Full Show Podcast: 29 May 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
Very good Afternoons. You welcome into Friday show. Always feel
good on a Friday. I hope you having a great day,
and thank you very much for giving us a listen.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Matt get A, Tyler Gideve. Want to tell you what
I'm very excited about. A bunch of great horror movies
in the theaters at the moment. Tell me more obsession.
Oh yes, the movie that cost a million dollars to
make and is going to round three hundred million worldwide,
so it's going to be one of the most profitable
movies ever made. That looks good. And also back Rooms, yes,
based off the internet meme. You know, you know it's

(01:00):
a furniture store open that you go through the back
door and there's this huge expansive backrooms. A couple of
horror movies getting really really good reviews. I'm excited about that.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Yeh yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
And there's also the Kiwi film Caterpillar in theaters as well.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Absolutely, And speaking about Caterpillar, we are going to be
chatting to writer and director Chelsea Preston Crayford about that
film and as you say, getting rave reviews.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Not a whole not a horror, not a.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Horror drama, bit of comedy in there. Yeah, but yeah,
in terms of the horror movies on display at the moment, who.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
Get out to the theaters over the long weekend? Why
don't you?

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Nicely said mate, right on to today's show.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
Weirdly said, I don't know why. Yeah, I said it
was not nice, No.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Right on to today's show. So a little bit later
in the three o'clock hour, we'll be speaking to write
and director of that amazing Kiwi film Caterpillar. And after
three point thirty, because it is Friday, the moment you
all wait for new Zealander of the Week.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
Who will it be?

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yes, looking forward to that. And also after three o'clock,
have we let the standard slip in terms of dressing
for the occasion? Listen to this clip from the Polish
Society project that is getting a lot of traction.

Speaker 4 (02:11):
This is what we've normalized. Casual didn't happen by accident.
After COVID, everything shifted, standard slipped, and a lot of
people never recalibrated. Now everything is treated like it's not
that serious, and showing up underdressed feels normal. But when
everything feels the same, nothing feels special anymore. Because dressing
for the occasion isn't about being formal.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
It's a signal of respect.

Speaker 4 (02:35):
So the next time you have something planned, dressed like
it matters, honor. The moment set a higher standard.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
Al moment is powerful, polite, it's powerful.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Some beautiful music underneath that, which could.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
You create a more annoying voice than that? But the message,
the message behind there, forget the horrible influence of voice,
and the message is that'll be getting too casual. And
what does it say about us? Is it lazy or
just less snooty than it used to be? M I
know in a restaurant, I know this much, you got
to at least take your hat off, your cap off.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Definitely, Yeah, no taps at the table, no caps at
the table.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
We all know that.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
But looking forward to your thoughts on that. After three o'clock.
After two o'clock, a big story in the Herald about
the Crusaders horses saga. So email is obtained by Mike
Thought from the Hero revealed that concerns about the safety
of the crusaders traditional match day horses at Christ Jutchu's
new stadium were raised without proper testing or evidence and
may have been overstated.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
The correspondent suggest.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
Stadium officials initially pushed back on the horses due to
perceived rests, but the emails would show that that was
never the case.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
We'll go through the timeline on this, and it is
damning for Crusaders comms. It is and look, is this
a desire to say no, say no to things instead
of doing the work to get a yes, covered up
by corporate comms basically lies. Can you ever trust an
organization's statements again? After this? When we go through the timeline,

(04:03):
it is quite bizarre, quite bizarre, very angry. Yeah, so
or are you just happy that they got rumbled for
lying and the horses are back. We'll talk about that
after too, looking forward to that.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
It's going to be a great discussion, but right now
this will also be a great discussion. The government will
phase in its promise of a longer post natal stay
over three years, with first time mothers to be put
right at the front of the queue. So the budget
put aside thirty four million dollars. That's to give new
mums the guarantee of staying in hospital for at least
three days after giving birth until now. As many people
would know, patients were discharged at a time based on

(04:38):
their specific needs, with some feeling they were rushed home
before they were ready.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
Yeah, I mean, there's so many Giving birth is an
intense physical experience, phenomenal, phenomenal thing to go through to
produce another human and bring it into the world like that.
The physical damage that you go through to do that,
let alone, you know, the mental load of the whole thing.
So be thrown out is because there's not enough space.

(05:07):
It's got to be brutal. And we were talking to
Jess Davidson before on our Real rural country dot Cot
and z Peace on the on the in the hour
and she got thrown out of after an hour. She
gave birth to her child and then they set a
timer of one hour for her to get out of there.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
That's unreal, isn't it. That is like a black mirror episode?

Speaker 3 (05:26):
Can you imagine that? And I remember I didn't go
through anything like my partner at the time went through
with our children. But even then, even when we were
leaving the hospital and I was holding our first little baby,
I was I was not ready terrifying. I was terrifying.
I was like, I'm not qualified to take this thing
home and look after it.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
As you're walking out the door, what do I do again,
how to operate this thing?

Speaker 3 (05:50):
As I was walking out the door, I said to
the nurse, does it just breathe by itself? Or do
I have to do something? I had no idea.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
What does she say to that?

Speaker 3 (05:59):
She said what I said, does that? Does it just breathe?
And she goes, yeah, yeah, just breathe. You'll be fine.
But it's taking a child, you know, out into the
world that you're then in charge of, that is huge.
It's the biggest responsibility of your entire life. Yeah, so
it seems to me, and this is from the father's
perspective that did bigger all, be honest. But from the

(06:19):
mother's perspective three days, you know, it doesn't seem a
lot to ask for to recover from going through that,
does it?

Speaker 5 (06:27):
No?

Speaker 2 (06:27):
What are you say?

Speaker 3 (06:28):
In my opinion? But what do you think? O eight
hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Nine two ninety two is the text number. So what
do you think about this particular policy and what was
your experience like when you did give birth? How long
were you allowed to stay? And what do you reckon
about being given a minimum of three days in hospital?
Give us a buzzo eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
ten your story. It is thirteen past one, bag for surely.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used
talks that'd.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Be quarter past one. So there's money in the budget
to guarantee first time mums a stay in hospital of
at least three days after giving birth. So what do
you say about that particular policy and what was your
experience like when you were in the hospital giving birth?
How fast were you pushed out the door after that experience?
Of One hundred and eighteen eighty is the number to call, Linda,
how are you the staff to noon?

Speaker 6 (07:18):
I'm good, thank you, Hopefully I won't lose you. I'm
in the car and I'm driving.

Speaker 7 (07:21):
Are you I haning?

Speaker 8 (07:22):
Three?

Speaker 6 (07:22):
Though that I'm all.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
Good, sounding beautiful at the moment, Linda, Oh, great.

Speaker 6 (07:26):
So my experience is actually as a staff member at
one of our bigger hospitals in New Zealand, and I
worked there for seventeen years and one of my jobs
was staffing, and there is a misunderstanding between a lack
of bedding and a lack of and when they can
have beds generally.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
Oh oh blo, you did cut out a little bit, Linda, Ah, Sorry,
that's right.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
You were just saying that the last thing you said
there was a misunderstanding between a number of beds and staff.

Speaker 9 (07:59):
That's right.

Speaker 6 (07:59):
When they say that they're closing beds or there's not
enough beds, generally they can find beds. It's the staff
that they don't have, so they have to work on
a ratio number of staff a number of patients. If
they have too many don't have enough staff, then they
have to shut the beds down. So our issue is
more about our lack of staff in the hospitals as

(08:20):
opposed to our lack of beds, which still hasn't been
addressed in this budget. So we can give the post
natal care, but it's not going to be optimum care
because we've got staff that are looking after you know,
up to ten patients each, which is a lot.

Speaker 10 (08:37):
It's a lot.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
So the thirty four point four million dollars for maternity services,
you don't think that will provide enough midwives. What stuff
do you need you need? Is it midwives or what
stuff do you need postnatal?

Speaker 6 (08:53):
Well, mostly midwives, depending on what kind of care they need.
If it's a medical. If it's medical that they're needing,
then it's they can have RNs, they can have nurses,
but you know, midwives are preferable. You know, the attraction
of going overseas is always going to be there because
they get paid more money. It's all about money, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (09:14):
Yeah, they work really hard. They come out of their
training with huge debts. I think they should They should
be trained for free, to be honest, and then provide.

Speaker 7 (09:23):
Their services back to New.

Speaker 6 (09:25):
Zealand for a short time to repay their debt and
then maybe they won't leave. They work so damn hard.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
Oh absolutely they do. It does say, and look, the
devil's always in the detail, But it does say in
the media release and the stories of this particular budget
proposal that a lot of that money will go to
supporting the workforce and increasing the workforce but I suppose
it's how you do that.

Speaker 9 (09:52):
That's right, that's right.

Speaker 6 (09:54):
Yeah. When they say there's no beds, that's generally no staff.

Speaker 11 (09:58):
Is what that means?

Speaker 6 (09:59):
There's not enough stuff? Before I go, yeah what, I'm
not going to be here at three o'clock. So I
just want to say I have a peeve about the
formal dress.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
Oh do you go? You go, We'll leave. We'll write
this down. We'll write this down.

Speaker 12 (10:13):
People turn up.

Speaker 6 (10:13):
To funerals dressed in casual wear, like, have some respect
for our deceased. People, put something nice on, some respect.
Don't turn up in your jeans and your swander and
your bloody gum boot and you.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Know, at least a collar shirt.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
And does it have to be does it have to
be black? Linda?

Speaker 6 (10:33):
No, I want everyone to turn up in colors of mine.
It's my it's my last, my last day on earth. Statement.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
All right, Well, I assume you'll live forever, but I'll
be there in a big yellow suit with a fedorah.

Speaker 13 (10:48):
Fabulous.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
I'll thank it's a good tack.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
Thanks for you call, Linda. You had a great day.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Thank you very much. So are you with Linda? If
you work in the maternity wards or the post natal units.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
Is she right?

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Is it not just about beds? Is it about getting
more staff? And if it is, how do you do that?
And keen on your experience as well, if you've been
in that post natal birth and experience, what is it like?

Speaker 3 (11:09):
Hey, lads, you run a great show re home birth.
Can you tell us the mortality rate? Please? It's considerably
higher than commonly acknowledged. Please don't let the conversation to
get hijacked over home birth a personal decision, and not
give credit to this new funding which will have long
term benefits for all new families. Yeah, what is the

(11:29):
Because if you're going to have a home birth, you
you've got a midwife involved, and generally speaking, things have
to be looking pretty good, right, so there's any complications
coming in? But yeah, I don't know. I don't know
what the rate is. I know that in you know,
one of my son's birth, it felt like they had
to deploy every resource in the hospital to make things

(11:49):
work out because things went a bit wrong. And I
was pleased to have all the one and a half
thousand solars, equipment and people that were there when that happened.
But yeah, I don't actually know much about home births.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
If you've been through a home birth or you've had
a home birth yourself, love to hear from you. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten Eightyes, that number to call
it is twenty one past one.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
Here yourself. Think it's The Mic Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 14 (12:13):
Winston Peters is what this do you reckon? There's enough
New Zealanders who understand the point we're in the message
that was sent and here's our reality, and you can
win an election with.

Speaker 15 (12:22):
That tuttle is that you know, there's an old saying
that it shouldn't waste a crisis. But in twenty twenty
three comes that election and it shot after it. There
was no appreciation in large chunks of the government of
just how serious crisis was. Otherwise they were never been
so forced to say, look, we can fix it.

Speaker 16 (12:39):
You know, you say we can fix it. You need to.

Speaker 15 (12:41):
Diminist the crisis, and there we are and one we'll
take three terms to turn around properly. And you say
you're going to fix it tomorrow. And that's sad.

Speaker 14 (12:47):
Back Monday from six am, The Mic Hosking Breakfast with
Mayley's Real Estate News.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Talk z B twenty three past one.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
You know a word, I love midwifery. It's quite a word, midwiffery.
It rolls off the time those day. It's beautiful mid wivery. Midwifery. Yeah,
it takes two midwives for a home birth apparently.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Okay, right, keep those teks coming through on nineteen nine two.
But Bria, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 17 (13:13):
Oh?

Speaker 18 (13:13):
Pretty good. It's libby and sunny down here in Cambridge.
I don't know what it's like up here.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
Treetown a great place Cambridge whenever I drove through Cambridge,
So I'm just I just marvel at how beautiful it is.
It's gorgeous there, great trees, good people and beautiful horses.

Speaker 18 (13:28):
Just on the dress thing. I actually worked in my
pj's yesterday because it was really cold, but normally we
always put work clothes on because my husband calls it
getting into character.

Speaker 11 (13:39):
Oh yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 18 (13:42):
But anyway, back to the success. I'm the youngest of
four and I'm getting close to sixty and my mum
and we all, she gave birth to us all in
a little maternity home up north and Papaola and I was.
She was in there for twelve days with me and
I was there last of four and we were talking

(14:03):
about it and I said, I'm worrying you in so
long and she said, because I thought your father could
you know, learn had to look after the other kids,
bus run the farm, and she said, it was quite
nice to have a rest, you know. So looking at
how things have changed, I mean, you don't get that anymore.
You don't get that full length of time, which is

(14:23):
quite sad really, because you know, as you pointed out,
it's not easy giving birth.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
No, it's it's it's I mean I never will, but
it is. It's quite an amazing thing and a miracle,
an absolutely beautiful thing, but also at the same time
a horror show.

