Full Show Podcast: 29 June 2026

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Speaker 3 (00:45):
Now, a quick question for you, Matt Heathen for our audience.
Apropos of nothing, but how many appliances? Is too many appliances?
When it comes to the kitchen bench space? Do you
think the reason I asked this is right now? We
are operating, so I'm going to run you through it.
So we've got the kettle, we've got the sandwich press,
we've got the coffee machine that you gifted us, beautiful
week coffee machine.

Speaker 5 (01:05):
Oh yeah, we're still going, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
We've yep, still going all right. We've got the fryer
and we've got the smoothie maker. So that's taking up
a lot of valuable real estate on the bench. I've
got multiplugs operating up out the wazoo. But here's my problem,
that I need to get rid of one of those things.
And here's what I suggested. Because we've got the coffee
maker and that's working beautifully, I suggested that to.

Speaker 5 (01:26):
Be disrespectful to me if you took that off the
bench because I gave it to you as a gift.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
No, No, that is working a treat and really enjoying
that coffee. But here's what I've suggested. The kettle's got
to go. The kettle has to go. I no longer
have any need for the kettle. There was talk about
the sandwich press, but I actually use that sandwich press
quite a bait. So to me, the kettle's got to go.
And then all of a sudden, you know that, we
had a few friends around and they said, what do
you mean, The kittle's got to go? That is the
one thing that has to stay in a kiwi hewseon.

Speaker 5 (01:51):
So right, you can't know, mate, you've lost your minds.
You're completely insane. You need to be thrown into a
padded sal that's what they said, you can't prioritize the
sandwich maker over the kettle. The kettle is as a
crucial piece of any kind of kitchen setup.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
I ran the numbers, so I ran the hour per
usage of each of those appliances, and when it came
to the sandwich press, I calculated I was using that
bad boy at least two hours per week.

Speaker 5 (02:19):
I can see that.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
Yeah I did even say that, but I just leg
into that one beautifully tonight. But the kettle, now that
we I don't need to boil it for the old
instant coffee anymore. That gets less than twenty months.

Speaker 5 (02:32):
Years, all right, So me giving you a coffee machine
has made the kettle less important. You're not on the tea.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
Not on the tea, right, are.

Speaker 5 (02:38):
You boiling water to put into pots before you're boiling
rice and pasta to speed.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
Up the process just for the two minute noodles. Yeah,
but it's the only thing I do it for now,
all right?

Speaker 5 (02:48):
Okay, Well, I'm going to say, look, it sounds like
you've done your math on this, and like I want
to back you, but I want you to keep I
won't keep you. I want you to keep collecting data
all right, and then report back. Yeah in two weeks.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
And you can too many toasty samis maybe.

Speaker 5 (03:05):
Yeah, report back and see how it's going. Yeah, okay, yeah,
yeah yeah. Putting the toasted semi machine away might help another.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
You can have more too much cheese, all right? Into
today's sheld is a doozy for you. So let's have
a chat about Kiwi Formula Superstar Liam Lawson. So he's
spoken candidly.

Speaker 5 (03:24):
This is a great text. Is this rage bait?

Speaker 4 (03:27):
In?

Speaker 5 (03:27):
What will do you?

Speaker 6 (03:28):
Not?

Speaker 5 (03:28):
Keep the kettle out put the sandwich press in a
draw like a normal person.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
I shouldn't have I shouldn't even brought this up. I'm
getting so much had on the text machine. But keep
it coming through. I'm going to get rid of it
and I'll leave you. I'll update you as I say,
I'll keep the dumb hos going and we'll see how
we go.

Speaker 5 (03:41):
Sorry to interrupt you, you tyler, That's all right. You go
on with your stuff, all right.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
So Kiwi Formula one Superstar he Liam Lawson. Of course,
he has spoken candidly on the High Performance podcast. So
he's spoken about his exit from Red Bull, the pressure
he's faced, the resilience he's had to show and protecting
who he is and one of the most unforgiving sports
in the world. As you can imagine, he talked a
lot about New Zealand and how proud he is to
come from this beautiful country of ours. But here is

(04:07):
what he also said, when it comes to the attitude
he perceives of some in New Zealand.

Speaker 7 (04:12):
There's so much negativity in New Zealand, especially where like
if you're a kid, like I go to a go
kart track now, and you know, kids, you know, want
photos and autographs and stuff like that, and I'll ask them, what.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
Do you want to race?

Speaker 7 (04:24):
And that, Like, honestly, a seven year old kid will
tell me I want to be from one driver like you.
But it's too hard, you know, it's too impossible.

Speaker 8 (04:30):
You know.

Speaker 7 (04:31):
My dad told me it's too expensive, and I'm like,
you're seven years old, you know you can't as much
as something is very hard and very unrealistic. I feel
like it's a terrible mindset or terrible thing to teach
your son to have that mindset.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
So quite a confronting bit of info that he gave
that podcast, But that's what we want to have a
chat about. So he mentioned there are a lot of
young children he comes across on the go karting circuit.
They would love to be him one day, love to
be a Formula one superstar. But then they say it
on time and time again, it's unrealistic. I've been told
this cannot happen for me as a.

Speaker 5 (05:06):
Key we so we've been told for many years that
New Zealand has a tall pobby syndrome, that we cut
anyone down that gets ahead of themselves. The texts on
this last hour saying people think it's getting worse, Is
it getting worse? And should you? Should you be realistic
with a seven year old and tell them whether that's

(05:26):
ridiculous to dream big? Should you? Because you know, as
people are pointed out, very little chance of you becoming
an IF one drover. There's only twenty two seats, well
twenty one if you can't count Lant Stroll getting in
there because of daddy.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (05:41):
So it's not easy to get there, especially from New Zealand,
because you're not bringing the big population that brings the
money in. You know, if you're from New Zealand, there's
only five million fans guaranteed. You know, it's a lot
easier to be from Mexico or the UK or anywhere
with a large population base. Yeah, the six ISNA we

(06:02):
have too many arrogant kids. Nothing wrong with telling a
little to pull their head in.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
Oh, okay, year old, pull your head in eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. If you think it's okay to
be realistic with a seven year old nine two nine two,
I mean some people will.

Speaker 9 (06:16):
You know.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
We had a week conversation out there with someone in
the in the sports team, not going to name names,
but he said, you know, look, I can I can
understand where Kiwis are coming from when they say you've
got to be real realistic that as a father himself
and driving around and doing a lot of those sporting activities,
and you see what they're up against when you want
to try and make it, not even to Formula one,

(06:37):
just getting through the various stages until you're in contention
with maybe being one of the best in the world.

Speaker 5 (06:42):
Yeah, but I guess it permeates down through society because
becoming a Formula one driver is you know, close to impossible. Sure,
but a lot of people's dreams are slightly smaller than
that and more possible. And so if you've got a
culture that tells for seven year olds not to try
and be Formula one drivers, then you're going to be
telling some kids not to try and be doctors.

Speaker 6 (07:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (07:02):
Like it should be a culture of going dream big,
give it a go, maybe go hard. This text of
disagrees you should tell your kids the truth if they
say they want to be a Formula wonderover at seven,
you need to say, there are twenty seats, what are
the chances of a kid from New Zealand making it well?
As I said, they are twenty one seats and Lance
stroll seat, But what are the chances of a kid

(07:25):
from New Zealand making it well? I can think of
one kid there has two kids, they have three kids,
they have yes, Yeah, so there you go in a minute. Yeah,
is that the total? Because you've got Bruce yep and
Liam and Bruce's mate.

Speaker 10 (07:39):
Um.

Speaker 5 (07:40):
Anyway, we'll get on to the botto of that.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
Yeah, but what do you say, Oh, one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is tall poppy syndrome worse than it's
ever been in New Zealand? And are we a nation
of shutting down dreams and ambition? What do you say
nine two ninety two is the text number. It is
fourteen pass one.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
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Speaker 2 (08:01):
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Speaker 3 (08:04):
Be seventeen pass one talking about comments Liam Laws and
F one Superstar and a key we of course made
in a recent podcast where he talked about his own
self belief in ignoring the doubters who said if one
was out of reach for him, but he said New
Zealand as a country does have a problem with knocking
down ambition and crushing dreams. He mentioned that he meets

(08:26):
a lot of young kids at various go kart circuits
and they all say to them they want to be
an F one Superstar, but they're told consistently that it's
not going to happen.

Speaker 5 (08:34):
Yeah. Well, interesting, we were talking before about the chances
of a key we making it F one. Well we
had Brandon Hartley, so that's he raised twenty five times
in twenty seventeen, two and eight.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
Yes, of course.

Speaker 5 (08:48):
Denny Hume and Bruce McCallum, Bruce McLaren, McLaren, sorry, I
mean there's a whole team started by a New Zealander.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
Very true.

Speaker 5 (08:56):
Mccaren Right, yep, there's chriss Amon, Huge Hayden, Ganley, Mike
thickwell backwell, Tony Shelley, John Nicholson and Graham McCrae. So
this been ten we've done pretty well. Yeah, And that's
not to mention all the other huge success in motivating racing,

(09:16):
because maybe you will make it and if one, maybe
that's your dream, but then you might find other forms
of motive racing on the way through them. And there's
all different types.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (09:24):
So you know you tell a seven year old there's
no chance, well, you know there's there's there's more avenues
than a seat and if one.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
Yep, very true. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
to number to call get a Julie.

Speaker 11 (09:35):
Hi, Hi, I have a very interesting conversation.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
Sorry, that's right, you go.

Speaker 11 (09:40):
I was just going to say I had three children
close in age. What I sort of found They are
older now, but when they were young and playing in sports,
there wasn't always so much what we were telling our kids,
and we were sort of trying to give them maybe opportunities,
but you try to build confidence and maybe a bit
of reality. But in a lot of the sports teams,
I found it was other other children's parents and other

(10:04):
adults that would especially if your child was in competition,
was there for a place or a position on a
team that could be quite.

Speaker 12 (10:12):
Cruel to your right?

Speaker 5 (10:14):
Wow? Really?

Speaker 11 (10:15):
Yeah, I found there was quite a lot of that.
And I suppose we had three children, but yeah, I
thought that was quite disappointing a lot.

Speaker 5 (10:24):
A lot of times, I think you can tell a
lot about a human being with how they treat other
children that their kids compete with, you know, like even
just on the side, you know, on the side of
a rugby kids rugby and that their parents that you
sometimes see parents that are yelling abuse at the other kids.
You're like, what is wrong with you?

Speaker 11 (10:45):
We found a lot of that, and you're very strong
in rugby, netball, and I'd even say tenis a lot
of tennis and children's tennis really quite competitive, and it's
it was the parents. Yeah, I found that it were
quite and a lot of it was stuff that if
I even mentioned it or that you wouldn't even believe me.

(11:06):
But it's pretty and I think you're doesn't need to
come up against another adult. Yeah, I'm trying to knock
them down. Life will do that in its own way.
But yeah, so how.

Speaker 5 (11:17):
Do you get it right as a parent, because you know,
if we stick with the example of Liam Lawson, his
family did a lot for him to get through his
father famously. So your a parent has to be one
hundred percent behind their kid, but but not but not
a cast to other kids? Like yes, is that is
that the way to product?

Speaker 11 (11:38):
I don't think you just parent your child and parents
their abilities and gives them the opportunities. I'm not saying
we did it right, and you give them the opportunities
and treat them to treat others how you know, how
they'd like to be treated, and that's the best you
can go. But I don't think you can crush their
dreams either.

Speaker 13 (11:57):
Do you think?

Speaker 9 (11:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (11:59):
Yeah, do you think there is still a mentality in
New Zealand's that when it comes to kids sport? Let's
say that there is that mentality that a kid, even
if they are perfore I mean very well, they're kind
of taught. You've got to keep your head down. You
can't be too boastful about it. You can't put your
head above the PowerP it too much. You've got to
be humble, and nothing wrong with being humble, but you

(12:19):
know that mentality kind of. I mean, that's the essence
of tool poppy, right, I.

Speaker 11 (12:25):
Would believe, well, my becaus are only just aled out
their early twenties and so I would say it's definitely
still were and we definitely Yeah. I don't know who
you change that, but there is that culture and I
think maybe sometimes we do need to do teach the
children to be a way more confident and be proud

(12:47):
of themselves. Other countries said, so do that, America and
that treat them to teach them to be very confident.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
Yeah, yeah, I think I think America and Australia they
do that very well in terms of you know, worldwide sports.
They're not afraid to boost themselves when they're doing well.
But for some reason, it seems to be a kiwi
thing that you have even if you're doing well, you
can't skide about it. You can't be too boseful. You're
going to keep your head down and don't tell anybody
you're too good.

Speaker 11 (13:15):
I suppose that there's difference between spiting and actually just
enjoying your achievements, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (13:20):
Yeah, Yeah, yeah, that's right, I mean there is definitely,
I mean the one you don't want to precocious little
that's you know, that's why sportsmanship is such an important
part of it, right, huge.

Speaker 11 (13:33):
Part of it absolutely, And like of yeah, if your
child doesn't get a position though because the other child,
the coach's son or something, that's not teaching any anything,
really is it. I mean he's not teaching your child,
but it's definitely not teaching their child.

