Full Show Podcast: 29 July 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Talk said, be very good afternoon to you. Welcome into
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very much for giving us listen. Matt Heath, how are
you very good?

Speaker 3 (00:37):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number looking
forward to getting into some chats with you. Look, you know,
I'm a fiercely patriotic New Zealander.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Yep, love my Tiley.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
My country, huge supporter of our sportsmen and women. But
I have a shocking admission to make.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Oh no, oh no.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
I have watched none of the Cornwealth Games. None is
on zero, no snuck up on me. I'm not in
the right mood for it. The fief of World Cup,
it's just finished. There was if one on the weekend,
there was Warriors. I just I just haven't haven't got
there yet. I just wonder. And now I'm hearing these
gold medals, I've feel bad. I would have loved to
been on board with Zoe Hobbs for this gold medal

(01:19):
looks fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yeah, you know, but the time difference does make it
hard to look why you're having this wee upfront situation.
I've got to say, I haven't seen any live Commonwealth Games.
I've seen the snippets. Does that count?

Speaker 3 (01:34):
I haven't even seen snippets.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
You haven't even seen snippets.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
I walked past the TV and there was some kind
of swimming race and the person in the far lane
was more overweight than the other ones, and I made
a joke about that and then got told off and
I walked away from the TV.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
So this is what happens.

Speaker 4 (01:51):
This is off color re marks that are pushing you
away from the Commonwealth Games.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
But yeah, I mean it'd be interested to know from
people nine two nine two how much are you actually
watching live? Yeah, but you're starting to feel that fizz now, right,
So we've got how many is that the third gold?
We've got two from Lewis, one from Zoey. Now I'm
starting to feel the buzz in the vibe. Just took
a little while.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
Yeah, but do you deserve it if you haven't done
the hard yards right from the start. I mean, did
you watch the opening ceremony?

Speaker 2 (02:18):
No?

Speaker 3 (02:18):
No, no, then you don't deserve to celebrate them all
snippets on the datas. No, No, I'm going to get it.
I'm going to get involved. But yeah, but I do
feel it feels odd because every other Commonwealth Games of
my life I've been heavily zoned in on.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yes, it's a slow burn, tell us what you think.
Nine two, nine to two. But let's get into this discussion.
So it is in Liam Dan's Inside Economics column. So
it was a question from a reader who is just
back from the Gold Coast and he questioned why he
was able to buy beer cheaper at the Australian pubs
than at the Australian liquor stores. So Liam did the
research and as most of us probably know, it comes

(02:52):
down to tax. So when Australia, the tanks is waited
in favor of drinking and hospitality venues, as in they
get a discount over the likes of the bottle stores,
whereas here the tax on alcohol is the same no
matter where you buy it from. He also added in
a something that was an interesting move out of the
UK that could have relevance here. So New Prime Minister

(03:16):
Andy Burnham, he's just stepped into number ten. He is
supporting or wanting to support struggling pubs by cutting their
business rates by twenty percent of effectively lowering what he
sees is one of their biggest fixed costs. The idea
he sees as simple, make it cheaper to run a
pub so they can charge less, attract more customers and
keep the sector alive.

Speaker 5 (03:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
I mean, I think when we talk about drinking, we
should consider the benefits as well as the harm. What
happens is we just concentrate so much on the harm
of alcohol without ever considering the benefits. And that's why
I like a draft beer concession, because it would make
it cheaper to drink in the supervised licensed venues. These

(03:58):
places have been inspected, they've been signed off, They employ people,
they support local breweries, they host musicians. They bring life
to an area, you know, they bring life to a
surrounding area. I mean, I think about the bar that
I used to go to a lot in the morning
side teven when I lived in Morningside until recently. Yes,

(04:18):
that is a that's a hub of that community, right
that quiz nights, great vibe, you know, you've got curry
night there. Everyone comes in, brings the community together, right,
And a lot of people have taverns and bars like
this in their community that do do positives, and it
just seems socially preferable to have people rather than people

(04:40):
buying large amounts of cheap alcohol and drinking at a
home or preloading in cars or smashing booze and parks,
because that's what happens, right, because you can buy you know,
you get your alcohol so much cheaper at a bottlestool,
So people are in send advised to drink that way.
Whereas hospitality, it creates jobs, creates community. As I said,

(05:01):
there's activities, you know, in the commut there's more activity
in the community, and in many ways it's a net
positive for society. So my view is that you know,
draft beer seldom lice and ventures. Maybe it should pay
no excise tax because they're already having to They're already
having to mitigate harm with their licensing, with the security

(05:24):
they put on, with the you know, not being able
to serve drunks, all those kind of things.

Speaker 6 (05:29):
Right.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
What does seem odd that a lot of this excise
text goes into what they call harm reduction measures. And
so if everybody's paying the same excise tax and the
same prevention harm measures, I mean, it's completely different to
a liquor store. As you say, there's no limit on
how much booze you can buy. If you're not drunk
in the first place, you can go in there, load
up the trolley with as many bottles of gin and
vodka as you like, and go out into a crazy

(05:51):
amount of harm, particularly if you drink all that yourself.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
Yeah, but when a bottle store opens at nine am
in the morning, you sometimes see people waiting at the
front to buy bottles of gin for the day, right, Yeah,
So that is such a different thing than someone building
and running a bar and getting it licensed and all
that goes into that the uncomparable ways of consuming the

(06:17):
same products.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Yeah, So what do you say, I eight hundred eighty
ten eighty. Does a draft beer concession for hospitality make
sense to you? Is it something we should implement here
in New Zealand? Tell us I eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is that number to call? And if you want
to send a text through nine to two? Nine to
two is that number?

Speaker 3 (06:33):
Yeah, And so it would basically be that in this
suggestion would probably be around kigs, wasn't it so keigs
as opposed to bottled beer. Yeah, the text that incorrectly
says the excise on New Zealand beer is friggin cheap.
It's the bar that wax on the cost. Well, we'll
talk about those numbers in very second.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
But uh no, yeah, okay, incorrect, yes, but keep those
teas coming through, right It is thirteen past one, But
tell us what you think I eight hundred eighty ten
eighty good idea or not? Back very surely the.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks
that'd be.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
News talks there. Bet is sixteen past one. So do
we need to cut the excise tax rate for hospitality
when it comes to be as similar as they do
in Australia with the idea to try and encourage people
to drink in hospitality venues rather than buy whatever they
want from a liquor store. One hundred and eighteen eighty
to number.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
This Texas is guys. They did a study in America
not that long ago, and the outcome was that young
men need to be out drinking and socializing. The social
cost of bad decisions was a lot less than the
social cost of mental health issues.

Speaker 7 (07:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
Absolutely, Because people celebrate the lowering of consumption of alcohol
in young people and say, all, this must be a
net good for society. But things are always more complicated than that.
And what it is is just a huge amount of
young people have completely disengaged from society. So is it
better that they're out having a few drinks at a

(08:03):
pub and potentially making mistakes or sitting by themselves online
talking to their chat bock girlfriend.

Speaker 8 (08:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
Well you see it in the stats, right, is that
men are not finding dates and if they do, it's
a lot later than they traditionally did. They've got fewer
friends than ever before. And you're quite right some of
the researchers pointing to the lowering of going out in
social settings that involve alcohol. So there is that ying
and yang when it comes to the social good of
what going to the pub or a hospitality venue can

(08:30):
do for this country. Nine two ninety two is the text,
well the text.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
Before who said that it's it's not the exos tax,
it's the bars that are charging the money for the
Obviously a bar has to hire people, has to pay rent,
has to build the place, and has to make money
or else there's no point. Yeah, but that same text
to come back, I'll do the calculation. Five percent alcohol
by three hundred and fifty mills is seven point five

(08:55):
by a memory is about a dollar fifty a study.
So if you think about let's say five percent, right, yeah,
so five percent just this say five percent is being paid.
Do you think that five per se doesn't make a
big difference to someone's business. Anyone that's in business looking
at the product they sell, that five percent of that

(09:15):
money is going an excise tax. It's to say, for
argument's sake, when you also have to spend the money
on mitigating the harm of the alcohol. So you're expected
to do both things. I mean, what about those crazy
rules like the happy hours rules in New Zealand. So
a bar cannot advertise that it's discounting drinks, you know. Meanwhile,

(09:37):
someone can go and buy those drinks cheaper across the
road at at a bottlestore and go home.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
There's no logic behind it as that. I didn't realize
they couldn't advertise their happy hour. But I know it's
got pretty ridiculous when it comes to this whole anti
alcohol movement in New Zealand because of alcohol half yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
So happy hours are legal in New Zealand, but the
promotion must not encourage excessive drinking. Under Section two three
seven of the Sale and Supply Act of Alcohol twenty twelve,
a bar may temporary discount drinks. A discount of less
than twenty five percent can generally be advertised publicly, but
a happy bar is and happy hours in twenty five
percent happy hour's half price, yeah yeah. And meanwhile people

(10:13):
can just buy whatever down the rate.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty is that numbered? Of course,
if you are a hospitality owner of a bar or
a pub or a cafe, how do you see this?
Is this having a massive impact on your bottom line?
Can you see the sense and all alcohol being text
the same, whether you buy it in a liquor store
or at your pub? Tell us what you think?

Speaker 3 (10:33):
You know? I respect Jeff because Jeff texted and he
said incomparable not uncomparable, Matt, you grammar goof? That was
from Jeff, right, all right? Then a few minutes later
Jeff text he text back and said sorry, Matte uncomparable
is okay according to Google.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Good on your Jeff, got on here. You can fire
the barbs, but then you've got to do the research
on whether that barbe no.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
Good on you, Jeff trying to improve my grammar. I
appreciate that because we all want to know when we've
got something wrong. Yes, but then to come back and
admit your own mistake. You're a good person, yep, high character.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Keep those things coming through nine two ninety two and
taking your calls I eight hundred and eighty eight. Do
you think it is fair that hospitality venues get charged
the same alcohol tax as liquor stores? Tell us what
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pronounce it. Right back to our discussion about excise text.
When it comes to hospitality and liquor stores, So Australia
they waits it heavily in favor of hospitality by lowering
what they charge on the x scise rate. Should we
be doing the same thing here in New Zealand? What
do you reckon? I one hundred and eighty ten eighty
get a Jimmy.

Speaker 7 (14:36):
How are you going today?

Speaker 12 (14:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (14:37):
Pretty good mate? So what's your thoughts?

Speaker 7 (14:40):
Well, I'm out in the vineyard bringing grape vines and
I listen to radio and I always love hearing your
afternoon talk exit taxes paid by excise taxes paid by
the producer, not the bars or the cafes or the restaurants,
and so just another added cost onto the price of
the product that they're selling.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
Yes, so my understanding of what is it's about three
dollars ninety per liter because wine's different, isn't it, because
wine is actually charged by the leads the actual product
as opposed to the alcohol content.

Speaker 7 (15:10):
Is that correct, Jimmy, it's by the leader of the
of the stuff, whereas when you go about fifteen percent
alcohol as and fortifieds or spirits and it's there's a
higher excise tax.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (15:23):
So the point is that we're paying xos tax per
liter and that's on the bottle of wine. One of
the interesting things when you're talking about the young fellows
in the bars and stuff like that, is that nobody
ever talks about the fact that these aretds. The alcohol
actually comes out of the dairy industry, not from fruits
or grapes in this instance, and it's quite interesting. It's

(15:43):
an unnatural response for dairy to produce alcohol has going
to go through various fermentations, and it's a different type
of alcohol and it affects the brain differently, which is
I've never heard that discussed very much before.

Speaker 12 (15:59):
We have three brains.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
So you're saying that, say, for example, Jimmy, it's a
it's a vodka something drink. That vodka isn't vodka like
we would know it is vodka, which is I guess
made from potatoes.

Speaker 7 (16:11):
That depends on the brand. If it's like real vodka
vodka and it's put into a can, it would be
the real vodka. But you get a lot of these
RTDs that have got you know, five percent alcohol and
them or something like that. And the question is where
does that alcohol come from?

Speaker 3 (16:25):
Is it just ethanol?

Speaker 7 (16:27):
It's just ethanol, yes, coming out of the dairy industry,
coming out of the cheese industry, coming out of the
by product, which is a way which is then fermented
in another way and another process to then get the alcohol.
But that alcohol comes from an animal, not from a plant.
So the weird stuff.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
So the exercise so the reason why, you know, with
the suggestion would be with draft beer, so it wouldn't
really help the wine situation, and that that the kegs
would be would be paying a different excise tax than
the bottle beer sold into the shops. But if I'm
correct with wine, it's you have to sit between the
band of nine percent and fourteen percent? Is that correct?

(17:08):
And what happens if you're set trying it? I mean,
I don't know if anyone wants to drink a seventeen
percent wine, but what if you go what happens if
you go above the fourteen percent Jimmy?