Speaker 18 (14:45):
Oh yeah, yeah. Well, when Matt you were talking about
what you do when the baby Furst comes out. When
we had our daughter, it was a National women's and
I got into the Botany fraternity thing, you know, and
so I had about three hours there and then they said, oh,
you can leave to go to the Botany place. And
my husband was like, well, isn't she going in an ambulance.

(15:08):
It's like no, you take you know, your daughter, yourself
and your drive here and we were like, oh my god, cries.
He was like, no, really, so you let us we
haven't go on an ambulance. It was like, yeah, I can.

Speaker 3 (15:29):
It's the slowest, it's the slowest, driving, the slowest I've
ever driven in my life with my first child, taking
them to birth care in the back seat. It just
I was so nervous. I just I think I was
driving about ten kilometers an hour. It was. It's terrifying.

Speaker 15 (15:48):
I know.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
I know.

Speaker 18 (15:49):
Also, my husband thinks that each child should come out
with a handbook. Yeah, in the in the but you
really don't know what you're doing in your journey. I
think at least.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
Three days in hospital and as a as a as
a man, you immediately go, boy, I watch I hadn't
gone to sleep in those you know, uh postnatal classes.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
It's a good listen there.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
I went to a bunch of them and now suddenly
I don't know anything.

Speaker 10 (16:20):
They talk about.

Speaker 18 (16:21):
I remember them talking about iffy drools. And then when
I had a the fecialist and I was like, no, no,
I'm not no, I'm not having one. I'm just going
to do it with just gass. And then after first baby,
it was hours and he said, would you rather ride
a bike to Wellington? Or go on a ferrari, because
if you have an ipitual, you can have a reason.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
And I was like, okay, yes, and my.

Speaker 18 (16:50):
Husband was watching the dance that saying right, you're having
a contraction. I was like, hey, yay. But the second time,
my son was born super quick, and I was probably
not quite so happy. I was actually extremely grumpy to
tell everyone checking off out of the room.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
That's the poure days. That's it's because one time in
your life you're allowed to tell everyone at your fafits
when you're during childbirth.

Speaker 18 (17:15):
Yeah, looking back, you know, my mum's spending all that time,
especially if you've got a lot of kids at home,
you know, and then having time with your newborn and
you know, like I don't know, we're for complications or what.
Just learning about hearing your babies best in it out
and all those old fashion things that are so important

(17:38):
they need to be taught, you know, like to prevent
got to seek. Yeah, yeah, I don't be a great idea.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
Thank you so much for your call.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
Yeah, and enjoy Cambridge, beautiful part of the country. Oh
eight hundred and eighty eighteen eighty are you with Briar?
Do you like this idea of the government extending our
hospital stays for first time months to three days after birth.
And what was your experience like, oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighties number cool?

Speaker 3 (18:03):
Should I read this one from Ellen?

Speaker 2 (18:05):
I think? Should we read it out after the headline?

Speaker 3 (18:08):
I think it's a great one. It's you think it's great.
You back Ellen on this one.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Well, I know I don't agree with them, but I
think it's a great text. Okay, all right, we'll read
it out after the headlines.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
All right, it's explosive text from Allen.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Certainly is twenty nine past one.

Speaker 19 (18:23):
You've talk said be headlines with your Ride, New Zealand's
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Minister is defending strong comments Nikola Willis made about the
cost of superannuation rising dramatically by twenty thirty during yesterday's
budget lock up. Chris Luxon says it's entirely appropriate for

(18:43):
a finance minister to talk about future costs facing our country.
The Association of Salaried Medical Specialist says it doesn't believe
the more than twenty four billion dollars set aside for
health and the budget will turn around. Specialist referral declines
or wait times. Meanwhile, the government's hoping to take extra
stress away from new mums by rolling out a legal

(19:07):
entitlement to ever three day stays in postnatal care. State
Highway one between Livin and Munnaco has reopened following a
serious three vehicle crash this morning involving a truck. More
momentum for Hawk's Bay growers as they explore the possibility
of a local cooperative at McCain Foods soon to close

(19:28):
vegetable processing plant in Hastings. Agriculture Minister Todd mcclay's revealed
fifty thousand dollars for the first stage of a feasibility study.
House price growth revised down is the era of six
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more at inzidherld dot co dot NZID.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
Back to Matteath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
Thank you very much, Raylean. So we're talking about some
money set asite in the budget two extend the stay
for first time mums in hospital after giving birth to
three days instead of being pushed out based on specific needs.
Is that a good thing? And what was your experience
like O one hundred and eight ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
Hi, Matt and Tyler, says Allen, And this is a
text you said you support Tyler.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
No, no, I don't support it.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
I just thought it was an interesting text. Hi, Matt
and Tyler. After watching Clarkson's farm, birthing looks easy. Why
do a woman need three days? That's from Alan Ellen. Well,
what I'd say to you, Ellen, his childbirth is notoriously
difficult in humans, and that's due to I guess you
describe it as an evolutionary trade off. We walk upright

(20:32):
on two legs, and that requires narrow hips, but we
also evolved massive brains, which require large skulls, so narrow
hips and large heads, and so when you bring those
two traits together, you got babies. Well it's a tight fit.
Let's just say to the mother's pelvis, yeah, man, as

(20:52):
opposed to the pathetic sized skulls and brains of most
mammals on the planet.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
And I will also say that Jimmy Clarkson was pretty
horrified when his first sheep was going through birth. He
couldn't stand there. He had to leave.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
It was touch and go.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
There for a while.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
Allan, Yeah, yeah, yeah, Robin, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 20 (21:11):
Good? Thank you.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
Now you used to teach hypno birthing, Is that right?

Speaker 8 (21:16):
Yes?

Speaker 20 (21:16):
I did used to teach hypno birthday.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
Great. Can you explain the whole thing to us, because
I've never heard of it before.

Speaker 20 (21:22):
Robin Well, and I'm not sure I haven't. I was
hypnotherapist for fifteen years, but I haven't practiced for the
last ten years, so I don't know what's happening. But
I decided that mothers deserve to have peaceful birth and
babies deserve to be born peacefully. So hypno birthing is

(21:43):
about using hypnosis, so you teach the husband to become
the hypnotherapist. It's based around relaxation techniques with breathing as
a main focus. So it's an eight week program and
you run through looking at the fears that people have.

(22:06):
So it's about look at all your fears, but it's
about learning relaxation and the husband and learning breathing. And
it used to be breathing in for four, hold for
four out for eight and when you came to contractions,
which you didn't call contractions, you got to call birth
and your baby. It was a very elongated breathing and

(22:30):
you learned to practice how to do that in different
ways by sitting on the toilet actually and sing about movement.
So the end result is that not every not everybody
who does the class manages to achieve it. But I
did have one client who said to me, I don't

(22:52):
like to talk to my to anybody about my birth
because I didn't have any pain.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
Right, Okay, people expect, right, they expect pain, So it's
what she felt bad that she didn't experience pain. I
thought that would be a positive.

Speaker 20 (23:07):
I want to know, you know, because it isn't been
proud about anything regularly. I mean people who have home
births often as well, So it's all it's individual. But
the husband becomes that calm person that there's so reminds
the woman about the breathing.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
But you've done.

Speaker 20 (23:26):
Lots of bits where you've sat there and both the
husband and the wife do it. So you look at
all the fears that you bring to birthing, and you know,
everybody thinks of birth and they think of pain and when,
and that's not wrong either, because that's that's what it is.
And you know, you never can till with perth what

(23:48):
an actual fact is going to happen. But originally trained
in Australia, and then I went to the States and
trained and trained with Meghan. Just at the moment her
name flips me and she was the one that introduced
it my birthing.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
So you can do it in hospital, Robin, You can
do it hospital.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
You can do it.

Speaker 20 (24:09):
Yes, my first granddaughter was a hypno birthing baby in hospital.
In hospital. Oh yes, you don't do it at home.
You do it in hospital.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Very interesting.

Speaker 20 (24:21):
I mean, well, people have a choice of what they
want and I have to. I suppose you have to
believe in yourself, and I thought it was for me.
It was a premise that babies deserved to be born peacefully. Yeah,
and so did mothers. And basically it's just calm. So
for eight weeks you're going into this calm place, you're

(24:43):
actually getting yourself And there's a relaxation technique that you
do every night so that you learn, to an actual fact,
take yourself into that state of hypnosis in a way,
and that state of relaxation.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
Wow, interesting, Robin, sounds pretty incredible.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Were you the calming influence you needed to be in
that birthing suite?

Speaker 3 (25:02):
Manneath, I was calming myself down on a lot of
nitros oxide. I was getting on the nitro soft side
until the mid wife told me to settle down. But
it was that was coming me down.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
You pay your texes.

Speaker 16 (25:12):
Well, I.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
Wasn't using it at the detriment of anyone else, but
they just so happened to be another canister around and
that did calm me down.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Yea fair enough to Yeah, keep those calls coming through
on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Oh and boy
oh boy, there's been some pushback when it comes to
Allen's text.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
Dear Allen, try squeezing a bowling ball out of your
tailpipe and let us women know how it goes for you.
Regards Tracy, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
Keep those coming. In nineteen ninety two, Allan, You're in trouble.
Made it. There is twenty one to two.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons Hu's talks.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
That'd be it is nineteen to two, and we're talking
about an element of the budget which we'll see you
mothers being allowed to stay on hospital for a minimum
of three days instead of being pushed out due to
their specific needs. Is that a good thing. I eight
hundred eighty ten.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
Eighty pushed out after pushing a baby out. The six
is three day post natal care for first time mums
should be at the absolute minimum. Learning to latch baby
on correctly for feeding is not easy, and that's before
their milk comes in. Then it can be even more stressful, painful,
and a whole lot harder to do. Also, a woman's
body has so much going on post Bertha, pain, discomfort,

(26:28):
their milk coming in, and then to top that all off,
the three day blues kicking.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
It is a lot, that emotional toll. Yeah, that's huge.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
It is a lot. It is a lot. And speaking
of a lot, Ali, you've had eight children, Yes, I
have well done impressive keeping the population going.

Speaker 17 (26:48):
Now, looking at this legislation, you say that it's basically
saying that everyone's the new mums can have a minimum
of three days in hospital, right, you know there's a
whole lot that can happen while they're trying to adjust
to this whole thing with the new baby.

Speaker 6 (27:08):
And you know, I mean, I'm going to.

Speaker 11 (27:10):
Make a lot of years here.

Speaker 17 (27:11):
I've seen I've seen mums come and go because they
want to rush home.

Speaker 21 (27:15):
They just want to be amongst their own environment, which
is all very well, but some moms don't even know
how to bath and baby. They try and rush them
out so quickly. Some are not ready to actually integrate
into their own.

Speaker 17 (27:26):
Home, to get into the routine. I mean just thinking.
Sometimes I remember seeing some babies that got Jaunders three years.
You see, some mums can't monitor things like that sometimes.
And this is where the planket service comes. And you know,
it's remarkable after you go home. You know, I swear
by the planket they were wonderful.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
But how different was that? How different was it for
you for your I can only imagine, like how much
more you knew by your later children than you knew
with your first job. How was one compared to say eight, Well.

Speaker 17 (28:00):
The one was the first one was. It was a
shock because I was told to shut up by the
nurse because I was screaming too loud in the and
the what the theater? He actually told me to shut
up because I was taking making too much noise and
I wake up mums in the rooms.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
If you're not a let us screaming childbirth?

Speaker 11 (28:19):
Ah no no.

Speaker 17 (28:20):
But but after that I actually got used to the
breathing and actually pushing through the pain because probably some
mums are not used to the pain and can really
get to them. That's why I'm not a fan of
their for drills either.

Speaker 22 (28:32):
I prefer to push through it.

Speaker 17 (28:33):
And it's just as a woman was saying the hypto
burthing that that sounds so lovely and wonderful. I think
that was great. I mean I never had that, but
that that sounds really ideal because I believe it can
prepare you better for contractions and the whole burthing process.
But in saying that, way back, I didn't have all
the you know, all the sort of the ideas of

(28:57):
what you need to do when you have a new baby.
But after the first tour through I got the hang
of it, and the the after care was wonderful. And
the time in hospital I thought I actually stayed in
for four days for the first avery.

Speaker 21 (29:10):
Now it wasn't.

Speaker 17 (29:11):
It was actually about six days I think, And then
after that I actually stayed in longer the other home,
staying in after I had the other children, because I
think my husband needed the break so they can get
ready to.

Speaker 21 (29:22):
Come home with the new baby. He needed to get
himself together.

