Full Show Podcast: 30 April 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
SAIB very good afternoons. You welcome into Thursday show. Really
good to have you listening and thank you very much.
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Speaker 3 (00:34):
Mess doing very very well. Looking forward to three hours
of radio. Eight hundred, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
another nineteen nine twer. If you want to text us
all right, then bang on.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
It's going to be a doozy of a show coming
up after three o'clock. I want to talk about subscription overload.
A recent article tells how these services can become an
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adding up. But as the number of those subscriptions continue
to grow and the price goes up and up and up.
How are you dealing with the subscription overload? Are you

(01:03):
starting to say I've had enough of all of them,
I can't do this anymore. You're going through your accounts
and what the hell am I actually paying for this
particular service? I only use maybe once a month. Is
it just too much?

Speaker 4 (01:15):
Well?

Speaker 3 (01:16):
Well, and there's also HBO that has announced that they're
coming to the country, So you're willing to sign up
for another one?

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yeah? TV plus, I've.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
Just dropped one. I dropped one because they started saying,
even though I'm paying the subscription, that you need to
upgrade your subscription for them to stop playing paying ads?

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Right, I think I know the one.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
It sounded like mafioso standover techniques.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
So what I'm thinking of it's very dirty. It's the
intitification to the f degree what they've done.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
So you're already subscribed and this is the product that
you've been getting, but now if you want to continue
getting the same products you had, you have to pay more. Yeah,
under those circumstances, I'm out.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
Yep, yep, it's going to be a great chat. After
three o'clock? Is it too much? In a Are you
starting to ditch all of these subscriptions you used to have?
After two o'clock? A Tekapuna homeowner has been fined twenty
one thousand dollars after trimming two protected per who to
Carwood Tree to improve his seaview. So the eighty to
one hundred year old trees. One was on his property,
one near his property on a public access way. We're

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pruned without council consent and in ways that the council
say damage their health and their structure. So the man
claimed the work was for safety reasons, but later did
admit part of it was to clear his view as
well of the ocean, and the court found his actions careless,
noting he should have checked the rules and find him
that twenty one thousand dollars.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
I believe that humans are more important than trees, and
there is nothing wrong with pruning a tree on your
own property so you can see the sea. Even a hoot,
even a hoot, will just keep going and going and going,
even if it falls over or starts to keep going.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
That's so true. It doesn't give up the very incredible.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
I love a perhodic cover beautiful trees, but they'll just
cover everyone's view. I think if it covers your view,
that branch off, as long as the roots are still
operational holding the bank together. Good to go, yep. But
this idea that you would take the bahoda car was

(03:17):
I don't know right to have endless branches over someone
whose house has been bought for the view. Yeah, and
I think that's ridiculous humans first three second.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah, that's going to be a good chat after two o'clock.
But right now, let's discuss policy ahead of the election
for six months out and criticism is mounting over how
little policy Labor has put forward thus fast. So analysis
by Henry Cook shows that at the same points in
twenty twenty three, the National Party had already rolled out
a wide range of policy policies that included income tax changes,

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family boost, electricity generation plans, interest deductibility, the bright Line Test,
to measures targeting boot camps and gang patches. At a
similar stage in twenty seventeen, Labor had announced key we
build healthy homes and an expanded reserve bank mandate. By Contra,
Labor under Chris Hipkins so far has offered a capital
gains tax which will fund three GP visits, a technical

(04:16):
tweak to GP funding, a small rebate for the video
game sector, and a largely undefined future funds. So Hipkins
address this issue in an interview he had with Kerry
Woodham this morning.

Speaker 5 (04:27):
We have lots to talk about, not policy yet, so
I assume that will come after the budget.

Speaker 6 (04:32):
We've said after the budget because so much is changing.
You know, I've been really clear. I don't want to
make promises and then turn around in government and say, oh,
we couldn't do that. You know, we didn't get that right,
or we promise something we can't deliver on, and I
don't want to get into that territory. So waiting until
the government have set out the finances, we know what
the economic forecasts are. It is actually right now, the

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responsible thing to do, and.

Speaker 7 (04:54):
It's also working for you because every time any party
releases a policy, they go down in the polls.

Speaker 6 (04:59):
Well, the National Party of quite desperate at the moment.
They're jumping on anything. They're making up policies for us
at this point because they don't want to talk about
their own policies and they don't want to talk about
what was X happening and the things that they are
responsible for. My approach is a pretty clear one. You know.
I've set out the priorities for us jobs, health, homes,
cost of living. That's where our policy is going to
be focused. We'll have policies on all the other areas

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as well, but that's the central focus for us.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
Well, the ones that everyone is so you just say
that you you know, jobs, health, homes mine, He keeps
rolling out. Yeah right, I know that's obviously been worked on.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
But how yeah, how that's the big question.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
And to say that, you know, it's the responsible thing
to do, it's Look, it seems disingenuous, right, It's a strategy. Yep,
it's a strategy.

Speaker 8 (05:47):
It is.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
It's a strategy because as soon as you put something up,
then people look at it, and then you're you're in
the headlines and people find problems with it. But right
now you are just sitting there, and it seems it's
quite a smart policy, right, you sit there and the
coalition governments and the headlines for what is what is happening.

(06:08):
People are unhappy at the moment because things haven't been
going that great. Economy isn't the greatest it's ever been.
So the idea is people will not like what they've
got so much that they're like you, rather than giving
them something to like.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
That's right. Yeah, it's neutral territory, and it's you know,
arguably it is a smart strategy.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
We'll sit back and watch everyone to hear everyone else,
hear each other apart, and you know, let the hostel media,
fill the headlines with coalition and stuff, and it does
seem to be working if you believe the polls, yep,
which I don't. Well, you know, I don't, but if
you do, you probably shouldn't. But if you do, then
it's working, right. Yeah, labors seem to be doing quite well.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
Yeah, but what do you say, I one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is that number to call? Is this
a smart strategy? And a follow up question, even if
it is a smart strategy, is it the right thing
to do for the people of New Zealand? It just,
from my opinion, we've got a lot of things going
on in the country right now, a lot of things
to sort out. I want to see from all parties
what their idea ideas are on how they're going to

(07:06):
sort that. I don't want to wait until May when
the budget comes out for your fantastic idea that is
going to get ripped apart at that time. I want
to hear it right now. What are your clever ideas
for how we get out of the situation we're are
in and get the economy back on track. I don't
care about your justifications now we're going to wait to
see what the treasury sees and what's on the budget.
You can change that any time you like. They already

(07:28):
have excess to a lot of those Treasury are reports
and they.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
Have enough information to have policies.

Speaker 9 (07:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
The idea that they find out everything is the budget
comes out.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Come on, Come on.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
Come on. They can look around and have if they
have a strong base of what they believe, a strong
moral base and a strong ideological base, then they could
be making policies and suggests to make things better. I mean,
they've been completely silent about the fuel situation they have.
They haven't seen it how they would do it differently.
They've said that they would do it differently. They haven't
seen how they would how they would do it differently.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
But it works, right Yep.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
Seems to me it works because they just sort of
floating along. They're just floating along even when the Greens
put up some policies, and the Greens have put up
a lot policies. They have that they've been punished in
the polls for them because people have looked at them
and gone.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
I like them, Yeah, I like them one bit, yeap,
So tell us what you think. O eight hundred eighty
ten eighty Is that a smart strategy from Labor and
is it the right thing to do for the voting population?
Nine two ninety two is that text number as well?
It is fourteen past one beg very shortly the.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks that'd.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
Be seventeen past one. So as it stands six months
out from the election, Labor is yet to release much policy.
The main one, of course, is their capital Gains tanks
that will go to fund three GP visits for everybody
in New Zealand. But apart from that, they've said they
are going to wait until late May after the budget
before they start announcing any real policy. So is that

(08:58):
a good strategy or do you want to hear more
from the opposition leader in terms of what they've got
to offer this country if they are to get back
in government. I eight hundred eighty ten eighty to number to.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
Call the six this textas says, Labor can sit on
their record. The economy was firing under them. It's created,
it's created created, sorry, it's created under these a holes.
I can pronounce a holes.

Speaker 10 (09:23):
It's good.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
I changed that. There's not a shit. Hell it was written.
It's only two years ago. We can remember when it
was good. So we will vote for Labor on what
they did last time. Okay, agree with that. Yeah, keep
those ticks coming through on nine two, nine to two.
This one says Giday, Guys, the current government hasn't done
too much in the realm of policy. Yes, star releasing them,

(09:46):
but I don't like what they see. This is a
smart strategy from Labor, and I think it's working out
well for them. I look forward to what they eventually announced,
but it can't be any worse than what we've see now.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
The bottom line says this text as Labor have no
idea what to do. That's why they're not suggesting plans.
So I guess what I mean, what are we talking
about here? Are we talking about the strategy? So if
you're just talking about a strategy, a cynical if it's
let's assume it's just a cynical strategy that you don't

(10:17):
share what you're saying because you stay out of the headlines,
you don't get in trouble, you don't put your head
up to be knocked out, right, is that a wise strategy?
You know it take about the moral side of it,
or you know, you know, putting your hand up to
be the new government and telling people what to vote

(10:37):
for it probably is a pretty good strategy at the stage,
right because because you just look, you look at how
the media are going the current coalition and you see
a little bit of a little bit back and forth
between the members of the coalition, you just stand back
and go. Because also the other thing you've got to
remember is when they say their policies labor, they also

(10:58):
have two other parties that they'll have to be in
a coalition with because New Zealand first has ruled them
out and there's a good chance to Pat Mai or
the Greens will start going them if they name any policy.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
Right, yeah, absolutely, and they already have to you know,
extend over the capital gains tax. Then to party multi
come out and say they haven't gone far enough, should
be a full noise wealth tax. The Green came in
and they came in with their own tax policy, so
it all started to get pretty messy for them when
they release that policy. So that's a hard one beat
to your question, and it is a genuinely hard one
for me to answer. But I do agree with you
that it's a strategy that is probably going to be

(11:29):
pretty successful for them. And I know you said, don't
bring in the morals into it, but that's why it's
so difficult, because I have to. I just think it
is so duplicitous, not too tallous. I want to actually
hear from them. I want to actually hear for them.
What are your ideas? What have you got up your
sleeve that is actually going to help this country long term?
And the fact that we're not getting that it does
my head and we are six months out, But what

(11:50):
do you say? Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call? Nine two ninety two is the
text number, hundreds of texts coming through.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
The scary of but true thing is that people have
short memory and are dumb enough to vote on a
party with no policies. Yeah, well they probably are. And
does it talk more to Yeah? Is politics just more
vacuous now and more of a vibe thing? Is it
less of a going through someone's policies and working out
who you support and who you think will implement the

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things that will make the economy and better and make
your life better? Is that too much work? Now? It's
just a vibe thing. I'm feeling like things aren't great,
so I like the party that isn't in right now.
And so if you're labor, you're like, the last thing
we want to do is ruin the vibe. Yeah, the
vibe seems to be good for us at the moment,
So the last thing we want to do is ruin

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that with a bunch of policies that people might hate.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
It's almost like, who's pissing me off the least at
the moment, and that's who Old Pop. You know, it's
a fair strategy for some people who was annoying me
the least. But is it the right thing to do
going forward?

Speaker 3 (12:57):
I mean the problem is, you know, historically people put
forward to a plan and then they don't necessarily do
it as well. So you know, maybe you know, a
votere is just cynical.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Now, yeah, good question. Do you agree? Eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is that number to call? And nine two
ninety two is the text? Begvery surely it is twenty
two past one.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
The headlines and the hard questions, it's the Mic Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
Australia, who already had an inflation problem got to read
a four point six up from three point seven.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
Robert Brune gives, the Director of Tax and Transfer Policy
Institute at the Australian National University, and the big.

Speaker 11 (13:30):
Concern of the RBA is that inflation expectations get out
of control. Is people expect that translation to process and
they start asking for really big wage increases at all snowballs.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
Finance Minister Nikola Willisbeck Willis.

Speaker 5 (13:42):
Governments that respond to inflation crises by pumping up the
spending ultimately make it worse for you. Look to be
careful here to not avoid short term pain and create
longer term deeper pain.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
a Vita News Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
Twenty four past one. So as Labour holding off on
a detailed policy until late May a good strategy for them.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
The way things are going, this government will fall apart
in the new few months before Labor even has to
release any policy. Would be nice to know what they
clearly articulated goal as though, well that's what Alen Clark
is jumping up and down saying she is, yeah, she's
saying rent a comment she is. She is saying that

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she doesn't think the coalition is going to make it
to the election. I can They're going to make it
to the election.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah, Clark's going to say that. Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
Welcome to the show. Craig, are you there, Craig?