Speaker 5 (13:49):
Yeah, thank you for your call this, Texter. It was
a very annoying text. Okay, easy for a rich kid
like Liam to make it. Most of us are not millionaires.
Most we can hope to for as to play a
bit of footy. His life was laid out for him anyway.
That that is not true. His parents had to sell

(14:10):
their house to help pay for his racing career, and
they you know, they still did not afterwards. The money
ended up keeping him racing. So he you know, to
say that, people see this is part of the tall
poppy syndrome, isn't it so to just make up a story,
so you just just to put down someone that's done really,

(14:31):
really well. And we're talking. Liam was talking about seven
year olds that had been told not to follow their dreams.
But there's another part of toll poppy syndrome where you've
put down someone in New Zealand that's been successful. So
this person doesn't know anything about Liam Lawson says. It's
easy for a rich kid like Liam to make it.
You know, he wasn't a rich kid. So you've just
made that up. You've gone out of your way to

(14:53):
make something up to put down a New Zealander that's
been successful instead of the first instinct to be happy
for him and you know, admire his skill.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
Which buys into what Liam was saying, doesn't know What
do you say? Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is that number? Call is tall poppy syndrome getting in
the way of young Kiwi's success. Ninety two ninety two
is the text number. It is twenty four past.

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Speaker 3 (16:01):
There'd b it is twenty seven past one. So is
there a problem with tall poppy syndrome when it comes
to young kiwi's making their way in the world? Is
Liam Lawson said in a recent podcast, O eight one
hundred and eighty ten eighties number to call this Texas.

Speaker 5 (16:13):
Hey, guys, ki is a dumb The previous text about
Limb being a rich kid, what a dick? His parents
gave up everything to help support their son. If you
have the drive and desire, you can do anything with
the right attitude. Generally people will help to get you
there if you show you want it and you know
this Texas says realm Our Law firm in Totonga, helped sponsor.

(16:36):
So people will you know, if you start really putting
effort into something. As much as there's those tall poppy syndromers, yep,
there's also those that will go out of the way
to help you. Yeah, if they spot that someone is
really dedicated and working hard and has talent, people come
out of the woodwork to do the opposite of tool poppying.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
And they are great people. Get a nick Hi, No, yeah,
very good.

Speaker 16 (17:03):
I just thought i'd fight up so a Givar experience.
My boy went through go kar from seven till sixteen.
And you do get to a point even sort of
if you own your own business and you're self employed,
the cost does become prohibitive. But there's so many people

(17:23):
that give up so much for their kids and it's
the best experience you could ever give your kid.

Speaker 5 (17:30):
Really, So what kind of expenses are we talking about?
So just within the go cutting world, it starts to
get very expensive with the with the carts.

Speaker 16 (17:41):
So you start off with all the gear the cart
and the engines and the safe gear and the helmets,
the licensing. Then you've got the traveling to different events.
Once you get to a certain stage, Because you start
off with like a Cadet car. Once you get to
a certain stage, you see the people that have got

(18:03):
the big money, they can afford the new engines and
the better gear, and then they start to creep away.
So if your son or daughter's got good talent, they
can keep up to a certain point, but they do
need to get picked up by somebody that can bankroll it.

Speaker 5 (18:23):
And how you know, are there of those people about
or does does the pearent have to get on the
hustle for that?

Speaker 16 (18:30):
I mean a lot Yeah, a lot of the parents,
like I said, we've we've got our own business, so
we bankrolled it to a certain point, which.

Speaker 17 (18:38):
A lot of the parents do.

Speaker 16 (18:41):
But people like the guild Track Group and some of
the big companies that have got motorsport connections, they are
so behind supporting these kids because there's a few to
remotorsports coming through go coding.

Speaker 5 (18:55):
Was was your son thinking about being an e F
one driver when he was seven? Was that was that
his goal? And go cutting? Did he think about that
or was he just loving go cutting?

Speaker 16 (19:08):
I think it was the thrill of doing something that
goes fast.

Speaker 18 (19:12):
Originally.

Speaker 16 (19:14):
There are definitely kids out there that have got that
dream from a very early age. I mean my son
he did want to be a race car driver. He
didn't have aspirations towards F one. But yeah, I think
they all three have been that fast driver.

Speaker 5 (19:36):
Now, so you say you signed it from seven to
sixteen and did he at sixteen he went and did
something else? But even if he didn't go on, was
it a positive experience for him? Do you think looking
back it's been something that you know has helped him
his development as a human.

Speaker 16 (19:55):
Absolutely.

Speaker 12 (19:56):
Yeah. I'd recommend it for anybody that could.

Speaker 16 (20:00):
Get their son or order of the experience the whole
go karting scene. They really encourage your kids to be
just out there. They you know, they get them up
on stage, they get to give little speeches and you
see what people like Liam does in a race or

(20:23):
after the race with his interviews. They set that scene
when they're very very young, and it teaches them so
many good skills and they build some really good relationships,
which my son still got.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
Just on the wider question, Nick, when it comes to
that tall poppy, clearly you know what your son went
through in the backing you gave him in the backing
from others in that community is wonderful. But do you
think there is a mentality when it comes to sport
that there is that tall poppy behavior, particularly when kids
are coming up.

Speaker 16 (20:59):
Yeah, I think motorsport particularly they just think that parents
are just rich dicks just what their kids do everything.
But it's a case in a small percentage, but most
of the parents are supporting the up and coming future
from oto racing. It's not just about their their sun order.

(21:22):
Although yeah, to be fair, we all live a little
bit more curiously if we haven't had the chance to
do it ourselves. But yeah, it's it's just a brilliant experience.

Speaker 5 (21:32):
Yeah, good on your neck, And what's your sign up
to these days?

Speaker 16 (21:37):
Well, we got we got to the point where I
couldn't afford the bank roll it anymore.

Speaker 12 (21:44):
And luckily he.

Speaker 16 (21:44):
Discovered computer programming and decided that he wanted this flash computer.
So I did a deal. He could have the flash computer.
It might stop funding the cover, save me, save me.

Speaker 5 (21:59):
Unfortunately, Well, if this one thing, I know, well, there
is plenty of formula one to be head inside computers.

Speaker 17 (22:08):
A lot of it as well.

Speaker 5 (22:10):
Thanks for your cool neck. It's kind of like, you know,
like you can have a big dream and it may
not go all the way, but on the way, you
don't know what you will learn, right, what avenues will
open for you that that branch off from those dreams, right,
that's right? Well, and like if you face adversity then
you know you build resilience for other parts of your life.

(22:31):
To say it was a seven year old, you're not
going to make it. Don't even bother then you don't know.
You don't know that. I mean, the path may never
have ever been to f one and it seems unlikely,
But you don't know what other paths will branch off
as opposed to just sitting in your room doing nothing.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
Yep, what do you say? Oh, one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call if you have
been in the motorsport industry or you've had a kid
that's gone through it. Love to hear your thoughts on
this tall poppy syndrome? Is it alive and well when
it comes to young people's sport? Tell us it is
twenty six to two.

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Speaker 2 (24:09):
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Speaker 19 (24:09):
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Speaker 3 (24:17):
Thank you very much, Wendy, and we are talking about
Liam Lawson and comments he made in a recent podcast,
the High Performance Podcast, and which he had a lot
of nice things to say about New Zealand and how
proud he is to come from this country. But he
also said New Zealand has a problem with negativity where
he goes to a lot of go kart circuits and
hears from young kids seven year olds who say they'd

(24:37):
like to be f one, but dad says it's never
going to happen. So do we have a problem with
tall poppy syndrome and kids sport? One hundred and eighteen eighty.

Speaker 5 (24:45):
This is such airy fairy book. Follow your dreams they
call dreams because they aren't real, they are made up.
If you live in New Zealand, you are lucky if
you can feed your family. Hundreds of thousands are living
in their cars, no chance to drive race cars. Pathetic text.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
Wow, Okay, what do you say to that, Texter?

Speaker 5 (25:03):
If you think hundreds of thousands of New Zealander is
living in their cars, then you probably need to get
off tip.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
That's right.

Speaker 5 (25:09):
You're being You're being You're being mislead for clicks. Yeah,
there are not hundreds of thousands of people.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
No.

Speaker 5 (25:15):
If there are hundreds of thousands of people living cars
in New Zealand, you'll be seeing people living in their
cars everywhere you go, exactly.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
I keep those teams coming through that nineteen nine two.
You get a Scott, Oh, good afternoon, gentlemen.

Speaker 20 (25:27):
Yeah, I totally agree. I think tall Poppy in New
Zealand is rampant. I mean, you know, I mean you
look at Hollywood and these inspirational movies about these people
that came from nothing that made it, and you walk
out of the theater feeling great, don't you. Because there's

(25:50):
a land of opportunity apparently, And you know, I think
we need a bit more of that, a bit more
you know, self consciousness about you know, it doesn't matter
how small we are, we can do something. There's a
certain chap named Richard Hadley. I've never been to cricket
when I was young. It was always sort of athletics
or just basically sky enough.

Speaker 21 (26:13):
And I remember sitting down with one of my cousins
one day to watch his game of cricket and I
wasn't particularly interested. And it was Brisbane nineteen eighty five.
You remember that, yes, nine fifty.

Speaker 6 (26:27):
Two, and I thought to myself, disguised a superhero, why
haven't I ever heard of him?

Speaker 3 (26:37):
Yeah, thank you very much, Scott. Yeah, well said Richard
Hadley was a superstar.

Speaker 5 (26:42):
If Richard Hadley didn't believe he could make the New
Zealand cricket team when his hat father Walter had been
in the New Zealand cricket team, I mean he had
plenty of people in his family, Dale and Barrie yes
as well that you know, would have suggested that it's possible.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
You know.

Speaker 5 (27:01):
What I'm saying is if Walter Hadley have Richard little
Richard had said, look, I want to be a New
Zealand cricketer and it said that's just a pipe dream, Sun,
no happen. No, you will never make it. He'll be like,
but Dad, you're in the New Zealand cricket It happened for.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
You, Dad. This text says, get a guys, great show.
The problem with New Zealand is we like to take
collective acknowledgment and praise when a key we becomes an
international success, like we help them get there, but we
don't want anything to do with them when they're sacrificing
blood and tears on the way up. In fact, it
seems like we try all we can do to tear
them down or say they've got too big for their boots.

(27:37):
It's right across the country. We absolutely need to back ourselves.
But if we're going to take credit as a small
country for one of our own succeeding on the world stage,
we've got to boost them up on the journey to
get there as well, which we do not do.

Speaker 5 (27:51):
Some people that believe some crazy stuff here this Texas
says one million people are homeless in New Zealand. One
million people aren't homeless in New Zealand. Are you saying
that one in five people in New Zealand homeless people?
Need to get off TikTok?

Speaker 15 (28:02):
M hm.

Speaker 5 (28:02):
That's the kind of stuff you see on TikTok. Yeah,
you just see those people sitting in cars talking and
making up rubber absolute nonsense, how rubbish New Zealand is.
Just to get close, Yeah, because I think that takes
the sums it up. The one below it that text
previously has brain rots. What kind of statement is that?

Speaker 3 (28:18):
That is what it is? It's take top brain rot.

Speaker 5 (28:20):
But if you were walking around thinking that there were
hundred thousands there are hundreds of thousands of New Zealanders
living in their cars with no chance to drive race cars.
Then you would that would be of such a weird
way to look at New Zealand. If you actually were
seriously out on the walking around and going work thinking
there were hundreds of thousands of people living in their cars,
how could you make a sensible decision about the you know,

(28:43):
what you do in your life, because you'd be going,
my god, there's hundreds of thousand people living in cars.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
Yeah, we can't believe it.

Speaker 5 (28:48):
You've been in a state of shock. That's for all
the time.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
Yeah, But also you know today text when it comes
to ambition, which is what we're talking about here and
actually boosting people up, isn't that even more reason to
boost people up? That even if what you said and
it's complete nonsense was true, that would just say do
we not want to lift people up and encourage them
to actually go for their dreams and their ambitions?

Speaker 5 (29:08):
But it can be naive, right, So not every dream
is realistic, you know, and passion won't just get you there.
You know, there's there's luck, there's there's you know the
financial support needed. Things can go horribly wrong.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (29:25):
So you know, so follow your dreams, but you probably
want to have some realism there as well.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
Right, Yeah, what do you say?

Speaker 5 (29:32):
I want to say to your kid, you will definitely,
no matter what, if you want to be and if
one driver because you've dreamed it, you will definitely make it.
You don't want you don't want to be that, you go, well,
give it a go. And as what you say, see
what we can do to help you out.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
We will beg you.

Speaker 5 (29:50):
You want to make the all Blacks, we'll go along.
It will take you long to games and give me
some boots. You know, we'll do what we can here.
Why you can go If you work hard, you've got
a better chance of it then if you don't.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
Yeah, what do you say? I one hundred and eighty
ten eighties number to call and if you want to
see in a teaxt nine two nine two is the
text number. It is seventeen to too. Oh and I
just spied that one. Someone pushing back on that idea.

Speaker 5 (30:12):
Guys, normally I agree with you, but not today. It's
mean to be saying to parents you should be making
your child's dreams come true because it is always possible.
It's not always possible to do so. No, if you
are a family where both parents are working their butts
off to just get food on the table, it's actually
not possible the time and all the funds are are available. Well, yeah,

(30:35):
what depends what the dream is, right.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
Yeah, but it's that sacrifice, right, I mean you talk
about you push back quite rightly on that textor who
said Liam came from a rich family and we all
know that their parents put up the house to try
and make that dream come true for Liam, And I
know that's quite extreme, but you know, in terms of
a sacrifice. But yes, without pushing back too much on
that tex stream you or what you're saying, but there

(30:58):
are always sacrifices you can make if you firmly believe
your child has a dream and ambition and wants to
see how far they can go.