Speaker 17 (29:26):
But and you know it is, it's not easy and
some months. I was in there one time, and I
mean sure, I'd been in and out and it was like,
you know, just a natural thing. I'd had a lot
of experience. I wasn't there and there was a mom
that had just had Cyesyrian and they tried to push
you out after about three or four days, and her
stitches actually fell out.

Speaker 21 (29:47):
And she was walking out of the hospital.

Speaker 10 (29:49):
You know.

Speaker 17 (29:49):
So I think they need to be very careful when
they say these men on three days, because you know,
some moms you can have after birth complications later when
you get home. I had that. I had to go
back and have that. You know, there's a procedure, so
there are all sorts of things that can.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
Go wrong after and this bool creates a legal entitlement
to a minimum three day post lat or stay, so
that's minimum so they can't throw you out as happened too.

Speaker 17 (30:16):
But I also think they need to monitor, like the staff,
nurse or whoever makes a decision about him, I'm going home.
They need to actually monitor because there's some young mum's
really high risk. I wouldn't send them home. What's your
environment like at home?

Speaker 16 (30:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (30:34):
Yeah, absolutely, Hey, how is it? How is it? Naming
eight children? How does that? Because you know I struggled
to name two That was a week. Actually, we went
through all kinds of conniptions just trying to come up
with three names, and one of them ended up being Bury.
So how did you go?

Speaker 17 (30:49):
No, no problem, No, these were all family names names.
My husband's Jim and Tongen. But I'm mauordy on both sides.
But in saying that, my youngest daughter, the biggest gap
between all the kids is five five years, so I
figured I've been pregnant for fifteen years all up. So
I'm I'm seventy this year, and I've just got back
from my public class, so I still do a lot

(31:11):
of stuff.

Speaker 8 (31:12):
I do regularly.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
How many grounds? Good on you? How many grandchildren have
you got? If you don't mind me asking?

Speaker 12 (31:16):
You know?

Speaker 8 (31:17):
A lot?

Speaker 17 (31:17):
About eight.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
Last a month?

Speaker 17 (31:20):
No, but very very low to choosers. But anyway, getting
back to this whole mom thing, I think the government
needs to be careful and whoever makes a decision for
a month to go out and they're not really I
reckon they should just just be careful there because some
moms are fine but if there is someone that needs
to be kept an eye on because you know, you know,
they have the blues. And there's a lot of mums

(31:41):
that's you know, cry a little heard out because they
sometimes I just can't cope.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
Yeah, yeah, clearly very much. Well, I mean there's professionals
in there, there's midwives and such, and so I'm sure
that the idea is that they're not you know, they
wouldn't ever want to send someone home if they didn't
have to. But this is no matter what pressure on,
then it's in a minimum three while three days leave
will requirement plus thirty four million dollars to enact us.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
That's right, am I reading of it. They still keeping
the specific needs clause so that if you do need
a bit more time, then you can stay in for
a bit longer. Thank you very much, Jelly. It is
twelve minutes to two.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
Beg for you, surely, Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your
calls on oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty it's
mad Heathen Tylor Adams. Afternoons news talks, they'd be.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
Ten to two is long as stay, So first time
mums in hospital a good thing. Oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighties number to call. Some text comments from
nineteen ninety two is well, I can't.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
Tell if your callers are positive about the legislation or not.
Are they wanting it to have been longer? I get
the feeling people think it's been reduced. Please please inform
the listeners it used to be zero days minimums day.
If you birth in the am, you could have been
turfed out that afternoon. Yeah, I mean I think people
are aware. Yeah, let's just make it clear. So the

(33:01):
budget includes thirty four point four million dollars over four
years for maternity services. The policy supports the three day
post Stay Amendment Bill. The bill creates a legal entitlement
to a minimum three day post natal stay. So it's
not you know, it's not a maximum three day post
natal stay. It's a minimum. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
So that is a change.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
But what are you saying? And then, you know, earlier
today we were hearing about Jesse Davidson from the country
dot co dot in Z's kicked out after one hour
okay birth and they set off a clock that is
rough taking down sixty sixty minutes.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
It's full noise. Oh, one hundred and eighteen eighty's number
called Chris, how are you?

Speaker 21 (33:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (33:44):
First of all, I'm glad to hear that this new legislation,
if it's what it is, is a minimum of three days,
because I think personally, I think, you know, every woman
is different, and yes, you know, probably the majority of
people can go home in that one just three days.

(34:08):
But I'd hate to see anyone who needs a bit
longer time for whatever reason turfed out. So that's good.
I had four children who are all now young adults.
I'm seventy three, and they were all home births. Now.

(34:28):
The first three were during the time when a midwife
could not attend a birth without a GP present, and
that was often very problematic for a lot of women
to find a GP who would be supportive of her
decision to want to do that. For me, it was

(34:52):
because I had four My last pregnancy was when the
legislation changed and midwives could attend a home birth without
a GP, so that was pretty special. That was in
ninety ninety five, and I just want to say, for

(35:14):
me at the time making those choices, I felt that
as long as a pregnancy wasn't problematic and health professionals
were able to say, you know, yeah, you're you're healthy
and whatever. That the choice of a woman to want

(35:35):
a birth where she felt the safest, which was certainly
my situation.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
HM, fair enough to thank you, thank you for your call.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
Yeah, thank you, we're just a bit sure on time,
but thank you very much for giving us a call.
And home birth seemed to work very well for Chris,
so I appreciate you giving us a buzz nineteen ninety
two is the text. But let's have a chat too
late in get.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
Up, which we finished on on a guy on this,
I appreciate making.

Speaker 22 (36:04):
A bit of a problem, being a broke giving a
bloke's perspective, but honestly, I think it's an idea. We've
had three guitar or cesareans, you know, and the matter
good stuff were great, but honestly, my wife on the
first one was a labor for about two days. By
the time they finally decided to do the knife and
forth and get it out there, she was absolutely exhausted.
And let's face it, in those days, I mean, this
is going back ago night. Well, you know, sees Aaron

(36:29):
and yeah, and the problem is grosser as much as
as it pockets on a shirt quite frankly, when a
lot of the issues are trying to get used to
your baby settled down, and they come through it, and
I've been through an ordeal like that, they are absolutely knacking.
So I think it's a brilliant idea. I always said
to my wife and each one I said, don't you
hurry home. It's not a personal thing, but I think

(36:51):
you need to be aware that people can help you
the most to start with, so you can get settled
into a routine. Yes, pretty hard now, So Iragon's a
good idea, brilliant, you know, and good on them. It
could be done along with fine because I think after
two or three days of course, the woman tend to
come off a bit of a high and they care
praying to be a little bit unhappy and all that stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

(37:14):
So I think it's a damn good idea, and good on.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
Good on you, late and thank you for your cool
You did that very well lateon as a bloke, so
thank you very much. A quick couple of texts.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
Before the news.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
This one yet a Matt and Tyler delivered my beautiful
daughter at home. We live in the country. One am
in the morning. First contraction wrung the midwife. She said,
no rush and we go to the hospital forty kilometers away.
One eight am, Bub start coming out and five contractions later,
rung one one one for the ambulance operator informs I
needed to deliver and talk me through the perth.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
No issues.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
Thankfully, when ambulance arrived, Bub sleep in a mum's great experience.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
Ah there you go, hi, guys, almost makes me cry
with PTSD hearing this chat, says this text. Thank God
is all I can say, especially for first time arms.
If someone is fully ready and happy to go home
and has the support they need, then all good. But OMG,
anything less than three days is insane and inhumane. It's
just asking for problems, needle depression being right up there,

(38:10):
breastfeeding problems that could be helped and sorted by staying
in just that little bit extra time. There is no
way I out of coped with any less than my
first who had a tied tongue oh and couldn't be properly.
This news policy is essential, not a nice to have.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
Fantastic, a great discussion. Thank you to everyone who gave
us a bus and shared their experience. Right coming up
after two o'clock a bit of a scandal when it
comes to the old Crusaders Horses saga. Incredibly interesting story
in the here or we're going to break that down
for you.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
We've got a damning timeline for the Crusaders organization. We'll
share with you next.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
That is coming art Newsport and weather on its way.
You're listening to Matt and Tylo. Hope you're having a
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Speaker 1 (38:59):
everything in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Very good Afternoonsue Sex Pass two.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
So this is quite a story here, isn't it, Tyler.
Certainly it comes out of your adopted hometown of christ Church.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
Beautiful place, christ Church, beautiful people, Cantabrians.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
And it's circles around your beloved Crusader's rugby team.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
Yes, so it is a scandal involving the Crusaders Horses Saga.
Heints while we're playing this rousing music to start off with.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
Yeah, we've got the final weekends of Super Rugby regular
season with the Crusaders playing the Hurricanes tonight.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
Yep, that's a big game.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
And like deciding whether they'll get a home game playoff
game against the Blues if they can jump over the Blues.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
It's a big weekend third place. Yeah, so there's a
lot riding on it. But in terms of this scandal
with the Crusaders horses saga, we want to cart that's
your mind back to where this all began with the CEO,
Colin amains Bridge. Here is what he said at the
time when it came to the Crusaders' horses.

Speaker 23 (40:17):
We've had to confirm, unfortunately, that we won't be able
to take the horses into the new venue with us.
The new stadium, it's designed to bring fans closer to
the action than ever before. It's an incredible venue, but
it's very different to where we've played before, and there
simply isn't the space to safely accommodate the horses without

(40:38):
compromise on the field of play and risking the safety
of everyone involved, from fans, players and the horses themselves.
This one really hurts the horses. They've been with us
for thirty years and they're part of who we are.
We know how much they mean to you at fans,
and we're going to have to come to this point

(40:59):
as an organization. We've tried everything possible to make this
work and we want you our fans I'm Faro, to
know that we've left no stone under turned.

Speaker 16 (41:09):
Unfortunately, we just couldn't make it happen.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
So that was the original decision. We know it's been
overturned now, but the original decision and the original video
from the CEO of Colin mains Bridge saying why the
Crusaders horses could no longer be a part of the
new stadium.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
Right, okay, So hold on to that and we'll play
it again at the end once you've heard all this. Okay,
So the April fourteenth this year, horses retired. As you've
just heard, due to the design and limited space at
one New Zealand Stadium, the horses cannot be safely accommodated,
they said. They also said we have left no stone unturned,
and this is from a fantastic article in the Herald

(41:45):
by Mike Thorpe that's gone through all this. They also
said at the time, significant time, money and effort were
invested in exploring ways into exploring ways that we could
keep the horses as part of the match day experience.
So if you hear that, right, If you hear that,
then the impression being creating is pretty damn clear. Isn't

(42:07):
it mean that the stadium design made it impossible. Every
option had been exhausted, extensive assessment had already occurred, there
was no workable solution. Basically, that's what it's saying, right, yep.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
Correct.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
So let's look back into the timeline. Right, but if
we go back to June twenty twenty five, go back
to June last year, so Venues Autatahi CEO Caroline Harvey
Tier she said, this is some correspondence. One New Zealand
stadium can dominate, accommodate the Crusaders horses, right, Okay, So

(42:41):
that's in June last year, when asked about rumors that
the horses might not be part of the new stadium.
At this point, the venue operator says, horses can be accommodated.
These these are the people who would later be blamed
along with the CCC for the horses being banned. So
let's go to jan eight, twenty twenty six. Follow me here, yep,
a little bit conquered, complicated. So now we're moving on

(43:03):
to jan eight twenty six. We have, according to this article,
the first recorded discussions about testing horses in the new stadium,
So on jan eighth this year, testing had not happened
yet the process was still being worked through, so that's
Jan eighth, Right. January nineteenth this year, a two hour

(43:23):
formulization session is scheduled in but not until April, less
than a week before the first game. So the Excellent
Herald article notes that shows how much of an issue
it wasn't considered to be initially, so they basically weren't
doing anything until the week before the game, so no
massive issues at that point, right, it was such a
non issue the session was scheduled just a week before

(43:44):
the game February third. Then Venues au Tatahi Chief executive
Caroline Harvey Tear pushes for testing at this point. On
February eighths, proposes a handler only session, a horse session,
and a late February date. This is part of as
pretty important part because it shows that the Venues au Tatahi,

(44:06):
who would later be blamed for the decision, have been
the horses is actively trying to solve the problem as
of February the third. Then on February the eleventh, the
horse trainer meets christ Church City Council officials and the
Council Project report states it is proposed that the riders
carry out a trial run at the stadium on the
first of April twenty twenty six. So on febru eleventh,

(44:28):
CCC is solutions focused, don't they They are testing focused,
and neither training or CCC is saying it is in.
Neither the trainer or CCC is saying it's impossible. There's
no talk about it being impossible. So let's move on
to February twenty three. If you're still following me, this
is good mate. The christ chich City Council Senior Project's Manager,

(44:50):
David Richard Gibbs, sends detailed information to the horse team,
listing agreed hazards and solutions, including entrance issues, turf concerns,
load calculations, slipping risks. The email includes there is still
a bit to work through, but again the CCC is
not suggesting in any way that this is impossible, unsafe,
or couldn't it happen, right, They are that they and

