Full Show Podcast: 30 June 2026

On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for The 30th of June 2026, there's fears that changes to rules around building warranties may driver smaller companies out of the industry.

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Speaker 2 (00:27):
Be very good afternoon to you. Welcome into Tuesday show.
Great to have your company and thank you very much
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doing very well? Thank you, Tyler Adams, Thank you everyone
for tuning in. One hundred and eighty ten eighties number
nine two nine two is the text number.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
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hear you, and can we just say it was nothing
to do with us. Somebody down in christ Church pressed
the wrong button. But I understand the text. Are onto it.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
This, this is an understanding text. Sort out your frigging
ads that have twice now played while you speak. It's
annoying and amateurish. As I enjoyed listening to you guys
for enough and sorry about that.

Speaker 4 (01:09):
Yeah, thank you, you enjoy listening to us.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
Yeah. I mean the thing about Newstoks'd be it's an
incredibly complex network across the entire nation with the Beast.
In Between twelve and one, you've got a different show
coming out of Dunedin, the country going into some areas,
there's us going at other areas, and then we all
come together at one o'clock for a nationwide meth Heath
and Tyler Adams afternoons. But takes a lot of coordination,

(01:32):
and every now and then just something happens and our
wonderful tech people solve it.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yep, a lot of moving parts. Absolutely, keep those tacks
coming through on nine two, nine to two. Hey, just
before you into the program, question for you and for
our listeners. I think I've found the perfect heck and
I want to know if anybody else does that. Because
I figured this out myself. There was no googling involved.
I just thought, hey, I think this is going to work.

Speaker 5 (01:51):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:52):
I hate ironing with a passion.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
I think it's one of the worst jobs anyone can
ever do, ironing shirts, and I have to.

Speaker 4 (01:57):
As you can see, this is pretty good today.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
Been a good job.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
It's not bad, ehout It's about ninety five percent increase free.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
Yeah, it's good man. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
So the heck is that I chuck the shirt it's dry,
into the dryer. Then I put a wet towel, just
a small towel that I've soaked in water. So put
the wet towel in there with the dry shirts and
then chuck it on for about forty five minutes. And
then by the time that forty five minutes is done,
all of the shirts crinkle free. It's like it gets

(02:28):
the steaming done in the dryer, but a bang bit
of boom. My ironing days are over.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
Wow, that's interesting. But you shouldn't put shirts through the dryer.
Why is it just because they it slowly destroys them.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
It does feel a bit tighter than it did before
I put it in there.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
See what I do. Put a shirt through washing machine,
and then I hang it up on a hook. And
then you do some of the ironing already by stretching
your fingers down where the buttons are and where the
collars are and where the cuffs are, so it's kind
of on its way to being ironed. And then you
hang it up on a coat hanger. And when I
say me, I mean my partner Tracy does this, but

(03:07):
I've seen to do it, and then the shirts are
much easier for her to iron.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
It's actually not a bad hack. I mean, this is
feeling a little bit square, a little bit tighter. And
Andrews says, it feels tighter because of my toasted sandwiches.

Speaker 4 (03:21):
How dere you, Andrew, how dear you truth in that?

Speaker 3 (03:24):
But you know what are you doing? But so have
you not ironed that on top of the.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Lack of ironing, just chucked in the old wet towel
and butter boom. And it wasn't just this shirt, all
of them, my whole week's worth of shirt ironing done
and dusted.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
Come on, if this is true, and look, I'd have
to take your word for it, but if this is true,
then this is a game change.

Speaker 4 (03:46):
I'm going to pattern this. Yeah, I'm just going to
sell wet toaels online.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
Pattern it you mean turn it into a pattern or
patent patent? Yeah, yeah, yeah, So clearly my business is
starting not strong nine ninety two if you've heard of
that hack, but it seems to have worked pretty well.
Pretty I am impressed.

Speaker 4 (04:02):
Thank you, mate, thank you. That's hard work.