Speaker 5 (31:05):
Well, Christiano Ronaldo, he grew up incredibly poor, although football
is a good one because you only really need football, yep.
Lebron James grew up very poor. Mike Tyson incredibly poor. Yeah,
and a rough upbringing. Yeah, So I mean just because
you don't have a lot doesn't mean that you definitely

(31:25):
won't make it because if you if you have some
real talent, then there are people out there looking for talent.
So if you show talent then people will come out
of the woodwork to help.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
Right, Yeah, do you agree? I eatee hundred eighty ten eighties.
That number to call it is a quarter to two.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
Have a chat with the lads on eight hundred eighty
ten eighty Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons used talk, sa'd.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
Be thirteen to two? Are we too quick to shut
down dreams and ambitions in this country? I eight hundred
eighty ten eighties. The number to call this takes to said?

Speaker 5 (31:54):
The real question is how many Kiwis are living in
Formula one cars? Great question, Not many, although not a
bad place to sleep. Because your feet are sort of
about head level and a car, it's different from a
normal car. You're sort of in a reclined when you
when you get inside a formula and a k you
your pedals are sort of in line with you with you. Yeah,

(32:16):
it's interesting. Hey, sorry guys, you're misusing the phrase. Tall
Poppy syndrome is a cultural phenomenon where people are criticized, attacked,
or resented because of their success or achievements. The key
to that is that it is once they have succeeded.
I watched the podcast then was talking about not encouraging
kids dashing their dreams, not tall poppy syndrome. The point
is he was making is that we don't let kids

(32:39):
aspire to greatness, which is sad, sad, sad. Yeah, that's
what we're talking of. Yeah, but we're also saying that, well, yeah,
I mean you're probably right. We have been sort of
conflating the two things. But I think there is tall
poppy syndrome and telling people they can't make it. They're
kind of in the same ballpark of yeah, I mean.

Speaker 18 (32:58):
You're right.

Speaker 5 (32:59):
Actually texted, you're completely right, You're completely right telling kids that. Yeah,
telling kids that they won't inspire greatness isn't tall poppy syndrome.
Tall poppy syndrome is telling as all these people that
are texting in saying that Liam Lawson like, what's his
text to hear saying what a waste of time? He's

(33:21):
also ran every week, which is obviously somebod that doesn't
understand Formula one and how hard it is for a
midfield team to get points. And one of the great
things about IF one is that there's so many battles
right across the board. You know, if you're watching a
running race athletics, you don't care who comes tense. But

(33:41):
one of the great things about IF one is the
effort and the people that have put all that focus
in to get tenth. And that can be a victory
as well.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
Yes it can.

Speaker 5 (33:48):
Actually sometimes becoming sixth can be more of a victory
than the person that comes first because of the expectations
and the limitations of the carst and such. Right, but
you're actually right, You're actually right texture about the tall
poppy syndrome situation. So half our texts, but okay, tall
poppy syndrome. The people that are ragging on Liam Lawson

(34:10):
in this text machine, you are so lame. Yep, you
are so lame. If you look at Liam Lawson and
it annoys you and that you're looking for reasons to
run them down, then you are so lame. And that's
tool poppy syndrome. So what is the exact word then,
for telling your telling people that are telling kids that

(34:32):
are seven that they'll never aspire to greatness?

Speaker 3 (34:34):
Is it the lack of ambition. So we've got a
lack of ambition in this country and just pay me
out here because I could see like I could fast
go off the wrong track. But it is that inability
to actually look at people in this country and our
kids and say you can be whatever you want to be.
Whether that is just a New Zealand mentality, that is
the question that we're put oh, one hundred and eighty

(34:55):
ten eighty. But I hear what you mean about tool poppy,
and if you want to talk about tool poppy, I mean,
look just quickly on that one. We don't want to
get too caught up in that. But it extrapolates out
to tool poppy, doesn't it. If you tell a kids
that you've got to be realistic and you can only
get so far and you're chosen sports, then that extrapolates
out into the tall Poppy situation where people get too
big for their boots.

Speaker 5 (35:15):
Right. Yeah, No, I think you should be telling the
kids that they need to be realistic. Though you need
to say, well, you know, it's really hard to get there,
but if you work really hard and we'll see what
we can do, then that but just tell them there's
no chance it's the bad part of it, right, Yeah, yeah,
great texts though that you've pointed out that we've conflated

(35:36):
to ideas terribly.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
Yeah, thank you very much.

Speaker 5 (35:38):
We need to be taken knocked off our perch for that.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
Yeah, that's till poppy syndrome right there. Yeah. One hundred
ten eighty is the another to call Ben.

Speaker 4 (35:46):
How you doing, hey, fellas?

Speaker 3 (35:48):
There you go, good mates? What do you reckon?

Speaker 17 (35:51):
Oh?

Speaker 22 (35:51):
I just you know, I heard your conversation about tall
poppy syndrome and sports, and I think it's probably.

Speaker 23 (35:57):
More like more intense and kind of the arts, like
fishally growing up as like a just like a young guy.
I think, you know, coming through high.

Speaker 22 (36:07):
School and stuff. It's there's definitely a lot of whether
it be like you know, you want to fit in,
or if it's like how I just think talk popery
is it's more prevalent in kind of like music art
and like I don't know, I'm not a dancer, but
like guys that want to dance or something, you know,
just just various stuff like that. I think it's I

(36:29):
think it takes, and it took. I've noticed it's taken
for people to kind of get out of high school
and get into the real world for a few years
and then realize, well, actually, that's like the coolest thing
you can possibly do.

Speaker 19 (36:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
Yeah, interesting point, and I think that is true in
the arts when it comes to musicians. I think the
same would maybe apply that if you want to be,
you know, the next superstar or Lord for example, which
has done pretty well in some circles. That is that
realistic to tell a kid?

Speaker 5 (36:59):
Yeah? Well, what about Liam Lawson? Is that footage going
around at the moment of him playing guitar on stage
and singing with his dad when he was I think
he was seven, Yeah, and he was talented guitarist and
singer at that age as well. Yeah, so he was
willing to put his head above in the arts as
well as in motorsport.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
Yeah right. It is seven to two, Taking your calls, Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons
News Talk ZEDB.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
News Talk z B. It is five minutes to two
and we have been talking about Liam Lawson and some
comments he made on a podcast and.

Speaker 5 (37:39):
We're talking about arts and crushing artistic dreams. His liam
laws is a ten year old on stage performing with
his dad. We've not got the audio. Oh blow, uh, well,
might have to play that after after after two.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
Yeah, we'll save that one. I haven't seen it yet's
off looking for.

Speaker 5 (37:58):
Instead of going one, two three, goes one to skibbity
doo and it's very cute. Yeah, but obviously he has
and still does. He plays a guitar a lot. But
you've obviously had a dreams of being a musician as well.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
Talent to dude, quick teach to you getay, guys. The
problem is that kiwis are always looking for a slap
on the back, another awards ceremony, to attendancy. They're just
getting on with it. A very needy bunch us Kiwi's.

Speaker 5 (38:21):
I've got a bit of pushback on following your dreams though. Okay,
they don't want to share, all right, Okay, don't want
to share after two?

Speaker 3 (38:28):
All right, that's going to be good. We're going to
carry this on, of course. So taking your calls of
eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty, are we a
bunch of dream crushes here in New Zealand tell us
your thoughts nineteen nine too. If you want to send
a text New Sport on weather coming up. You're listening
to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams. We'll be back very shortly.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News
Talk said.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
The gooday to you, welcome back into the show. It
is seven pass two. We've discussing Kiwi Formula one superstar
Liam Lawson. He's spoken candidly on the High Performance podcast
about a whole bunch of things. Is Red Bull eggsit
the precies face, resilience in pushing through and protecting who
you are and one of the most unforgiving sports in
the world. He also talked about a mentality in New

(39:22):
Zealand that he thinks we need to be better on.

Speaker 7 (39:24):
There's so much negativity in New Zealand, especially where like
if you're a kid, like I go to a go
kart track now and you know kids you know want
photos and autographs and stuff like that, and I'll ask
them what do you.

Speaker 5 (39:35):
Want to race?

Speaker 7 (39:37):
And that like, honestly a seven year old kid would
tell me I want to be from one driver like you.
But it's too hard, you know, it's too impossible.

Speaker 21 (39:43):
You know.

Speaker 7 (39:43):
My dad told me it's too expensive, and I'm like,
you're seven years old, you know you can't as much
as something is very hard and very unrealistic. I feel
like it's a terrible mindset or terrible thing to teach
your son to have that mindset.

Speaker 5 (39:58):
Yeah, so is there a lot of negativity in New Zealand.
We were calling it tall poppy syndrome incorrectly in a
text to point that out. We were conflating two issues.
Tall poppy syndrome is the people that try and take
Lee and Lawsen down and say his achievements aren't that great,
chop them off like a tall poppy. But thereas you know,
quashing kids dreams. Yes, at the other end of it,

(40:20):
they're kind of similar, but at different ends of the career.
So we need a word for that tall poppy syndrome.
Is it? What is it? Is it? Dream salting treem
salting works?

Speaker 3 (40:31):
Yeah, yeah, salting the earth before it's even got a
chance to bloom.

Speaker 5 (40:35):
Yeah, basically spraying round up on the bud before it
even gets into a tall poppy.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
Right, Yeah, I think that works.

Speaker 5 (40:41):
Yeah, but is there a lot of negativity in New
Zealand more so than there used to be, oh one
hundred and eight ten eighty. The thing about chasing your
dreams though, I just want to point this about, point
this out. And we do have this thing where we
are kind of told that everyone needs to be special.

(41:02):
And I totally support if someone wants to do something,
if they want to become a Formula one and they
want to be amazing, they want to make the all blacks,
the all whites, you know whatever. Yep, if they want
to do that, totally support them and all that, you know,
be a nitty superstar whatever it is. Yes, but also

(41:22):
there is nothing wrong with the you know, there's nothing
wrong with a solid ordinary life as well. Work hard
at your job, play at a sport to whatever level
you're good at. Meet someone you love, have some kids,
make a solid home, be the best parent you can.
Have a good group of friends you enjoy hanging out with.
Make a few jokes, help them out when they need them.

(41:43):
Be a good part of your community. Coach your kids
sport if you can help out at your kids school,
volunteer at some club. Basically, be a great person for
the people around you. Your whole life. Die with a
bunch of people at your funeral whose life you may
better through your existence.

Speaker 4 (41:59):
Right.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
That is a great life, that is out about it.

Speaker 5 (42:01):
That is a great life.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
Yeah, that's a beautiful life.

Speaker 5 (42:03):
You don't have to become a Formula one superstar or
an All Black or whatever it is to live an
incredibly an incredible life that you should be very proud of, right, Yeah,
So you can be very special for the people around
you that you spend your time with in your life.
That that special group of people that are in your
sphere of your life, that that is just as honorable

(42:26):
as anything else.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
Right do you think kids? I mean, clearly kids aren't
told that at the at the younger age.

Speaker 5 (42:32):
Be a great person and build a solid life and
be a net gain to the world rather than a
drag on it.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
Yeah. Yeah, it's a good advice. What do you say? Oh,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to
call a nine. Two ninety two is the text number.

Speaker 5 (42:48):
And coming up soon we will play that audio of
a ten year old Linn Lawson playing a song that
he wrote at a school performance.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
I'm looking forward to that, Steve, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 24 (43:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (43:01):
Okoday, guys, how's the game good? Well, you took the
took the wind right out of myself because you pretty
much said what I was going to say, but ten
times probably better than I will going to But I
do believe that parents parents don't say those things to kids,
and they really really should. I I've only caught a
small portion of your program this afternoon, And my reason
for ringing was my daughter actually went to school with

(43:21):
Liam at Kobe High School. She was she was in
the same year as him, you know, she grubbed shoulders
with him before he was anything. I can tell you now.
His family aren't affluent. They're not. They're not the dead end,
sort of low low end of the income stream either.
They're just average, every day, running the mill people. And
he was just an average everyday kid with a dream,

(43:43):
and his parents fostered that as all parents should. To
put some context on that, after school I had finished,
after they'd all finished school and moved off on their ways,
my daughter ran into him and sort of said, oh, hi, Liam,
how are you doing?

Speaker 12 (43:57):
What are you up to?

Speaker 4 (43:57):
And he goes, I'm.

Speaker 8 (43:58):
Doing a defensive driving course and She looked at him
sideways and went your what you know? And he said, well,
driving Formula one, Carr is very, very different to driving
on the road.

Speaker 25 (44:07):
He says, I can't.

Speaker 8 (44:10):
I can't drive a car any better than you can.

Speaker 5 (44:12):
Yeah, well you might drive a car worse than someone
if you're a Formula one driver, because all your skills
and Formula one are not the kind of skills you want,
you know, driving, I.

Speaker 8 (44:23):
Mean what you what I know about Formula one racing.
You can fit in the thymbol and still have plenty
of room. But you know, he was just an average
kid going for his license like everybody else. You know,
he was just just happened to have a hobby and
that hobby turned into a passion, and that passion turned
into a career and now he's where he is. But
he got there by being supported by parents, and all

(44:47):
parents should do so. If your kid wants to give
a go at something and try it. My job as
a parent is to give my kids every opportunity to
do so equally as much like you've said, if my
son decides he wants to be an all white footballer
or an all black and after you know, two or
three or four seasons or terms or whatever of doing it.

(45:08):
He doesn't know one into the field from the other
and can't get.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
The ball to save himself.

