09):
I actually have and I went back was on a
Sunday because we don't have a beer. But I actually
got a lot of support in the community and people
didn't even realize what actually happened. They just felt that
the out of the boat was a victim and so,
you know, and so we've actually got a lot of
support and a lot of people said, hey, we didn't
realize that was the case.

Speaker 20 (01:11:28):
We thought you beat the shit out of a kit.
I said, no, far from them. We thought it was
rolling drunk and everyone. You know, So that's been quite
a positive, a positive from the community perspective.

Speaker 3 (01:11:38):
Morris, yep, because I mean quickly explained the situation, because
it will sound random if people were last.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
Week week we talked about it late last week where
there was an incident. There was a grandfather went to
a pub with his grandchild and he accused Morris had
turned out of giving his boy a whack on the
bum because he was misbehaving. Then he tried to get
the particular pub closed down in terms of not having
a liquor license. But we were having that chat and
then old Morris caught up.

Speaker 3 (01:12:02):
Yeah, Morris turned up. It turned out it was just
a little flacking and the kid had been throwing sod.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
The kid deserved that.

Speaker 3 (01:12:08):
The sticks says, we champion characters like Robin Hood's, so
do we pick and choose when it's okay to steal?
People don't understand the story of Robin Hood. So Robin
Hood was stealing taxes and giving it back to the
people that have been taxed. So it wasn't stealing from
big corporations. He's stealing from an oppressive government that was
taking too much money. So I fee was today he

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would probably be in the taxpayers Union.

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
It's not a bad analogy. Thank you very much for
those tacks. Keep them coming through.

Speaker 22 (01:12:37):
Get a Stephen, yes, I mean Fellas, Yeah, just a
quick one. It's kind of weird how they seem to
find they have a symptom after they get caught. And
that's what anyone that he gets caught really. Yeah, I
think it's a lot of bus myself. Yeah, you suit

(01:12:57):
the jail time, I mean yeah, stealing in general as
a in my bugs.

Speaker 3 (01:13:03):
I wonder how often it'd be interesting to know how
often click the Mania is tried in court to get
some off that's been stealing a lot of stuff, because
because would you claim clep Doomania if you're stealing money
from you know, you're working in accounts and you're you're
you're embezzling, does it? I mean, what's the difference? Could
you just say, have got I had a compulsion to
keep embezzling from the.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
Company and buying some nice things for myself or is it?

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
Is it only when you're going to shops and stealing
you know, dresses, What.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
Do you reckon? Stephen?

Speaker 9 (01:13:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 22 (01:13:34):
He and my dad always hears it certainly illegal when
you get caught, So I think that's what the you know,
whoever the lady when she got caught, Yeah, all of
a sudden, she's got some kind of condition. So yeah,
do the time, you do the crime, You do the time.

Speaker 3 (01:13:47):
And your Stephen, thanks for your call, mate.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
Yeah, your dad was a wise man. One hundred eighty
ten eighties number to call.

Speaker 3 (01:13:52):
Not much ethical or moral about New Zealand anymore. I
definitely steal now from corporates to feed my child. Of
hungry people soon working out people people talk like we're
living in you know, Victorian England.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
Yeah, it's like at Charles Dickens novel there.

Speaker 3 (01:14:06):
Was absolutely nowhere to get food and you on the street.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
There was a pie warming on the shelf and you
just swiped it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:11):
It's for want of better stations that I stole the
loaf of bread. Yeah, and all their murdens as you've done.
What's that from? That's one of the young ones.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
Very good right. It is nine minutes two three, one
hundred and eighty ten eighties and number to coop the issues.

Speaker 1 (01:14:27):
That affect you and a bit of fun along the way.
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons NEWSTALKSBB.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
News Talks. Heb it is seven to three. Couple of
techs coming through on nine two ninety two. This one.
See guys. I'm not sure if this is correct, but
I have a friend who works in retail and if
someone steals their advice not to intervene. However, if they
are damaging clothes, they can. So they walk in and
fill up a push chair and walk out. But if
they start ripping the alarm tags off, they can intervene.

(01:14:55):
I'm not sure the reasoning behind this. I hope you
get someone who looks in retail to phone in.

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
I knew a guy when I was at school who
stole a one kg block of cheese. Okay, he was
a bit older than me. It was a universe see
at the time, And as he's running out the door,
a guy foot tripped done and jumped on him and
held him down, punching him in the kidneys until he
came on the cheese. Yeah, he gave up the cheese

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and then he took it back in thought there was
there was. It was an early It was an aggressive
form of citizens are read worked well, But I don't
know if people would do that now.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
No intervening just feels like a whole lot of hassle.

Speaker 3 (01:15:31):
Yeah, So if you saw someone shoplifting, would you start going, hey,
that person just chopped that person just took something. Would
would you do that?

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
I'd like to think I would. Yeah, Tim, How are you?

Speaker 20 (01:15:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (01:15:43):
Are you?

Speaker 15 (01:15:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
Not too bad?

Speaker 3 (01:15:44):
What's your thoughts?

Speaker 23 (01:15:46):
Yeah, some I've used to do with those younger, so
backing my younger days and yeah, sort of. Is there
a lot of people. It can be from addiction as well.
Some people would take them to different things which makes
them have to steal paper. Addiction or different habits. But
it's not just the scum of the effet steel was
as rich as the you know, the well off. Anyone

(01:16:07):
that could be with your son, your daughter. It's not
just all the poor people that are still everyone does,
so he's surprising him. And what they steal where they
steal from, you know, the retailers, the people that are
rich going and steal closes because I don't want to
have it even though they've got the money to pay
for it. So yeah, it's not as a scum of
the if that is stealing.