Speaker 6 (04:04):
But I do.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
Worry that if you're putting your shirts through the wash
it dryer, that they're not going to have a very
long life as a formal shirt. And I think that's
a fair criticis so they will get beaten to pieces.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
We'll see how we go with that.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Right on to today's topic right now, So we want
to have a chat about some big changes coming to
a liability for builders. So this new requirement to cover
defects for a year after completing some residential builds and renovations,
builders say could push them out of the market. So
these changes to the Building Act would also introduce proportionate liability,
so that means the Council and the builders would share

(04:38):
responsibility for any defects. As it stands now, the Council
carries the bulk of the risk and the reforms include
a one year warranty for new homes up to three
stories and renovations over one hundred thousand dollars. There's been
a survey done by the Combined Building Suppliers Cooperative. They
look after a lot of builders around the country and
they found most small builders are worried about the cost.
Two thirds said they may not be able to afford

(04:59):
the required insurance, and a third thirty percent said they
would stop residential building all together without it.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
Thirty percent, right, well, hundred eighty ten eighty. What do
you think about this? Some are saying this is exactly
what I'm known as need, right, that we need builders
to stand behind their work. Who better, who better to
back the work than the people that actually do it?
And what an incentive to do good work. Yeah, But
the other side, as you say, it may mean that

(05:28):
there's few builders who can afford to operate, and so
it might end up with just the big dogs, big
dogs doing anything. I mean, if you're just some you're
just a builder, and you've got a couple of guys
working with you, maybe an intern, maybe you can't assure
this this warranty insurance.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
What do you say, oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty.
If you're a builder, if you're in the industry, does
this make sense to you? Or do you agree with
a lot of the smaller firms that it will just
push them out of the business and make everything more expensive.
Nine two ninety two is the text number as well.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
There's so much add on your ee, there's a lot
of feedback coming through on nine two ninety two, Tyler,
have you checked out the linked collection that out of
your fabric after washing, Take straight out of the washing machine,
flatten out and hang up steam it if needed. I'm
a rag trader, Carolyn. If you check the lint, that
is how much has been removed from your clothes every
time you put it through the dryer.

Speaker 4 (06:21):
I'm cleaning that bad boy at every time.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
You idiots, just hang the shirt in or near a
steamy shower. Come on, guys, says Ellen.

Speaker 4 (06:27):
Does that work?

Speaker 3 (06:29):
Yeah, yeah, we kind of manti agree. Oh sorry, can
you please, oh can you please tell us about that
shirt ironing hack?

Speaker 4 (06:41):
Very quickly?

Speaker 2 (06:41):
So you take all your dry shirts that haven't been
iron chuck them in the dry I put it on
for forty five minutes with the wet towel.

Speaker 4 (06:47):
But a bean, but a boom. Your ironing days are over,
says I.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
Right, and this test says only the weak iron their
shirts wear them as God intended. But anyone that this
is a side issue, we're not actually talking about that issue.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yeah, forget the dryer and let's eatually talk about these
new building regulations. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call and if you want to
send a text, nine two ninety two is that number.
And there's plenty of fee back coming through on this.
It is thirteen past one.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between.

Speaker 7 (07:17):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams. Afternoons US talks, they'd.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
Be sixteen past one. So we're talking about changes to builders'
liability after building residential homes and renovations over one hundred
thousand dollars. The new law would mean the liability is
shared between council and builders. As it stands now, it
was traditionally the last one standing, which was typically the
council that carried that liability for defects. But some builders

(07:41):
say it's going to push them out of the market.
What do you say, oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty,
get a.

Speaker 4 (07:45):
Ivan, good mate? Now are you not too bad? So
you've been a builder for forty six years?

Speaker 8 (07:53):
Yeah, I've been well since I left school year so
forty six years ago. I kicked off and been in
an office there for twenty six years.

Speaker 9 (08:01):
Yep.

Speaker 8 (08:02):
Because as you get a bit older, you don't believe
as well as you could.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
Well, you're a good and to chat to Ivan. So
what do you think about these new changes.