(45:13):
the trainers are literally working through the solutions at this point.
So March eighteen testing is still planned. The proposed April
one trial remains under discussion venues AUTATARHI Chief executive Caroline
Harvey Tear writes this on that date the process is ongoing. Nobody,
not CCC venues Autotarhi. All the trainers have concluded in

(45:34):
any way that the horses cannot be accommodated. Right then,
then this is the bit that will annoy fans of
the Crusaders and of anyone that likes organizations that are honest.
This is a biggie with the public. No physical test
ever happens. So Mark Thought states in the article that

(45:54):
long hauld test date came and went without a test.
So before the retirement of the horses and the public
statement that no stone had been unturned, no test had happened.
There had been no real world trial. Absolutely no, the
concept wouldn't work. Yet two days before the April sixteen test.
On April fourteenth, the horses retired. The Crusaders publicly say

(46:18):
due to the design and limited space at one New
Zealand Stadium, the horses cannot be safely accommodated. They also
said we have left no stone unturned and significant time,
money and effort were invested in exploring ways to keep
the horses. As part of the match day experience. After
media questions, christ Church City Council responded, the Crusaders were

(46:39):
always going to be an anchor tenant of the stadium
they desire to host. Pre match entertainment was understood and
incorporated into the design and build. That's a direct contradiction
to the public impression created by the Crusaders. CCC's position
on the horses was that the horses were anticipated pre
much pre match entertainment was planned for and the stadium

(47:00):
was designed to account for the horses. Right, So let's
go to what venues Autoitati had to say. After the backlash,
Caroline Harvey Tear wrote an urgent email that says we
weren't party two or part of this decision. This is
sent to the Crusaders. She then asks what solutions were

(47:21):
offered regarding turf concerns. So she's trying to work out
how the decision was reached. The venue operators surprised to
be carrying blame for a decision that it didn't make unreal.
So let's just look at these biggest composite contradictions here.
April fourth, Crusaders, the horses cannot be safely accommodated. May eighth,
the horses are back, but nothing changed, not the stadium,

(47:42):
not the field dimensions, not the design as mark thoughte
Wright's it was still the same design with the same
limited space. Instead, the Herald says, possible solutions included so
that the horse could continue slowing down. So these were
the solutions why it could happen on May eighth, different
entry and exit roots, fewer lapse and not stopping the

(48:03):
kind of things that could have easily been sorted out,
and testing the testing that never happened before the retirement.
So after the backlash, the Crusaders say, with more time available,
the horses have now been fully carefully tested, and fear
of providing false hope to our fans probably got in
the way of us doing this, and it wasn't until
some small adjustments were made that we realized it might
be possible. So the massive problem with that explanating is

(48:25):
that those small adjustments only emerged after the horses had
already been retired. So the Crusaders publicly framed the issue
as a stadium design problem and said they had left
no unturned stone unturned. Yeah, and yet they had left
many stones unturned.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
So when you look at venues out of Tahie, who
were trying to come to the table with solutions, the
Christig City Council who were trying to come to the
table with solutions. Let'st just have a listen back to
what Colin mainz Bridge said when they decided to try
and can the Crusaders horses.

Speaker 23 (48:56):
We've had to confirm, unfortunately, that we won't be able
to take the horses into the new venue with us.

Speaker 16 (49:03):
The new stadium, it's designed to bring fans close to
the action than ever before.

Speaker 23 (49:08):
It's an incredible venue, but it's very different to where
we've played before and there simply isn't the space to
safely accommodate the horses without compromise on the field of
play and risking the safety of everyone involved, from fans,
players and the horses themselves. This one really hurts the horses.

(49:28):
They've been with us for thirty years and they're part
of who we are. We know how much they mean
to you are fans, and we're going to have to
come to this point as an organization.

Speaker 16 (49:39):
We've tried everything possible to make this work.

Speaker 23 (49:42):
Really we want you have fans, I'm Faro to know
that we've left no stone unturned.

Speaker 16 (49:48):
Unfortunately, we just couldn't make it happen.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
So it seems to be, you know, looking reading Mike
Thorpe's story and what you've just gone through, there there
was a heck of a lot of stones that they
didn't even attempt to try and kick over.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
Well, what does this mean? I think it means one
of two things. Really, you know, this is my speculation.
But either they didn't want the horses so they hid
behind made up safety concerns to candom, or they were
so keen to say no so geared towards if there
are even slight safety concerns are on the side of no,
sliding into an easy no instead of aiming for a

(50:23):
yes and making it happen. What do you think about this? Yeah,
I'll think about this.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call?
Nine to nine two? Now you know the facts of
the situation. What do you say looking forward to this discussion?
The texts are coming through thick and fast. It is
eighteen past two, will be back very shortly.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
Wow, your home of afternoon talk Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams
afternoons call, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk
said be twenty one past too.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
So it turns out despite crusaders saying no stone have
been left unturned and trying to make sure the crusader's
horses could be at the new stadium, that just wasn't true.
There wasn't any stone that was turned over in their
attempt to make it happen.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
They hadn't turned over a single stone at all. Stan,
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 24 (51:08):
Yeah, good guys. Hey, the biggest disappointment to me is
the porkies, you know, the Holse horse, the playing fast
and loose?

Speaker 22 (51:18):
Was the truth?

Speaker 25 (51:19):
I mean, if you didn't want the horses, weren't you
just runt up and say, well no we don't, we
don't want the horses, you know, at the games anymore,
instead of trying to say, oh yes we tried and
we you know, we lifted every.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
Stone and I mean that's the emotional video.

Speaker 24 (51:36):
Oh here, it was the background of music, you know.

Speaker 7 (51:39):
I mean, just tell the truth.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
So do you think that they didn't want the horses
and so they were hiding behind safety and blaming blaming
venues or ta Tahi and this Chrosti City council or
do you think that they just hadn't got around to
sorting out this situation and the event was coming up.
And so I mean, either way, they're telling an untruth.

(52:03):
But which one do you think it was.

Speaker 24 (52:05):
I think they didn't want the horses. I think they're
trying to get away from the whole trusader, you know,
the horses and the you know, that whole vibe. I mean,
I think they're trying to be politically correct and slightly
tiptoe away from that sort of vibe.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
Like you said, I think that was the you know,
the the dishonesty is the worst part about it for
me because I at the time when they did that,
I laid into venues Or to take you a little bit,
because it seemed that the evidence was pointing that they
were the ones making the call, and then this story
would say the exact opposite. Actually, they wanted to try
and make it happen.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
Yeah, so they're throwing you know, venues Or Tatahi and
their chief executive under the bus when they were actively
trying to make it happen, as was the christ City Council,
to the point where the stadium was actually created for
it to happen. So it's one thing like, as you say,
stand there, whatever they're trying to do, but be honest
about it and also don't throw other people under the
bus for it.

Speaker 19 (53:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (53:01):
I think it's a few people some pretty big apologies,
doesn't it.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
Yeah, I mean, what really one thing that's not clear
in the story, and you're talking about it before, but
why you know, and I know that you assume that
he just didn't or or Crusader's management just didn't like
the horses and they wanted to get rid of them.
But there's got to be a reason, and at this
point they need to front up and if that was
they wanted to get rid of the horses, tell us
the truth. What was the real reason you wanted to
get rid of the horses? Because that is the missing

(53:25):
part of the story at the moment, right.

Speaker 10 (53:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (53:27):
Well, we're in a very PC wealth these days. I mean,
you can look at sports teams around the world that
have had to change their names to fit them with
the new PC you know, sort of work for that
were living in I mean, the Redskins had to change
their name, didn't they Now. I think they just call
themselves Indians now or whatever, you know. I mean, I
sort of think that's that's sort of at the bottom

(53:48):
of it.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
But if you want to do that, just be honest
about it. But I mean, but there's also there's also
another possibility stand and that is kind of in the
same ballpark. But that any safety concern that's raised, now
people just bow down to it instead of going can
we get round us? So there was some question of
I'm not sure where the safety concern came from because

(54:10):
it didn't seem to come from the trainer or Auto
Tarhi venues Auto Tarhee or the city council. But it
came from somewhere. Yeah, maybe in the crusader's organization, and
they're like, oh, there's a safety thing, it's too much hassle,
let's get rid of them. That's a possibility as well.

Speaker 24 (54:23):
It seems like they were looking for an excuse. I mean,
you know, health and safety is often use the excuse
to close down. Yeah, it might not be politically correct,
there might be some protesters, so let's close it down,
you know. I mean yeah, but the bottom line is
just be honest, Just just be honest with the public.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
Yeah, yeah, thank you for your call, Stan, Yeah, appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
Do you agree with Stan? I wait, one hundred to
eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
This person's his bs them upet should have made provisions
for the horses and the plans. These pc numpties are sanitizing,
rewriting history. But though they did, I mean there were
the venues or Ta Tarhi and the Chrosstrich City Council
and the stadium design had all looking at this email
thread in this article, and the Herald had made all
those provisions expecting the horses. That's right.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
Yeah, there's an excit line and that story saying exactly that.
So what do you say I eight hundred eighty ten
eighty are you withstand? And on the wider question about
shutting things down over health and safety? Do you think
that was a part of it? That is that typical
in New Zealand that it's just easier to say no
if there's a whiff of health, health and safety that
may get in the way.

Speaker 3 (55:25):
Yeah, nineteen nine two's the text. It is twenty five
past two.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
Matd Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on news Talk said.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
Twenty seven past too. So we're talking about the crusaders horses.
Saga turns out that despite saying no stone was left unturned,
they didn't really do anything. This is the Crusaders and
attempting to get the horses in the new stadium.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
Yeah, and then I sometimes get the term gas lighting wrong.
But then it felt like they gased like the public
with an emotional you know, post a video saying that
we're gutted about it, when really they did nothing to
keep them. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
So what do you say, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten
eighties number to call? Get agreed?

Speaker 6 (56:04):
Greg?

Speaker 3 (56:05):
How are you mate? Thanks?

Speaker 2 (56:06):
Hey boys?

Speaker 26 (56:07):
How are you?

Speaker 15 (56:07):
Ben?

Speaker 3 (56:07):
Goodanks for calling beautiful.

Speaker 26 (56:09):
Day down here in the Canterbury region. I'm Tyler first
and foremost, so I want you to tell the listeners
if Matt change of allegiance Heath is going to be
on the Hurricanes bandwagon tonight, the way you go, he's
gone up to the Blues, so I'm sure it's well
tonight for him.

Speaker 3 (56:30):
Well that the thing is, so if the Crusaders win
tonight over the Hurricanes, then they either way they play
the Blues. But they'll be playing the Blues at home
in one stadium in christ which you know, I'm a
famous blue lender. Allegiances as you're pointing out, Greg.

Speaker 26 (56:49):
So you'll be rooting for the Crusaders, then.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
I would probably be winter.

Speaker 3 (56:56):
It gets complicated this end of the season, but I'd
say I'd be rooting for the Hurricanes. But the Hurricanes
don't really care, do they. Because the thing is what
always happens in every Super Rugby round except for one
that the Crusaders they slowly build up across the seas
and they lose a few and then they just break
everyone's hot in the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Isn't it beautiful and that? And tell you what, Greg,
I can say that handling a guy.

Speaker 26 (57:18):
Well, you know what, let's try and back a winning horse.
So in the case of the horses, right, I was
at the game last week and I love the horses.
I think they're great. But when you're seeing them run around,
you know, it does look a little bit tight out there.
And I don't know if you saw it on TV
or anything, but we were right on top of it. Yeah,
and one of the horses slipped and really had trouble
getting its footing. So you know, I don't know, is

(57:41):
it health and safety? I mean, people lie to suit
their own needs all the time, you know, Santa Claus,
the Easter Bunny and the Crusaders' horses. I could I
could see that they, you know, maybe pull this out
of their hat and say, oh, well, you know, Jesus,
if you stick a horse in there, it doesn't look
like a lot of rooms. So the other thing you
need to find out besides where Matt's going to place
his bets, is are the horses going to be there tonight?

Speaker 16 (58:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (58:05):
I are, I believe. So the horse you're talking about
is Rua who shied away a bit, jumped back a
couple of meters, So I know that Rho is not
going to be there tonight because they've decided that she's
a horse that you know, gets a bit of overawed
by the situation, so they do change the horses out
in there and those circumstances and back in the well.

Speaker 26 (58:25):
That's great journalism right there. Good job finding that out,
because the poor thing, I mean, you know, when you look,
there were a lot of people on the sidelines down there,
and the horse wasn't all that far away. And then
obviously feel for the rider too, so it's definitely a
different weird surface for you don't know how much practice
the horse has had, but is it doable. Yeah, because
the other four or five horses had no real issue.

(58:46):
They did a great job.

Speaker 7 (58:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
Well, so I understand that they've slowed down, and they
enter and leave from different entrance ways. So these were
some of the things that were put into place, you know,
so just stop to stop the slipping and such, just
going a little bit slower around and about. And I'm
not sure if you noticed that that change.