Speaker 7 (17:17):
The size tax increases and I don't know what the
rate is like the sized tax went up again in
July this year. But then the interesting thing about bottle
beer and cask beer, it's still sort of four or
five percent alcohol and it's still based on the Lita
per lia. Right now, you're getting a lot of wines
coming out, getting some wines coming out from kegs as

(17:39):
well and tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Right So that would be a way to do it, Jimmy,
because that's always the ficialk writers that it's it's easier
to do for beer if you just sell it by
kegs and take the xcised tax off that because it's
not going to go to you know, your liquor store.
But wine, that's the tricky part, right, how do you
get around that?

Speaker 7 (17:56):
Well, their size tax, as I said, is still paid
by the producer and the beer keg or bottle is
still paid by the producer.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
But not in Australia. So Australia they froze it.

Speaker 13 (18:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
So the idea of this article is that that on
draft bear that you would reduce the exos tax. If
you know that it's going to be primarily sold in
bars through a keg. What's what's the market for? You know,
when you get wine on tap you sometimes see it
at bars. Is that a big market to people? Because
I don't imagine your wine connoisseurs is going to want
a red or white out of a tap, are they? Jimmy?

Speaker 7 (18:26):
Oh? You know, that depends on the attitude. But the
fact of the matter is that the carbon footprint is
far less out of a keg because you're transporting twenty
or fifty liters as opposed to a bottle and screw
cap and a label and stuff like that. And there's
a big thing that people are going to is actually
what the carbon footprint is of the product that they're producing,
which is why some producers and are putting it into

(18:47):
kegs so.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
That put it they put it straight, They put it
straight from the barrel into the keg, so it would
never never be obviously never be bottled Jimmy, Well.

Speaker 7 (18:55):
No, it's only it's not bottled as kegged. And then
when the keg goes to the bar, the topping the
replacing the product that is poured out of the tap
with argon, which is an inert gas, and that keeps
it fresh for up to two or three weeks. So
it's still quite good to a good product to drink.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
So it's not a messive drop off from if you
bottle it and it's being poured out of the bottle.

Speaker 7 (19:20):
Well, no, that that depends on the quality of the wine.
But if it's getting pought out of the bottle, you know,
you can keep that bottle for two or three days.
You don't have to drink it all at once. And
so the whole idea is that one should be enjoying
the flavors of the wine in this instance as opposed
to just getting a big alcohol hit on a Friday evening.
You know, there's music and joy and happiness in the

(19:41):
glass of wine.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
Nicely, yeah, yeah, as the music and joy and happiness
and a bottle of wine, Jimmy.

Speaker 7 (19:48):
It, yes, you can take that you can take that
out to someone's some nice person's place, something like that.
But anyway, you know, yeah, as wine a glass of wine.
This funny thing is a bars say that we will
not serve people who are intoxicated, and yet me as
a wine maker, one of them my roles is to

(20:09):
get people intoxicated. But it's got absolutely nothing to do
with the consumption of our intoxication. The joy of taste
and flavor and smell and texture and the music and
the stories that go with it, and that's a social
intoxication as opposed to it's getting drunk.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
Think you for you cool, Jimmy. I find it kind
of strange, And actually, let's rustle up that audio from
Sam Neil about wine I played I think I'm gonna
play it when you're away Tinner. But anyway, he has
a really good explanation of what wine does for the
world that he recall. Of course, Sam Neil was a
wine producer with two pads.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
Great Wine twas beautiful.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
Yeah, but I think it's really interesting that we say
that you can't be intoxicated. But that seems to be
regulating a state of mind as opposed to a state
of behavior. So with what I ever choose to do
in my mind is, as far as I'm concerned, should
be my responsibility. Because there are people that have different minds,
different states of mind. You can't regulate it, regulate against it.

(21:05):
But no matter how much alcohol I drink, I'm never
gonna punch anyone.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
Yeah, because EFFI drunks versus the angry drugs. But that's
a personal thing, right He going to regulate that.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
So yeah, So don't it seems odd when they say, well,
we don't approve of the state of your mind. You
don't know what the state of my mind is when
I'm sober, mate? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (21:21):
Yeah, in any state. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number of calls. So what do you say?
Does it make sense to lower the excise tax on
the likes of draft beer kigs like they do in
Aussie to try and get more people to the bar
and pubs. Tell us nine two ninety two is the
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they do.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
In Australia, they've frozen EXCI stacks on draft bear sold
on tap in bars, pubs and clubs. So they did
this to help hospitality businesses and patrons deal with high
pub prices and make it easier and more cost effective
to support your local hospitality venue. So that question was
brought up in Liam Dan's column this morning, and the

(23:21):
question we've got for you is do we need to
follow suit? Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
and I'm going to call a nine two niney two
is the text number.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
I was talking before about Sam Neil's description of wine
that I thought was similar to what Jimmy was talking
about before. So the late great Sam Neil, who was
of course owned two Paddox wine. This is what he
had to say.

Speaker 16 (23:41):
Good bottle of wine is a miracle in the sense
we've been producing wine for thousands of years and that's
for a very good reason, because it's very good for you,
and it's very good for conversation, that's very good for contriviality,
it's good for community. These are the things that people
who are who are against alcohol have forgotten. Christ's first
miracle was he turned water into wine. He didn't turn

(24:03):
it into no alcohol wine, he turned it into good wine.
And the wedding would have been a dud if we
hadn't done that, And that was the miracle.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
Beautifully explained that wedding would have been a dud if Jesus'
mother Mary hadn't said they've got no wife? Can you
sort that out? And he went, that's my first miracle. Yeah.
But the point is, I think when we talk about alcohol,
we need to consider the benefits as well as the harm.
We're so focused on the harm and the benefits of

(24:34):
community and laughs and socializing and all those kind of things,
and the building of businesses and hospow and you know,
all those things have to be factored. And when you
think about it, whereas an excise tax that's just across
the board does not represent that bottlestores selling alcohol don't

(24:57):
take any on any of the responsibility or produce the
same amount of social good as pubs and restaurants do
selling the same alcohol. Yeah, it just doesn't take that
into acout. It seems very unfair to me.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
What do you say though? On one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is a move the government should look at
to support hospitality venues and as Liam Dan mentioned, and
a lot of people have probably realized, things are pretty
quiet and a lot of hot spots around New Zealand
when it comes to hospital So nineteen nine two is
the text mark you don't agree there.

Speaker 13 (25:27):
That's correct. I think a lot few of your arguments
there about not being sorry the other way around. You
said that the pups needed to be licensed. They pay rent,
they employ staff that are more responsible, they involve community,
et cetera. I'm pretty sure those bottle stores probably employ staff,
they pay rent, and they would have to go through

(25:49):
the same licensing requirements. Would that'd be correct?

Speaker 3 (25:52):
Not to the same number. You can. You can have
one person standing behind the corner of a tiny little
bottle store in a strip mall just selling a huge
amount of gin one, one, two, five's of gin and
vodka and pumping them out into the into the community.

Speaker 13 (26:08):
Are still pain rent still going through the licensing and
a small bottle store, yeah, they might only hit one
staff member, but a big one might have more. So
that's still one.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
People are oh, yeah, yeah, I mean it's all licensing.
Well yeah, I mean, sure, sure, okay, I'll give you that.
But but would you say that they do the same
level of good for the community that a pub running
quiz nights, having a place for friends to meet and
get together and and supplying security.

Speaker 13 (26:39):
But did you think this is over a trend over
time because there's less people going out to bars and
that's driving us.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
Well, well, I think that there is a problem. That's
what's driving the conversation. Well, well, that whether the conversation
is the difference between draft beer that's sold in kegs
as opposed to bottle beer, which which can be sold
in two places where the draft beer is only going
to be sold over the you know, at bars, right,
And the argument is that bars do more good than

(27:13):
then bottlestores do, and yet they are being punished for
the damage of alcohol at the same level. That's really
the argument. Mark.

Speaker 13 (27:22):
You know when we years ago, like I'm a mob
area in the fifties, but you know, thirty years ago,
drink driving was probably more of a fiend and so
to be responsible were they are driving home from the
neighbors place with the guy down the road or the
golf club, we're probably more responsible there. I think that's
probably had something to do with I agree, people drinking

(27:43):
doubts of the on premise and then going home, so
that's probably hit an effect on them.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
Well, well, i'd agree, I mean I was I was
talking to Lim down off here before about you know
you drive past those rural pubs that just have these
massive gar parks, and so that was from a different era,
wasn't it mark that when when people drove to bb
and drove home yet?

Speaker 13 (28:02):
Yeah, So as you went to gown by, say a
big load of fertilizer, then you went to Ravens there,
you're probably going to get it directed cheaper than going
by in a small bag for a might a ten
Where you go to the supermarket and you buy a
big begg of rice, you're going to get that cheaper
than going to the takeaways. It's almost a similar thing
where a bottle store you might buy a bottle of
line for sixteen dollars, where you pay twelve dollars for

(28:25):
a glass at the pub or the restaurant. Yeah, and
so they've got just the same product, but a different
quantity that's being served in a different business model, but
it's the same product.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
So I think, but would you would you agree that
fertilizer does the same job, whether it's wherever it's brought from,
if it's the same fertilizer. Whereas this argument here is
that that alcohol served in a bar does more good
than alcohol served to someone that just takes it home
or is pre loading with it.

Speaker 13 (28:57):
They might be just going home and having the neighbors
over drinking and driving. They're not causing fights on the street.
That's just you know, they're just with argibig, I've had
too much. Both bottle stores and bars still have to
make sure they're not serving someone intoxicated or under the
implance or underage.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
But you can You can walk out of a bottle.
You can walk out of a bottle of good store
with twenty one one two five of gin if you want,
you could. Yeah, just see. Do you not agree that
that that bars and restaurants have a social good? Do
you think do you think they have a social good
at all?

Speaker 17 (29:36):
Mate?

Speaker 13 (29:38):
Totally, yep, yep. I just don't think it's superior to
a bottle With this bottle store where I might go
and grab a box of something or a bottle of
something and go home and drink it with the wife
or get the neighbors over and heavy yarn and still socializing. Yeah,
different way of doing it. I think the question is
and that you haven't built this up. But I know,
I'm pretty sure one of you guys here are making

(30:00):
the hospitality as week, so listen to it off and
when I'm driving, and it's come up in the past,
So I'm just not entirely sure your argument is non buy.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
But when everyone's got a mate in the hospitality business,
I've got.

Speaker 13 (30:15):
The same pitch.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
So hanging on it. So hang on minute. You're saying that,
you're saying that what I'm saying is some kind of
like I've got a terior motive because I might know no,
but you might.

Speaker 13 (30:29):
Have an unbound you. But when your arguments says that
that's the on premise places.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
Well I also I also, I also would be the
same for both mark. I also buy alcohol and take
it home from bottle stores and supermarkets, So I I am,
I am, I have I got a biased approach to
that as well, because what I'm suggesting here is that
it would it would cost me more to do that.
I don't make any money from my friends that own
hospital businesses.

Speaker 13 (30:53):
I don't make a send and then you will lead
up to this conversation. You are basically saying that it's
the on premous places that have licenses, don't.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
Both do No, no, no, no, no no, that's not
what I'm saying. No, no, that's not what I was
saying at all, Mark. I was saying that they have
to that if you have a bar, right, then you
have to prove a whole lot of things about your
how you're going to deal with your patrons coming into
the bar. It's a there's a different set of rules
because the alcohol is consumed there. The bottle store, it

(31:25):
sells the booze, and it has no responsibility for how
the alcohol is consumed once they've sold it, whereas the
bar has a huge amount of responsibility for the patron
who has bought that alcohol. Because it's consumed within their premises,
they're not allowed to leave with it.

Speaker 13 (31:40):
Yes, and that's probably why they pay. And you play
a little bit more for a glass of wine than
you do if you're to take the bottle home and
divide it up with the number of classes you're going
to have.

Speaker 18 (31:48):
It's just a bottle.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
Yeah, But I think I think you're missing I think
you're missing I think you're missing really what we're saying
here though, because of course, of course, of course there's yeah, okay,
but but so can you see.

Speaker 13 (32:04):
Let me just say one other point. Every year, one
of the previous call mentioned that in July the exercise
texts went up. Yes, every year in July, the excise
text that goes up.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
Yeah, which I think it's bad. I think there should
be no I personally think I personally think there should
be there should be no excise tax. But but I
think it should be less for for bars than it
is for for bottle store. So yeah, the exos text
does keep going up and up and up.

Speaker 13 (32:28):
Yes, that's I mean, I don't know why that happens,
because there's no text or there is a text. I'm
not sure what the argument is increasing the text every year,
whether it's a tower, bottles, or.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
Bar, it's called I'm not sure they're called syntaxes, aren't
they Because the government, because they deem something to be
a net bad, they can keep raising it and getting
revenue off it without getting a lot of pushback because
they go, well, you're doing something bad, so we can
punish you for it.