Speaker 8 (45:12):
Chances are I probably want to put a little bit
of realism in there, but I'm not going to do
it to crush him. I might segue him across into
something else. But yeah, you've got to give kids a go,
and that's how you find out what they're good at well.

Speaker 5 (45:27):
And who knows who's going to have the happiest life
as well, because you know, there's so many if you
you know, I've read a lot of biographies of sports
people and musicians and actors and such, and I always
thinking about David Bowie. And this wasn't written by him,
but it was an interview with him. And he was
very successful, but he had huge emotional problems his whole life.

(45:49):
And the thing that actually made him the happiest in
his life, where he felt like he felt the most
joy was when he started driving a station wagon and
dropping his daughter off at school. That's the bit that
made him the most happy, you know what I mean.
It was the normal life. And there is a lot
to be said for the normal life, you know, just
just being involved in your kid's life, being involved in

(46:11):
the school, and all those kind of normal things, if
you do them well, and you do them out of
love and responsibility and all those kind of things can
lead to a very very happy life.

Speaker 8 (46:21):
Steve, Well, there's nothing wrong with what you said before,
which is coming right back to the beginning of my
aim was to say, there's nothing wrong with teaching kids
to be good people. Just be a good person, you know,
be the best you can be, give what you want
to go at a go. But that still requires periental assistance.
Let's face it, all kids are blank slates. If they
don't get taught you can strive for something and achieve,

(46:43):
then they're never going to believe that in anything they do.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
Yeah, good on you, Steve, what a great call just
on that you talked about. David Bubwie. I saw a
quick interview with Steven Spielberg on the red carpet. He's
got this new movie Disclosure Day out, and the interviewer
asked him, how do you live a happy life? That
is exactly what he said. He said, how do I
live a happy life? Spend more time with my kids
and my wife, And that is that I thought from

(47:06):
a guy like Steven Spielberg. He could have said all
manner of things, that the ability to do the art
that he generally loves and to make movies and to
have that ability, but he went back to just spending
more time with the family. That's how you have a
happy life.

Speaker 5 (47:19):
The stick says, what about stepbrothers. You can't be a dinosaur.
That's a very good point. I might play that audio
as well. You've got a bunch of audio that building up.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
We need to play You're lucky bug as it is
quarter pass.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
Two, your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams
Afternoons Call eight hundred eighty eighty yous talk, said.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
Be eighteen past two. So are we a bunch of
dream salters in New Zealand as insulting the earth and
destroying the poppy before it can even grow?

Speaker 5 (47:48):
And we had a text before I think it's been
I mean a caller before Ben who was talking about
how the dream salting isn't just in sport, it's also
an art, which made me remember that Liam Lawson also
is quite a talented guitarist right and audio from his

(48:09):
high school when he was a primary school, when he
was ten years old playing a song that he wrote
on guitar on stage for his school. Listen to that.

Speaker 18 (48:21):
Wow, So he wrote the song with him.

Speaker 5 (48:42):
And he's playing the guitar.

Speaker 7 (48:43):
A lot of.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
Voice that is incredible.

Speaker 5 (48:53):
He stands on bass.

Speaker 3 (48:59):
It's a lot of confidence that there's a lot of
give that up on Spotify. That's a vector of a tune.
Oh we gotta call us though, Pretty good mate. When
you said he was up on the get, I wasn't
expecting that. That is a talent and really, you know,

(49:19):
not shy with the vocals, right, so he must have.

Speaker 5 (49:23):
You know, some people are just talented across the board,
aren't they.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
That is very true. Yeah, oh, one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call a nine two
nine two is the text number.

Speaker 5 (49:31):
The six is. The problem is the likes of you
and the media over hyping these up and possibly coming
sports personality. Liam isn't a superstar. He's a good driver
amongst others who are striving to become winners, podium finishers, finishes,
actual podium finishers. He's a long way away from superstarism
stardom as you refer to him. Get real, don't over
hype him or anyone else climbing ladder. If you think

(49:52):
that Liam Lawson isn't a superstar, then you are crazy.

Speaker 3 (49:59):
If one is a giant sport, yep, and.

Speaker 5 (50:03):
There is only twenty two seats and he is one
of them, yep, and he is he cannot go out
in public basically now, he certainly could not fly commercially.
He is world famous. Yeah, he has done something absolutely phenomenal.
I don't think we're over If anything, we underhype Liam

(50:23):
Lawson's achievement.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
That's right, just as you say, getting one of those
seats out of twenty two in the world and one
of the biggest sports in the world. If that's not superstardom,
I don't know what is in your eyes, Texter.

Speaker 5 (50:34):
So what's good enough for this person? So for this text,
what's good enough for Liam Lawson to be called a superstar?

Speaker 3 (50:41):
I don't know. I don't know if you can help
people like that. You know, what more does he need
to do to become a super It's not good enough?
Got to do better.

Speaker 5 (50:49):
He was only ninth today. I mean it's a misunderstanding
of how the cars work and how the politics of
getting into a seat across a career, all these kind
of things. You're a big star if you succeed in
Formula two.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
Yeah, Texter, I'll say thank you, But yeah, keep those
texts coming through, Stan. What do you reckon oyday?

Speaker 17 (51:08):
Guys?

Speaker 24 (51:10):
There are dream killers, aspiration killers.

Speaker 12 (51:13):
And tall poppies.

Speaker 24 (51:16):
Cutters, I guess. But I want to just touch on
something aligned to that, to this and that, and that's
the politician, particularly those on the left, like late Michael
Cullen who called successful New Zealand business people rich. That's

(51:36):
the polite way of putting it. And there's a whole
mentality amongst certain politicians that if you're successful in business
in New Zealand, then you need to be taken down.

Speaker 26 (51:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
I think you know, you mentioned the left side of politics.
I see that in recent times, absolutely stand I'm arguably
in the past it might have come from the right
as well. But how do you turn that around if
that is you know, part and parcel of that mentality
at that level, how do you start to change that
at the bottom level.

Speaker 24 (52:08):
If that is true, well, I think we need to
change our whole attitude to success, whether it be on
the sports field, in the business where I mean Peter
Beck had aspirations to put rockets into space.

Speaker 5 (52:22):
Crazy is now worth hundreds of millions, a billionaire.

Speaker 24 (52:25):
I mean what what would what would Michael Cullen think us?

Speaker 5 (52:29):
Well, if you if you think about Peter Beck and
the idea of New Zealand even being in the conversation
in terms of space technology, absolutely insane.

Speaker 24 (52:44):
Well, well he's a superstar.

Speaker 5 (52:45):
Yeah, well what a crazy pling like someone someone someone
probably should have said to him, that's ridiculous. You're not
going to We're not going to be putting things into
space from New Zealand. You know, that's a nasty situation.
That's a that's a that's a totally unrealistic dream.

Speaker 24 (53:00):
Right, Well, I can, I can, I can? You can
be sure that probably somebody did in the dirty day
you know nice dream, you know, nice dream dream longs
he had, he had the perseverance to pursue his dream
and he had you know, he's a smart guy. Yeah,
and he and he's a chieved book. I mean, look,

(53:22):
they're one of the biggest They put so many rockets
up into space now, I mean.

Speaker 17 (53:27):
They put they are really.

Speaker 24 (53:29):
Up there with SpaceX and the likes. You know, they're
they're really doing it.

Speaker 5 (53:35):
I mean, to be the first private company in the
Southern Hemisphere to reach space. Crazy, incredible.

Speaker 24 (53:43):
Now he's involved in the mission mission to Mars and
and the.

Speaker 25 (53:47):
Moon as well.

Speaker 24 (53:49):
So but you know, we have a real bad attitude
to to success here with it. Like I said with
this on the sports filmoor Or, I mean.

Speaker 5 (53:58):
You know, some people do, some people do stand. But
you know, I think a lot of people also celebrate
Peter Beck and using an example of how we can
do amazing things in New Zealand. So for everyone that's
everyone that is running people down for becoming successful and
becoming wealthy off the back of their skill and ability

(54:20):
to take risks and hard work and stuff, there is
at least an equal amount of us surely that are
going Peterbeck rules. That is the coolest thing I can
possibly imagine.

Speaker 24 (54:32):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, But I mean I think we do
need to change. I mean, like in America they celebrate success,
where we don't have that culture.

Speaker 5 (54:40):
Here they seem to be. There seems to be a
movement in this in the United States to try and
to move that back a little bit though, that celebration
of success. You sort of see political movements now that
are that you know, blame all your particular problems in
life because other people have been successful. You know, if

(55:01):
you're not successful, it's because of someone else.

Speaker 24 (55:04):
Again, that seems to come from the left side of
politics to bring everybody down to the same level of mediocrity,
you know, where everybody's a winner. Not really, Unfortunately, I
don't see a lot of aspiration an entrepreneurial encouragement coming

(55:24):
from the west side of.

Speaker 5 (55:25):
You make a really good point though, because we're talking
about sport, we're talking about art a little bit. But
that those kind of dreams, those big dreams, entrepreneurial dreams,
and you know, technologic dreams and tech and stuff. That
that's you know, that's that's exactly the same thing, isn't it, Stan,
You know, and arguably arguably brings more benefits. I mean,

(55:47):
Peter Beeks brought a lot of benefits to a lot
of people by his success.

Speaker 24 (55:52):
Yeah, it's aspiration to achieve something, you know, something meaningful
for yourself and maybe for your country, you know, and
we are a great country and lockers here.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
Stan, thank you very much for giving us a call.
Do you agree with Stan?

Speaker 18 (56:05):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (56:05):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number? To
call and if you want to send a text. Nine
two nine to two is that number.

Speaker 5 (56:11):
There was a text before. I can't find it, but
it was bringing up the movie Step Brothers, the Will
Farrell movie Step Brothers and his stepfather's unrealistic dream about dinosaurs,
making the point that some dreams are not realistic. We'll
play that audio next.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
It is twenty six past two.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call Oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty on News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
It is twenty nine past too. Oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. We're talking
about dream salters, that is, salting the earth before a
tall poppy can even grow.

Speaker 5 (56:51):
And there was a text before about some dreams being unrealistic,
like in the movie step Brothers and the dad's dream
about being a designed dinosaur. Here's the audio. When I
was a kid, when I was a little boy, I
always wanted to be a dinosaur. I wanted to be
a Terrannosaurus Racks more than anything in the world. I
made my arms short, and I roam in the backyard
and I chased the neighborhood cats, and I growled, and

(57:14):
I rah. Everybody knew me and was afraid of me.
And then one day my dad said, Bobby, you're seventeen.

Speaker 3 (57:20):
It's time to throw childish things aside.

Speaker 5 (57:22):
And I said, okay, pop.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
But he didn't really say that.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
He said, stop being a dinosaur and get a job.

Speaker 5 (57:28):
But you know, I thought to myself, I'll go to
medical school, I'll practice for a little while and then'll
come back to it. He dad, how's that a skill?

Speaker 18 (57:37):
You're human, You could never be a dinosaur.

Speaker 5 (57:41):
D what's the point of Yeah, the point is, don't
lose your dinosaur. Listen to me, don't listen to me.
Prestige worldwide, that's what you gotta do.

Speaker 3 (57:50):
You're saying we should go for it.

Speaker 5 (57:51):
That's what I'm saying. Apparently, the actor Richard Jenkin's just
Ed Labbett. It was just in the script of his
inspirational speech about what you dreamed and how you followed
your dreams, he came up with the idea that he
always wanted to be a It was brilliant.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
Don't you ever give up your dinosaur.

Speaker 5 (58:07):
So if your child is that they want to be
a dinosaur, what do you say, Well.

Speaker 3 (58:11):
You wouldn't let it run till seventeen. Let's put it
that way.

Speaker 5 (58:15):
The six has said Formula one is similar to gold
and diamonds, over hyped by media and car companies. Nothing
in Formula one filters down to the normal person, says
this sector in terms of vehicle technology, and when it does,
it's for supercars and the multi rich. Didn't I know
that's not true. Yeah, because I have paddle shift peddle

(58:36):
shift gearbox in my car. Yep, so I can that's
from Formula one.

Speaker 3 (58:40):
Yep, I can change.

Speaker 5 (58:41):
I can change gears in my car used just on
my steering wheel.

Speaker 3 (58:45):
That's a lot of fun because they used to have boy.

Speaker 5 (58:47):
You see it and send it changing gears off the
steering wheel. That was crazy back in the day.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
Yeah, keep those ticks coming through a nine to two.
Nine to two, This one says, get a guys. In
terms of being dream crushes or as the same dream
salteris yeah, absolutely we are. We need to have that
mentality like some of the biggest and best countries in
the world have a mirror Australia to a far lesser extent.
You've got to actually tell people that they can do

(59:13):
whatever they want to do. There'll be a co They
will come a time naturally where they will find out
themselves that maybe they don't quite have it in them
to go all the way. But in the early stage,
particularly seven year olds, you've got to let them have
a dream, and we're too quick to knock them down.

Speaker 5 (59:29):
Hi guys. Peter Beck says this text said did an
interview on the radio and said when he went to
a bunch of businessmen in New Zealand about rocket Lab,
they all went, well, not sure about that. When he
did it in America, they all clapped and went on
about how much he wanted to do it and how
they would support him.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
Yeah, keep those six coming through and taking your calls
on oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty abs breaking.

Speaker 5 (59:53):
Also, that's huge, if.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
One says Simon everywhere at the moment.

