Full Show Podcast: 28 May 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Talk said, be Hello, do you welcome into Thursday show.
I hope you're doing great witheref you're listening in the
country and it is a big day in political circles today,
of course, Budget Day twenty twenty six. How you doing Matt's.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
I'm doing very good, Thank you, Tyler. I am incredibly
excited about this budget. M hmm, wow am I no?
I am? So what do you think it's going to
be the bread and buttered budget, the brutal, bureaucratic bashing budget,
or I like that one, the tough love budget hm,
the no solutions just trade offs budget, the stash, the
cash budget, the splash, the cash budget. It's not gonna

(01:01):
be the splash the cash is.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
It won't be the splash the cash No lolly's this time.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
I've heard schools, hospitals, roads, rails are all going to
be a looked at all good stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
But that's what we're going to have a chat about
after two o'clock, So as we await Finance Minister Nichola
willis presenting that twenty twenty six budget. We will be
bringing that to you live analysis from Brad Olsen, the
chief executive and principal economists at Infometrics, and also joined
by political correspondent Bowie Soaper. So what is going to
be in there that she said no, Lolly's Is it

(01:32):
going to be a little bit of artificial sweetener? Maybe
we will find out, but we'll break that all down
and then after three o'clock we're going to ask you
are you happy with this budget? Have you got everything
that you dreamed and wanted in this particular budget or
is it the right way forward for New Zealand considering
where we are financially.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
Three two one text on nine two ninety two complaining
about you saying everything instead of everything.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Yeah, it's going to come through thick and fast, and
it probably won't be the last time today or certainly
in the next couple of weeks, but we're looking forward
to that after two clock.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
Well, used to be great back in the day and
talking about this, I believe with Barry Soper. How No,
it was with Liam dand about how my dad used
to sit down and listen to the budget and take notes. Yes,
because in the nineties it didn't really there wasn't really
any way to get all the information so quickly as
you do now and nothing and things didn't used to
get leaked in advance. So budget day used to be

(02:27):
quite a different thing, absolutely, and there'd be massive surprises
that changed your life.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
So dads and some mums. But dads would sit on
the on the on their chair yep and write write notes.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
How much of Siggy's gone, how much is alcohol gone?
Are but all made a big difference to people. Yeah,
So looking forward to your thoughts on that after three o'clock.
And as we say, we're going to break it all
down for you after two o'clock. But right now we
want to have a chat about temporary parking. This is
after tensions over a ten minute parking bay in Auckland's
West Mare have boiled over, with a dairy owner storming

(03:04):
into a taco restaurant Taco Loco, to grill diners who
park outside of his particular dairy. This was after a
post on a local community page described that altercation between
pragnish Patel and a female diner who had left her
car in that prime parking spot. Both the restaurant owner
and Patel deny he raised his voice, but he did
confirm he had visited the restaurant about three times since

(03:26):
it opened and spoke to managers about people using that
temporary car park, but on this occasion, obviously fed up,
he stormed in and began to point fingers at various customers,
trying to find the culprit. Once he did find the
woman who had parked in his car park, they went
outside and some words were exchanged. He said, I quote,

(03:47):
she got very angry, saying lots of bad words. I
didn't say bad words. I was very calb. But it
all ended in tears, not for mister bateall, but for
the lady in question.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
So do you think he has a point. So he's
trying to do his business right, and he's got a
dairy and people pull over and they get out of
their car and they come in and buy staff, and
then they drive off and then one pulls into the spot. Again.
That's why you have temporary parking, right. Yeah, So someone
rocks and they want to go to stuff their face
at Taco Laco, Taco Loco and look fair enough. Taco

(04:19):
Locos delicious, beautiful food, fantastic food, very authentic. But you
know you're there for the long haul because you're going
into the restaurant, right, and so you go, I don't care.
I don't care. I don't care about me, So I'm
going to park in this ten minute park. I don't care.
That's gonna stop this guy being able to do business.
He's probably on a knife, fitch. It's not easy to
run a dairy in twenty twenty six. He's probably just
getting by. But I don't care about that. I just
care about shoving a taco in my face. So I'm

(04:41):
just gonna park here and go in there. So can
you see his frustration? Can you see why it would
get to the point where he'd go into Taco Loco
and go loco? Yeah, at the people eating tacos?

Speaker 2 (04:52):
Oh one hundred seed, there's some good rhyming. What do
you say? Can you see where this dairy owner is
coming from? Do you agree with them or do you think,
like some of the Texas coming through that that car
park is not just for the dairy And if you
want to weap into the restaurant and and potentially be pained.
Then that's on you.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
I think a lot of people aren't willing to work
walk any kind of distance. People just cruise around looking
for a park directly out out the front. But you
should be willing to walk three hundred meters to a restaurant. Three,
I say half okay, it half a k Yeah. People
once they get in the car, they lose their minds
and they think that any more than about twenty five

(05:32):
meters walking as the end disaster.

Speaker 4 (05:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yeah, but you just need to get a park within
a kilometer. They'd say a kilometer.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
Anyone can work. You know, you can walk a kilometer exactly.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
If you're going to shove tacos in your face, you
want to work walk them off getting back to your car.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
Yeah, but Ian disagrees. He says, no, the Deiry doesn't
own the car park. I'd have told him to if off.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Whoa okay, ins coming and ots. So what do you say?
Do you agree? Within Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is that number to call a nine two nine
two is the text? It is twelve past one. Big
for you, surely, the.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons U STORKSB.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
New STORKSB. It is a quarter past one. So we're
talking about tensions over a ten minute parking bay in
Auckland's Westmeri. It all boiled over. There's a dairy owner
with that car park just outside his particular business and
he says it's been utilized by patrons of the Taco
Loco that's opened up for about three weeks. So this
led him to storm into the restaurant, point fingers at tables,

(06:33):
found who was responsible, took her outside and she ended
up crying.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
So was he pointy fingers at tables or people at tables?

Speaker 2 (06:40):
I thought it? Yeah, I thought he just came in.
You could almost see it happening, that the finger was
already up, already wagging, and then he just started firing
it off at all the tables. Who yeah, who was
parking out there?

Speaker 3 (06:49):
But come on, poor old what's his.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
Name, uh, Pregnish, Poor old Pragnish.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
He's seeing people sort of nearly pull over and then
drive off and not buy an ice cream. He's business. Yeah,
I can see it totally to disagree with the n
Ian see what it says. N says, uh lads, the
Doiry owner needs just anyway.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
I think Ian basically said that he'd tell the Diiry
owner to f off.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
Yeah, because he doesn't own the Doiry owner doesn't own
the park if off. So this person's responding to that
text totally disagree with you. And it's exactly the same
for people that sit in cafes with the laptop doing
business for a couple of hours, taking a seat away
from the other diners. Park there, grab your taco take
away tacos, then bag her off says it's yeah, so
if you ever been in the cafe so long that

(07:36):
they've asked you to move, Like so someone buys one
coffee and then sits there for like how many coffees
or things you have to buy to rent the table
at a cafe, if you see what I'm saying. So
if you just go in there and buy one coffee
and sit there and do work for three hours.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
That's taken the purse.

Speaker 5 (07:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Yeah, you've got to be consistent that if.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
You believe you have to buy something every half hour.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Or half hour I was going to say an hour.
I think every half hour Okay.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
To rent the table, Yeah, if it's busy, if it's
if it's empty and there's no pressure on the table,
you know, go for your life.

Speaker 4 (08:06):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
But if you're if it's a busy cafe and you're
hogging a table, you have to keep renting it by
buying stuff, don't you. There's a lot of overhead. What
do you say? Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighties
the number to call get a Martin?

Speaker 6 (08:16):
You know.

Speaker 7 (08:18):
No, P ten is only valid Monday to Friday from
eight am to six pm unless otherwise stated on the sign.
So if he's started ranting and raving after six pm,
he hasn't got a leak to stand on.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
This one, Martin? Is P ten at all times?

Speaker 8 (08:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (08:36):
Well in that case here then it's then it's a
legal sign.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
Okay, so what he could?

Speaker 7 (08:42):
He could have handled it better, but never mind.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
So what do you think Martin about that? Though? Do
you think dairy owner going in and policing this his
ten minute parking area? Do you think that's reasonable?

Speaker 9 (08:52):
No?

Speaker 1 (08:53):
Not really.

Speaker 10 (08:53):
Mind.

Speaker 7 (08:53):
You could try talking to Auckland Transport and have it
and force, but that would be like talking to the cat.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
Well, I think he has there has didn't they say
there's been three. They didn't say it was particularly from
this diery owner, but there'd been three three complain.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah, so he tried to go to the council. I
just try and find that line what we're having in
that discussion. But he did try and go to the
council and rang them. He got given a specific number
here it is so I got given a number for
the Auckland Council. Tried ringing them on multiple occasions and
nothing happened.

Speaker 7 (09:25):
Yeah, they were they're just not interested and then forcing it.
They'll put the sign there, but they didn't want to
enforce it.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (09:31):
Yeah, he shouldn't really be going renting and raving in
someone else's business.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
Well we know that he went. He went in and
he pointed the figure was out. Apparently didn't raise his
voice Martin, but he pointed his finger at everyone until
they found the woman. Then she started renting and raving
at him, and then she started crying. So but I
think I think even Taco Loco's saying not accusing him
of going loco.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
Are they No, they're defending him, Yeah, which is nice
on that restaurant.

Speaker 7 (09:56):
Yeah, well maybe maybe they should put an extra sign
up there to their customers. Yeah, they have, Actually they haven't.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
They have actually put a kind of slightly badly you know,
poorly written one on a bit of white paper in
the window.

Speaker 4 (10:10):
They have.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Yeah, but it does raise they need to work on
their penmanship. Yeah, yeah, maybe a bit bigger. Yeah, maybe
a full size A four is the smaller one a three.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
Get a ruler out and make sure it's you know,
you can do a better sign than that Taco Loko.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Yeah, yeah, but it does raise questions over parking outside
of a business, And I can see this is different.
It's a P ten, so there's some rules associated with that.
But when it comes to you being a business owner,
if you had hassles about parking outside your establishment, I
think there's a fair argument to be made that if
you've got a car park outside of your business, and
it might be there for everybody, but there's an argument
to be made that you should have priority over that

(10:47):
that car park for your customers coming in, because that
would be such a ball ach for so many people
out there when there's only so many car parks available.
And then you've got something like a restaurant next door,
so all of the available car parking has taken up
from the restaurant customers. Yes, got on the restaurant customers
and the restaurant themselves, but for anybody else they kind
of miss out. So if you've had issues with car

(11:07):
parking outside of your business, tell us I weight one
hundred and eighty ten eighties the number to call ray.
How are you?

Speaker 5 (11:13):
Oh good man?

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Yourself Tyler here? But good mates, how are you?

Speaker 5 (11:16):
Oh? Sorry, Tyler? That's right, you sound similar on the phone.
I'm kind of on the dairy owner's side on this one.
I live near a dairy that is near at a
cafe next door, and then a bar next door to that,
and I think they have a lot of bother similar
border with people parking in front when they oughtn't. But

(11:37):
I think the important thing here is it's a P
ten area. If you're going to a restaurant, why are
you're barking in a P ten area? A P ten area?

Speaker 3 (11:48):
Because you're entitled, don't you? You think that your your
your your love of tacos is more important than this
guy's need to do business exactly exactly.

Speaker 5 (11:58):
And that's that's all part of part of living in
a city where things have to be rationed. Space on
the road, it has to be rationed, parking has to
be rationed. Just got to be a little bit rational
about your rationing, about the rational that needs to happen,
and just kind of play the game a little bit.

(12:20):
I can't understand why why she ended up crying about.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
You see the crying. So you're you're willing to be
so gung ho as to park in a ten minute
temporary park out the front of a diary so you
can go and smash tacos. But when you're when you're
caught out.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
For it, you blub yep the old water works.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Because it's actually you know, it's a pretty aggressive move,
just saying I don't care. I'm just going to park here.
It's ten minutes, I don't care. I don't care about
this dairy. But but then when when you know, when
it's pointed out, when he comes into the cafe out
on the street, you start yelling and there start crying.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Who are you's over?

Speaker 4 (12:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (12:57):
You go?

Speaker 2 (12:57):
Sorry, Sorry, Sorry, what I was doing wrong.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
It was a bit cheeky. I just just love tacos
and I just had a taco frenzy. I just needed
to get in there. I'm sorry, sorry, sorry, I'll move.
That's what a normal person would do.

Speaker 5 (13:07):
You know, exactly an all Erson would do that.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Tacos though, Yeah, oh man, that's good.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
Yeah, they're good. Yeet. Maybe that's the problem.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
That's too good.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
The tacos are too good and people are losing their mind.
I mean they have called it taco loco.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, I think there might
be something in the ingredients that are that are causing
people to absolutely frenzy for.

Speaker 4 (13:27):
Them, don't you know?

Speaker 2 (13:28):
A Look what one hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call? So what do you say you on
the side of the dairy owner here? Is he right
to storm into this restaurant and wag his finger staying
calm and trying to identify who's been in that ten
minute car park? Or do you think it should be
free for all that the car park? Is there anyone
that wants to use it should go ahead and do that.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
Yes, So someone's putting a three is bigger than a four? Yeah,
I think the sign is currently on an A four.
You'd probably windnt want to put it on an A.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Two at least.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
Yeah, yeah, yep, yeah, yes, okay, And look if you
if you're running a business and then you've got these
temporary parks out the front, just so people understand what
it means for your business that that people don't abuse
those temporary eighteen minute parks. Just you know, I under
at eighteen took us through the frustration.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Yeah, love to hear from you. It is twenty three
past one.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
Bag usually here yourself. Think it's the Mic Hosking breakfast.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
Doctor Anna Breman is back with us home in July.
I mean, you're not calling it now obviously that we're
expecting it's going to be for the rest of the year. Bang,
bang bang. We're on the move, aren't we cash right wise, the.