Speaker 26 (59:09):
Well, you know, just being at that game last week,
they were going along in a decent clip eye side
but I know, but regardless, Yeah, it's a little sketchy
to say the least. That you know, you've got that
whole the video and how sad we are about the horses,
and then suddenly all this other stuff's coming up. You
could always tell probably that yeah, could they do it?

Speaker 10 (59:29):
Yes?

Speaker 26 (59:30):
Would there be legitimate health and safety reasons? You know
when you see the poor horse gidding on her bum
a bit, and that's not a good thing. But I
love them. I hope they stay.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
Yeah, but it was not even trying, greg, Right, That's
what's got my goat about this is that I fell
into the tramp. I love the Crusaders and I liked
the management of the Crusaders, but I got sucked into
having a crack at venues Auto TAKEI when this all
came out, And now I feel shamed because I was
wrong there, but I feel like I got guest lets
buy venues Auto Tahi being thrown under the bus when

(01:00:02):
it was the Crusaders management all along that didn't want
the horses for it whatever reason.

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
I mean this significant time money and if it was
listed exploring ways to keep the horses as part of
the match to experience, that didn't happen. Yeah, they didn't
easily see too.

Speaker 26 (01:00:14):
How you know one organization, you know, nobody knows what
the left hand versus the right hand is doing. And
believe me, I'd rather that back the Crusaders organization than
the christ Church City Council on any.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Use you the way.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
This is the problem for Tyler got me because Tyler
was just just chomping at the bit. I got a
lot of those at venues or Tatahi as well. I
was ready to go fairly so he was. I've got
no skin in the game on from Dunedin and lived
at Auckland. But Tyler was very unhappy about.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
Thanks for your cool, Greg, Yeah, what a great man. Oh,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number of cool?
So what do you say about the new information when
it comes to the crusaders, horses and the broad question?
Are we too fast to say no when there's a
sniff of health and safety about?

Speaker 16 (01:01:00):
Well?

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
I was just going to say some good takes coming
through so many the six thing health and safety is
the biggest piss take in New Zealand. It's used not
only an easy excuse to say no to people, but
also an excuse to make you do things you don't
want to do.

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Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
Thank you very much, Raylan. So we're talking about a
big story in the Herald on the Crusaders horses. So
email is obtained by Mike Thorp and the Herald revealed
it concerns about the safety of the Crusaders traditional match
day horses at the New Stadium were raised without proper
testing or evidence and we're clearly overstated. So what do
you say about that? Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
eighties and number of.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
Treo the six is let's just be please. The Scott
cleared up before the horses made it to the glue factory.
There is that well, you know with they're canceled on
before the test was even supposed to go to hit.
So they retired the horses on April the fourteenth, when
the test to see if it worked in the stadium
was on April the sixteenth. Yeah, so it's not the

(01:03:15):
crusaders who have the power around the venue. It is
Venues of Tatahi. When the stadium was designed and built,
they should have built it in ways to make it
easier for the horses to be there. For example, there
was no grass area outside of the venue for the
warming up and holding the horses until ready to go
into the field. There was no extra grass area around
the field to accommodate them, et cetera. The venue in
CCC never designed or made provisions for the horses. Asked
exactly what provisions were they made, says this text in Natalie. No,

(01:03:41):
it's quite clear if you look at the email Chail
Trail Natalie and go and read this article in the
Herald that Venues or Tatahi and the stadium design and
CCC were all looking for solutions to get the horses
in there and didn't see it was going to be
a major problem.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
Yeah, So that exec line. So there was a media
request to the christ Ut City Council, which is clearly
a big part of the new stadium. So here's the
line here. The Crusaders were always going to be an
incatenent of the stadium. Their desire to host pre match
entertainment understood and incorporated into the design and the build
of the new stadium.

Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
That's pretty clear. Yeah, So, I mean there's there's there's
a possibility that they just ran out of time, right,
and there was a lot to do. You're getting the
new stadium, You've got this big super Round happening with
all the teams in town, got this fantastic new stadium.
There's a lot being prepared for that, right. Yeah. There's
a possibility that they got spooked by health and safety
concerns that have mentioned within the Crusaders but didn't seem

(01:04:33):
to be mentioned by CCC or Venues or Tatahi. And
there's a possibility that they just wanted to get rid
of the horses and this seemed like a good way
to do it where they could blame Health and safety
and they could blame you know, events uor to TAHI
and they could blame CCC. Yeah, you know, so that
those are three. Maybe there's another possibility. You've got one

(01:04:54):
eight hundred eighteen eighty. But it does see looking at
this that that that video that went out is not
strictly honest.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
YEP nine two is the text number.

Speaker 3 (01:05:05):
What do you say?

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is an uber call.
It's twenty one to three.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams
afternoons news talks.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
There'd be eighteen to three. So the spokesperson for the
Crusaders Horses riding group his name as Mark. He's actually
got into touch with us, so we're going to have
a chat with him very soon. But David, what's your
take on the Crusaders horses.

Speaker 22 (01:05:30):
I just can't believe they were so silly to think
that either someone wouldn't say stand up and say hey, no, no,
that's not what actually happened. But also the horses in
that style are a sacred cower in Christ you cannot
mess with those two things. The little old ladies who
cry when those horses run out onto the fear of
the thirty year history of Pride. It is a massive

(01:05:51):
part of our rugby community and probably the widest city
of So I just don't know how they thought they
could lie to us get away with it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
Yeah, it's interesting because there seems to be some official
information investigations that's gone on here to get the email
chain that that reveals. But so it seems to me
that they were blaming other people. So it's one thing
to just put your message out, but then when venues
or tatata, you're taking the blame for it, and the
CCC you're taking blame for it when they had nothing
to do with them. In fact, they were doing everything

(01:06:20):
they can to make it happen. That's that's when you
think that maybe you get some pushback, right.

Speaker 22 (01:06:26):
Yeah, I'm surprised those organizations didn't come back straight away.
I guess they're in a partnership so they don't want
to sort of upset the rugby community. But I'm surprised
they just took it on the chin and didn't try
and tell this side of the story. Everyone would have
been fine if they said, look, we're not quite ready
for horses over, loop around, give us a couple of weeks,

(01:06:48):
were going to make it happen.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
Just be upfront.

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
Yeah, if that's the situation, if you're really trying to
make it happen, then then yeah, absolutely, be honest. People
would totally understand it to say that this is a
big round. It's a different thing. It's the first one
in the stadium. We just need a couple of weeks,
but they'll but we'll do everything we can to be back.
If that's really what the tr truth was. But it
did seem like it was final. You know that that

(01:07:12):
audio we played before from the video was saying that
we tried everything, but there's no way and we're heartbroken
about it. Was really what was said spot on, which
doesn't seem to rarely stack up with the email chain
between the stakeholders and this whole thing.

Speaker 22 (01:07:31):
Expecting a Crusader statement pretty.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
Soon on this one, I the Yeah, David, thank you
very much for giving us a call, and we can
hear your passion there and you're not wrong when it
comes to the Crusaders horses and the love for that
pre match entertainment.

Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
Well, what the Crusaders have said is with more time available,
the horses have now been carefully tested, and fear of
providing false hope to our fans probably gotten the way
of us doing this. It wasn't until small adjustments were
made that we realized it might be possible. Yeah, so
from no stone unturned. And what was it the huge
expense significant time and money and if it was invested

(01:08:06):
into exploring ways to keep the horses as part of
the match day experience, two small adjustments.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
Yeah, very interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
You know, we're all speculation. Now we've got someone that
actually knows exactly what they're talking about here, Mark, Welcome
to the show.

Speaker 11 (01:08:19):
Here go tellis very good.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
What's your position in this whole situation.

Speaker 7 (01:08:23):
I've been involved with the Crusader horses from day one.
Was one of the first people to ride out in
the stadium in ninety ninety six.

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
How good.

Speaker 7 (01:08:30):
So I've been involved and still am now. I work
closely with the Crusaders and the guys that that ride
mostly got my guys hooloplous I I was for many years.
I rode over three hundred game or one hundred and
fifty games or something.

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
Wow.

Speaker 7 (01:08:42):
So I think there's a couple of quick things though
are probably interesting. Is that really the horse that had
a subsy last week? She was a young horse, she'd
been under three first games at the old the new
at Apollo Stadium as her first started the career of
her career. She did really well. She did her first
game back. She was really good.

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
Yep.

Speaker 7 (01:09:00):
Last week she just got a fright. She's a young
horse and she just ran off track a little bit
and people made a big deal about it, like she
sat down, But honestly, it's no big deal. They're fit
and strong, they're well trained, they get looked after incredibly well.
And as she came back out, we took her out
just so we do you want to risk you know
who are getting a fright, You're making it worse for
the future. But also she's not up this week because

(01:09:23):
it was her week to stand down. Give the horses.
I give the horses.

Speaker 3 (01:09:27):
You know, Sorry, I got that wrong. I've got that wrong.
I said she was standing stood down because she she
got overaugh.

Speaker 7 (01:09:33):
Yeah, the pressure said that because it's an easy thing
to say. I we give the horse a bit of
a rest because the ruor does place Polo and the
farm and peatures kids to ride, and there's all sorts
of other things like all the other horses do as well.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
Right, So, as a person that obviously loves these horses
and looks after them, you don't see that they're going
around the new stadium as being too much for them
competing at all, Not at all.

Speaker 7 (01:09:57):
No, I think that there's a bit of misinformation. Like
the Crusaders have done, they have been. We've worked for
the Crusaders for thirty one years. They're an incredible outfit.
They have done everything they can for thirty one years
with the horses, and again to do with this too.
And I just think there's a bit of just two
and throw trying to get things organized. And at the
start one of the tunnels we had to come into
it originally was too low and a wee bit narrow,

(01:10:18):
so that was a bit of a problem. But then
the venues and the Crusader's got together they changed that.
They've all done. Actually people give them a hard time,
but it actually done really well.

Speaker 5 (01:10:26):
The whole new thing.

Speaker 3 (01:10:27):
But but what about but what about So at the
time in April fourteenth, before the horse when the horses
were retired, you guys hadn't done a test yet though,
had you No, we hadn't had so I feel if
you've done a test, then you know, if you'd been
allowed to do the test, then you would have seen
the small changes that needed to be made such that
it could go ahead.

Speaker 7 (01:10:46):
Yes, but I think to be feared. Hindsight's a funny thing,
you know, Like you know the stadium, we probably thought
we could do it and then we thought maybe we can't,
But we walking around, we always sort of thought we could.
There's actually quite plenty of rooms, more room on the
sidelines and there is at the old stadium, right.

Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
So who told the Crusaders that it couldn't go ahead
due to how find safety?

Speaker 7 (01:11:05):
Don't? I don't know. I just think they thought it
was just you know, it's tricky, can we're done and
if we can't get through the tunnel.

Speaker 3 (01:11:11):
But tricky is a bit different from significant time money
And if it was invested in exploring ways to keep
the horses as part of the match day experience, how much.

Speaker 7 (01:11:18):
Money wasn't invested in all that? I don't really know.
You have to talk to those guys. But what we
know is that we thought we could do it. But
then they thought, we can't get through the tunnel, we
can't get onto the field safely. That was a problem.
And then, you know, so we missed that game. And
then everybody got together and said, look, we need to
make this work. And we had a practice. Practice went well.
Rea went well in that practice, and then we come

(01:11:39):
out for the first game and we went well in
the second game. It was a bit tricky with Ruer,
but everything else went good.

Speaker 3 (01:11:46):
When the announcement was made on Eightpril fourteenth that you
guys were being retired, did you not think at that
point it was over? You thought that it was always
going to come back.

Speaker 7 (01:11:55):
Oh, I thought, you know, Colin was. When I spoke
to Colin, he was incredibly upset. In his team, they
just dellastarted. I had a meeting with the girls that
went with us, and god, the whole room was it
was incredible. It was so upset. So look, we we
we said it was done. But we in the back
of our minds we thought, look we can, if we
can change a little couple of little things like the
tunnel and somewhere for the horse and just little things,

(01:12:17):
maybe we can. And then people got together and realized
that the people spoken. Chrisser To said these things are important.
So everybody got their heads together, Stadium and the Crusader
and all of us, and said, look, let's make it work.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
But there was nothing. There was going to be, no
secret mark the pushback. That's what's so flabbergasting when I
read this story is that there was no testing done
and there was talk about no stone left unturned. There
was a lot of stones left unturned. But you knew
that was going to be a puss and a love
of the horses. You know that better than anybody.

Speaker 3 (01:12:42):
And yet you guys had been in talks with Venues
or Tatahi and the CCC for quite a long time,
hadn't you, Well.