Speaker 2 (14:42):
You know, mates, we've got Craig. No, no, Craig. All right,
something's going on with the phone line. Just there, We
we got you there mate. Now there's all kinds of
problems with this phone at the moment. Yeah, gotcha mate.
How are you?

Speaker 12 (14:57):
I'm good?

Speaker 13 (14:57):
Here are you boy?

Speaker 7 (14:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Good mate? Good? So what what's your thoughts on this?

Speaker 1 (15:00):
Does it?

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Does it worry you? Or are that Labour's not releasing policy?
Is it a good strategy?

Speaker 13 (15:06):
Well, they're not releasing policies because they've got to release
a chimp is doing? Is guess lighting the devastation and
elm and de Sinda bought on the country through their
term and government. I mean, how many hundreds of billions
of dollars have just disappeared into the vapor without any
in capability? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (15:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (15:29):
Do you think we do well on the run of that?

Speaker 13 (15:31):
Seriously? I mean this austerity that we're all going through
to recover from the financial bloody falling out from from labor.
No one's enjoying it. Ah, but you know what's the alternative?
I mean, we can't just keep borrowing and go broke.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
Yeah, it's it's interesting, though, isn't it, Craig? Because I
read this text out before and it's funny how differently
people seen the same see the same events.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
So did you have that text?

Speaker 3 (16:03):
I read it before. It's here. It is Labor can
sit on their records. The government was firing under them,
it's created under these a holes. It's only two years ago.
We can remember when it was good, so we will
vote for labor on that. So can quine? Interesting that
someone could see it so entirely differently from the way
you see it, Craig.

Speaker 13 (16:25):
Well, I'm going to assume the dead person is a
beneficiary in more than one way. And money, money is free.
It just falls out of trees. You know, people that
are in business, people that are that are that are contributing,
paying taxes. So so people like that text that can
be on a benefit. We're the ones that are feeling

(16:45):
the pain, and it's it's no joy, it's it's bloody
toughy out here. We've turned an oil tank around and
we're heading away from the rocks, thank goodness for that.
But we've got a long way to go. And look,
I'll will be the first to tell you I'm not
overjoyed with with the coalition and and the way that's going.

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But the harsh reality is, boys, we had no alternative.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
I'm just texting this, I'm just texting that text of Craig.
I'm texting, are you a beneficiary? Just just to check
in for you create we'll get some context out.

Speaker 13 (17:19):
Yeah, you know that that's that's fair enough. But you know,
there's there's there's a certain demographic of people out there
who honestly believe that they're entitled for money to pull
out of the sky into the leap. And yeah, unfortunately
there's more of them than they're AARs now.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
But the interesting thing about the interesting thing about how
the government the economy overheated after COVID at the end
of COVID, with with all the the money that was spent,
was there was a huge amount of money that transferred
to the wealthy for a while, so labor kind of
did the opposite of what you would imagine. They wanted

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to do. They overheated the economy and and well, as
you say, we don't really know where all of it went,
but a lot of it went to the wealthy.

Speaker 13 (18:04):
That's true socialism, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
Well yeah, I mean probably untend.

Speaker 13 (18:10):
From the You just you just give money because it's
here to give. The pointer is there's been no account
of But where if this, if this was a multi
national business, shareholders would demand to know where that money's gone.
Tex players, text players are shodo shareholders. We have the
right to know where that money's gone. And where do

(18:32):
you get the answers from men?

Speaker 3 (18:34):
What's interesting because Chris Hopkins was all over the last government.
You know, he was Prime Minister at one point. He
was in some of the biggest roles that you can
look at and decide whether they failed or succeeded. So
he must think that his record is good enough to
be be re elected for you know, Grant Robertson's gone ministry.

Speaker 13 (18:55):
He was in charge of ended up wearsource and when
he started. I mean that guy's trek record is just misery,
do you know, Yeah, yeah, he doesn't even know what
a woman is for going to say yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
But to all that to the to the side, Craig,
do you not still want to see a contest of ideas?
I can see clearly how you feel about Labor and
fair enough to but do you still not want to
see some ideas come to the table and we can
you know that let the voting population debate.

Speaker 13 (19:23):
That's merits exactly, that's called democracy.

Speaker 5 (19:26):
Is not.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yeah, and you think that's too scared to do that
because they don't have an idea that's executive.

Speaker 13 (19:32):
I think I think he's supersy covering his urs and guests,
lighting everybody, and I don't think they've they've got any ideas.
I mean, you listen to Jenny Anderson with Mark Mitchell
on Wednesday mornings. I mean they've got nothing.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yeah, Craig, thank you very much for giving us a bars.
Really great to chat with you. So do you agree
with Craig Do you think Labor just don't have an
idea on what the policy is that they're going to
bring to the election and they're still trying to work
that out. Is that a fair criticism that they've actually
got nothing at the stage and they don't know how
to try and fix the things that they criticize that
text has come back. Okay, not beneficiary are colored nice,

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well done mate, there's some good, good research right there, teacher, teacher, Okay,
not a beneficiary though, Okay, good research right Keep those
calls coming in on Oh, one hundred and eighty ten
eighty nineteen ninety two is the text she you've used.
It is twenty ninety two.

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Now back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
Thank you very much, Rayleen. It is twenty five to
two and we are talking about the lack of policies
thus far six months out from the election. Is that
a good strategy?

Speaker 15 (21:53):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (21:53):
One hundred eighty ten eighties number.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
Hey, guys, I think the strategy will backfire and Labor,
when they do finally release their policies or lack of it,
will be pretty close to the election. People have short memories. Cheers, Brent, Abigail,
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 7 (22:06):
Yes, Hi, I agree fully with what Praig was saying.
I do not believe that Labor have any policies and
they've had two and a half years to talk and
he never says anything all he does is complain more
and grown playing game. And their country hasn't even really

(22:27):
run the last few years or prior to this current
government by labor.

Speaker 16 (22:33):
It's really been run by to.

Speaker 7 (22:34):
Paddy Mari and other people wagging fingers at Labor to
dance like puppets. And we've wasted a lot of money.
And without national and even maybe the coalition we've got,
this country will be back on its knees. We've got
to become a third World. I've been here thirty years,
never seen anison like this what happens when labor we're in.

(22:56):
On top of that, we need to change the politic,
the political background here. When parties get majority vote in Germany,
whoever it's the majority vote, get to choose who goes
with him, not the New Zealand way where Winston Peter's

(23:17):
and I don't get me wrong, I do like Winston Peter's.
I think he's he's good for a certain portion of
the country and he stands up and he says what
he thinks, and yes sometimes he gets a bit out
of control, but he's a good person all up. But
he should not be the person that's chosen the balance

(23:38):
of what happens in New Zealand, and that's something that
needs to be addressed really soon.

Speaker 17 (23:44):
But I'll tell you what.

Speaker 7 (23:45):
I've been here thirty years without National or Act, and
even Winston Peter's in the mix. I don't even think
i'd want to stay here. And I know a lot
of people who don't.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
Have you ever voted labor in the thirty years that
you've been here?

Speaker 7 (24:00):
Yes? I did, Yes, I did. I voted for Helen Clark.

Speaker 18 (24:04):
I thought she was a good woman.

Speaker 7 (24:06):
She had a brain, she was very clear, I don't.
I think she could see things reasonably on all sides,
and she fought a good fight. She never got aggressive,
she never got vindictive, she didn't keep dragging people down.
And I think her comments at the moment, which I've

(24:27):
heard very briefly, it is a strategy for people to
think that this is that the whole government at the
moment is going to fall apart. I don't believe that
for one moment. I don't believe it for a moment.
So I think that the strategy from her side being
a labor person. But if we're a labor leader like Helen.

Speaker 18 (24:48):
Clark, we'd be in a good.

Speaker 7 (24:50):
Position, but not with the chipmunks.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
We've got it's funny people. Helen Clark is always going
to say something like that. Yeah, of course, it's not
used that Helen Clark is having a go at the
current current government and that current government isn't led by labor.
When did you fall out of love with labor?

Speaker 2 (25:08):
A girl?

Speaker 7 (25:09):
Oh it was I never loved labor. I happened to
meet Helen Clark at numerous functions that I was invited
to just by good good luck of the industry. I
worked him and I met quite a few of the
Prime Ministers of New Zealand and in my previous work life.

Speaker 18 (25:31):
And yeah, I liked her and.

Speaker 7 (25:34):
I thought she had things, you know, she was very
even keel, so I did.

Speaker 19 (25:38):
Vought for her.

Speaker 7 (25:40):
So that was the only ever time. My papa in
Scotland always vodied labor. My mother only would have avoided conservative.
So that's how I was brought up. I didn't have
a lot of focus outside of that.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
If you meet, if you met Chippy, if you met I.

Speaker 7 (25:58):
Tell you what, I wouldn't even give him the time.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
A day, right, You're not going to give him a chance.
If he was very charming in person, He's got a
nice smile.

Speaker 7 (26:06):
He's not he's not sorry, And my mother said, never
come home with somebody shorter than you.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
I'm not asking about.

Speaker 17 (26:15):
Sorry, he won't make the grade.

Speaker 7 (26:17):
Sorry about that. Not here anymore, but you'll be having
a good laugh.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
Yeah, act you call it a gol, but I wasn't
suggesting that you hook up with you, chippy Robin, Welcome
to the show. Thank you for call Abigail.

Speaker 20 (26:31):
Thank you. I think it's appalling that they don't have
any policy, and I think the excuse of waiting till
after the budget is just fill in time so that
they can actually just attack the current government. They never
gave the current government much information. I mean, so much
came out of the woodwork after the books were looked

(26:53):
at after them.

Speaker 12 (26:55):
Yeah, I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
So do you think that they have the information that
they need now to be releasing policies without seeing the budget?

Speaker 20 (27:06):
Absolutely? Absolutely, they've got all the information that's coming from
the current government. They're just you know, they're very good
at spinning a line.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
So what do you think they've got policy they're thinking
about that they're too scared to release it, or they
don't even have the policy thought through well enough to
get it across the line at this point.

Speaker 20 (27:27):
I think that's not the policy. The policy is that
you would have to admit that Labor are very good
at using words. So they have actually they've got a
media behind them with most of the media. I mean,
if you look at the TV one, all the things
that are covered up, and the Herald also never prints

(27:50):
any letters that have anything good to say about national
well not never. That's a bit over the top. But
they don't need to do they They're getting all the
votes at this stage without doing anything, So.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
I think so you think the strategy will work. So
if you just take it purely as a strategy, you
obviously don't think it's for one of a better word,
morally right if right? But do you think it's a
good political strategy. Do you think it's a political strategy
that will work, and do you think it could work
right up to the election or do you think they're
going to have to really clearly lay out what they
plan to do to fix the problems as they see

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them as we get up to the election.

Speaker 20 (28:27):
I think as we go further along. I mean, when
I listened to the radio this morning, was Chris Hopkins
on there he actually got some fairly stuff questions for
which he actually had no answer.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
Curious, great woman.

Speaker 20 (28:38):
I think people in New Zealand are as dumb as
we think they are. It might be the strategy for now,
but I don't really see how they can continue it.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
On just a bit of a thought experiment, Robin, if
they were to release a policy, what would be And
I know clearly we can hear how you feel about
the Labor Party, this Labor Party, but what would you
want to see from them? What policy may change your
mind or what part of the you know, the country
that needs to be addressed may make you think that

(29:08):
they've got something here.

Speaker 20 (29:10):
Well, I think the one that they the tax that
they're introducing and they're going to actually pay everybody to
have three doctors visits, and so what about people whose
firms pay them to have you know, insurance. So I
don't even know that they have any policies that an

(29:31):
actual fact are sensible. If it were, I would like
to see them definitely backing what they're doing in the
schools with the education. I would hate to see that
they were going to change that. I would like to see.

(29:53):
I just want to see that they're not going to
splash money everywhere.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
I don't want to.