Speaker 8 (08:12):
I don't understand the greater conversation. All I understand is
all of us effectively a customer of something, whether we're
buying or getting a house built altered. We do all
that type of work, and for the last twenty six
years as a company owner, we have professional indemnity, we
have a liability and pretty much every job we do

(08:35):
is also covered by the Master Bill guarantee. Now, you
guys are old enough to understand that a warranty is
only as good as the person that's written it or
the way it's written. It's always open to interpretation. But again,
put ourselves in the consumer space and think, well, I
buy a car, something goes wrong with it, It's got
a warranty. What do I expect I expect it to

(08:56):
be fixed? Now, who pays for the warranty? It's me
as the guy that bought or person that bought the car,
isn't it It's not free, So somebody somewhere is paying
for it. So to have thirty the scent, I think
the figure was a builder saying it might put them
out at a business. I don't understand the logic, they
don't pay for their insurance cost. It's a cost of

(09:17):
doing business, and a cost of doing business as past
the client. But the real issue is getting the warranty
acted upon, getting the item that's faulty replaced, prepared, defected,
whatever it might be. I don't understand the logic if
a builder goes out of business other parts of the

(09:39):
world has to carry the duration of was warranty paired
through insurance? Well they have to, I'll say, he but
they have to. So again, the insurance are still there
and the client, of my belief, is paid for it.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
But if you add another cost on top of the
client to the client, then I guess the argument is
you'll get less business. So when you're quoting, if you
have to add this in, then that's you know, that
might be the difference between someone doing it and not
doing it.

Speaker 8 (10:09):
Yeah, no, I don't. I don't agree because again, if
I'm doing work, which we've done for twenty six years,
every single job is covered by one the master bill guarantee,
love it all over it. It's there. So if a
builder fails, the job will be completed. There'll be a delay,
there'll be some arguing. Eventually, the job will get finished
if the two parties are willing to actually work on it,

(10:30):
being master builder and the client. So that's a really
good protection because if I wait, as a master builder
fix the house, master builders will fix it for the
client and I'll be deleted as a member because I'm
not of the right quality belong to that club.

Speaker 4 (10:46):
What does it cost to be a part of that?

Speaker 2 (10:47):
What does it cost to be a part of the
master builders over because it seems to be a lot
of the challenges is coming from the small guys, either
independent operators or fewer than five guys. So I take
it that's an added cost to be signed up to
the master build guarantee.

Speaker 8 (11:02):
Yeah, there is a cost. I mean, I speak for
myself as a so called volume builder that does a
reasonable amount of work. Five grand a year to be
a member, and then each individual contract that we take
out will range between probably as low as twenty two
hundred bucks up to maybe five grand max. Depending on
the value of work that I'm doing. But that those

(11:24):
two costs guys go into my one guarantee cost goes
into what i'd call the job cost. It's a cost
of doing that job. Let's say for you two clouts,
that's the guy. So for you two guys. But the
cost of my membership as an overhead in my business,
to which you get the privilege of paying for as well.
I don't actually pay for my membership, not for your guarantee.

(11:48):
You're paying for every portion of it. So go back
to what I said earlier. So then the issue is
if I don't fix a problem in the defect period,
then basically I'm ripping yours. So the enforcement of the guarantee,
which is where insurance companies don't do it. They might
sue somebody for a Counsels, as you said in your intro,

(12:11):
are the last man standing. But that's when everything else fails.
But who pays for counsels, isn't it rate payers?

Speaker 4 (12:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (12:22):
Correct, a portion of clients paying for that. The council's
sort of got to be there because things go wrong
when you're building. On occasion, they go restically wrong. Lecky
Holmes is a good example of that, and we all
know that's still not even partially solved.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
But when you go to that situation, the argument is
that the councils have become incredibly risk averse because they
are being forced to take on the liability for what
builders are doing right, so that the problem, one of
the main problems they're trying to solve, is how long

(13:04):
it takes to get you know, approval to go ahead.

Speaker 10 (13:07):
Right.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
So if you move it off the council and the
council's much quicker to we'll give consent much easily than
they currently are now. And the problems with consent with
the council is what's causing huge amounts problems for builders
to just get started and get the job done. Lead alone.
If you're you know you're bringing a builder in, that's

(13:32):
the biggest battle. It's a huge battle before you even
start with the council.