Speaker 12 (14:29):
Next moves will depend on what the data tell us,
what the outlook is looking like where we see inflation headings.
They could be the case that we get information showing
that inflation will be higher than we expect and we
may do more rtags, But it's also possibility that we
see that the data is really weak, inflation doesn't increase
as much as we expect. You know, when fuel prices
go up, that will hit headline inflation. The nearture inflation

(14:52):
will go up, but it will also take away purchasing
power from households.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
a Veda News Talks, it'd be twenty five past one.
So we're talking about a ten minute car park that
is at the center of a big tension boilover with
a local dairy owner and a restaurant called Taco Loco.
So the situation was someone parked in his ten minute

(15:16):
temporary parking spot outside the dairy. He got upsets and
the woman in question ended up crying about it. But
the question we've got for you is who's in the right.
There is the dairy owner right to storm into that
restaurant and demand that the personal park. Then Joey stormed in.
He might he might have sauntered in the point actually
we only stormed in. He went in, and he pointed

(15:37):
at tables and asked, who's parking in the park and
stealing his and stopping him being able to do his business?
I am bespired, she mister Patel. Here, there was nothing
in the story that said he stormed in. There was
a lot of talk about waggling a finger. Yeah, so
we can say that with if he wagged it aggressively. No,
he just pointed around.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
We do know that the the woman that parked in
the ten minute park and then went and smashed tacos
for an hour. We know that she cried absolutely and
that she raised your voice. But no one's saying that
the dairy owner raised his voice. The six is parking
appropriately is the domain of the lazy, entitled, ignorainemus. Dairy
owner holy within his rights to call out that behavior. Cheers, lads,
that's from Adam Chris.

Speaker 13 (16:13):
How are you yeah, you guys, Yeah, hey, I'm in
agreeance with the dairy owner. I think, you know, at
the end of the day, the sign says it all.
You know, there's not a hell of a lot of difference,
you know between a sign that says, you know, park
ten minutes or a disability parking space, or a passenger

(16:35):
service vehicle or a good service vehicle. I mean, you know,
people are trying to business around town and it's chaos
at the best of times. I think, really what it
points out, and you know, the dairy owners frustration is
the old issue with organ transport and you know, not
enforcing these things and you know, do onto these people
that are you know, not abaying the signage. I mean

(16:58):
the signage is there for a reason.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
Yeah, yeah, so you got well you your P fives,
your P tens, your P thirties, your P sixties, your
P one twenties, limited parking zones, lighting zonse, clearways, broken
yellow lines, bus stops, bus loans, taxis stands, my biddleity parks,
isn't a permit? Packing? Keep on packing and motorcycle packing? Right,
all those are there for a reason to make the will.

Speaker 13 (17:20):
The big problem is and you know he's obviously been frustrated,
and the big problem is the enforcement of it, you know.
And if you live in Auckland, you know you know
about that. I mean, you know at is all keen
driving around in their flash vehicles, all the cameras on
top of you know, photographing people who are paying display
too long. But you know a guy, I mean, you know,
he's not a fortune five hundred company here, and he's

(17:42):
try and make a living. You know, it's tough. If
you've ever been in that sort of industry, it's pretty
tough to try and make a dollar. And the thing
that gets me is, you know all these people who say, well,
you know, if you came in and said it to me. Well,
you know, I tell them where to go. I mean, hey,
you know, for those sorts of people, there's always someone
bigger than you. And you'll say that to one person
one day and he won't say it again, you know.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
Yeah, the next man that the dairy owner sun comes out,
he's six eight.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Yeah, then you in trouble. Yeah. The more I think
about this, Chris, the more i'm you know, because we've
got residential streets, particularly in Auckland, but all around New
Zealand that have resident car parking right because the parkting
parking is very limited. You've got a house there, so
the council has decided that you should get a permit
to be of a park fair enough to But the
more often, the more and the more I see around
businesses in Auckland, this guy effectively has that, but a

(18:31):
lot of businesses don't have that. It's parking free for
all for any business in the area. And I question
that sometimes because most of us and I hear what
you say about walking. Just park a little bit further
away and walk, it's good for you. But most of
us and I do this. If I drive past a
dairy and I need something and I can't see immediate
car park. What I do I keep driving. I keep
driving to the next area or a gas station when
I find it. And that's a real blow for any

(18:52):
businesses that if you don't have an immediate car park
out out the front that you can offer to people.
I mean, is that part of the problem. Do you think, Chris,
that you need dedicated car parks for each of the
businesses that they can allocate for their customers or is
that going too far?

Speaker 13 (19:06):
Well, it's possibly gone to far. I mean I've seen
around Auckland, you know, like example dairies where they've had
a sign out so that you know, you know, this
is for parking for people shopping here, you know, and
you know you can sort of read into that whatever
you like. But yeah, I can't help but get back
to Orkland Transport and their priorities. You know, the small

(19:28):
business person. I mean, you know, this guy's playing as
GST and the whole nine yards and all the rest
of them, and you know he's just getting shouted by
this because you know, the eight is not enforcement.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
It's not a big there's not a big revenue thing
for at and you can just drive around at fifty
kilometers an hour. Well in Auckland some places because at
are psychos, So some parts of Auckland the speed them
it's thirty kye insane, So they'll drive some parts of
Auckland at thirty k just with the cameras. As you say, Chris,
just pinging multiple people. But you know the real thing

(20:01):
that you need to be doing is, you know, enforcing
things that help business to move on. Business though disagrees
dairies are theft, so who cares, well, we don't need
them too expensive. Go to the supermarket. They have lots
of parks there.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
Come on, you's a theft.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
You can't seriously want the world to be free of dairies.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
They're actually better pricing than a lot of the supermarkets.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
Sometimes well you know they work out that if you
buy for a week at a supermarket, you'll spend a
lot more than you need to spend because you get confused,
you get wowed by different things in different sections, and
you never know unless you've done a really good plan.
You don't know what's going to happen on a Wednesday.
But if you have a good dairy in your neighborhood,
and every day you go and buy just what you

(20:45):
need that day for dinner. You end up saving a
lot of money. Yeah, even though the day is slightly
more expensive. It's a false economy because supermarkets are designed
to trick you into buying all of stuff you don't
want to buy.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
That's why we chuck out so much stuff. What do
you say, though, oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty, So
when it comes to the temporary car parking, who's in
the right here? Is the dairy owner right to demand
that their car park is just for him in his customers.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
Or is he a what do you call it thinking?
Is the sheriff of town of the town the parking
enforcement officer of Westmere going in fingers are blazing into
Taco Loco and telling people how to park their cars.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
There's some great imagery.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
This sexta says, this Taco Loco place is getting the
best plug in free advertising so far. It's a win
win for them. While we should mention the dairy beside
Taco Loco. Yes, the Garnet dairy.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
Yep, great dairy as well, yepe by all accounts.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
And look, Taco Loco seems to understand what the Garnet
dairy guy is having to say, and the Garnet dairy
guy doesn't personally have a problem with Tarco Loco, so
I think it's peace piece between those people. It's just
when entitled people turn up parking the ten minute temporary
zone and then go and smash Taco's for now, what.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
Do you say, Oh, one hundred eighty, ten to eighty,
give us your view. Nine two ninety two is the
text number. It is twenty eight to two. Headlines coming up.

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including big cuts to the public service, reforms to social housing,
and putting money into health, education and energy. Nurses Society

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members have struck a pay deal with Health end Z
for a two point five percent salary increase in the
first year and two percent in the second. Senior designated
nurses and nurse practitioners will get a thirteen hundred dollars
lump sum, all others one thousand dollars. Environmentally friendly power
options might have stopped a coal mine in its tracks,

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with Waikato's Rutuwaru coal Mine's fast track expansion reportedly paused
with main customer Glenbrook Steel Mill moving to using an
electric arc furnace. STATSNZA data shows filled jobs rows zero
point five percent in the past year, growth still higher
in Canterbury and Otago. In public administration and safety and

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among over sixty fives, main freight off it falls eight
point five percent despite revenue lift. You can find out
more at inziherld dot co dot nz. Mack Marta, matt
Ethan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
Thank you very much forraylian So. A parking dispute in
Auckland's Wetemere boiled over when dairy owner confronted a Taco
Loco customer inside the restaurant, causing a heated scene outside
before things were brought under control. It appears the driver
in question started the water works. But should this ten
minute car park just be for this particular dairy owner?
One hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call?

Speaker 3 (23:37):
The sex says you can't just kick the door down
of a restaurant and start abusing people of parking violations.
You're a dairy only, and no you're not the cops.
Swearing and yelling at people and crying in a restaurant
is uncalled for. I feel sorry for this nice lady.
It's a few factual mistakes and sticks.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Yeah, let's break it down.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
And I blame you, tyler. You mustn't explained the story.
Probably that person's got it that.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
Rong of muddy the waters. But let's let's break it down.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
He didn't kick the door down of the restaurant. I
did say storm so he stormed him. But you looked
that back, Yeah, I walked that back. There was no storming.
He was frustrated that the woman had at in front
and the temporary temporary ten minute parking at all times
in front of us restaurant, stopping customers coming and sorry,
in front of us deiry stopping customers coming to was dairy, right, correct,
So he went into the restaurant. He pointed at tables

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until he found out who it was.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Yep, there was pointing going on.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
And then no yelling, no yelling. Neither Taco Loco or
the dairy owner is saying there's any yelling. But then
the woman started yelling and the dairy owner wasn't crying.
The woman was crying. Yes, so he wasn't swearing and
yelling at people are crying in the restaurant.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Good to clarify.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
And also, you don't know it's a nice lady. You
don't know anything about the lady. We don't have any
information about the lady that I feel sorry for this
nice lady. How do you know she's nice.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
And feed She could argue she's not nice in this circumstance.
She might be in other elements of life. She might
be the nicest person in the world. She also might
be a serial killer. We have no information on her.
She does love a taco though, clearly we know that.
Oh and under an eighty ten eighties.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
That's all we know.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
That's all we know of the stage.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
All we know is that she doesn't care about temporary
parking and she loves tark We know.

Speaker 6 (25:11):
I reckon, I reckon.

Speaker 14 (25:12):
It was probably Judith Colins.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Oh Jesus, don't throw that into the make.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
We don't know.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
We don't know, we don't know.

Speaker 3 (25:18):
We don't know it was, But we don't know what.

Speaker 14 (25:24):
Crush the Colin. I just think the dairy owners like lucky.
He didn't get a warning from the police. I'm disorderly behavior.

Speaker 8 (25:32):
I wasn't there.

Speaker 14 (25:33):
I can't read, but I'll read read into it too much.
But I've seen people to get exasperated and throw the
pools out of the cot at little things like this.
So there's a shop that sells supplements for for steroid guys,
for bodybuilders, and you know, I parked outside there and
walked into the next door. Nay was shot and this
muscle bound creature comes out and.

Speaker 8 (25:53):
Go, pop Dune.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
I just did mate and he goes.

Speaker 8 (25:59):
You know, you can't parker as more shot.

Speaker 15 (26:01):
So I pay rates to buddy.

Speaker 16 (26:02):
You got a problem, you know, go get counseling.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
And what was that was that, Johnny? Was there a
clearly marked temporary parking zone that you picked up?

Speaker 14 (26:13):
And Hendy of those homemade signs.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
That homemade doesn't count for anything.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
Yeah take a warm money. Yeah yeah, I don't care
how many. I don't care how roydd you up? You
are her homemade side.

Speaker 17 (26:29):
It's going to when you deal with the public and people.

Speaker 14 (26:32):
If you're in a business, it's your profile, it's your
public image, and I think always being respectful even when
people are in the role it might be some old
bat or medication or like my mum, God rest his soul,
but mummy, some outrageous parking parker wars and stuff.

Speaker 7 (26:49):
People come out and she's.

Speaker 14 (26:51):
Been driving for seventy years with your hair to crash.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
Yeah, I mean that's the thing as well. I think
if you're called Johnny, you know we don't know anything
about the war. We've been calling her entitled. We've been
saying that she's a taco edict. We don't know anything
about her. She might have not even seen the temporary
ten parking thing and she might have been blindsided by it,
but doesn't sound like no. Actually, we do know that
she she started yelling and she was abusive. Yep, So

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she didn't because I imagine in that circumstance if I'd
parked there and I hadn't noticed the ten minutes someone
come in and said, hey mate, you can't pack in there,
I'd go, oh sorry, sorry, sorry sorry. I'll just shove
this turco into my face, just finish my case, just
slam these fish tacos, and I'll get out of here.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
So the words, actually, what we do know this is
the words from mister Pateell. She got very angry saying
lots of bad words. I didn't say bad words. I
was calm, okay, all right. So there's one side of
the story.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
And Taco Loco backs up that he wasn't angry. Is
that correct?