Speaker 3 (01:16:26):
And why is one the particular green emp that we've
been talking about is another even Tina that rang him before.
She said she was from a very well off family,
but she ended up in prison three times, I think
for for stealing. See you make a good point to
so do you think it Do you think it's less
bad if it's someone with an addiction stealing to pay

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for their addiction, then someone that's a kleptomaniac and has
money and is stealing just because they have a compulsion
to steal.

Speaker 23 (01:16:53):
Tim See, if I go steal a you know, a
thousand dollars of clothes, go to jail. The guy down
the road is at a company written some one hundred
thousand and two two thousand some home tottention or nothing
goes another good job as.

Speaker 3 (01:17:09):
Well, No if you if you're we've got to go. Sorry,
running out of time, but yeah, I mean people that
are stealing from companies. I mean there's I mean we've
talked about that before. Out of fraud and ambuselement that
happens in this country. Shocking.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
Yeah, all stealing's bad, right it is? Yep, absolutely yeah,
fascinating discussion. Thank you to everyone who called and text
on that. Coming up after three o'clock.

Speaker 3 (01:17:33):
Except for when Tracy stole my heart. That was fine.

Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
Oh mate, that's beautiful on a Tuesday. You're hopeless romantic.

Speaker 3 (01:17:41):
I hope she's listening.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
She's a good woman.

Speaker 3 (01:17:43):
I might give the audio a.

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
Be Coming up after three o'clock, we want to talk
about true crime podcast What is the fascination when it
comes to true crime? Taking your calls on O eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty News is next, the.

Speaker 1 (01:17:58):
Big stories, the legal issues, the big trends, and everything
in between. Matty's and Taylor Adams Afternoons News.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
Talk said me, very good afternoon. Youre welcome back into
the show. It is seven past three. Really looking forward
to this discussion. We want to have a chat about
true crime podcasts. This is after a forty four year
old cold case involving the nineteen eighty two rape and
murder of a sixteen year old a Roxanne Sharp was
her name in Louisiana has been cracked after a true

(01:18:27):
crime podcast Who Killed Roxanne Sharp generated new leads and
witness cooperation. The case long stool due to limited evidence
and a lack of people willing to come forward, but
the podcast became very popular and it was in collaboration
with the police, renewed public interest and helped investigate his
piece together the victim's final moments. As a result, four
men in their sixties have now been charged with aggravated

(01:18:50):
rape and second degree murder, with some already imprisoned for
unrelated crimes. But it has been credited the podcast that
is as a major breakthrough tool in this particular case,
which is fascinating how this podcast in particular managed to
get a result in that particular case.

Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
But broadly speak you go, that's true crime pop cast
making a difference when one positive.

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:19:11):
There was also the Teacher's Pet podcasts out of Australia,
wasn't there that led to court action.

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (01:19:17):
Yeah, that was a very in depth case and that
was interesting because it was happening in real time listening
to the pod and the police investigating. When did that
end up? Someone will know? Now I lost interest strangely
after a while.

Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
Yeah, but that was.

Speaker 3 (01:19:31):
About the wife that went missing and the school teacher
that was and the poll and the searching of the
grounds and all that kind of stuff. But true podcasts
are incredibly popular considering how grim they are. Yeah, there's
currently twenty three thousand, roughly twenty three thousand active true

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crime podcasts in the world right now.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
Wow, twenty three thousand, and a very.

Speaker 3 (01:19:55):
Small percentage of them are successful, obviously, but the ones
that are successful are hugely successful. Case file true Crime.
I've listened to a few of those. Crime Junkie Basically
my partner she won't drive anywhere without listening to a
horrific murder on a podcast. And is it true that

(01:20:18):
it's I think the stats are clear. Seventy percent of
true crime podcast listeners are female, so excus heavily female,
it does. And if if I count as one of
them as a male, it's because I'm being waterboarded by
my partners listening to true crime procasts.

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
Just leaning into your feminine side. But it does track.
I mean, most of the friend group who rave on
about the latest true crime podcast mainly comes from from
the females in the group. It's not to say I
love a good true crime podcast, but that's where I
get my recommendations from.

Speaker 3 (01:20:49):
So why does listening to the details of horrific murders
make you feel good? And I say make you feel
good because you go back again and again and again again,
and no judgment because across everything we love it. You know,
go back to Agatha Christie, that's those you know, Sherlock Holmes.

(01:21:11):
For the longest time, we've been listening to Murder, mich Mysteries,
the Brothers, Karamezov. You know, there's crime fiction, something about
humans that we want to hear about crime. And then
there's all the documentaries like on Netflix, Making a Murderer,
the Staircase, Worst Roommate Ever, There's been hundreds of them,
The Keepers, the Menendez Brothers. We're completely obsessed with watching

(01:21:35):
and listening to Murder.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
Yeah, just this modern version of it. I mean, is
it fair to say it all kind of kicked off
or a big part of it was Cereal? The very
first season of Cereal, it was fantastic. It was great
and I forget the name of the person who was
in jail for that crime, but that was I mean
that took the world by storm.

Speaker 3 (01:21:54):
Well Cereal was amazing because one episode you'd be completely
convinced one way and the next episode you'd be completely
convinced the other way. And that's a spin off from
What's Ira grt Glass Isn't It podcast? That's what is It?
The PBS podcast This American Life?

