Full Show Podcast: 28 July 2026

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Speaker 3 (00:35):
Hello, Tyler Adams. Hello everyone. One hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number before we get into the topic
for this hour. I want to I want to, you know,
rack over the calls of something we discussed yesterday between
three and four great as it was controversial. It was
so yesterday we were talking about a Times UK study
that claimed men have on average five hours more risk

(00:56):
time a week than woman, and there was a suggestion
that that woman should get a eleven days extra holiday
a year to make up for how much much more
work they do at home correct yep, than men.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
That was a suggestion controversially.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
Yeah, and I raise the idea that perhaps sometimes it's
that some woman in relationships, like perhaps my betrothed, who
spend much longer on jobs at home because she or
they have a bunch of made up standards that maybe

(01:33):
I don't adhere to because I potentially think they are
a waste of time. You see what I'm saying. Yep,
so ways of doing things that make things harder, and
if you don't do them that way, then they consider
it not even been done when you consider it has
been done. You see what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
I know exactly where you're coming from.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
So working, I would argue, I work smarter, not harder
at home.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Yes, right, ye.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
Anyways, I got a lot of pushback on this yesterday,
with people telling me that I should shut up and
just admit that men are lazy instead of pushing back.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Quite rude actually.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
And then because the algorithm is evil and smart and
analyzes everything thing you're doing, this woman popped up on
my Instagram feed confirming that I'm not alone in this belief.
This is kat Taylor, who goes by the handle menopause
the truth with this video, and the video had the
title women say, I'm sick of being the only one

(02:24):
who does things around here. Also women do this.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
No that's not the way I like it.

Speaker 4 (02:32):
That's not the way I have it. No, that's not
the way I do it. No, no, no, no, no,
that's not done proptly. No, that's not the way I
have them.

Speaker 5 (02:56):
No, I no, don't do it like that.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
You know, a little bit of help wouldn't go Australia,
and I was doing things by myself.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Thank you for that reassurance.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
So higher than zero out of work being done in
the home is just because you don't agree with the
particular way the work has already been done.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
As I pointed out yesterday, what happened to me when
I put the washing out, hung it up, and then
I got a telling off for not hanging it out properly,
and then got told to go away.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
That's wasting ever Unstein.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because I hadn't wasn't putting the close
pigs in the exact right place on my t shirts?

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yes, on your own close my.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
Own clothes, And I don't care. I don't care if
they've got pig marks or hanging down bits.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Jessy's looking a bit pointing on the shoulders ectually, mate,
I like it like that, yeah, fair enough to anyway.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
Just just thought it was interesting that I wasn't the
only one that had made this observation. Yep, this woman
Kat Taylor has as well.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
Understand it's good to get that reassurance. All right, So
this got behind us and move forward. Put that one
to bed, because least get into this. It's going to
be in an interesting chat. Labor leader Chris Hipkins is
calling for future coalition agreements to clearly outline that the
Prime Minister has authority to discipline ministers from other parties,
saying tougher enforcement of cabinet rules is needed following intodence

(04:09):
like this comment from Shane Jones.

Speaker 6 (04:10):
But that's time you go to an f the nationalist
rally to receive a foreign leader. Take up your kneepads.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
So that was pretty controversial.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
What does he delivered? It's such volume the martin us.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
Quite Morcellini like, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
Yeah? Yeah, very very loud when you hear it that
the applause coming in. Yeah, I think maybe he could.
I I'm not criticizing his delivery because you know, he's
a fantastic or he's quite the orator. Yeah, but I
know Chris Fluxion probably didn't like the content of that.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
He certainly did, and he called it crass an unprofessional.
But on this idea from Labor leader Chris Hipkins. Both
the Green Party and to Party Multi say they are
open to the idea. They recognize that, they say the
importance of clear standards and accountability, and regarding that proposal
say it could potentially work. That is, having the prime
minister in that case Chris Hopkins been able to discipline

(05:05):
the ministers from their own parties. So Hapkins has of
course accused Christoph Luxin of being too soft on ministerial behavior,
while Christopher Luxin is pushed back saying additional full powers
aren't needed and that issues can be managed through direct
engagement with coalition parties.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
Well, isn't it interesting that Tipati Mali and the Greens
are quite open to this. They're quite open to the
idea of handing over some disciplinary disciplining of their party
members to the leader of the major party in the coalition.
That seems kind of odd to me. But the question
we want to talk about today on our eight one

(05:41):
hundred and eighty ten eighty is do you think it's
bad when coalition party members hassle for want a better word,
the are the members of the coalition or pushback or
say in this case quite full on things. You know,
do you think it's bad? Because isn't that just mmp?

(06:02):
And if you want a block so you've got the
right bock on the left block to just be in
line with each other and just say the same things
and never disagree, then why wouldn't we just go back
to first past the post because then then the election
is between blocks right, the left and the right block right,
and then New Zealand first kind of every now and
then decides to go with the side you didn't think
they were going to go to, yep, but it looks

(06:24):
very clearly now going into this election that it is
the left block and the right book right. So isn't
it a positive that you hear from act in New
Zealand first or to Pati Marii and the Greens at
what they think and how they're going to pull that
particular coalition, which direction they're going to go in. So

(06:45):
isn't the sniping and the you know, the bickering, isn't it?
Couldn't you argue that was a positive from it from
the point of view of a voter, and you know,
from the point of view of democracy, unless you unless
you favorite first past the post.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
That's the way I see it, genuinely that I think
coalition parties should be challenging and pushing back and even
using inflammatory language. That's what they got voted in for. Right.
They need to have a point of difference, and as
many of them have said in the past, they have
been a handbrake or they've been there to stop stupid
decisions from the main party. If there's something that pops
up as a policy and they don't like it, even

(07:23):
if it gets across the line, and even if I
don't like the way that they're pushing back on it,
I still think it's important that they stand up and
say no, we hate it.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
Yeah. Well, you take ACT for example, right, would they
would have wanted more cuts for the government. They would
have wanted the government to go a lot harder on
certain things if that had their way. Yeah, but that's
clear that if you vote for Act, you're voting for
National repulled that way, the coalition to be pulled that way,
which is more than likely I'm going to be led

(07:52):
by National. Yeah, so I'm not sure. I'm not sure
if you want the leader of the majority party to
be disciplineating across party parties, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
It's a lot of extra power. But what do you say?
I had one hundred eighty ten eighty. So do you
think it is a bad look when coalition parties criticize
each other? Or is it important in an MMP environment?
Tell us your thoughts.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
Yeah, I mean, are you less likely to vote for
the general block that you want to vote for because
they're sniping at each other? Or do you see it
as just this is what they all agree with and
I think they can get together on seventy five percent
of it.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah, let's get into it. I had one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is that number? It is fourteen past one.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
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Speaker 2 (08:44):
News talks edb so. Christopher Hipkins rather has suggested future
coalition agreements explicitly give the Prime Minister the powdered discipline
ministers from other parties. But the question we've put for
you is does sniping between coalition partners put you off
the party? Or do you think it is important in
an MMP environment? I eight one hundred eighty ten eighty
is that number in nine two nine two is the

(09:06):
text number. Plenty of texts coming through through this one
says yet a guys, the Left of nothing to lose
by saying the main party should be able to discipline
others when the Left ideologically opposed to discipline or consequences anyway.
So they know nothing would come out of it if
they were in power, if Labor go into coalition with
New Zealand. First, you really think Winston would allow Hipkins

(09:27):
to tell his MPs.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
Off or sack them. I don't think so. It's treasure. Yeah,
although it wasn't it interesting when we're talking the other
day about the oil and Gas band and Shane Jones
was right there but didn't say anything at that point,
did they?

Speaker 2 (09:41):
That's right? Yep, he held his tongue then. Yeah, so
what do you say, Oh, one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number? Mark your thoughts.

Speaker 7 (09:50):
It's just kind of like squabbling, which is a bit
ridiculous because they got they got rules for Parliament and
there's quite a few parties who don't even bother following
those and bring up all sorts of things. I mean,
like the hacker right in the middle of that wasn't
meant to be allowed. But why do you need the

(10:13):
main party to tell other people off? Isn't it the
person in the house which is looking after sorting that
stuff out?

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Well, that's then, I think that's that's within the houses
of Parliament if they if they mentioned something in parliamentary
or outside the cabinet rules, then they can be pulled
up by the Speaker. But we're talking about comments they
make not just in the House, but also outside of
the house as well, when the Speaker, I believe, is
very limited power when it's outside the house.

Speaker 7 (10:46):
Okay, Well, I think they should actually try and talk
together so they have a cohesive, more cohesive government as
a team to for the voters to vote for.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
So do you know, do you not want to see
the differences, because behind closed doors you're going to have
ACT pulling the case of this coalition, you can have
ACT pulling National this way, New Zealand first, pulling National
this way, and ACT in New Zealand first disagreeing on things.
Don't don't you think it's quite good to know that
that's what's happening, whereas this is sort of suggesting that

(11:21):
that's that stuff is better Behind closed doors.

Speaker 7 (11:25):
I yes, I agree with you, but you can do
it in a polite way without coming out with crass
remarks because that really kind of goes well crew away
voting for So.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
When you hear those when you hear those crass marks mark,
do you do you would you move your vote within
the coalition away from the people making the crass marks
or does that make you judge the entire coalition?

Speaker 7 (11:56):
Well, at the moment, it kind of makes makes one
look weak, one looks strong, and you don't. Is it
going to work next time it puts down? I doubt
in my mind. I definitely won't vote Labor because the
amount of times they've course so many problems is unbelievable.

(12:16):
I mean, yeah I could, I could go through different yeah,
different prime ministers, but oh absolutely.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
There's a lot of history when it comes to this
topic on various coalition governments and parties. But do you
think in this instance right, there's the reason why Chris
Hipkins has suggested this is because he's had a crackcare
Christopher Luxon and and the comment from Shane Jones primarily,
but do you think the Prime Minister Christopher Luckson really
should have powers like this to come down and say
Shane Jones, you are out of line. I'm going to

(12:44):
kick you out of cabinet or does that go against
the whole idea of m MP. That is for Winston
Peters to do and if he chooses not to do it,
so be it. Nstonal's got to suck it up.

Speaker 7 (12:54):
Yes, because if if that happens, who's going to stay
in the coalition? You're going to get people being bounced
around in it? And it shows like a it's like
a parent and too two children do who or two
pet well, mother and father looking after one children. If

(13:15):
the parents don't back each other up, you've got a
loose cannon.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (13:19):
But say coming across to me and.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
The MMP, Right, So you do have different parties, right,
and they're all jockeing for position, And we've seen in
the past MMP smaller parties in MMP that have been
quiet and haven't bucked up bucked against the major party
have just disappeared. Right. So from an MMP perspective, isn't
that playing MMP the way it's supposed to be played,
where you you campaign as hard as you can into

(13:44):
the election for your individual party and then you negotiate
the coalition after the election in the strongest possible position
you can get in. And if you're if you're Mark,
you are Mark. But Mark, if you think like you do,
you go?

Speaker 8 (13:57):
That's me?

Speaker 3 (13:58):
Is that you Mart?

Speaker 6 (13:59):
You go?

Speaker 3 (13:59):
I'm not going to work for New Zealand first because
Shane Jones is saying, you know, crazy stuff about neepads,
you see what I mean? And then then that loses
your vote.

Speaker 7 (14:09):
Yes, but would I vote for National again?

Speaker 9 (14:13):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (14:14):
I would? But would I vote for Shane Jones coming
back in? I'm not sure. It's it's just it's just
the way they're they're doing it. It's like children rather
than adults. That's what's coming across to me. And I'm going,
why not work together? M If there's a few cock
ups happening, why not work together? And they also in

(14:36):
the background, you got the what do you call them?
This servants to the whole country as such? I call
them one for a better word.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
The public service and the public.

Speaker 7 (14:50):
Public, public sector. And they are they're kind of pushing
things around. They may I believe in labor, so I'll
push it that way for them.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
The yes ministering all over the shop allegedly.

Speaker 7 (15:07):
Yeah, yeah, and you can see, you can, you can
actually see it quite often. Then you go, why are
they there? They're not supported them.

Speaker 10 (15:18):
To be.