Speaker 2 (27:45):
I made that up, no notes, but they said, so
here's the quote from Taco Laco's manager.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
It's hard to say Taco Loco, Taco Loco.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
I think mister Bateall was a bit upsets. He went
to the tables pointing fingers, but he certainly didn't raise
his voice.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
But pointing pointing is almost as pointing someone points. Look,
I'm pointing at you right now. Yeah, it's quite aggressive,
it is.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Do I have to walk back the waggon? I don't
know if there was any waggon going on. I think
it's the movement of the pointing that metters Thomas. What
do you say?

Speaker 14 (28:16):
Oh?

Speaker 11 (28:16):
Yes, I'm an next cop. I was now retired now
in the seventies. I think I've got the perfect solution
here for the dairy owner. Yes, if the dairy owner
is losing money because of this, and it's worthwhile therefore
doing a bit more observing by first of all registering
on a thing called road watch at the police website,

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you can register become a member of road Watch, and
therefore you can report in, send photos, upload photos, etc.
Of any offenses that happen on the road, including parking.
So you put in you put in a road watch
membership first of all, once you're approved and all of that,
simply take a photo of the car that's parked over
the ten minute period.

Speaker 12 (28:59):
You upload that.

Speaker 11 (29:00):
To road Watch, you say that we've observed it there
from this time to that time, which is obviously exceeds
ten minutes. And the next step is to go and
talk to a fallow business operator which is the taco shop,
and say, look, you're own business. Likely we're both trying
to make a dollar. How about put this notice on
your rare reception desk that parking in the over ten
minutes zone or under ten minute you're going to definitely

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get a ticket because there's been one hundred tickets issued
so far. Right, So that's the solution here. No need
for abuse, shouting, shouting, yelling and everything. Just simply do
it the legal way. And they are issuing road Watch
do immediately same day issued tickets to the owner of
the villa. Yeah, and by law, the owner of the
vehicle's required to identify the driver because if he doesn't

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he fits the bill.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
Well you go, Thomas, So I'm just there right now.
Please dotgut dot z's Community road Watch form. The Community
Roadwatch Program has been designed to use by New Zealand
police to advise the owner of a motor vehicle about
the unsafe risky driving behavior you observed and reported. While
you do not watch the offender to be prosecuted. The
police will regard your report as confidential and accordance with
the provisions of the law. As that has related to

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the prime it's the disclosure of your information.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
But the problem is there though, as that Well, whilst
whilst our dairy owner goes through all that and while
this woman's in the in the Tarco Loco smashing tacos,
having a great time, he's missed all that business for
that one hour that she's in there. Yeah, so that's
potentially how many because you know, how long does it
take to get in now the dairy three minutes, So

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you know he's potentially lost twenty customers in that time. Yeah,
you know, while he's filling out the form, he's going
to this kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
That's right, and by the time that's done, the offender
is long gone. Can I call her an offender? Yep,
But go in there and wag your finger around and
then she's out of there, and then people can keep
moving through in front of your Dairrea in orderly fashion. Yeah,
what do you say, oh, one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is that I'm to call nine two nine two.
And got an email here from a pharmacy owner who's
also had some issues with P ten parking, So we'll

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get to that very soon as well.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
What does that policeman say about slashing their tires and
smashing their windows? That policeman want to said, don't do that.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
Yeah, you're pretty sure he's anti on that, but you
never know.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
The police officer suggested going to community road watch, I
imagine is not pro smashic, you know, slashing tiers and
smashing watch.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
I think that's a good call. It is sixteen to two,
beg very shortly.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons news
Talk say'd.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
Be thirteen to two. So we're talking about a parking dispute.
Over a P ten car park outside a dairy owner.
The dairy owner feed up with customers at a local
restaurant using it stormed into the restaurant. Sorry, sorry, walked
into the restaurant.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
Stop adding, but you don't know to the story mate,
keep doing that and got into a bit of a
confrontation with the person who had parked in that particular
car park.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
So was he right to do that? I wait one
hundred and eighty ten eighties number to call.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
We're trying to get hold of the dairy for a chat.
By the way, we are, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
So we'll get a more sort of eyewitness description what's
going on, rather than Tyler adding was like stormed in
that we.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
Don't know whether they happened or not.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
I think that's important to do. Murray, what's your take
on this?

Speaker 8 (32:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (32:12):
I live a million miles away, but I do no
Garnett Road.

Speaker 8 (32:16):
Let's get back to basics.

Speaker 18 (32:18):
What's the definition of a dairy.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
What's the definition of a dairy?

Speaker 16 (32:23):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
It's a shop that sells groceries.

Speaker 18 (32:26):
It's a convenience store.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
Oh yes it is. Yeah, it's a good description of it,
all right.

Speaker 18 (32:32):
And my guess is that the sign outside for ten
minutes recognizes that the dairy is a convenience where people
go in and come out very quickly. And my guess
is the council put that ten minute sign there.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
For that very reason.

Speaker 18 (32:49):
Yep, there we go. That's my argument. That's a convenience
store and the sign fits it perfectly. It doesn't fit
a restaurant where you sit down for an hour or more.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
Yeah, and it's such that multiple people can go through
and conveniently buy their products on their way home or
where going. That's where you have the ten minute say yeah,
good on him, Good on him. Murray, what a good
way to describe the situation.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
That is a very fair argument. Plenty of texts coming
through on nine to nine to two. This one says, kiddo, guys,
the dairy owner is absolutely right in this situation. It's
a shame that he got so fed up that he
needed to go into the restaurant and question the customers.
But I can see where he's coming from. He runs
a business. He relies on that car park for people
to swoop in there and get what they need from

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the dairy. The restaurant doesn't need it as much. But
also they are in the right as well. Shame on
this particular lady. We need more courtesy in this country.
That's from Donna.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
I went for a blood test and a woman came
in and where they have cones for the blood pickup,
she chucked it over the fence. I told her off.
She didn't care. She told me to f off.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Oh cheap is okay?

Speaker 3 (33:57):
I mean that's really bad because that's you know, people
are giving blood. Yeah, so you know you're affecting the
you know, potentially life saving blood being taken away.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Yeah, that is horrendous.

Speaker 10 (34:06):
Now.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
I did mention an email we've got from a pharmacy
owner about P ten parking problems, and here it is
get a Matt and Tyler. The reason for temporary parking
zones outside businesses are not only for the business owners
to carry out business, but also for the customers. I
own a pharmacy and get complaints from elderly customers having
to walk so far simply because the cafe customers park

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their cars in a P ten zone and sit in
the cafe all morning. If you are able bodied and
can walk them, respect the parking limit and the business
is there along with their patrons.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
This says, why don't you why doesn't the dairy start
selling tacos? Well, that's a good point. Will that solve the.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
Problem where they go to war with taco loco has that?
I don't know, you want to go to war with
the lady she's long gone.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
Yeah, I don't know if they will solved the problem.
I think there would just be some people coming to
the dairy by too tacos and other people parking while
they went with the restaurant for an hour to eat tacos.
I think there'd be more tacos in the mix, but
arguably no less violation of the ten minute temporary parking situation.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Yeah, nicely said mate. Right, keep those schools coming through.
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. What is your view?
It is nine minutes to two, big, very shortly.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
Matt Heath Tylor Adams taking your calls on Oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tyler
Adams Afternoons.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
News Talks ENV News Talks AB it is seven to
two this ranger driving and titled woman needs to stop
stuffing her face with tacos? Is the texasn't from me?
And I'm just going to push back on this.

Speaker 5 (35:35):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
There's a lot of people filling in parts of the
story they haven't been shared me. This ranger driving and
title woman needs to stop stuffing her face with tackles
and waddle down to a park a few hundred meters away.
Sounds like she needs the exercise. It's not a busy area, Okay,
a ranger driver. I don't think she's a ranger driver. No,
we don't know anything about what she's driving. We don't

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know if she's stuffing her face with tacos. We don't
know if she wattles or walks, and we don't know
if she needs the exercise. There's so many people.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
There's a lot of wild assumptions there as novelists in
the details of the story. Yeah, could have been drue,
but we just don't know.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
Speaking of details with the story, we had some communication
with the wife of the dairy owner, Missus Patel, and
she wasn't keen to come on here, lovely lady. Yes,
but she has suggested to her husband that he not
going to the dairy next time.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
That's a good wife right there.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
She said that this isn't this isn't solving the problem.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
Yeah, that's a very good woman right there. Keep those
teacher coming through a nine two nine two and taking
new calls on our eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty.
I think we've got time to have a chat with Rhonda.

Speaker 4 (36:43):
Ronda.

Speaker 19 (36:44):
Hello. Look, I'm a first time caller, so I'm not
sure if I'm going to be able to do this justice.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
So far, DA sounding great, so far.

Speaker 19 (36:53):
I was a bit triggering because I've been sorely affected myself.
It was about seven months after COVID lockdowns, but I
was punished. I felt sorely punished. On top of that,
it was parking for about ten more months. I had
no legal you know time frames. Outside there were five

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of us in a block and two retail, I know,
three retail and two service, and the retirement village in
our area did extensive renovations, and all their caregivers, you know,
the cooks, the laundry, they all parked all day from
what seven o'clock shifts right through for the entire day

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outside all of our shops and our customers couldn't get
in for me, So that conversation was triggering. So I
would justlike my opinion would be. I think, mister Pittel,
that it wasn't the lady he was attacking. It was
actually the car.

Speaker 20 (37:58):
It was the fact that that car was there, and
it was three weeks worth of cars, so it just
happened to be that lady's car, you know, And it
was not personal to that lady, but it would be
quite triggering for him, you know, the next car.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
And yeah, sorry, Rohondo Weeth let you go. But you,
for a first time caller, you articulated yourself perfectly.

Speaker 11 (38:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
I mean that's the thing. You've got to think about
the person's business. So you might want to go and
smash taco, so get it, yep. But this person needs
to have customers coming and going so they can stand business.
Just then they're not a fortune five hundred company.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
As someone said, absolutely what a great discussion that was.
Thank you very much to everyone who text and called
on that one. Stand By Finance Minister Nikola Willis is
about to present her two thousand and twenty six budget,
where you are going to be joined by Brad Olsen
from Infra Metrics to crunch the numbers and tell you
what it all means for you. That is coming up
very soon great debut company. This Thursday afternoon, you're listening

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to Matt and Tyler. We'll be back with the budget
twenty twenty six.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
Next election year usually leads to speak spending promises and
some big treats. But with the economic backdrop, are we
getting the usual lolly scramble or is there some pain
on the way? Budget twenty twenty six on Matt Heath

(39:20):
and Taylor Adams afternoons us talks.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
Be a very good afternoon, chear, Welcome in. It is
seven past two and the budget has been revealed for
twenty twenty six. Exciting, exciting, So here's a couple of
top lines for you. Joining us very shortly as Brad
awsome with a couple of top lines. There are no
specific cost of living payments in this budget or Sugar
Hitster's Finance Minister and Nicola Willis did indicate, but there

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is certainly a few surprises in there. Box are set
to return to surplus earlier than expected. The budget is
supporting record health funding of thirty four point two billion
dollars and there is some changes to beout kancer screenings
as well as investment in education trades and a lot
more to break down over the next hour to help

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us do that. We are joined right now by Inframetrics
chief executive and principal economist Brad Olson, who's been in
the lock up and it's just out Brad, afternoon to you.

Speaker 4 (40:14):
Hello, team, how's it going very good?

Speaker 3 (40:16):
Thanks now, Brad. I've just written some potential names for
the budget, so as I go through, just say yes
or no if they count. The bread and butter budget. Yeah, yeah,
the brutal bureaucrat bashing budget.

Speaker 4 (40:31):
Oh it's a bit too harsh.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
Okay, that's what about the tough love budget. Yeah, that's
more on the no solutions just trade off's budget a
bit long, the stash the cash budget, yeah, getting there.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
Okay, okay, all right, see this is why you get
paid the big bucks bread. You've got a critical little guys.

Speaker 4 (40:52):
I've called it the little b budget.

Speaker 15 (40:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (40:55):
There's no big, one massive thing you usually having a
budget that's you know, the centerpieces everyone's talking about. There's
lots of little things, very little for an individual household,
but lots of other structural changes. I think the government's
trying to fund, so an unusual a little bit for
election year. Certainly, no sugar hits.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
Yeah, so the little b budget. All right, that's a
good name. So let's kick into the surplus now that
is expected to be a little bit earlier from twenty
twenty nine to twenty thirty, depending on how the measure
is used, of course, Brad, how significant was that in
terms of what Nicola Willis had to do to try
and get that surplus a little bit earlier than expected.

Speaker 4 (41:30):
Well, there's been a huge amount of heavy lifting to
get that suitfluss back on the cards over the next
sort of five or six years. The Treasury is now
expecting an extra ten point eight billion dollars worth of
revenue taxes collected and similar compared to what they would
have thought back in December, so a huge amount more
on the revenue front. On the spending side, the government's
had to be very very limited. They've got to fund

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a huge amount more healthcare. They've got to fund more
in the way of superannuation. But through all of that,
they're only spending a net seven hundred and seventy million
dollars more over that forecast period. So they've had to
find a lot of savings, a lot of cutbacks in
other areas to pay for it. Now Treasury has also
said this return to surplus in twenty nine or thirty
depending on the measure. They're putting sort of a fifty

(42:14):
to sixty percent chance on things. There's a lot of
volatility out there. No one's particularly certain about what economic
conditions will be like, even in the next six minutes
rather than next sort of you know, six years, So
big question marks still, but yes, a big change coming
because the government has been trying to get to this
position for a while.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Were there any indications on where extra savings came from
within this buzz a budget. Rather, we've already been told
that it's going to come through some cutbacks in the
public service, obviously the removal of that funding for the
fees free last year. Were there any other cuts that
were revealed in this budget?