Speaker 13 (33:01):
Yeah. It's like when you go to journey three, we
can bring three bottles back into the country. But I'm
pretty sure Australia is to Canada's one thing. Get those
models there, they play no gest and there's no ex
text on those.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Yeah. But on the essence of the argument, Mark, you know,
because the reason we brought this up as Australia does
this right, they've frozen that excised tax on draft beer
kegs and in order to support hospitality. And that's the
essence of the argument. So you can't see that you
don't think that's a good idea to try and support
one way that serves booze over another.

Speaker 13 (33:35):
I think we would be great to help the hospitality industry,
but I think favoring one method of selling alcohol can
over another is young bear. You probably just need to
help excised text level completely. Well whatever, you can buy
it one way and you're going to get favored competed
to buy it the other way. I think that would be.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
Probably not really, I guess I can kind of see
you see your point. Markets are kind of social engineering.
Is what we're suggesting, is we're suggesting we would prefer
that people drinking bars for whatever reason. So what you're
saying I'm.

Speaker 13 (34:07):
Just thinking to drink at home. Maybe there's a least
drink driving on the road. There's just a different way
of things. I don't think one's bad and one's good.
I just think if there's a supply selling alcohol, you
know there's the deal, there's the by price with here
in the trade where there it's on premises for all
the premises.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
Yeah, although although we do.

Speaker 13 (34:29):
The other might be a little bit.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
But although you've got to argue we do that already
because these xos tax is different for spirits, for and
beer and for wine. So we've already made a sort
of a decision on what kind of drinking we want
people to make. It's not all the same, yes, but
I'm just talking about the outlets and you could buy
it or consume it from It should be reasonable.

Speaker 13 (34:51):
Level plane because one is always going to be more
expensive to buy through the bar. But it's quite right
that you say they've got those other costs. They've got
probably bigger premises, they have more staff on, but their
bottles still still employee stuff and they still do a job,
and they allow you to drink at home.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
Yeah. Think if for your call mark, you made some
good points to Yeah, interesting debate. We've got to go
to the ad break now.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Yeah, they're stacking up behind us. But do you agree
with mark O eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty
or nine two nine two is the text number?

Speaker 3 (35:18):
Yeah, I mean I think the point is that if
you lowered the excised tax on the draft beer and bars,
then it would make it easier for them to charge less,
and it would change people's behavior just a little bit
and make them more likely to go out, yeah, to
the bar. And of course bars always going to charge
more because they've got rent, they've got to pay for
a large area to sell, the staff, they've got more staff,

(35:39):
all that kind of stuff. Exact bottles, I mean, bottle
stool is always going to be able to sell it
a bit bit cheaper, which is maybe why you lower
the excised tax in some way into bars such that
they can compete with people just buying ahold of boos
a bottlestooes and going home.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
Yeah, and what do you say tell us O E
one hundred and eighty ten eighties the number? It is
eleven to two.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls on.
Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons news talks'd be.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
There's nine to two.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
So I've been trying to describe an idea last hour. Yep,
and I've been all over the shop. This text sums
it up in one sentence. Okay, purpose of the tax
is to minimize harm less harm and hospital as responsible
service of alcohol, so less tax should be paid.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
NAT. That heard aful thank you text.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
That is the argument. That is that purpose of the
tax is to minimize harm less harm and hospital as
a responsible service of alcohol, so less tax should be paid.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
Boom, nailed it? So is that a good idea? What
they texted? Just said? Nine nine two?

Speaker 3 (36:39):
Could that text to police come in and take over
my job? You're better at it than I am.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
That is the crux of the argument, And there's plenty
of texts coming through, but we are wildly late, so
we'll play some messages and come back with more feedback.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
Ch is good for genius in the texts.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
Yeah, we'll send you some money. That is good. Eight
to two.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons,
News talks.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
News talks. It is five to two ponds, so we've
got about sixty seconds. What's your thoughts, HLLO today, Go
for it, mate, And I reckon.

Speaker 6 (37:15):
They should roll the exs so you should see more
people in the pubs at the middle day when you're
growing up above the pick or the war. But now
you go on these empty seats and anything, and say,
when you're coming over with the tourists, when are you
coming over to do? You're not drinking as much as
you would do. You not having an ad memorable moments. Yes,

(37:35):
we have beautiful scenery, but don't you travel the world
to meet people and enjoy over hospitalities and all that
type of things.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
Yeah, well, said Bonzo.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
Absolutely, I agree with that.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
I've got a few texts here. Look at the social
harm that has happened in the needed since students don't
have a safe place to drink because the UNI losers
closed all the pubs down here. I mean that's the
people haven't stoped drink, They just stop drinking at home.
It was the last government which let the XOS tax
be raised at the rate of inflation, which exploded. XOS
tax should be fixed at two percent per annum, not

(38:09):
inflation rates. Is this text simple solution? Quadruple the xosed
tax on alcohol sold at bottle stores and supermarkets? Oh yeah, yeah,
I was met not drinking when he brawled his way
into Tim Finn's dressing room.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
Ce true, I was.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
Hangover when I got into that fight in Tim Fin's
dressing room.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
Slightly different, still still somewhat inebriated.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
The after glow was completely saber.

Speaker 19 (38:29):
There was.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
If anyone's read my book, it starts with a horrific
story where I go into the first fight in Tim
Fins dressing room. Not with Tim Finn, all right, okay,
with the bass player from my band on tour.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
Yeah, that's a great chapter there mine. All right, good
chat everyone, Yeah, thank you very much to everyone who
gave us a bars antiques through. Coming up after two o'clock,
would you be okay buying a coffee or a pair
of jeans with your face? We'll tell you more about that.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
Well, my face is a moneymaker, so it's already happening.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
Three bold mate, right you sport Weather cover it up.
It is two o'clock.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
Some big stories, the issues, the big and everything in between.
Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons News Talk said.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
Be very good afternoons, you welcome back into the program.
Grade have you company? It is six pass two. You're
doing all right, mate, Heath.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
Yeah, Look, the coffee machine caused meal kinds of problems.
Go to the coffee machine. It see its rinsing, it's
clicking through four things with Texas beside it. So it's
a disaster when you get to the coffee machine and
it's doing one of its automatic scheduled servicings.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
It always stitches you up times out of ten. I
had to put the beans in yesterday, all right. So
then you gotta find the beans. You gotta open the marp,
chuck them and the bean. Then it asks for the
chocolate powder, even if you're not having a mocker.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
Yeah, I'm not interesting the chocolate powder. Yeah, and then
it tells you to change the milk. So anyway round
upstairs to get to steal at the executive's coffee on
the level two, the level two into the rarefied air
of a Nick.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
Had to sneak in there that is high level coffee.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
Yeah. Yeah, it was like I was like Catherine Zeta
Jones in that movie. Entrapment, getting into the heading into
the executive area to steal one of their coffee.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
Yah, you got out alive and you made it.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
You made it as a result, puffed. Yeah, So just
just take a few breaths and we'll be back into
the show.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
Absolutely. Well, let's get into this one. So if Boss
New Zealand is rolling out a new generation of payment
terminals that will allow kiwis to pay using biometric data
like your face or handscans instead of using cards or
even pins and paywaves. So the technology works by matching
a live scan of a customer's face or palm to
a secure digital template, they say, to approve payments almost instantly,

(40:42):
aiming to make check out faster and more convenient while
reducing fraud. So early reports suggests the terminals are being
introduced without confirmed retail partners yet. But while the move,
they say, positions New Zealand at the front edge of
payment innovation. There's a lot of people raising concerns about
privacy and security, given biometric data is far more sensitive

(41:03):
than traditional payment information and can't be easily changed if compromised.

Speaker 3 (41:09):
I love this, bring it on. I want to pay
with my face. I would love to pay with my face.
I'd also like to get into buildings with my face.
I feel like we were sold that would be what
the future would be like. I mean, there is always
the potential that someone you know, steals your face and
puts it on. And you know, we've seen those in
sci fi movies face Off and the lov Yeah, and

(41:29):
you always see that thing where if it's eye, you know,
you steer it and they read your retina and then
someone will steal you know, steal someone's retina, that kind
of situation. But right now, we're moving towards a world
where we use our phones to do everything. But that
means you've got to have your phone on you and
you have to open up your phone, right, that's right.
I love not having a f post card and I

(41:50):
love not having to carry that stuff around. But if
we couldn't we just cut the whole phone and big
tech out of the whole thing. Well, obviously big tech
is going to be evolved in the facial.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
Evolved in facial recognition.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
But yeah, but then then I could not have a card,
and then I could run a dumb phone, so I
can still ring people, text people and stuff, but be
able to get in and out of this building before,
before I had the disaster with the coffee, right, I
says to you, Tyler, I see as I see as
I see as. I wish we had facial pay now
because I want to buy from something from the vending machine.
But I've lift my phone back here in the studio.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
That's right. And you can even go to the toilet
without me behind you because I had my phone. But
you would have been buggered. You would have been locked
out of the building. We're on air in a couple
of minutes, so you had to go upstairs and get
the errified coffee, so you would have been really screwed.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
Yeah, exactly. So you currently we're moving to a thing now,
like a world now where you have to have your
phone on everywhere you go, get into the building, get
into the bathroom, buy something from the coffee from the
vending machine. So surely I'm always gonna have my face
on me, aren't I?

Speaker 8 (42:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (42:53):
Yeah, nine times out of ten, you see, ninety nine
percent of the time. So I'd much rather be able
to play with my face because you've got everything on
your phone pretty much right, apart from your driver's license.
But that's coming to a phone near you very very soon.
So why can't you you face because your face has
to be on your driver's license? Why can't you have
driver's license just be your face. I'm all for it.
I can't see any problems with it initially one hundred

(43:14):
and eighty ten eighty nine nine two. What is the
problem with just paying with your face?

Speaker 13 (43:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (43:19):
If you understand what we say, do.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
You see any fishalks with this particularly technology? Do you
think it is a step too far? Tell us what
you think. It is eleven past two. We'll be back
very shortly.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
Your home of afternoon talk Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons
call Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk zed.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
BE, News Talks ed B. It is thirteen past two.
So the technology that allows you to pay with your
face is coming to a retail store near you very
very soon. If Boss New Zealand is rolling out that tech,
do you love it or do you think it's going
too far?

Speaker 7 (43:53):
Get a ben Yeah there, guys.

Speaker 12 (43:56):
Look, I've seen this in the US. I've had it
for a little wall with different shops. I've untrold it.
It works. It's pretty much eliminated fraud. You're basically swapping
privacy to secure your money. So and that's not really
a bad thing. It's not that they keep a face,

(44:17):
your face on file, So your face is taken on
file and different points of your face put into basically
like a stable coin on a blockchain, so they're not
actually keeping your actual face itself. There's different points on
your face that are being stored. And then when you
when it scans your face through the blockchain recognizes that

(44:41):
that's you and it releases the payment. And this just
means that you won't be able to give you cards yet.
You know your kids your card and you want to
go down and buy anything, you actually have to be present.
And this is the first, the first cab off the
rank because have you heard of the Clarity Act? So

(45:02):
the Clarity Act is going through the it's past you
in the US US Congngress, and it's the sense at
the moment, and Trump's trying to pass it. And it's
what it means is that the currency is going to
shift onto a blockchain. It's not going to be the
paper currency that we have today. And this they want
to bring this in by twenty thirty three, so all

(45:25):
currency is on blockchain, so crypto basically and setting up
the strategic reserves over there, so it's going to be
backed by gold and bitcoins and other currencies, and that
the Clarity Act allows them to bring all cryptocurrency into
the basically bring out regulations to controllers and that they

(45:47):
don't have at the moment.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
I've read about that. How does that relate to pain
with your face? Spin?

Speaker 12 (45:54):
So that's the whole point, because it's everything's going to
shift on to blockchain. It's going to be stuff like
your fate paying with your face and that is going
to that's going to be integrated into the blockchain, so
you're not going to need physical or tap and pay
with your phone anymore or anything like that. So this
is the first cave off the rink to start the

(46:16):
domino effect. Basically, give our currency a twenty first century
upgrade because our currency hasn't changed for seventy five years.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
Yeah. Hey, so to go back what you were saying before,
so essentially instead of like because people think about this
and will just flick through a bunch of you know,
images of you, but that's not how it works at all.
So it's basically got biometric data which maybe I'm just
making this up. The distance between your eyes, position of
your ears, or those kind of things like just things
to do with your face that are specific to you.

(46:47):
But they don't have the ability to create an image
with it. It's just some data on your face. Yeah.

Speaker 12 (46:52):
Yeah, So it's just data on your face that's unique
to you, and it's encrypted into like a form of
stable coin, and it's loaded onto a blockchain and it
can't be hacked, it can't be access but they don't
actually have a photo of you as such, right, It's
just what's unique to you.