Speaker 8 (13:37):
Yeah, I think you're partially in my view. Listen, this
is again coming from twenty six years in business, in
forty six years swinging a hammer and a pen. I
don't think that's fair. Actually, I think the process of
obtaining a building consent is quite fair and just used
to length. The time of twenty working days is a
fictitious one, is too long. There are private certifies entering

(14:01):
the market here in Canterbury. We've got a fantastic one
that can do. They can produce a building consent and
basically less time than the council take to reduce two invoices.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
M Well, having just been through it, I found that
the most punishing part of it.

Speaker 4 (14:17):
The consenting Yeah, yeah, trying to get it signed off, or.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
Just because you you know you're trying to book when
things are going to start and you know the builder
is ready to go, but they've got other jobs coming up.
You've got to you've got to coordinate with the council,
and there's there's no idea how long they'll take.

Speaker 4 (14:31):
There's no hurry on their behalf though March.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
I'll give you the number of working days, but then
they'll pause that so they can pause the number of
working days and restart it, which means that it's it's
much more than that. Did he call us clowns?

Speaker 4 (14:44):
He did roll it back, he said, you guys in
the end.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
Well, well, why did he call us a clown muppets? Yeah,
just in the middle of a friendly chat. I even
goes you clowns.

Speaker 4 (14:54):
He did pull it back, though.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
I guess I forgive them.

Speaker 4 (14:57):
I haven't teach you very much for your call.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
Seemed unnecessary, hurt my feelings of it was in the
middle of the conversation goes to you clowns. I was like,
shall I shall I? Shall I insult him back? Or
shall I le let them continue? So what I did
is hung up on him and discuss it here.

Speaker 4 (15:11):
Yeah, very good? All right?

Speaker 2 (15:13):
Do you agree with Ivan who called us clowns? Oh
eight hundred and ten eighty, it's a number to go in.
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Speaker 4 (16:05):
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Speaker 2 (16:06):
So change is coming for all builders to be required
to have a home defect warranty if they're building a
residential home up to three stories or renovations over one
hundred thousand dollars.

Speaker 4 (16:16):
So what will that mean for you?

Speaker 12 (16:17):
Tell us?

Speaker 3 (16:18):
So eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is a number
to call Nathan your thoughts on this?

Speaker 8 (16:22):
Yeah, good right, guys.

Speaker 5 (16:24):
So I'm been around a while, but I'm recently new
into the building trades, so I just took over a
franchise at the beginning of the year. And what we're
finding is that, you know, look, everyone wants better con
consumer protection and more for it, and I think all
builders are for it, but what we're finding is that
nobody wants to actually pay for it. Homeowners have helped

(16:46):
to fuel sort of a race to the bottom by
choosing the cheapest quote and that's what they'll go for.
They're very much price driven. So of course, in order
to achieve that, the first things that we cut our overheads,
like insurance and financial reserves. So what I'm saying is
stronger warranties are going to help improve certainty, but they
come at a cost. And if kiwis want reputable builders

(17:07):
with proper backing, and I think they need to accept
that they're going to have to pay more. You can't
have premium protection at a bargain at a bargain basement price. Yeah,
and I think we're doing a lot of comparison. I
see the articles based on Queensland, right, so we like
to compare to Australia. But the Australian trade is a

(17:28):
lot different to what it is over here with the
things like you know, the builder licensing and the insurances
and things like that, so you're not exactly apples for apples.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
So already, Nathan, there's you know, I'm just having a
look at the figures here from another story, So it
reckons about forty six percent of builders already offer one
of these warranties, whether it's Master Builders, the CBS or
I think Stanford Insurance Officer as well. So that is
what we're talking about, right, is just extending that from
the forty six percent of builders who are already signed
up to those to one hundred percent.

Speaker 5 (17:57):
Yeah, And look and we've got insurance and stuff that
goes with our work as well, right, so we're already insured,
We're already covered as things go wrong. We've got professional
indemnities for advice, liabilities and stuff for the work that
we do. But you know, the tradesmen that the builders,
we're having to pay for it. So that's got to
go into the pricing and if people want to, if

(18:19):
people don't want to, not want to pay the price,
then then of course we're going to start taking things out.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
So that survey that CBS did and we're going to
be having a chat to the chief executive CBS shortly
that's up to thirty percent to builders say they'll exit
the trade. Do you think that might just be a
bit of hot air.