Speaker 4 (42:50):
Those were most of them coming through one of the
other switch arounds though that you did see, And probably
the biggest sort of single piece of the budget, although
it's still not worth a huge amount, was some extra
funding that the government is bringing through from adding a
prudential levy basically a bank tax on the bank so
that they have to pay for their own regulation. Like
when we look through some of the figures that did

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seem to be an area where there was a little
bit more revenue showing through from this bank levy a
bit more as well from fuel excise charges, duties, your
road user charges going up in the future. So some
of it. A lot of this, in my mind is
user pays. So it's not so much that I mean
governments found a lot of savings. Yes, they've also tried
to change the revenue piece around. I think though that

(43:30):
there is a much greater focus on user pays. So
instead of just general taxes paying for stuff, if you're
using a service, if you're getting a benefit, you're paying
for it a whole lot more as well.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
So how do we do we know how that levy
is going to work on the banks.

Speaker 4 (43:43):
Well, the idea is that they'll pay something. I suspect
it will probably be some sort of proportion you know,
of profits or something. It's expected to raise two hundred
and nine million dollars over the next four years, so
it's not huge, let's be clear. It's just over fifty
million year, and it'll be paid through to the Reserve
Bank because you know, one of the regulators are there,

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and then the Reserve Bank will then effectively pass that
money back through for set government through an increased dividend. Now,
what was very interesting though, is that, like, let's be clear,
two hundred and nine million is a huge amount of
money for you or I From a government point of view,
it's pretty limited. But during the press conference with the
Finance Minister she made it pretty clear that there was
much stronger talk of an even bigger levy, but she

(44:27):
couldn't get it across the line with Cabinet. So it's
not clear if that was ACT or New Zealand first
who was trying to hold things back, but there was
clearly more on the cards, but they just couldn't get
it through.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
What growth is forecast for this to be pulled off
and is that realistic do you think.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
Brad Well?

Speaker 4 (44:43):
I mean, there's a bit more coming forward in the
short term, it's going to of course be a whole
lot more challenging. You know that this Iran war situation
is definitely going to sort of crimp matters going forward.
But if you look at that sort of growth heading
into the future, two point sorry three point one percent
gendp growth being inspected out in twenty twenty seven and

(45:04):
then sort of remaining at that level in twenty twenty eight,
so you know, that'd be the fastest in a couple
of years. Probably the big one as well. It's certainly
something the government's been focusing on is the fact that
employment growth is expected to sort of hit above two
percent from twenty twenty seven for a couple of years.
So that growth in people getting jobs and seeing wages
generally but also even wages on an inflation adjusted basis rising.

(45:28):
But you know, clearly there's a focus at the moment
on trying to get that growth as you're going, and
that higher economic growth is where you get that sort
of higher revenue for government. If you know there's better
economic activity, there's clearly more profits from businesses, there's more
spending by households, there's more people in paying income tax,
so all of that growth sort of adding to the
tax base over time. So a real reversal. You'll probably

(45:50):
remember a couple of years ago we seem to just
keep downgrading the government finances because times were tough and
all these difficulties were showing through. I feel like we're
now moving back to potentially having overdone how bad things
might get. We're now starting to look a bit more optimistic,
maybe over optimistic, but looking greener good.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
Can you explain to me why ACC isn't being factored
into reaching the service the surplus.

Speaker 4 (46:16):
Well effectively to make the numbers look a little bit better,
it would be the easiest way to no. I mean,
a couple of years ago, the government came out we've
always used this thing called the obergal, the operating balance
before gains and losses, which tries to give us an
idea of effectively when it comes to sort of day
to day spending, is government spending more or less than
its earning and obergaill X is excluding ACC. And that

(46:39):
was because at the time ACC didn't look like it
was going to be able to pay for it south
sort of in the short term. Over the long term
it would fund it, but it was paying out more
and more for all of those injuries and accidents than
it was making back in terms of investment returns. So
the government decided to strip it out of the surplus
figures to try and give a They would call it
a bearer read of things because ACC should be self

(47:02):
paying over time, but maybe not in any one given year.
You can sort of choose. I think the biggest one
for me is that if one of the features, if
the Obergar Lex was sort of looking really good, but
your normal the og Obergal wasn't, you'd been asking some questions.
They're both moving in the same direction, though it's just
a bit of a timing difference depending on exactly which
year you want to choose.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
That is good news, Brad. We're going to take a
quick break, but when we come back, let's dig into infrastructure.
There's been a sizeable boost in infrastructure spending, so we'll
get to that next. It is a quarter pass to
if you've got a question, by all means, nine two
ninety two is the text number. We are breaking down
Budget twenty twenty six. Quarter past two. Bag very shortly.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
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Speaker 2 (47:49):
Be it's eighteen past two and we're crunching the numbers
and budget twenty twenty six and joining us is in
for Metrics, Chief executive from Principal Economists, Brad Olsen. Brad,
let's break down the boost to rail. Winston Peters is
going to be very happy with this. Amount of money
going into rail over the four years.

Speaker 4 (48:09):
Willie what I mean, the government's given one point zero
seven five billion. I hope that next for points seventy
five billion is important an investment. I mean, to be fair,
that's over just four years, so that's like two hundred
and fifty millie plus some additional money that's going into
keeping our metro rail systems going forward. I mean, look,

(48:30):
there's clearly been a lot of focus on rail over time.
We know as well that you know, with the fuel
crisis going on at the moment, that keeping the tracks
going is an expensive issue. So the more that we
can think about that sort of rail investment is important.
A lot of this is sort of I'm not going
to say, Baru, it's just a continuation of further levels
of investment you've seen the last couple of years. You know,

(48:52):
there's focuses around trying to sort of you know, put
the right investments in for the right tracks as well
as you know, having the right rail cars and all
of that. I mean, it's one of those things Winston
Peters will be very happy. It's probably one of those
things we almost hope that the average KI he doesn't
see that effect only because stuff should just move through

(49:12):
the night or you know, not have as many traps
on the roadways.

Speaker 3 (49:16):
Is this renewal or is this building new infrastructure in rail?

Speaker 4 (49:23):
There's elements of both looking through it. The government hasn't
provided sort of heaps of detail because it's sort of
funding the investment program, but it does look like these
sort of elements of I guess it looks like more
upgrades of some of the core stuff that was already
looking to go on. You know, they'll put new tracks
and sleepers and ballast, and they need to do some
slope remediation and you know, effectively, after all this awful

(49:45):
rain we seem to have had through the first half
the year and previously there's a number of sort of sites.
They're still operational, but clearly they need a bit more resilience.
Edited they're also trying to get through some of the
backlog they've created over time on the rail front. I
think one of the big changes is that you've seen
sort of a bit of a funding shift over time,
so there's actually a bit more money coming from rail itself.

(50:06):
You know, it's a bit more commercially competitive now to
use rail, and it's funding itself, So a bunch of renewals,
a bunch of new investment and getting stuff up to
scratch as well.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
And is it metropolitan or into city sort of rail situation.

Speaker 4 (50:21):
Some of it's going to be that sort of intercity
and more I guess around freight. But there are specific
investments in some of the backlogs of renewals across both
Auckland and Wellington's metro network, so you know they're trying
to get effectively that service reliability up. And I mean,
you guys see this in Auckland ride every time that
something breaks down on the rail tracks, it brings everyone
to a literal standstill. Down here in Wellington we have

(50:41):
the same thing. No one wants to go and sit
on a bus when you thought you were taking a
nice fast train. So I think it's probably one of
those things that's not like you'll necessarily see huge amounts
of new, shiny stuff. It's just trying to get the
damn things working more consistently instead of the sort of
stop start progress we might have had before.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
That'll be music to the heads of a lot of
Auckland does an Walentonians for that matter.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
So when St Peters says New Zealand have invested sweat,
blood and tears to build the national rail network. Previous
governments led it right, So is it's safe to say
that that Winston has pushed hard on this one and
maybe the government it's not rarely the government's dream project,
the national government's dream.

Speaker 4 (51:21):
I think you've probably got a balance right, Yes, Winston
Peters has got a fair amount for rail. There's a
lot of other stuff too that the rest of government
will be happy with seven billion dollars total in terms
of an additional boost to capital spending. And I think
this is where you probably see it play out a
lot more across sort of government priorities. You've seen, you know,
a lot that's gone into other parts of the transport network.

(51:42):
So the government is specifically funding one point seven odd
billion for an extension to the Wycato Expressway between Cambridge
and Prairie. So that's been talked about for a while.
It's ready to go. It's got a good return, you know,
for every dollar invested it should bring back sort of
nearly three dollars coming through, so that's important. And the
other big one, especially again after all this wild weather,

(52:04):
is there's an extra four hundred million being allocated for
state highway resilience projects. So you know the fact that
the y we could gorge through, the Gisbone's been out
of commission, State Highway three gorge, the Alquino Gorge through
for New Plymouth, There's you know State Hiway twenty five
around Criminal There's a huge number of these things where
every time we have some world where the our communities
get cut off. So that's important the big one for

(52:27):
me in the real focus. I don't have any numbers
because it's all commercially sensitive, but government have committed to
a new one hundred and fifty eight bed tower block
up in fanged A Hospital. They are putting more money
into getting new hospital developments, redevelopments for Todo on Hawk's
Bay and Parniston North hospitals. There's more coming through for

(52:48):
you know, schools and similar in Queenstown. So I think
you're seeing a much greater focus on some of that
social infrastructure alongside resilience of what our transport networks need,
and just.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
On hospitals as well. Brad, there is budget for a
new hospital in South Auckland.

Speaker 4 (53:04):
Yeah, so they're looking to acquire some land down in
the south of all. Again very sort of hush hush
as to exactly what it will what it will cost,
and where exactly it will be. But look, the focus
I think near as you're seeing that population growth continue
over time in South Auckland. There's a clear need for it.
And again we know that you know that the more

(53:24):
money that goes into to health often you sort of
see that return if you can get people moving through
the house system quicker and more efficiently, so instead of
having to sort of have people that are moving out
or having to go to existing hospitals. This focus is
very much on those growing populations, not only in South
Auckland but also that sort of northern White Cuttle area.

(53:45):
It's a big sort of growth node for the country,
which is great, but if you don't have the services,
you create bottlenecks in other areas. So yeah, the big
thing here right, it's not going to be built tomorrow,
but by getting the land ahead of time before it
gets even more expensive, means that the sort of plan
is in motion to build that sooner rather than later.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
And a one hundred and fifty eight bed war to
tower at fung on A's Hospital. Was this something that
was muted in advance.

Speaker 4 (54:08):
Well, we've talked. I mean we've talked about it for
a long time. My hometown is fun today and I
can tell you having been, you know, having to visit
family members in the hospital when one of the windows
literally just fell out of it's fixing and fell to
the ground. I mean the place is not a bit
lol inbusted, that's pretty old inmbusted that there needs a
bit more work. And again the North is growing and
Sunday based Hospital was a big part of you know,

(54:31):
the health infrastructure of North and so yeah, it was
a little bit foreshadowed. You've seen a bit of that
in terms of you more money for the road, for
a courthouse. There's a few more police stations as well
being built. One on the west coast. I think a
bit of remediation in the Greymouth police station, I think
it was so. Yeah, Look, there is a big focus
on trying to get some of that sort of social
structure going so that we've got the right services around

(54:51):
the country.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
And also looking at a temporary ICU at Palmerston North
Hospital and a fit out of an impatient unit at
Total Hospital. So quite a bit of health stuff in't there.

Speaker 14 (55:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
That's going to be very popular, you would say, Brad,
just hold there. We're going to take a quick break.
But when we come back, we're getting a few texts
on nine two nine two, particularly around businesses, so we'll
put that to you and also have a chat about
if there's anything there in regards to fuel prices. At
the moment it is twenty five pass two. We are
joined by Brad Olsen Infometrics chief executive and principal economists

(55:22):
breaking down Budget twenty twenty six.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
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Speaker 2 (55:35):
Twenty seven pass TI. When we're crunching the numbers in
Budget twenty twenty six alongside Brad Olsen, chief executive and
principle economists with Informetrics. Brad, there's a Texas come through
and there's a few in this regard as well, but
here's the one I've picked out. Geta guys and Brads,
is there anything special for small business? Do they still
have tax and centers for purchasing new capital etc. That's

(55:57):
from Shane.

Speaker 4 (55:59):
Yeah, look the investment boosts from last budget, it hasn't
gone anywhere, it's still there, so you you can sort
of write stuff off a little bit quicker with that
effective advanced appreciation. There's other sort of a few other
changes coming through as well that helpful. Again, probably nothing
major for a lot of businesses.

Speaker 3 (56:17):
They're oh, might have just lasts you back, Brad, I
think we lost about fifteen We lost about twenty seconds
of what you were saying. So if you jump best stuff,
you sounded like you're about to lean into something really
good and then you just appear it disappeared, So we've
got to hear it.