Speaker 3 (47:09):
Yeah. Do you think it would get to the point
being where you walk into a store, you just walk around,
you grab the stuff, and then it just reads your
face on the way out and charges you and you
don't even interact at all.

Speaker 12 (47:21):
That's exactly what it's doing in the US, So you
don't even have to scan stuff anymore. They have cameras.
They've been trolling it, cameras throughout the whole shop. You
pick up something, you go to the checkout area, it
knows what you've picked up. You basically looked at the camera.
The cameras knows what you've picked up, and it takes
the payment out and then the gate opens and you

(47:42):
walk out the door.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
That mean that'd be difficult for shoplifters exactly. They've stolen
something and then they get home they go, I paid
for that.

Speaker 12 (47:52):
No, it's going to completely eliminate shop with them at
supermarkets and act. They've got these gates and the gate's
not going to open until the payment's approved and then
it knows what you've got in your hand. So yeah,
it's going to completely eliminate shop.

Speaker 13 (48:07):
Looking forward, yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
Mean they say in this story, they say that the
other this will just be an additional method of paying.
If Boss New Zealand is saying that there'll be an
additional method part they still have the cards, still have
the phone. But can you see a future when the
other methods are paying?

Speaker 12 (48:25):
Will go yeah, exactly, And that's what's happening. So that's
what the Clarity Act and the Genius Act in the
United States is for. It's basically removing all the currency
and putting all our currency on blockchain, and that's how
we're going to pay. So you can transfer money between

(48:46):
New Zealand and America and seconds using stable coins.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
You can do that now, Yeah, Well, thank you, Ben well,
I haven't. I haven't read up on that. I'm not
sure about that, but I'll have a look into it
when I get time.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
So interesting, Yeah, oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty
So do you see any problems with this facial recognition
technology that's coming to allow you to pay via your face?
Nine two ninety two is the text number as well
a couple of texts coming through.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
Only problem with recognition as if you get botox all
the time or facelifts that won't recognize you. Yeah, what
about if you go and get those blips that people get.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
It's gonna make it hard for the for the cameras.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
Your biometric technology. Once you've just had those collagen and
projections into your lips, I'll go, what the hell was
that last time you bought us? You didn't look like
you've been stung by bees?

Speaker 2 (49:27):
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Speaker 2 (49:50):
It is twenty one pass one, So would you be
okay with using your face to pay for coffee jeans whatever?
That technology has been rolled out across New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (49:57):
The sex is Matt, You're a tex slave. What happens
when AI terms use so siplus to requirements in the
dystopian future?

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Fair question?

Speaker 3 (50:07):
Yeah, I mean a compromised card can be canceled, right,
but you can't really cancel your.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Face not easily.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
No, but I bet I guess a compromised card is
only really attached to the bank account. So yeah, I
don't commonised face. No, I mean, how can you? You
can't really compromise your face because it's attached to you
in your brain. That doesn't work for me. I have
identical twins that can already unlock each other's phones. Well

(50:37):
see that's the interesting thing. And a lot of people
are texting about the identical twin situation in the face payments.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
Yes, so I've just locked up a couple of studies,
this one from the National Institute of Science in America.
So they looked at this and as it stands, many
face recognition algorithms produce high false match rates when it
comes to identical same sex fraternal twins. But they do
say the technology is rapidly evolving. In some three D

(51:05):
in depth mapping technology is starting to be able to
tell the difference. They get right in there and look
at the bone structure and the lines in the face
and the differences in the eye. So they are going
real sort of high level. But they say humans it's
still to this as of twenty twenty six is still
better at telling humans apart than this technology, right, But
it is rapidly improving.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
But it's interesting with identical twins, and there'll be people
with identical twins in their family who are or who
are identical twins. When you have an identical twin in
your family, you don't really have any trouble telling them apart,
do you know. I've been friends with identical twins, and
when you first meet them, you can't tell them apart.
But over time it's very easy.

Speaker 6 (51:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
You notice the subtle differences straight away, right.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
Yeah, And I guess that's the effect of living on them.
And maybe they purposely dress differently. Yeah, you know, maybe
they could could fool you, but yeah, I mean, over
time they change Yeah, but tell tell us something. It
doesn't it say? There that is still a high error
rate on identical.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
Twins correct with the technology being rolled out as it stands.
So what do you say if you're an identical twin?
What are you going to do?

Speaker 3 (52:05):
Are identical twins going and sitting exams for each other?
Because because wouldn't high level for.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
A prank situation?

Speaker 3 (52:12):
Isn't it a massive messive for a prank situation?

Speaker 9 (52:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (52:15):
Allan your thoughts?

Speaker 8 (52:17):
Yeah, I think we're at a crossroads. Guys. We've got
to we've really got to look at ourselves and say,
are we communicating country? I mean, what do you guys
rely on to run your to run your show? What
do you rely on?

Speaker 3 (52:32):
Well, right now, Alan, I'm looking at I've got a big,
a big wide screen Dell. I've got two screens that
are placed inside the desk. I've got a laptop sitting here.
I've got a phone beside me, and I've got a
wind up watch for the time.

Speaker 8 (52:49):
So that goes out where are we.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
You wouldn't be.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
Hearing us, no, exactly.

Speaker 8 (52:54):
You wouldn't be You wouldn't have any fake to recognition,
You wouldn't be able to do any of that.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
The only person listening to to this radio show would
be me listening to Tyler, and Tyler listened to me.

Speaker 8 (53:05):
It's people we rely on. I think we're at a
crossroad where we have to look at this stuff and say,
why are they actually doing it? It's putting people out
of jobs, basically, and that's not what our country is about.
We are about conversation, about talking to people as your showers.

Speaker 19 (53:22):
You know.

Speaker 8 (53:23):
I truly believe we're really at a crossroad where we
shouldn't be doing this.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
From a New Zealand perspective, though, if POSS New Zealand
is the one that's bringing it in, and I understand
I could be wrong about this, I need to research
this more before I say it out loud, but I
will anyway. My understanding is that if POSS made a
lot of money for a New Zealand company electronic funds
transfer at the point of sale, but then payWave doesn't
cuts them out. So payWave cuts that New Zealand company

(53:52):
out of this business. So if if POSS has bring
this in, this facial payment, then then it might might
bring back And this is pure speculation here, and I
might be remembering this wrong, But it would keep some
of that money in New Zealand, which would be a positive, wouldn't.

Speaker 8 (54:06):
Al Yeah, yeah, yes, and no, you know, you're a
look at the whole big picture. We're battling that data
center down Sous at the moment. You know, it's going
to take six hundred thousand leters of water out of
people's environment. You know, six hundred thousand liters a day.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
Well, now I don't think it is, though, because we
did a big hour on this, and that's a closed
water system that it's not going to take that much
a day. It's got an allocation for water. You should
read more into it because there's a lot of misinformation
out there about that one.

Speaker 14 (54:38):
Alan.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
I don't have any skin in the game for this
data center, but I understand it's different from the Evaporation
Center's data centers that are elsewhere. So it's that one's
actually a closed water cooling system, the one that they're
suggesting and building down there in Vicago.

Speaker 8 (54:53):
And why is it not fully funded?

Speaker 6 (54:55):
Why?

Speaker 8 (54:55):
You know, here's a question for it. Why is the
council allocated all of that time and effort from rage
payers money and the thing's not even folly funders. They
got fifty seven a million at the moment for a
water for a nine billion property.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
I guess. I guess if it doesn't get fully funded,
it will never get built. Like everything else.

Speaker 8 (55:11):
It's not, it's not going to get built anyway.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
I might not going back to people.

Speaker 8 (55:16):
You know, we've got to look after people. We're not
We're not looking after machines anymore. We've got to look
after people.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
I don't worry about the over three that.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
I agree that we need to look after people. And
I don't like the idea of someone going to a
store and not interacting with anyone, just going around, grabbing
their staff off the shelf and walking out and getting
their face yeah, payment and never talking to anyone.

Speaker 7 (55:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
I don't like that kind of future because I think
even an interaction with a person at a counter is
valuable for people.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
Yeah, there's bad for society. What about the Overton window though,
So it starts off with paying for your face and
I'm not saying this is going to happen, but then
you get to a stage so the next step is
that they use your face for the membership of where
you buy your products. Right, So you walk in and
they say, get Amett Heath. We see that you bought
ten bottles of gin the other week. Would you like
to repeat that purchase? You say, hang on a minute,

(56:03):
hang on, I've just walked in here, and you're already
judging me for a bad mistake I made two weeks ago.
But you see what I mean that, You know, I
like the New World Club card for examples, You walk
and and instantly it sees your face and then you
start going around your shopping. But something might ping up
on your phone and say, hey, we see you're in store.
Can we tell you about our specials we've got today.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
So you're saying it starts off with if foss just
giving you another option to pay, but then that technology
gets widened out. I mean that technology exists right now,
that facial recognition technology, and they've tried that in terms
of security in some places in New Zealand Runnings yep,
but they haven't chosen to do that now. So you're saying, potentially,

(56:44):
you'd go into a store it recognizes your face, when
you get up to the counter, it goes well, you
actually normally get eggs as well.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
Yeah, on check out, have you forgotten something? We see
that you forgot your eggs.

Speaker 3 (56:56):
Yeah, last time you got bananas. Yeah, would there be
a bad thing?

Speaker 2 (57:00):
Maybe not one hundred and eighty ten eighty, But it's
that Overton window situation when it becomes normalized.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
Because when my grandfather, right, he worked in a dairy yep,
and then the cargo nice Henry Powell was his name, yep,
great man. He knew everyone's name in you their order
because because he knew his customers yep. So they'd come
in and you go around and get their order for
them and then and give it to them. So he
was using facial reck He was using wet biological facial

(57:28):
recognition technology to decide what people got last time, whether
they wanted again.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
Terrifying from Henry oh one hundred and eighty to eighty.
So would you be into this new technology that has
been rolled out slightly across New Zealand us in your
face to pay for products? That do you think it
is to tell us? Nine two ninety two is the text?
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Speaker 2 (59:13):
Thank you very much, Raylenza. If Boss New Zealand is
rolling out a new generation of payment terminals that will
allow kiwis to pay using biometric data like your face
or hands instead of cards or pins. So how do
you feel about this technology being rolled out? Would you
use it? Or you again it? Oh, one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call and nine
to nine two is the text number. Plenty of texts

(59:34):
coming through before we get back to the calls. Giday. Guys,
if the power goes out for a long period of time,
I yere a massive earthquake, no one gets paid until
the power comes back on. That would be a massive
issue with this technology. And this one says, what if
they decided they were going to identify people for financial
transactions by I'm not even going to read that. Oh no,

(59:56):
I'm not going to finish it as a joke. I
shouldn't have even started it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
I'm professional to start at six. You're not willing to finish.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
I'll over think about that. I won't get back to
that one.

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
You'd get a bad social credit score for that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
I'd be out or related to be skilled. Be done.

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
G My phone won't even open when I'm really hungover.
Now I won't be able to buy a KFC either.
I mean, and if Post New Zealand is saying that
they would keep, you know, the other abilities to pay,
it would just be a bonus ability. But for now,
because the thing is, I'm not willing to commit to
the same facial here for ever. So if I tune

(01:00:32):
up with a big bushy beard one day, is my
card going to be declined? Highly? Yeah, It's like playing
that game, what does it? Guess who.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
Does he have a big bushy bed? No drop down? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
Yeah, I mean There's been times in my past when
I've been really hungover and I just thought I can't
take this anymore. So I've shaved my beard and even
my head so I can scrub everything. Just cleanse yourself
of all some a shame shave, shame shave like that, Paul,
wats your thoughts?

Speaker 20 (01:00:59):
You kind of stole my thunder Boys. So I was
just saying, it's quite heavens if you have a medical
procedure like and it goes over the fire metric spots
that that guy.

Speaker 9 (01:01:09):
Was talking, Yeah what happens?

Speaker 20 (01:01:12):
Then then you're in all sorts because you know you've
got swelling for three or four days. Yeah, he's got
to be he's got to be a backup plan to
buy stuff obviously.

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
Yeah, but for now. But but this technology will be
more and more. It's because it's not just payment. Facial
recognect recognition technology is becoming a bigger part of our life.
But as you say, yeah, some people's face has changed massively.
I mean it's not just you know, melanoma or something,
but someone can have an accident and have their face

(01:01:43):
rebuilt totally differently. So what at that point do you
have to go in and then get your biometrics reread
and updated. And that's another thing, Like I reckon, I'd
be unrecognizable compared to when I was twenty. So you're
regularly having to get your your biometrics updated.

Speaker 13 (01:01:57):
Paul, Yep, you would have to.