Speaker 20 (29:59):
Be money splashed everywhere like they did COVID. And I
think an actual fact, they have to do something to
appeal to Auckland because I think, you know, they didn't
even front up too when we did the report on
what had happened in COVID. They wouldn't even front up.
And at the moment they're really doing well because Jender
Cinder's movie is doing so well and Helen Clark's getting

(30:22):
a voice, so I mean, they've got so many things
going for them.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
Oh well, I think if you call Robin something that
you said reminding me of Jervis. Have you ever seen
that television show Frontline from nineteen ninety three starring Bruno Lawrence. Yeah,
it's so good, fantastic show. But he had was the
character's named Brian is yea Brian Charmers. I think the
name of the character was who was the head of
the newsroom anyway, He said, I've made an entire career

(30:50):
out of underestimating the intelligence of the New Zealand public.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
It's such a good light. Yeah, keep those calls going
through on oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty I
do you agree with Robin that they don't have any policy?
And also Robin talked about the lack of accountability with
things that went wrong with the twenty seventeen lot ninet
two niney two is the text correction.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
The quote was I've made an entire career out of
underestimating the intelligence of the public.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
Right.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
It was an Australian show. Yep, it wasn't heed in
say New Zealand all right?

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Not very good?

Speaker 10 (31:19):
Yep?

Speaker 15 (31:19):
Good?

Speaker 2 (31:20):
It is sixteen to two back.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
For shortly a fresh take on took back. It's mad
Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons, have your say on eight hundred eighty.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Eight thirteen to two. So as a lack of policy
from labor a smart strategy six months out from the election,
Let's go to Simon. My phone system's just not working
on this side, but Simon.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
Stillman virtually doesn't work on the side.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Yeah, we're having problems with the phone today. Get a
Simon boys, how you're doing? Yeah? Good mate? So your thoughts?

Speaker 21 (31:50):
I think mister Hipkoms as being somewhat disingenuous. I actually
think that they have their policies but they're holding them back.
Is it anything to do with the budget. Well, we'll
wait and see. I think they're probably going to unload
a lot of stuff very quickly and hoping that we
will be bamboozled by the amount of stuff that they're

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laying out and maybe not enough time to present it.
And one of the things that really leads me to
my thoughts on this was two or three days ago
I heard on this very station some commentary that came
from the Moody's Ratings agency that downgraded New Zealand's economic forecast,

(32:36):
et cetera, et cetera, And it was actually detailed in
their report that they had been having commentary with. I
think it's Barbara Edmonds, the Missus Edmonds, the Labor finance minister,
might have been fitting whoever downgraded us. Anyway, report wrote

(33:00):
referenced comments about the tax policies and spending that was
going to come from labor based on based on what
we don't know, because nobody in the Labor party would
respond or answer any questions about how Fitch got this

(33:23):
paragraph into their narrative and who told them that information,
and the only person that would be speaking to them
about finance would be their finance spokesperson.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
Correct it's interesting, isn't it. Thanks for you call, Simon.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
It's revenue measures, saying revenue measures, but Labour's only announced
that capital gains tax that they've said will go straight
towards free doctor visit. It's paid for by the capital
gains tax. Yes, three doctor visits. But if there's revenue
measures and they're looking at paying down some kind of

(34:01):
national debt, then there must the accusations or suggestion is
that that more has been shared with Fitch than has
been shared with the the public. Yes, I think that's
what Simon's trying to say.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
Yeah, thank you very much for your call, Simon. Right
coming up, after we play some messages, our senior political correspondent,
Barry Soper is in to talk about whether this is
a smart political play and whether it is unusual. It
is ten to two.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
Matt Heath, Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams
Afternoons News Talks B.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
It is eight to two. So it was Labor's strategy
of holding back on policy a smart political play and
is it unusual? Joining us is News Talks B. Senior
political correspondent Barry Soper. Good to see Barry.

Speaker 10 (34:44):
Good afternoon guys.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
So if it's true that they've announced this policy, then
nearly any other major party this close to election. Do
you think that's a strategy or do you think they
don't have policy to relive.

Speaker 10 (34:57):
Politics?

Speaker 2 (34:59):
We love it.

Speaker 10 (35:01):
Look I think, like they've said repeatedly, waiting for the
budget to see the numbers, and that's fair. They have announced,
of course, as the big policy, the capital gains tax
to pay for free doctors attendances. That's only three a
year though, so that's one policy, but nothing much else.

(35:26):
They'll really have to work very hard, I think to
be seen as a viable alternative, although Winston Peters is
out there making all sorts of trouble for Chris Luxen
at the moment. So politics is a bit in the
ear at the moment. But believe me, after the budget
next month, if they don't come out with something, I

(35:47):
think a lot of questions will be asked. And don't
forget they're likely almost certainly, I would imagine, to be
in coalition. They'll be dealing with the Greens and the
Maori Party.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
So is the risk of releasing policy not just with
the public and the headlines they might get. Also that
the kickback they might get from their two potential coalition
parties and the Greens right, because to get elected, Labor
needs to be pretty much not far from National.

Speaker 10 (36:18):
Yeah, well they do. They should be center parties, and
National is a center party whichever way you look at it,
and to an extent, so is Labor. But you know
they do their coalition partners. I mean, they won't have
any say and or have to agree to any policy
that Lay becomes out with. But and similarly, if you

(36:42):
look at some of the Maori Parti's policies separatism, I
don't think Labor would embrace that either. But you know
they've they've got a hard road to hoe ahead of
them because when you don't have policy, an opposition's job,
I suppose is to oppose. But if you don't have
some policy to back that up with, it's very hard

(37:04):
to be taken seriously.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
So Halen Clark has said that the coal is eating
itself alive, and I'm paraphrasing, but she doesn't know if
they'll make it to the election. Is there any credibility
in that?

Speaker 10 (37:16):
Look, Helen would love it, she'ld be wringing her hands
all the way to the ballot box, although she's overseas
at the moment. So yeah, she always has the finger
in the pie, doesn't she. Because Helen Clark of nothing else,
is an absolute ideologue and she wants Labor to do
well at any election at holds. Although I'd love to

(37:39):
sit down with Helen and have a serious conversation about
the last Labor the unbridled power of the last Labor government.
And really I can't see a person like her agreeing
with everything they did, but who knows. You know, this
is politics.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
And finally, your boka is flying off the shelves at
the moment. That's the unprecedented demand. What's the name of it?

Speaker 10 (38:05):
One question? One last question, Prime Minister?

Speaker 3 (38:07):
Yeah, one last question?

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Out in book shall scores right now? And if you
want to try and get into the library, you've got
a long wait. By the sounds of it, very I
think there's five hundred holes on it.

Speaker 10 (38:16):
Well, yeah, I found that extraordinary. I mean, if you
were five hundred th by list, wouldn't you just go
and spend forty bucks and buy it?

Speaker 1 (38:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (38:23):
You cheap, but.

Speaker 22 (38:24):
Exactly don't find a book, say I can't say that
to the very obviously very intelligent people. Yeah, absolutely they
are nicely said, Hey, great to see you, Barry, Thank
you very much.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
We'll see you Becky soon. That is Newstalks. He'd be
seeing your political correspondent, Barry Soper. So new Sport and
weather is fast approaching one hundred and eighty ten eighties
and umber to call nine two nine two is the techs.
Great to have your company on this Thursday afternoon. You
stay right here, we'll be back very shortly.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
Chess, ye's gone back, chess sum big stories, the big issues,
the big trends and everything in between them. And Taylor
Adams Afternoons News.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Talk said, be very good afternoon, chire, welcome back into
the show. It is seven pass two. Really good of
you listening in. So let's have a chat about chopping
down trees. This is after a Tuckapona homeowner has been
fined twenty one thousand dollars after trimming two protected pahutaka
were trees on his property to improve his sea views.
So the ac to one hundred year old trees. According

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to the article, one was on his property rather and
one was near a public access way. So they were
pruned without telling the council first, and in ways that
the Auckland Council says damage their health and the structures.
The man initially claimed the work was for safety reasons,
but later admitted it was to clear the view. So
the court ended up in court of course, found his
actions careless, noting he should have checked the rules. Despite

(39:54):
the seriousness of harming the protected trees. The judge did
reduce the fine for the guilty plea remorse and prior
good character. But we want to talk more broadly about
the protection of trees and pruning trees that are on
your own property. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
I mean if you have a tree, a peroda, let's say,
and at one point it doesn't cover your view, and
then as pahodak treats do as hoots do, they grow
and grow and grow and grow, and then it covers
your view. Why can't you cut the branches off. Well,
it's on your property and it has become something that

(40:35):
it wasn't before. There should be no rules about it
at all. You should just be able to go out
there with a chain saw and move what you want.
Maybe you need the roots for the you know, to
stop erosion, to stop stop your house slipping down the bank.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
That's fine, what that's fine.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
But if it's there and then it gets bigger and bigger,
does it really have any right to exist. It's it's
your tree and it's blocking your view. Whenever I see
a property that's and like it's off on beachfront. I
see a property and its view is obscured by I
want to get up there with a chainser and cut
it down myself or a business. Often you see restaurants

(41:13):
and bars and stuff which would have incredible ocean views
or whatever, incredible views and they've got a bloody perhoot's
covering it.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
They never stop growing those things.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
That's a massive and I love them as trees, yeah,
but they don't need to be the biggest thing in
the entire world. They don't need to be a giant,
twenty five story, two block wide monster. They don't have
the right to be that. Yeah, the view of the
person that owns the house should have more value than

(41:43):
the right for a tree to get as big as
it it wants. So just whip them off, just cut
them back, go for it.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
To me, it's just a tree. I think that gets
lost in netherless it is just a tree. And this
is as you mentioned earlier in the show. This is
a human being who has brought this property. The tree
is on his property. But it just seems to be
this mentality that we treat these trees like a statue
of Richie mccare and anybody who goes at it with
a chainsaw is all of a sudden enemy number one.

(42:13):
I mean, it's a Pohota car. For goodness sake, it
looked like you. I think they look quite pretty, but
we're not short of Pohota car was in New Zealand.
Just this protected nature of trees on the property. If
the native it's just too much, it's a little bit
too far.

Speaker 3 (42:25):
So if you had a statue, because I often think
about like this, and I think there are some rules
about how much you can trim it every year. Right,
there are some rules and we'll read those out, we'll
give you the and they're different in different places. Right, Yeah,
but you know this guy's got in trouble for he's done,
for the trimming that he's done. But if say you
had someone and I often think about this with a
neighbor who was just slowly nailing bits of wood to

(42:49):
a structure they were building right and just adding a
little bit and that was that was slowly blocking your view. Yeah,
that would be considered an incredibly aggressive thing to do, absolutely,
but yet we allow trees to do it. Yeah, chop
them down, chop them down. Humans first, Yeah, what do
you say?

Speaker 2 (43:05):
Do you agree? O? Eight one hundred and eighty ten
eighty And if you've come into trouble with the council
or with your neighbors for pruning a tree on your property,
keen to hear your story.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
You can trom on your probably the difference as it's protected.
That's what we're saying. Don't protect the trees.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
Yeah, yeah, that's exactly the points that you don't want
to live behind.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
To protect a tree, don't buy it.

Speaker 16 (43:24):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
They always keep the cliff from eroding your knob. You
are the knob because they don't need to have the
biggest view destroying branches for their roots to be doing
what the roots need to do.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
You can give it a wee haircut.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
There's going to be a.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
Point where the roots are good enough and then just cut.

Speaker 3 (43:41):
I just think generally we need to move towards trees
being less protected and views being more protected.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
What do you say, oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty
do you agree or disagree? Nine two ninety two? Is
that text? It is eleven past two, Beggary, surely.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
Your home of afternoon talk mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons
call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty us talk said.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
Be fourteen past two. So we aren't talking about a
story of a Takapuna man who trimmed a boutakawa on
his property and one that was towering over his property.
He's been fined twenty one thousand dollars. But the question
put to you is have we gone too far when
it comes to how we treat various trees in this country?
Now I've had a look at the rules. So this

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is Auckland Council rules. So when it comes to protected trees,
the rule is if a tree is protected through the
district Plan rules, you'll need to apply for a resource
consent to cut it down, work around it, trim or
prune it is the work may destroy or cause damage
to it. If you do not obtain a consent, you
may be fined up to two hundred and fifty thousand bucks.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
Isn't this unbelievable that you ares are supporting a wealthy person.
Oh God from norm who Well here's the stuff where
they're wealthy. So wealthy people shouldn't have any rights. Because
someone's wealthy, they're immediately a bad person.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
Where do you draw the line? I mean, if the
house is worth two million, can you cut down a
pot if it's worth one hundred thousand? Is that okay?
You can cut down adakara if it's worth a sane
are you?