Speaker 4 (56:35):
Sorry about that. What we have seen in this budget,
alongside investment boost from last budget continuing is a bit
more of a sort of simplification and some easing in
the research and development text credit. Probably not necessarily focused
as much on real small businesses, given that they've reduced
the non administrative internal software cap from twenty five to

(56:57):
three mil, but basically what they're trying to do is
get people investing a bit more in software and technology.
That's good. Also a bit of a shift in the
fringe benefit tax around how much admin you might have
to do as a small business owner around using your
own private vehicle so there's some useful things in there.
Probably the big one though that's coming through potentially for
sort of investment and people thinking about their investments overseas

(57:20):
is the fact that the sort of overseas investment taxes
that the threshold used to be that you had to
pay tax if you had any holdings over fifty k,
that's been doubled to one hundred k. So a whole
lot of small investors are probably going to have slightly
easier tax treatment the next year or two.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
Right, So that's sort of the chass type people.

Speaker 4 (57:39):
Yeah, yeah, that's exactly exactly right. So just a bit
easier to sort of do some of the admin. I mean,
that's sort of a centerpiece of this budget. Is nothing
too big and flashy. You're not getting anything really on
that investment side being taken away from last year, so
that continues in as good. But just trying to make
the ADMIN burden a bit easier for small business at
the moment.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
Makes a lot of sense. And there's a lot of
teachts coming through about anythink in regards to the price
of fuel and the governments is going to be setting
aside a fair chunk of funding tell us about that.

Speaker 4 (58:07):
Yeah, So the government has set aside four hundred and
fifty million dollars in a reserve for additional, temporary and
targeted support if conditions worsen on the fuel front. Now,
let's be clear, I don't think that's going to mean
that there's any funding for making fuel cheaper. It's just
more that, look, if things kick off again the Middle East,
if there's major concerns again around you know, certain groups

(58:29):
who are going to be facing those higher, higher prices,
Government's got left itself a little bit of a kitting
to provide some support one though that again, government's talking
a lot about at the moment, and we're still trying
to get a bit of clarity on is at the minute.
Government has legislated increases to your fuel excise duty and
your road user charges from the first of January next year.

(58:49):
The Finance Minister made it very clear at the press
conference today that if fuel prices were where they are today,
she will not be doing that, which I thought was
a pretty big call because if they don't increase those
fuel excise duties and similar it's three hundred million dollars
every six months they've got to find to keep funding
all of our road infrastructure, hotholes, all that sort of stuff.

(59:10):
So effectively, I think what you're seeing is maybe not
any relief at the pump directly from government, but they
are sort of very much looking at how much it
might cost them to not increase things even further if
fuel prices stay where they are.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
To tell you, a lot of people are texting through
Brad and they're from the South Island saying, after listening
to Brad, is there anything for the South Island? This
person says, come on, guys, the North Island gets the
treats from one end to the other and South Island
gets nothing, not even a police station in Greymouth, great
another hospital in South Aupeland, while Central Otago generates the
GSD clip to pay for it and yet again fails

(59:45):
to get a hospital or expanded services. So this so far,
what we're getting on the text machine is the South
Island feeling neglected.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
Mainland is not happy.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
Is that fair?

Speaker 4 (59:56):
That's potentially fair. Although there was some time that you
should see my set up at the moment, I've got
papers glor every week one.

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
So everywhere there.

Speaker 4 (01:00:07):
Was a it was a big investment for health infrastructure
coming through in Central Otaga that was announced I think
a couple of a week or so back. I'm just
trying desperately to find the right part of it, because look,
you're right, I mean especially right with population growth showing
through around the likes of Central Otago Queenstown, but also
you know through parts of Greater Canterbury there's a lot

(01:00:27):
that's been happening there as well. I cannot find it
for the life me in front of me, but I
do know there was funding that was coming through for
health infrastructure in that area. So part of it, I
think is also that you know that that announcement came
out pre budget because of how much focus there has
been in recent times. But you go through Queen Ctain.
Someone said to me the other day, if they don't
put investments into Queenstown transport in the near term, you

(01:00:50):
know there'll be congestioned in fifteen years. I don't think
the guy's ever been there. Queenstown is congested enough. Pressure
is very random.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Brat just old there. We're going to
play some kid lines and get back. There's plenty more
to discuss, and we are going to be joined as
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Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
Thank you very much. Ray Lean. It is twenty three
to three and we are breaking down Nikola Willis's twenty
twenty six a budget and we are joined by Informetric's
chief executive and principal economist, Brad Olsen. So, Brad, let's
have a chat about this particular announcement within the budget.
It's very interesting. Donation rules are going to be changing
quite significantly.

Speaker 4 (01:02:51):
Yeah, so the government's announced so at the moment, right
you can get a tax credit if you go and donate,
and at the moment that's effectively uncapped. And so the
government is now going to make it so that you
are capped at donating one hundred thousand dollars a year.
I mean again, my current donation scheme is not quite
that high, and so you can only get the tax
cutted up to one hundred k. Though. What's really interesting

(01:03:13):
is why this is happening, and it's because there are
some people out there to effectively donate every year to
their own charitable enterprise business, you know, charitable service. They
do so much that it all becomes a very big
text writer for them, so they can sort of, you know,
they can move it from their personal money or business
money through to the charitable arm and then do a

(01:03:34):
bunch of charitable stuff. That's all good and well, but
it's sort of not designed that you know, you can
do that. It's more so that you and me when
we go and donate, there's a reason too. And so
the government sort of said that's their focus. They are
going to sort of provide that support, particularly around sort
of nonprofit organizations. So they want to enable, yes, people
to still do it, but not for people to sort
of wrought it too much.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
Yeah, very good. Right, it is time to welcome in
new stalks there bs in your political correspondent, Barry Soaper. Barry,
thank you very much for joining us.

Speaker 9 (01:04:03):
Good afternoon, gentlemen.

Speaker 3 (01:04:05):
So Brad he's called it the little b budget.

Speaker 21 (01:04:08):
You've got a name for it, Barry, Well, I call
it the bread and margarine budget, with the butter belonging
to Winston Peters because he's wallowing in the vat now.

Speaker 9 (01:04:19):
Because if her names Winston Peters and you're in charge
of the ministry, your ministry is pretty well looked after him.
And you look at foreign affairs for example, and I
remember a time and Brad you'll remember this when Winston
I think he got half a billion dollars for foreign
affairs out of one of the budgets. And now, of
course he's got more money one hundred and forty five

(01:04:40):
million dollars for diplomatic the diplomatic network overseas. He's got
more for the Pacific twenty million bucks for the Pacific
Islands Forum here next year, which he's got to get anyway.
But then the big one, and this is capital expenditure,
and that's where you know, a lot of not surprise
but big money went and it was expected to just

(01:05:03):
over a billion dollars has been committed to Kiwi Rowl's
plan network to be implemented next year between next year
in twenty thirty. The other thing about this budget is
that Nikola Willis has kept an rmo's credit rating agencies
because they are very important. And that's why the surplus
that she is announced today is extraordinarily important because the

(01:05:28):
rating agencies look at that, look at the intent of
this government, not a big social spend here, which I
think is the way it should be. Given the tight
physical circumstances that we're facing. But I think you look,
it's bread Margarine because there's really not a lot there
for the social spend. But for Winston Peters it's certainly better.

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
So what about the other coalition partner? Have they done
enough to make agg happy?

Speaker 8 (01:05:55):
Well?

Speaker 9 (01:05:57):
Not as much as are Winston Peters. And we know
that Winston is a pretty hard bargainer. And you know
there's aspects of it there that Act will be with
and you know, I don't think they'll come away unhappy.
The fact is that the coalition partners all appearing together

(01:06:17):
this week out at the budget printing press was important
because normally it's just the Finance minst goes there. But
so clearly all the parties are signed up to it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:29):
Yeah. Well, David Simol said his fingers were all over it.
To me at one point now.

Speaker 9 (01:06:32):
They would be claiming all the good bits, I'm sure.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
So is this a win for the government politically? Does
it help their reelection chances? Do you think?

Speaker 4 (01:06:38):
Barry?

Speaker 9 (01:06:39):
Well, look the thing that wins elections. And Muldoon said this,
dare I say it?

Speaker 4 (01:06:45):
Way back?

Speaker 9 (01:06:46):
He said, put more money in the voter's hit pockets
and you'll win the treasury benches. Well, there's not a
lot of more money going in the hip pockets out
of this budget, and neither there should be because there
are so many unknowns now between now and the election.
We don't know what the hell is going on with
the war in Iran. That could get worse. I see

(01:07:09):
there's been a bit of a flare up in the
straits of Hall Miss today, so you know who knows.
And this is a government I think bringing out a
fiscal document that really it has to look over its
shoulder all the time because it can't be absolute about
the figures that it's talking about today.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
Brad, would you concur with that? What are the optics
of this budget when it comes to the public perception
and the election ahead?

Speaker 4 (01:07:35):
Yeah, I mean, look, I think it's a smart policy move.
There's a lot of good things coming through in this budget,
sort of bitsy pieces across the board. It's not great
probably from a retail politic point of view, because households
won't probably notice a whole lot of themselves. But I
think look equally, I feel like people are probably okay
with it. They realize you can't just keep spending money

(01:07:57):
hand over fist, you know, and expect it to be
magiced out of thin air. So that level of consolidation
that the biggest bit, I think is the focus that
government's had on. Look, we're not going to give money
back to households directly, that is challenging for people, but
we are going to make sure that we're more resilient.
There's more money going into defense, is more money going
into infrastructure, so that when bad times hit, and they will,

(01:08:18):
we're sort of a little bit easier to go through
it rather than sort of being going through the world
all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
Right, plenty more to come. We are joined by Barry
Soaper and Brad Olsen breaking down budget twenty twenty six.
It is seventeen to.

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Speaker 3 (01:08:49):
Now, Barry, what will labor the Greens push back on
the Greens will be celebrating the rail investment. Surely they'll
be jumping up and down and affording that. But what
will they push back on.

Speaker 9 (01:08:57):
They should be popping the Fijoa fizzy corks tonight because
you know, the raal thing is very good. The Greens
have banged on about to rail network. Well, certainly the
money has been put aside for that in the spend
outside of the social spend, so that's not a bad thing.

(01:09:18):
The Labor Party will they will certainly knock the fact
that there's not the spend on those who are struggling
to make ends meet. I mean, there is stuff in there,
but it's not going to impact them the way that
the Labor Party would have hoped should have been impacted.
But you know, you're always going to get winges, and

(01:09:40):
when you're putting out a budget at this time of
severe fiscal restraint, I think they shouldn't have too much
to complain about it in this government in the way
that Nikola Willis and the other two coalition partners have
sat down and come to a pretty good agreement on this.

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
Brad the bell screening age being load of fifty six.
There's a bit of stuff in the bit of expenditure
in the house outside of the infrastructure expended.

Speaker 4 (01:10:09):
Yes, I mean the government's announced that. I mean that
the current rollouts, which is getting down to fifty eight
to start with, is going pretty well. They reckon that
sort of you know, getting feeling fairly close. But then
there's an extra what is it forty five point five
million or so to support the expansion down from fifty
eight through to fifty six that's sort of coming through.

(01:10:31):
That's over sort of the next four years. Is that
there's a bunch of money for just delivering that program
in general, and then also a bit more money for
the infrastructure and the various equipment that they need for
all of those colonoscopies and similar What this is effectively
meaning the government's provided a few more breakdowns of numbers,
more than two hundred thousand additional people will be become
eligible for bow screening. And again the sort of diagnosis

(01:10:54):
you're talking about, they expect on their modeling that they
will save you five hundred or so lives over the
next twenty five years because of those investments. So a
big thing just trying to get it sort of phased
over time. And I think it's interesting looking through how
the government's trying to do this that are clear that
they want to achieve it, but they don't just want
to sort of expand the eligibility and then have huge
wait times for people, So they are trying to sort

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of manage it through the other one. That's really interesting though,
particularly given you know all of that manage my health
cyber risk earlier this year is there's a bit more
money coming for some upgrades for our health data, which
you know is good. That stuff's got to be protected.
It's very very personal. The government is putting in one
hundred and fifty three odd million dollars into Health end

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Z for upgrading the sort of cyber monitoring, getting some
better expertise, just basically making so it's not quite as
shonky as it was before, which I think is a
necessary upgrade.

Speaker 3 (01:11:47):
Berry does this put the Labor Party in kind of
an interesting position here because what they announced they'll do
different or what they would spend or they have to
then now say what they would cut or or how
much they would firew to.

Speaker 9 (01:12:01):
Coveryes it go to be we're awaiting, so they've always said,
and the lead up to this, we're waiting to wait
to see what the budget unveils in terms of money
in the kitty, well, no surprise, there's not a lot
of money in the kitty, so there's not a hell
of a lot they can do in terms of big
spending policies. But you know, it is election year. I

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think this government's resisted, probably against a number of odds
of maybe offering a few tantalizing pieces to going towards
the election. But Labor can't do much more either. It
does it's not being not being terribly honest with the people.

Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
You'll be surprised here that Chloe has been publicly moaning
about the budget, but she hasn't been hasn't mentioned the
trains or celebrated the trains publicly.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
Yeah, funny that I was wrong. I thought they'd be
jumping up and down celebrating the trains.

Speaker 6 (01:12:55):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
Keep those questions coming through on nine to ninety two.
But we are joined by Barry Soper and Brad Olsome.
We've got another few minutes on the other side of
some messages. We will be back very shortly. It is
ten minutes to three.