Speaker 2 (01:22:11):
Yes, yeah, So taking your calls on one hundred and
eighty ten eighty. What are the best true crime podcasts
that you've come across and what is so compelling about
them for you? Nine two ninety two is the text
number looking forward to this discussion, It's going to be great.
Eleven past three beag fory surely his talk zid be
it has caught a past three and we're talking about

(01:22:32):
true crime podcasts and documentaries. What is so compelling about them?
And what are the best true crime podcasts you've come across?
O one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call.

Speaker 3 (01:22:41):
The six Sys love the show boys, but what a
load of rubbish. No one listens to true crime podcasts.
The stats disagree with you wrong a lot of people.
The six is all my wife listens to. She can't
go to sleep without the most horrible story in her earbuds.
I don't get it, but it makes her happy. Hopefully
she doesn't poison me or.

Speaker 2 (01:22:55):
Something that might be getting ideas.

Speaker 3 (01:22:57):
But the six says, if you don't study crime, you
don't know how to avoid it. That's why we listen.
That's from Tasman. Interesting, Nigel, welcome to the show again.

Speaker 7 (01:23:06):
Yeah, I think they're popular. Existence is a stranger in fiction.
That's why people sort of get into these podcasts. There's
a local one ceiling a history podcast. I don't know
they've got the guy's name, but he sort of parks up.

Speaker 3 (01:23:23):
It sounds like a murder's being committed behind you. Something there, Nigel,
what's are you being a tack by a dog?

Speaker 7 (01:23:30):
Pretty home technic park, Christians.

Speaker 6 (01:23:32):
That's not really a police siren.

Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
Sounds like you've been a tech by something. I don't
know what's going on.

Speaker 3 (01:23:39):
Is that the hound of the biscus.

Speaker 17 (01:23:42):
There's no dogs around?

Speaker 20 (01:23:45):
What no one doing?

Speaker 9 (01:23:45):
As you're picking up.

Speaker 12 (01:23:51):
There?

Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
Yeah, yeah, we're there, we're there. We're just we're just
listening to the background.

Speaker 3 (01:23:54):
It might be the wind, yeah, but it's funny to
be talking about true crime and then there's this horrific
sound in the background of your core.

Speaker 9 (01:24:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:24:07):
Right, So well look we'll do Nigel, just put you there.
Can you get them off speaker phone please, Andre, and
we'll come back to make because we want to hear
this podcast. A couple of ticks coming through a nine
to two nine two my.

Speaker 3 (01:24:17):
Export, my ex wort mate listens to True Crime while
driving one day, Siri accellentally took an extract of what
she was listening to and texted it to me nearly
called the cops in it, James, that's good that that
that speech to text is a brisky thing on phones, right,
it is seven to me. A few times you texting

(01:24:37):
someone and then you go to explain to you know,
whoever you worth, what the text is, and then you
lock down and that everything you've just been saying is
now in a text ready to be sent.

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
Yeah. I think we've got Nigel back, getting Nigel.

Speaker 6 (01:24:51):
Yeah, I'm back.

Speaker 4 (01:24:51):
Yeah, that's nice.

Speaker 2 (01:24:52):
That's glad. You're okay.

Speaker 6 (01:24:55):
Yeah, no crimes things admitted here.

Speaker 2 (01:24:58):
So the name of the podcast you were talking about
so New Zealand murder history and you just cut out
all the whatever was you came over.

Speaker 6 (01:25:05):
It's called the New Zealand Murder Pod Story podcast. I
don't know the guy's name, but yeah, he sort of
parks up in films and sort of goes on about
a certain case or yeah, quite interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
Yeah, and do you so you're a regular listener to
that particular one.

Speaker 6 (01:25:23):
I've watched a few of his things here, I'm sort
of I'm going through I think it's about twenty or
thirty and I'm sort of got to get through them all.

Speaker 3 (01:25:30):
Have you have you asked yourself why it interests you?
What what draws you to these these murder.

Speaker 6 (01:25:39):
Well, I think truth is strangers that fiction and to me,
and you know, they have an awareness or you know
what's going around the world. You know, the world is
not a it's not a great place.

Speaker 20 (01:25:49):
You know some bad people.

Speaker 9 (01:25:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:25:52):
Do you think there's a Because there is a theory
that the reason why we like true crime podcasts and
why we like to focus on crime is because there's
part of us that needs to learn about the risks
in the world. So we get endorphins from learning about
the risks. If it ever happens to us, we'll know
how to deal with it. So can you see anything

(01:26:13):
in that. You see how people are and you go, well,
I need to learn how to avoid that particular type
of person.

Speaker 6 (01:26:20):
Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I mean it's just it's
good to know that. I think the other thing too
was people come to New Zealand thinking it's a safe country.
But I don't think it's that safe.

Speaker 11 (01:26:32):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:26:33):
I mean there's so many examples of it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:35):
Right, A couple of high profile cases, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:26:37):
Terrible, terrible things that have happened in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:26:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:26:41):
I think if you cool, Nigel, you stay safe out there.

Speaker 2 (01:26:43):
Great call. There's been a few people mentioning this as well.
Another New Zealand podcast done by one of our own
here at the Insidmea or the New Zealand Herald, a
Moment in Crime, which was annalysk and it looks at
some of the biggest crimes in New Zealand. I think
she's done David Bain, and she's done a few others.
And again when she produces that, it takes her a
long time. She's a writer crime writer for the Herald.

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It always seems to go right to the top of
the list because people have that fascination and particularly if
it's a local case. And to your points, you know,
the reason I listened to some of these podcasts I
want to understand why. I want to understand the mind
as much as I can of people who do some
pretty full noise things. How the hell that can happen
and how the hell they found out.