Speaker 5 (59:56):
So who texts in these kind of things. That just
says that Formula one is overhyped by the media and
car companies. The reason why it's hyped by the media
is because it's popular and people care about it and
enjoy it as a support and enjoy so many aspects
of it. You've got the drivers, you've got the teams,

(01:00:18):
and the tech. You've got the politics, the drama and
the paddock.

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:00:23):
I mean there's so many aspects to it. That's why
it's successful, pushing things to the limit techwise. It's got
something for everyone that sport. So it's funny that someone
will go over I reckon.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
That's someone that's never watched the Formula one race in
their life. Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty has seen
number to Call, the headlines with Wendy coming up.

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Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
Thank you very much, Wendy, and we're talking about some
comments from Liam Lawson at a recent podcast. He opened
up about a whole bunch of things, but one part
in particular we've been talking about is where he said
New Zealand and Australia to a lesser extent, but we've
got a negativity when it comes to boosting up young children,
when it comes to sport and the dreams that they have.
He says he goes to a lot of go kart

(01:02:14):
circuits where young seven year olds talk to him. They
say they want to be an F one superstar like
he is, but they're being told by people around them
that it's unrealistic and it's not going to happen. So
are we a bunch of dream crushes in New Zealand's
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call? Barry?
How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 12 (01:02:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (01:02:33):
Very well, thanks guys. Interesting subjects.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
So you've you've had a bit to do with motor racing.

Speaker 17 (01:02:39):
Yeah, a little bit, yes, guys.

Speaker 22 (01:02:41):
I have.

Speaker 17 (01:02:44):
Been involved with the sport for many, many years and
we're involved initially started the Twitter Racing series. My wife
and I've been along with Sweed back in two thousand
and three and so we've had yeah, a lot of
most of the New Zealand's racing talent through that series
is in my time there and travel the world and
travel the world and work with a lot of international

(01:03:07):
drivers as well, you know, younger, younger boys. So yeah,
guys from pretty much the age of six and girls
actually sorry, but also guys from sixteen through till generally
sixteen through to nineteen years of age.

Speaker 5 (01:03:21):
You're a big You're a big reason why Liam Lawson,
you know, had the path to move through right from
from go karting to you know, being in the kind
of cars that you're going to end up driving and
Formula one, you know, within the ballpark, so you had
a huge part of this. And Lando Norris was was
down here in racing and Toyota wasn't he series at

(01:03:43):
one point?

Speaker 11 (01:03:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (01:03:44):
Yeah, Like so Lando was our champion in two thousand
and sixteen and then Lance Stroll was our champion in
twenty seventeen. But as well as all of that, we've had,
you know, all of our KYI talents, so you know,
you know, Brendan Hartley, Mitch Evans, Nick Cassidy, Shane Van
Giesberg and yeah, the list goes on and I will

(01:04:07):
have miss guys out then girls. But yeah, that's see
it looks I guess the reason that you know, ourselves
along with Twyoda, the massive investment from Toyoda set the
series up was really to push these younger people into
a space that you know, they could show their talent
and you know, from an earlier age than probably they

(01:04:30):
sort of had the opportunity in previously. So yeah, we're
very successful.

Speaker 5 (01:04:36):
For people that don't know, can you can you describe
the kind of cars that they're racing in the in
the Toyota Racing Series.

Speaker 17 (01:04:43):
Well, yeah, we started off way back in an O
four with a Chessis, so yeah, full carbon fiber Chessis
built and built in Italy. And then we took a
tweter road car engine from nextly the Towyda Silika in
New Zealand here and we developed that engine into a
racing engine and put which was no means into into

(01:05:06):
a single seater Chessis. So we ran that car for
actually over probably ten years, and then then we built
a new car in two thousand, introduced that in twenty
fifteen again just a newer derivative win to paddleshift gearbox,
which I heard you talking on my drive back to
Auckland actually about the technology that Formula one gives to

(01:05:31):
or motor racing in general gives to the average road
car you know we see on our streets, which is
you know, which is huge actually and people if people
really stopped and thought about it and understood it more,
they sort of get the picture of it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
Anyway, when you see the.

Speaker 17 (01:05:48):
Subject, guys, and you know, we haven't probably got lots
of time to talk about it, unfortunately, and i'd love to,
Well we've.

Speaker 5 (01:05:54):
Got a little bit, We've got a little bit more time.
So I've got a couple of questions for you when
you see someone like Liam Lawson as it immediate the talent,
the difference and talent you can you can spot it
straight away that you know, someone like Lando Norris and
Limb Wills and people like Lance Strohl and Liam and

(01:06:15):
Lando they come down to get some of their points
right that they're part of the accreditation progress, Is that right?

Speaker 18 (01:06:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (01:06:20):
In astially no. Yeah, so my time right through to seventeen,
we actually didn't have we didn't have what they call
super points for or super license points. So these guys
would come to girls you know, some of the national
girls and kums would come to New Zealand for the
racing mileage that we provided, you know, a very short

(01:06:41):
space of time when they would be you know and
and ice or whatever. So yeah, so you know, in
terms of talent, yeah, look, you know, as I say,
you know drivers right from you know, Brendan Hartley who
was actually our first ever race went I back in
two thousand and four, who was now you know went
to form Lae and it was lucky enough to be

(01:07:04):
on that journey with Brendan as you know, on his
management side through along with them a couple of others
of TJ is a very well known identity involved the
Scott Dixon back in the day and all that sort
of stuff. So but yeah, these these kids show the
talent and go karting and they come through into the
junior formula and then make their way now into into

(01:07:26):
the Trail to Racing series. You know, I guess the
biggest thing that I've noted over many years of being involved,
as these kids actually drag their parents into along with them.
Really successful ones drag their parents along. You know, they

(01:07:46):
are the ones on the journey and the parents are
the ones that are following. And then from there. We've
been very fortunate in New Zealand they have a lot
of people around our sport that are involved in the
you know, the funding, the financing, the mentoring of these
young people and also the mentoring of these parents of
the parents, because it's a very you know, you need

(01:08:07):
to understand how this sport works internationally, developed a break
into the sport internationally.

Speaker 9 (01:08:12):
So yeah, so.

Speaker 17 (01:08:14):
Really, these these kids drag their appearance and their mentals
and funders along on that Jenny and probably that's the
biggest difference between the ones that are really successful like
Limb and all of the other names we have talked about,
and and the people that are very good drivers but
don't probably make the top echelon.

Speaker 5 (01:08:31):
Yeah, so you know, we're talking about people following their dreams.
It's not just the likes of Liam Lawson though, you know,
with towyet racing, that's that's yours and your wife's dream
as well. So you know, talk us through that, talk
us about coming up with that idea and then pushing
through because there must have been so many challenges to
get that up and running and for it to be

(01:08:52):
so significant must must feel amazing now. But I imagine
there were times when you were pushing an unmovable object
upper hill.

Speaker 17 (01:09:00):
Yeah. Look, so I'm being very fortunate to be I
was going back as a racing driver that came through
will actually in America and in a professional sport, and
then became a driver back in New Zealand. And then
so then you know, had up a relationship with Toyota
way back in nineteen ninety as a sponsor, and then
that sort of stepped through to the point where you know,

(01:09:22):
I was involved with it as a driver in there,
and then you know, you know, they wanted to do
something in a bigger way for refer around the sport
and and sort of said, well, you know what he
asked us what to make a recommendation, you know what
we could do, and that's how we came up with
a concept for the Troida Racing Series. And yet it

(01:09:42):
was a it was a huge undertaking from all of us,
you know, Toyota in the funding side and the commitment
side and you know ourselves and our staff that we
had to employ, and we we got a series up
and running within months. Actually it was it wasn't a
full year from the start to the first race, and

(01:10:04):
you know we had a huge amount of work to
do from for everybody involved. So it was a pretty
amazing feat. And yeah it's yeh send out very very
well and continues today very successfully.

Speaker 5 (01:10:16):
Well good on you mate, what a fantastic thing to do.
And you know being a big part of Liam's success,
So good on your mate, appreciate it.

Speaker 17 (01:10:24):
And and just on Liam. You know, somebody I noted
made a comment that you know, he's not a world
class driver or whatever else. Listen, Liam Lawson has won
all the way through his career. He won on the
toy to Race go Karts Tour racing series he's won
in DTM touring cars, he's won in Former three and

(01:10:47):
Formula two. So he's a winner, and he's there on
merit and he's done an amazing job. The resilience of
him to be able to step away from Red Bull, well,
you know, to be released, which we could go into
that whole thing, but anyway, uh, well when you come.

Speaker 5 (01:11:02):
Back, yeah no, no, no, you go, you go. You
finished so well just to.

Speaker 17 (01:11:07):
Come back, you know, from that, from that disappointment to
be able to turn himself around so quickly and to
achieve what he's achieving now he's showing his true talent
and his true class. And you know, I mean here
he has finished ninth. He scored a lot of points
this year, you know, in the racing balls car and

(01:11:27):
he's done an outstanding job. And you know, I know
at the moment he's traveling with a with a young
fellow who I must mention his name, Caleb nartaua who
I've worked with in his career. He's a racing driver
also in New Zealand, trying to make it. But Caleb's
Lamb's best mate. And Caleb's been with traveling with Lamb
class a few Grand Prix. He was in Austria and

(01:11:49):
he's going to Silverstone and you know they work very
closely together as a team. And he's he's mentioned in
that interview but not named, so.

Speaker 16 (01:11:58):
I must call him out because he's a great.

Speaker 17 (01:12:00):
Young kid from Martin, from very you know, just the
Kiwi family and yeah, he's done an amazing job of
supporting his best mate.

Speaker 5 (01:12:08):
Brilliant. Well, just one last question, Barry, what do you
think the mentality is of someone and those people in
New Zealand, instead of being incredibly proud of Lamb and
proud of the achievement, want to run it down. Is
that a uniquely New Zealand thing or is there just
some people that become better because there's a shiny object

(01:12:32):
in front of them And now I want to cut
that down to site.

Speaker 17 (01:12:35):
Well, my message to New Zealand five million people in
this country just you know, look out into the world
and look at all of our amazing people that are
achieving amazing things, and just think if we didn't have
those amazing people, we wouldn't be the country we are today.
And I think you know, there is a tall poppy
syndrome in this country because of the island nation that

(01:12:56):
we are. But you know, I mean I look at
all whites then what they achieved, you know, you know,
all of our amazing sports people, you know, you know,
it goes on and on. I mean, it's not just
about motor racing, but you know, we we should be
damn proud of this country and damn proud of the
people and the kids that turned out into the world

(01:13:17):
and are making amazing successes of their lives. Next year,
I just wanted to say Peter Beck Rocket Lab just quickly.
Two thousand and four, we had a young engineer at
work for one of our teams, Steven Giles Motorsport. He'd
come out of university and I cannot think of his name,
but I should. He was working. He ended up he
was working in that year with Peter Beck. They were

(01:13:40):
launching basically skyrockets into the atmosphere, learning about rockets, and
that company has turned into an amazing thing since two
thousand and four. That it is today is incredible.

Speaker 5 (01:13:52):
Yeah, well thank you so much. Yes, as everyone's texting,
and that is Barry Tomlinson.

Speaker 3 (01:13:57):
Yeah, more Bowies and New Zealands rather than some of
our Texses coming through. But Barry what a great man.
Nice to chat back in the moment? Is eleven to three.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
A fresh take on talkback?

Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
It's Ethan Taylor Adams Afternoons have your say on eight
hundred eighty ten eighty us talk.

Speaker 3 (01:14:13):
Said be nine to three were a bit late here,
but what a great conversation with Barry Tomlinson, who was
the creator the Toyota a Toyota racing series.

Speaker 5 (01:14:23):
This Texas says. I nearly stood up and put my
hand on my heart and started singing, God defend New
Zealand in the office with what Barry Tomlinson was saying.
We need to stop listening to the wines and haters
and celebrate New Zealand for it as a place that
boxes so far above its weight. Love the show, guys, brilliant.
I think this is a funny textas that's a great text. Yeah,
this is a great text as well. My six year

(01:14:45):
old Grandstone is going to give up school next year
and play for the Warriors.

Speaker 3 (01:14:50):
Very clever, this one says, get a guys, Absolutely unbelievable.
The critics of Liam Lawson give him the credit he deserves.
He's been in the top ten fourteen times racing forty
two races. That is bloody amazing considering all the controversy
in the beginning. There's so much envy and jealousy around
tool poppy syndrome so high in New Zealand. C break
our great people in go Lium. That's from Angela and

(01:15:11):
this texasays.

Speaker 5 (01:15:12):
New Zealanders should celebrate this young man who spent his
life working to achieve his current success. An inspirational young man.
I'll follow de f one since nineteen seventy three, but
especially now with the new Zealander on the circuit. Go Liam.
So happy for him and another new Zealander putting New
Zealand on the world map. Be proud, love that who kisses.

Speaker 3 (01:15:29):
Keep those teas coming through Beggary shortly. It is seven
minutes to.

Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
Three, the issues that affect you, and a bit of
fun along the way. Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams Afternoons News
Talks edby.

Speaker 3 (01:15:41):
News Talks EDB. It is five to three, very quick
texts here geta guys, have loved the chat you've had
over the last couple of hours. All I can say
is absolutely, go Liam Lawson. He's clearly a superstar and
one of our greats. You couldn't call him anything.