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun
along the way. Mad Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons. NEWSTALKSB.
Newstalks THEREB.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
It is eight to three. We're breaking down the budget
with infometric sorry. Chief executive and principal economist Brad Alsome
and our senior political correspondent Bowry Soper rights rapid fire
for the closing moments.

Speaker 3 (01:13:31):
Yeah, earlier today I wrote down what I thought that
their budget needed to simultaneously do for New Zealand. So
I'll throw some questions back and forth. Barry. Does it
slow debt growth?

Speaker 9 (01:13:40):
No, it slows it a bit, but not appreciably, so
they've still got to.

Speaker 3 (01:13:44):
Borrow, Brad. Does it keep borrowing markets comfortable?

Speaker 4 (01:13:49):
Comfortable enough for the moment? And again, like Barry said,
it's down a bit, but it's not down enough.

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
Yet, Barry. Does it maintain public services?

Speaker 9 (01:13:57):
Yes, except for some of the public services in terms
of those that are being all about to be merged.
And we saw the Environment Ministry yesterday's scrap, so I
expect more.

Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
Of that, Brad. Is it still growth?

Speaker 4 (01:14:10):
It does a little bit in the short term with
that infrastructure, but sort of further out you go, the
less important the government becomes in the economy, and that's
probably a good thing.

Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
Barry does it invest in infrastructure? Does? In some doesn't it?

Speaker 9 (01:14:22):
It does and we expected a fairly significant capital spend
and that's what this government is delivered in that. But
you know, capital spends on infrastructure do not win elections.

Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
And what about the recessionary pressure brand? Is anything to
avoid recessionary pressure.

Speaker 4 (01:14:41):
Sort of limited from the government in the short term,
But I think you've got better conditions showing through longer term.
So that's where the government will be looking at. Is
that that future piece?

Speaker 3 (01:14:50):
And finally, Barry, is it going to win them the election?

Speaker 9 (01:14:55):
Well that's more than a sixty four thousand dollars question,
a lot more money than that here, but look, I
don't think this will win or lose a government an election.
It's to me, like Nikola will have said the opening
words of her speech is that it's a responsible budget.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
And just finally for both of you. Actually, so if
you had to give this budget a score out of ten, Barry,
what would you go for?

Speaker 9 (01:15:22):
I'd give it about a seven.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
Okay, seven is not bad and bread yeah seven point five?

Speaker 9 (01:15:27):
Oh, you're a brag you are bread?

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
I had to go on or you want to go eight?

Speaker 3 (01:15:32):
Can we get an eight from Barry Oh seven point
seven part.

Speaker 2 (01:15:36):
Okay, there we go, very good.

Speaker 4 (01:15:38):
I'm sticking at seven point five.

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
Yeah, good man, good man, Hey, thank you very much
for coming into both of you really great to catch
up and appreciate your expertise.

Speaker 8 (01:15:47):
Pleasure.

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
That is yeah, thank you very much. That is Barry So,
Senior political correspondent. Infan Metrics Chief executive and principal economist
Brad Olsen Wright tell us what you think, Oh, eight,
one hundred eighty ten eighty is that number of calling.
There's plenty of texts coming through on nine to nine two.
What do you think about this budget? What do you
think about what National and the Coalition government are going

(01:16:08):
to deliver if they win the election? Is there anything
for you if you're a business owner, how do you
feel about the investment in rail? There is plenty to
digest there and we want to hear your thoughts. Give
us a buzz. One hundred and eighty ten eighty is
that number to call New Sport and we're the fast
approaching great you company this afternoon. You're listening to Matt
and Tyler. Stay right here. We'll get to more of

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your feedback very soon.

Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
Do you come out better off in the budget. Call
eight hundred eighty ten eighty and have your say budget
twenty twenty six on Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons
News Talk zeb B.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
Welcome back into the program seven bars three. So what
do you say about the budget? Eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number to call? Here are the top
lines or A two to surplus and new bank levy,
A focus on infrastructure. So the books will return to
a two point six billion dollar surplus in the twenty
twenty eight twenty nine financial year. That's a year earlier
than fourcast. There's record health funding thirty four point two

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billion dollars In the next financial year from September the
bow cancer screening age will allow from fifty eight to
fifty six. Fund at a hospital will get a new ward.
The next phase of the y Cattole Expressway has been funded.
Banks and insurance companies will face a levy to pay
for their regulation. Trades training gets a boost as well
as the government acts as the fees free study. So

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what do you say, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is that number to call? A nine two nine two
is the text number.

Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
Chris says Hey, Fowlers, I think it's a very good
budget with no lollipops pre election. The repurposing of the
freebe UNI fees is awesome. Too many students took the
piss out of the freebie scheme and did not return
for further study. That's from Chrissy the little kiffs after it.
Do you agree with for that, Chrissie?

Speaker 11 (01:19:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
Do you agree with Chrissy? I mean the trades training.
It certainly is a big boost. So is that going
to be a change in your particular life or your
kid's life? O eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (01:19:14):
This Texas says, this is so easy for labor to
win the election now. A proper budget increases benefits and
bad times. A real government hires more public servants and
bad times because that stimulates the economy. The rail spending
is good, but a harbor bridge or something big should
be built to keep people working. It's not like we
don't have the money in this country. Looking around, how
many people are driving flash cars.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
Well, they haven't been shy on infrastructure, to say. The
investment in rail is over a billion dollars. The carry
on with the Wykattow Expressway, but that's not the only
bits of infrastructure. I mean you can put hospitals into
that mix as well. There's funding for a new South
Auckland hospital, fun at a hospital and new warden there.
That's all infrastructure. So I don't think you can say
that this particular government and coalition has been shy on

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infrastructure spending. But if you disagree, by all means, O
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call.
So Nikola Willis, she has been in Parliament discussing her
budget twenty twenty six and here's how she summed it up.

Speaker 22 (01:20:12):
Mister Speaker. New Zealand has a great future ahead of it.
The government's disciplined management means Kiwis can look forward to
a growing economy, effective frontline public services and increased investment
in the things that really matter. We can have all
of that and a strong set of books too. Thanks

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to our care with public money, the government's books will
return to surplus a year earlier than previously expected. But
none of this, colleagues, none of this, members, can be
taken for granted. Delivering these results requires New Zealand to
stay the course. Now is not the time for promises

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of reckless spending and big new taxes.

Speaker 3 (01:21:04):
This budget shows that the.

Speaker 22 (01:21:06):
Government's program of the past two years and a half
is making a difference. We are securing the future and
Kiwis can look forward with confidence. They just need to
choose it. They just need to vote for it. Mister Speaker,
I commend this budget to the House Low.

Speaker 2 (01:21:29):
So that was the Finance Minister Nichola Willis, of course,
summing up her budget twenty twenty six. So tell us
what you think, oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Are
you disappointed? Do you agree that it is staying the
course as she said? And are you a bit gutted?
There was no lollies in this particular budget. We knew
there was going to be no no lollies. Well we
thought there'd be a little bit of the sweetness.

Speaker 3 (01:21:49):
Chrishipkins has said that there's nothing for working families in there,
and that they'll be looking at this budget and saying
they were better off three years ago or words that effect,
whereas Nichola Willis is saying now is not the time
for reckless spending and new taxes. Which way do you
sit on it? Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty It.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
Is eleven past three. Back very shortly U's talk said,
be it is thirteen past three and we're talking about
the budgets.

Speaker 3 (01:22:14):
A couple of texts coming through nothing nothing, nothing, nothing,
nothing for the South Islands? Is this texter? And another
one said what about us in the South do they
even know he exists?

Speaker 2 (01:22:23):
Well, to push back on that, here's a media release
from South Island Minister James Meagher. We've had him on
the show before and he says, in this particular budget,
there is an infrastructure package totally more than one hundred
and fifty million dollars. It's a roading resilience fund. So
Takaka Hill gets around twenty million dollars, Cromwell to Frankton
another thirty million dollars, Franklin to Kingston around twenty million dollars,

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Haas to Hardware gets forty million dollars. Tiano to Milford
Sound around another forty million dollars. So one hundred and
fifty million dollars for roading resilience in the South Island?
South Islanders? Is that enough for you?

Speaker 4 (01:22:58):
Like this?

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
Out of that James Meagh is talking it up.

Speaker 3 (01:23:00):
Well, you know in the Key we rail spend it's
not just in the North Island, is it. That's right, yep,
got a lot of bunch of people. It's funny. But
because there was a you know, a primo for this
saying is there anything in it for you? Might not
be the exact words, but people are here say nothing
in it for Wellington.

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
Wow. I mean there's a big pushback there.

Speaker 3 (01:23:21):
We've got so many papers. Let's look for if there's
something in it for Wellington.

Speaker 2 (01:23:24):
Well, I think, you know, just on that billion dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:23:27):
For talkback hosts in the afternoons.

Speaker 2 (01:23:30):
That's I don't think so. I looked really hard and
I tried to do a week Google search on that.
Just press control left.

Speaker 3 (01:23:36):
A trades training boost is coming at the expense of
the free free, the fees free university trade Trades academies
is something for nationwide. I guess trades academy places are
doubling to twenty thousand over four years, giving school students
the ability to learn trades well at school. This is
interesting because we were talking about this a couple of
weeks ago. We were people were suggesting this money save

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from cutting the fees free policy, we will fund one
thousand more politic places fundings phasing in from the start
of the next twenty twenty seven school year, expected to
eventually increase the amount of people in apprentice. Do you
like that? One hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:24:10):
Come on through nine two nine two is the text? Peter,
what's your thoughts?

Speaker 15 (01:24:15):
The Emperor has no knowledge this thing with the government.
You have to look at what they did when they
came into office. First, they stopped the new ferry, which
would have included lots of infrastructure, lots of jobs and
upgrading infrastructure connecting the two islands, so that they then

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took all this time to figure out how to get
a new one. And I'm not sure whether the cost
of the new facilities applies to this new theory they're getting.

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
Would you accept that the terminal that they would have
had to build for the proposed theories hadn't been budgeted for?

Speaker 15 (01:24:52):
Peter, Well, it just shows you how terrible labor was
when they signed up to the new fairies, and how
poor the current government was for not, you know, making
an election essure and trying to get the two parties
on board of such a critical infrastructure just just spathetic.

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Then we go on to health spending, well, you know,
there's a number of health things that are not necessary.
For example, people who get dehydrated don't drink enough water,
and prevention is better than cure. And I don't see
any effort to try and address prevention. So we don't
get people clogging up the GPS and with a bell.

Speaker 2 (01:25:37):
Sorry to jump in there, but the bell count plenty
of water in the tap. Peter want to hydrate, But
you've got to say, you know the bell cancer for example,
that is that is an effort, that's prevention, right, So
they're dropping that two years and there has been a
significant investment in health and a lot of that is
infrastructure as well, new wards and new hospitals. But you
don't think it goes far enough.

Speaker 15 (01:25:56):
No, No, Well, I spoke to the MP for Fendleton
about how you know type two diabetes for example, is
based you know, diet has a horrendous impact on it. Yeah,
he looked at it and he said, I'm right. Then
he tells me that on the Select Committee, as a
member of the Selectmittey, he has difficulty getting information from

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the bureaucrats. The Olwoodsman said that the on health things,
including myself through the Oldsman I couldn't get things from
the Health department. You know, the bureaucracy and not being accountable.
It's still failing, whether it's this government or the previous government.
It's absolutely dreadful. So do you like the ability? Are you?

Speaker 3 (01:26:39):
Are you happy with the Bells cancer screening age lowering
from lowing to fifty six and forty five million dollars
of funding expand services and funds more than eight hundred
thousand new screenings. That that's going to help a little bit,
isn't it.

Speaker 4 (01:26:52):
Peter?

Speaker 15 (01:26:53):
Well, the thing before screen is you've got to know
what to eat and what not tweet and if you
don't eat enough fiver you're going to be at more risk.
And if you don't know that, well you know it's
ambulance at the bottom of the cliff.

Speaker 3 (01:27:05):
So you think all sort of education on that. You
think this should.

Speaker 15 (01:27:09):
Absolutely and then you look at how much debt servicing
we're paying and it's just like America. The debt servicing
is horrendous. Now did you know America, I found out
this today gets ten percent of their oil from through
the Strait. Did you know that from the Middle East?
Did you know ten percent of their oil?

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
I didn't have the exact figures, but carry on.

Speaker 15 (01:27:30):
And so this person I listened to today was on
Daniel Davis Deep Dive YouTube. He was an all expert
and he was basically saying, what we're facing if you
imagine a person loses twenty percent of their blood ie
fuel from the Middle East, you know the effect. You know,
at the moment, they've got all the reserves out and

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things are not too bad, but you know the government
has put something in for a rainy day. And I
think this government, you know, and the people don't realize
that the casistrophic thing that we're happening. I also mentioned
that a lot of Australian's not wanting to book skies
holidays in zomb because they they're worried about flights or fuel.
So the thing is that diesel exercise for the world

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is going to be horrendous in this government.

Speaker 3 (01:28:16):
What do you think? Because so the government's setting aside
four hundred and fifty million dollars in funding in case
the fuel crisis worsens and it needs to hand out
more support. Does that ease your fears, Peter at all?

Speaker 15 (01:28:27):
No? No, This guy was saying that the thing about
high prices, and he was predicting one hundred and eighty
dollars about when he records at the moment to buy
real stuff is about one hundred and forty. And he's saying,
these people who gamble, you know the price is going
to go up or down or whatever. That's about twenty
percent of the thing. But actually buy physical fuel. He says,

(01:28:49):
that's roughly where the price is, and cheap fuel, in
his eyes, is over. It's going to finish. And even
if you know it was a peace deal tomorrow, which
is not going to be, it's going to take five
years for the gas and Qatar according to some experts,
to repair itself.