Speaker 7 (15:21):
Ah, what did you call it, Stephen Stevens. You know,
then they don't have a vote, they.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
Level they're meant to be impartial. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, but
I think you're yeah, anyway, they don't. There definitely seems
to be some examples of them not being impartial, which
is quite quite sort of shocking. I mean, if you
if you're if you're working for the public sector, and
you're not impartial when you're not elected, then then.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yeah, they are undermining whoever the government of the day is.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
Then because you think you know better than the electorate
that's so highly corrupted.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
Yeah, absolutely, yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
Highly highly corrupt, but definitely happening.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
But but a prime minister is how responsible for for
the The other side of this, right, is that the
prime minister is held responsible for the conduct of the
entire government, right and the coalition.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Right, So that is part of the role.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
So you can kind of see why they would want
to have some kind of control like this because I mean,
because because you know, when you know it is a coalition. Yeah,
so when one of the smaller parties says something, it
does sort of reflect on the Prime Minister. And as
Mark said before, you end up looking weak.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
Yeah, oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty do you agree?
Nine to two ninety two is the text as well.
So do you think it is a bad look for
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inn MMP and integrity for their own party? What do
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back to our discussion about Labor leader Chris Hopkins idea
that the Prime Minister would have control to be able
to discipline ministers from other parties. So do you think
the sniping between coalition partners is good for the coalition
government or do you think it is a bad? Look
what do you reckon?

Speaker 3 (19:26):
Great show as usual, guys. The bickering is only due
to the election coming up and wanting to show individual differences.
For three years, the coalition has been on the same
page and unified on the big issues. Yeah, I mean yeah,
as we keep sort of saying, don't we that you know,
the parties have to differentiate themselves or us. Why don't

(19:47):
we just go back to first part of the post.
You know, ye, if they're not different at all, then
what's the point of MMP?

Speaker 2 (19:53):
Yeah, good point. This one says sniping between coalition partners
in New Zealand is pathetic as it gets personal in
the absence of any real policy changes or intention of
implementing them. The audience knows it's all theater.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
Yeah, And if you know, you can have different standards
within your parties, different brand values. Right, So maybe in
New Zealand, first the butter chicken comment on the in
the knee pads comment is part of your how you
want to present yourself to the world, right yeah, yeah,
Maybe the National Party doesn't want to present themselves to
the world like that, Maybe the Greens don't want to
present themselves to the world like that. Maybe labored darts,

(20:28):
who knows. But you get to decide how you present
yourself to the world, right, It's right.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Some people like straight shooters, some people prefer a more
diplomatic response to it and what they call crassness. But
there is you know, horses for courses. But at the
end of the day, in New Zealand first, and Shane
Jones knew what he was doing, and the wider point
was that they weren't happy with that trade deal with He.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
Didn't accidentally say it. No, if you listen to the audio,
have we got that audio? This is not this hasn't
slipped out. This isn't a gaff. This is a planned comment.

Speaker 6 (20:53):
The next time you go to a nationalist relly to
receive a foreign leader, take off your knee pads.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
It's not an accident. No, it was a gag.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Do you think he had a few beers before that?
There was a little a few lists I reckon through there.
Can we hear it one more time?

Speaker 6 (21:13):
The next time you go to an s nationalist relly
to receive a foreign leader, take off your kneepads.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
I'm not really willing to run a audio breathalyzer on
national radio. I read it.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
It's fair fair. I think that's why.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
I think you can't cut clay.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
But taking your calls on that, I eight one hundred
and eighty ten eighty. So what do you say? Do
you think sniping between coalitions and partners is a bad
look for whatever government does that? Or do you think
it is important that a party gets to be able
to say and criticize whatever they want.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
If you're listening yesterday, you have remembered a long phone
call from a caller called Matthew about the data centers.
He's texted and you guys have no standing talking about
kneepads when you're wearing yours out servicing various corporate interests.
Top job yesterday on behalf of data center and industry
by the way.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Right, So that was Matthew that said we're manipulating text
phone calls. So not only did we give him seven
minutes plus yesterday and let him go, And I don't
know if he got his point across, but the Matthew,
we've read your text about the kneepads and corporate interests.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
I would say that no one's voting for Tyler or I.

Speaker 8 (22:21):
No.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
Oh, they're voting with their ears.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Yea, I suppose they are. Yeah, in a way. All right, Matthew,
nice to hear from your mates. Keep those seats coming through.
On nine two, nine to two, we've got the headlines
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Charlie and he reckons. Sometimes people politicians push it too far.
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Speaker 2 (23:50):
Thank you very much, Ray Lean. So we're talking about
an idea from Labor leader Chris Hipkins. He wants future
coalition agreements to explicitly give the Prime minister the power
to discipline ministers from other parties. It seems the Green
Party and to Party Maori are very open to the idea.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
Yeah. Well, the vendor diagram in the six is the
vendor diagram of people Chris hi Can said he would
fire compared to the people actually fired as basically two
separate circles. This as Texter. So this is what Chris
hip consaid. Chris Fluxeon's been weak when it comes to
minister or conduct for the entire time he's been in
Prime minister, and he said that he would he he's

(24:27):
made it clear that if he had been Prime minister,
he would have he would have sacked Jones. The Labor
leaders who said he would have sacked Jones had he
been Prime minister, and argued that the Cabinet man Manual
the rules by which ministers had to buy it and
made it clear Jones hadn't met the standard set for
ministers and criticized Luxeon's response. Would he though, because they

(24:47):
haven't even ruled out so he said he would have
sacked Shane Jones. But then Labor Party haven't even ruled
out working with New Zealand first. No, I mean New
Zealand first have ruled out working with Labor, that's right,
But Labor has not worked out ruled out working with
New Zealand first. So what does that mean? You're saying
you would have fired him? But if you then ask him,
will you rule out working with him? Go, I know,

(25:08):
we'll wait to l after the election.

Speaker 8 (25:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Yeah, They're very convenient, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
So does that convince you that he would have fired him?

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Yeah? Well there's another example here. So this is in
twenty twenty five when Tapati Mali MP Takuta Ferris you
may remember this, posted criticism of non multi volunteers campaigning
in a Maldi electorate. Those volunteers were Indian and Tarkuta
Ferris came out in that video saying they've got no
part to play and being involved in this campaign. They're
not Malori and they shouldn't be there. So Willie Jackson

(25:37):
of all people came out and said that was clearly racist.
Chris Hipkins refused to say that. He didn't say it
was racist. His words were, it was not helpful. Ah,
So does that sound like a man that was ready
if he had this power to say, Takuta Ferris, you
went too far, you sacked get out of my cabinet.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
It was pretty weak language then, and he got a
lot of criticism Chris Hipkins for not coming down stronger
on that sort of video.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
Well, it's interesting, isn't it, Because Tipati Marti seemed to
be seem to like the idea of signing up to
something that gives Chris Hipkins, if he's the Prome Minister
of the power to you know, discipline members of their party.
To Pati Mari has said that Luxon has been muzzled
by the power of other parties and he had no
control over the coalition partners he had.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
Do you think Rawiddy why t T would listen to
Christopher Hipkins if he was Prime minister and rahwod he's
a very colorful character. But if he stepped out of
line according to the Cabinet manual and Chris Hipkins. Do
you really think he'd go quietly? Same with Chloe Swarbrock.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
Wow, he doesn't seem to be anti it, he said.
If there are breaches, clear breaches. The manual is pretty
clear about what you can and can't do, and you'll
have to deal with those pretty quickly. I can sympathize
with Chris Hipkins in regards to wanting to ensure that
he has a cabinet he can trust and that New
Zealand has a government that they can trust. So I
want to I practicality. If t Pati Maari said something

(26:56):
or a member of the party said something and Chris
Hipkins decided to discipline them in a coalition, I wonder
how that would go.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
Yeah, taking new calls on that O one hundred and
eighty ten eighty And also do you think it is
a bad look coalition? He's criticizing each other? Nineteen nine
is the text number?

Speaker 8 (27:12):
Can I Charlie yet Afternoon Voice? They're good program?

Speaker 9 (27:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (27:17):
I agree with your statement that if individual parties can't
make their own view points, we're only going to end
up with left bringing a lot there right wing and
we may as well have to fasten the post. What
absolutely barsses me off is when things happen like Winston
Peters releasing budget information ahead of time. I think that's
totally unprincipled. And you know, in my opinion, there's no

(27:41):
New Zealand First Party. It's just Winston First. He does
whatever he has to you to keep himself in the news,
and I just find it very unprincipled in New Zealand politics.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
Well, are hearing a lot of Shane Jones at the moment, though, Charlie,
I mean the instigator of this whole story is Shane Jones,
knee pads comments and has but of chicken comments.

Speaker 8 (28:01):
Yeah, well, I think you might be right there. It
may be a breathalyzer could have helped Oudea. But yeah,
we certainly are.

Speaker 12 (28:09):
But all.

Speaker 8 (28:11):
If they can, they can have their differences, but not
personal attack. And if we didn't, if they didn't have
individual policies that they want to stand on, well we wouldn't.
We only have a two party government.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
So yeah, but I mean, if people, if people are
going to be honest, people are gonna be honest about this.
The party is going to be honest about it. New
Zealand FIST can do whatever they want because if you
if you want to be in government again, then you're
going to need New Zealand First. Pretty much, both sides,
both blocks. Even though New Zealand First have ruled out
working with Labor, but I mean, how far would New
Zealand First have to push Christopher Luxe's before he says

(28:49):
we will not work with New Zealand First because that
would be the same thing as going we are giving
up on being the next government leading the next government exactly.

Speaker 8 (28:58):
I know that's the problem of the whole system. I
didn't look at those for m MP, but I'm sure
I didn't. And you know, this is a situation we're
in and I don't know how we can get a
better system because we end up with one person dictating
to the previous election. To want your colleague Jamie McKay

(29:23):
put to Winston the other day that he was the
one that had just ender a Learner dour An elected,
and he refuted that, saying that John Key and Bill
English had said they would not work with him, Having
said that it took him twenty eight days from election
days to be in front of TV every night have
the whole country watching him before he made up his

(29:46):
mind to go with the party he was telling Jamie
mckaie was the only one he could go with.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
Yeah, well it means there's always definitions and it wouldn't
wouldn't work with them, wouldn't give him what he wanted
to work with them. Would probably be a more accurate
way of putting it, wouldn't it, Charlie.

Speaker 8 (30:01):
Yeah, possibly, yeah, you know, Yeah, so.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
You think so that the one problem with first past
the Post or you know, is that you'd have all
these elements of the party. So probably everyone that's in
the coalition now would just be in the National Party,
but they would be at different ends of the National Party,
more fiscally conservative, more socially whatever. But you just wouldn't
really know because they'd be shut down, so you wouldn't

(30:27):
know what factions are operating. But in the coalition, you
know that actors pulling National this way because of the
statements they make. You know, New Zealand First is pulling
them that way by the statements they make. So in
a way, does MMP kind of there's more transparency in
it in that regard, Charlie.

Speaker 8 (30:47):
Oh More, hoping more transparency was more open but within
the party, the party leader. If there were guys within
the party who had different points of view, he would
have to assess all those and that would come out
as an end result, which much the same as it
is now. You wouldn't have all the squadning that's going
on over public squadning. But yeah, anyway, they are my thoughts. Guy,

(31:10):
I know you've got plenty of other people lined up
on the progress.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
Thank you for your call, Charlie.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Yeah, could on your Charlie, Matt.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
Why do you keep getting Luckson's name wrong? Have I
been saying Luxin's name wrong?

Speaker 2 (31:19):
I didn't hear that. Well, just calling them Luckxon is
that what they say? They get really annoyed when you
just use their last names.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
Well, there's two Christophers, so hopefully I wasn't getting Hipkins
and Luckson mixed up.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
No, I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
Yeah, No, I mean I didn't say the Aza than
very well, who does though, you be honest or ASTs?
I did say Lutian correctly. You know that one the
about Holf. I'll work on that in the future, Okay, Yeah,
could work right.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
of course that do you think it is? A bad
look coalition party members criticizing each other in a government
or do you think that is part and parcel of
challenging challenging each other and having integrity? What do you say?
It is a quarter to.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
Two Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on Oh
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heathen Taylor
Adams Afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Thirteen to two. Chris Hopkins once the power as Prime
Minister to be able to discipline ministers from other parties.
What do you say and do you think it is
a bad look coalition party members criticizing other parties in
a coalition government? Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number two? Cool? And nineteen nine to If
you want to send a text.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams, you are smutty boys and
it's merely your dirty minds going to overdrive. That interpreted
Jones comments the way you did. My interpretation is that
he meant being subservient and getting down on your knees
to your master chs Keith. We haven't said anything about
our interpretation of those comments.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
There was no analysis, so you have.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
Interpreted that we're smutty boys, and therefore we would have
interpreted those comments in that way. But I don't know
about you, Tyler, but I have not I have not
made any any comments on how I've interpreted those those
those comments.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
You haven't and I've an analyzed those comments either. We
played the audio a couple of times so people could
hear it, but there was no interpretation on what he
was meaning there.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
But whether you take these smutty interpreter the tyler.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Does, I am a smutty boy sometimes, I know.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
If you whether you take the smutty interpretation or that
the Prime Minister is being subservient and getting down on
his knees to to you know, his master. Either way,
the conversation is exactly the same, isn't it. Like one's
a little bit ruder and the other one. But the
intention is absolutely sniping at a member of your coalition, right.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
Both offensive? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, so Keith you smutty boy. Yeah,
thank you very much for your text, but that says
more about you than us.