Speaker 3 (45:10):
If you care how wealthy the person, It.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
Doesn't matter, it's not part of what we're talking about here.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
My neighbor told me, says this text that trees have
more rights than me as they have been there longer.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
Okay, all right, So just quickly on what is a
protected tree? This is according to again the Auckland Council.
So they say some trees are protected under the plan
because they are considered to be significant, historic or important
for enriching the area or preventing erosion as you mentioned,
so they can be referred to as listed, notable, scheduled.
Your tree may also be protected as part of a
condition of resource consent by covenant and because it is

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subject to general tree protection rule. Within a rural environment.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
But so it should never be protected such that it's
allowed to block your view. I would say it should
never be protected that much. I mean unless it's holding
the bankup, you know, if there's their reason. But you
can if it's growing as fast as a bhodicara did,
you can remove quite a lot and it will still
hold your bancup.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighties number of called
get a linettes? Hello, how are you not too bad?

Speaker 23 (46:15):
Okay? So I've got this off my chair. So, and
this is going back a number of years now. We
lived in a property that had beautiful seaviews, and over
a couple of years that we were living there, we
started to see Asahoda kawa and it was actually self

(46:37):
seated and it was going to interfere with our view
of the ocean. And so my husband had me put
saw down my trousers, you know, like a yeah, I think,
well no, like a big, a big you know what

(46:58):
what still has used to cut wood?

Speaker 12 (47:01):
Yep.

Speaker 23 (47:02):
So and we walked down to where this tree was
and I pulled out the store and we cut a
hood of carw tree down and then we actually pushed
it over the bank into the rocks below.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
One back for the humans I know.

Speaker 23 (47:25):
And so I'm like trees before, you know, I mean
people before tree.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
People before tree.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
Tree had it come into it, you know, shouldn't have
been there in the first place. What wasn't doing Tree's
passing on your pitering.

Speaker 23 (47:43):
I can't believe I've actually admitted to this.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
I appreciate that you have, though.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
Yeah, go on, you on, you all.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
Right, will just pass your details onto authorities and be
around the sea.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
You've got a friend in us Len Good on you
for your honesty. Mikey, how are you? Or is it Mickey? Sorry? Hello?
Is it Mickey or mighty? Can you hear us?

Speaker 1 (48:14):
Boy?

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Oh boy, we're having some problems with the phone today.
Mikey here there, can you hear me?

Speaker 23 (48:19):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (48:20):
There, gotcha? All right, you go for it.

Speaker 18 (48:24):
We bought a piece of land not that long ago,
back in twenty nineteen, and there were three giant macrocarpe
trees on it. One was on council land and it
was rotten, one had a cancer. The other one had
been protected by the prior owner because the neighbors wanted
her to trim it. Thirty seven meters tall. That macrocarpa

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was when the council came out to view. They said
to my husband, you need to build a house that
will withstand the tree falling down. And we applied. It
took us two and a half years to battle the council.
It cost us, well, let's say significant, significant money. We

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had to employ a barrister and to battle the council
who said the macrocarpera is a dangerous tree. But two
and a half years it took us, and we went
to the commissioners. The commissioners ruled in our favor, and
then the council said, not only do you take your
two down, then you'll need to take ours down as well. Wow,

(49:30):
at our cost can.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
You give us? Can you give us a ballpark? Figure?
Mikey on how much it costs that? Are we talking
six figures?

Speaker 18 (49:39):
Over two hundred?

Speaker 2 (49:40):
Wow?

Speaker 18 (49:41):
Over three trees, over three massive trees, just to build
our home. And we're in our seventies, we're not young.
We just wanted to build our dream home. And these
were dangerous trees.

Speaker 9 (49:53):
They just dropped.

Speaker 18 (49:54):
Branches for no reason at all, and the council were
determined that they were going to save those trees.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
Humans like me and.

Speaker 18 (50:04):
Our missing story. We've been said afterwards, we should have
just got them cut down and paid the fine. It
would have been a lot cheaper.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, And you know, and one point about
who the car is.

Speaker 18 (50:22):
We live a bit north of Auckland where there are
a lot of them. They grow like beads. There's no
need to protect them.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
That's what I thought. I love about Hoodakara as much
as the next man. But we're not short on them.
There's a heir, a lot of them out there. We
can lose a few if it's blocking a view, you know.

Speaker 18 (50:42):
So it was a massive battle and as I said it,
it nearly broke us emotionally because we're getting older, and
the council just the Greenies got in and that was
the end of that. They weren't going to give away.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
Well we won, Yeah, you're won in the end, so glad,
but it costs you, you know, over two hundred thousand
dollars as you say, my key, and if you're in
your seventies, I mean, that's just not good, good people.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
That is just so illogical and disproportionate.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
For some macrocarpers, and many of them were a couple
of them were dangerous and we're going to fall down anyway.
Humans first, humans over trees.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
My god, Matt, for a guy who studied philosophy, you're
a hypocrite and supporting chopping down trees. You are a muppet,
says John. I'm a human first philosopher. Anyone that's read
in my book, it's all about how how much I
love humans and how much I want humans to be
happy and thrive. I love a tree as much as
the next person. But if it comes down to the

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happiness of a tree over the happiness of a human,
every single time, I'm going to take the happiness of
the human over the happiness of the tree, because I'm
not even sure trees can be happy. So if someone
has a tree blocking their view, I say that trimming
back the trees such as the human can have the view,

(51:58):
will bring more happiness into the world.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
Is there such a thing as tree philosophy. I haven't
heard of it, but thank you very much for that, Dix.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
I can't believe. The two things that are blowing my
mind about this discussion is how people hate anyone for
having a nice house with a view. People that just
hate people for being wealthy, knowing nothing about them.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
Yeah, and secondly, how.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
People would prefer the world was just a complete forest
and all the humans disappeared.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
We're going to start the tree Party. We'd robert the government,
the anti tree party. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call back very shortly. It is
twenty two past two.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
Matd Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
News Talks EDB. So we are talking about tree protection
in New Zealand. This is after a Takapuna man was
fined twenty one thousand dollars for trimming trimming a bohutakawa
on his property. So have protection laws gone too far
for the so called ancient protected trees in New Zealand?
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
Subsequent issue, It's just come to the four for me.
So last night I ordered an because we're currently renovation refugees.
So I'm staying at some friend's house. You are stuff
for you, even around beautiful house that's very hospitable. But
I ordered in Turkish from Pasha fantastic Turkish restaurant in

(53:24):
Mountain right, and I ordered in the and the and
the servings are so large that I saved mine for
the next day. But now I've realized, open mine up.
I have stolen someone else's dish from the fridge of
the people's house that were staying in. I've bought the
wrong the wrong meal.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
Have you finished it? If you this a little bit left?

Speaker 3 (53:45):
Well no, I noticed immediately as I started eating it
that it's brought the wrong one in for lunch.

Speaker 13 (53:50):
Oh I know.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
So do you think we're gonna be thrown out on
the street for that?

Speaker 2 (53:53):
I think you are. I mean that is that that's
a high crime.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
That's the that's the mixed donna there And what did
you go, Max Grell? Yeah, mine was the chicken.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
Mate. Someone's going to be absolutely gutted when they come
home from work and they look in that fridge and
they've been thinking about their leftover's turgish, and then they
realize that your leftovers are in there. It's yeah, I'll
probably get home and they'll be police waiting for me. Yeah, godspeed,
hope hopefully here tomorrow. Mate, We'll see what happens with
that one. Yeah. Right Back to the Trees nine ninety

(54:26):
two is the text and there's been some pretty spicy
texts coming through.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
Hey guys, thank you so much for talking about trees.
We have been fighting with fletchers and council for a
year now to have a tree planted on our burm moved.
This tree blocks out the rising sun warm rays from
entering through the only window on the ground floor. This
will also stop the sun rays from the first floor
when the tree grows. Remember, these are natives, so will
not be trimmed. That's from Gerard. Humans over trees, Humans

(54:52):
over trees. Angelo, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 16 (54:56):
I just wanted to tell you I come from Journey
and the Lost, that the mature height of a tree.
Let's say you have a tree that becomes thirty meters.
That's how far away from any border of your section
it has to be planted to stop the route from
damaging the neighbor section and also to prevent your tree

(55:19):
to check their sun lighter way.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
Wow, So this is did you say Germany? Angela?

Speaker 8 (55:25):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (55:26):
And so so as how far from from a fence
does it have to be or a border between properties?

Speaker 16 (55:32):
The mature height of the tree. So if you plant
I don't know the oak tree and that I don't
even know how toy they can be fifteen meters, so
that would.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
Be fifty meters from the fence.

Speaker 3 (55:44):
If it's fifty high, that's.

Speaker 16 (55:45):
Right, wow, because you would interfere with other people's enjoyment
of their property, and those roots can really really damage foundations.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
Yeah, it's a great role. Can they go back in time, Angela,
you know, as if someone planted a tree before those
rules come into place, can you you know, use that
rule to say, hey, this is blocking my view. I'm
going to take out that five hundred year old tree.

Speaker 16 (56:08):
I am not sure. I mean that's something people would
consider before you by a sexual isn't it.

Speaker 3 (56:14):
It is quite cool. Often think it's crazy in there's
office arguments with neighbors just that you just and I
did this to someone once just because I didn't notice.
And then one day they came around and said, you
really punished me here with the amount of leaves coming off
your tree and to that proberbly because it had grown
over there, and I felt terrible. So I got it,
I got it cut back right. But I think people
just because it happened so slowly over time and before

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you know, you're just massively invading on someone else's space.
And as you say, Angela, that the roots are you know,
next door, messing with pipes, messing with everything, and that's
not your property. And if you go.

Speaker 16 (56:48):
Down and you could have all the leaves falling down
every single year, and you are responsible to clean the spouting,
and it's not even your tree.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
You if you were going around to your neighbor's house
at night and and you know, digging up the ground
and planting, but it's of four but two under the ground,
you'd be rubbled pretty fast.

Speaker 16 (57:09):
My friend he had a tree close by where the
roots actually lifted up their driveway, so they dug a
hole and put poison onto the root.

Speaker 3 (57:20):
Fair enough, yep, smashing up the driveway.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
Yeah, haman's over trees.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
If you plant a tree and you're and you were,
if it's in someone else's property and the roots roots
come over and smash up the driveway, what is that
any different than that neighbor coming home, coming over with
a sledgehammer smashing up your driveway. Yeah, it's from something
from someone else's property, doing damage on someone else's property.

Speaker 16 (57:40):
And don't forget about the winds we have in Canterparty.
How do you see that falling tree damaged power lines.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
Exactly, yep, And that was a problem the previous call
I had with three macrocarpa which were about to fall over,
you know, in a in a strong wind, and it
ruins a shed. Whose false thet yes?

Speaker 16 (57:57):
And who's paying for the shed?

Speaker 2 (57:59):
Yeah? Exactly, thank you.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
Angela. The stick said, oh my god, I thought you
guys were a couple of twats. Your attitude proves it.
You thought, well, then we still are. You've wasted a
lot of texts there. You guys are a couple of
tweets and move on. Why don't you just call all
the cut all the trees down? Who gives a toss
about some planker's view? The rich always get everything. The
tree will be there long after that selfish idiot is dead.

(58:20):
The tree did nothing wrong. We need trees and bees,
please not so much. Yeah, we definitely said cut down
all trees. That was the angle we were taking you,
genius of a texture, concrete the whole world.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
That was the argument.

Speaker 3 (58:35):
We're having concrete everything. No trees. Trees never did anything
for anyone.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
You hit the nail on the head, teakes down, Yeah,
wiping all out, and we've got no more. The trees
have had their time and it's time to get rid
of them.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
We were talking about, you know, trees ruining people's views.
It was a planket kill all tree. When it comes
to humans versus trees, then I think the human comes first.

Speaker 10 (58:58):
Is that so.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
Controversial on the property that you own, on a property
that you're paid for. You know, I'm not talking about
walking down the street and poisoning oaks down every you know,
leafy suburb you go down to, But a tree on
your property go for gold. And also I agree with bees.
We do need bees.

Speaker 3 (59:11):
I love bees.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
Yeah, be you've got a big fan of bees. Yeah,
love the beast.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
But yeah, I will harden my opinion. Now from that text,
I say all trees must go.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
Right, Do you agree with Matt.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
It's like old man's beard must go, old man's bed
must go.

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mac to matt Ethan Tyna Adams.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
Thank you very much, Ralent. It is twenty five two
three and we're talking about the protected status of trees
around New Zealand. This is on the back of a
Takapuna man who was fined twenty one thousand dollars for
trimming to protect a bahutakawa trees. One was on his
property and one was towering over his property. So do
you think the laws go too far when it comes
to the protection of trees on your own property? And

(01:01:19):
you should be allowed to trim them up, give them
a haircut to yourself without getting the council involved.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
The sex it says humans first? What therein lies the
problem with our planet? Selfish, greedy humans love Carol excellent,
But who would be first? Who do you want to
be first over humans? What do you like more than humans?
Humans are all your friends and family and loved ones,
and the people that are produced art and built your

(01:01:44):
cities and clean your streets and.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
General a lot. And I assume Carol, you're a human yourself.
I mean you might be a botica. I don't know,
but you sound like a human.