Speaker 3 (01:29:06):
Wow, there's definitely can if that plays out. We're talking
about the budget that's just been delivered today. What are
your thoughts on it?

Speaker 2 (01:29:15):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty. Thank you very much
for your call, Peter. Let's go to Jason. How you doing.

Speaker 17 (01:29:21):
How at home boys?

Speaker 2 (01:29:22):
Not to not too bad? Mate? What do you reckon?
Do you like this budget? Was there anything for you?

Speaker 4 (01:29:29):
So?

Speaker 17 (01:29:29):
I'm I'm in Canterbury. Would have liked to saying a
bit more South Island, but we always get left out,
So that's stride's there.

Speaker 3 (01:29:40):
But yeah, but but but you are. Canterbury's doing pretty
well at the moment, though, aren't you. So is it
a matter of not being a squeaky wheel.

Speaker 17 (01:29:48):
Yeah, well you can always do better. But with the
carve fiscal constraints we have in the country, you just
got to keep moving. Just in reference, just heard Chris
Hedkins there spout and on about what the middle class
working man wanted. All I can say to that is

(01:30:09):
he doesn't have a close because white we want has
not said. Our taxes just showed around. But yeah, it's
for responsible spending and that's Yeah. There's things in there
that I like to be changed, but by and large,
it seems like pretty irresponsible spending.

Speaker 1 (01:30:29):
You know.

Speaker 17 (01:30:29):
Yeah, I feel like it's quite reasonal old things can
say it, that's what we're going through at the Marvin.

Speaker 2 (01:30:39):
I actually agree, Jason. I think the one thing that
I like more than anything else in this budget is
the return to surplus a year earlier, because to me,
that's effectively all that matters. When we are getting in
or our government is bringing in less than spending, that
is a terrible place to be and that just compounds
the bad situation we're in so to get that back
a year earlier where they hope in twenty twenty nine

(01:31:01):
thirty they're going to be bringing in more cash than
they spend. Then that should be music to everybody's ears,
I'd think, Jason.

Speaker 17 (01:31:09):
Yes, definitely, the longer it's pushed out, the more were
you going to be pinned in the long run, Like
like Nikolo was saying, I don't think anyone's going to
feel like it's perfect, but you can certainly see that
worked hard to make sure the money they are spending
as getting put two things that are going to help

(01:31:30):
keep country moving, put industry in place. Yeah, I've given.

Speaker 2 (01:31:35):
A tex Okay, good one.

Speaker 3 (01:31:37):
Thanks for your cool. Jason, just been rifling from my
papers looking for South Island stuff. I found Graymouth gets
funding for a new police station.

Speaker 2 (01:31:45):
You beauty, Graymouth, another police station.

Speaker 20 (01:31:48):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:31:49):
You can't say nothing for the South Island getting a
new police station. Will you go? Graymouth?

Speaker 1 (01:31:55):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:31:55):
Keep your calls coming through. Oh, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty. What are your thoughts about the budget twenty
twenty six? Are you happy? Are you disappointed? Tell us
ninety two ninety two is the text number it's twenty
three past three.

Speaker 1 (01:32:10):
Matt Heathen Tayler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty on News Talk ZV.

Speaker 2 (01:32:15):
Twenty five pass three and we are talking about budget
twenty twenty six and we want your views on it.
We are drowning in bits of paper here.

Speaker 3 (01:32:25):
I love it. Yeah, here it is.

Speaker 2 (01:32:27):
It's exciting. This Texas says Bishop.

Speaker 3 (01:32:30):
A couple of years ago announced that there would be
shovels in the ground for construction of Mount Victoria Tunnel
in twenty twenty six. Nothing And this year's budget no,
not a bottom line for bish.

Speaker 2 (01:32:40):
No, it's fair points nothing in the budget for that.

Speaker 3 (01:32:43):
That I can see in this pile of papers we've
got here. This Texas says Hi. I love the show, guys.
One small complaint, Matt. You never shut up about JFK
and is asked, not what the country can do for you,
ask what you can do for the country. You're always
saying this, and then you play audio at the start
of your show asking people if there is anything in
the budget for them. Seems a bit hypocritical.

Speaker 2 (01:33:02):
Well, to be fair, you haven't used that phrase for
some time, and it is a great frat phrase.

Speaker 3 (01:33:06):
But it is an interesting thing. When you look at
a budget, do you immediately go what's in it for me?
Or what do you think is good for the entire country?
As this Texas say is hy guys, nothing for me
in the budget, but pretty happy with where the money's
going to. She's being frugal and that is a good
thing given our current situation. So that's ask not what
the country can do for me, but what I can

(01:33:27):
do for the country. Text, isn't it from this person here?

Speaker 2 (01:33:30):
You're a great New Zealander. Oh one hundred and eighty
ten eighties and number to call get a colling A.

Speaker 23 (01:33:37):
Pretty interested in the trade training money. I am a
part owner of a plumbing company with a staff of
twenty five. Got six apprentices ranging from year one to
year five. Our apprenticeship for plumbing and guests and drain
lane is five years. I was at a meeting a
couple of weeks ago that was with the Ministry of
Education and Understry Skills Board looking at introducing the vocational

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subjects for year twelve and thirteen. So I think that's
a good mood my consumers. This government got rid of
our place development councils that were set up under a
labor government. They're actually doing a pretty good job and
they replace them with industry Skills boards, so we have
one for construction and specialist trades. They've given them half
the money twice. The worst they are the ones that

(01:34:24):
will be moderating the unit stands and things like that.
So as we introduce these subjects to secondary schools, that
will become part.

Speaker 7 (01:34:30):
Of their job.

Speaker 23 (01:34:31):
And I didn't I haven't seen enough detail, but it
doesn't like they've been given any more money for doing that.
And we're based in Wellington. So one of the things
I can't get any of my apprentices on a block
course at the moment because there's not enough tutors. So
what happens is the five year apprenticeship sneaks out for
six or six and a half years, which is ridiculous
because it could be a bloody brain surgeon in that time,

(01:34:53):
you know. So there are some basic things we need
to get right and I'm thinking, well, they're saying another
thousand apprenticeships, how are we going to get them through
the block courses unless we change some of the things
we do there And construction is up there. I've been
thirty four years in this industry, one minute you've fled
out and you haven't got enough staff, and then the

(01:35:15):
next minute, you know, like certainly over the last year
or so that the commercial work and that has dropped off.
So yeah, there's some things that they're dining out. I
think the budget is good, that we're not spending more
than what we've got. I think we had to do it,
but I think some of the details, you know, and
thousand more apprentices and I can't even get my six

(01:35:36):
on block courses to get finished and become trades people.

Speaker 2 (01:35:39):
Right, So just in terms of that extra funding, and
I'm just reading the release here and we've got some
information on it.

Speaker 3 (01:35:45):
I've I've got to hear if you want this is
what I know. Tell me if you've got more, Tyler, please,
I've just rifled for my pile of papers.

Speaker 2 (01:35:50):
You've done well.

Speaker 3 (01:35:51):
Trades training boost is coming at the expense of fees
free university trades Academy places are doubling to twenty thousand
over four years, giving school students the ability to learn
trades well at school. Money say from cutting the fees
free policy will fund one thousand more politic places. Funding
phasing in from the start of the next twenty twenty
seven school year. It is expected to eventually increase the

(01:36:14):
amount of people and apprenticeships. But you're saying that, Colin,
that you don't think there's going to be the space
for that.

Speaker 23 (01:36:22):
Well, if commercial work picks up, you know, as we
see a bit more infrastructure and things like that, I
mean certainly spending on schools and things like that in Wellington.
We're just not seeing those jobs come out to price hospitals,
all of that sort of stuff that we're prisons that
we would normally be in and pricing that. That stuff's
just not coming through at the moment. And so you

(01:36:43):
don't employ people when you don't have the work for them.
We've always taken apprentices on. We've trained over sixty apprentices
over thirty four thirty five years, and AI certainly won't
replace commers guests for as draining those sparks and shippies.
You know, I think they are good things that we're
going to actually train people in this country that do
stuff and produce actual things.

Speaker 2 (01:37:04):
Now, yeah, well said good on you, Colin.

Speaker 3 (01:37:07):
Colin, that's my dog, Colleen.

Speaker 2 (01:37:09):
Yeah, Yeah, interesting thoughts. Do you agree with Colleen, and.

Speaker 3 (01:37:12):
Your Colin as well. My dog Colin's a good boy.
He's a very good boy. Colleen. Yeah, but I yelled
Colin so much, calling everyone whose name begins with C.

Speaker 2 (01:37:20):
Colin second nature. Hey, so do you agree with what
Colleen had to say? So she said that it is
a good move, but in terms of actually getting people
into placements, that is the tricky part, and it is
I don't know the answer to this question. But with
the announcement of new hospitals, new wards, increased infrastructure spending
on roads, how fast can they roll that out to
people like Colleen? Because you mentioned that they usually get

(01:37:41):
hospital contracts. So when you make an announcement like this
and you allocate the funding, how quickly does it then
go out to market and you hope that it does
go to Kiwi companies rather than offshore companies.

Speaker 3 (01:37:51):
Yeah, well, there was complications and approvals and such which
was supposed to be getting sorted out. Disappointed that cut
to third year varsity subsetes went honored for the two
years that have already signed up. Thinking that's what they
are getting, any other entity would be taken to task
for contracts should have started for people newly signed up.
I agree with that. I agree with that, and I look,

(01:38:13):
I think it's that the trades training boosts and I
think that that in the end, the subsidizing the third
year and the first year didn't really work. But it
seems massively unfair if someone started a course and they've
made a decision in their life based on the third
year being free, right, Yeah, so they've made a decision
how they're going to do it, I agree, and then

(01:38:34):
just changing that that, yeah, exactly a system that's exactly what,
exactly what the text is saying. People made a decision
in their life and then you change it. Yep, you
pull the rugg So it seems that at least next year,
but probably the next two years should be should still
have the third year three and then and then move
on from that just because you set that system.

Speaker 2 (01:38:54):
Up, that's right, phase it out to be fit everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:38:57):
But what do you say it's a bit different than
the first year because cutting that people went in the system.
Yet they're making the decision the next year. But you've
got people in the system that thought they were getting
a third year three and they're not.

Speaker 2 (01:39:06):
Yeah, thank you for that text. Keep coming in nine
to ninety two Do you agree O eight one hundred
eighty ten eighty and what is your thoughts about budget?
Twenty twenty six headlines with Rayling coming up.

Speaker 1 (01:39:17):
Us Talk said B.

Speaker 10 (01:39:19):
Headlines with Your Ride New Zealand's number one taxi app
Download your Ride today. This year's budget predicts a return
to a two point six billion dollar surplus by twenty
twenty eight, twenty nine a year earlier. It puts a
record thirty four point two billion dollars into health this
financial year, low as the ball cancer screening age to

(01:39:40):
fifty six and Faraday Hospital will get a new ward.
One point seven billion dollars is going to the next
phase of the Wyculto Expressway, and four hundred million to
making state highways more resilient. Just over a billion we'll
go on KeyWe rail network investments over four years, a
nearly one hundred and seven million for Metropolitan Rail. The

(01:40:03):
government's ring fencing four hundred and fifty million dollars expiring
next March. In case the fuel crisis worsens and it
needs to hand out more support, The Super Gold Card
will be converted into a Senior's ID card, helping those
without a driver license or passport at a cost of
forty million. And in other news, one person has died

(01:40:25):
at Tasman's k Teddy Teddy Beach near Nelson in a
water related incident. Why we should trade the fees free
tertiary funding for something that works. You can see the
full column at enzid Herald dot co dot nz. Now
back to Matt Eath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 2 (01:40:40):
Thank you very much, Ray Lean and we are asking
for your opinion on the budget that has just been
delivered by Nichola Willis.

Speaker 3 (01:40:46):
The Sexy says, law and order and correction seems to
be the hot topic the selection year. What did they get?
What did they get in this budget? Was that more
or less than last budget? He's Steve, great question.

Speaker 2 (01:40:57):
So a total of one point three billion is going
to police in corrections and other law and order agencies.
That's according to Paul Goldsmith and Police Minister Mark Mitchell.
So that includes three hundred and ninety one million to
support frontline policing, five hundred and twelve million for corrections,
in two hundred and twenty four million for the Ministry
of Justice. I think a big chunk of that correction's
money is going to control the prison populations and also

(01:41:22):
employ hundreds of extra prison officers. And there's a question
here about rail. Get a guys, money rerail A no brainer.
Winston is on the button as perse, So what's in
it for rail?

Speaker 11 (01:41:32):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:41:33):
So there's a significant boost to rail and the budget.
Just over a billion dollars has been committed to Kiwirail's
planned network investments between next year and twenty thirty. Nearly
one hundred and seven million dollars is going towards metropolitan
rail infrastructure renewals. With bills on investment from the past
two budgets. Rail Minister Winston Peters's New Zealanders have invested sweat,

(01:41:54):
blood and tears to build the national rail network, but
previous governments let it rot. He says. This government's put
in New Zealander's rail assets to work again.