Speaker 20 (01:02:00):
Honestly, anytime you're going to wake in the face or procedure,
you would have to go back in and get it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
When you just use it, You're just use your hand
in that scenario though, right, because that's part of the
part of this technology that you do your face and
then you get your hand scanned as well. So as
long as you've still got both hands and your face
is okay. I mean there's a possibility you do lose
both hands and your faces.

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
Men burn victims. Oh yeah, well, you know often you
lose your your hands in your face. At the same time,
it's a good post. Sorry, lose is a terrible way
to put it. Damage your hands in your face at
the same time, I thought i'd mentioned that. Noyea, thank
you for that, Paul, appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
And interesting point. We'll try and see if we can
have a chat to someone who knows a lot about
this technology, whether it has the ability to see through
that sort of stuff. But taking your calls on eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty and if you want to
send a text nine two nine two is that number? Hello.

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
In my opinion, people should have as much privacy as
possible when they are going about what is supposed to
be their private business. You should not have to produce
your papers at checkpoints or the equivalent of this, just
to do what is your business. Only physical currency and
bank card payments options should always be available on Yeah,
and they're saying that that they will be yes, that

(01:03:13):
this is just another level of convenience. It's like your iPhone, right,
you can open it with your face, but you can
choose not to sign up to the facial recognition.

Speaker 6 (01:03:20):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
But the thing is it's given me convenience, will give
me death. Again that we've talked about in the show.
Something starts off being way more convenient than something else,
and so you give up some things that you used
to hold on to in terms of privacy or a
lack of a cash trail or whatever, all these kind
of things for convenience, right, Yeah, and then when ninety
five percent of people are doing it, then they slowly

(01:03:42):
shut down the other thing and they say, well, no
one's really using it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
That's right. Look at all the banks that are shutting
down various branches because they say that people aren't coming
in like they used to do. But what do you say, will.

Speaker 21 (01:03:52):
Oh, yeah, I was just thinking about that. It's a
balance between convenience and creepiness for these tech companies. So
there's a lot of technology that they've been working on
for ages. I remember about eight years ago, we're on
holiday in Thailand and I got talking to this random
dude who worked for a tech co in San Francisco.
I think you was. Anyway, here's saying at that time,

(01:04:14):
this is eight years ago, here's working on biotech which
would basically allow your jersey to talk to your couch
and prepare your couch to be the right temperature for
your body so that you're you'd be completely comfortable. Because
is eight years ago. So I'm just thinking, imagine what
tech is there that they won't release because the pushback.
You know, we're just not we're not ready to go

(01:04:34):
into that realm. And they're probably going to market the
stuff to our children rather so anyone listening to your
radio station. Sorry, guys, it's not for this market. It's
going to be for our kids, right, They're going to
be the ones that are probably less inclined to want.

Speaker 22 (01:04:48):
To talk to a real person.

Speaker 21 (01:04:49):
Yeah, and be more comfortable with those VOTs or with
that AI tech. So fascinating conversation, really enjoying it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:56):
Thank you, thank you, thank you. Well, I agree with
you one hundred percent because I think what happens is
every efficiency. So these tech companies are trying to look
for efficiencies, and when they disrupt a market by saying
finding something it's really really efficient for people to do,
then they make billions of dollars. But those efficiencies are
always removing humans from the situation. Those efficiencies always involve

(01:05:18):
less human interaction. I mean, just on a simple level.
You take Erber for example, that that gets sort of
the dispatch person. So there's a human removed from the situation.
That is always the thing. And you know, self service
removes the person at the counter, all those kind of things,
and as a result, humans are becoming more and more lonely.
So exactly as you say, will so, so we set

(01:05:39):
up a world where our kids never have to interact
with anyone, and then they end up just sitting in
their room sobbing into a chatbot.

Speaker 4 (01:05:46):
It's depressing stuff. Thank you for call it well, Thank
you very much. Sobbing into a chat bot. Yeah, that
is a dystopia. Yeah, they might be laughing sometimes. It's
happening now, isn't it.

Speaker 18 (01:05:57):
It is?

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
Yeah, yeah, I mean there was a story in the
news today about seventy five percent of parents concerned about
their children's interactions with chatbots. So there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:06:06):
This is this is a good point. Be bloody useless.
If there's another pandemic and we're all forced to wear
face masks again, it's from Dave.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
Yeah, spot on, Dave, keep those texts coming through nineteen
nine two.

Speaker 3 (01:06:14):
Yeah, well, big tech will not make will not allow
another pandemic if it gets in the way of their
making money with your face. They won't allow the governments
to shut it down.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
Oh dear, Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty, it's
a number to cool. So would you use facial recognition
technology to pay for items? Or does that scare you?
And if it does, tell us why it is nineteen
two three Bagary shortly have a.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
Chat with the lads on Oh eight hundred eighty ten
eighty Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons us talk, sa'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
It is seventeen to three and we're talking about new
technology being rolled out slowly across New Zealand using your
face to pay four items? Are you for it or
against it? What do you say? Oh, one hundred and
eighty ten eighty or nine to nine two is a text?

Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
All the technology is great, but first power cut or
technical hitch, face or card turns to custard cash is
the king day?

Speaker 23 (01:07:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
That I mean people found that in cycling Gabriel didn't they? Yes,
But that's the case anyway. So whether it's your money
card or your phone, or or your face or your
palm or whatever, if the grid goes down, then you know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
It doesn't really yet it doesn't change the situation now
that everybody should have a little bit of cash on standby,
whereas most people wouldn't. I assume, Tony, what do you reckon?

Speaker 13 (01:07:29):
Well?

Speaker 24 (01:07:31):
I think the problem with so I believe we're going
to be given a choice as regards facial recognition whether
we will Even if you don't have accidents or facial alteration,
every five years, your face does change, so obviously you're
going to have to do that. I personally prefer the
finger print or handprint personally, but this is this is

(01:07:53):
the big issue I'd have. How hygienic is it? You know,
the people who've been before you have they just come
out of a toilet and not washed their hands, and
you're putting your hand in the same place one hundreds
of other people put their hands, so.

Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
Well we have How worried are you about were handles though, Tony?

Speaker 24 (01:08:10):
Well, okay, well we're talking about the post at the moment,
not door handles. The system we have at the moment
from our hygiene point of view is hygienic. You know
where you put your guard in a swipe and that's it.
So the only problem I have is, yeah, from the
hygiene point of views, you don't know if people's hands
have been And as regards facial recognition, yes, it does change.

(01:08:36):
So I think if as all as we're given the
option of keeping our cards and using our secret number,
i'd keep that. From your personal point of viewers, you're
up to people's voice.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
Yeah, exactly, And that's what if Post New Zealand are
saying that the other forms of pay will be there
as well as so that these terminals support facial recognition
and palm vein scanning. Palm vein scanning. Yeah, but you'll
still be able to you know. And so that combines payment,
age varication and digital identity in one thing, but the

(01:09:13):
other ways of doing things. So there is the advantage
in that if you see what I mean, like if
you have your money card, it doesn't also do age
verification or identity verification. At the same time.

Speaker 24 (01:09:27):
You had a gentleman earlier on and he mentioned they
could be targeting the younger generation, and I think that's
probably what's happening is we all know that the younger
generation are doing things which you know, anybody above the
age of thirty five or forty is able to struggle with.

Speaker 8 (01:09:47):
So I think we all get used to, you know.

Speaker 24 (01:09:50):
Doing certain things in a certain way and that being
changed and nobody likes change.

Speaker 3 (01:09:57):
Yeah, I think that's absolutely absolutely true. I mean where
you do accept it though, because people used to be
pretty freaked out even when they bought ATMs. But like,
how does this ATM work? I'm going to go and
put my card and get money out, and then then
we accept things and then then that just becomes it

(01:10:17):
and we wouldn't even question it ever ever over again.

Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
Same with payWave. There's a lot of freak out.

Speaker 3 (01:10:21):
And then yeah, and then pay so that that car
then moves on to payWave, and then there's a huge
amount of freaking out about payWave when it first came.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
In and there and people steal in my money.

Speaker 3 (01:10:29):
And everyone gets used to it. And then you know,
you bring facial payment and people will freak out about
it when it comes in and then it'll be just
standard and no one will think about it again. But
that doesn't necessarily mean that it's the problem the concerns
you had were not valid. It just means that you
over time got used to it and accepted it and
stopped complaining about it. I guess it's the thing.

Speaker 24 (01:10:50):
It's the one that to me that I haven't come
up with a system the same as with the modern car,
you have a fob in your pocket. All you do
is once you're in vicinity of the car, you.

Speaker 8 (01:10:59):
Open up the car. No problem.

Speaker 24 (01:11:01):
Why can't we have a fob in our pocket and
then we cannot break the machines.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
Isn't that what we have with payWave, Tony. That's a fob,
isn't it.

Speaker 24 (01:11:08):
Well that's right, yes, right, yeah, I've got no I've
got no issue with pay The only problem I with
payWave is that there are some places who want to
put surcharge on and I think that's I disagree with that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:20):
Yeah, no, payWave.

Speaker 24 (01:11:22):
Why you know, why is it we come up with
a system, it works perfectly well, and then they want
to change it.

Speaker 8 (01:11:29):
It's as though.

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
I've got a theory on this. It's because different companies
want to sell different things into retail, right, so, and
their ideas got to the point. You know, payWave came
in and you said, oh, this payWave is not payWave.
Some people had it, and then every store had to
get it and had to invest in payWave because they
were missing out of business by night.

Speaker 24 (01:11:48):
But having one of the problems with one of the
problems we have now I live in You go around
some of the I know, I have a bit of
cash on me. I'll go into a place and I
go to pay and there's a scientist cash not accepted,
and well all I do and is walk out. I mean,
it's it's ridiculous. So it just seems as though we're

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getting driven. There's a certain way of doing things and
which somehow doesn't always make sense.

Speaker 21 (01:12:18):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
Yeah, you wouldn't want to go into Stobbings's face not accepted.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
It's embarrassing, particularly if they target specifically you man your faces.
There's no good here.

Speaker 3 (01:12:28):
Your face has been rejected.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
Good digs, dere agada. Guys, why don't we just get
a micro chip in our forehead then we can give
the pay machiner Jordie Kiss still paying with your face.

Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
Next thing you know, you're walking down the street. Someone
comes up with your standing knife and removes your chip
and puts it in their head.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
Yeah, dangerous, dangerous. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call Jack. You don't like this technology?

Speaker 17 (01:12:52):
No, Look, I was just in China last year and
I wanted to get the cash and to get the
case took the probably half an hour at the bank
cash and there's only a fall amount of cash. But
what technique is there. They're on we pay and they're
on a couple of pay systems. But if you say
something against the government, they could just close all your

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accounts down so you can't buy anything. And so now
you've got a whole underclass in China that has just
been knocked out of the system because they criticized the government.
And we saw like what happened during COVID, how they
rushed through a whole lot of things.

Speaker 8 (01:13:27):
Like they got rid of checks.

Speaker 22 (01:13:28):
Well that took out.

Speaker 17 (01:13:29):
The old people who used to pay everyone by checks.

Speaker 3 (01:13:32):
And something happened that checks were taking out. I didn't
know that checks were taken out in COVID. Was that
was that on the back of like because people have
to touch them with their hands or what. I didn't
know that if I'd have thought that up, check it
was one of.

Speaker 17 (01:13:45):
Saying so I'll get rid of checks. But the thing
is old people. You know, you went around and did
a job for an old person and they gave you
a check check to the bank, you know, and that
was the way they traded. They got taken completely out
of the system. And I know a whole lot of
old people who have just never been able to come
back from that. Other people have got to pay their
bills and take control of their accounts.

Speaker 3 (01:14:02):
Now, yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean, I guess there
might be an advantage for an older person to just
be able to pay with their face, though sounds so
bad in that, yeah, I mean, less to carry around,
less to deal with. But I mean I guess it

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would never I mean, you can't imagine a situation where
you go around to do a job at someone's house
or something. I mean, I wonder what how many businesses
would actually bring this face stuff. And sure it's going
to only be big, big businesses.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
Right, you'd think so be quite expensive at this stage.

Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
I don't know. Yeah, anyway, bring back checks. I'm with you.

Speaker 17 (01:14:40):
Well, well, all the technology is that it's designed for
the big corporates. It's not designed for the average person. Like, yes,
a new technology. Now they're like, you'll go through a
camera area and the camera will pick up the car,
who's driving the car, and who's in the car as well,
because they can do it or some cards. And this

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is still the technology is being introduced a slight, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
But just it's on your point about the government. Mean,
the government's already got this technology jack, that that horse
has bolted, So this is just extending it out to
retail who sounds like they're going to have a lot
of chicks and balances that they're not going to keep
a record of your face. That's a deal you make
with the bank. But in terms of governments, they've already
got that.