Speaker 3 (01:27:24):
Goes back to things like Agatha Christie and Midsummer murders.
Couldn't get enough Ciesius texture. Yeah, look, that's another thing
like cozy murders, right, what do they call it? Cozy
murder shows, Cozy killers. There's a name for them that
things like broken wood mysteries, yep, and midsummer murders. So
on the face of it, that's a pretty interesting thing, right,
So people take a lot of comfort in like a

(01:27:45):
nice village with just the most horrendous murder rate. So
you wouldn't want to the whole Midsummer murders. This is
just a horrific amount of crime there. But for some
reason that makes people feel comfortable that they want to
sit in on a cold night, put their feet up
and watch someone get killed and then someone investigate it.

(01:28:05):
That's before we even get into the CSI just basically
everything we watch apart from sports murder.

Speaker 2 (01:28:12):
OH one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call?
So true crime podcast? What is some of the better
podcasts that you've come across and what is your fascination
with listening and watching them? Nine two nine two is
the text? Number beg very shortly. It is twenty bus three.

Speaker 1 (01:28:30):
Matt Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on Youth Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
It is twenty two past three and we're talking about
true crime podcast. What is the fascination with the true
crime podcast? What are some of the better ones that
you've come across and why are you compelled to absorb
them at the levels that we do. This is on
the back of a forty four year old cold case
involving the raper murder of a sixteen year old in Louisiana.
That particular crime has been cracked after a true crime

(01:28:57):
podcast Who Killed Rocks and Sharp generated new leads and
witness cooperation. So O eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is that number to call? Nineteen nine two is the text?

Speaker 3 (01:29:06):
Is an interesting thing? I was reading the other day
that we don't really have serial killers anymore, and they're
trying to work out why. And they were thinking that
maybe Netflix might try and work out why so they
can try and get them going again, because Netflix makes
a whole lot of money from its true crime series,
like making a murder and staircase, and well that's not
a not as serious serial killer the hunt for a

(01:29:29):
serious killer nightstalker and stuff. But they think maybe it's
because you get caught a lot quicker now. Right, So,
back in the seventies, eighties and even nineties, there wasn't
as much CCTV footage, There wasn't as much.

Speaker 2 (01:29:43):
You know, high tech, you know forensics, yeah, DNA evidence.

Speaker 3 (01:29:49):
So it's hard to get multiple crimes going now without
betting being rumbled.

Speaker 2 (01:29:54):
It's a lot of logic to that, because you think
of the serial killers in the eighties and nineties. I mean,
even the nightstalker who was found by new DNA technology
when it came to the fore I think he was
caught through ancestry dot com if I'm not miss taken.
But that isn't interesting. I didn't think that the amount
of serial killers has dropped off in recent years. Oh,

(01:30:15):
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number of
cool nineteen nine t is the text on true crime.
Get a Brett good a bat now, yeah, good mate.
You want to have a chat about true crime podcasts?

Speaker 9 (01:30:27):
Yeah, I do.

Speaker 18 (01:30:29):
I was wondering how, I mean, you guys seem to
not be informed at some things which are going on
in the world outside of true crime. There's been studies
done with animals, in fact, with chimpanzees, and what they
did was they showed chimpanzees while you know, they've move
foot footage taken from out in the savannah and out
in the bush of chimpanzees being stalked by leopards, killed

(01:30:52):
by leopards, and devoured by leopards. And they showed these
movies to chimpanzees, and the chimpanzees couldn't get enough of it.

Speaker 3 (01:31:01):
Right, So that would be because they're learning how to
I've actually listened, I've actually studied little bit about this
is a book on this as well. And the other
thing that they've noticed that young gazelle will actually stop
and look at a predator because they know they can
get away, so they can. They're trying to explain it.

(01:31:21):
It's probably the similar thing that you're talking about as
that they want to know the knowledge, you know, they
want to learn the details of you know, of the predator.

Speaker 18 (01:31:31):
Yeah, I saw a bit of a footage of it,
and I'm like, I'm a boomer, so I'm way back
in the day guy. And when I was a kid,
I was taken to see the Wizard of Oz and
we were terrified by those flying monkeys. We jump behind
the seats, but we get picking out to see them.
And this is exactly what the chimpanzees are doing. They

(01:31:52):
would say to cover their eyes in their peak and
look at them, and they'd cover their eyes. They were terrified,
but they could not take their eyes off this. The
leopards attacking chimpanzees. So I think it's much the same thing.
It's probably a very primordial type thing. And like basically,
and you're back down there in your reptilian brain which
drive you to watch this stuff not so much, you know,

(01:32:14):
the night I think I'll be on to stop somebody
killing me in the future because I watched True Crime.

Speaker 3 (01:32:19):
Well, well there's an interesting thing as well, Brett, where
after you've seen something scary, you get, you know, a
rush of Doorphins. So it's the same thing that you
get on, you know, a rollercoaster. Once you finished, you
want to do it again, even though it's a scary thing.
And I'm not sure that way that is.

Speaker 18 (01:32:36):
Because you're precariously survived.

Speaker 3 (01:32:38):
Yeah, so you've been through you've been through something stressful,
and afterwards you get a rush. So that's similar to
why we you know, in horror movies, what do people
line up to go to horror movies when it scares
the crap out of you? But you do kind of
feel good after a horror movie, don't you, even though
you're shocked by You feel good after a fear because
often people.