Speaker 5 (33:43):
Get a Greg Yeah, yeay, gouys as again you're doing breakshow?

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Oh thanks mate, you're.

Speaker 5 (33:51):
Name nailing the issues. Yeah, I was thinking like a
seven point five percent chance of bringing over the limit.
There of that conversation, I'm gonna have to.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
Go see the lawyers after this.

Speaker 5 (34:07):
Yeah, put my own so they can charge me.

Speaker 8 (34:12):
Mate.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
Until and so, so, what do you reckon about the snipe?
And do you reckon it's a bad luck?

Speaker 5 (34:18):
I think it's an incredibly bad luck. New Zealand First
is obviously the main protagonist here, Winston. If you had
enough of a following, you would have your own political
party that would get in without the need for National.
So just sit.

Speaker 13 (34:36):
Quietly and you know you actually.

Speaker 5 (34:40):
You need another party to credit a coalition with as
greater than you are. So I really don't understand all noise.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
It's well my understanding is what my understanding is this
that New Zealand First wants to get as many votes
as they can so they can extract as many concessions
from National in coalition discussions. So the bigger the percentage
they take in and the more votes they take off
National by running National down as long as the coalition

(35:12):
gets in, then New Zealand First will have more power
in that coalition.

Speaker 5 (35:16):
Great, yeah totally. I mean that's obviously what he's doing.
But I don't think it's a great look. I mean
really like, you guys are a coalition that's supposed to
be pretty much like a brotherhood. You're working together to
achieve the results that you want as a group. New

(35:38):
Zealand first, to me have just seemed to be running
rampant on attacking National. It's hard to believe that they're
in the same coalition, right, It's.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
Well, I mean, you've got they've worked together pretty well,
you've got to say, up until election season.

Speaker 5 (35:57):
Yeah, but isn't that really the issue though? That's what
I look at is Okay, so so am I going
to vote for you guys, because you're now it's election
time and you're just a chaos and bloody infusion and
obviously nobody's on the same page and it's just chaos,

(36:17):
which makes them look incredibly weak. It's like a yeah,
I do, I think that makes this coalition look very weak.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
Only the other problem that can happen, Craig is that
you when National was very, very popular and they only
had ACT as a potential coalition partner, and they were
concerned that ACT weren't going to get in, and that's
you know what ended up in the EPSOM deal and such.
So you want as a coalition if you're National you
definitely want a couple of parties getting over five percent,
don't you. I mean, ideally you want to have You

(36:48):
probably want New Zealand First to be a bit lower
and Act to be a bit lower. But you need,
you do need coalition partners these days to be able
to form a government.

Speaker 5 (36:56):
You know, I take agree with that, like it's important
that these are strong coalition partners, but using National po
target practice forget that. Hang on a minute, why aren't
you attacking the left and making muns meat out of
them with these conversations rather than attacking the guys that

(37:17):
you're actually put in partnership with.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
Yes, sorry, Craig, we're gonna go to an air break.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
I guess part of that would be that you know,
New Zealand First has ruled out labor, so they're actually
trying to get votes. No, No, I mean they're trying
to get votes wherever they can, right.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
That's right. A National Party are doing the same. And
I'll mention a particular incident that we haven't mentioned yet
from Simmy and Brown, but taking your takes on nine
two nine two, it is seven to two.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams
Afternoons news Talks.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Be it is four to two. So we've been talking
about sniping from coalition partner parties and partners against each other.
Is at a bad look and a lot has focused
on New Zealand first and what Shane Jones and once
the Peters have had to say. But of course they're
not the only one. Simmyon Brown during the National campaign
Lord said that the two minor parties in the coalition

(38:12):
we're effectively children, with National acting as the parents to
keep the peace. He said, it didn't break the household,
but it is a distraction. We need adults, not children.
So that is a bit of a snipe against your
so called coalition partners.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
What about what is Peter's Simon Brown booster set comments
the other day? If we han't in board.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Those, that's all right.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
It's the lection. Yeah, so coalition parties are scrapping for votes.
I think it's a good thing when you can see
what members of a coalition actually think themselves and which
way they're going to pull a potential government so I
say snipe away.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
Yeah, nicely said right, coming up after two a clock.
Do you think TikTok is a net benefit for New Zealands.
We'll tell you more about that very very shortly. Newsport
on whether or it's the way you're listening to Matt
eat and Tyler Adams on your Tuesday afternoon. Thanks for
giving us a listen. Stay right here, we'll be back
in a few moments.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
Very sCOD sun.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
Say big stories, the bag issue us, the big trends
and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons
news Talk said the.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
Welcome back into the show. Hope you're having a great
Tuesday afternoon, and thanks very much for giving us a listen.
So let's get into this. A quite astonishing reports announced
this morning and that was commissioned by TikTok and carried
out by Informetrics, claims that the platform that is TikTok
contributed about one point two billion to New Zealand's economy

(39:36):
last year, supported nearly nine seven hundred jobs, and helped
hundreds of thousands of businesses boost sales. But the analysis
has raised a lot of questions about how reliable those
figures are, noting the research was funded by TikTok itself
and relies heavily on surveys and modeling. Yeah, so we to.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
Believe in this. I guess the idea of this report
coming out into the public is that TikTok is a
net good for New Zealand and is something that should
be celebrated. I'm not sure about that. I'm not sure
if it wasn't here words, the country be better or
worse off. I mean, when it comes to this number,

(40:18):
the one point two billion, it's forgetting the substitution effect,
doesn't it's not picking that up because that money would
just be spent somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
So to say that it's a one point two billion
dollars that TikTok says it's worth one point two billion
dollars to New Zealand, they would just be spent somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
Yeah, that's not new economic growth. No, that growth would
have happened regardless.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
Yeah, that's right. Well, well, it may have been less,
it may have been more depending on the quality of
where that money was spent. Who knows, but it could
be spent somewhere else. Yes, it doesn't have to be
spent on TikTok. There's a lot of other options for advertising.
And also that one point two billion figure doesn't take
into account that the profits go sure so because if

(41:03):
you actually look at the numbers, and you know you
can't get at the actual numbers from tektok, but there
is only four hundred and thirty four million in the
estimate that is direct spending, right, yes, so the rest
is multipliers. So if you're willing to use multipliers on
the four hundred and thirty four million, then surely we
should be able to take detractors right from it. So

(41:24):
tech talk is based in Singapore because they have lowered
tax rates over their company text rate, so that money
their profits go over short So surely that should be
allowed to be used against the multiplier, right, you'd think,
So what about the damage TikTok's doing to attention span?
Should we bring that in and they can talk about
productivity but across the country. So maybe you're saying it's
worth one point two billion dollars, what is you know

(41:47):
the studies on people watching these short form videos, what
it's doing to people's attention span and ability to be
productive in their company. So maybe you're advertising on TikTok,
that's great, you are getting customers potentially, but equally, people
across the countries attention spans are being raised such that

(42:09):
the productivity the country is lywering, so there's less money
in the system.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
Doom scrowling for hours at a time on their couch
instead of instead of walking down main street and buying
some products.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
Before we even bring in the mental health problems with
TikTok and the massive division that it's producing more than
any other more than any other social media platform at
the moment, I would say it is creating division in
our country with people just sitting in their cars blasting
out the stupidest political point they possibly can and people

(42:39):
believing it without showing both sides of it because it's nature.
Even though you can go longer on TikTok now, but
because of its nature, it's short form videos, so it's
never a sensible debate. Someone just throws something out controversial
for to get some play. That will get a lot
of views and it will separate divide a company. So
if you're going to do the multiplier on the four
hundred and thirty four million let's factor in the division,

(43:02):
because the divided country is less prosperous.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
Yeah, prosperous. Right, open up the books and do it all.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
So let's talk about it. One hundred and eighteen eighty.
So do you think that the value to New Zealand
of TikTok is one point two billion dollars? What do
you think we could do without it?

Speaker 2 (43:19):
This is going to be a great chat. Oh, one
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call? Do
you think TikTok in New Zealand is a net benefit overall?
Do you believe those numbers that were mentioned in that
survey that came out this morning? Tell us nine two,
nine to two is the text number as well. It
is eleven past two.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
Your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons call, Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty us talk said be.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
Thirteen past two. So pretty astonishing. Report from respected economic
consultancy Informetrics this morning stated that TikTok had contributed and
estimated nine thy seven hundred jobs and one point two
billion to our economy in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
Yeah, So the assertion is that TikTok is a net
good to New Zealand. That's really what they're doing, throwing
it out there to try and get you to advertise
on TikTok and saying that it's a positive. Yeah, I'm
not so sure. I'm not so sure. I'm also not
so sure on these these these numbers either, because there
when you actually dig into them. So the article is

(44:25):
saying a thirty percent sale, twenty to thirty percent sales
uplift that's claimed by businesses by marketing there. But that
is a self reporting.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
Survey, that's right.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
And famously, when people report about the uplift they get
from advertising on social media, they they think it's going
better than it is, just because they've spent the money,
so they want to believe that it goes better. So
there's just seems so many assumptions on here around this
this these positive figures.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
When that's twenty to thirty percent sales boosts. So it
was a survey, but it was quite a small sample
of those business owners self reporting the fact that TikTok
had boosted their sales by that number. So then to
extrapolate that out to what they say, three hundred and
nine thousand businesses around New Zealand have benefited from use
of the platform. Yeah seems dubious.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
Yeah and so, and a lot of the stuff is
based around economic activity, but that doesn't mean that it's valued,
has been that any value has been added to our
economy because that consumer spending, I mean, it's not creating it,
it's reallocating it, right, Yeah, So someone might have spent
that money and you don't know, Like so someone at
the very end, maybe you've got the TikTok, but you

(45:36):
don't know what other advertising you've done, what good will
your company has, whatever reason is, you've just decided to
put your advertising in that particular spot, right, that's right, So,
but that could be anywhere, and maybe your product's good.
Maybe you've done a lot of good will and when
people see that, they already know who you are from
other advertising you've done or whatever. The idea that you

(45:58):
can allocate that to TikTok and say that it does
one point two billion, it's worth one point two billions
in New Zealand. I think if it disappeared, then personally,
I think the New Zealand will be a bit of place.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
Feels a little bit like Stola Vela here, you know,
that they're taking credit for a lot of businesses doing
pretty well with or without the use of TikTok. But
what do you say, is TikTok a net benefit for
this country? Overall? Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number of nine two nine two is a text.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
This text is rubbish. That app has ruined one of
my three teens. It's toxic and should be banned. The
toll on mental health far outweighs any so called economic benefit. Yeah,
so if you're going to make these really really generous
assumptions and multipliers on the four hundred and thirty four
million dollars of direct spending, then we've got As I

(46:48):
said before, we need to be able to put the
multipliers in it and talk about that perhaps ruined one
of my three teens, it's toxic and should be banned.
So maybe we have You know, we make these assumptions
that are negative to tek took.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
This annoys me, it does annoy you, and it annoys
a lot of people going by the text machine. I
eight hundred eighty ten eighty If you use TikTok, do
you think it is a net benefit? So this is
just my own personal situation but that is the one
app that I deleted off my phone. Do you use TikTok.
You're not on TikTok.

Speaker 6 (47:17):
No.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
I got rid of it because it's it's just look.
You can get longer film videos there. But you just
don't need TikTok in your life. You don't need reels
in your life. You know, you don't need YouTube shorts.
That's that's not good. I mean, I've talked to you
about this, tyler. I've decided to go for really really hard,

(47:40):
long form content. That sounds terrible. Bag your pardon, but
I just want to fight that attention span thing because
I don't want to just hand over my attention span
to these evil corporations and you know, evil platforms like
TikTok and just go for their goal so they can
suck up advertising money just getting people addicted, flicking through
and slowly raising their brains. I mean, look at the

(48:02):
science on it, what it does to your attention span
and whatever. So that's where I'm reading Dostryevski at the moment.
I read The Brothers Kramezov twice in a row, just
to challenge the brain, just to try and do hard things.
And then I've read read Crime and Punishment, and I'm
going through Crime and Punishment for the second time because
I just thought, you know, I'm not going to be
dragged down this mind of araising junk contents that dopamine

(48:26):
instant dopamine hits for no effort, and the horrific political
polarization from TikTok just so they can sell a few
ads and then claim that they're doing it good for
the country. I don't want to be involved in that.
So I'm trying to train my brain on very very,
very difficult content. I saw this fantastic Onion post and
it says man Binge watches feature film, and.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
What it was really pointing out great headline.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
What it's really pointing out is that these these platforms
have lowered our attentions been such that a feature film
seems too long for some people to watch now, let
alone trying to read a book.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Yeah. But you couldn't say the same of YouTube, though, right,
because YouTube is as much that I mean, can you
even call it social media? But at least YouTuber is
a platform does provide hearty, in depth content from historians,
documentary makers, commentary. At least that long form exists on
YouTube that doesn't certainly not on TikTok, but also Instagram.