Speaker 3 (01:15:23):
My problem with the big tech jack is that what
they do is you come in, they introduce the face
tech and it's a reasonable price. Then they get everyone
using it and that's the only way they do things.
And then that's when then certification starts, and then they
start charging more for it because because they've got you
in an onconvenience, and then once you're in and you've

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given away everything else, suddenly you get charged more for it.
And that's that's how the business model works, right. And
then suddenly every time you. Every time you use your
face to pay something, it's costing you more and more.

Speaker 8 (01:15:57):
Pay the text on it.

Speaker 17 (01:15:58):
You'll mass the money to all these other domiciles like
Singapore or everywhere else, and they don't pay text to
the local government.

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
But there is a potential that this one here has
been brought in by if Post New Zealand. So it's
a particular where my understanding is I should have checked this,
but the payWave cuts if Post out and the least
if Posts and New Zealand set up.

Speaker 22 (01:16:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:16:19):
If Post is owned by the ANZ Bank, right.

Speaker 3 (01:16:22):
Right, okay, okay, But it was started by the New
Zealand ed today at one point, wasn't it?

Speaker 17 (01:16:26):
It was and what happened has gone into financial trouble
and as Bank came in and took it over and
it became the platform for the whole world because we
were the ones who had the first line of technology
on that right like a few went to the States
at the same time they were way behind the market.
And then all of a sudden, New Zealand because the
land is a good test pace, because we've got varying conditions,

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we've got a compliant population that packs up with technology
pretty quickly because it's forced upon them. You know, where
you get a place like the States where your demograph
acts are the networks. So it's a whole different ball game,
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:17:04):
Yeah, yeah, Sorry, Jack, we've got to go.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
You made some great points, but we've got to play
some ds. It is to three bagfory shortly the issues.

Speaker 1 (01:17:11):
That affect you, and a bit of fun along the way.
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(01:17:38):
to discuss pet funerals. We'll tell you more about that
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Speaker 1 (01:17:53):
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Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
Talk said, be very good afternoon to you. It is
seven pass three. Welcome back into the show. I hope
you having a great afternoon. So we want to have
a chat about pet funerals over the next hour. This
after a New Zealand family. They are demanding answers after
what they say was a deeply upsetting failure and the
handling of their dog's funerals. So they had arranged a

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pet burial so they could be president say a final goodbye.
But when they arrived with flowers and their dog, Cody's
favorite toys at the dog Here where their dog passed away,
he had been buried without them. So clearly a devastating
situation for that family, but it does raise some discussion
around what is the right way to say goodbye to

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a beloved pet. The industry has grown exponentially. There are
now a myriad of different ways that you can say
goodbye to a beloved pets. There are of course cremations,
there are now private burials, and you can even get
leavish ceremonies akin to a human funeral if you've got
the money or inclination to do so.

Speaker 3 (01:19:03):
It's an interesting one, isn't it. How important are pet funerals?
They seem to be getting bigger and bigger. Do we
really need them? I mean? And how far should you go?
How big do you need to go? I mean, historically
there was a smaller animals. The funeral was more of

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a flushing exercise than anything.

Speaker 2 (01:19:25):
Yep, that it happened in the past.

Speaker 3 (01:19:27):
I remember a pet funeral. Well, let's just say it
was a horse funeral at the farm when I was
growing up, and suspiciously, my dad ordered the digger before
the horse had passed. And then the horse passed Shannon,
and one of its hoofs was sticking out of the
ground and that felt to be cut off. So that
wasn't a big enough hole. But also it wasn't a

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very I wouldn't say it was a respectful funeral for Shannon,
but that horse was a bit of an a hole.

Speaker 2 (01:19:56):
Did he only read the digger by the minute or something?
He only had it for fifteen minutes, so the hole
wasn't big.

Speaker 3 (01:20:01):
Enough, so he had to dig out.

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
So there's no excuse you though, Yeah, you just just.

Speaker 3 (01:20:07):
You dig the then you throw the horse in. I
mean it's not you don't throw a horse in as well.
I mean anyone that's tried to bury a horse. No,
that it's a it's difficult, big beasts.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
It's a weighty animal.

Speaker 3 (01:20:20):
Yeah, very weighty animal. It's a very weighty animal. So
you don't necessarily get it right. You put it in
and then anyway, let's not relitigate something happened that long ago.
You know, my dad was doing his best. Yeah, but
just always been suspicious that the ordering of the hole
being dug before the passing of the horse. That's all
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
I can see that.

Speaker 3 (01:20:37):
Yeah. Yeah, there's just a vibe of euthanasia in there.
That's it. That's what I'm saying. But anyway, Yeah, let's
talk about your pet funerals that you've had. You know,
is it a shoe box in a hole in a ceremony? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
Or is it a lavish, big akin to a human funeral,
because that is on offer.

Speaker 3 (01:20:56):
People love their pets, now, yep, it's very very painful
when a pit passes, right, Yeah, so surely part of
the grieving process for humans as the funeral process around it.
So if you're if you if you're grieving a pet
and you don't go through a proper funeral, then you know,

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if you then you know have is the grieving process
is going to be more painful.

Speaker 2 (01:21:23):
That's right? What is the pop proper way to say goodbye?

Speaker 6 (01:21:25):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is and I'm going
to call a nine two ninety two is the text.
Remember when our beloved first dog, SESSI passed away and
look obviously a terrible moment because we love that dog.
But when we were presented by the vet with a
range of different options, and it was one of their
partners who deals with us, I think purely maybe they
do human funerals as well. But the options were effectively,

(01:21:47):
it's not going to cost you anything. Here's pepper, and
you do what you need to do. Option two was
cremation with a lovely box and a beautiful letter.

Speaker 3 (01:21:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:54):
And option three was a full blow and we go
to the funeral house there is a someone there to officiate. Wow,
we get the flower option. And so from zero dollars
the cremation was about five hundred. For memory two, the
full blown ceremony was five k wow, And I considered
the five K for about twenty minutes until with option two. Right,

(01:22:17):
but I just thought because it was our first dog,
that hit me like a ton of bracks. I was
sobbing in the vets. I was worse than May.

Speaker 13 (01:22:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:22:25):
Right, And then she was the one to say, look,
I love CEC two, but she's gone now, and five
K is five k.

Speaker 3 (01:22:32):
There's a well, how do I put this? There'd be
a lot of working dogs that the funeral was behind
the back of the barn with a you know, and
then half dinner hole or yep wheelibin.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
We know, yeah, we know what happens.

Speaker 3 (01:22:50):
Yeah, yeah, something that that's really interesting. So what do
you think? One hundred eighteen.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
Eighty nine nine two is the text? It is eleven
past three. Will be back in a few moments on
news talk said fourteen past three, and we're talking about,
excuse me, pet funerals. What is the best way to
say goodbye to a beloved pet, a beloved family member?
I had? Did you do it?

Speaker 5 (01:23:08):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to
call a nineteen ninet two is the text number? Vicky,
how are you this afternoon.

Speaker 25 (01:23:16):
Hey, I'm very well.

Speaker 6 (01:23:17):
Thanks.

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
How are you very good? So tell us your story.

Speaker 25 (01:23:20):
Good. We had a dog called Tech and he got poisoned.
I don't know, we don't know how. And so after
like loads of tears and creating a waterworks at the vet,
we brought him home and we buried him on the farm.
So we buried him with his favorite quilt and we

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buried him under a sawdust pile that he was crazy like,
he was the biggiest dog. He just so every time
we got sawdust in the parley, they just digged down
to China. So that's where he is now. He's under that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
So it's a beautiful way to do it. Vicky. So
did you was here a sort of cross that you
put up there or anything like that.

Speaker 25 (01:24:01):
Noe, Nope, we just know he's there, so you know,
it's just where we know he is where he is,
and and my husband and I just did that and
it was very quiet, no speatures or anything like that. Yeah,
and yeah, so we haven't put a plaque or anything
like that. So the next people will say buy if

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we ever sell the place, they won't even know.

Speaker 26 (01:24:23):
If he.

Speaker 3 (01:24:27):
Think about it.

Speaker 25 (01:24:29):
Oh gosh, No, oh my gosh. No, so the yes,
they even dig deep enough, which was meats down of course,
and then they'll find a quote on that. Well, you know,
they can make what they wanted. But he used to
see he's permanently on the property. We've still got I
mean he died coming up, must be coming up twelve

(01:24:51):
years ago. And because our new dog's Devin, and he
has collar still on our on the shed door and
stuff like that. So I look at that every once.

Speaker 12 (01:25:01):
In a while.

Speaker 25 (01:25:02):
And there's a song from Punk, which you know, moves
me all the time, and I think about them because
I remember I was in the shed and then that
song came on and I just burst into tears and stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:25:15):
And how quickly after Text said been buried? Did you
get your new dog?

Speaker 14 (01:25:21):
Oh?

Speaker 25 (01:25:21):
That was quite awkward because my husband was sitting at
the at the table because he used to work by himself.
I worked an insurance and so him and Text it
was with him and and he sort of said, oh,
I need a dog, I need a dog, And I said, oh,
see if anything's on trade me and we looked up
and he was the most beautiful pictures of Text was

(01:25:44):
a black and white Collie border collie and Toby as
a red and white border collie, and they had these
pictures like studio pictures of red and white puppies on
hay bars and that, and I went, oh. And then
the girls came in and me and receive mummies being
mean and she found another dog, oh mom, And they
looked at the picture of it. Oh yeah, yeah, so

(01:26:06):
it was pretty easy. So he is hard enough to
get a hold of. Because we went to see them
and all that and we said, well, well, what had
happened was most stories are ways long. We rang them
up and we said, we'll come in and have a look
at your dogs. And they said, oh no, that's like
come this morning because we've got people from Pickton coming
driving down to see them. And we thought that's a

(01:26:29):
bit weird. So we went to see them and we
sort of said, well, well, we'll wait until the people
from Pacton arrive and see and if they want them,
they can have them. They said, oh, obviously not ready
for another dog, and we said, well no, but they've
already come down they got him first and stuff. So anyway,
so they got their dog and we ended up. I

(01:26:49):
saw them advertised again in January.

Speaker 15 (01:26:52):
It was there.

Speaker 25 (01:26:53):
It was our twentieth year wedding anniversary, and I looked
online and they were advertised again, so Emma, I texted
her and clear this and clear that, and then hadn't
heard them all down, and I thought, oh, should I
have put the wrong haven't put it on the email?
So I sent another to clear and then I tried
ringing here and the lady rang up and she said,

(01:27:15):
are you after clear and I said yes. She said, oh,
she's just told me this phone. I thought, oh my god,
you know, how hard is this going to be? So
in the end I got in touch with here and
and we bought Toby, so we picked him up when
we came home from our holiday. So that was a
really nice beading anniversary that was. And we were with
friends camping and did their bungee jump on for the

(01:27:35):
anniversary and we cooked Indian teeth and for them that night.
It was just perfect day, the best, probably one of
the best days.

Speaker 20 (01:27:42):
Of my life.

Speaker 2 (01:27:42):
When we got home and got beautiful Toby as well,
it was meant to be, VICKI, yeah, it was. Yeah,
thank you very much for giving us a call. Thank
you very much. You have a great afternoon When.

Speaker 3 (01:27:51):
You get another dog after you've grieved and buried the
previous dog, do you get the same breed? That is
that the general thing you do just with Collie on
its because one thing that I'm thinking about now as
we're talking about this topic, I just realized that one
day my dog Colin won't be with anymore. And so
actually I don't even to think about it. He's he's eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
Do you think, Yeah, Colin, Collin's listening.

Speaker 3 (01:28:15):
Yeah, Colin's listening.

Speaker 2 (01:28:16):
He heard that it's not gonna happen.

Speaker 8 (01:28:18):
Colin.

Speaker 3 (01:28:18):
You're goodbye.

Speaker 2 (01:28:18):
You're gonna live forever.

Speaker 3 (01:28:19):
You go on. Don't listen, turn off the radio, Colin.

Speaker 2 (01:28:22):
What I think some people do, and I can see
the sense in this is that as their beloved pet
gets a little bit older, then they bring in the
second pit as as the golden years are starting, so
that it's not a replacement.

Speaker 3 (01:28:36):
I know people have done their girlfriends and boyfriends. Yeah,
and it works. A treat doesn't crossover period.

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
Just you see it's starting to fall over, bringing the
new one one eighty. If you've done that, love to
hear from you. But also, how did you say goodbye
to your beloved pete there's a lot on offer at
the moment in terms of that industry. So how leavish
did you go? Tell us? It is twenty past.

Speaker 1 (01:28:57):
Three Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call Oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty on news Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
Twenty two passed through and we're talking about Pete funerals.
What is the best way or what way did you
say goodbye to your pits when they passed away? Or
one hundred and eighty ten eighty as number to call
and ninety two ninety two is the text number. We'll
go to Morris can I Morris, Yeah, boys, yeah.