Speaker 18 (01:32:59):
I'm not so surely. Years ago I saw Deliverance.

Speaker 3 (01:33:02):
Was it delivered Well, that's that is disturbing that movie.

Speaker 18 (01:33:05):
When I came out of that movie, I just I mean,
I'm glad there was no Yogles around because to run
them down.

Speaker 3 (01:33:11):
Ling ding ding ding dingling ding ding ding ding came
in Nightmare? Is that movie stands up? I watched it
recently and that is a horrible movie. It's just brilliant,
But the fact that exists, it's hut. That was the
fourth biggest movie in the year it came out. Can
you mention people going in the time of superhero movies
and stuff, people went to see you.

Speaker 18 (01:33:33):
I think it was a real work. When one of
the bodies reappeared, he thought.

Speaker 2 (01:33:38):
That's right. Yeah, I mean the atmosphere involved, just on
the banjo scene. I'm not going to talk about that scene.
Everybody knows. But the banjo scene with.

Speaker 3 (01:33:45):
The squire like a pig, you can talk about that.

Speaker 2 (01:33:48):
Let's not talk about just the tension when the kid's
playing the banjo and all the family around.

Speaker 5 (01:33:54):
On.

Speaker 2 (01:33:54):
Man, this is not going to go well, this is terrifying.

Speaker 3 (01:33:56):
That's a real kid, that banjo player.

Speaker 4 (01:33:58):
Yeah, yeah, sorry, guys, I've got to go at my grand.

Speaker 3 (01:34:02):
Thanks Brett, appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:03):
Yeah, good man.

Speaker 3 (01:34:04):
The ling ding ding ding ding ding ding Hey.

Speaker 2 (01:34:06):
Well, one that I saw it was a true crime
PODCA documentary rather that came out not long after Cereal
and it was called The Jinx The Life and Times
of Robert Durst. That one floored me when I watched it.
For people who haven't seen it, it was about a
New York real estate mogul. He had a very wealthy family,
but people around him kept dying and this one documentary

(01:34:28):
make a very famous documentary maker. Actually I'll look up
his name, but he approached Robert Durst and said, I
want to make a documentary about all these things that
are going wrong. But like Cereal, he was such a
strange guy. He was quite compelling to listen to, but
a very strange guy, Robert Durst. But like Cereal, I
kind of went I think there's six episodes in the
first season, went from definitely guilty to maybe he's just

(01:34:49):
a strange guy, to definitely guilty. But then the last episode,
and I don't want to give it away even though
it's eleven years old, but the last episode, he walks
into a toilet with a mic still attached and he
sees something that is pretty audible on camera but slightly
There's enough in it that kind of makes you question.
But it was that kind of drop mike moment, that

(01:35:11):
oh my god. And then the season ended, right There
is a season two if you want to go watch it,
and it shows what happened to Robert Duris. But man,
that was, yeah, that flowed me that documentary.

Speaker 3 (01:35:22):
Ellis's great topic on the True Crime podcast Absolutely love
Ryan Wolfe's Guilt series He covers cold cases in New
Zealand and Australia, but also works to find new leads.
I think my fantas sasination with True Coin comes from
getting an insight into the types of people that most
of us never encounter. Hey, guys, love the show. The
reason there's no serial killers anymore is because we're tracked

(01:35:42):
like dogs. We may as well have chips inside our arms. Yeah,
I mean I was involved in this sort of criminal
case recently, not as a.

Speaker 2 (01:35:55):
Not as a defendant.

Speaker 3 (01:35:57):
No, but the amount of CCD footage around is incredible.
You just people are just tracked absolutely everywhere. I mean,
that's changed, you know, that's must have changed everything in
terms of you know, investigation but also convictions.

Speaker 4 (01:36:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:36:14):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighties and number to call.
Why do you love true crime podcasts? And what are
the best ones that you've come across? And coming up
very shortly, we are going to have a chat to
a senior crime reporter, analysk who puts together the Moments
in Crime podcast True Crime podcast. We're going to have
a chat with her. So that is all coming up
very shortly. Nine two nine two is the text number.

Speaker 3 (01:36:34):
This text might get people going only girls like true crime.
Men watch UFC real violence. Women can't fight, so they
need to learn how to defend themselves. Men watch violence
firsthand so they can learn how to fight.

Speaker 2 (01:36:46):
Interesting, Is that true? Tell us so eight hundred and
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Speaker 2 (01:38:08):
Thank you very much. Raylen So. Analysek has been a
senior crime and justice reporter for The New Zealand Hero
for more than a decade. She's also behind the very
popular Moment in Crime podcast, where she takes listeners inside
some of our most fame, infamous incidents, notorious offenders and
behind the scenes of hope profile I should say, trials
and events to show you what's really happening in our

(01:38:29):
own backyard. And Analysk is on the phone right now.
Anna afternoon to you.

Speaker 11 (01:38:35):
Hi.

Speaker 10 (01:38:35):
How's it going?

Speaker 3 (01:38:36):
Very good? If you don't mind, we'll start off in
a philosophical manner. Why do you think we're so fascinated
with true crime?

Speaker 10 (01:38:43):
Look, I think that you know a very few of
us will go to prison or have anything to do
with crime and criminal offending in New Zealand. And I
think it's just it's what you don't have in your
normal life really piques your interest. I think with such
a small country tool we have had some really unusual
crimes over the years, and I think that it's so

(01:39:04):
far from normal life that people are just obsessed with
it and just can't enough. They want to know more,
and they want to know all the details. They want
to revisit the details over there is particularly of some
of our more high profile cases.