Speaker 7 (01:12:50):
The Crusaders had been. We hadn't, right, But look at
the end of the day, I think probably what we
needed to do, we probably needed to be seen the
stadium a bit earlier. I think, in hindsight, the Stadium
people and the Crusaders and all of us, if we
had got in probably you know, end of last year,
little things that were little problems we could have sorted out.
So the problems that we found were quite tricky to

(01:13:12):
do quickly. But you know, it has worked out. But
another thing which is interesting I think you guys would
find interesting. Over the years, we've done about round about
four one hundred rides with the Crusaders logo and uniforms
of the different types of head over the years. And
that's not just the games that's doing you know, Santa
Parades and parades and Clumbo streets and I just allso

(01:13:35):
of things riding up with Downrick and Road and Nelson
opening bars, opening the Holy Grail pub and that was opened,
dozens of things. So over all those roughly four hundred games,
we've had two guys fell off at Lancaster Park and
we've had one horse, Shaneeshaws one day was tied up
at the float at the presentation of the final that
we won at length last time at Lincaster Park. I
think it was she jumped over the banners and ran around,

(01:13:56):
had a bit of fun on the field. And out
of all those years we've had three taps and all
those games.

Speaker 3 (01:14:01):
So do an amazing job, mate, I mean, that's that's
that's an amazing record, and it does show how much
you know, you guys care for the horses and the
safety precautions you put in place, and I've no doubt
that you would. You wouldn't be riding them around. I've
got no doubt you wouldn't be riding the around if
you didn't know.

Speaker 7 (01:14:17):
And these horses, you know, we spent a lot of time.
The boys that ride them, they all play polo. Almost
of them played polo in the summer. They are fit
and healthy and they love doing it. You know, a
horse will not do that. It doesn't want it. It's
as simple as that. A horse won't jump and jump.
It doesn't want it.

Speaker 12 (01:14:30):
It doesn't want to.

Speaker 3 (01:14:31):
Well, good on you, Mark, think thanks thanks for talking
to us and clearing some stuff up.

Speaker 7 (01:14:36):
Just one thing, though, they come there, they do come
in and out of the same tunnel. You said before
that they have different entrances, and they don't. It's the
same entrance, right, okay. And also the quickly the surface
is actually really good. So the surface is great, and
the stadium and the crusaders together put stitching on the corners.

Speaker 3 (01:14:55):
I think I think that thing. I think that thing
was that was one of the suggestions that was being
floated around that whether you could go in and out
of different entrance.

Speaker 7 (01:15:02):
But m Cambras was a little bit close to see,
so we've got to cut across the corner. They made
the corner really say, the everyone did be a work
stitched at the spencer stitching and the horses are pretty
cool on that. So if we hadn't really hadn't had
a whoops you last week, we wouldn't been talking about it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:18):
Well, well, good on your Mark, and it's so great
to have you back, and so you'll be expecting to
have this one tonight and then if the Crusaders beat
the Hurricanes, then you got the Blues at home again
and in about a week. Is that correct?

Speaker 11 (01:15:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:15:34):
I think the Blues had to win, they don't they
for us to get home again.

Speaker 3 (01:15:37):
I think, yeah, Cruder, if you beat the Hurricanes, yeah,
I think then you get either way, you face the Blues,
but you might be facing the Blues at home again. Hey,
thanks for clearing up that stuff, Mark, And it's so
good that you guys are still still riding around.

Speaker 24 (01:15:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
Absolutely, that is Mark Donald, the spokespast for the Crusader's horses.

Speaker 3 (01:15:52):
Very well.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
Well respect to Guy Kennery. I've got to see by
the way.

Speaker 3 (01:15:55):
Yeah, I mean the question is though, though, if that
if it was always going to happen and it was
just needed needed a bit more time. Then why was
the big emotional statement saying that it was definitely not
going to happen because of health and safety and that
they'd done everything to do it. Why wasn't the statement
just give us a couple of weeks?

Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
Yeah, mysterious. But what do you say? Oh, one hundred
and eighty ten eighties and I'm going to call it
is seven to three.

Speaker 1 (01:16:14):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News TALKSB.

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
News Talks B. It is four minutes to three. Quickticks here,
get rid of all the horses. Guys, All venues should
be the same and only have those takey t LPG flares.
Let's be mediocre together. It's from Luke.

Speaker 3 (01:16:34):
Okay, thanks Luke. This textas says, great radio. Thanks guys,
awesome to get the guy on the line. They're talking
about Mark Love, the horses and their riders. I think
the Crusaders have let themselves down with their comms. They
thought it was over and had to do a big
announcement and that they just wrote some stuff. Maybe check
GPT did it. Who knows, but it ended up blaming

(01:16:57):
things and claiming things that hadn't been done, like turning
over every stone, which the cleeder hellent. This is why
absolute truth is always the best policy in marketing. Nothing
was meant, just a couple of ass covering white lives
that have blown up in their faces. Now the horses
are back, which is got? Which is goat? I think

(01:17:17):
they meant which is great? Some of the horses are goats? No,
and then they say, well this is interesting. It ends
with go the blues.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
Okay, right, great teas up until that point, but very
well done. Hey, great discussion. Thank you very much to
everyone who called a text on that. Coming up after
three o'clock, have we let standard slip in terms of
dressing for the occasion?

Speaker 3 (01:17:35):
And coming up also new Zealander of the Week.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
everything in between them. Maddi's and Tyler Adams Afternoons News.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
Talk said, be afternoon to you. It is seven past three.
Welcome back into the show. Just a reminder coming up
very soon we have the new Zealander of the Week.
Who's that going to be? And we also are going
to catch up with actress writer director Chelsea Preston Crayford.
She's got a phenomenal new new movie out in theaters
right now, so really looking forward to kee up with her.

(01:18:09):
But in the meantime, this is the discussion we want
to have. Have we let the standards slip in terms
of dressing for the occasion. Haven listened to this clip
from the Polish Society Project that is getting a heck
of a lot of traction online right now.

Speaker 4 (01:18:22):
This is what we've normalized. Casual didn't happen by accident.
After COVID, everything shifted, standard slipped and a lot of
people never recalibrated. Now everything is treated like it's not
that serious, and showing up underdressed feels normal. But when
everything feels the same, nothing feels special anymore. Because dressing
for the occasion isn't about being formal. It's a signal

(01:18:44):
of respect. So the next time you have something planned,
dressed like it matters, honor the moment. Set a higher standard.
Polite is powerful.

Speaker 3 (01:18:54):
Honor the moment set a highest standard. Polite is powerful.
I mean you couldn't, as I was saying before, last
time I played that audio, I don't think you could
genetically engineer or use artificial intelligence to create a more
annoying voice than that particular influences boys. But the point
point stands, doesn't it It does.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
Have we got more sloppy, particularly as she points out
after the COVID years. I mean, she makes the argument
that we've really let the standards slip. So is that true?

Speaker 21 (01:19:21):
I w e.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 3 (01:19:23):
So do you feel okay with turning up to important
occasions under dressed? Now in a hoodie and trekkies or
jeans or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
He shouldn't be out of the house.

Speaker 8 (01:19:37):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:19:37):
What about wearing hats at in restaurants at the dinner table?
I mean, if you go into the golf club with
your hat on, you're gonna get yelled at by someone. Absolutely,
that's a big no no. But I think you know
you do if you go to a restaurant now you
see a bunch of dudes sitting around with their baseball
caps on, and you know, I'm often I'm often embarrassed
when I do that Slovenly. I was in a case

(01:19:58):
recently as a juror, and I went in to the
court with my hat on and got the stink eye
from the judge and you did yeah, because that's an
ocasion and where you know, it's an important situation, so
you shouldn't have a hat on for some reason. There
are standards, but our standards of dress dropping our people

(01:20:19):
not turning up for the right situation. We had a
caller before that was talking about people turning up to
funerals and not wearing respectful clothes.

Speaker 2 (01:20:28):
Yes, I would argue, you know, when it comes to restaurants,
I don't think for many restaurants out there, and there's
a difference between a restaurant and a part in a cafe,
but I don't think you should turn up to a
restaurant and a T shirt. I think if you were
going out to a nice restaurant for dinner, the very
least you could do is put on a college shirt. Yeah,
there's the bear minimum. And don't get me started about
if I go to a nice restaurant and I've made

(01:20:49):
somewhat of an eth it not a messive effort, but
at least I put on a college shirt and then
I turn around and someone's there in a hoodie, hat on,
sunglasses inside, I just think, what has happened to you.

Speaker 3 (01:21:00):
Well, the sunglasses inside Some members of the sunglasses inside
community are those the poor. I sight a prescription class's community.
He did so sometimes for me, because I wear the
spectacles most of the time. Yes, And if I'm say
at a at least, say I'm at a resort or
I'm on holiday or something, then I'll be doing stuff

(01:21:21):
in the day and I'll forget. I'll just be wearing
my prescription sunglasses. And then I'll go into a restaurant
and it turns out I can't read the menu. And
so there I am sitting in a restaurant and it's
half to dark, and I've got my sunglasses on, and
everyone thinks I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
A yep, so you get a pass? Yeah, yeah, But
what do you say? I e one hundred and eighty
ten eighty. Have we let the standards slip in terms
of dressing for the occasion, particularly in this country? I wait,
one hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call?
Nine two? Nine two is the texts guys?

Speaker 3 (01:21:50):
Standards have slipped. I've been to restaurants where guys are
wearing rugby jersey shorts and jandles, absolute slabs. It's from Craig.

Speaker 2 (01:21:57):
Do you agree with Craig? Tell us it is eleven
past three?

Speaker 3 (01:22:00):
How come men aren't allowed to wear flip flops? If
women allowed to wear open toe high heels. So why
a woman allowed to have half their bloody foot showing
but men aren't allowed to walk in with a pair
of bloody flip flops? Mate?

Speaker 2 (01:22:13):
Can someone ring through and tell Matt why there's a
problem with that? Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty? It
is eleven past three, us talk said, be fourteen past three?
So have we let the standards slip in terms of
dressing for the occasion?

Speaker 10 (01:22:23):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to
call a nineteen ninety two text.

Speaker 3 (01:22:28):
My brother turned up to my wedding in a single
it ooh and a singly. He said, it's hot, we're
at the beach. What's the big deal? It was a
Fiji bitter one he'd got from the resort gift shop.
I told him to go and get changed. He returned
in the smaller suit jacket i've ever seen. His arms
were hanging out to the elbows, but I appreciated the effort.
That sounds like a brother who's forgotten to pack his suit, definitely.

(01:22:49):
So they've gone to Fiji for the wedding. They're at
the resort. He's forgot to pack a seat.

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
So he's got a freeb single it from the resort.
What what's wrong with it? I'm at a beach.

Speaker 11 (01:22:58):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
I like your style, man, Josh, how are you?

Speaker 10 (01:23:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:23:02):
Good afternoon?

Speaker 19 (01:23:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:23:03):
Good mates? What's your thoughts?

Speaker 5 (01:23:05):
Yeah, I'm are good. I appreciate it. Drift standers and stuff.
I tried to at least put on my shirt and
some shoes or some sort of got enough for dinner
being ut with some people and the agendles and studies
and kind of thing. And there's a bit here for birthdays.
And yes, standers have definitely dropped them. I think you're

(01:23:27):
a member of parliament, a certain member of parliaments that
have dropped our standards quite a bit there, old mate,
rad he watched he were the sunglasses and sneakers.

Speaker 3 (01:23:39):
So do you think what what? What do you think
the the I guess uniform for parliament should be is
it suit and tie for for me?

Speaker 16 (01:23:46):
And then well I don't.

Speaker 5 (01:23:50):
Necessarious thing a tie? Yeah right, yeah, I think I
think sung glasses are definitely.

Speaker 2 (01:23:55):
Yeah, Sonny's in the House of Parliament just feels wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:23:58):
Yeah, it's kind of like you're running a bit of
a poker face situation, aren't you. It's hard to read
exactly what someone's thinking when they've got sunglasses. Yeah, good,
good point, Josh, thank you very much. To be called
the sticks is two types of people who wear sunglasses inside,
blind people and assholes.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
Right, do you agree with that?

Speaker 3 (01:24:13):
And on my answer to my question on why men
are under we're allowed to wear flip flops when they're
aut a restaurant or a fency. Do we're wedding yet
women turn up with open foot, bloody open toe, bloody
high heel.

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
Operators, nice slip or a high heel.

Speaker 3 (01:24:30):
A woman's foot can be sexy. A bloke's foot and
flip flops just horrendous. Well, I mean it's true. I
mean you compare my horrible yam toes and foot with
my lovely partner's tracy slender operations.

Speaker 2 (01:24:43):
Those foot, those feet need a shave, mate, Kushler, how are.

Speaker 3 (01:24:47):
You all fine?

Speaker 8 (01:24:48):
Thanks? And how are you today?

Speaker 11 (01:24:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:24:50):
Very good?

Speaker 8 (01:24:50):
Do you have a good weekend anyway? But okay, now
it's all of it through standards too. I think that
it's a bit step happy to to turn up at
a funeral or go out to a fancy restaurant not
publy dressed up, you know, because I think it takes
away from the shine of the place. And then maybe
then the establishment would have a reason to tell you

(01:25:11):
that you are not suitably attired and would you mind going,
even though they don't want to lose business. But when
it comes to funeral to see, I mean, there are
there's times when I will just wear black, and I'm
quite happy just to wear black. But there's other times
when I just sort of think, well, perhaps I do
need a wee bit of color or lighter colors, you know.
Some of the time it depends on my mood. But

(01:25:31):
I still wouldn't, you know, go totally you know, shabby
dressed or anything like that to a funeral either, because
I think that's not showing respect. If the person is
deserving of respect, they should have it. But I think
there's something nice about dressing up too, you know, I
really do, but not peraps all the time. But I
don't like these guys who just want to wear shorts

(01:25:53):
all the time when they're grind me and either I
think that looks a bit, you know, not properly dressed
unless it's a whole really hot day, you know, because
I think that it doesn't look right.