Speaker 26 (01:29:24):
High of the Neapolitan Mastiffs. She died when she was eleven,
but when she was too I got a little Jack
Russell to wave across, who's still with us today? And
so I said, oh gee was So we buried her
out in a paddock with a bit of a view
and under a tree, and we did that and got
the kids there. We all dug the hole together, we
buried it. Then we had a bit of a surmonth,
you know what I mean. And then we had a

(01:29:45):
few beers afterwards, nice around the barbecue, and everyone had
to tell a story. And believe you, I think we're
ned all about eleven o'clock at night telling the stories
because she was a bit of a character, well known
around the community, not because she ran away, because she
was a character. And then what we found was that
the goodwood buried her. The little Jack Russell. She never
left the gravesite for about three weeks. Oh, just sat

(01:30:06):
on top. Yeah, it was the best mate.

Speaker 3 (01:30:09):
Wow.

Speaker 26 (01:30:09):
And when you look at all the photos and you think, yeah,
but I think Christ for you know, nowadays you've got
photos and all this stuff with store and the clouds
and that. So we've just got hundreds and hundreds of photos
and memories and you go back a look at them,
and every now and then you'll do something and it
does become quite emotional. But it's the same where their
farm dogs have always said the same thing, you know,

(01:30:31):
long service. They get buried in the spot. Once they
get a certain age. We don't work them. They just
they end up with three or four dogs running around
the backyard. We're sort of running around the house and
all whatever.

Speaker 18 (01:30:40):
You know.

Speaker 26 (01:30:40):
We've got a conny corny pig that we had for
donkeys ears that that's buried and we've we've got the
picture between that's what we do, but we're on our farm,
so it's it's a bit different than those and you've
got to treat them a little bit of dignity and respect.
But I don't think I'd go and spend five or
six grand I was living in town of Buriers in
the backyard. You've got to I think you've got to
go go and do something because you've had them for

(01:31:01):
with it's two or three years, five years of ten years.
That makes no difference to a part of your life.
And I think they're part of your family. And it's
what we said was for the children's perspective, it was
very very important. I got to say goodbye.

Speaker 6 (01:31:13):
Yeah, because yeah.

Speaker 26 (01:31:14):
And so we try and look at it. There's no
different bit of men I passed away or green Dad
passes away. Let's say we looked at it. Yeah, it
wouldn't have been quive green.

Speaker 3 (01:31:23):
Well, this is a side of you I haven't experienced before, Morris.
It's very touching. It is.

Speaker 26 (01:31:29):
Oh, she was pretty special. One of the few dogs
that Sela be the who are plied tevn Yeah, right, when.

Speaker 3 (01:31:34):
You're not smacking kids bums, the and the teven. You're
having heartbreaking funerals for the pits that you love. You're complicated, gentlemen, Morris,
and I inspect that. Thank you for you cool.

Speaker 2 (01:31:44):
Yeah, thank you very much. One hundred and eighty teen
eighty is that number to call? Adrian? How are you
this afternoon?

Speaker 19 (01:31:50):
Goody good, how are you guys?

Speaker 2 (01:31:52):
Very good?

Speaker 8 (01:31:54):
Good good.

Speaker 19 (01:31:55):
So I had a cocker Spaniel and we lost her
when she was fifteen.

Speaker 18 (01:32:01):
And she became ill.

Speaker 19 (01:32:04):
On a Friday lunchtime, we took her to the vets
and we went as a family, so to two of
my kids. My two kids came with me, they were
eleven and nine at the time, and we took her
to the vets and we spoke, you know, as a
family with a vets, and the vet had said that,
you know, she was a very old dog and you
know it's probably time that she had to go to sleep.

(01:32:26):
So we, you know, all spoke about that as a
family and then we you know, put her to sleep,
took her back, buried her in the back garden, and
all of the family, you know, we did it as well.
My friend came and helped dig the hole. Because I
have a bit of a bad arm. So he dug
the hole and then we pour her in. But as
a family, you know, we were we were devastated. We

(01:32:46):
lost a massive part of our family. And yeah, I
remember on the Monday morning I went to school and
the school teacher was like, oh, hi, Adrian, how was
your weekend? And I just burst out crying and.

Speaker 8 (01:33:01):
I lost my dog.

Speaker 19 (01:33:02):
And she's like, oh, I'm a cat person. And I
was like, will you just won't get it?

Speaker 13 (01:33:06):
Will you?

Speaker 2 (01:33:07):
Did?

Speaker 3 (01:33:07):
You were there with his speeches at the at the funeral, Hydrian,
did you say any words?

Speaker 23 (01:33:13):
No?

Speaker 6 (01:33:14):
Didn't.

Speaker 19 (01:33:14):
I said, well maybe we just said she was a
good dog, you know, And then we swore would never
get a dog again. And that lasted about three months.
We went to Australia and my wife was like, I've
just seen the most beautiful dog ever.

Speaker 8 (01:33:31):
And I was like, oh, what was it?

Speaker 19 (01:33:32):
And she was like a kovoodle and I was like
oh what and she's at a kvoodle.

Speaker 18 (01:33:37):
I was like, oh that sounds terrible.

Speaker 19 (01:33:39):
And we googled it and then we looked on trade
me and then there was some for saling christ Church
and we organized a what's that message?

Speaker 18 (01:33:50):
And we saw these puppies and by.

Speaker 19 (01:33:54):
End of September, we had May and May is the
most loveliest, loyalist, friendliest dog ever and we are just
so thankful that she's in our life because.

Speaker 13 (01:34:08):
A dog breaks so much to everybody.

Speaker 19 (01:34:12):
It brings, you know, just so much enjoyment, and they
are part of your life. And I'm a farmer's son
and I'm you know, quite a hard guy, you know,
like I have, you know, the old working dogs of
you know, like you say, gone behind the shed, and
I've been the person that's taken them behind the shed.
But I think a working dog is very different to

(01:34:34):
a pet. When you have a pet dog, and I
remember you were saying earlier about crying and sobbing, and
literally sobbed my heart out when the dog went, that's
such a part of your family and you've got to
respect that they are part of your family. And you
do grieve for pets in the same way as your
grieve for parents. I grieve more for my dog than

(01:34:57):
I will grieve for my mom. Well you know, yeah,
well she's still going, but when she goes, yeah, sorry,
it can't be pretty human.

Speaker 2 (01:35:09):
Adrian, Yeah, thank you very much. Yeah, but they certainly,
I mean like they are a mess, a part of
your family, and they're there all the time, and it's
you know, nine fantastic memories.

Speaker 13 (01:35:22):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:35:22):
Dogs are just the best dogs.

Speaker 3 (01:35:24):
I mean, what are the bad memories? I mean, there's
some terrible leavings that they could create, a few bad smells,
and some dogs have done some bad stuff, but generally
a dog, they're just always so pleased to see when
you get home. They bring so much joy to a
family and house and they run around this so much
of your chat is about them, you know, so much
of a focus that it's it's heartbreaking when they go.

(01:35:45):
But that's dogs, and then there's cats, and then there's goldfish,
right right, Okay, And so I want to play some
audio after the news headlines. Probably the first time my
kids experienced loss, they had this goldfish called Apple, and
they were into apple. They talked about Apple quite a lot.
But when Apple passed, they were so upset about it

(01:36:06):
that we gave the goldfish a few funeral and not
a not a flushing funeral, a proper funeral. And I've
got the audio because I recorded the funeral, okay, and
I played it when I was the host of the
Holy Breakfast on the Matt and Jerry show. I played
that audio on the Breakfast show and I've just had

(01:36:27):
I couldn't find it for the long time. So you
know New Zealand's premiere if one reporter Alex Powell took
it on himself to to go into a deep investigative
journalist journalism and found and he winkled out the audio
of this, this, this funeral, this man for the job.
And I just listened to it again and it made
me well up. And you might be thinking, how can

(01:36:47):
you get tears in your eyes over a goldfish funeral? Well,
I'll play the audio to you after the news headlines
and you make up your mind whether you think this
is this, this is worthy of tears?

Speaker 2 (01:36:58):
All right, brace yourself. That is coming next. We get
the headlines with Ray Lean. It is bang on half
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You can find out more at inset Herald dot co

(01:38:15):
dot inset. Back to Matt Eath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 2 (01:38:18):
Thank you very much, Raylean. We're talking about pet funerals.

Speaker 3 (01:38:21):
Yeah, So, as I said before, there, you know, when
my kids were really really little, they they lost a fish.
And this just shows how important pets can be because
the fish doesn't give you nearly as much as a
dog does a cat does at all. But but you know,
when kids first experience death, they can get quite confused
by it, So this is this is this is audio

(01:38:45):
of the funeral for a fish called Apple. Okay, big
goldfish called Apple. And this was a very very long
time ago when my kids were really little, and this
is when I was hosting the Matt and Jerry Show
on Radiohodaki. So this is the audio from that. So
it's got a bit of a lead in. We've just
we've just managed to find it. It was very hard
to find. So it's got a bit of a lead

(01:39:05):
in from from from the show. But see if you think,
see how this affects you. This this this fish funeral. Okay,
so let's play that fish funeral. Are we gonna play
it now or we play it after kingsle? No, I
think we should play it now, Okay, So I just
set it up a little bit maybe, Okay. Well, Apple

(01:39:26):
was my kids were little. It was their first pet
that they had that passed away. It was a big, old,
dirty old fish, and I was surprised how poorly they
took it. I didn't think. I don't think they're aware
of the concept of death at this point. So here
is the funeral for Apple.

Speaker 27 (01:39:59):
Apple, you were a good fish.

Speaker 10 (01:40:01):
You were a big, big, big.

Speaker 3 (01:40:03):
Fish, our favorite goldfish with it. They had.

Speaker 27 (01:40:10):
You jumped out of the tank once you lay on
the ground, and we picked you up and put your
back in the tank and floated around on your side
for a while, and then.

Speaker 3 (01:40:18):
You came back to life.

Speaker 17 (01:40:21):
And then you.

Speaker 27 (01:40:21):
Swim around for another five years of happiness, and then
one day there you went.

Speaker 9 (01:40:31):
You die, But you had a great life.

Speaker 3 (01:40:32):
Apple, so dressed in peace.

Speaker 2 (01:40:39):
Oh they get you right in the fields on with
Jerry cheapest mate.

Speaker 3 (01:40:44):
When you put on the spot to present a eulogy
to a fish, there's only so many events that the
fish had in its life. You know. You feed it
a lot, you cleaned the tank out. But Apple was
a good fish. Apple did jump out of the tank
at one point and we got up in the morning
and the kids were going apples on the ground. We
put Apple back in the tank. But boy, that's hit

(01:41:06):
me listening to that. My little sons they took that,
you know, and that's a goldfish, so you know, I
mean they're much bigger now birds. You know when when Colin,
our dog passes, oh my goodness.

Speaker 2 (01:41:20):
Just a little. I love you so much and I've
got to say beautiful officiating from you. Matt Heath that
that was That was a proud dead moment right there, right,
I'm a take a break.

Speaker 3 (01:41:29):
I'm a six year old truck driver that had to
pull over because of the tears from listening to your
show and remembering my best friend. Oh so we will
share Dino's story next.

Speaker 2 (01:41:38):
You know it brings oh, someone's cutting onions in here.
All right, we'll play some messages back very shortly, one
hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 1 (01:41:46):
A fresh take on took Back. It's Matt Heath and
Taylor Adams Afternoons. Have your say on eight hundred eighty
eight talks B.

Speaker 2 (01:41:54):
It is twenty to four and we're talking about pet funerals.
I just going to say on the text machine after
playing that little bit of audio on the loss of
your beloved and your kids beloved petfish Apple. Oh my god, Matt,
that brought me to tears. That's from lenn On. My
I can't stop crying. What beautiful audio, Matt, What lovely
kids you have, What a moment to capture. They certainly

(01:42:15):
get in our soul.

Speaker 3 (01:42:15):
Well, what's funny about that audio is that the kid,
one of the kids crying and there is now six
foot two giant of a man living in to the sticks.
I was reading it before, Dino. He says, I'm a
sixty year old truck driver that has had to pull
over because of the tears from listening to your show
and remembering my best friend, a miniature fox Herier, who
got run over right in front of me three years ago.

(01:42:36):
He was only six years old, but the best dog
I have ever had. It's taken this long to get
over him and to gain enough confidence to get another puppy,
whom I've had for six weeks now, love him to bits.
Great show. Guys, good on your Dino, nice bless.

Speaker 2 (01:42:50):
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighties. So number to call, Dan,
How are you?

Speaker 7 (01:42:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 22 (01:42:54):
Good, thanks guys yourself very well.

Speaker 2 (01:42:57):
So what did you do when it came to pet funerals?

Speaker 19 (01:43:00):
Ah?

Speaker 22 (01:43:00):
Now, well this is the story. I actually lived on
a property which was all compete cerials.

Speaker 2 (01:43:07):
Right.