(49:20):
You know, I'm looking at Instagram now thinking is that
just brain rot. I'll get rid of that. I don't
know if that's a net good for me as a
human being, and TikTok certainly isn't. That's why I deleted
a long time ago. Tried it. Very addictive. Yeah, stupid
dance videos that I got hooked on and then said
sea latter so and that's fine.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
We may slowly, as a bunch of people are texting
and tiktoxic. We may allow, we may accept that and
we and we see it as a problem when we're
trying to deal with it. But then when you come
out and claim that you're that you're you're worth one
point two billion to New Zealand and don't take into
all those factors, it's it's aggravating for me now. But
what do you think eighteen eighty nine two nine two

(50:00):
is a text let's have a chat to being ghetto mates.
You get it?

Speaker 8 (50:04):
Guys.

Speaker 13 (50:05):
Look, I can't be too specific because I haven't got
a commission from the boss to talk about it. But
the company I work for, the construction company I work
for does a lot of advertising through Facebook and TikTok,
different reels and stuff. People click on them, redirects into
our website and stuff.

Speaker 11 (50:20):
And.

Speaker 13 (50:22):
From what I understand, we get a couple of million
dollars worth of new contracts through that per year. So
it looks in business sense when it comes to advertising,
and you know, people click on something and they go, wow,
I want to look at more, goes to the website,
get to choose different stuff. We've got a lot of
AI tools on there. And yeah, we get a lot

(50:43):
of business from it.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
So that's from but you're saying that is from Meta
and TikTok.

Speaker 13 (50:48):
Yeah, yeah, that's from both. So we started the boss
started doing reels and putting it up and you know
people go on Instagram, yeah, and also on TikTok shure
videos people click on them and then read it to
the website and stuff. And yeah, we're surprising how the
inquiries we're getting just from having those advertisements.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
Yeah. But I guess the point on that is, so
for TikTok to claim it's contributed one point two billion,
that is assuming that you couldn't use somewhere else. So well,
if TikTok wasn't there, then you just move it somewhere else, right,
and then and then you may or may not get
their business at the substitution factor.

Speaker 13 (51:31):
Even the trouble is it is there and that's what
people are using, and that's what we're using. It's working
and so so you could argue all day long year
if it wasn't there, people would go elsewhere or whatever.
But it's working for us, and.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
Yeah, but that's why we're gradually the boss. But that's
what exactly what we're arguing. Then that that for a
company to complain claim it's doing good for a country
and adding all these multipliers on. So it's four hundred
and thirty four is the is the direct spending to
businesses from TikTok, and then they've added some multipliers on

(52:04):
around other other good effects that it claims from that.
Then or we're arguing is if you add that, then
surely we should be added. They should be adding onto
those figures the damage that it's doing to people as well,
and and taking to look out the substitution factor of
it that you're the business that you work for. Right,
if it's selling, it's probably got a good product. So

(52:25):
wherever it's advertised, then there would be business. So you
as TikTok can't claim all the success from that because
it's it's just a potential. It's a potential way that
you can advertise. You see what I'm saying That it's
that it's disingenuous figures that it's that that that it's
up to it completely that that that's that that that
success has been that you're experiencing in your business being Yeah, well.

Speaker 13 (52:48):
Like it's on my business, I might just work there.
But like our post a couple of jobs this year,
I've been around people's houses, posts and reno jobs and
they didn't even know where existed until they've seen us
on TikTok and and went through it. So I would
argue that, yeah, without TikTok, we definitely wouldn't have got
their money and okay not even run.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
So the point is you've got advertise where people are, right,
So people are there, right.

Speaker 13 (53:16):
Yeah, yeah, people are on TikTok and as we advertise
at the moment. So yeah, yeah, Okay, these other demo
said it's done in it, but I'd argue it's actually
keeping some people and work because we've got some people
that we probably wouldn't have kept on if the business
wasn't doing so well.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
But then again, does it worry at all that that
that the that they're based out of Singapore, so you're
booking those ads through Singapore, so there's no tax being paid.

Speaker 13 (53:44):
Yeah, but you know the call center of the banks
based out of the Philippines, you know, so you we
could argue that all day long.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
So different, isn't it, Because you're not booking when you
go to a call center, that's you're not booking.

Speaker 13 (53:55):
You know.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
If you book an ad with TikTok that goes to
a Singaporean company, so that money leaves the New Zealand
system completely.

Speaker 13 (54:02):
Well, no, it's not because it's like, okay, yeah, we
are spending money with them for advertising, but we're also
we're generating a lot more than what we're spending with them,
you know, otherwise doing it.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
Oh yeah, no, I see what it's saying. But and
I agree with that, and that's fine, But I'm saying,
does it worry you at all? Like, would you prefer
it if if TikTok had offices in New Zealand and
they paid tax in New Zealand?

Speaker 13 (54:26):
Well, that'd be great, but it's you know, they do
they're doing what's best for their business model, just like
we're doing what's best for ours, and you know, there's
only so much word of mouth can do these days.
They're still a majority of our business is word of mouth,
but it's starting to you know, the Internet is starting
to catch up to that. And you advertise on what

(54:48):
platforms people use, and if people are using it, that's
where you advertise.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
Yeah, so, I mean, I don't think we're I don't
think we're we're sort of arguing different things though, so
we would you. I'm saying that it's a big claim
from TikTok that they're doing one point two billion basically
have good for New Zealand, So do you think that
it's worth taking into it? And and I'm never going
to judge anyone from for advertising whatever works for their business. Absolutely,
you've got to keep people employed. I mean, it's not

(55:14):
the company that you work for keeps you employed.

Speaker 8 (55:15):
Whatever.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
But but do you think if you're going to make
those claims that there is also there should be counterclaims
of the damage it does as well. Well?

Speaker 13 (55:25):
If you want to go down the workers and path,
Absolutely but.

Speaker 3 (55:28):
It'll be the opposite of work. It'll be the opposite
of work what I'm saying.

Speaker 13 (55:31):
So yeah, look, look, look, okay, you could argue it
damages people. I've used TikTok for years. I love it.
I wouldn't stop using it. My kids use it. My
kids do better at school than most kids. So yeah,
you know, I think it all comes down to parentalibility.
If you're going to argue kids here.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
So how long how long would you allow your kids
to be on TikTok at any given time being?

Speaker 13 (55:53):
Would you mean social media or an hour a day?

Speaker 3 (55:55):
Yeah, that means you're a good parent, like if you
if you can, if you can keep your kids to
an hour on those that's probably not doing any more
damage than them just watching a lot of TV. But
there's a lot of kids that are massively addicted more
than your kids.

Speaker 13 (56:10):
Yeah, but I don't see how that's my company advertising
on TikTok's problem, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
Well, but when no one's saying that it's the problem,
we're saying that TikTok's claims that they're doing this great
good for New Zealand, you have to there has to
be tempered with any damage that they're doing as well.
If they're going to claim and make multipliers from surveys
that they commissioned that they're doing this good, then surely
as a country we should look at them and going okay, well,

(56:37):
let's factor in any damage, what costs there, what they're
costing the country as well.

Speaker 13 (56:42):
If there's how you want to look at it, then
let's say you want to look at it. You know,
I would argue, hey, we all use power. We will
pay for the power, the powers burning goal that comes
in from Indonesia, you know, for everything.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
I wouldn't support that either. I would I would prefer
we didn't bring coal in from Indonesia.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
Lots of good coal here.

Speaker 14 (56:59):
M hm.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
Anyway, I think if you call Ben, I understand what
you're saying, but I think we're kind of talking across
each other.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
Yeah, yeah, I think there was a different question. Now
the question we've got views. Do you think is a
net benefit to this country when they're promoting itself through
this survey that they were a net good or a
boost to the local economy of one point two billion dollars?
Do you buy that or do you think more needs
to be weighed up? Do you think it's a bit
more nuanced than that when it comes to a platform
like tiktoks, tell us I one hundred eighty ten a's

(57:26):
at number nine two nine two is the.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
Text, the big stories, the big issues, the big trends
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Speaker 2 (57:47):
News TALKSB. It is twenty nine past two, so we're
talking about this survey released this morning, funded by TikTok
and carried out by Infometrics. Now Infometrics chief executive and
chief economist Brad Olsen, he was on with Mike Hoskin
this morning on this very report. Here's a little bit
of that interview.

Speaker 14 (58:06):
Quite surprised in a sense to see that half of
businesses in New Zealand reckon they're using TikTok in some way,
shape or form. But also when we dug into those numbers,
things became a little bit easier to understand given that
about fifteen percent of businesses who use it say they
don't actually do anything paid on it. They're not necessarily
doing any marketing, but the posting organic videos, which from

(58:26):
a marketing perspective is quite a low cost effective way
to get out to a whole bunch.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
Just because you do something weird online, how do you
prove that that then generates some bottom line action?

Speaker 13 (58:35):
Yep, no, no fair question.

Speaker 14 (58:37):
So we also asked users, what do you look at
when you're on TikTok, what sort of spending decisions might
you make after that? And what sort of money are
we talking about? So we found, for example, that have
to seeing something on TikTok, about twenty five percent of
regular users went on to spend at a restaurant or
a cafe because they'd seen on TikTok.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
And what do you see growth wise? Is this on
a path to the moon, or this is peaking or what?

Speaker 7 (58:59):
We don't know.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
I think it's still growing.

Speaker 14 (59:01):
I mean, having had a look at the numbers, of course,
we know that TikTok users stue younger, but at the
same time, some of the older groups are like forty
five plus is seeing some of the highest growth in
terms of use. The other big one, though, especially because
we talk about the likes of tourism and new Zealand
quite a lot. Is that there's one billion users of
TikTok globally, and let's be clear, New Zealand looks a

(59:21):
whole lot better on screen than if you write something
down and give it a description. And so being able
to access such a large market that really has I think,
got a lot more potential in terms of how people
are going to communicate, how they're going to market. That's
where people are the fact that you know, six hundred
and seventy thousand New Zealanders are making spending decisions based
on what they've seen on TikTok, that does show the
opportunity for the fifty percent of businesses that aren't currently involved.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
Yeah, as the sex says, what company do you know?
I provide negative stats about their own company. It's not
their job. Their job is to bride the propositive side
from their perspective, Steve Yes, and it's our job to
question them. That's the point. So all these headlines were
coming out today. I heard this on Hosking this morning
and I just thought, oh, that's interesting. And then of
course TikTok have organized the survey right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
That's right funded it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
So when that's out there, they put some out there.
They make big claims, then you've our jobs to question them,
right ondred percent, particularly when you don't release a lot
of the elements in the reports that they've done. This
report in various countries around the world, it's always been questioned.
But the number one thing that they've stuck to is
that don't provide all of their costings and all of
their data for the public to go through and analyze

(01:00:28):
to the nth degree because a lot of the claims
are dubious. Yeah, and so if you're going to make
massively positive claims and no one's saying that it doesn't
work as an advertising model, obviously it does. Yeah, other
advertising models work as well, obviously, but if you're going
to make great, big claims about yours, then you know
then they're going to be questioned. Yep.

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So is TikTok and net benefit neck good for New Zealand?
Tell us your thoughts? I eight one hundred and eighty
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Back to Matt Eath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
Thank you very much, Ray Lean. So we're talking about
a report funded by TikTok and released this morning that
claims the platform contributed about one point two billion to
New Zealand's economy last year supported nearly nine thousand, seven
one hundred jobs. Quite rightly, There's a lot of questions
been raised about the assumptions and the surveys conducted in
this particular report. But the question we've got for you
is TikTok a net benefit overall for this country?

Speaker 8 (01:02:43):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
So, as I was saying before, only about four hundred
and thirty four million of the estimate represents direct spending
at businesses. The remainder comes from multiplier effects. So I
just think if they're willing to do that, then we
should be allowed to have whatever the opposite of multifi
dividing effects. So should we be able to divide that
one point two billion by perceived damage it does? Yeah,

(01:03:06):
and also question things the claim that twenty to thirty
percent sail uplift is from is self reported responses from
seven hundred business decision makers, So it's self reported. So
if you're just going to do that, then I can
ask you, tyler would self report? What do you think
about TikTok? Do you think it's been a net good
or bad for you?

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
If I was a business or so, it's been amazing
for me mate, The sales are up thirty percent, but no,
it's self reported. My general feeling is I think it's
a net bad for New Zealand. I don't use it.
I think overall, I think it's nonsense that they say
they've contributed one point two billion dollars to New Zealand's economy,
but then when you look at the overall damage it
does to attention span, to the way that children are operating,
to their learning. No, I don't think it's a net

(01:03:50):
bit fit.

Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
And just because you can show that you put something
on TikTok and it's even if it does better than
another platform, means that TikTok can claim that that doesn't
take into account that those people could have put that
money on another platform and sold that and had got
business from it. Yeah, and maybe it's four percent less,
who knows yeah, but doesn't mean that ticked out can

(01:04:12):
claim that it contributes one point two billion it's worth
one point two billion to the New Zealand economy. I
just think that's a that is an aggravating claim as
far as I'm concerned. But do you agree or not agree?

Speaker 10 (01:04:23):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
I undred eighty ten eighty? Are we being pedantic? Chris?

Speaker 9 (01:04:29):
Oh?

Speaker 15 (01:04:29):
I just called bres like literally, it's just advertising happened.
So if you don't spend the money on TikTok, you'll
spend it somewhere else and you get lacks similar results
because the inch and of people.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
Will be another platform.

Speaker 15 (01:04:45):
It's just another company that sells adds. It's not it's
not different to what you guys are doing. Like a
radio station has ad on that and you promote your
product exactly the same thing. We are listening to the radio,
we're listening to the ads. We get some products that
we listen to. It's exactly the same thing. And I
don't understand how your caller can say that it's it's

(01:05:08):
good for their business. It's contributed one or two million
dollars and their business. Sure it will have contributed to
their business, but that money in the construction industry would
have gone somewhere else, would have gone to a moment,
that builder next door instead of going to that one
builder that is advertising on top. Yeah, so it's just

(01:05:30):
the same.

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
I mean the person. Yeah, when you claim it as
for the economy that one point two billion dollars, you
make a very good point. So these people, if they're
gonna they're in the business potentially. You know, if I
need something done to my house, I'm looking for it
and I'll discover that somewhere. Maybe I'll discover it on TikTok,
maybe I'll google and find it, maybe I'll hear about
it on the radio. Whatever. But the idea that.

Speaker 8 (01:05:52):
That may from a mate or from.

Speaker 3 (01:05:54):
A mate, Yeah, the idea that that has been generated
by TikTok is just a huge claim to make that
that that.

Speaker 15 (01:05:59):
It has gone to that specific business because of TikTok.

Speaker 3 (01:06:03):
Sure, Yeah, exactly, it's the subsolution effect.

Speaker 15 (01:06:06):
Exactly, there's not it's on money that has been generated.
It's just being gone somewhere else. And what has contributed
for it to go somewhere else as a cost that
the business has paid then probably will put on as
a margin on top of their price, and then that
amount of money was actually is actually going to go overseas. Yeah,
so I think and overall it's not bad economy.

Speaker 9 (01:06:31):
Like most social media.

Speaker 15 (01:06:32):
Platforms and most social media platforms now that take our
advertising dollars and take it overseas, including Google, including methods.

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
Well, I mean one thing. One thing. You know, you
can have your different views on forms of advertising, but
if you advertise on a radio station, for example, then
that hires people in New Zealand and pays tax in
New Zealand and has its offices in New Zealand as
opposed to s and.

Speaker 15 (01:06:56):
It pays people that actually work and live in New
Zealand and pay taxes in New Zealand. So that's exactly
the point. And as someone that has a small business
that I tried advertising on TikTok when I began my
online business, it was on the platforms that I'm trying
to avoid now because I was not treated very well

(01:07:18):
from a from perspective of say, at the side of
my ass I suddenly saw some thousands off clicks on
my website. They were not genuine, no sales or anything,
and I was like, kind of what's happening here? There
was one, and then next day until the next month
or so, I was getting phone calls from TikTok, oh
we need to train you and now advertising and like

(01:07:40):
almost to a harassing point, and that I have not
come across with the other platforms. So yeah, personally, I'm
just avoiding anvertizing past.

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
Yeah, I mean, it's fine for TikTok to you know,
you know, if people want to advertise on TikTok and
it works for them, that's fine. I'm not questioning that
at all. It might be true. But it's just when
TikTok comes out and makes these claims like we're supposed
to celebrate them, you know, that's when you're not. That's
when you've got that's when you push back. That's when
you've got to push back.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:08:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:08:12):
And even if some of the business kind of like
a small business like a cafe, gets a viral post
and get some extra business, which does happen, it's not
generally because of they paid for the content. It's generally
because they had a good idea that there's something good
that people will watch.

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
That's the other thing.

Speaker 11 (01:08:28):
Get that.

Speaker 15 (01:08:29):
Yeah, the platforms there, they do contribute because they get
the message out there, but to claim that it's such
a big number.

Speaker 3 (01:08:36):
Yet it's an interesting thing with I don't know, this
isn't quite exactly the same thing. But I remember I
used to be in a band and we're tour around, right,
and you'd go to towns and if your gig would be
sold out, and you'd go, I think, oh, I guess
that's the posters that have sold my gig out. That's great.
But then we did a tour and then we when
we got back, we found all the posters hadn't been

(01:08:58):
sent out. There was a huge pile of them my home,
and the tour had sold out just the same as
the last one, right right, Yeah, And so the posters
have been printed in Auckland, are not sent to all
the venues, so there hadn't been a single post But
we sold just as many tickets as the actually slightly more,
because we just happened to be popular at that time
as a band, and our product was something that people wanted.
So so if the product isn't some of the people wanted,

(01:09:20):
then you can put as many posters as you want
up and no one's going to get right, Yeah, like
you could have a band, no one's heard of, and
you could a slightly different example, but you could paper
the entire country where the band no one's heard of
and no one's going to go.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
Well, the analogy works because you're going to sell your
product regardless. I mean, if the posters did go up
all of this time, you're thinking, man, those posters were
so good. It was only the fact that they didn't
go up when you thought they did was you realized, Actually,
the product it sells itself because there's a market there
for it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
Yeah, and that's just so you're on TikTok, you go,
it's going well, it's great, but it might be it
might be going well in a different in a different
place as well.

Speaker 8 (01:09:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:09:54):
The only thing that I kind of like do acknowledge.
But it's not only all those social media platforms that
they do have democratize advertising for small businesses use. They
can advertise themselves and get some results. They do get results,
but I don't think that the means that they they.

Speaker 3 (01:10:15):
Yeah, and the other thing is you've got to be
really careful with the numbers as well, because a few
years ago, Facebook was rumbled claiming that there were hundreds
of thousands more millennials in the country than there were.
So people were picking these and paying by these demographics
they were going to and the numbers were completely and
utterly wrong, and so they were they were they were

(01:10:36):
giving false results. There's no comeback to that. So what
happened to that was the scandal people when they've exaggerated
by many hundred thousands of people the amount of millennial
age people in this country that was pointed out and
nothing happened.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
That's right, Yeah, yeah, no, SOO speak to them.

Speaker 3 (01:10:55):
I mean that's meta, not not well, I don't think
it was in meta at that point, but and not
TikTok or bite dance. But still it's the same thing.
I mean, how much can you trust these overseas companies
that the stats that you're getting back and that they're
actually delivering it. Thank you for you, Corl Chris exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
I mean, look, in another life I was working with
I was a conduit between the client and social media managers, right,
and this was back in the Facebook days before it
became meta. And maybe some things have changed, but I
don't think that much. But that potential reach. So you'd
start an AD and then it would tell you or
a small business you've got a potential reach of one
hundred thousand people, and so then the client sees that

(01:11:31):
and sees one hundred thousand people are seeing my ad.
But that wasn't true the potential reach. That's how they
got around it. There's now a class action against Meta
and Facebook because of this. So it was complete nonsense.
They inflated those numbers to say your ad is going
to be in front of this many people when that
wasn't really true. But as a small business, are you
going to question that? You look at that and think,
holy moly, there's one hundred thousand people looking at my product,

(01:11:53):
and then you wonder why you're not selling as many
products as you should be. But that is part of
the issue, right, is that these companies they liked to
look good in the general public and particularly for businesses
because they spend dollars with them. But to inflate these numbers,
and as you say, when this comes to light and
there's a class action against metr and Facebook, but do
they really get punished. They can say this bs and

(01:12:16):
then get called out and carry on as usual. So
I'm so sorry we got that wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:12:20):
Yeah, oh absolutely, You try and do it, You try
and work that out, and I've got another. I've got
another issue about these companies because the thing is so
just changed the rules on you. Absolutely, yeah, you know.
It used to be that you had people, you had follows,
right yep, and so you posted something and when to
all your followers and then but now it doesn't. You
have to pay money for it to go for your followers.
This is a meta messet thing, not a TikTok thing.

(01:12:42):
But the rules have just changed now, so it doesn't
matter how many followers you've got. You can have two
one hundred and fifty thousand followers, because that used to
be the metric they wanted you to follow. Well, that's
what people put all the effort into getting these followers.
And now if you want to reach your followers, you
have to pay to reach your followers.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
That's right. Don't like it, they don't care. Yeah, Oh,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
So do you think TikTok as a platform is a
neat benefit for this country? What do you say? Nine
to the text, It's thirteen to three.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
Your home of afternoon talk Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons,
call eight hundred eighty ten eighty US Talk said.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
Be ten to three. Is TikTok a neat benefit for
New Zealand? Some great texts coming through this One says,
get a guys, you could say that crack cocaine is
good for New Zealander. Is the neat benefit for the
economy could be one billion a year in sales and spending.
People are buzzing and loving it. That is effectively what
TikTok are doing.

Speaker 3 (01:13:36):
The repeat business stats on crack cocaine are from Molly,
you know, the the referrals as well.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
Yeah, through the roof up three hundred percent. Yeah, I
mean crack cocaine businesses are the hummin at the moment.

Speaker 3 (01:13:48):
Oh yeah. The stats on meth incredible, incredible for the economy.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
Yeahah. Is it a neat good for New Zealand's yeah, debatable.

Speaker 3 (01:13:54):
I mean there's multipliers in there, absolutely multipliers in there.
You know, there's what the the the myth dealers are
spending you know on cars and ammunitions.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
That's right, yeah stuff yep. So yeah, absolutely much text
going back.

Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
But this text is my mum's home business blew up
on TikTok grew into a business with a dozen staff
and commercial princess net plus. Yeah, congratulations to your mum. Yeah,
this Texas says, can you please transfer the twenty dollars
from this Marina back to my account? Please and thank you.
My favorite text and news twiks you'd be are the
ones that accidentally come through. Yeah, like home Edmund that

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comes through to to.

Speaker 10 (01:14:33):
This.

Speaker 3 (01:14:33):
If this was like this tektok situation, we would count
that text and our stats.

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
Yeah. Yeah, there's another text of the show that's that's
someone who loves the show so much. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:14:41):
Yeah, Whereas we should be honest that a higher than
zero percentage of our texts accidental texts. They are a
gift though they're very funny husbands and wives testing each other.
I mean we often there's a certain time of the day,
just before four, we start getting text about picking up
milk on the way home, and we count those six
towards the stats.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
Absolutely as a net gain to the country. Great metrics
for us. So tell you what the text to Just
taxt through your account number and between me and Matt
Heath will send you ten bucks each. Keep those teaks
coming through or nine to nine to them taking your calls.
I eight one hundred eighty ten eighty. Is TikTok a
net benefit for New Zealand? What do you say? It
is eight to.

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
Three the issues that affect you and a bit of
fun along the way, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons NEWSTALKSB.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
News TALKSB. It is six two three. A quick couple
of texts. This one says, O, gooday, guys. I used
to remember the phone numbers for about one hundred of
our customers. Then cell phones came in. Now rely on
my phone to come up with even my children's phone numbers.
Should be therefore, ban cell phones. Very few people get
the newspapers these days, so adverts and them are expensive.
But TikTok social media, Yes, it does a lot of harm.

(01:15:47):
Is it a net benefit to New Zealand debatable, but
it certainly out some people.

Speaker 3 (01:15:50):
This textas says Pulse, says there are rooms in Asia
with fifty thousand phones, all controlled by AI clicking on
those ads. I did the first ad Sense ad in
New Zealand with Google Day one, the main competitor in Asia.
Hit my ad two thousand times, cost me two thousand
times five cents one hundred bucks, and hit my daily
ad spin limit one person had seen it. Google did

(01:16:10):
block that number. Assesssing my head though, Yeah, I mean
there is all kinds of stories like that. You know,
I can't assist whether they're true or not. And look, TikTok,
you know, if it works for you, go for your life, absolutely.
But TikTok have put up their hand whether TikTok report
saying how great TikTok is right, And so when you
do that, then you've got to look at it and
you've got to question it. Right when they're saying that
they're worth one point two billion dollars for our economy.

(01:16:34):
And when I look at this the report is it
basically measures advertising influence, not new wealth created. Right, And
customers could have spent that much money somewhere else regardless, right,
just through businesses reaching out in different marketing channels.