Speaker 5 (01:15:58):
But yeah, so tall poppy syndrome is lame, isn't it?
And based on jealousy. It's a reflection on the hater,
not the target of the hate. But dream salters are
just as bad, which is a term we made up
today which we will pour salt on the on the
poppy before it's even grown. And yeah, you want to

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do what you can to help people achieve greatness, whether
they're in your family or just members of the community.
But on top of that, you can have an incredible
life as well, and you can be a superstar in
your own circle of friends and family. And you know,
if you across your life make the people that you
run into his life's better on whole, on the whole overall,

(01:16:44):
then that's a great life as well.

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
Right, Yep, absolutely it is.

Speaker 5 (01:16:47):
You can be a tall poppy just within your community
and family.

Speaker 3 (01:16:50):
Yep, spot on, mate, Right, Okay, very good, love that discussion.
Thanking everyone who gave us a bus and texted through,
even the haters, even the ones, even the dream salters.

Speaker 5 (01:17:01):
Nah, hate the dream salters, do better, do better?

Speaker 26 (01:17:04):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:17:05):
Coming up after three o'clock, what did you find out
about a house you move into this after a Wellington
man who bought a Rundown cottage and discovered it had
literary significance. Oh yeah, ooh, so taking your calls on
that O one hundred and eighty ten eighty and if
you want to text through nineteen nine two is that number?
New Sport on Weather with Wendy Peatree on its way.
You're listening to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams, the.

Speaker 1 (01:17:26):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk said.

Speaker 3 (01:17:35):
Me, very good afternoon. You welcome back into the show
six fast three. Great to have your company.

Speaker 5 (01:17:41):
Before we say goodbye to Liam Lawson for the show,
because we've been talking about it for a while around
the tour Poppy and dream saulting business in New Zealand.
Just during the break, I jumped on my phone and
because I consumed so much, if one content that's immediately
popped up, and it's Liam Lawson in a post race
interview talking about the fire and his carrotin if you

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watched the race, but early on he goes he gets
on the radio and seys my cars on fire, Yes,
and I'm watching this in the middle of the night.
I'm thinking, oh God, he's out of the race. But
then I forgot about it because he finished the race.
But this was some audio from from a post race
interview today.

Speaker 27 (01:18:21):
Helene Well great work, another couple of points in the bag.
But it looked a bit tricky for you early on.
It didn't seem like you were that comfortable with the car.

Speaker 26 (01:18:29):
Really.

Speaker 27 (01:18:30):
Yeah, I think there was a point when you said
the breaks.

Speaker 7 (01:18:32):
Yeah, first stent we I think they're on fire because
I had smoke and I couldn't really breathe for for
a good few laps. Yeah, no ideal, but they settled
down just first lap cars heavy obviously in traffic and yeah,
but after that everything.

Speaker 27 (01:18:49):
Was in tas the car and it's been good. All
we can is it to get some cars.

Speaker 3 (01:18:55):
At one point, just the way he started there when
you said, yeah, some misteries with the cars. Oh really,
Oh that's right. Yeah, the car was on fire.

Speaker 5 (01:19:01):
Forgot the car was on fire for what?

Speaker 16 (01:19:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:19:02):
Anyway, onto our topics religions, right, let's get into this one.
So Wellington man who bought a Rundown Eastbourne cottage near
Wellington intended on doing a quick flip, actually ended up
spending seven years restoring it after discovering its literary significance.
Of the house, known as the Glen, turned out it
was once a childhood holiday home of the famed New

(01:19:23):
Zealand writer Catherine Mansfield and is believed to have inspired
her short story at the Bay. So what started off
as a six month renovation turned into a labor of love,
with owner Jason Hotop preserving the home's heritage while modernizing
it for family living. But here's the quote. What happened
is I discovered the history of the house, I fell

(01:19:43):
in love with it and did a complete u turn.
Seas Hotop, I became obsessed with preserving that historic relevance
once I discovered it, which was well after I purchased
the home.

Speaker 5 (01:19:54):
This happens to a lot of people, right They buy
a house and then they find some history about it.
Sometimes the history you discover is that the house is
in a terrible state and it's going to cost you
a lot of money just to keep it going.

Speaker 3 (01:20:05):
There's a lot of that.

Speaker 5 (01:20:06):
Sometimes there's something about it that makes you you want
to preserve it. You find some staff, you have a
look around, you find some old Cody fireplace or whatever.
Ended up spending just heaps of money on the house
and preserving it for the sake of the house.

Speaker 3 (01:20:21):
Right yeah, yeah, So O eight one hundred eighty ten eighty,
what have you discovered about a house that you purchased,
Whether it was finding something behind part of the dry
wall or indeed historical significance that you had no idea on. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call?

Speaker 5 (01:20:36):
Hi, jentlem When we bought a house out in Avondale
that was very private when we were looking at it,
we had to make prior appointments plenty of times in
advances this texta. It turned out that the fact it
had two driveways and was somewhat like a McDonald's drive through,
and it doubled as a brothel when they were illegal
in New Zealand. What gave it away but didn't make

(01:20:57):
me think it at the time was the jumbo box
of prophyleptics in the cupboard. Oh well, okay, but the
man who sold it to us was in his late seventies. Okay,
so a house of disrepute? Yeah, did they still refer
to brothels? Now that that that that is, it's legal
as a health of house of disrepute.

Speaker 3 (01:21:14):
What's the opposite of disrepute, just repute, a house of repute,
house of repuir. Yeah, oh, eight one hundred and eighty
ten eighty. I will say, I actually think there's a
lot of people that have purchased homes that were formerly brothels.
I've heard about it a couple of times, a couple
of occasions. Used to be a brothel.

Speaker 5 (01:21:28):
Does it matter what your house previously used to be.
I've got a friend who bought a house in Ponsonby
and it's this big, beautiful house now, but it used
to be a boarding house, right. And when he went it,
first looked at the house. The reason why he bought
it was just had a great, great vibe. But then
he was reading a book on famous New Zealand murders

(01:21:50):
and as he was reading it, he just happened to
have the description and the and the author was talking
about looking over a fence and he was like, this
is my house.

Speaker 8 (01:21:57):
Look.

Speaker 5 (01:21:58):
So he discovered that that that his house had this
quite horrific criminal history, but that hasn't bothered him ever since.
And it's funny people to talk about a vibe in
a house, but as vibers always as places. Is just
felt so good when I first walked in.

Speaker 3 (01:22:14):
It's a lovely home. It's just had a couple of murder,
isn't it.

Speaker 5 (01:22:16):
Yeah, So it does it matter the history, because sometimes
it can be a really positive history and you want
to preserve it, like this case. But sometimes it can
be incredibly negative history and you don't want nothing to
do with it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:28):
Yeah, if you bought a house with a dark history,
we want to hear from you. Oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call in nine two
ninety two is the text. It is eleven past three.

Speaker 5 (01:22:37):
Oh, this is a pretty scary text that's come through
that I'll read next.

Speaker 3 (01:22:41):
Well, that sounds juicy. His talk sa'd be fourteen past three.
What did you discover about a house you purchase, whether
it had historical significance or you found something when you
started to take down the walls? Oh, eight one hundred
eighty ten eighty as number to call.

Speaker 5 (01:22:56):
This text says it's ill repute, Matthew. Do you mix
things up on purpose to get suckers like me to
text and pocket the text? Revenue? Loll Smiley face. No,
I just met mix things up because I have poor
mastery of the English English language. So it's a house
of ill repute, not disrepute.

Speaker 3 (01:23:14):
Yeah right, So if.

Speaker 5 (01:23:16):
You see it, that's a house of ill repute. That's
a very strange thing.

Speaker 3 (01:23:20):
Okay. So repute means good. Ill means it's no, they
can't be right. Repute.

Speaker 5 (01:23:25):
What's kind of a reputation, Ah okay, okay, yeah, so
it's an ill reputation. Yeah, well it depends. I mean,
you might like visiting a brothel and then it would
have a it's a house of great repute. A few
people do spending what you are into. Now this text
is interesting, Okay, it doesn't give them very many details.
All right, Rob muldoon used to live in my house.

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If you text them with some more information that behind.

Speaker 3 (01:23:52):
Was he just flatting with you or the older before?

Speaker 5 (01:23:54):
So he used to live in the new house with
you before you were there. Bought a house, found out
it was in a terrible state, says this text. To
spent more on repairing it than did on buying it.
Get an inspection. It can it can look fine on
the surface and not be so what I should look
into this? But what is your recourse if you move

(01:24:14):
into a house and you've had a building inspection and
it turns out that there's serious problems with it if
they know about it or don't know about it before
they sell it. Do you see what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah,
I should look that up. There'll be a real estate
agent that knows the answer to that. Eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty. What are your obligations around making sure
that the house that you're selling is in a decent state?

Speaker 3 (01:24:34):
Yeah, tell us if you're in the know. You work
for the industry. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty's
at number.

Speaker 5 (01:24:38):
We'll go to Craig and then I'll share that scary
text we got before.

Speaker 3 (01:24:41):
Okay, get a mates today has a game very good.

Speaker 9 (01:24:46):
This is more of a friend one than the South.
A good friend one. Bought a house restening toquoad last
year in Tokura, and I was given a hand to
put in an alarm system. And it's got a basement
under their shore house. It's like a nineteen fifties or
something sole house. And the basement had like plywood around
the walls. So we took the plywood off because we're
going to block it out and put jib on there.
And as we took the plywood off, we noticed there's

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a door in the wall. And where we found is
you go through that little doorway and there's another room
probably about eight meters by six or seven meters in size,
especially under the back lawn next to the house, and
we're like, what's this room for us? It's like a
little bunker thing built onto the back of the basement.
I did ring up Pete Walkfors on how to actually

(01:25:28):
on how to actually line the thing because it's underground.

Speaker 5 (01:25:31):
But what was the original But any idea what the
original purpose for it was.

Speaker 9 (01:25:36):
I have no idea what it is, but it's about
it's the size of like a decent sized lounge that
actually you go in the basement, there's like a little
doorway and goes to like a little like tunnel corridor
for about three or four meters and then comes out
of this big room. So we don't exactly know what
it was for, but it was maybe anything we could
think it was possibly is for a bomb shouted back
in the old days when people fought in the Jipi
Japanese to go and invade I don't.

Speaker 5 (01:25:56):
Know, but you have you seen that movie Barbarian No, No,
there's well with the watch, there's something like that going
on that it's it's quite a terrifying horror movie.

Speaker 9 (01:26:06):
Yeah, but yeah, it's kind of random, out of nowhere
taken down. But to apply when it's like there's a
door and you go, that's cool, that is cool.

Speaker 5 (01:26:14):
That is that's pretty awesome, but you should ask.

Speaker 3 (01:26:17):
Why, Yeah, what happened in that space?

Speaker 5 (01:26:19):
You really want to find the history of that.

Speaker 9 (01:26:22):
Yeah, he's trying to do that, but his wife wants
to turn into a wine cellar.

Speaker 5 (01:26:25):
Nice big one.

Speaker 9 (01:26:29):
Oh yeah, yeah, quite a bit of wine actually.

Speaker 5 (01:26:30):
Yeah, so she wants to turn into a wine cellar
and doesn't want to find out that it's some kind
of terrifying history ruined the wine.

Speaker 9 (01:26:39):
Yeah, it's not as those you're like strips and chains
type of the walls or anything. But yeah, I don't
know what it is, but it's not.

Speaker 5 (01:26:44):
A Peter Plumbering walking type situation. Yeah, sorry, not that. Yeah, yeah,
thanks for you call Graig.

Speaker 3 (01:26:50):
Yeah, thank you very much. O One hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call if you found
something strange inside a house. You purchase, we want to
hear from you. Nine to nine two is the text as.

Speaker 5 (01:26:59):
Well, So you guys will be cynical and you can
laugh at this. But we moved into a place in
the wire wrapper. I won't say exactly where it is
because it needs to be sold. It was built in
nineteen thirteen. Beautiful place with incredible grounds. Sold our Auckland house,
so it is a big place. Okay, okay, was an

(01:27:21):
absolute dream. Then we started hearing knocks at night, when
keys started going missing, doors we locked opened were open.
Then my wife saw a man in a suit and
a bowler hat at the top of the stairs one
night when I was out. He shouted at her to
get out of his house.

Speaker 3 (01:27:38):
Oh cheapest.

Speaker 5 (01:27:39):
That was just the start of things. We investigated and
it turned out that a man fitting that description had
hung himself in the place in the nineteen forties. Lee
We contacted the previous owners. No one has stayed there
for very long. All had a terrible time. Many will
laugh at us, but ask about hauntings before you buy
a house.

Speaker 3 (01:27:59):
Great question if you've got a horn scene, I mean,
that sounds terrifying. Did they keep the house In the end,
they didn't really say, and the text did it. So
still living there and just dealing with the man in
the bowler hat.

Speaker 5 (01:28:08):
Well, someone says, I won't say exactly that. He says,
I won't say exactly where, or she I won't say
exactly where because it needs to be sold. That sort
of suggests that they've got it on the market at
the moment. So anyway, they're asking people to ask about hauntings,
why don't you tell people about the haunting? I mean,
if I'm reading that right, you need to tell people
that there's a guy in a boulder hat at the
top of the stairs screaming for people to get out.

Speaker 3 (01:28:29):
Is that the law of the real estate agents? So
they have to do that? Tell us So eight one hundred,
ten eighty. And actually we've got Andrew on the line.
Who is exactly that you're a real estate agent?

Speaker 12 (01:28:38):
I am, yes, Hi, guys, how are you?