Speaker 3 (01:39:16):
How is New Zealand crime different from crimes from around
the world. Is there, for the want of a better word,
is there a flavor to New Zealand's these horrible New
Zealand crimes.

Speaker 10 (01:39:28):
Look, I think we get a good a good mix
of you know what the rest of the world has.
Obviously we don't have sort of some of the bigger
scale of you know, victim numbers and that sort of thing,
although we have had a terror attacks and mass murders here.

Speaker 12 (01:39:42):
I just think that it's, as.

Speaker 10 (01:39:43):
I said, we're a small population or a friendly little country,
and so when we do have some of those more violent,
you know, awful crimes, that really sort of does shock
us a lot more. I think New Zealand has a
horrific rate of domestic violence and crimes against women and
child abuse crimes will be the sort of the more

(01:40:05):
top end ones that we have here, which I think
just you know, ways to make people really upset.

Speaker 3 (01:40:10):
So do you do you follow Global True Crime podcast?

Speaker 17 (01:40:15):
Is?

Speaker 9 (01:40:15):
Are you?

Speaker 3 (01:40:15):
Are you a fan of the genre as well as
being a successful, you know, maker of the genre for
you haven't destroyed that very well, but you know.

Speaker 10 (01:40:24):
Yeah, I've loved listening to crime stories reading crime stories since.

Speaker 20 (01:40:29):
I was a kid.

Speaker 12 (01:40:30):
You know.

Speaker 9 (01:40:30):
I used to remember sitting around with my dad.

Speaker 10 (01:40:32):
There was a shows called Autopsy and you know the
flight investigation you know, flight crash investigation things that we
used to watch all that sort of thing growing up
with dad.

Speaker 20 (01:40:43):
So I've definitely had an interest in it.

Speaker 10 (01:40:45):
I think one of the first chapter books I was
ever court reading that I shouldn't have been was the
Outhur Allen Thomas book Back in the day. I'm literally
under my covers with the torch looking at all of
the quite awful I'm seeing photos in that book. So
I definitely had an interest in it, and I try
to listen to peep up to that with all of
the podcasts and things out there. I do love, you know,

(01:41:08):
the one the ones that take one crime and break
it up into a whole bunch of episodes. There was
really really interesting to me. So and of course documentaries
I do really enjoy and find that really fascinating content.

Speaker 2 (01:41:21):
Well, what do you reckon the episode is that you've
you've produced and created anna that you've got the most
feedback on.

Speaker 10 (01:41:29):
Oh, I mean everyone in New Zealand has something to
say about you know, Bain Lundy, Scott Watson. So there
are always cases that I've a coupled all of those
in a moment in crime, there are all ones that
there's been a lot of feedback on, but I think
some more recent ones. I covered the case of Bromin Warwick,
who is a woman who murdered someone in the nineties

(01:41:52):
and has sort of you know what led to that
and what led to her life of crime sort of
before and after that murder. And it was really interesting
and you know, interviewing her over the course of a
year and you know, finding out what what happened in
her life to put her where she is now. So
that was a really really fascinating one for me.

Speaker 3 (01:42:11):
Have we had a new Zealand serial killer.

Speaker 20 (01:42:16):
We have.

Speaker 12 (01:42:16):
I think there's been a couple.

Speaker 10 (01:42:18):
There was one actually I wrote about it at the weekend,
a woman called Lisa Turner who killed three babies. Sort
of made it out to look like cott death, but
when the third little boy was killed, the police sort
of thought something's not right here and looked further into her.
She's going to be covering her in an upcoming episode
of the podcast, so that'll be really interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:42:42):
But yeah, there have.

Speaker 3 (01:42:43):
Been many, many, many Dean What was the many Dean
stories and many Dean out of money?

Speaker 10 (01:42:49):
Dean was back in the day she was collecting I guess, well,
she was a baby farmers what they described her as.
She was taking on kids, you know, mum might need
a break, or kids that don't have anywhere to be,
and she was taking those on in a care role
and some of them disappeared and whenever seen again. So yeah,
Mini Deme was probably the first serial killer that we

(01:43:13):
had in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:43:14):
What about the unsolved cases that you've done in it,
because you know, is there a double stord there that
one you want to provide the information that the public
don't want to know about. But in the back of
your mind. Perhaps you're hoping that the sparks something out
there that provides police worth more witnesses, a bit more
information to maybe solvent I.

Speaker 10 (01:43:34):
Always hope whenever I'm writing about a case that's unsolved,
I always hope that this is the story or this
is the podcast episode that the person with the ounces
here and you know, we'll be able to crack the case.
I always hope in the cases I am believe Crookshank
who went missing down a La Tepo at Kingston, which
was a little two year old girl just vanished into

(01:43:55):
sit air, you know, the Kersey Bentley murder you know
has ever been arrested to that, and the Ashburton teenager.

Speaker 20 (01:44:01):
So there's every time I write about.

Speaker 10 (01:44:03):
Or speak about those cases, I think, I hopefully this
is the day that someone who as information will hear
this and decide to come forward. So it's always, you know,
as you say, while people sometimes don't want to hear
the glory details of a crime, I think it is
important to keep a lot of them at the forefront
of our minds when they're not solved or when there's
lessons to be learned.

Speaker 3 (01:44:24):
How different is it covering a more recent case as
opposed to an older case. We were just talking before
about you know the amount of CCTV footage. There just
is a lot more media from a U case. Right
when I say media, I don't mean writing. I mean,
you know, visual is audio. There's a whole lot more
to look at and investigate, if I know, if.