Speaker 9 (01:16:49):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:16:49):
So it's a big to claim that with the multipliers
they put in there, and it also depends on massive
assumptions and modeling and self reported data commissioned by TikTok itself. Right,
So we've got all these multipliers in there that they're
willing to take on board to say how great. But
if that's the case, let's push back and say where

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are they based, how does the tax system work on
for TikTok? And what is the net results of our
economy on the lowering of our attention span? What does
that do for our productivity? So if you're going to
TikTok and throw those multipliers in there, then we can
throw some dividers in there as well.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
Absolutely, and we should question a great discussion. Thank you
to everybody who gave us a text and gave us
a call. Coming up after three o'clock an article that
analyzes obesity penalties, that is the cost of being overweight.
Some surprising results in there. But the question we've got
for you after three how much better was your life
after you lost weights?

Speaker 1 (01:17:50):
The big stories, the leak issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News.

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
Talk said, be a very good afternoon to you. Welcome
back into the show. It is seven past three and
I hope you're having a great Tuesday afternoon. So with
the explosion of loss drugs, GLP one receptors, the likes
of a zempicn we go V, there's been some new
in depth analysis on obesity, and it has examined what
is called the obesity penalty and the impact excess weight

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can have beyond just health outcome. So we all know
obesity is linked to higher healthcare costs, but also the
researchers have found out with the emergence of these new drugs,
it also has disadvantages in areas like employment, income, and
social opportunity, so that is finding a job, finding a date,
getting married, and also finding friends. They're all part of

(01:18:43):
what they call the obesity penalty.

Speaker 3 (01:18:46):
Right, So people are less, according to the study, less
likely to hire dates or even be friends with people
that are overweight than people that are not overweight.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
Yeah, the real discrimination. And they've gone through thousands, tens
of thousands of people who have lost weight with these
new drugs. So that's given them the ability to really
zero down on what are the implications of being overweight
rather than just health outcomes.

Speaker 3 (01:19:12):
Yeah, because generally the focus is isn't it is on
health outcomes?

Speaker 13 (01:19:16):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:19:17):
So I mean maybe, I mean I'd be interested to
know what the stats are between people that are taking
these weight loss drugs or losing weight for health as
opposed to appearance. I wonder what would be interesting balance there.
The study doesn't have those numbers, does it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
No, No, but just on the employment rate. So among
women who had been out of work, employment rates increased
by twenty seven percentage points for those taking these GLP
ones twenty seven percent. That change is bigger than the
employment gap between women with a high school diploma and
those with a university degree.

Speaker 3 (01:19:54):
Right. So is that I mean, is that across the
board with jobs?

Speaker 9 (01:19:58):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:19:59):
Because there would be some jobs that would involve as
a certain level of fitness, I.

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
Suppose, correct, So that is part of it. There would
be some people who were at that level of weight
they couldn't perform the job.

Speaker 3 (01:20:09):
But the assertion is that going to a job interview,
people that are obese are less likely to get the
job than people that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
Aren't discriminated against because by the very fact that they
may be overweight.

Speaker 3 (01:20:21):
Right. Yeah, So there are a lot of people losing
a lot of weight at the moment, aren't they? For
what are the benefits? Has it made your life better?
Like your hope, not just health, but the opportunities that
open up to you. I'll be interested. I mean, I
wonder if a proportion of this is that you suddenly
feel better about yourself. So you go into a job

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interview feeling better, like the clothes you put on. You know,
you're not self conscious for whatever reason, wrongly or whitely.
I mean, I imagine if you've decided to take these
drugs to lose weight, there's a good chance that you
think that having the weight on is not a good
thing otherwise while you're doing it, right. Yeah, So you

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go into the job interview were you know they say
a big part of it's making friends, all those kind
of things that your attitude might have changed.

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
Yeah, I can see that making a difference. I mean,
you think about this. People have heard about the pretty privilege.
So people who are considered I have it. You've got
the pretty privilege?

Speaker 3 (01:21:23):
Oh yeah, how Yeah? Who told you that?

Speaker 6 (01:21:26):
Hey?

Speaker 2 (01:21:27):
Who's pe telling you you've got the prime privilege?

Speaker 6 (01:21:29):
Mom?

Speaker 2 (01:21:29):
Is that your mum told you?

Speaker 6 (01:21:31):
Mom?

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
I mean she's a smart woman. It's a very nice mum.

Speaker 3 (01:21:34):
My mum rest in peace?

Speaker 14 (01:21:35):
She Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:21:37):
Anyway, what are you saying anyway? Mate?

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
So how's that worked out for you? The pretty privilege?
That has that seen you have.

Speaker 3 (01:21:42):
Advantages in life?

Speaker 10 (01:21:43):
Well?

Speaker 3 (01:21:43):
Less you say, I'm a radio DJ. Yeah, I'm a
radio and DJ radio host.

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
Radio host.

Speaker 3 (01:21:48):
Yeah, everyone knows that all radio hosts are really good. Look,
it's always the way it works. Yeah. But anyway, So, yeah,
as you're saying, I doraled you, sorry, Tyler, So you
were saying that we've all heard of the pretty privilege. Yeah,
so this is the obesity penalty, not that you can't
be pretty in obese.

Speaker 12 (01:22:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:22:05):
Absolutely. Yeah, there's a lot of very I think people
out there who may may carry a little bit of
extra weight.

Speaker 3 (01:22:10):
But yeah, there is oerception, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:22:12):
That they get more advantages in life because they are
deemed attractive. So whether that means they get promoted faster
than other people who don't look as pretty as them,
or whether they actually get the job. So do you
think this is a part of it? And if you've
lost a significant amount of weight or just lost weight,
what were the advantages that you saw in life? Did
that make you happier or how was you How much

(01:22:34):
better was your life after you lost that weight? Tell
us So one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call in nineteen nine two is the text number.

Speaker 3 (01:22:41):
This text says, no, no, no, the study cannot be right.
I certainly would never employ a hot check.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
Okay, well, thank you for your honesty.

Speaker 3 (01:22:49):
Okay, okay, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:22:50):
Might have been sarcasm that a tell on text keep
those things coming through. Oh, eight one hundred eighty ten eighty.
How much better was your life after you lost weights?
Give us a call or text through nine two nine two.
It is twelve past three on news talks, it'd be
there's fourteen past three? How much better was your life
after you lost weight? On the back of quite a
significant study they call it the obesity penalty, but they

(01:23:11):
looked at not just better health outcomes, but better outcomes
across areas like employment, income, and social opportunities. So did
that happen for you when you lost weight? O? Eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call a?
Nine two nine two is the text?

Speaker 3 (01:23:25):
This says high weight discrimination is not an assertion. It
is a fact, especially in the health sector, but not
only regardless of what you think. There are some happy fatties,
But that I mean, I know that's probably how do
I put this. I mean, there used to be that
that idea, wasn't there, of the jolly larger person.

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
The generalization, Yeah, you see it a media or in cartoons,
a movie, the.

Speaker 3 (01:23:51):
Chris Farley yep, the Candy.

Speaker 2 (01:23:55):
Santa Claus, Jolly Father, Christmas Rose O'Donnell.

Speaker 7 (01:23:59):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:24:00):
Yeah, she doesn't seem very happy now though, does she.

Speaker 2 (01:24:02):
She went downhill a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:24:03):
Yeah, seems pretty grim.

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:24:04):
Hey, guys, I'm currently on a bit of a weight
loss journey. The way I feel compared to how I
was feeling six weeks ago is huge, very simple task
that I struggle with. Now I understand as simple as
I was told, feel better and want to do more
with my we girl heaps better. Yeah, so that's that's
the health benefits, right. Yeah, but yeah, I'd be interested

(01:24:29):
to know if anyone's noticed that that they have had
social and employment benefits.

Speaker 2 (01:24:34):
But losing the weight just to your point though, is
that because there's another text to here that alludes to
it where or is it dunt dun dunt and I'll
find it in a second here it is get a guys,
I don't think it is discrimination. It's more the confidence
gained by the person who has lost the weight. So
to your earlier point, when you start to lose the weight,
you can do more things. You can play with your kids,
that gives you more confidence. More confidence means that people

(01:24:56):
look more kindly upon you, that they you know, they
want to hang out and potentially give you a job.
I mean, is that a part of it? That it
is a slow build up of confidence when you do
lose weight via one of these GLP ones.

Speaker 3 (01:25:08):
See, I think I think that's okay. There was, there
was there was a study recently that was done. It
was a few years ago, right, and I'm just remembering
off the top of my head. But what happened was
they they had a bunch of a bunch of women.
What's a better way to put that, some female subjects, yep.

(01:25:28):
And they put scars on their faces, right, and with makeup,
really realistic looking scars in their faces, and they sent
them into these these job interviews. But before they went
into the job interviews, they removed the scars from their faces,
so they weren't actually there at all, right, And everyone
came out of that interview and stats were really strong
for them, saying that they went in there, they knew

(01:25:49):
the person liked them. They were staring at their scars.
They didn't have a chance getting of the job because
they were just these people were just thinking about their
scars all the time, and and they blew the interviews
because they had lost confidence, right, right, But but it
wasn't the case. There were no scars on their faces.

Speaker 2 (01:26:08):
There's a lot about our state of mind. If we
think we are being discriminated against, then that will be
projected at who we're interacting with.

Speaker 8 (01:26:14):
Yees.

Speaker 3 (01:26:15):
So if you could be a slightly larger person, you
go into an interview and this is called what was it,
the obesity penalty penalty? Right, so you think that you're
suffering an obesity a penalty, but what you're just suffering
is a lack of self confidence penalty. And then you
lose the weight. As this text just said. There you're
feeling amazing, you go into the interview. You're just a warm,

(01:26:36):
fantastic person. And if you had that same attitude when
you were at a bit more weight on, you might
have had the same result. Yeah, because I can't imagine
not hiring someone because of their weight.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
No, a big unusual thing to pinpoint if they are
the right person for the job.

Speaker 3 (01:26:50):
I mean, I hire people for my little company. Last
thing I've ever thought about is their weight.

Speaker 2 (01:26:55):
Yeah, I bet for an animator, it doesn't really matter,
does it. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number two call. So what has changed for you
if you've lost weight, if you're using the likes of
we go VI or Ozempa. How much weight have you lost?
And how's it going for you? We'll have a chat
to Chris before we get to play some mesters get mates.
You doing very good? So have you lost a bit

(01:27:16):
of weight recently?

Speaker 14 (01:27:18):
Yes?

Speaker 12 (01:27:19):
Yeah, just in week six of a bit of a
weight loss that I'm doing at the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
Fantastic. And how much weight have you lost?

Speaker 8 (01:27:25):
Chris?

Speaker 12 (01:27:27):
Just under six kg?

Speaker 2 (01:27:29):
Nice? And so is this is this using one of
the medications like we go for your ozmpic?

Speaker 12 (01:27:36):
No, just low charb basically right, yeah, yeah, no, just
finding ice a hell of a lot easier. Whether it's
getting out of bed, it's a lot easier to get
tying with shoes. That was one huge, huge thing that
I noticed, lot a lot easier.

Speaker 3 (01:27:59):
And do you feel so is your as your mood change?
Do is your outlook on life changed? Chris?

Speaker 12 (01:28:06):
Mike, I mean I'm not an angry person, but yeahs
fuse must be longer. I'm not sure?

Speaker 3 (01:28:14):
Yeah, right, right, and you know, to see, like, how
do you feel? I mean, I'm saying this, so do
you feel more confident walking around? Like in terms of
reactions your interactions with other people? Do you feel more
confident in those interactions? Yeah?

Speaker 12 (01:28:32):
Yes, And no, I mean I hear people say, hey,
your tops looking loose or something like that, which makes it,
you know, you feel a bit better about yourself.

Speaker 8 (01:28:39):
For that, it's always good.

Speaker 12 (01:28:42):
But yeah, a huge thing for me was cutting alcohol
by a lot was obviously you feel a hell of
a lot better because you're not'm waking up with the
grill or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:51):
Yeah, did you ever feel that discrimination? Chris? You know,
you might not have known it then, but now that
you've lost six kilo and you're on that that journey
so to speak, looking back, do you think there is
that discrimination with people who carry a bit bit of
extra way?

Speaker 12 (01:29:07):
Honestly, yes, I do. I believe there is to a
certain degree. And my sort of job, I don't think
it matters. But yeah, no, I can see how it
would be not so much an issue, but you know
what I mean, Yeah, and some jobs.

Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
Yeah, And what's your aim Chris, how much you're looking
to get down to I'm looking.

Speaker 12 (01:29:29):
At to lose twenty kg's, which would put me about
ninety kg's.

Speaker 2 (01:29:35):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:29:35):
Have you got a time frame to do that, Chris?
Are you doing it in a a you know, in
a program? Kind of?