Speaker 22 (01:43:09):
Yeah, so dead dog Davis, he's affectionately known. He sets
this property up up the top of the very flat
there many years ago, and yeah he does pet funerals
and it's pretty amazing. Like because I lived there, I'm sorry,
don't know you carry on? Yeah, because I lived there

(01:43:29):
and they went away for the weekend one time. As
I've got three funerals going on, I'm like, oh, Krocky,
what do I do?

Speaker 8 (01:43:35):
So I just be respectful.

Speaker 22 (01:43:36):
Let them choose their their site, dig the whole, wander away,
let them put their ped in, pull it back up
the all they want to fill it up, let and
follow it up. And they get a park and everything
like that with it. They get a hit stone for
all paving stone with a little Handrison engraved park on top.

Speaker 8 (01:43:54):
Of that as well.

Speaker 3 (01:43:55):
And does dig dog Dave, that's a great name, Dan.
How much does he charged for that service?

Speaker 7 (01:44:02):
Then?

Speaker 22 (01:44:03):
I'm not one hundred percent because they haven't lived there
for rages. I'm living up in Northland now. But if
you got I just wanted to check out aw from
pet Funderals. Oh yep, he's got all the information on
the website there. Absolutely fantastic man. He's got over teen
akers there where he's created all these walking tracks and
stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (01:44:21):
And do people go back and visit their pits there? Yep, yep.

Speaker 22 (01:44:25):
They're allowed to go back and visit any time they
like and during daylight hours, no appointment necessary. They can
just turn up and go for a wander through the
gardens and go and see their pit, and obviously you
get to see grave sites from other.

Speaker 2 (01:44:38):
Pits as well, just look them up. Very reasonable. It's
about you know, there's different prices per how big your
dog is, and he does cats as well in other
small pits. But you're roughly about five hundred bucks. And
as you say, the Marcus stones included the hand engraved
nameplate that's included, and then if you want to get
them cremated you can do that too.

Speaker 3 (01:44:57):
What a good man.

Speaker 22 (01:44:58):
Yeah, he's a top boat, he really is. It's you know,
I'm probably probably been quite bad here and given him
a plug, but that's all right. Yeah, people have places,
and I thought it was a bit.

Speaker 8 (01:45:11):
Weird at first.

Speaker 22 (01:45:11):
I'm thinking, really, really do people actually do this? But
the more I saw it from living there for a
number of years before my son was born, the more
I could understand it, you know, I can. Yeah, And
he's offering the service which people come back and they
just absolutely love the place because he's if you go
through the website you can see he's got two and
a half k walking track or something like that. Nowadays.

Speaker 2 (01:45:33):
Yeah, I'll think if you call Dan great options. So
Auckland pete funerals did dog Dave is the mean you
want to have a chat too, But it's called He's
got the Dave's Park project and it is beautiful just
looking at the video on his website. So he's got
these kind of statues of dogs, little seats that you
can sit at, a lot of flowers on the grave
side of your particular pit. Beautiful, Cheyenne, how are you?

Speaker 28 (01:45:59):
Oh yeah, not too bad, not too bad?

Speaker 2 (01:46:02):
And so what did you do in terms of pet funerals, Well,
I got.

Speaker 5 (01:46:07):
My baby get cremated and they just cost me, I
just under one thousand dollars. And yeah, I bought a
home and I've got to sit on top of the
cabinet before her was here, a cup of water and
her favorite little black football she has to play with,

(01:46:29):
no black football, started to play with.

Speaker 7 (01:46:31):
A lot of times.

Speaker 5 (01:46:33):
And I've got all the angels sitting up there beside her,
and it's my work. A couple of days ago, and
her Nicholas needs when a blue nicholas when her neck
and one day she got it. She was stretching too
much and she broke it. Say, I tended into a

(01:46:54):
little blue class. I've got to hanging up just below
the casket, sitting on top of my cabinete.

Speaker 2 (01:47:01):
Well, that's a beautiful way to say goodbyee, thank you
very much and sorry for your loss. Vaughn.

Speaker 13 (01:47:06):
How are you.

Speaker 6 (01:47:09):
Hi?

Speaker 2 (01:47:09):
How are you boys?

Speaker 28 (01:47:11):
Yeah, I'm fine. We had a little Bijeon we got
as a brand new little pup. Dad my hubby is
about six foot two, and she just fitted into his
hand at a little six week old and she just
bought so much fun into our lives. Our kids were
nineteen and twenty one, twenty one, and we boated with her,

(01:47:36):
my hobby dive. She did everything with us, and she
was honestly, when I'd come home from work at night,
I'd back in the garage. It is to worry me,
but she'd somehow skittle out the front of the car
and run around the front and you're right by the
door waiting with a wagging tail, and yeah, I mean,
they do give you so much love. But now we're older.

(01:48:00):
When we lost her, I think year two thousand and
eight and she was fourteen to the little back lean
eggs go on them and we carried it for a
few weeks. Then the right thing was not to do that.
But we have friends that we look after their dogs
now and they travel, they're younger than us, and so

(01:48:20):
we've sort of got the best of both worlds. So
we're actually coming to this evening with both of their dogs.
So you know, we get to have Toby's thirteen he's
a Golden Retriever and Teddy's little handbag dog. So we're
quite lucky really. But we decided, because we're traveling because
our kids were overseas, that no, we couldn't have another dog.

(01:48:43):
But they never leave, you do They?

Speaker 3 (01:48:46):
Now breakers dogs, aren't they? Because they they don't love
that long. He's right, Yeah, and some dogs are really
big ones are real heartbreakers. But there's a breed that's
the Great Danes. Is a breed that they call the
heartbreaker because it loves such a short amount of time.

Speaker 2 (01:49:02):
Yeah, Kirsty, how are you.

Speaker 25 (01:49:06):
Hello?

Speaker 17 (01:49:07):
Hello?

Speaker 25 (01:49:07):
Yeah, I'm very good.

Speaker 23 (01:49:08):
I'm just calling to I think the previous caller spoke
about the Auckland Pet Funerals that's at the top of
the Dairy Flat Highway by the round about a soft
Albany hill. And they're my neighbor and we've lived next
door to them now for about thirteen years and dead dog.
Dave is just such a lovely person and their grounds

(01:49:31):
are beautiful and once you've buried your animal there, they
encourage you to visit the grounds, which is their private garden.
But then visit, you know, encourage you to visit the
grounds and go and have a little look at where
your animal has been buried and enjoyed the art works.

(01:49:54):
And it's just like a private art park with their dogs.

Speaker 2 (01:50:01):
Yeah, yeah, dog day. Oh it's beautiful. I mean, clearly
he was a mess of dog lover himself. Was he
Kirsty or still as imagine?

Speaker 23 (01:50:10):
Yes, yes, yes. Since we've lived there, which is about
thirteen years, they haven't had any of their own dogs,
but they have previously had dogs who are buried on
the property. Yeah, and massive sense of humor. So there's
some sculptors that he's made around the property which are

(01:50:30):
just quirky and interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:50:33):
Yeah, what's a cool guy.

Speaker 2 (01:50:35):
So they get a lot of a lot of people,
imagine they do, but imagine there's a lot of people
coming back to visit the particular dogs dog's grave.

Speaker 23 (01:50:42):
Yes, yes, there are, you know, and they see people
come back regularly for the first number of months and
then they tend to drop off and maybe only come
back once a year or something like that. But as
life gets in the way of doing the things you
want to do. But yeah, so that, Yeah, they encourage
people to come, which is amazing considering it's their own

(01:51:05):
private garden.

Speaker 2 (01:51:06):
Yeah, Chursey, think you've very much for giving us a call.
Another shout out to dead Dog Dave in the work
he's doing at all. Compete Funerals nineteen ninety two is
the text number. We'll have a chip with, Craig get
a mate.

Speaker 18 (01:51:19):
Yeah, guys, how are they? Before I tell you the
quick story I had, I lost two foxes. They've both
been cremated. I've got them at home and they'll be
coming on the flip side when I go. They'll come
with me in my coffin. But your fish funeral that
you just played reminded me of a school campire's parent
hout for one of my daughters. And it was about

(01:51:42):
o'clock at night. We went through the dormitory to make
sure the lads were asleep in their dorminance. One little
kid just sobbing themselves. He was he was for sight himself.
So I sort of got them up and we walked
outside and I said, no, what what's up? What's up?

Speaker 22 (01:51:57):
Mate?

Speaker 18 (01:51:57):
And he goes, my best mates died and I went, oh, man,
I'm so sorry.

Speaker 19 (01:52:04):
What was his name?

Speaker 18 (01:52:05):
And it was something like Daniel or David or whatever.
I said, you know, and this is starting to get
a bit above.

Speaker 8 (01:52:12):
My pay grade, and.

Speaker 18 (01:52:17):
I sort of how did how did he die? And
he drowned and so I w't got one of the
teachers and they find up his parents and he was
talking about his goldfish. But that's what you said, Matt's true.

Speaker 22 (01:52:34):
You know.

Speaker 18 (01:52:35):
Obviously his first pet was something like that, and that
that lesson and life and death with them was quite huge.

Speaker 3 (01:52:42):
Yeah. Yeah, I mean it's got one to explain. You've
got your goldfish and then your parents say you don't
have your goldfish anymore, and then.

Speaker 8 (01:52:49):
Absolutely that's just the start of loss across your life.

Speaker 3 (01:52:52):
It doesn't.

Speaker 18 (01:52:53):
But that's the beauty of kids having pets, isn't it,
you know, because they teach They teach kids the whole
perspective of life.

Speaker 6 (01:53:02):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:53:03):
Yeah, did you did you say? Did I hear that right, Craig,
that you said that you've got some pets that you
are going to end up in the.

Speaker 2 (01:53:11):
Box with you.

Speaker 21 (01:53:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:53:13):
I've got two foxes, and when both of them passed,
I was an absolute wreck. But they've been commated. They
sit in our lounge with the photo on their box,
and when I go there in the.

Speaker 8 (01:53:24):
Coffin with me, wow night.

Speaker 2 (01:53:26):
It is very like an Egyptian pharaoh situation. Great good
on you, mates. Clearly they meant a lot to you.
A couple of teaks here, guys, had an awesome rainbow.
Laura Keith for twelve years, was the funniest little buddy,
had a funeral and planted an apple tree on top
of her as it was her favorite. Cut me way
deeper than I could have ever thought. Rest in peace.
Helmet helmet helmet. That's good name for a Laura Keat right.

Speaker 3 (01:53:51):
That's very interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:53:53):
This one says, get guys, My young kids and I
are training very hard to convince my mum to get
a new dog. She's against it. So in the meantime
I put the car window down with the family in
the car. Every time we see a dog and I yell, kindly,
look at that doggie, who's a good doggie. I'm hoping
the embarrassment what my wife feels will result in a
new pet dog soon. That's from Steve and.

Speaker 3 (01:54:10):
This text says, is it weird to get your cat's
skinned and turned into a pair of underpants when they pass? Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:54:16):
Absolutely weird. I don't like to judge, but that is
that is strange.

Speaker 3 (01:54:19):
People grieve in different ways. You know, we're not going
to joke.

Speaker 2 (01:54:22):
Nicely said, it is eight minutes to four.

Speaker 1 (01:54:25):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between.

Speaker 9 (01:54:30):
Matt Heath and Tayler Adams Afternoons, Used TALKSB.

Speaker 2 (01:54:34):
News Talks the B. It is five to four.

Speaker 3 (01:54:36):
Yeah, that brings us the end of the show. Thank
you so much for listening. It's been an emotional hour
hearing about these pets, cements, pet pet burials, So thank
you so much for your calls and text. After four pm,
Ryan is joined by Unlimited Auckland Unlimited CEO Nicole, who
wants ten extra shows at the new Western Springs upgraded stadium.

(01:54:58):
He'll tell us who's on his wish list, but right now, Tyler,
why am I playing the single from American punk rock
band The Ramones from their nineteen eighty out eighty nine
album Brain Draw.

Speaker 2 (01:55:10):
You Got me again, met Heath, and I just wait
just two seconds while this Shazam gives me the answer.
What's the name of the what's the name of the song?

Speaker 29 (01:55:17):
What I think when you hear the chorus, you'll you'll understand,
see how quickly you get it. Why I'm playing this song.
It's a great tune.

Speaker 2 (01:55:36):
Oh beautifully dark mate, because of course last hour pet
funerals don't want to be buried at the head cemetery.

Speaker 3 (01:55:43):
So easy from the Stephen King novel, and of course
the movie is the same name. All right, you seem
as you will. Let you go, Tyland. I'll be back
live tomorrow afternoon. Until then, give a taste a Kiwi
from Mask for lessons, R P.

Speaker 9 (01:55:56):
Apple, You are a good fish, Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams.

Speaker 1 (01:56:12):
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