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
That doesn't mean that the humans can't look after other
parts of it. But everything has to be human first,
they'd be insane, particularly like go and tell a cheetah
to be not cheata first.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
Yeah, they look up themselves.

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
Yeah, how do you stick up for the rich? Says
this text that they deserve nothing but our hatred. Take
away their tree, take away their property as well. Evil bustard. Wow, okay,
so you don't know anything about this person except for
that their view was blocked by a perhoda kawa and
that they trimmed it back. And on the back of that,

(01:02:30):
they're an evil bastard.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
There's some deep, deep seated anger. There's some deep seated anger.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
Hey, guys, isn't it interesting how discussions of trees can
be morphed into envy of wealth status and displays of
tall poppy syndrome? Just shows the environmentalists are usually socialists.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
From Tim, Yeah, we've seen a lot of that via text.

Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
Good on you, Matt. I don't always agree with you,
but I am certainly on your side over the trees.
Thanks Grant.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
Yeah, good on you, Grant. Dino you had a bit
of a situation with big trees.

Speaker 8 (01:02:57):
Yeah. Hey, boys, First of all, I love the show
I'm looking to it more and more, Natalie, and I'm
enjoying this tree.

Speaker 9 (01:03:07):
Month ago and all of that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
Sorry, mate, you go with the big.

Speaker 8 (01:03:11):
Storms we had about a month ago. I was living
in the Company Coast and we've moved since, but just
prior to moving, we had this massive storm and we
had these five blue gum trees on the property next
door that was obviously nobody had lived on that premises
for over five years or even longer, and the trees

(01:03:31):
and the whole garden has always just been overgrown. But
on the night of the storm, one massive tree actually
felled straight across over our double garage, pinning of only
van underneath and damaging so much of us property.

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
Wow.

Speaker 8 (01:03:49):
About two weeks later we actually made the news. We
had our little news crew come over the next day,
and boy, what a saga with insurances trying to and
phoning the local company council, chying to just bring it
to the attention of what's happened, and they just basically
wipe their hands, Keen saying that they don't really want
to get into the dispute. It's more like an act
of God. And I was just more saying it's actually

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is a fine line between the act of guide and negligence,
because those cheese have caused numerous damages to power lines.
It's damaged the same garage, and you think that the
council would actually have the ability to phone the owners
of the premises and bring it to their attention saying
that they've actually got trees that are actually dangerous. Luckily

(01:04:31):
nobody was in the garage when that happens, So yeah,
it was a juicy one.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
That is a juicy one.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
Yeah, yeah, because I mean, trees are beautiful things and
we love them, but they're huge, heavy bits of wood
and when they come down, they cause an incredible amount
of damage, don't they humans fear?

Speaker 8 (01:04:50):
Yeah, And one last saga. As a result of all
of this, my insurance premiums have gone up. Monthly fees
have gone up, and I've actually explained to him that
I don't actually know the third party so and they said, well,
they kind of you need it until I know these
owners are and the council doesn't want to give the information.
So it's just a weird one.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
Do you think a part of it, Dino is in Look,
I get some of the reasons why their protection status
for some trees exists not on individual properties but outside
on public land. But do you think a part of it,
you know, looking at the cost people have to incur
if they want to, you know, trim the bush for
the view or whatever it has to make it more
safe in your circumstances. It's just a way to clip
the ticket. It's just what it seems again and again

(01:05:33):
and again. You've got to go through and get a
resource concent and that costs thousands sometimes and then you've
got to get in a council approved arborous to do
the work. It just starts becoming a bit of a
you know, a bit of a racket. Would you agree
with that?

Speaker 8 (01:05:46):
Yeah, I do agree with that. And the funny thing
the ibras that I actually because of the landlords, if
we were renting during the particulars, be time to try
and do anything. Our vehicle is stuck over almost three
weeks under the support this commotion and bottom line has
they just said that they can't do anything. And the

(01:06:07):
ibras said, well, in order for them to get a
further quote, regardless of removing the tree, but just to
do like an assessment on the remaining trees, and how
dangerous that would be that would cost me another five
hundred dollars, So why do I have to pay anything?
Surely the council has professionals that can come out and
doing an assessment and force the exactly. Yeah, yeah, anyway,

(01:06:31):
I do like trees though, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:06:33):
Yeah, we'll like we love trees, but I just think
we love them. We love them when they're not falling
on our garages and smashing everything up.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
Exactly do I thank you, mate? Hi, Matt and.

Speaker 3 (01:06:44):
Tyler, trees are good, but do you we really need
them to grow over three meters in the town. Some
of the newer subdivisions do not allow them any higher
than that, says Jan. Hi, guys, I think you might
have covered it. But infuriates me that we have a
building by laws that protect your daylight, restricting how high
and how close one may build next to a boundary.

(01:07:04):
But then I have neighbors come along plant a five
meter high hedge on my northern boundary and there seems
to be no redress. She's oh, so true. We treat
trees so differently from structures.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
Yeah. So yeah, it's such a loophole that if you
want to build up your fence, you can't do it
with wood. But if you put a bit of trellis
and a huge up there, no worries. Yeah, good, good
to go. Oh one hundred and eighty. Ten eighty is
the number to cool. Plenty of teas coming through as well.
We'll get to a fear those shortly. It is eighteen
to three.

Speaker 3 (01:07:32):
Oh my god, this so many texts coming through. I
think I'm going to be I might need a protection detail.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
Yeah, the tree brigade is going to be looking for
you after the show.

Speaker 3 (01:07:40):
The trees are coming from me. Interesting enough, my son's
reading Day of the Triffids right at the moment. Okay,
the classic book.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
It would live in a simulation.

Speaker 3 (01:07:48):
Maybe the trees will come for me beg soon.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.
It'd be it's a.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Quarter to three. So have we gone too far with
protected status of trees on your own property? Should you
be allowed to give them a haircut or certainly trim
some prune some branches on a perhoda kara if you
want to without getting the council involved. O. W. One
hundred and eight ten eighties number.

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
To call this six says Hi, guys, the protection of
perhodakwa trees on cliff tops is becoming a major issue.
They grow too large and heavy and in big weather
events they pull the entire sections of the cliff down
with them. Just look at the perhuda kado sitting at
the bottom of most cliffs. We need to stop protecting
these trees as there are so many of them. Yeah,
they've got quite shallow root systems, don't they, because we

(01:08:35):
always look at them and go, well, that's probably holding
the bankup. Yeah, that might not actually be the case. Hey, guys,
I completely agree with you. Councils are way too over
the top. It's really good for the tree to give
it a good trim, native or rot. Beg your pardon,
I mixed donna. That's coming back on me.

Speaker 12 (01:08:51):
Cast.

Speaker 3 (01:08:52):
But while you really brought the crazies out today, loll
and how about this one. I love a crazy tech.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
This is going to be a dooozy.

Speaker 3 (01:09:01):
We don't like the rich because they steal from us.
That person has a view on my back. That's why
I still working. Why work and pay taxes when they
go to the rich so they can buy beachfront front
properties and break the rules. What this person's still the
rich breaking into people's houses and still front That person

(01:09:21):
has a view on my back, not of your back.
On your back, I guess that means a view. So
they're trying to say that the person's view is on
the back of their hard.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
Work, right, Okay, not a view on their back.

Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
You know that's why I stop working? Why work and
pay taxes? When they go to the rich so they
can buy beachfront properties. I think you find the rich
pay quite a lot of tax. Yeah, the wealthy pay
quite a lot of tax, and they've worked pretty hard
for you know, those properties with the view.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
And you must be in a pretty good position if
you can stop working. Yeah, sounds like that. If you
can just stood life, mate, enjoy it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
If you can just stop working and not staff to death,
then you might be doing better than you think. But
thank you for your text. Ah, I knew the trees
would come from me. Here they are this text come
through all right? I knew the trees would turn on me. Yep,
I am a Perherda kawas who's this texter sapling? Life
was tolerable, But since my bark hardened and roots sprawled

(01:10:13):
into my neighbor's concrete drain. Life has been nothing but
continual agony, centuries of unfathomable suffering.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
Please kill me, Okay, that that is a bhoote in distress.
They didn't quite come for you, I think of anything.
They're just saying, give us, give us some mercy.

Speaker 3 (01:10:31):
Plus strangely on my side, welcome the.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
Show, Bob, ohy, good eye Koday. What's your story?

Speaker 25 (01:10:38):
Yeah. Look, I'm living in the Rrepreneur area. I'm ninety
two years old and I've been in this house. I
bought it twenty one years ago. And it's on the
corner section and only three hundred and twenty meter seation.
Se No, it's small, and there was I've got a
cowry tree and a remoot tree at one hundred over

(01:11:00):
one hundred years old, and and I can't do anything
about it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:07):
And are they are they missing with your life, Bob?
They're making them God.

Speaker 25 (01:11:13):
Yeah, I've had the counsel here and I thought I
was getting progress, but and they finally and I got
an arborus to see that. I've got a big ash
felt path in front of them, you know. And the
lady the roofs were looked in up the ashpelt and
the lady had an accident. So a month later, a
big gang's a right and they dug it down about

(01:11:36):
eighteen inches and chopped all the big roots, three big
routes along the footpath on my boundary and filled it
up and put a concrete path in the middle. And
they should have got resource to consent. They're supposed to
get resource consent before they can touch my tree. And

(01:11:57):
actually it's from the trunk of the tree to my
guttery and it's only nine feet so it overhangs my house.

Speaker 3 (01:12:06):
So what would you like to happen with this?

Speaker 12 (01:12:10):
I love the trees, yeah.

Speaker 25 (01:12:11):
But they're not They should be on a big section
like in the Yeah local back and I said, well,
I've never let them get chopped down for fire, because
you know, it's the shame. I said, I'd like to
donate that big the bish, specially the big cherry. Donate
it to a training school in Chaupo, which I saw

(01:12:32):
on the Into net Ones and they the older Mary
teach the younger Mary to do the cabnge, you know.
But I went to the local Mary here and they
weren't interested.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
At all right, Well, good luck with that, Bob. Sounds
like quite a complete situation, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:12:50):
Well, I mean, so is the the thriving and so,
for want of a better word, happiness of the Cody
and the remove more important than the thriving and happiness
of Bob and his missus.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
According to the Council, I think it is one hundred
and eighty ten eighties and number to call get a John.

Speaker 9 (01:13:09):
Yeah today, guys, love your show.

Speaker 3 (01:13:11):
Thanks.

Speaker 9 (01:13:13):
I live in christ Church on a street called seven
Oaks Drive. Yeah, so you know why it's called seven oaks.
We've got seven large oaks and Marketer Street's got the
seven oaks and the rest of us have all got
what have got cofi trees.

Speaker 7 (01:13:32):
You know.

Speaker 9 (01:13:33):
And mine's really bad, like the winds must have affected
it over the years and minds of the smallest and
mangiest of all the COFIs. And I've talked at a
councilors that looks really bad, you know. And the limb
has come off here and I've accident accidentally guys knocked
into a limb, and the council came out and said,

(01:13:54):
I've still got a couple of years to go, and
I'm going, well, can I replace it with a new one,
you know, and no flexibility there at all. It looks
really bad too. And I'm thinking, at what point did
I go com sense, you know, the guy that wants
to put a nice a new five which probably take
about ten years to catch up with the others. But

(01:14:17):
the choice of some of the trees they use on
the front, you know, I mean realistically that they're not
they're not the best choice, whether they're a native or not,
you know, And I think the council needs to look
at that in a bit more objective perspective. Really, that's
just what I need to say.

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
Yeah, it sounds like there's a very rigid tree policy
going on. Yeah, yeah, there's no flexibility with it, right.
Keep those calls coming through on eight hundred and eighty
ten eighteen if you want to send a text. Nine
two ninety two is that number?

Speaker 3 (01:14:51):
Craig is bringing reason to proceedings. Hi, guys, I don't
think it's so black and white. It's nice to have
established trees around to keep our surrounding looking nice, et cetera.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
I agree.

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
I would have thought you'd know before you bought the
house that the tree and the property is protected. On
the flip side, it can be over the top. If
the trees trimming, they should be forced to get an
arborus to do the job. Yeah, but it's your tree
on your property. Just I say, get a change through
out and.