Speaker 5 (01:28:40):
What's the Yeah? So the rules around disclosure Andrew, So, yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:28:46):
They're becoming very much more in the forefront of what
we have to do. Now if you if you can
prove that the owner knew of something wrong with the
property but didn't tell the agent, that becomes a problem.
And vice versa if they told the agent and they
didn't pass that on. So disclosure becoming very much at

(01:29:06):
the forefront of what we have.

Speaker 5 (01:29:07):
To do now, right And what if you don't know, well.

Speaker 9 (01:29:14):
You should know, right.

Speaker 12 (01:29:16):
So yeah, if you didn't know of something, then yeah,
you can't necessarily pass that on. But it depends what
it is. Do you want to put me into some
more context.

Speaker 3 (01:29:26):
Yeah, yeah, We'll say, like, you're selling your house and
you haven't got a building report yourself because you're the seller,
so you'll expect people coming to buy to do the
building report. But it turns out there was a leak
under the shower that you had no idea on and
it had been sort of slowly leaking over the past
couple of years, but you don't know it as the homeowner.

(01:29:47):
Surely they if someone doesn't get a building report, they
can't come back it, you can they?

Speaker 12 (01:29:52):
Yeah, So if they didn't know about it, that's that
you obviously can't pass that on. And that's why the
building Inspections are becoming so critical with what we do
as well. So every time we do right enough and
now we are suggesting for people to get a building report.

Speaker 5 (01:30:07):
So if there is something in your house like say,
for example, it all looks good from the walls, but
say someone goes into do a renovation, take the walls out,
and they notice that the way things have been put
together asn't up to code for whatever reason. Then the
fact that you didn't know it and had no reasonable

(01:30:28):
way of knowing it. But then the person that's just
moved to the house has to fix it for whatever reason.
That obligation doesn't go back to the cellar.

Speaker 12 (01:30:39):
No, because they didn't know about it, and that's why
the building report will bring it up. If they continue
to purchase a property knowing this, they can't come back
to to the vendor about it. So I think it's
becoming more and more important for vendors to get building
reports before they put the property on the market so

(01:30:59):
they know what is right and wrong.

Speaker 5 (01:31:01):
Well yeah, yeah right.

Speaker 12 (01:31:03):
I don't think yes, there's by beware, but I do
believe that it should be more important for people to represent.
They're representing and wanting top dollar for their compity, therefore
they should know what they're selling.

Speaker 5 (01:31:15):
Yeah right, so you know you do you do your
due diligence on the property before you.

Speaker 12 (01:31:20):
Do your due diligence. You have to and obviously a
good agent will tell you to do that, so yeah,
it is. Yeah, disclosures are very important. If you know something,
you have to tell the agent what you are selling
if you know. If you don't know, and the buy
does find something else out that comes back to that

(01:31:43):
building report, so they can either act on it and
purchase a property knowing what they're purchasing, or they can
withdraw from that contract.

Speaker 5 (01:31:52):
Now, Andrew, this is going to sound silly, but we're
getting a few texts coming through. What about supernatural supernatural
things or events that have happened in the house before
someone moves in the history of the house. Does that
does that have to be disclosed?

Speaker 12 (01:32:10):
Look supernatural, I'm not actually really aware of that. That
can be. I don't know if you can prove that
or not.

Speaker 5 (01:32:17):
When you're getting a scientist and to prove that for
a book.

Speaker 12 (01:32:20):
Yeah exactly. But you know, I've had someone come in
before and actually have someone refreshed the house from any spirits.
I've had that happen before. But you know, some people
won't believe in them at all. Therefore there's nothing really
to disclose. But if there is a death, in the property.
I don't know how far back it goes, but it

(01:32:41):
definitely has to be within I'm just going to put
a hypothetical timeline. If it was within the last year
or so, that has to be disclosed and they can
purchase a property knowing that or not. But how far
back that goes, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:32:56):
Even if it's even if it's a death of you know,
on you know, there's just just a death like natural causes.

Speaker 12 (01:33:05):
Yep, has to be disclosed right right thetually, especially if
it happened in the property.

Speaker 5 (01:33:10):
If there was a murder, would it be longer, Yes,
that you know, a lot longer back murder A fifty
year old.

Speaker 12 (01:33:17):
Murder, Well, that might be slightly different, it's that old.
But this is a this is a question to ask
if it is going to influence the buying of the
property for the purchaser, that must be disclosed.

Speaker 5 (01:33:31):
Right yeah, right, I see you're saying, yeah, be funny
to have it like we've just had it showing someone
around you go, we just had an exercise. We've had
the roof painted. Actually that that's that's good and with
the wiring has been done recently. Also had an exorcism.
Someone said that to you.

Speaker 12 (01:33:48):
Butline is still there.

Speaker 3 (01:33:52):
Why did you evidence Hank to speak to the exorcist?

Speaker 5 (01:33:54):
Hey, thank you for your call, Andrew. Thanks for clearing
some of that stuff up.

Speaker 3 (01:33:57):
Yeah, I think, thank you very much. O One hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. So
if you have purchased a house with a bit of
a dark history, tell us about it. And what have
you found in a property that you have purchased. Nine
to ninety two is the text number or a light
history or a light history?

Speaker 5 (01:34:13):
Yeah, yeah, maybe Surred I don't know, had a dinner
there once.

Speaker 2 (01:34:17):
Yeah, I like that.

Speaker 3 (01:34:18):
We want to hear it. It is twenty six past.

Speaker 2 (01:34:20):
Three, Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams.

Speaker 1 (01:34:26):
Afternoons call oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty on news talks'd.

Speaker 3 (01:34:29):
Be twenty eight past three. What is something strange you've
discovered about a house that you've purchased? Tell us. So
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
This Texas says, Okay, guys, my parents purchased a home
that used to be a funeral parlor almost one hundred
years ago. Dad never questioned why there was a second
bulkhead that went nowhere, and when there was a burst pipe,
they finally had to cut it open. Inside we found

(01:34:50):
a small walled off room that had hundreds of old bottles,
odd equipment, chemicals, perfumed salt, stained glass windows from the
original building, and a few old ledges, plus accounting books.
Parents had no use for it, and a local antique
shop owner slash town historian happily took it when offered.
We have received some all old copies of photos on
how the host house originally looked. A few years too late.

(01:35:14):
Keep those teas coming through on nine two nine two.

Speaker 5 (01:35:16):
This is controversial.

Speaker 3 (01:35:18):
This is the teas that's come through.

Speaker 5 (01:35:19):
Yeah, okay, I'll decide that I'm gonna read that out
on all right.

Speaker 3 (01:35:22):
That sounds good. Get a John Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:35:25):
Hi. Years ago when I was an orcar and I
was in a Triumph club up there, and one of
the members bought a blue Triumph to two point five.
I think it was when he looked at the ownership
papers he founded had previously owned by Robert Muldoon.

Speaker 3 (01:35:44):
Oh it's the bike, the car, Oh the car? Sorry,
what kind of car was it?

Speaker 10 (01:35:51):
Triumph two point five?

Speaker 5 (01:35:52):
I tried two point five. Sorry I missed that.

Speaker 3 (01:35:55):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (01:35:55):
And it was owned by ron Aldone what sort of
what sort of era was that?

Speaker 10 (01:36:01):
Oh? Well, well, I'm not I'm not too sure when
he was Prime minister?

Speaker 3 (01:36:11):
Right?

Speaker 5 (01:36:11):
Wow?

Speaker 3 (01:36:12):
And it was in good condition freamably.

Speaker 24 (01:36:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:36:15):
Did you you think that increases the value or decreases
the value of the card?

Speaker 10 (01:36:19):
John, Well, I suppose what party give me?

Speaker 3 (01:36:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (01:36:24):
He was.

Speaker 5 (01:36:25):
He was a terrible drunk driver, Rob Muldoon, wasn't he.

Speaker 10 (01:36:28):
So I don't know that.

Speaker 5 (01:36:30):
Yeah, there's some famous stories of them letting his tires
down to stop them driving home from Parliament.

Speaker 3 (01:36:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:36:37):
So, but you know there's a possibility that the Triumphs
had a few dingles. But hey, thank if you call John.

Speaker 3 (01:36:44):
Yeah, thank you very much. Oh eight one hundred and
eighty ten eighty. So what have you discovered in a
house that you've purchased, Whether you were taking down a
wall and there was something interesting behind that wall or
a bit of a dark history? Tell us nine two
niney two is the text number as well.

Speaker 5 (01:36:57):
By guys, first flat, I moved into nineteen thirties bungalow,
popped the manhole to find a roof leak low and
behold there was a room two meters square line with
tinfoil and include a timer and a line, could have
could have, but never used it.

Speaker 3 (01:37:13):
I wonder what they were using that for. Yeah, very interesting.

Speaker 5 (01:37:17):
Yeah, there be a few grow rooms and houses around
New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:37:19):
I'll bet there is, right. Keep those teachs coming through
and taking your calls on one hundred and eighty ten eighty.
We've got the headlines with Wendy coming up. But there's
some interesting teachs coming through.

Speaker 5 (01:37:31):
Yeah, there's a few to filter through about reading them. Yeah,
I seen through your dark histories of your houses.

Speaker 3 (01:37:38):
It is twenty nine.

Speaker 2 (01:37:39):
To four news Talk said headlines.

Speaker 19 (01:37:43):
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your Ride today. A series of search warrants has been
carried out as part of an investigation into suspected Russian
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pro began last December, focusing on the activities of three
companies allegedly exporting prohibited assets. New Zealand's childcare has been

(01:38:05):
ranked the most expensive in the developed world, and analysis
by Current affairs journal The Economist cautious optimism rising job
numbers uper point seven percent for the past year point
to a recovering economy against a backdrop of concern about
the Iran war. Growth is the greatest in financial and
insurance services and public administration. Police are asking for any

(01:38:28):
sightings of suspicious activity after one thousand liters of fuel
and other items were stolen from a business in Central
Otago's Tarrace over the weekend from July the nineteenth of
June June the nineteenth, the Friday, and US Ambassador Jared
Novelli arrives today ahead of celebrations for America's two hundred
and fiftieth birthday. Plus great expectations what this All Blacks

(01:38:51):
team needs to achieve. Read Gregor Paul's full column at
enzid Herald dot co dot nz. Back to Matton Tyler, thank.

Speaker 3 (01:38:57):
You very much, wndy. It's twenty five to for What
have you found out about a house after you've purchased it,
whether it's got a dark history, a light history, or
something behind the walls? Tell us oh, one hundred and
eighty ten eighty Sea says.

Speaker 5 (01:39:08):
My grandfather was the cabinet minister who deliberately let down
Maldoone's tires to stop him drunk driving right an from Wellington.
That was Don McKinnon, Wasn't it?

Speaker 18 (01:39:16):
Was it?

Speaker 5 (01:39:17):
I believe So I could be getting the story wrong,
but I believe when he let down two tires to
stop Rob Muldoon driving home, Rob muldoone said two tires today,
don really tires today.

Speaker 4 (01:39:32):
Don rally a.

Speaker 3 (01:39:34):
Lot of respect for that man.

Speaker 5 (01:39:36):
Understand this story. I might be getting some of the
details wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:39:40):
This is an interesting takest here, he says. Okay, I
guys love the show. On the other side, I know
of a house at the beck of Havelock North that
has quite a treasure hidden in its walls. The last
person who knew all about it has since died, and
I was told by them I'm now the only person
in life who knows that house has hidden treasure. Oh wow, treasure, treasure.

Speaker 5 (01:40:00):
Wow. My mate Pete found gold in his house, did he?
He found a bunch of gold and some ice cream
containers in the garage after he bought it. It was a
deceased estate.

Speaker 3 (01:40:11):
Yeah, how much are we talking?

Speaker 5 (01:40:13):
Hundreds of thousands of dollars? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:40:15):
What a story.

Speaker 5 (01:40:16):
But he also found a dead body buried in the
backyard as well.

Speaker 3 (01:40:19):
Okay, that's stuff. Yeah, right, is the teachs number? Get
a cow.

Speaker 11 (01:40:25):
Mate?

Speaker 18 (01:40:25):
How you doing?

Speaker 3 (01:40:26):
Gods? Can you hear your story?

Speaker 18 (01:40:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (01:40:30):
I'm a builder of so many years.

Speaker 13 (01:40:33):
But you know, we were doing a renovation in Franklin
Road and Ponsonby and not many people probably realized that
Victoria Park used to be the marina. It used to
be the wharf and all the sailors and fishermen used.

Speaker 25 (01:40:50):
To come in there. And we we were uncovered a
bit of wall board and in the basement of this
three story villa and it used to be a whole
house or whatever you want.

Speaker 12 (01:41:05):
To call it.

Speaker 5 (01:41:06):
Yeah, house of.

Speaker 25 (01:41:09):
Yeah, house of ill repute, that's the one word.

Speaker 17 (01:41:12):
And yeah, but there was when we peeled.

Speaker 25 (01:41:16):
Off some of the gym board that had been screwed
over the top of the existing scrim and wallpaper, we
found a whole lot of names and from obviously the
clients as well as the ladies. And yeah, it was
quite cool and well cool as in like history because

(01:41:38):
until then I didn't actually realize that Victoria Park was
a port, but until they reclaimed it and the lady
we cut a big section of the scrim off the
wall and astra as im where the lady got it
framed and yeah, and as a picture. So it was

(01:41:58):
pretty cool.

Speaker 12 (01:41:59):
It was good.

Speaker 25 (01:41:59):
It was good history.

Speaker 9 (01:42:00):
And yeah, open my eyes.

Speaker 25 (01:42:02):
This has probably gone back thirty years now.

Speaker 5 (01:42:04):
So yeah, so this is Franklin Road, Auckland possibly.