Speaker 12 (01:44:45):
You yeah, and podcasting tubs.

Speaker 10 (01:44:46):
There's definitely more audio options out there, so you can
build an episode around, you know, in court sentencing, comments
from judges and interviews. We record most of our interviews
now either on video or audio, so people are getting
to hear from the witnesses and the victims firsthand, where
some of the older cases I sort of have to

(01:45:07):
turn to voi sectors and you know, reading judges long
long sentencing notes myself to get those stories told. So
it is very different. I mean there's a lot of
information out there about some of our historic crimes, but
not necessarily in a way that you can be shared
other than reading it. So yeah, it's really interesting covering
the more recent cases because you can, as I said,

(01:45:29):
you know, access those interviews and that in court and
police press conferences and that sort of thing. It's all
sort of there for you to use.

Speaker 3 (01:45:36):
Here's a text that just come through that I'd like
to share with you. Hi to Anna, I love a
moment in crime. It's so informative and entertaining while being
mature and respectful. Keep it up, Anna thumbs up.

Speaker 2 (01:45:48):
Oh, thank you, great feedback, and I thank you very
much for having a chat with us, Ahally. One final question.
Is there any case that you've covered that gave you
nightmares that stuck with you a lot more than the others?

Speaker 8 (01:46:01):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (01:46:01):
One that I always think of when people ask me
this is a christ which case we caught it? The
House of Horrors, the case of Jason Somerville his wife.
He went to police and said, my wife's gone missing,
and a couple of days later he admitted that he
had killed her and put her in under the house.

Speaker 19 (01:46:19):
A very awful, awful situation.

Speaker 10 (01:46:21):
For that poor woman. And then as he was being
interviewed by police, he said, oh, you know, there's another
one under there, and his neighbor, Tesha Lowry, who had
been missing for over a year, he'd also killed her
and buried her in under the house. So that was
just shocking to cover to write about. You know, we
accessed his police interviews which were absolutely fascinating.

Speaker 20 (01:46:45):
And then there was a Nigel Latter.

Speaker 10 (01:46:47):
Special on him on Beyond the dark Lands, which was
in a phenomenal television show. But the killer's background and
how he became who he was, and just everything about
that case.

Speaker 12 (01:46:57):
Is just the stuff of nightmares.

Speaker 10 (01:46:58):
It's just awful and sad, and yes, I often think
of that one when I think about some of the
worst things I've done.

Speaker 2 (01:47:03):
There was a gruesome case that one. Anna, thank you
very much for having a chat with us. Great to
catch up and we'll chat again so hopefully.

Speaker 12 (01:47:10):
Thanks guys the time.

Speaker 2 (01:47:11):
That is analyst, senior crime and justice reporter for The
New Zealand Herald and also behind a Moment in Crime
podcast which you can find. We'ere Heavy, I listen to
your podcast, taking more of your calls on our eight
hundred eighty ten eighty. When it comes to true crime podcasts,
what are the best ones? You've listened to them? What
is so compelling about them?

Speaker 3 (01:47:28):
This is a really good text on what we were
talking about before. The person said only girls like true
crime mean men watch UFC and league real violence. Women
can't fight, so they need to learn how to defend themselves.
Men watch violence so they can learn how to fight.
Sex is good, lads. Anyone says they watch UFC to
learn how to fight, definitely cannot fight. It's like watching
the Warriors to learn how to run for eighty minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:47:50):
Not a bad response. Keep those discovered through nineteen nineteen.
Is that number? It's seventeen to four.

Speaker 1 (01:47:56):
Your home of afternoon Talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons call, Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth Talk said be.

Speaker 2 (01:48:04):
It is fourteen to four, and we have been talking
about true crime PODCA.

Speaker 3 (01:48:08):
I found that author in the book that I was
talking about before. His name's Carlton Scrivner, and he's written
this book called Morbidly Curious. Love to Talk to Me.
Actually a scientist explains why we can't look away, and
so his theory in this book and I haven't read
the book, but I listened to him on the Modern
Wisdom podcast talking about it, and his theory is that

(01:48:31):
humans are naturally drawn to threat related information. So this
is why we're watching CSI, this is why we're watching
true crime, all the things we watch, even reading Against
the Christine novels, whatever it is midsummer murders. Humans are
naturally drawn to threat related information. It's the same reason
why you slow down at a crash, saying, your brain
is basically asking what happened here? And could it happen

(01:48:51):
to me? Right, And so we're drawn to that. And
so from an evolutionary standpoint, paying attention to danger gives
you better odds of survival. And so your brain gives
you a head of endorphins doing this because you're doing
something that will increase your survival. So spending time learning
about dangerous things feels good because it increases your chance

(01:49:16):
of dealing with that situation if it comes wrong. So
it's unless you simulate threats without real risk. And as
I was saying before, that they've found that with young gazelle.
So when all the old gazelle are running away, some
young gazelle will stand back and look at the predator
and just learn about it because they back themselves to

(01:49:36):
get away. And as our caller before was that, Brett
was saying that you can play you know, videos of
monkeys being attached, you know, chimpanzees being attached by attacked
by cheats, and they'll watch it and they'll be fascinated
by it because they want to learn, even on their
sort of not as smart as us level.

Speaker 2 (01:49:55):
That is fascinating.

Speaker 3 (01:49:56):
So that's why we're doing it. That's why you think
it's fun to sit down and watch Midsummer Murders.

Speaker 2 (01:50:00):
And what's the name of their book, Morbidly Curious?