Speaker 5 (01:15:15):
Go for it.

Speaker 10 (01:15:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
What do you say? Do you agree? Have you done it?

Speaker 3 (01:15:18):
And you shouldn't be protecting trees that block people's views. Yeah,
come down, they're the enemy.

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
Give them me here again. It is eight to three.

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
Be very surely the issues that affect you, and a.

Speaker 1 (01:15:30):
Bit of fun along the way. Matt Heathen Taylor Adams
Afternoons NEWSTALKSB.

Speaker 2 (01:15:36):
News Talks B. It is five to three. Man, there's
one hundreds, probably thousands of deeps that have come through.

Speaker 3 (01:15:43):
The human v tree debate is really blowing up, and
somehow there's a side anti rich person. There's a lot
of side topic that's coming through. I think that's the
people that spending a lot of time on TikTok, the
ones that they're starting to think like that tree wars
are real. We have a house with a view and
neighbor had a very tall olive that was increasingly blocking
our view. We asked nicely that they trim it several

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times they're refused. We've got a legal letter written. Their
response was to plant a full hedge of rapidly growing
trees to further block ourvue. We had the option to
go further with legal but instead we did nothing. Their
trees overpowered house and we're at risk to a house
in a storm. But sorry, just got to open this text.
It's quite long, but appreciate it. We moved heaven and

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earth to buy their house, and now we have removed
the trees and have our view back and a rent property.
But really, the law should be clear, like your German caller,
to make these matters easier for people. I'm a tree
lover and I agree with protection for certain trees, but
the law should be clear and it should be flair fear.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
It should be a bit of flair.

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
Should be clear and flair.

Speaker 16 (01:16:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:49):
Yeah, Well, there's so many takes coming through and cool thousands.
Shall we keep this going a little bit?

Speaker 2 (01:16:55):
Absolutely?

Speaker 17 (01:16:55):
Yep?

Speaker 3 (01:16:56):
Which o, guys, My mother in law was told she
could not cut down the natives that she planted herself
twenty years earlier.

Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
How about this one, just quickly, just chop the bastares down.
I've never seen the council. Make you put them back up,
all right, keep them coming through on a one hundred
and eighteen eighty ninety two ninety two. But we are
going to take a few more calls on this because
so many people want to have their say. That is
coming up after New Sport and weather which is on
its way. Listen to Matt and Tyler hobe you having
a great Thursday afternoonday. Oh aren't you?

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
I need you?

Speaker 6 (01:17:28):
Oh God, ah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:31):
Need it is beautiful, thes it Oh, lot of the
big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talk said.

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
Be very good afternoon here, welcome back into the show.
At is seven past three, so we are going to
carry on just for a short while our discussion about
protected trees in New Zealand. This is after a takapoona
man was fined twenty one thousand dollars for trimming illegally.
The council says, a couple of the hooter cars.

Speaker 3 (01:18:04):
So do you think that the way we look at
things that to tree first, human later?

Speaker 4 (01:18:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
Do you think that one hundred and eighty ten eighty
nine to nine to Its turn out to be quite
a controversial chat, certainly as there's a lot of people
that put trees over humans. Listen to this from Linda.
Cheers for your text, Linda, I appreciate it. Hey, I
would like to remind you of the place of humans
and the hierarchy of life without trees. The earth dies
without humans, the earth thrives. Yeah, but for a start,

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we're only talking about whether you can trim back your
bhodakara or on your beachfront view. Not the eradication of
all trees that we're We're.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
Not talking about it all of them. That would be foolish,
that would be a hard work.

Speaker 3 (01:18:41):
I love a tree. I love a tree. I love
you know. I run up Mount Eten and I look
out over the beautiful green city. I love all the trees.
It looks like a forest city from up there, yep,
looking out west. Love incredible it is. It's incredible. But
if there were no humans and the world was thriving

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without humans, the earth thrives. Who cares? If the earth
thrives without humans, If there's no humans, then there's no
one to behold what's happening on the earth.

Speaker 12 (01:19:08):
Ye.

Speaker 3 (01:19:09):
The dinosaurs rule the earth for I'm going to say
one hundred and eighty million years, But there was no
being to admire sunrises, to write poetry Tyler Yes, to
make movies like the like Hail.

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
Mary Project Hail Mary, to debate whether so we put
trees ahead of humans.

Speaker 3 (01:19:30):
So without humans, then the whole process is just insects
eating other insects. Sun comes up, some comes down. There's
no one, No one cares.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
Yeah, it's kind of a moot point because we're not here.
We're not here to think about that anymore. We've got
we're out of the equation.

Speaker 3 (01:19:42):
There's no one to perceive it. So somewhere in the
middle between being able to trim your bahooda kawa such
as you can see the sea from your house and
humans still existing there, there's probably some kind of middle
ground we can find there. Shane, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 12 (01:20:00):
Yeah good, hell, yeah good.

Speaker 13 (01:20:03):
We had a tree that grew that was planted prior
to Tis buying the house, and the neighbors on both
sides were already there. The tree was in the corner.

Speaker 26 (01:20:16):
As it started to grow, we thought we'd better off trimmer.
It wasn't a native and I have no idea what
type of tree. It was a nice tree. Our neighbors
came out who you know, retired and had to guard
us for trimming the tree because it was the only
thing that currently was given them privacy from their backyard

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to us. So we thought, oh, well, we won't, we
won't from the tree. As it grew up, they complained
to us about not trimming the tree. So we tromed
the tree.

Speaker 13 (01:20:50):
And then they came out and complained about us trimming
the tree tree because now there's no privacy. And then
they were getting ready to go to ever retirement village.

Speaker 26 (01:20:59):
They used their backdrop of their garden that they used
the back garden as their beach of photo to help
market the house.

Speaker 13 (01:21:07):
And he was the back drum of that photo.

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
So they, Yeah, are they chronically just chronically dissatisfied?

Speaker 3 (01:21:19):
Aren't they? Those neighbors.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
It's very hard to please obviously, so that somehow the
tree was there. Oh, I think the neighbors are just
trying to cut you off right now, Shane, there's just
a problem with your phone.

Speaker 3 (01:21:33):
Check a tree.

Speaker 26 (01:21:34):
Yeah, came out and they had a down the street
was part of the reason they the backyard.

Speaker 3 (01:21:45):
This this has been a very contentious tree. Shane, it
scors you a lot of problems.

Speaker 2 (01:21:53):
Oh we're just lost, shame, what a bugger, But yeah,
sorry you had to deal with that. I'm sure it
would have been a happy day when they moved into
a time that night. By the sounds of it, a
couple of teas coming through on nine two nine two?
Did I read this one?

Speaker 3 (01:22:05):
There's somebody coming through? Oh damn, oh it disappeared. Your
view of just cut it down horrified me. Takes years
and years for a tree to grow and takes just
hours to end its life. Also, what's wrong with Lefty's ideas?
Tyler says stupid things Sometimes. I'm a conservative capitalist but
very conscious of environmental issues. Trimming trees, yes, but not
to kill them.

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
Yeah, I think I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:22:27):
I think in ingest sarcastically at one point, to emphasize
the ridiculousness of what someone has said, I jokingly said
that I was supporting cutting down all trees and conquerting
the whole world.

Speaker 9 (01:22:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:22:41):
I just want to make clear now that was never
a real suggestion.

Speaker 2 (01:22:43):
It was tongue in cheap people.

Speaker 3 (01:22:45):
There's not enough concrete to do.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
That, and there's a hell of a lot of trees. Ah,
it will take you.

Speaker 3 (01:22:50):
A long time, take you a long time to concrete
you know, national park simply what?

Speaker 8 (01:22:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:22:57):
And can I just say yes? I say stupid things often, but.

Speaker 3 (01:23:00):
Yes, yeah, Hi guys, this conversation is enlightening. I planted
a remove about five years ago on the back corner
of our seat. But I'm thinking this might be more
trouble than it's worth. I allowed to cut it, am
I allowed to cut it down?

Speaker 1 (01:23:14):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:23:14):
It's about three meters tall? Chiers, Greg, So that's because
that's someone else. Say they planted some natives twenty years ago.
I'm not sure exactly where it was in the country,
but now they're told they're not allowed to cut them down.

Speaker 2 (01:23:25):
Yeah, so that's so.

Speaker 3 (01:23:26):
Do you just have to plant rubbish trees that no
one cares about, not natives? Yeap, so no one sticks
up for them.

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
If they become a pain in the ars, you can
get rid of them. Yeah, it seems to be the way.
Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call.
We'll get to a few more of your calls very shortly.
It is twelve past three. News talks'd be it is
a quarter past three, so I have protection rules over
tree's gone too far. One hundred and eighty ten eighties number.
Get a frank, Hey, how are you chaps? Good mate?

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What's your story?

Speaker 15 (01:23:55):
Well, a bit of a background. We've got a very
large berhod car on our property and it extends down
the foot path both ways probably fifteen meters and extends
out over the roads. And it's one of a number
of trees in our area and they really are beautiful.
We've been there for thirty years. I've really noticed even
now and then one disappears and over that time it

(01:24:18):
is a shame you do see them disappearing, which I
think is a great shame. So should you be able
to trim them, absolutely, but they need to be done correctly.
If you do them wrong, you'll if you cut the
tops off, they just turn into the giant hedge, which
doesn't help anybody. If you thin them out then you
can still see through the things to you vie or
anything else. And so we have our sort of taken

(01:24:40):
care of probably once every couple of years, and they
just tied up the dead wood and things, which is
just getting two out of hand and it looks great.

Speaker 3 (01:24:49):
How big did you say, right? Did you say how
big it was? Roughly?

Speaker 1 (01:24:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (01:24:54):
Yeah, it goes from our property extends about fifteen meters
along the footpath in both directions.

Speaker 19 (01:25:00):
Wow.

Speaker 15 (01:25:00):
And yeah, it's a big, big tree. It's probably I
don't know how it would be, but maybe one hundred
and fifty years old.

Speaker 14 (01:25:07):
Wow.

Speaker 15 (01:25:07):
So you know, while you know we've had problem trees,
this isn't one of them. I mean, we kind of
feel that we're kind of custodians of it really because
we won't be there forever. And if someone's on the
in their house and they don't like the tree and
they cut it down, they might move next week and
then it's gone. So I think there's a you know,

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there are cases where they should be fell for obvious reasons,
where they've become dangerous, but that really needs to be
by a resource consent and you should be able to
trim them. But again, you really want to have an
arbus to do.

Speaker 3 (01:25:43):
That, even if the treat So the tree obviously makes
you happy, Frank, it sounds like a beautiful tree. Congratulations
on that. It's lovely, I mean, but if it wasn't
making you happy, say it was causing you problems on
your property. Do you think that you should have the
right to chop it down if it's making your life
miserable on your property?

Speaker 15 (01:26:04):
Well, I can tell you it's a pain took after
believe beautiful, but they're very, very messy. They're messy, but
it is beautiful. So we are quite happy to put
up with that, and all of our neighbors really appreciate it,
and the wider public appreciate the nature of the area.
So no, I wouldn't like the automatic right to fell it. Certainly,

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it should always be a resource consent to get rid
of it, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:26:31):
Because even if you planted it yourself.

Speaker 15 (01:26:35):
I think it's different if you've planted it yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:26:38):
Because you wanted did you say one hundred and fifty years?

Speaker 15 (01:26:41):
I think it's probably about one hundred and fifty years.
It's a beautiful tree, you know, And I mean if
you plant a young one and someone just mentioned the
remove tree, get rid of it early, because they do.
They do get to a point where where you no
longer have control of it, and councilors get involved, and
that can be really onerous, no question about that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:01):
What was that a mind frame? She counsels meet people
in the middle. If there's a tree on your property
and it's protected and it's been there for some time.
Because there's part of the problem, right, is that it's
very expensive to go through that process. Surely, if their
rules are saying it should be protected, they should come
to the party and say we'll help you pay for
an homorust.

Speaker 15 (01:27:19):
Well, well they should, and that should be a more
streamline process than it is. I mean, we also had
an enormous oak trey on the site, which gave us
a lot of problems. We had a brunch through the
roof and a storm and trying to be convince the
council that it should be proved, and in fact then
fell because it was actually rotten.

Speaker 9 (01:27:41):
Was a nightmare.