Speaker 12 (01:29:44):
Originally I was thinking sort of by Christmas would be great,
but yeah, no, I would want to do it as
a healthy way. I don't want to just drop weight
Willie Nellie.

Speaker 2 (01:29:53):
Yeah, yeah, it's pretty incredible doing it off your own bet,
and I know a lot of people have done it
off their own bet. And I'm not even to go
at the week o your ozempic. They work well for
a lot of people, but I would assume tell me
if I'm wrong, dear listeners who use those medications. But
it seems that traditional way of just going low carb,
kicking the booze and exercising a bit more that is

(01:30:13):
traditionally a lot more difficult, takes a lot of discipline. Yeah, Chris,
thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (01:30:20):
Good on your Chris, and good luck with that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:30:23):
Yeah, I mean if you do, you feel personal satisfaction,
like you've achieved something. If you take weight loss drugs
and you lose the weight, or is it just kind
of like max for stepping passing. So Lewis Hamilton, you
know when he was talking about getting the you know,
the Pass of the month, and he said that, he said,
how did you do it? Well, I pressed the button.

(01:30:45):
I had more horsepower than him, so I passed him.

Speaker 2 (01:30:47):
I had a faster car.

Speaker 3 (01:30:48):
Yeah, yeah, I had a faster car.

Speaker 2 (01:30:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:30:49):
You know, whereas if you start going to the gym,
eating right, and you work at it for six months
and you get there, I just wonder if there's the
same feeling of satisfaction. Surely there isn't, right.

Speaker 2 (01:31:01):
Because that's the whole aspect of keeping it going.

Speaker 3 (01:31:03):
It's like if you win lotto, as opposed to you know,
starting a company, building it up from nothing and then
selling it and making thirty million dollars or something. Yeah
it's supposed to have been given thirty million dollars. Still,
both great, but one of them you can feel a
lot of pride and take a lot of credit for
achieving it.

Speaker 8 (01:31:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:31:21):
The other one you've just got to go as lucky.

Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
Yeah, yeah, very true. Yeah, is that the case? I
wait one hundred and eighty ten to eighty. If you
use the likes of we go the or a zempic
how are you feeling after losing the weight and have
you keep the weight off? Tell us nine two nine
two is that text number as well? It's twenty three past.

Speaker 1 (01:31:36):
Three matd Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty on youth Talk ZIV twenty five
past three.

Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
So if you've lost weight either via ozempic we go
V or traditional means, has life been better for you
after dropping those kilos? I wit one hundred and eighty
ten eighty as number to call a nine two ninety
two is the text A couple of texts here, guys,
back in the day, the weight loss drugs made you
feel so bloody good you didn't care if you lost weight.
If you know, you know that's from true. Oh that

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the old ricreem for a dream situation, the old and fetamines.

Speaker 3 (01:32:15):
Yeah, it was interesting. Was who was he? I forgot
his name?

Speaker 13 (01:32:18):
Sorry?

Speaker 3 (01:32:19):
That terrible of me? Terrible of me? Was that Chris
that was calling before? That thing that you might give
up alcohol to lose weight. And then the thing that's
making you feel good and positive about life is that
you don't have a hangover, and it's not actually that
you've lost the weight. It's really hard to say.

Speaker 2 (01:32:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:32:34):
You know, when we talk about this obesity penalty, what,
there's so many different factors, isn't it right?

Speaker 2 (01:32:38):
That's right? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:32:39):
So are you being people have been predis answer you
because you're not feeling good about yourself? You know, are
you feeling better about yourself because you lost weight? But
actually it's just because you're not hungover every day and
you took alcohol out of your diet all those kind
of things. You know, you have your diets better, so
you've got you know, liss crap in your system, all
those kind of things, right, Yeah, Peter, welcome to show.

Speaker 8 (01:33:01):
Hey, gentlemen, I think last time you had this subject
and I think I just of my little journey and
fifteen down.

Speaker 2 (01:33:12):
So ah, congrats going well that's right. We were talking
about we go Be that had just come on the market,
So congrats mate down.

Speaker 8 (01:33:21):
Yeah, I'm not on we gob It's a m trullicity.
I'm saying characteristics, but yeah, but yeah, fifteen down, just
a lot more energy. I don't think I've ever been
be surized and job interviews.

Speaker 9 (01:33:40):
I've always you know.

Speaker 8 (01:33:43):
Kind of that's that's not the goal, Like I think
I said you guys a little while ago, it's about
shopping the normal shops and you know, having that ability
to pick off a normal rack instead of a rack
back in the back. So but been a been a
big lad. I don't notice it. Yeah, I don't notice

(01:34:06):
that fifteen, but work mats and that do like you've
lost my pants are bagging in new shirts. But as
a big guy, you just don't see it like a
good dump would lose ting killow sort of a you
it's yeah, and to start, and it's a good start,
and pick some box to the doctor when you go

(01:34:29):
see him. And I haven't had any symptoms, you know,
as and reactions that they describe on.

Speaker 10 (01:34:38):
The on the box.

Speaker 9 (01:34:40):
But it's it's easy to jump off.

Speaker 8 (01:34:46):
You get that food not so you go out and
you know you just don't take those You go, I
should be right because I'm getting in a little injection
or I've lost fifteen and I can know what's what's
one hundred grands?

Speaker 10 (01:34:59):
You know.

Speaker 8 (01:34:59):
So it's it's just that constant battle of going do
I need it? Do I need it? And usually if
your mind is no, or at the moment it's no.
But it's like said, it's it's a battle, but it
seems so.

Speaker 3 (01:35:16):
So where did you start at, Peter? And how far
do you want to go?

Speaker 8 (01:35:23):
I want to get down to a hunting It would
be my goal. I'm not I haven't said a time
because times always stretch out out of a bit of string.
I just want to do it right and stay off.
And I'm probably my own worst enemy. Where now I
could go down a size shirt, but I'm not afraid,

(01:35:44):
but I don't want to just in case I fall
off the wagon. And you know, so you've got those
baggy clover and you go, oh, no, I don't need.

Speaker 3 (01:35:52):
At the moment.

Speaker 8 (01:35:52):
It's still fits, but it looks it looks baggy, so
you you end up hanging on to baggage, so to speak.
So maybe the motivator is buying a new all drove
every now and then, you know, and your T shirt,
your pants or something and wear the crap out of
it or you lose some more. But yeah, it's interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:36:14):
Have you have you found and that you're you know,
you you feel more confident in life? Has there been
those kind of positive effects that that this article is
talking about.

Speaker 8 (01:36:25):
No, I see I haven't struggled much from that side
of things, I've always been relatively confident.

Speaker 3 (01:36:33):
So yours is a health that your yours is primarily
a health thing for for the weight loss, because oh, I'm.

Speaker 8 (01:36:40):
Dad right, you wanna you want to be a night
round London than those people. But you know, my daughter
can't help you with that. I have to do it
on my own and and me only and and so yeah,
it's the confidence thing. I believe I have that in Spain.
So it's not worrying, it's it's just that whole thing
of going into or looking at it's for a class example, Edie,

(01:37:05):
there's no clothes that fit me and Edie and or
Nike or under armor and when I love to wear
those friends, you know, I just have to stick to it.
I'm saying, Johnny Big or the exercises that Canterbury, you know,
those sort of things, so that that there's a motivation
gold again into a pair of Eddy Theirs or you know,
Nike whatever you know. And but I've never never had it,

(01:37:29):
so it's yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:37:31):
Yeah, And Peter, just quickly, what is the name of
the medication you're on? Is it does it work the
same way as we.

Speaker 10 (01:37:37):
Go or.

Speaker 8 (01:37:40):
Yeah, it's the same way. It's true, right, So it's yeah,
medicine based for diabetics from the TP and all that,
but it's the same principle suppresses the white noise, the
food noise, and acts the same. So you still have

(01:38:01):
to eat. You have to force yourself to eat other ones.
You get constipated and you need your muscle. Yeah, you
lose muscle if you don't consume. So it's about making
the right choices when you make them, and hopefully you're
doing every day. But like I said, it's a daily
struggle to make the right choices. No, you know, you

(01:38:23):
just go, oh, she'll be right, she'll be right. But
you know, and the more people you tell, you feel
a little bit motivated because you don't want to people
know that you're on it and you don't want to
let them down. Right, There is that whole Yeah, peer pressure,
I suppose in this small way.

Speaker 2 (01:38:40):
Peter, great stuff, mate, Thank you very much for giving
us a call and let's chetick in in another six months.
How good? Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. How has life changed for you
after losing weight? Give us a call or text for
on nine to nine two We've got the headlines with
Raylen coming up next twenty eight to four.

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more at Inset Herald dot co dot inset To Matt
Eathan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 2 (01:40:22):
Thank you very much, Rayleen. How much better has your
life been after you've lost weight? On the back of
new analysis that examined obesity penalties, but they found those
who lost weight not only had better health health outcomes,
but they had better employment and coming social opportunities as well.

Speaker 3 (01:40:37):
Is that more honorable to lose weight for health reasons
than for beauty reasons? Or is there no value judgment
on that?

Speaker 2 (01:40:44):
Ooh great question.

Speaker 7 (01:40:46):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:40:46):
I'm gonna have to mull that over.

Speaker 3 (01:40:48):
I think it's much easier for men. And look, this
is a massive genera generalization, but for men to go,
I need to lose weight for health reasons, but really
they just want to sweet art Spakini bod.

Speaker 2 (01:40:59):
Yeah, I just want to look sixty again. Michelle, how
are you? Oh good, good, nice to chat with you.
So you've managed to lose a bit of weight using
one of the GLP one medicine yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:41:10):
Yeah, So my doctor was talking to me about it
for well, I'd approached my doctor about three years ago,
and I was always a bit hesitant because for some reason,
I just didn't let the idea of taking sort of
a man made drug. But anyway, I got over that
because I've tried everything else and nothing seemed to be working.
And I really didn't think that the way GOV would

(01:41:31):
work because I thought, you know, my problem is that
I just, you know, I just like food and I'm
addicted to food, and I just don't know how to
say to know. And I couldn't believe that it would
really make any difference. And I'm quite surprised that it has.
Like it really does turn off the busy brain thinking
about what I'm going to eat next? Can I get
some more of that? Gee? I might have a second

(01:41:52):
helping or a third or wheeze the brathing table at
the party so I can stand next to it and
just eat, you know, but I just don't. Yeah, And
I'm really I was really surprised. It hasn't been super fast,
but I'm okay. Like the I think about what I've
lost in the last five months, It's only been about
six kg, but I'm quite happy because I think about that,

(01:42:15):
as you know, I think about six kgs worthus you know,
legs of lamb on the table.

Speaker 2 (01:42:20):
It's quite a lot you carry that around.

Speaker 8 (01:42:22):
Yeah, yeah, I'm not heaving.

Speaker 10 (01:42:24):
That up the street every time I go for a walk. Also,
my doctor said I'm sort of on the road to
getting diabetes if I'm not careful. So I'm glad that
I'm covering that off as well.

Speaker 14 (01:42:36):
And are you so?

Speaker 8 (01:42:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:42:38):
Are you feeling more confident within yourself, Michelle? Are you're feeling,
you know, happier.

Speaker 10 (01:42:42):
I am, yeah, because I don't know if this is
a female thing. I think it is predominantly a female thing.
But you know, carrying extra weight definitely made me feel
like I looked older. And because I'm middle aged anyway,
I am looking older, and you know, on the one hand,
I'm trying to grow old gracefully. But on the other hand,

(01:43:03):
you know, I wouldn't mind looking a bit younger. And
losing weight has I feel I look my proper age,
you know, so that makes me feel good. It's nice
to have a bit of a jawline. His face is defined,
and you know, it's good to be able to sit
into my clothes without them being uncomfortable or just not
being able to wear them because they're just too tight.

(01:43:25):
So you know, I'm saving money as well.

Speaker 3 (01:43:28):
Do you reckon that people treat you differently or you
have more confidence so you go into social interactions in
a way that there has been a positive outcomes. If
you see what I'm saying, do you think do you
think I do?

Speaker 10 (01:43:43):
I mean when I was younger, I really I did perceive.
I don't have any real evidence, but I perceived that
I was looked at differently when I carried extra weight,
you know, not taken as seriously, maybe a bit invisible.
But actually at my age, I don't really care if
they did. But I am mentioned to your editor that

(01:44:08):
I think agism is a is a bigger thing actually
than being fatism. But I do think it. I do
think it's a real thing. I've just decided I'm not
going to pay it, give it any you know, space
in my brain because I don't want to. I don't
want to think about that. I've spent too much time
in my past worried about it, so I dont want
to focus on the good stuff. But I think it

(01:44:30):
is a real thing. Definitely, Yeah, for females, more for females,
I reckon, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:44:36):
The ageism or the or the fatism as you put it,
both both right, both both. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:44:43):
It seemed to me what this study was was, you know,
determining that it was far more for females than males.
So on that discrimination, I mean, where would that be.
You mentioned the social interactions, but do you think that
can apply for some women when it comes to jobs.
Is that kind of you know, a myriad of different
aspects on life that is just a bit harder.