Speaker 5 (01:26:03):
What do you think on the.

Speaker 2 (01:26:05):
Old short question? It's controversial, I mean certainly not in
a recent I mean, I don't know. If it's a
beach side restaurant, maybe you can get away with shorts.
I'm not a shorts man. I don't want to see
fellas fella's bottom legs. You know, it's just not my thing.

Speaker 3 (01:26:16):
Is it related to the price of the mains? So
if the main is over thirty five dollars, then you
should have pants on.

Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
I think you're onto something, yeh.

Speaker 3 (01:26:25):
If it's under thirty thin shorts of point, yeah, I
don't know. Thank you for your cool Kushler.

Speaker 1 (01:26:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
Do you agree with Kushler? A shorts? Just a no
no when it comes to a restaurant.

Speaker 3 (01:26:35):
I remember once my dad was really strict on dress,
just on table manners, so strict, and I remember just
sitting down at the table once in a singlet and
he went into the kitchen. I'd sit down and I
got kicked out within a second, and I was like why,
As I was walking to the kitchen. He goes, you
just a peg, it's too much skin for the dinner table.

Speaker 16 (01:26:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:26:56):
Yeah, But I paid him back because I just laid
into the dessert from the kitchen outside of his site,
got in for dessert, I'd eat most of it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighties, number of cool, Greg,
What do you reckon?

Speaker 12 (01:27:10):
I do think just tendards have dropped, and I think
they've dropped quite a lot. You know, we don't get much,
but when we do go out on i'd like to
look smart. And then about three or four years ago,
I wanted my wife and my daughter to give me
a killed because they were going to be in Scotland
and they didn't. And they were refused to because they said,
you wear it out. And I said, well, what's wrong

(01:27:30):
with that? And they said the problem is you'd wear
it out. How are you supposed to? And I said,
so I never got to kill and I was quite
annoyed about it. So we're in Vietnam about two years ago,
and I bought a custom made Hounds tooth suit and
then they refused to go out with me. What oh,

(01:27:51):
you know what the Houn's tooth suit.

Speaker 3 (01:27:53):
Looks like I'll just have a week Google.

Speaker 13 (01:27:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:27:56):
Anyway, the first time I did wear it that with
my wife, we went to the ballet in Taroga here
and there was probably three or four other women said,
you're the SPS looking man.

Speaker 3 (01:28:09):
Here hounds too. Suit is bloody classy, that's like the
kind of stuff on that TV show The Gentleman.

Speaker 5 (01:28:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:28:19):
Well, we're walking down the strip of Las Vegas and
I heard this song and I at least half a
dozen people comment on here I shave but I and
normally they're all looking at my wife because she's caught us,
and so I do think stand has dropped. But I
do like to dress up when I.

Speaker 8 (01:28:34):
Can, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
Yeah, well you know the old kilt thing that is
that is tidy in Scotland, even though we all know
what goes on underneath that kilt.

Speaker 3 (01:28:44):
That is that is, you know, putting on an effort.

Speaker 10 (01:28:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:28:47):
But the problem with the kilt after the event as
people doing the feast your eyes joke where you where
you go and you lift your cilt and go feast
your aise. I haven't had that pleasure yet, haven't you. No,
it's as hard as New Zealand and not to go
for that joke because you don't feel you know, it's
a novelty to be in in a and a celt.

Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
Yeah, all right, keep those tigs coming through and I
one hundred eighty ten eighty Have we let the standard
slip when it comes to dressing for the occasion? Tell
us it is twenty one past three.

Speaker 3 (01:29:19):
Feast your raise on this.

Speaker 1 (01:29:25):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk V.

Speaker 2 (01:29:40):
That's the kilt magic right there.

Speaker 3 (01:29:41):
That's Billy Connolly in the movie Brave.

Speaker 2 (01:29:43):
Yeah, what a great movie. Oh, one hundred and eighty
ten eighty. Say, have we let the our standard slip
when it comes to dress? Laker?

Speaker 3 (01:29:50):
How are you?

Speaker 11 (01:29:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:29:52):
Let's thank you?

Speaker 2 (01:29:53):
Have I seen your name right?

Speaker 1 (01:29:54):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (01:29:54):
Laker?

Speaker 10 (01:29:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:29:56):
Thank yeah? Very good? Now what is yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
What's your take? Do you reckon we've let the standard
slip in this country?

Speaker 13 (01:30:03):
I have a distant take. I'm thinking we need to
have like a different perspective on what is a standard
for dress code and include I think cultural perspectives interesting.
Otherwise you're just talking about Western dress code and wearing
collared shirts. And things like that, which might or might
not be formal attire in many other countries.

Speaker 3 (01:30:25):
But you can tell whatever a culture is. You can
tell if someone's making an effort and wearing something nice
as something super casual. It might not have it, you know,
a college might not have to be a college shirt.
But you know what I'm saying, like, you can see
that someone's wearing something flat fancy.

Speaker 13 (01:30:40):
Yeah, And that's what I'm saying, is like, yes, And
there are also different norms in every culture about when
formal attire should be worn, et cetera. So I think
it's a far broader thing than just saying yeah, just
wanted to add in perspective, no.

Speaker 3 (01:30:56):
No, fair enough, but you can kind of You can tell, though,
you can tell if someone is making the appropriate effort
for the situation, whatever culture they're in. Thank you so
much for your call. LAKA yeah, good points.

Speaker 2 (01:31:11):
Some texts coming through.

Speaker 3 (01:31:12):
On nine two nine two, Teresa says standards definitely slipping,
adults wearing pajamas and the supermarket hats inside, but the
language is also slipping. I've heard bloody by the announcers
four times in the last fifteen minutes and again now
because you put it in your text, so I've had
to read bloody out again. And you use the lord's
name in vain dropping standards, Teresa, we're using the lord's
name in vain again, Tyler.

Speaker 2 (01:31:34):
Not today, I don't think. No, that was Chloe's Forbrook, Remember,
she said, Am I going to repeat it? Get into trouble?
She said, the goddamn surplus? And I thought, hang on, Chloe, Yes,
that offends a lot of people.

Speaker 3 (01:31:47):
Yeah, okay, so I'm sorry that we keep saying bloody
And we'll try and sort that out, shall we?

Speaker 2 (01:31:52):
But we look the part we dreas for success.

Speaker 3 (01:31:54):
This textas said, my ex wore shorts to his wedding
to his second wife. He looked ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
And this one giday guys standards, definitely slipping, adults wearing
pajamas in the supermarket, hats inside, and this one are
you are not talking about going out for a feed.
You're talking about him pressing everybody and possibly someone that
you'd like to take home. The place and food are irrelevant.
If you're going to dress up, you're not really dressing

(01:32:23):
up for the restaurants. You're just dressing up to make
yourself look better than you.

Speaker 3 (01:32:26):
Are, Oh, well, what's wrong? What's wrong with dressing? Dressing
to be dressing of who you want to be, not
where you are dressing yourself into the situation, isn't it?
Isn't it something in that?

Speaker 2 (01:32:37):
Yeah, and if you want to take someone home, you
got to look the part. Surely, nothing wrong with that.

Speaker 3 (01:32:41):
I used to be a manager of a warehouse and
you know, goods in an out type situation. And I
had a friend that I hired right at the bottom,
and yeah, he was right at the bottom. But I said,
it wouldn't be funny if you wore a suit every
day and I will call you sir and pretend you're
the boss, even though he was just starting. And yeah,
so I called my mate Andy. He just wore a

(01:33:02):
nice suit every day, and I acted like he was
the boss. And people were treating him so different. He
was basically running the place he was. And then we
were doing little scenes. We had yell at me in
the office and slammed the door and fire me out.
It was a great time.

Speaker 2 (01:33:15):
Yeah, very good.

Speaker 3 (01:33:16):
Met and Tyler Keys have always presented themselves as the
most terribly dressed. Feral is the best description. Funnily enough,
the richer they are, the more feral they are because
like our homeles citizens, they don't really care about what
society thinks. Okay, all right, okay, shots fired at the
bloody in New Zealand also said bloody again, what.

Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
A text to go on? Sorry Teresa, no more blessed
for me. Standards of slop until last until next week.

Speaker 3 (01:33:38):
I'm wearing a baseball hat as well.

Speaker 2 (01:33:40):
Yeah take your hat off inside, would you? Oh well,
all right, great discussion, thank you very much, But we've
got to get to the headlines. Be kids coming up next,
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and remember the founding charter of the New Zealander of
the Week clearly states that any person, group, animal, thing
or snack can be honored. So let's get on with
it for our beloved dairies. The ten minute temp park

(01:35:44):
out front.

Speaker 1 (01:35:45):
Is life and death.

Speaker 3 (01:35:47):
Whilst tacos are great and taco's from Tarco Loco even better.
When this week, with parkser plenty across the road, a
lazy lady chose to shove her car and Garnet Dairy
Westmes ten and then set down for a long arsed
sets shoving Mexican sandwiches in her face. She crossed a
line and so pushed to the limit by endless parking entitlement.

(01:36:10):
The dairy owner entered the next door Taco Loco, but
Loco he didn't go. She could have apologized, put down
her taco and reparked her auto, but instead she went
full loco, becoming abusive and turning on the water works.
Pragniche Pato, the parking sheriff of Garnet Dairy, for doing

(01:36:31):
what needed to be done so the good people of
Wesmeya can conveniently stop and get their milk, bread and
other items. You are a new Zealander of the week.

Speaker 2 (01:36:49):
Traditions are forged in time.

Speaker 3 (01:36:52):
They grow slowly, but are stomped out so easily, and
whilst scaling two point seven liters of beer out of
a ninety one centimeter glass is a stupid thing to
do most days of your life. On your twenty first birthday,
it is very special. Like firewalking in Tahiti, the Satirimaui

(01:37:12):
bullet and initiation of Brazil, the Confucian g le and
guan li of China, and the Sasian nohi of Japan.
The Kiwi yati is a sacred rite of passage. That's
why the nation was shocked to its score this week
with the news that the Makutuku Black Dog tabn is
being investigated for simply doing what is always been done,

(01:37:35):
filling up a stupidly long glass of beer for a
newly minted adults once in a lifetime drink their twenty
first yati. You are silly and dangerous and that's the point,
my cookie monster most of mine, and you are a
New Zealander of the week. Everyone knows the two funny

(01:37:59):
country singing Kiwi twins, sometimes camp leaders and sometimes dressed
up as men called Ken. Their performances and TV shows
and media appearances have loomed large over the New Zealand
zeigeist since the nineteen eighties. Sadly, this week, one of
them passed as Linda, the one who remains put it.
It is with deep sorrow and unimaginable grief I announced

(01:38:19):
the passing of my beloved twin sister Jules. She lived
bravely with breast cancer for twenty two years. Now she
is finally free to ride on Pegasus, her wind course
and round up sheep again with our dad Peter and
all her precious dogs. But it was this beautiful line
Dame Linda read out from her sister that really strummed
our national heart strings this week.

Speaker 27 (01:38:42):
There was one simple statement and that was, if you
get a chance, Linda, could you thank MW Zealand for me.
I sign off the Jewels Top the Dame a beautiful
horsewoman who are very special twin sister.

Speaker 3 (01:38:59):
It's heartbreaking stuff. Blessing Dame Jewles Top you are a
New Zealander of the week. Take it away the top one.

Speaker 6 (01:39:14):
Sail fan.

Speaker 1 (01:39:21):
On your home of Afternoon Talk Mad Heath and Tyler

(01:39:51):
Adams Afternoons call eight hundred eighty eight News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:39:55):
B News Talk said, be New Zealand film Caterpillar is
in cinemas. Now you're right, right, it's right.

Speaker 16 (01:40:04):
We did ask that you bring a family member to
the meeting today. Have you spoken to your daughter? It's
pretty clear. It's progressive rapidly. How long? What Happened to You?

Speaker 2 (01:40:24):
It is a stunningly beautiful film and it looks at
relationships between mothers and daughters and how those evolve over time.
It is getting rave reviews. And we are joined now
by writer and director Chelsea Preston Crayford. Very good afternoon
to you, Chelsea.

Speaker 10 (01:40:37):
Hi, how are you joined?

Speaker 1 (01:40:38):
Tyler?