Speaker 3 (01:50:03):
Yeah, Morbidly Curious by Calton Scribner.

Speaker 2 (01:50:06):
It seems like a great read. Kathy, how are you
this afternoon?

Speaker 17 (01:50:12):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:50:12):
Then, hi? Now did you meet one of New Zealand's
very few serial killers, Lisa Turner?

Speaker 14 (01:50:20):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:50:20):
I did.

Speaker 12 (01:50:21):
We were all sitting It was visiting time, and we
all sat out in the courtyard and little tables and
had cups of tea and that sort of thing. But
they were sitting she and her I assume family members
were all just sitting around chatting, and we were sitting
next to them, and I I was absolutely shocked to

(01:50:48):
know that she was the one who did those dreadful things.

Speaker 2 (01:50:54):
Was there anything about her appearance or did did you
know you hear anything from her that that gave you
the heb Gbs?

Speaker 20 (01:51:02):
Well, I got the hereby GBS.

Speaker 12 (01:51:05):
But I think it was the fact that she looked
so ordinary, and you know, I only just arrived to
visit another inmate on behalf of a friend of mine

(01:51:25):
who wanted me to make sure she was okay. She
done a pretty horror horrific thing like importing class A
drugs into New Zealand, and she got caught and she
served about seven years or something like that. But this
Lisa Turner was just freaked me out. She looked so

(01:51:47):
ordinary and she was just so.

Speaker 14 (01:51:50):
Oh, I.

Speaker 12 (01:51:54):
Can't find the words.

Speaker 3 (01:51:55):
Really.

Speaker 2 (01:51:56):
Yeah. Well, Kathy, thank you very much for giving us
a call and sharing your experience. That would have been
pretty disturbing at least A Turner, of course, one of
one of the very few serial killers in New Zealand,
very young children and babies, and sometimes that's, you know,
part of the fascination. I look at Ted Bundy and
when he was in that particular trial for the crimes
he committed. I think that was part of the fascination.
That this guy on the surface was fairly charming, fairly

(01:52:19):
ordinary and some would say, you know, quite good looking,
but the crimes he committed, So that was a lot
of the fascination, is how could someone like this do
what he's done?

Speaker 3 (01:52:29):
The sexy sis, please talk about the series mind Hunter.
Mind Hunter on Netflix as just one of the absolutely
one of the best TV shows ever made, if you
asked me, based on the first profiling of serial killers.
Such a good series.

Speaker 2 (01:52:43):
Yeah, and book.

Speaker 4 (01:52:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:52:47):
I don't know why they can't do a third series.
I think it's because what's.

Speaker 2 (01:52:52):
His name, David Fincher.

Speaker 3 (01:52:53):
David Fincher. It's a very expensive show to make, and
he's such a stickler for detail that they can't quite
get him to do a third series.

Speaker 2 (01:53:03):
I hope it comes back because it left on a
hell of a cliffhanger.

Speaker 3 (01:53:06):
But it's so well, it's just so incredibly put together.
The series like it's it's just so well crafted.

Speaker 2 (01:53:15):
Yeah, yeah, well worth a watch if you haven't watched
it Mine Hunter.

Speaker 3 (01:53:18):
You know so David Fincher's it's not created by David Fincher,
but he's a huge part of it, right.

Speaker 2 (01:53:23):
Yeah, I thought he was. Was he the primary directors
but not show executive producer?

Speaker 20 (01:53:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (01:53:28):
That was it?

Speaker 2 (01:53:29):
Yeah, right, Keep those six coming through on nine two
ninety two. It is eight minutes to four.

Speaker 1 (01:53:35):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
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Speaker 3 (01:53:49):
Sworded Scale is a great podcast, gruesome and graphic American murders.
It's about season twelve now, so that's hundreds of murders.
Blows me away. How many people are murdered. Puts me
to sleep gently. All that murder It's wild stuff from Jimmy.

Speaker 2 (01:54:02):
Good on you, Jimmy.

Speaker 3 (01:54:03):
It is crazy, isn't it? How people feel comforted by
hearing about me? I think it's true. What that's that
doctor we were referring to before is talking about makes
us feel like we are making it. We make ourselves
safer by studying these things. So it makes us feel
good to listen to these horrific murders.

Speaker 2 (01:54:24):
Yeah, a lot of logic behind it. This takes us, says,
get guys. Have you seen the Netflix dot on Fred
and Rosemary West stays with you? Very disturbing? I bet
it does. That's one I don't know if I want
to watch knowing what those those particular people did. And
this one to your point, Matt, in my experience, girls
absolutely love true crime. I like some of it, but
the misses can binge watch hours and hours of it.

(01:54:46):
That is her thing. So I think your theory absolutely
stands up.

Speaker 3 (01:54:50):
So she's watching that so she can see signs of
serial killer in you, so she learns what a serial killer,
what a murderer is like, so she can make sure
that you aren't that and looking at you start acting
freakily at all, then she knows to run outside, run away.

Speaker 4 (01:55:08):
Very good.

Speaker 3 (01:55:09):
All right, That brings us the end of the show.
Thanks you so much for listening, Thanks for all your
calls and texts over the last four hours of radio.
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Speaker 2 (01:55:34):
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Speaker 3 (01:55:35):
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the French band Phoenix. This one's obscure because when you
were talking about Klep Domania before, it made me think
of the song Lis Domanian.

Speaker 2 (01:55:47):
Well, played made.

Speaker 5 (01:55:48):
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Speaker 1 (01:55:51):
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