Speaker 15 (01:27:42):
It costs us a lot of money and a lot
of time, a lot of stress to get rid of that,
and that should never have happened. You know, the council
should have been much more helpful and proactive in that circumstance.
So yeah, look, it really depends on the tree and
its location and everything else. You know, A it's just
not a straightforward yes no kind of argument, if you

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know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:28:03):
Good on your frank and congratulations on your big beautiful berhoots.
Sounds like a sounds like a real, a real heritage tree.
So good on your Frank. I've got some friends that
have had a batch, right, yep, they have a batch.
They were extending the batch, making the batch bigger, bat
show going stack quite a lot.

Speaker 13 (01:28:23):
Nice.

Speaker 3 (01:28:23):
But there was a Perhuda Carwa tree right behind the batch. Okay,
so they've built their batch around the tree. That's cool,
so that the batch goes right around the tree. And
then when you're sitting on this deck that's in the
middle of the batch, it's got the pod has grown
up through it and the trees come out over the batch.

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
That is epic. What a great idea.

Speaker 3 (01:28:42):
But it just keeps growing and growing, so you know,
it's they're powerful. You know, a tree will destroy a
house pretty quickly over enough time. Yeah, pretty quickly over
enough time. So not pretty quickly over time, so they're
constantly having to sort of, you know, peer it back.
That'd be an interesting one if someone tried to say
that that Perhoda Carver tree was protected because it would

(01:29:05):
eventually completely consume the house. But yeah, you know, people
love it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
Bahoots, they do taking more of your calls on O
one hundred and eighty ten eighty. We will be back
very shortly. It is twenty one past three.

Speaker 1 (01:29:20):
Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams. Afternoons call OH eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on used talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (01:29:25):
Twenty three past three. Plenty of text coming through A
nine to ninety two years ago.

Speaker 3 (01:29:30):
My dad built a house overlooking the ocean. On the
boom in front was a bodkawa, an ugly, messy, dirty
old bahoots. And one day he got out the chainsaw.
He was an old farmer and he cut it down.
By the time the local Greenies arrived with threats of prosecution,
it was on the trailer in pieces.

Speaker 2 (01:29:46):
All he said was you're too late. It's some man
of action right there.

Speaker 3 (01:29:51):
This this is a controversial text, all right. This will
put a cat a monks, the cato monks. The Bhodakas
native trees are rubbish, Oh dear, says this text. Oh dear,
they are basically weeds. The oak trees and the like
the British boat are far more beautiful. It seems as

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seemed to be treated as an inferior in New Zealand
and not protected shot fire shot. It was Bob Bob Jones,
who wrote about native trees once rop Bob Jones. He
said they were dowdy boring, dowdy boring, same colored operators.

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
I miss him.

Speaker 3 (01:30:31):
He was so good when they you can't say that
Peruka around Christmas time is dowdy beautiful?

Speaker 2 (01:30:36):
Yeah, absolutely, steady, Corfi corfy beautiful. Steve, welcome for the
showy you do good mates. You got a story about
big trees?

Speaker 12 (01:30:47):
Oh, I got a bit three or four of them
on my coppery, and they're getting bigger and bigger and bigger,
and basically we're going back last two thous and eight,
I noticed to storm the gum tree which is on once,
there's probably been the roots under the gun on the
driveway have been shipping the whole driveway sideways into the dirt.
You can see the little witness don't. So I've got

(01:31:09):
to cancel it. And I said, what's the what's the
story on trim and trees? And they went, oh, anything
bigger than fifty millimeters you needed resource content and fifty
million branches. And I was like, but bigger ones and
that come down in storms. It's we're are the trees.
I said, I'm not telling you probably more than a
listeners protected anyway, because I've got a big oak on
one side, massive opens acuminate. Its probably just on the

(01:31:31):
gaunthering big silver dog at the front, I'm talking like massive,
and another one on the side, and a pine tree
at the back. So it's this year gotten out of
and there. Anyway, Basically, a few months later we had
a big storm and it was like March two thousand
and eight. There's a couple of branches off the silver
Dollar came down I'm talking like twelve fifteen inches diameter
branches and basically took the neighbors power line out. Didn't

(01:31:52):
stay up it, but pulled it out of the patient
board on the house and all the power call came
out from dropped down core but didn't disconnect it. So
I felt pretty sorry for them about that, but you know,
you know, counsel wouldn't let me touch it. Basically, and
then June, yes, only a couple months later, and what.

Speaker 3 (01:32:08):
Are the cons saying?

Speaker 2 (01:32:09):
What do the councils say when so you're a protein
about it?

Speaker 12 (01:32:12):
That's I mean, counsel and helpful are an oxymoron. They
don't get hand at hand. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're not
really functional sort of operations. They're just need to take
money from us and exercise the little women, tiny little
you know, powerful Idaho sort of mentalities, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:32:34):
And oh yeah, I think often if you've got a
problem and you ring the council, then your problem becomes
much bigger all of a sudden.

Speaker 3 (01:32:40):
Yeah, typical.

Speaker 12 (01:32:42):
Yeah. And at the end of the day, mate, is
that what it comes down to is that you think
about this, is that Chelsea is supposed to be dere
to help organize our infrastructure and stuff. Although does waste
truck leads money Like I'm in the super city water
aren't absolutely cough, you know, the water bells and everything
out Like I'm paying four times as much as I
was when it was an nortial city council and because

(01:33:03):
we were rated on land value only, not capital value.
When we're making a theory everybody, and by the way,
ferra means more expensive because when they're bringing these road
us to charges the figure it's costing us more about
thirty four dollars thousand toments or even just a petrol car.
We've been ripped off. They're just looking at the money
everywhere they can because they just can't run efficiently crazy anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:33:28):
They glad you can get that off your chest. A
few gripes from Steve, which I think fair enough, you know,
but a lot of people have those gripes, you know,
and you.

Speaker 3 (01:33:34):
Steve, Yeah, thanks for calling. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
So we've got to Bernard.

Speaker 2 (01:33:37):
Yeah, let's have a chat to Bernard.

Speaker 3 (01:33:39):
Get a Bernard, how are your mate get a house? Things?

Speaker 17 (01:33:43):
Listen, there's a couple of spins on all of this,
and I think you've got most of it right. But
there's a difference between native and exotic, is the first
point I want to make out. Okay, so if it's native,
you've got to take this. If it's exotic, you can
basically do what you like with it. The next point

(01:34:06):
is that the problem with the tree thing, and I
think you're you're basically right, But the thing that really
annoys me is that when subdivisions go and they just
completely annihilate everything that's there, and I don't think they
should be allowed to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:34:26):
You mean in terms of trees and stuff.

Speaker 17 (01:34:30):
In terms of trees, I think that if there's a
stand of native trees and there's a subdivision going in
then that stand of native trees should be protected. And
so you know, there's a real balance between all of this,
And most of your discussion is about her to Kara.

Speaker 3 (01:34:54):
Seems to be, doesn't it.

Speaker 17 (01:34:56):
Yeah, And it seems to be, you know, but then again,
if you buy a property and you've got a hundred
year old carry on it, then you've got to a
duty to protect the one hundred year old cowry. And
so you know, there's there's a balance between.

Speaker 4 (01:35:17):
All of this.

Speaker 17 (01:35:18):
We've we've got a ten acre block here in the
West Coast, and eight acres of that is native bush
and two acres of it is grassland and our garden nice.
But in the ten years that we've been here, almost

(01:35:38):
every other block around us has been destroyed and is
all being turned into mining and now is all turned
into dairy, right, And you see, I just don't agree
with that, So just take it back.

Speaker 3 (01:35:54):
It is way too aggressive, right, Yeah, But to take
it back to the original discussion, which was about trimming
your trees for your view.

Speaker 17 (01:36:04):
If there's a tree you can still you can.

Speaker 3 (01:36:07):
Still love a hundred year old tree, been trim.

Speaker 17 (01:36:09):
It, okay, And so we're professional gardeners and if the
branches of the trio over the boundary line of the
property that you're servicing, then you can trim them back
to the boundary line.

Speaker 3 (01:36:26):
Yeah, well that makes sense because you're invading someone else's space.

Speaker 17 (01:36:29):
Property space. And if the tree is on your property,
and if it's not Tea did, then you can do
what you like with it. But you've got to be
really careful because what happens is that you say, well,
this native tree is on my property and it's affecting me,

(01:36:51):
and then the neighbors say, well, yeah, but tough. Then
you've got yourself an issue.

Speaker 2 (01:36:58):
But what do the neighbors have more? You know, they
got more say of the tree on your probably than
you do. Bernatt, if you want to trim it, I'm
not saying killing the tree.

Speaker 17 (01:37:08):
Tree, I mean that's very rare. I mean, you know,
you had a guy on there that had a three
hundred square meet at property with one hundred year old
carry on it. He knew that that tree was there,
so he's got a right of protection. Really, I don't

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agree that he can just chop it down at the ground.
If he didn't like the cowry when he bought the property,
he shouldn't have bought the prophecy.

Speaker 3 (01:37:38):
Yeah, but what if he really wants to live there
and it's perfect for his family in the schools he
wants his kids to go to, and it's where he
wants his life. It's close to his work when it
comes down to it, and this is the only house
he can afford or that fits all those things. Shouldn't
they shouldn't the hopes and dreams of the human take
precedent over the hopes and dreams of the tree.

Speaker 17 (01:38:00):
No, I don't think so, honestly. I think in that situation,
and that what he was talking about with the cowry
and the remoo and there's three hundred square meter povhacy
and him buying that house, he knew that they were there,
they were established, and I believe that they were an
integratul part of his prophecy.

Speaker 2 (01:38:22):
All right, Bernard, thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (01:38:24):
Thank you for your care. It's good luck with your property.
It sounds beautiful down there.

Speaker 2 (01:38:26):
The cody over Bob. I think Bernard was saying, do
you agree? Oh, eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is
that number? Nine two nine two is the texts?

Speaker 3 (01:38:33):
I can't believe how controversial it is to say that
humans should come before trees, says, the texts. The trees
have no thoughts, hopes, dreams, loved ones. All they do
is grow. If you hate humans so much that you
think a tree's happiness comes first, you have drifted far
from the path.

Speaker 2 (01:38:49):
That's a good text there. Yeah, you very much.

Speaker 3 (01:38:51):
The sex says, listen to you rich bastards laughing the
textor who blames the rich? Why should he work when
the rich have so much? But laugh laugh, laugh, laugh, laugh, laugh,
you rich bustards.

Speaker 2 (01:39:01):
I'm not a rich bastard, but I'll laugh, I will laugh.
Don't worry about that. It's good for you.

Speaker 3 (01:39:05):
You're a middle class bastard.

Speaker 2 (01:39:07):
Thank you mate.

Speaker 24 (01:39:08):
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Speaker 2 (01:40:34):
Thank you very much, Ray Lean. So we are talking
about protected tree status in New Zealand's.

Speaker 3 (01:40:39):
Yeah, absolutely, should the happiness of the human become come
before the tree when it comes to views and such
now in the election. It is a powerful question. After
a guy got in trouble for trimming aby hoots to
improve his view, the sexer says, we will die if
the trees go. You idiot, No trees, no oxygen. So

(01:41:01):
you plan to get rid of all the trees? That
is so dumb. A couple of points on this. Firstly,
I don't plan to get rid of all the trees. Also,
I wouldn't be able to know even if I wanted to.

Speaker 2 (01:41:10):
It's a a possible task for one man.

Speaker 3 (01:41:12):
I was making a joke and I said, we should
concrete the whole world and replace all the trees. But
I will push back because eighty percent of oxygen comes
from plankton in the ocean. Right, Okay, only only about
twenty percent comes from the trees.

Speaker 2 (01:41:24):
Big fan of plankton.

Speaker 3 (01:41:25):
So if I do get my way texture of conqureting
the entire world of trees, we would still get eighty
percent of the oxygen from the plankton.

Speaker 2 (01:41:34):
Nicely said mate has some good research, right, yeah, A
couple of texts gathered through a nineteen ninet two.

Speaker 3 (01:41:39):
Guys, there needs to be some more clarity here. Accountsil websites,
which trees are listed. There's no blanket rule that all
native trees are protected just because they're native. Anything you've
planted yourself generally won't be protected native or not.

Speaker 2 (01:41:52):
Che Sean, Okay, good to know, Alex. How are you hi?

Speaker 10 (01:41:58):
Well?

Speaker 19 (01:41:58):
That guy's just hit on the point I was about
to make. I'm listening to all these stories about people
having trouble bringing down trees on their own properties, and
I'm puzzled. I'm wondering ago this all happened because my
neighbors across the road brought down there for hutaka or recently,
no problem at all, because, as far as I'm aware,
the RMA was changed about fifteen years ago. It completely

(01:42:21):
swapped the onus of being able to bring down trees
from needing permission to bring down everything over a certain
height to you don't need permission to bring down anything
unless it is a scheduled tree that has been assessed
and is marked on your local plan. Now I went
through the unitary plan process an orphant here, That's how

(01:42:43):
come I know about this?