Speaker 5 (18:39):
I would say so. Look, it's like it's like a
downturn in any market, right, You've got a lot of
guys that are coming in boom times, not just in
trades but across the board. So boom times people are
going to jump all over industries that are booming. But
when it starts getting tough, then those guys, but let
comes are going to be some of the first to
go right, and there's reasons why they are the first

(19:00):
to go. I'm not going to make disparaging comments on others,
but I think you can see where I'm going, Right,
those guys that, those guys that are unlikely to hang
around after a job, that are going to be the
ones that are going.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
So, if it applies to renovations over one hundred thousand dollars,
a lot of these small operators would would be operating
in less than one hundred thousand dollars renovations, wouldn't they, Nath.

Speaker 12 (19:24):
Well, they soon.

Speaker 5 (19:25):
He'd be surprised at how quickly it adds up. But yeah,
there's going to be a lot of players that are
under one hundred thousand dollar market admittedly, but yeah, it
doesn't take things. It doesn't take long for things to
add up. And that's without the warranties and insurance. Right
by the time you're paying for your labors and materials
and everything else, that's jacked up, and of course you've
got to pay for gas to get to the place. Yeah,

(19:46):
one hundred grand's going to disappear pretty quick.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
Yeah, I have noticed.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
Yeah, Yeah, you've lived and breeds a Mattah. Yeah, Nathan
thank you very much for your call mate.

Speaker 4 (19:55):
Very interesting, you're.

Speaker 5 (19:56):
Good enough to know nice one guys, thank you.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
Do you agree with Nathan? I wait one hundred and
eighty ten eighty So is this just part and parcel
of doing business as a builder. And coming up next
we are going to have a chat with Combined Building
Supplies Cooperative. HEIF executive Carl Taylor, who did this survey
that is coming up after the headlines with Wendy.

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Speaker 2 (21:26):
Thank you very much, Wendy Saw. We're talking about new
regulations coming through on warranties for home defects that will
affect most builders and operators out there very soon. To
chat further about this, we're joined by Carl Taylor. He
is the chief executive of the Combined Building Suppliers Cooperative.

Speaker 4 (21:42):
Carl, very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 9 (21:44):
Yeah, good afternoon, guys.

Speaker 4 (21:46):
How are we very good?

Speaker 3 (21:47):
How is this different from what we have now with
people being part of the Registered Mastered Builders Association.

Speaker 14 (21:53):
Carl, it's almost quite a different scheme, to be honest
with you, there's three current providers out there at the moment.
Obviously you've got Master certified in the Stanford, which are
three very good products when you look at them. The
problem we've got in the market is that there's not
enough competition, and so what I mean by that is

(22:16):
that there's not enough overseas insurers wanting to come to
New Zealand just because we're too small to be able
to offer what the government requires to meet MVY guidelines.

Speaker 9 (22:28):
To offer this product. So potentially it.

Speaker 14 (22:31):
Will lock out a lot of good operators in the market,
and that's where our concern comes from.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
Right, So is this proposed warranty system Is it likely
to protect homeowners or mainly increase compliance costs?

Speaker 9 (22:48):
Carl, Look, we've needed this for years.

Speaker 14 (22:52):
I think this has been a long time coming and
consumers absolutely need protection, there's no doubt about that. But
if we're going to roll something out as large as
this is, this is going to be the biggest fundamental
change this construction sector has ever seen. It needs to
be designed in such a way that it not only

(23:13):
looks after the big guys, but also looks after the
small guys as well, and that's where our concerns that.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
So, just running back to Master Builders, CBS and Stanford
you mentioned there, why wouldn't the builder sign up to
those warranties in the first place? What are the hurdles
there that Because as I understand, only forty six percent
of builders do that. I can't understand why every builder
wouldn't sign up to something like that.