Speaker 3 (01:40:38):
He's doing very good and so am I now, Chelsea.
Obviously this movie is very personal. Can you tell us
about your inspiration for writing it? Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:40:49):
Well, it's set in two thousand and three in Wellington,
and it may surprise you to learn I also grew
up in Wellington in two It's a work of what
I would call auto fiction, so it's sort of set
in the world of my life growing up. I grew
up in a house with my mum and my grandma

(01:41:09):
and the film follows these three generations of women. It's
multi protagonist, and we follow these three women at three
pivotal life stages as their families going through a massive
change kind of unbeknownst to them, and they're all all
of their needs are smashing up against one another. So

(01:41:31):
it's inspired by my life from Wellington growing up. There's
lots of two thousand and three bangers like Stellar. We
have Scribe and There with a Savage, We've got Concord Dawn.

Speaker 28 (01:41:45):
It's yeah, it's pretty fun.

Speaker 8 (01:41:48):
To go back to that time.

Speaker 3 (01:41:50):
So tell us about the three characters, the three generation
main characters, who they are.

Speaker 10 (01:41:56):
So we've got Cathy, who's sixteen going on twenty six.
She's either rampantly overconfident or wildly and secure and nowhere
in between. She's spiraling the whole time, trying her luck
with sort of. She's got really thin eyebrows and she's
testing the waters with boy races and badly homemade bongs.

(01:42:19):
And then we've got Maxine, who's she's in her fifties.
She's a trailblazing feminist filmmaker on the verge of a
big breakthrough. And then we've got I don't know if
you can think of any parallel. And then we've got Huya,
who is eighty and she's been the domestic glue of

(01:42:40):
their family, but she's starting to feel her mind playing
tricks on her, and she's starting to realize that she's
not going to be you know, things aren't going to
be how they are for much longer. And this is
kind of the catalyst for the film.

Speaker 2 (01:42:57):
Sound like incredible characters, Chelsea. So the monarch butterfly is
a recurring element in this film. How did that come
into the story?

Speaker 28 (01:43:05):
Well, my dad actually like because the film, because the
film is auto fiction, so it feels really you know,
obviously there's a lot of stuff that draws from real life,
but not much of the story actually happened. The overall
sort of emotional arc of it happened. My grandmother had dementia.

Speaker 10 (01:43:26):
And obviously we had to learn how to hold her
instead of her holding us, which is really the arc
of the story. But the main character, Hu he is
she she loves monarch butterflies, and that my grandma never
was a monarch person. My dad was a monarch person.
And one day I went to his house and he

(01:43:48):
had been on this crusade trying to save these caterpillars
from paper wasps, and he gave me this.

Speaker 28 (01:43:55):
Twenty minute speech.

Speaker 10 (01:43:56):
About this massive kind of crusade he'd been on all day,
and then he said, at the end of her life
is a hostile thing sometimes and I was like, this
is going.

Speaker 1 (01:44:08):
In the movie.

Speaker 2 (01:44:09):
This is a great line.

Speaker 26 (01:44:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know.

Speaker 10 (01:44:13):
It's a great metaphor that sort of runs through the film.

Speaker 3 (01:44:18):
So, you know, auto fiction, you're obviously working through real
life grief and using art to do that. Would you
recommend that as a way as a path to deal
with with grief?

Speaker 10 (01:44:30):
Absolutely, Yeah, I've done that in short films as well,
of you know, taking something. I mean, the film the
film is about grief, but it's also massively about love.
It's about how to love each other even when all
of your needs are colliding and you're all very different.

(01:44:51):
And yeah, I think art is a really important way
of kind of taking these universal human experiences that are
hard and turning them into something that can be cathartic,
that can connect us, and also that can be really funny,

(01:45:11):
Like hopefully the film is all funny. It's got this
kind of teenage Shakespeare production that runs through it, and
this questionable, maybe slightly creepy drama teacher running through it
that's quite cringey and also very a real two thousand

(01:45:31):
and three throwback to a certain type of guy. And yeah,
so I think it's a really important way to do
that was that.

Speaker 2 (01:45:43):
The key here when you've got the you know, part
of the movie is around dementia, and dementia for a
lot of people can be a bit of a taboo thing.

Speaker 3 (01:45:51):
And I'll say this, Chelsea that my nana had dementia
as well.

Speaker 2 (01:45:54):
But when you mentioned human there, Nana was the first
one to make lights of some of the things that
were going on when she had that dementia. So is
that part of I suppose breaking open what can be
difficult for people to broach even if they are experiencing it.

Speaker 28 (01:46:09):
Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 10 (01:46:10):
And I think, like you know, with storytelling, I think
if you want people to be able to cry, you
have to be able to make them laugh, you know,
sort of. And that's what we do as New Zealanders
as well. That's what we're so good at. Is like
some of the hardest times of my life or you know,
the most dire moments are also the funniest. That's just

(01:46:36):
kind of what we're good at. So it's how we cope.
And that's life, isn't it. It's all of it. It's
the light in the shade.

Speaker 2 (01:46:42):
We're talking to writer and director Chelsea Preston Craifort about
her new film Caterpillar in Cinemas.

Speaker 3 (01:46:47):
Now, Well, speaking of life, there's been a lot of
your life acting. You're an actor of note, How does
that work as a director, How does that influence your
directing style? Coming from an actor's perspective.

Speaker 28 (01:46:59):
It's interesting, isn't it. I mean, I wouldn't know.

Speaker 10 (01:47:02):
I wouldn't know necessarily, like I just did my best,
but it definitely like I had a lot of I
guess understanding of the actors, and you know, they really
like we have the cast thing. This is the thing
is like the film has had the most amazing reception.

(01:47:26):
We've had phenomenal reviews. We've got five stars in the Herald,
four point stars of the Listener. We've had like incredible
audience responses. And it's clear, as you say, Tyler, that
this is like a really universal experience going through something
with an aging family member, and many of us have

(01:47:48):
experienced dementia as well. And the cast, I mean, the
characters are also you know, really obviously were very personal
to me and the cast. A Nation who played Cassy,
the youngest character, Martin Dussador who played Maxine, the filmmaker,

(01:48:11):
and then Lisa Harrow, one of our absolute icons in
New Zealand playing Huya. They gave their whole selves to
these roles. It really was quite an extraordinary experience, particularly
with Lisa, because Lisa was grieving her husband Roger at
the time, and obviously this film was a vehicle for

(01:48:34):
my grief for my grandma, and so we had this
quite incredible exchange. Lisa and I really held space for
each other's grief, and I think that comes through in
the movie. You know a lot of people are coming out,
you know.

Speaker 28 (01:48:49):
Moved and hopefully it's uplifting as well.

Speaker 3 (01:48:53):
So you worked on this project for a very long time,
So what's it been like. So what's the feeling finishing
it and releasing it with so much work gone into
it and then getting such an amazing response.

Speaker 10 (01:49:07):
It's it's pretty wild. It's been eight years since the
sort of first germ of the idea to now it
being in cinemas and all New Zealand. You know, that's
not an uncommon timeline, Like all New Zealand films are
such a labor of love. And this is the thing

(01:49:28):
that I think that people don't realize is the amount
of time that they stay in cinemas is informed by
the opening few weeks box office, So if people don't
get out. You know, we live in this age of
streaming now where everything's available all the time, that's still
not necessarily true of our New Zealand stories.

Speaker 11 (01:49:49):
You actually have to get out there if.

Speaker 10 (01:49:51):
You want to see them, and you want them to
stick around, you have to get out there and see
them as soon as you can. Because I can tell
you Star Wars will be in the film in the
cinemas in a month, but the New Zealand films that
are there at the moment won't necessarily be.

Speaker 2 (01:50:07):
It's a brilliant era at the moment, absolutely, Chelsea, thank
you very much for having a chat with us, and congratulations.
As you say, it is getting rave reviews. It looks
to be an incredibly beautiful and also personal film, So
congratulations and thank you very much for chitting with us.

Speaker 10 (01:50:20):
Yeah, get out there and go to the movies and
take your mom and take.

Speaker 2 (01:50:24):
Your daughter, and you know, absolutely that's what I'll be
doing one hundred percent. Chelsea, thank you very much for
the film is called Caterpillar. It is in cinemas right now.
Make sure you go see it. It is a stunningly
beautiful film. You're listening to news talks, it'd be back
very surely.

Speaker 1 (01:50:40):
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks,
It'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:50:49):
Very good afternoon chew.

Speaker 3 (01:50:50):
It is eight to four.

Speaker 2 (01:50:53):
And if you want to go see Caterpillar, it is
in movies are theaters right now across the country. You
can go to Hoytz rialto go check it out. It
looks like an extremely beautiful, poignant, but also funny film
as well.

Speaker 3 (01:51:05):
A movie theater is having a renaissance at the moment.
It feels like a lot more people are going to
the flicks.

Speaker 2 (01:51:10):
Yes, which is a great thing.

Speaker 3 (01:51:12):
The Mandalorian movie Yes, Grugo and the Mendolorian what if
It's called? And there's that movie Obsession that's coming is
out at the moment, the horror movie Sensation. Obsession cost
a million dollars to make and it's making about three
hundred million worldwide.

Speaker 2 (01:51:29):
There's back rooms, backrooms on fizzing for and I know
you are too.

Speaker 3 (01:51:32):
Yeah, and then there's this movie Caterpullart. So what a
great thing to do over the weekends. Also, of course
the top table class between the Warriors of the Panthers
on Sunday isn't there.

Speaker 2 (01:51:40):
It's going to be a Biggie and Super Rugby. So
we've got the Crusaders versus the Canes tonight seven five
pm and.

Speaker 3 (01:51:47):
The horses are there, and the horses are.

Speaker 2 (01:51:49):
There, what do you reckon if he had to pick
up Crusaders versus the Canes.

Speaker 3 (01:51:53):
Well, the Canes don't really have to win, so they
might be just treading as a training run, whereas the
Crusaders really want to beat the Hurricanes, such as they
jump over the Blues and the table so they have
a home home playoff game against the Blues. So either
way they're playing the Blues. So it's either going to
be the Blues and awking one of the Blues in
christ Church yep. Well one stadium with the horses.

Speaker 2 (01:52:13):
Well, tomorrow night Chiefs versus the Blues, so that will
be a fantastic game as well. It's getting down to
the pointy end.

Speaker 3 (01:52:20):
Right speaking at the point of end, that brings us
the end of the show. Thank you so much for
listening and thanks for all your calls and texts.

Speaker 2 (01:52:25):
So every week we get so many great New Zealanders
that we pick a Caller of the Week. And earlier
this week we were talking about the pushback on the
so called tradwife traditional wife, which is a married woman
who dedicates herself to cooking, raising children, and taking care
of all the home edmind while a husband focuses on
earning the money. When Sonya gave us a call to
say she was a proud trad wife and wouldn't have

(01:52:45):
it any other way.

Speaker 9 (01:52:46):
I'm a stay at home mum. I don't work and
my husband does well. I do work, I work around
the house. The only difference is he's the one that
brings home the income. He never has to worry about
has he got any clean socks or undease or the dishes,
clean everything around the house that's taken care of. I
know my car's not going to be a client because
he goes out and he works hard, and I know

(01:53:08):
who rips out and know he gets stressed some days.
But that's to take care of us. And a lot
of people have talked about the men being the leader. Wait,
he would never make a decision without talking to me
a bit about my family. You've got to do what
works for your family. I don't care. I love being
at home my husband. My husband doesn't care if I
want to go to work. I could go to work.

Speaker 1 (01:53:28):
I don't want to.

Speaker 9 (01:53:29):
Like staying home.

Speaker 3 (01:53:32):
Did you play that as the call of the week
because you want may have to become a tradwife and
stay at home and run the house.

Speaker 2 (01:53:37):
I said you're a stuete before, and yet yes, being on.

Speaker 3 (01:53:39):
I'm just across the line. I asked Stracey if she
was keen to be a traditional wife after that chat,
and she said yes. Good both you know involve us
getting a little bit richer.

Speaker 10 (01:53:50):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:53:51):
The number one drive show in the country here The
Deep to see Allen is up next, and after four
pm the Great New Zealander Simon Dello, the former anchor
of One News, on a potential return to New Zealand
and what job he wants to do most But hey, Tyler,
why am I playing the lead single from Fence from
The Revolution's nine to ninety five album Around the World
and to Day?

Speaker 2 (01:54:11):
What a fricking great song? Or to say, Raspberry Beret. Now,
I don't know, but I'm going to take a stab
this time?

Speaker 11 (01:54:17):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (01:54:18):
Is it about New Zealanders? Are a bunch of slobs,
and we don't dress up the way we're sure to.
Maybe we should wear more berets when we go out
to dinner.

Speaker 3 (01:54:26):
Kind of, it's more about an appropriate dress, because she
wore a raspberry brew bray, the kind you're finding a
second hand store, and if it was warm, she wouldn't
wear much more.

Speaker 2 (01:54:36):
Well done, mate, what a great song.

Speaker 3 (01:54:38):
I love this. All right, we'll be back from midday
on Tuesday. Until then, give them a taste of keepy
from us across the long weekends. All right, you send busy,
we'll let you go. Plus what a tune.

Speaker 2 (01:54:50):
I love it.

Speaker 27 (01:54:54):
Suns leave Regret's a chance to do it off again.

Speaker 1 (01:55:05):
Fill spare hundreds, proud as far as you want. For

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