Speaker 17 (01:42:45):
Look, as far as I'm aware.

Speaker 19 (01:42:47):
That is, those are the rules that apply. I mean,
I know other people have had lots of stories about
you know, branches overhanging the fence and neighbors being uncooperative
about blocking their view and such. But my understanding, like
my neighbors across the road, native tree whatever on your land,

(01:43:10):
not in a scheduled tree on the plans, no problem
bringing it down. So I'm pretty sure that's the law
in this correctly.

Speaker 3 (01:43:19):
In this particular case that's starting the story, it was
a protected tree, I understand. Okay, yeah, no, no, that's
all right. We've been going on about a long time
and it's weaved and growing. It's growing like an out
of control pod car. With this particular conversation into other areas,
some of them silly. But do you think that too
many trees? I mean, I guess the next question on

(01:43:41):
that is do you think too many trees are protected?

Speaker 7 (01:43:44):
Well?

Speaker 19 (01:43:45):
I remember when the law changed, the public was given
three weeks to get their act together, get in their cars,
drive all over Auckland and try and note down trees
they thought should be scheduled and get in their submissions.
How many do you think made it into the plan?

Speaker 17 (01:44:05):
Not a lot.

Speaker 19 (01:44:06):
And the only other point I'd like to make before
I get off the air is that in an intensifying
city as Auckland is, you know, building up and smaller
sections and whatnot. Trees are actually an incredibly important part
of the urban environment because they reduce heat apart from

(01:44:29):
the oxygen shade, I mean, they are extremely important and mental.

Speaker 3 (01:44:35):
Health as well. Alex done, they've done all these studies
if you spend more time, you know, around branches and
looking up at trees. They're not one hundred percent sure why.
They think it's probably because we evolved around nature and
outside that that people are much happier if there's trees around,
then they aren't.

Speaker 19 (01:44:54):
And the thing about Auckland is that the Tree Council,
I think they must have used Google Earth to do it,
have noted that since the rema was changed those fifteen
years ago, we have lost a staggering forty percent into
Auckland's urban canopy, which is a hell of a lot
of tree.

Speaker 3 (01:45:14):
Whereabouts have they gone? Because because I'm up mountained in
quite a lot of saying before looking out over the city,
looking out towards the white tackers, and it just looks
I just think it looks incredibly beautiful as you're looking
out there, all the trees, and I haven't seen much
of it disappear.

Speaker 19 (01:45:29):
But here's the point. Anytime people Billy knew or the
big old sections are subdivided and two dwellings are put on.
As your mate said before, the first thing they do
is remove all the vegetation and all the trees. It
is happening a lot all around Auckland. So anyway, have had.

Speaker 3 (01:45:51):
Some horrific townhouse. Yeah, hey, thanks so much. We call Alex.
You're a great communicator. You put across your thoughts and
your information so succinctly. It was very impressive. So thank
you for that.

Speaker 19 (01:46:06):
Oh, thank you, thank you very much. Must have made
a difference.

Speaker 2 (01:46:09):
Ah, I could tell this, you smelt it out. There
was a professional on the line.

Speaker 23 (01:46:13):
I knew it.

Speaker 2 (01:46:15):
Okay, guys, great to chat with you. Thank you very much.
I'll just had to look at that map Alex was
talking about. Anyone can go see. It turns out there's
a protected tree on our property that we're renting to
remoos Remoo right there, name Remoot. So I'm gonna have
to look after that.

Speaker 3 (01:46:31):
I'm gonna have to go and ring bark it.

Speaker 2 (01:46:33):
I'm going to have to do something.

Speaker 3 (01:46:37):
Why don't you test it for the good of this
show and what we're trying to say here, so we're
not just eerie fairy conversation that we actually test what
we're talking about. Why don't you chop that tree down
tonight and see what happens.

Speaker 2 (01:46:54):
I'll think about that, mate, right, keep those calls coming
through A one hundred and eighty ten eight four.

Speaker 1 (01:47:00):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's Mad Heath and Taylor Adams
Afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:47:09):
Fourteen to four.

Speaker 3 (01:47:11):
Trees have been around forever. Their flowers are beautiful and
should be protected. Unlike you met, your soul and face
are ugly. A couple of points, and that trees haven't
been around forever. I think trees have been around for
about four hundred and fifty million years, so they haven't
even been around for as long as sharks have been around, right,
and flowering trees just to be pedantic, flowers have only

(01:47:32):
been around four not that long. Flowers are surprisingly new
addition to the world. How long I think off the
top of my head, I look it up, but I
think flowers have been around about one hundred and thirty
million years. One hundred and forty no more than one
hundred and fifty million years.

Speaker 2 (01:47:49):
Jeez, being on you've done your research, mate, I just
quickly look that up. So flowering plants appeared to first
appeared one hundred and thirty million.

Speaker 3 (01:47:56):
Years with to Q garden once and read all the
little plarks in London. But yeah, so so just a
little pushback on that. Flowers have I mean, trees have
not been around forever. They haven't been around as long
as sharks. Their flowers have been around even less amount
of time. Flowers are easily new thing. Yeah, the dinosaurs
went hanging around with flowering trees.

Speaker 2 (01:48:17):
Good to know had us some good research.

Speaker 3 (01:48:19):
And your soul and face are ugly well my mum,
Thanks on Hanson.

Speaker 2 (01:48:22):
Your face is mediocre, mates, so don't let anyone tell
the otherwise. Thanks mate, Alex, Hi, how you were doing
boys yet? Thanks Bud.

Speaker 4 (01:48:31):
Look, hopefully I can be as succinct as your previous
Alex was. Yeah, and also we're getting back to what
one of your previous callers said about council and helpful
not being worthy of being in the same sentence. We
live on a street in only Hunger that has career
trees down one end and magnolia trees up the other side,

(01:48:55):
and four blocks and they yeah, it looks lovely, but
they grow and they grow and they grow, and they
are now all too big. And so we've got a
big career right outside the front of our property and
it hangs over the fence. And of course when the
leaves come off, and you know is they dropped the
old leaf as the new leaf arrives. So you've got

(01:49:16):
this period of two or three months where the leaves
that fall and fall and fall, and they will fall
in our property, which is the pain in the back
side to extra clean it up all the time. So
I call the council and think I'm doing the right thing,
and I say, look, get somebody over. You come look
at this tree and get a trimmed. The guy comes
over and says, they're hanging over we're not trimming that.
And I said, well, it's hanging over my fence. I'm
allowed to trimmer. No, no, no, you're not allowed to

(01:49:38):
trim it. It's a council tree. You can't touch it,
even if it is overhanging your property. Wow, I mean,
where's the fairness in that? And then I said to him,
so what if Yeah, exactly, So what if I trimmered myself. Wow,
well we'll find you it could be up to thirty
thousand dollars. And I said really. And then a couple
of weeks later, my neighbor tells me that some council

(01:49:59):
blokes came around and they started they took photographs from
the tree.

Speaker 2 (01:50:02):
Oh my god, Oh my god. So you have you've.

Speaker 3 (01:50:07):
You've been dragged into the quagmire of.

Speaker 4 (01:50:09):
The the health or not in the same sentence, wow,
Because if you.

Speaker 3 (01:50:15):
Think about it, Alex, if someone was just dropping, like
you know, leaves are kind of not too different from newspaper,
but if someone was just leaning over your fence constantly
dropping rubbish into your yard, exactly, it's exactly the same thing,
pretty much, right.

Speaker 1 (01:50:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:50:28):
Yeah, Well what we do, we're clean up the leaves
and we go and dump it on their garden.

Speaker 2 (01:50:34):
Yeah. I mean, the moral of the story here is
never tell the council anything. Just do what you've got
to do. Do not pick up that phone, because they're
not going to help you.

Speaker 1 (01:50:42):
Well.

Speaker 4 (01:50:42):
Funnily enough, the neighbor did actually trim the three re
tree outside their property and quite quite severely and council
did come around and gave him a very stern talking
to and said don't do that again because we'll find you.

Speaker 1 (01:50:55):
But he got away with it.

Speaker 3 (01:50:56):
He didn't know right, I mean, how can a lesson
say that with a straight face that the person from
the council that said that to you, you can't.

Speaker 4 (01:51:06):
They send around a contractor who supposed to be an
arborist inverted commas and he tells you you know whether
it's going to be trimmed or not. He said, no, No,
that's the council. Tree hangs over your property. That's your problem.
We're not touching it.

Speaker 3 (01:51:18):
Wow. Well, I'll tell you what. That's a that's a
very annoying situation in But like the previous Alex, you
are a good communicator. I've got to say there was
extinct well good day, very well told story. Absolutely, Alex,
thank you for your call. Oh eight one hundred and eighty,
ten eighty is the number to call it. Nine two
ninety two is the text. It is ten to four
will be back surely.

Speaker 1 (01:51:38):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
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Speaker 2 (01:51:48):
News talks there be it is seven of four. So
many texts have come through over the past two hours.
So here is a couple. Now, guys, problem with it.
If you own it, you cut it. Idea is in
a city we only hold a property for about ten
or so years on average. It takes a very long
time to grow a big tree, but only a day
to cut them down. So as we all so uncle

(01:52:08):
through properties, even a small percentage of cutters will be
enough to cut down almost all the big trees, which
leads to a less happy city. And this one again
our guys, I've got an angry neighbor who has grown
trees over the year to block my seaview. I decided
to let it go. But my observation is bad luck
follows them around. There's karma. And this one says you

(01:52:30):
have to be careful with natives, particularly bohutakawa fringing coastal
cliff properties, as the trees actually do a really good
job of holding the cliff face up. That is contentious.
You cut these trees to improve your view, you potentially
do so at your own future peril. Also, exotic trees
don't have decent root systems and generally don't improve cliff
stability either.

Speaker 3 (01:52:51):
Right, So there's a bit of back and forth on
the poodacara and it's billy to hold up cliffs or not. Yeah,
and get a lot of it that my understanding is
they've got quite shallow roots.

Speaker 2 (01:53:00):
Yeah, because we talked about this not too long ago
where actually had a cliff expert on and said it's
a myth that bohodaca was a good at cliff stability.

Speaker 3 (01:53:09):
Did you read this one from Chris? For some time
I volunteerily supervised the Corrections work party, who, over a
two year period a day week planted eight thousand seedlings
natives and a council reserve previously purely stock grazing. Based
on a wing that some of the taller trees would
ultimately block a small part of the views of the
upper harbor from a periodically but infrequently used community hall.

(01:53:30):
The council got a mowing contractor to mow over one
hundred and one five hundred of the growing seedlings without
considering the option of replanting some of the recently planted seedlings. Wow,
the compulsory utilized corrections offenders were totally gutted, having taken
perhaps rare pride in their contribution periods of their community service,

(01:53:51):
that had proudly taken family to the reserve to show
them their achievement and enjoyed the facilities of the reserve.
Councils have a lot to answer for, constantly hands out
for money, but wasteful in the extreme of rates, disgraceful
in their response to community contributions. See so the discussion
we were talking about was who should come first, the
happiness of humans or trees or you know, human happiness

(01:54:12):
over the trimming of trees. Yes, this is an example
where the trimming of trees destroyed human happiness. Absolutely, it's
a complex one. But it's been a fantastic discussion. But
that it brings us the end of the show.

Speaker 1 (01:54:25):
That does.

Speaker 3 (01:54:25):
Thanks so much for listening, Thanks for your calls and text.
The Pool Homes Broadcaster of the Year Hither Duplissy Ellen
is up next and after five she has a former
Labor Prime minister on to have her go at Luxeon
and Peter's. But right now, Tyler, my good friend, why
am I playing this absolute banger from Leed Zepplin's debut
album from ninety and sixty nine?

Speaker 17 (01:54:46):
What a tune.

Speaker 2 (01:54:47):
Listen to that its cool communication breakdown it is?

Speaker 3 (01:54:51):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:54:52):
Was that about the communication breakdown of the Labor Party?

Speaker 3 (01:54:55):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:54:55):
Yes again?

Speaker 3 (01:54:58):
Yeah, well done.

Speaker 2 (01:54:59):
Congratulations June.

Speaker 3 (01:55:01):
All right, we'll be back live from midday tomorrow, so
please join us until then. Give me a taste of kili.
All right, then you've seen.

Speaker 1 (01:55:10):
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