Speaker 14 (23:35):
So across the three and that's a great question. Across
the three providers, you know, there's various entry criteria that
you've got to have. So you've got Master Builders good product,
Certified Builders good product and they're a membership driven product.
And then you've got Stanford, which is backed by a
private insurer. So two very different models. And not all

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operators or builders will be able to join the other organizations.
They may not be able to because they may may
not meet, you know, the financial requirements to do so.
So therefore bar left out in the cold.

Speaker 9 (24:11):
And I was listening to.

Speaker 14 (24:12):
One of your callers just prior and he talked about
the costs. The cost isn't the issue here at all.
The cost is just going to have to be passed on.
There's no doubt about that. Consumers need protection and it's
going to cost him. That's just the way it is.
But it's going to lock a lot of guys out
and they'll just close shop and not bother Right, So.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
Part of the rationality is to speed up consents.

Speaker 9 (24:33):
Right.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
Will this change you know, council delays and consenting or
will it just move the bottle necks somewhere else?

Speaker 14 (24:42):
Probably a couple of topics going on here. I think
changing their proportionate liability is a great thing. Obviously, when
there's a dispute, normally the last man standing as the
council because the builder might have folded up and gone
into liquidation, so he's gone. So what they're doing is
the shifting that and saying, you know, the builder might
be liable for X amount, the council will be liable

(25:05):
for another amount, and another subcontractor for another, making it
more fear in that regard.

Speaker 9 (25:12):
And that you know, that's only a good thing.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
I think just on the one hundred thousand dollars cap
for renovations, I mean, do you see some problems with
having that cap?

Speaker 4 (25:21):
Karl?

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Is there a potential that some of these builders that
they can't afford to get this warranty under the scheme
as it's written, will you know, have some shortcuts there
or try and do whatever they can to get it
under that one hundred thousand cap I.

Speaker 14 (25:34):
Think the devil will definitely be in the detail and
we get to see that. You know, one hundred thousand
dollars doesn't go far? Does in a bathroom and a
bedroom extension? It won't go far. Whether or not people
take shortcuts, I don't know. I suspect people will find
gray areas in order to keep operating.

Speaker 9 (25:54):
I don't know if they will or not, but they
probably won't yet.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
We're speaking to Carl Taylor Combined Building Suppliers Cooperative CE.
Now a lot of people are texting in what a
government backed warranty model like Queensland's work better in New Zealand.
Why hasn't that been considered.

Speaker 14 (26:12):
The government from stras Can I understand, did go to
Queensland have a discussion. You know, if you do, look
at our cousins over there. They've had that model going
for over thirty five years and it.

Speaker 9 (26:23):
Works really well.

Speaker 14 (26:25):
It's backed by the Queensland State Building Commission, so it's
got a decent bank balance for when something goes wrong.
But more importantly, it's administered by an insurance company.

Speaker 9 (26:37):
And I think that's where we would like to see
it again.

Speaker 14 (26:40):
We support the intent, but if we're going to roll
this out, it needs to be done over several years,
not twelve months like they're proposing. And we need to
keep talking to Australia and I think just copy what
they've done because it works, So why would you not?

Speaker 3 (26:56):
And what should happen to apprentices and new builders who
want to enter the residential market but cannot meet these
insurance thresholds. If this comes through, yeah, that's yeah.

Speaker 14 (27:08):
But the pathway for a young apprentice apprentice wanting to
come through is obviously quite concerning as well. And you know,
when you look at these young guys, they invest a
lot of time and their own money and their life
to want to become a builder. And if we make
it too hard for these young guys to come through,
then I just don't think they'll bother. Again, the intent

(27:29):
is correct, we've just got to get it right. And
the reason why we're speaking up now is that we're
better off to argue it and debate it now than
whether it's after it's been put into legislation, because there's
no one how it will change it once it comes through.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
Carl, really great to get your expertise and thoughts on
this one. Thank you very much for your time.

Speaker 9 (27:49):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 4 (27:50):
That is Carl Taylor.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
The Combined Building Supply is cooperative CE THO were the
guys that ran that survey that said thirty percent of
small builders. We're very concerned about this new warranty scheme.
So what do you say? O. One hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call? It is nineteen
to two.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
Matties Taylor Adams. Your calls on eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty, it's mad Heathen Taylor Adams.