Speaker 10 (01:45:03):
Yeah, I'm sure.

Speaker 9 (01:45:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:45:04):
I mean I've experienced it with age and so I
could easily see it happening with physical attributes as well. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:45:16):
Yeah, Well, Michelle, congratulations on the six kilow and fantastic
it's working out well, you know, despite you being dubious
about it, it is working. It is working as it's intended.
So congratulations.

Speaker 3 (01:45:27):
Yeah, sounds like we've got a great attitude. The sex
is great topic. I've maintained a twenty five kg weight
loss for five months. Key is to change your thinking.
Anyone can lose weight, but we need to change and
address the issues that made us fat in the first place.
No meds will do that. My life has completely changed
for the better. Too much to explain in a text.
No drugs needed, just the right people guiding me.

Speaker 2 (01:45:49):
Yeah, great text. Keep those coming through on nine two
nine two and taking your calls on oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty will be back very shortly. It
is eighteen to four, the issues that affect you.

Speaker 1 (01:46:01):
And a bit of fun along the way. Matt Heath
and Tyler Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 11 (01:46:06):
They'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:46:08):
News dogs, here'd be it is sixteen two four.

Speaker 3 (01:46:12):
Yeah, was that on here? What I just said?

Speaker 2 (01:46:15):
No, No, thankfully not.

Speaker 3 (01:46:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:46:17):
She wasn't their bad.

Speaker 3 (01:46:18):
I was just I was just pointing out that of
interest too. Tyler's just saying, hey, I'm out of T
shirts and my drawer, possibly because being on the air
yesterday slacking off. How Tracy my lovely partners hangs things up. Yeah,
went into my drawer this morning, there was no T
shirts in there. So this was part of the pushbag

(01:46:39):
to say, but she's restricting my laundry, so what are
you down to?

Speaker 2 (01:46:43):
Signals now, I had.

Speaker 3 (01:46:43):
To wear a singi I had to wear a singy
from my running drawer.

Speaker 2 (01:46:47):
You hide it pretty well. With that jersey though.

Speaker 3 (01:46:49):
Yeah, but I'm quite hot in here because we're running
the microskiing four hundred degree temperature in the studio here.
But yeah, gotta be careful you talk about on the
radio exactly so you seek to I'm like, I don't, don't.
I think Tracy's the way she hangs things on the
line is too I don't know, it's too meticulous.

Speaker 2 (01:47:06):
Yeah, yeah, go to my drawer, no T shirts. It's
funny how.

Speaker 3 (01:47:09):
They had that is that there's kind of mafiosa standover techniques.

Speaker 2 (01:47:11):
So it's definitely revenge coming back. It's the algorithm part
of that as well.

Speaker 3 (01:47:16):
This text is great topic. Boys, you probably won't be
able to hear this, but I think probably won't be
able to hear this. I'm reading it, but I think
some woman should be done for false pretenses. I've started
it now.

Speaker 2 (01:47:31):
Yeah, yeah, we got as I mean, you haven't said this.
This is a texter. Just clarify.

Speaker 3 (01:47:35):
They take the spanks off and it's a completely different
woman than the woman you met. Well, so as spanks
the tight stuff that holds everything in.

Speaker 2 (01:47:44):
Yeah, like sort of kind of just molds the body
a certain way.

Speaker 3 (01:47:50):
It's probably dudes that we have spanks as well, right.

Speaker 2 (01:47:52):
I wouldn't mind some male spanks.

Speaker 3 (01:47:54):
You were reading out of texts before. That was a phenomenal.
What was that that you said to me before?

Speaker 5 (01:47:59):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:48:00):
Yes, hold on, there's so many ticks that come through here.
It is yiddo guys. I've lost forty kilo by drinking
chilled water throughout the day and having small healthy meal.
I've gone from one hundred and seventy four kilo down
to one hundred and thirty. That's grant and Wellington.

Speaker 3 (01:48:14):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:48:15):
What water and shelled water and small healthy meals.

Speaker 3 (01:48:20):
Yeah, because there's there's that diet that people talk about
quite a lot, when you just drink a lot more water,
and because our brain isn't smart enough to know the
difference between hungry and thirsty, and so sometimes you eat
when you're actually thirsty. Right, Yeah, Mike, welcome the show.

Speaker 9 (01:48:36):
Gooday, guys, thanks for the finishing update too. I'm glad
of a single because I hang up my own clothes.

Speaker 12 (01:48:40):
But that's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:48:42):
I think that's the key, Mike.

Speaker 8 (01:48:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:48:45):
Yeah, it's quite a number of years ago now, So
at least twenty nine years ago, I was fat till
I was about thirty and saw a guy I went
to school with and he was mister Fitness news in
and I was like, wow, he's got a six pack,
and above into the airport. Long story short, I'd always
gone to the gym, but I got to eating five
to six meals a day and then just really learned

(01:49:07):
how the body works, sort of energy and energy out.
I certainly don't have anything against the drugs and that,
because I think sometimes that can help, but I wish
I'd learned at school sort of how the body works
with regards to energy in and now I normally think
of protein first and then I'll add the carbohydrates to
it type of thing. So I think I last went
off at the gym. I was one hundred and I

(01:49:28):
got down to seven tequila, so I lost thirty. But
the interesting thing for me, in all honesty, then I
found women more and more. I got more attention from
women for being in a better shape, and to the
point that I think it was Jean's West Store and Wellington.
I went in there and the gre Goes she said
what he wanted, I don't know, And she says she

(01:49:48):
dressed me, and I'm looking at myself going, this looks ridiculous.

Speaker 12 (01:49:52):
She said, look, you look great.

Speaker 9 (01:49:53):
I'm like, are you sure it's not?

Speaker 10 (01:49:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (01:49:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:49:57):
So I'm like, because I'm completely different. You know, I
look like an old man. You're a little kid for
losing the weight. And remember going out and just yeat
that night, a couple of girls were like, you look great.
I like you are like, oh, thanks, So that sort
of gives you a better confidence. But it was only
because I saw a photo of myself that looked like
someone had put a bike pump in my mouth and

(01:50:17):
just kept pumping it. And I think it's to Once
you see a photo of yourself, I think that you
go when did that happen? And also the lady before
that lost the six kilos and I still gym, but
they go, oh, I only last five hundred grands. I
mean you lost the block of butter, so I try
to equival things to a block of butter. So that
lost twelve blocks of butter basically.

Speaker 3 (01:50:40):
And you imagine carrying that around, you know, even if
it was in a backpack or something, just all day
carrying that around. That's that's a lot of extra effort.
But animal it's one hundred k Jess isn't too heavy?

Speaker 10 (01:50:50):
Is it?

Speaker 14 (01:50:51):
Like?

Speaker 3 (01:50:51):
How tall are you? If you don't mind me asking?

Speaker 9 (01:50:54):
No, that's right according to my ex wife with six one,
I'm short, so I'm five eleven.

Speaker 3 (01:50:59):
But five eleven and one hundred kgs you wouldn't say
is obese? I mean seventy kg's you must be, you
must be, you must be spelled.

Speaker 9 (01:51:10):
Not opeace. So I ended up doing a bodybuilding competition
out of that, and at seventy I was just really
really lean, had six pack and all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:51:18):
Yeah, that's lean.

Speaker 9 (01:51:20):
I went from being embarrassed to take my shirt off
at the beach from being overweight too. I didn't want
to take my shirt off at the beach when I
had a six pack because I didn't be able to
think of me as a tossa lawn to make you.

Speaker 2 (01:51:31):
Worked hard for it.

Speaker 3 (01:51:33):
Isn't that that describes the human condition, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (01:51:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:51:37):
So you didn't want it because you thought you were
too flabby, and then afterwards you didn't want to come
across as a try haad that was only taking a
shirt off to show off the six pack.

Speaker 9 (01:51:45):
Yeah, pretty much A lot of it is in our
own head, and I think they watch you said earliers like,
if you do lose weight and don't go like losing
too much, you all look younger.

Speaker 10 (01:51:56):
You just do.

Speaker 9 (01:51:56):
But yeah, I just sort of understand how the body
works and all that sort of thing. I've had friends once.
They both had the destric band, both ladies. One looked
great for a long time, but now she's put the
weight back on and the band's obviously streaching because she's
gone back to eating the way she used to type things.
So I don't know if that's for everybody, but yeah,

(01:52:18):
I certainly felt better about myself. It was nice to
wear I guess tied a clothes and at the beginning,
when people are making nice comments, you sort of think, oh,
are you taking the mickey or are you being honest?

Speaker 3 (01:52:28):
You know, so, yeah, thank you so much, Mike. We've
just got to go. But yeah, I see that's what
I think. I think a lot of this obesity penalty
is in your own head because so many things like that.
You know, like you've got a rocking bod, so you
don't want to take your shirt off because you don't
want people to think you're only taking a shirt off
to show off your rocking bod. We'll always find this.

(01:52:49):
We're all in our heads, aren't we.

Speaker 2 (01:52:50):
Yeah, a lot of that's mindset. I mean you mentioned
that survey before. Do you want to re mention it
because I think that is pretty telling and how we
think about things.

Speaker 3 (01:52:58):
The scar one. Yeah, yeah, so this is a survey
for telling them again.

Speaker 2 (01:53:03):
Well, I thought it was interesting. I mean for new
listeners that have just come out, we get listeners popped at.

Speaker 15 (01:53:07):
It out.

Speaker 10 (01:53:10):
There.

Speaker 3 (01:53:10):
There was a study done where thanks Tyler, there was
a study done where they put scars on some female
subjects faces before they went to job interviews, prosthetic scars.
They took them off unbeknownst to the woman before they
went into the job interviews, and then that they reported
back that the person hated them because of their scars

(01:53:32):
and didn't talk to them properly, had no respect for them,
and didn't impress on the job interview. Yes, when really
they didn't have the scars at all. It was all
in their heads.

Speaker 2 (01:53:43):
Yeah, all in their heads. What do you say though,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty or send us a
text nine two ninety two. It is eight minutes to four.

Speaker 3 (01:53:49):
Mum used to wear a girdle says this text.

Speaker 2 (01:53:51):
That's the male spank. Just get a girdle.

Speaker 3 (01:53:54):
What's a girdle?

Speaker 2 (01:53:55):
Remember that scene in extras with Ricky Gervais and he
goes for the audition and they're looking for a thirty
year old man. So he wears that girdle and then
there's he's reading the script. It just pops out like
a corset. Yeah, like a corset. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:54:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:54:07):
As the some fellers out there right it is eight
minutes to four, will be back very shortly.

Speaker 1 (01:54:11):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tayler Adams afternoons used
talk ZEDB.

Speaker 2 (01:54:20):
News talks THEB cricktique. Here you get our lads lost
forty two kilo over the last thirty months. No weight
loss drug just died and lifestyle changed. No gym, but
fasting and Saunas have worked in low page jobs for
twenty plus years now working in holistic health double my wage. Also,
no luck with the ladies for years, but that has
definitely changed.

Speaker 3 (01:54:37):
No problems now, congratulations. Someone's saying you don't need any
of these drugs, just to eat lentils. Yeah, lose weight
by any eating nothing about lentils. I guess you would.
What you'd do is you quickly stop eating anything? Yeah,
you'd really There's only so many lentils you can eat
before you don't feel like eat anything.

Speaker 2 (01:54:51):
Not good for the mental health.

Speaker 3 (01:54:52):
All right, ladies and gentlemen, that's the end of the show.
Thank you so much for listening, Thanks for all your
calls and your text. Ryan talks to the general manager
of snow Planet. They've just put in over two thousand
solar panels to save on their trist costs. Nice love,
but a snow planner. Absolutely, But Tyler, why am I

(01:55:14):
playing the song from British scar pop group Madness from
their nineteen seventy nine debut album One Step Belong.

Speaker 2 (01:55:20):
I've got no chance, no chance of getting the title
of a song, mate.

Speaker 3 (01:55:24):
So okay, well, because the song is about arguing and
Chippy wants to bring wants to have the ability to
discipline members of other parties in a coalition. So this
is about arguing between boyfriend and girlfriend, and we were
talking about arguing with the parties.

Speaker 2 (01:55:38):
You see, we're very good mates.

Speaker 3 (01:55:40):
All right, Okay, you seem busy, will let you go, Tyland,
I'll be back tomorrow from Live in the afternoon till
then give a taste the key we bless.

Speaker 10 (01:55:51):
Now when I try to.

Speaker 2 (01:55:55):
Again week

Speaker 1 (01:56:14):
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