Speaker 2 (01:42:03):
Very good. So you're happy with that. O eighte hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 3 (01:42:06):
The sex is great show boys. I like that fact
that it is completely different to the Australian budget, knowing
that Australia is bigger and does have more to offer.
We New Zealand are clearly better, but also need a
point of difference.

Speaker 2 (01:42:17):
This starts with that. All right, now we go, Brian,
welcome to the show. Your thoughts, Yeah, Brian, yeah, it's
you my friends good Man.

Speaker 8 (01:42:28):
Sorry didn't hear you.

Speaker 11 (01:42:29):
That's right.

Speaker 8 (01:42:31):
Getting back into surplus is the key I think about
delivering a good budgets. Labour wouldn't know what that is,
having never delivered a surplus in their last decade. So
all good on this one.

Speaker 3 (01:42:45):
I reckon, what do you think about? Do you think
it's a bit tricky that ACC isn't included in the
accounting on getting back to surplus?

Speaker 8 (01:42:53):
Brian, Well, it's how you're interpreted like different different governments
on the day like to put it in, take it out,
put it in again, you be like it or not.
ACC is a god scene for the most part of
the people, so to include thing, it's a pretty good thing.

Speaker 3 (01:43:10):
But the idea is that I guess ACC should if
it's working, pay for itself.

Speaker 8 (01:43:15):
M yes, but then again it's not. We're not there.
It's not for a profit type service, is it. It's
there for the state for everyone, So it stop leigning
to be making a profit to cover himself.

Speaker 3 (01:43:28):
Yeah, I think it's a fantastic thing. Maybe a lot
changed in ACC. It gets pretty complicated. What was included
in ACC that hadn't been budgeted for in the past,
so it got got pretty complicated. I think most New
Zealanders think ACC is a good thing.

Speaker 2 (01:43:42):
Absolutely absolutely, Yeah, save my butt a few times. Thanks
for you call, Brian. Yeah, good points. Do you agree
with Brian the surplus is that you know, effectively the
b or an end or when it comes to this
particular budget, getting back to surplus sooner than later is
a good thing for the country or do you disagree?
Is there scope for more boring? Craig, what do you reckon?

Speaker 16 (01:44:03):
Well, personally, I'm pretty happy with a budget and actually
makes a lot of thing. I'm happy to see that
sort of we're going to increase some spending and help
I think that's kind of been struggling. So that's a
good point. But one of the you raised something a

(01:44:24):
minute ago about when we decided to have spend on
infrastructure and how that affects people available.

Speaker 8 (01:44:34):
To do these things.

Speaker 16 (01:44:36):
I'd just like to go back to twenty nineteen, twenty
twenty where I live locally in wit Ghetto. There's a
company here that's been doing a lot of roading here generations.
They invested in massive machinery because National was about to
unroll some pretty major infrastructure and roading. Then that turned

(01:45:01):
around completely and labors watched it. That guy was left
with I think around hundred and thirty million dollars of
machinery that he had just imported to be used for
those roads. I had a discussion with him maybe six
months after that had been squashed, and said, what are
you doing with all your machinery and he said, we're

(01:45:23):
having to sell them overseas and we're losing about, you know,
thirty five forty percent what they paid for.

Speaker 2 (01:45:29):
Them, which is horrendous.

Speaker 16 (01:45:33):
It is horrendous, and those guys are still alive. I
don't know how he managed it. He is a really
good operator, but that was a you know, one of
the North Island's largest contractors, but it was but it
was still a massive hit to them. And he said,
then we've got to just keep our smiles in our

(01:45:53):
faces and now deal with a government that doesn't want
us to be doing these things. So I do really
think that it's time that we started thinking about something
like a Ministry of Works program again that it isn't
interfed with by every politician that decides to poke his

(01:46:14):
nose in every election. We do need a structured infrastructure
that lasts longer than a political term, and I think
that is desperately needed in New Zealand. It's kind of embarrassing,
to be honest, that we spend millions and millions of

(01:46:34):
dollars on having people coming through each other thought, this
is what we need to do. But it's a change
the road and this will improve this, and that will
improve that, and that's a multi million dollars extent and
then the next alven comes along and just work to
board with it.

Speaker 2 (01:46:51):
Yeah, it is a big problem, Greg, and I know
there's been discussed at length. Thank you very much for
your call. And how do you fix that? I don't know.
You need some cross party support.

Speaker 3 (01:47:00):
The six is I started. You need the year before
Labor board and the fees free first year I finished
you the year before National board in the third free.

Speaker 2 (01:47:07):
That's for that person. That is really rough.

Speaker 3 (01:47:11):
Yeah, the success boys. I've been unemployeed for five months
and would probably prefer Labor to win the election in
my circumstances, but I'm still voting National as I know
the country needs austerity and disciplined economic stewardship label will
take us backwards if we let them anywhere near the books.

Speaker 2 (01:47:27):
Again, do you agree with that texture? I wait, one
hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call a
nine two ninety two is the text number?

Speaker 3 (01:47:35):
She can say we will be in surplus a year earlier,
but you would have to be an idiot to believe it,
says all.

Speaker 2 (01:47:42):
Right, I keep those texts coming through. It is seventeen
to four.

Speaker 1 (01:47:47):
Who got the cash and what's been cut? Budget twenty
twenty six with Matt Heath and Taylor Adams news talks
there'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:47:54):
So tell us what you think about the budget? Was
there anything in there for you? Do you care if
there was nothing for you? And did Nikola Willis live
up to the promises that she made before the delivery
at two o'clock this afternoon? I wait, one hundred eighty
ten eighties.

Speaker 3 (01:48:08):
I call this Texas says once again, the bloody banks
get off scott free. But they're not one hundred percent
to Scott free. Bet the governments are coming after banks
and insurance companies with a new levy. They'll have to
pay the small levy to the reserve. Bank to cover
the costs of regulating the industry. It is expected to
bring in two hundred and nine million dollars over the

(01:48:28):
next four years and will be introduced next year. Nicola
will Have says she looked at other options to tax banks,
but there wasn't agreement among the co elition, so banks
didn't get off completely scott Free Texter.

Speaker 2 (01:48:41):
Yeah, I think that will be reasonably popular for a
lot of people out there.

Speaker 3 (01:48:44):
I mean, when you look at bank profits though, you know,
fifty million a year across all of them, you know
they're probably gonna survive.

Speaker 2 (01:48:52):
Yeah, It's probably less than the biscuit budget I think
for them, but fair enough. It's a place to start. Oh,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty z numbered called Joshua Way,
you're happy. Yeah, sounds like you're on the tools right now,
Joshua CT.

Speaker 17 (01:49:09):
In the end, you're here for the grunt and going on.

Speaker 2 (01:49:12):
Fair enough, But you want to have a chat about
the you know, getting rid of the fees free last year.

Speaker 16 (01:49:18):
Yeah, yeah, I don't have a problem with it personally.

Speaker 24 (01:49:21):
I mean, student loans are free anyway, as long as
you stay with the New Zealands and a lot of
people to chase that extra sort of cash. But what
you were saying math in regards to you know, if
you're planning for it. You know, the same could be
said for Super D. I know I'm going to get
off proper here, but you know when you're playing your

(01:49:42):
whole life to get super.

Speaker 11 (01:49:43):
End and some years.

Speaker 2 (01:49:47):
Yeah, sounds like there's an X in the background, mate,
But yeah, hear what you're saying. But you know, I
think super anuation. I don't know how old you are,
but I'm I'm not planning to get it by the
time I hit sixty five, So I'm sitting there bar
pretty low. You know, whether the poor old students don't.

Speaker 3 (01:50:02):
Get it, you ain't getting it to your seventy five,
your millennials, you're you're not getting You're not giving much.

Speaker 2 (01:50:08):
I'm not going to make it. I'm not going to
make it.

Speaker 19 (01:50:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:50:11):
I'm a millennial too, so I'm not going to get
it either.

Speaker 2 (01:50:13):
Yeah, good on you, and yeah no, I think we'll
let your carry on.

Speaker 4 (01:50:17):
Mate.

Speaker 2 (01:50:18):
It sounds like you're doing the hard Yeah, and so
thanks for giving us.

Speaker 3 (01:50:20):
A busb you get back to it. Good on you, Joshua.

Speaker 2 (01:50:23):
Yeah, keep this country moving a couple of texts coming through.

Speaker 3 (01:50:26):
I'm happy it's common sense. We can't keep spending money
we don't have. Sure, I would have liked some money
from them, but not to put us in more trouble,
says Mary Ann. This says, hey boys, I'm a labor
voter and probably always will be, but under the current circumstances,
I think this is a very good balanced budget. Cheers
is coming from a from a labor labor voter.

Speaker 2 (01:50:46):
Yeah, diplomatic. We'll go to Dennis briefly before we go
to play some messages. Get Dennis Goodno, Hi, your thoughts.

Speaker 6 (01:50:56):
I think the feat three three thing that had was
pretty awesome. I was really fortunate to go through that schem.
I do think that because we had the feet three
feet for a lot of people misused it unfortunately. And
I think what they were doing in some educational departments

(01:51:18):
that they've actually gone that you had to pay upfront
for it, and once you've qualified and you've put in
the hard mone up for it, and you've put the
certificate in your head, you could actually get your money
back for it.

Speaker 2 (01:51:29):
Yeah. I think that might have worked slightly better than
the system they had, but you could see the intention
was there with the last year, right that if you
made it through the first two years, arguably you've got
a bit of buy in and you're not going to
cock it up just you know, because you've had enough.
But I see, yeah, but I see your system probably
probably would have worked a bit better. I mean, what
what do you reckon about re digging that funding into trades?

(01:51:52):
Does that make sense?

Speaker 6 (01:51:55):
Yes, but not everybody's obviously into trade. But yes, we
definitely trade. I can see a lot of apprentices on
moving out of trade because it's been coming to the
baskets for some and obviously the moneys are getting too
much and the goals are getting moved up enough. Like
I'm somebody before mentioned that there's there's not enough a

(01:52:17):
training staff to help him through the systems. So I've
got a son that's that's about twenty three years old
now and his ugrianship got to extend the park on
a year and a half. Right, the original company they
went through closed down and then again not enough the people.

Speaker 15 (01:52:36):
To the train.

Speaker 2 (01:52:38):
Yeah, yeah, it makes a lot of sense. And what
did you study, Dennis when you went through the system?

Speaker 6 (01:52:43):
I went through as a welder. I've never done it
I was very excited to do it. I never had
a case to do it, and I thought, shucks, this
is speech free, let me jump onto it. And then
I was there for about two years. Got done. I've
got my part ning calls, I've got all my tickets.

Speaker 2 (01:53:00):
Thank you. When need more world is in this country, dinners,
and work's going well.

Speaker 6 (01:53:06):
Yeah, the same people love it.

Speaker 3 (01:53:11):
Sorry, Dennis cut you off for a second there. What
was just saying just.

Speaker 25 (01:53:15):
Something about the AC made a comment that if ACC work,
we don't need to government to support a one of
the percent agree on that, but also we're also supporting.

Speaker 6 (01:53:27):
Other people from outside of New Zealand, which I think
is not really fair. If you come to New Zealand
you should come with like a like a if you
come to New Zealands you understand the insurance.

Speaker 2 (01:53:43):
Yeah right, yeah, yeah, I think a lot of people
would agree with that. Dennis, thank you very much for
your call.

Speaker 3 (01:53:48):
This text rates how the parties have gone okay in
this budget. Right when he wins, he gets everything he wants.
The acts comes in second. This is quite quite in
depth analysis from this test comes in second. They got
part cuts to the public service. They wanted that national third,
they seem to be physically responsible but not too mean.

(01:54:09):
The Greens they should be happy, but won't over the
rail they have been The Greens have been very positive
about rail and there's a lot of money there over
a billion dollars for rail labor. I have got nowhere
to go, so they come in fifth. This is this
Texter and Tipati Mai come in six. Not interested in
this kind of thing, so they come in six.

Speaker 2 (01:54:28):
Good analysis. He got well done. That text that right
is seven two four. When we come back, will wrap
it all up, the.

Speaker 1 (01:54:36):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talk z.

Speaker 2 (01:54:44):
EDB News Talk ZEDB. It is five minutes to four
and I think that's about all the time that we
have on this budget special for twenty twenty six.

Speaker 3 (01:54:57):
All right, is this boy that went fast? And I
certainly did that certainly went fast. Thank you so much
for listening, Thanks for all your calls in text. The
number one drive show in the country by a country mile.
Heather people see Ellen is next and she'll have Chris
Hopkins on the show to discuss the budget. And I'm
sure he'll be very positive about it. Sure he'll find

(01:55:17):
stuff that he loves in there.

Speaker 2 (01:55:18):
I'm sure he will.

Speaker 5 (01:55:19):
Ah.

Speaker 3 (01:55:20):
But right now, Tyler, my good buddy, why am I
playing this metal cover of the nineteen seventy nine Christopher
Cross classic ride Like the Wind.

Speaker 2 (01:55:28):
You've done it again, mate, I've got no idea ride
right the word.

Speaker 3 (01:55:30):
Tell us because the second hour of it show was
all about a woman who got into a Fraka and
Westmere after parking in a ten minute temp park in
front of a dairy and then smashing tacos at Taco
Loco for an hour. And this line here, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:55:49):
Why nice well played.

Speaker 3 (01:55:51):
All right, we'll be back from midday tomorrow. Until then,
give them a taste a key where you seem busy,
believe you go bless.

Speaker 1 (01:56:03):
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