Speaker 17 (01:42:10):
Yeah road.

Speaker 9 (01:42:12):
Mate.

Speaker 25 (01:42:12):
They used to go all the way up there right
what is now Victoria Park. Flash these days boats to
be right up on on that right by the park.

Speaker 5 (01:42:26):
There wasn't what was the intense Christmas lighttery going on
back then?

Speaker 25 (01:42:31):
Cal I wasn't and I didn't attend.

Speaker 5 (01:42:35):
I'm afraid.

Speaker 3 (01:42:38):
Thanks we call me.

Speaker 25 (01:42:40):
I didn't. I didn't attend to them.

Speaker 12 (01:42:44):
I'm old, but I'm not that old.

Speaker 3 (01:42:47):
Fair enough to Carl, thank you very much for giving
us a buzz o eight one hundred and eighty ten
eighty What have you found out about a house you purchased?
All worked on nine? If you want to see the
text before wallpapering.

Speaker 5 (01:42:57):
I wrote a false confession on the wall, knowing that
someday someone will dig up the garden looking for a body. Well,
or they will find is my cat step?

Speaker 3 (01:43:05):
Well played, Steve, Hey, I've.

Speaker 5 (01:43:07):
Got a question for people. This is side topic. Do
people still wallpaper their houses? M m, because because that
that seems like to be a lost art.

Speaker 3 (01:43:17):
It's kind of gone out of vogue, isn't it.

Speaker 26 (01:43:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:43:19):
I don't know anyone that's wallpaper in recent memory of
my friends, it's always just paint. You find the latest paint,
you paint the wall. Yeah, that's in vogue.

Speaker 2 (01:43:27):
Is it?

Speaker 5 (01:43:28):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty nine ten nine two?
Are you're still wallpapering houses? And why has that gone
out of vogue? Because it's a good idea, isn't it warpapering?
And see why did we wallpaper instead of painting?

Speaker 3 (01:43:39):
Is it cheaper than painting?

Speaker 5 (01:43:40):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:43:41):
You gotta argue maybe it is, because paint's not cheap.

Speaker 5 (01:43:44):
You can't really do it yourself because you won't line
it up properly. It's like back in the old day
sitcoms of people trying to, you know, put wallpaper on
and you match it up, get in the wallpaper glue.
What did wallpaper do? Was it? Does it keep the
place warmer? Is it better for sound? What was the
point of wallpaper rather than just painting the walls?

Speaker 3 (01:44:01):
These are all great questions if you've recently got into
your wallpaper, and we want to hear from you. Nine
two niney two is the text number. It is We
need a four antaking your calls of course. I eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 1 (01:44:12):
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks, it'd.

Speaker 3 (01:44:20):
Be very good afternoons it is seventeen to four, and
we want to hear from you. If you've purchased a house,
what did you find out about that house after the fact,
whether it had a dark history or light history, historical significance,
so you found something cool behind the wall. Oh, eight
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call as well.
And you mentioned before wallpapering matp Man the text machines

(01:44:41):
just exploded. A lot of people backing wallpaper. This one.
Get a guys. Wallpaper is coming back in trends. It's
mainly for the various patterns, but adds a bit of
pizaz to a particular house. A lot more people are
getting back into it.

Speaker 5 (01:44:58):
Right, Okay, so it's time. Does anyone say why your
wallpaper not yet? Just to add pizaz? Well, that goo.
Wallpaper hides the in perspections of the wall painting. You
need per thick plastering. Back in the day was too
hard not to mention square walls and angles and are
needed for painting otherwise it looks bad.

Speaker 3 (01:45:16):
Okay, Steve, good on your Steve. Oh, eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number two call. And if
you want to send a text, nine two ninety two
is that number.

Speaker 5 (01:45:24):
Oh my goodness, so many people texting through wallpaper is
making a comeback.

Speaker 18 (01:45:28):
I love it.

Speaker 5 (01:45:29):
I'll put your money in wallpapering. Yeah, here we go, Dave,
welcome the show.

Speaker 26 (01:45:35):
Got a how are you doing there?

Speaker 5 (01:45:36):
Fellas very good things? You know a bit about wallpapering.

Speaker 26 (01:45:40):
Yeah. I grew up on the West Coast back in
the late forties early fifties, and one of the things
had happened then the timber was they often didn't plaster them,
though banged up pretty quickly. The standard thing would be
one long passageway down through the house with a kitchen
area at the back and rooms off either side for bedrooms.

(01:46:00):
And then the planks were all but jointed inside and
they put scrim over that, and then of course it
was a lot of air he could, and so you
put wallpaper over it to stop the air leakage. And
if you go into some of the old houses, really old,
you would find the walls. There was a paper called
the ork and Weekly News, which you may nail and

(01:46:24):
I don't know when that stops, but it was a
paper that also had glossy black and white photographs in
the middle of the days before color photography, you was common,
and that was often used for wallpaper as well. They
get the weekly news, they'd read the thing, look at
the pictures and then take the pictures out and paste

(01:46:46):
them on the wall instead of having wallpaper. And one
of the things you get now if your wallpaper, you
get texture as well. You can get all sorts of
textured wallpapers, slightly raised patterns, and so you get a
little bit more variation than you've got to paint a mural.
Of course, if you paint it, and that's difficult and

(01:47:08):
probably expensive, so you can get round that by doing
the wallpapering over it.

Speaker 5 (01:47:15):
So if you had scrimm, did you, because you know,
you always hear about people pulling away wallpaper and finding
you know, newspapers from World War One and such did
if you had scrimm, did you not need to put
newspaper in there?

Speaker 2 (01:47:29):
What?

Speaker 5 (01:47:29):
What was the purpose of putting newspaper.

Speaker 26 (01:47:31):
Behind the the scrim was put there. It's scrim is
like very wide spaced sacking threads on sacking. Yeah, and
if you if you remember there like an old fashioned
potato sack. They will come in plastic or paper sacks now.

(01:47:54):
But if you if you looked at the the old
potato bags, that that was all woven fabric. And the
scrim is a very widely spaced you know, you can
see light through it very easily. And so that was
put there as a backing. And the old house I
lived in in Westport after the big earthquakes down there,

(01:48:16):
you know, a timber house flexes around. You could hear
the shockwave coming. There'd be a big, deep boom somewhere,
and then you'd hear the rush like the surf coming
up the beach, and then the whole house would shake,
and then you could hear it retreating into the district
distance and pretty spooky at night. And and the big earthquakes,

(01:48:41):
we had our chimney knockdown. I can't remember twice or
three times, but certainly the glasshouse went down twice. We
gave up after that, and you could see the house
hadn't settled quite exactly where where it had been before,
and you could see lines up the paper where ridges

(01:49:06):
where the house was a bit out of line from before.
So and if you had the front door open, it
was much more obvious because the light then shone along
the thing, and you've got shadow and light and shadow, ripples,
ridges and the paper.

Speaker 5 (01:49:23):
And so you want to put the newspaper behind that
to even things out.

Speaker 26 (01:49:28):
Yeah, so you had the scrim there, and that move
that was the scrim in the paper was just for
the to stop the air coming through because of woods.
You could feel the draft coming through if there was
a hole in the paper or there was a room
that wasn't papered. And it was also timber was a
very you know, if you're built masonry and places like that,

(01:49:50):
then the walls would in the old days would probably
not be reinforced, and so when the earthquake came through
with those shock waves, you would get real serious damage.
And if you had a house at flexor under Bit,
but it had to be pretty severe to knock a

(01:50:11):
timber house down.

Speaker 5 (01:50:12):
Yeah, thank you, for you a cool day. Thank you
for insight a lot in there. Neil, you're manufacturing wallpaper.
I understand that's correct.

Speaker 4 (01:50:20):
Yes, we're with the only wallpaper manufacturer in the Southern Hemisphere.

Speaker 5 (01:50:24):
These wow's and is it? Is it true as people
keep texting in the wallpaper's coming back.

Speaker 4 (01:50:30):
Wallpaper's definitely coming back. It's just it's really where I
suppose back in the sixties and seventies it was what
everybody did. Now it's it's just a little bit more
classy and certainly added a little bit of life and
style to your walls. And we even do digital wallpapers,
so you can have any image you like, any size
you want in wallpaper.

Speaker 5 (01:50:52):
So is there enough wallpaper and stallers around to get
the wallpaper put in when you when you sell it, Neil.

Speaker 4 (01:51:00):
There is there that's alive and well as well, there's
and there's a lot of guys that were used to
hang wallpaper back in the eighties and nineties which are
coming back and saying they want to just get retrained
on what the normal changes that have happened with wallpaper,
because the wallpaper now has past the wall so it's
so much easier.

Speaker 5 (01:51:18):
Not sorry, it pasts it south to the walls.

Speaker 4 (01:51:20):
That right, Yeah, what no, you roll paste onto the wall.
We can just put the roll at the base of
the wall and roll it up and brush it down.
So it's super easy to do, soper easy to line up.
And yeah, it just looks magic. And where the old
Ashley Wallpapers you might remember that name, but we're the

(01:51:40):
Ashley Wallpapers on the same site that started here in
nineteen sixty and by the Laura Ashley family. And I've
been here fifty three years wow. And yeah this is
my fifty third year here and we're still making wallpaper
and it's still strongly. We sell through Razine and Guthrie Barron.
We're just going into Dunnings as well. All New Zealand

(01:52:02):
made product. And it's a really absolutely good product. Nice
to hang, always getting good stuff about it.

Speaker 5 (01:52:08):
Good on you mate, How good are you guys?

Speaker 3 (01:52:11):
Aspiring walls? Is that the name of the business that's
right now? So what's what's the what's the big cellar
when it comes to patterns.

Speaker 4 (01:52:19):
Probably florals and tropical is still still out there, but
industrial looks going about, you know a little bit of
hounds tooth, you know, it's the beauty is you can
put up whatever you want. It's you know, it's it's
individual and it's so easy to put up. It's you
could just do whatever you want. Add your colors in

(01:52:40):
for a razine.

Speaker 6 (01:52:41):
We do.

Speaker 4 (01:52:42):
We make wallpapers and rasines colors as well as bunnings.
We do wallpaper and tulx tellers, so you can actually
get your wallpaper to matching with your paint schemes. And yeah,
So when I was fantastics, when I was a.

Speaker 5 (01:52:56):
Cat, we had this wallpaper at the farm in one
of the rooms in the lounge, and it was maroon
and it had an island. Every one of them had
a picture of an island and there was people and
the oldie costumes on boats and such, and it had
texture to it. Is that something that people are still

(01:53:16):
into because I used to spend hours as a kid
just steering into that.

Speaker 4 (01:53:20):
Absolutely, your texture is probably that's our real our forte
we textured wallpaper that we put in, the textures that
we put in. You know, We've got about one hundred
and twenty different textures we can put into the wallpaper,
and so it really gives just another dimension with having
having the texture, having the color and having the design

(01:53:40):
and the longevity. You know, if you think of that
wallpaper that was on your Nina's house, you know it'd
have been there for forty years.

Speaker 12 (01:53:47):
I went to a.

Speaker 4 (01:53:47):
House on Saturday night and the wallpaper had been there
fifty five years and it was still being on good
as gold. To this incredible.

Speaker 3 (01:53:55):
So yeah, still get a few with the Pahuta Kawa
prints for the for the Kiwi badge.

Speaker 4 (01:54:01):
Yes, yes, we do all ky we aana and we
just brought out a new one which is if you're
a bit frightened to do a whole wall, these one
meter circular called cirx. So it's a one meter circle
and you can have whatever you want in there, so
you can have your photo of your dog or your cat,
or your wedding photo, whatever you need, whatever you like.
And that's one hundred and fifty dollars including the paste

(01:54:23):
to stick it on the wall, and you just put
the paste on. It comes with the paste, put the
paste on and pluck it on top of your wall
and it just pops a bit of color and exactly
what you want, whether you want the old Quiriiana bumblebee
or whatever you want.

Speaker 5 (01:54:35):
No how good the Neil Ashley wallpapers by the amount
of texts coming through. My question about what happened to
wallpaper still.

Speaker 3 (01:54:44):
Going strong, yep, trending right now right it is seven
minutes to four, will beg very shortly the.

Speaker 1 (01:54:49):
Big stories, the big issues, to the big trends and
everything in between.

Speaker 2 (01:54:54):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons used talks.

Speaker 23 (01:54:57):
It'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:54:59):
It is four minutes to four.

Speaker 5 (01:55:01):
We got a sidetracked by wallpaper. But there's a lot
of ghost stories coming through, but we'll get to them
another day. Absolutely, all right, that's in the show. Thanks
so much for listening, Thanks for all your calls and
text great powerful. Heatherdop for c Allen is up next
and after four pm she ha's former Winds boss Christine
Rankin on ex proposed changes to the benefits system. But

(01:55:21):
right now, Tyler Mike Goo, good friend, Why am I
playing this absolute banger from Fleetwood Max nineteen seventy seven
album Rumors.

Speaker 3 (01:55:31):
What a tune Dreams It's gotta be because we were
talking about dream salters salting the earth before a tall
poppy can even grow to be chopped down. After Lean
Lawson's comments, surely.

Speaker 5 (01:55:41):
You nailed it. You nailed it all right. You've seem busy,
so we'll let you go. We're back tomorrow live nationwide.
Until then, give a.

Speaker 2 (01:55:50):
Taste of Key Well you bless Madam Taylor Taylor.

Speaker 1 (01:56:03):
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