Speaker 4 (28:12):
Afternoons news talks, they'd be sixteen to two.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
So some builders worried about new rules to cover defects
for a year after a completing residential builds will put
them out of the game.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
Can I just clear something out please? I don't mind
being called a client clown. I haven't called called us clowns. Yeah,
I quite enjoyed it. I just I was just really
asking you did he call us clowns? Did I hear
that wrong?

Speaker 2 (28:32):
It was done so subtly and so fast that it
kind of I mean, it's accurate.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
As sex It says he did call you two clowns.
I personally think you guys are the smartest and best
thing on radio, But I'm a bit of a clown,
says is text. Clown was a compliment. Guys. I always
tell people I listen to those afternoon clowns. Love the
Afternoon clown Show. Beautiful, keep it up and the six Sys.
You guys are clowns. That's why I tune in every
day to the clown show.

Speaker 4 (28:56):
Nothing wrong with the cloud, those seats come through.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
I love it. Other six says, Hey, guys, this is
from Jason. I've recently done consents in building through two councils,
Auckland and Queenstown. Auckland was an absolute horrific disaster of
an experience. Queenstown was an absolute dream. I've heard this.
The woman I was dealing with an Auckland council had
no logic, could not think outside the box. She made
us do things that had no logic. Even the architect,

(29:18):
builder and inspector was scratching their heads. Queen's found no problem,
absolute seamless process in Maine city. Auckland is a cluster.
I'm not gonna say that the next word there, Nathan,
welcome to show how are we very good?

Speaker 15 (29:34):
I thought comment you guys made was it with Ian
was pretty spot on in terms of with the consenting
the council has been too scared to make a reasonable decision.
We've found that to be absolutely the case, and I
think it stems from three years ago when they all

(29:54):
got audited. Some of them got slammed so hard that
they're so scared now to make a decision, whether it's
one that's reasonable or not. That that's why we go
around and around in circles, because at the end of
the day, the butt stops were them.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
It's interesting because you talk to people that have been
in the game for a very long time and you
know they you know, for the sake of their business
and everything, they want to do good work right. But
often you hear the consenting process they come in and
you've got someone that doesn't know the business at all
and isn't really qualified to even consent what they're doing.
And you add on top of that, as you say, Nathan,

(30:29):
that they're scared to make a mistake in the Council
as a whole, as an organization, is scared for the
liability and that causes a bit of bodomly would you.

Speaker 15 (30:38):
Say, absolutely? And I think what we need to think
about is, like, initially, the idea of counsels doing inspections
and checks on us builders is to make sure that
we don't miss anything. I mean, you're only human, and
if you miss affixing on a trust or what have you,
then it sort of is what it is. You're not
doing it maliciously ninety percent of the time, and so

(30:59):
they're there to check that it is being done to
the benefit of the builder and to the benefit of
the client. And to me, it means that that system
is based around working together as a team to provide
the ultimate outcome for the client. So why then not
share the liability?

Speaker 4 (31:18):
Yeah, it makes sense.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
I mean just on the Master Builder situation, Nathan, I
know they're not the only game in town for these
sort of products and warranties. First up, are you a
part of any of those those outfits?

Speaker 15 (31:28):
No, we're not.

Speaker 9 (31:30):
For us.

Speaker 15 (31:30):
That feels a little bit more cash gravy. In terms
of law, we're required to be liable for ten years anyway,
and then defects for the first year no matter what.
So like those are all in there anyway, and the
like the Master Builder program and stuff like that. I mean,

(31:51):
they do have sort of requirements to get in, but
we've found that to be fair, that they're more usable.
It's a more usable product. If you are getting into
strife and people are taking you to court, then you
have the backing of those companies.

Speaker 16 (32:09):
There with you.

Speaker 9 (32:10):
But we.

Speaker 15 (32:13):
Have a lot of clients that we work with often.
I say, we have like a set of three clients
that we've worked with for five plus years now and
do all their building work and very valuable to us,
and we know we're never going to go down that road.
But we've had products fail in the past for whatever
reason or paint coming off, something can at the end

(32:34):
of the day, we've worked with usually our suppliers and
then them with their who supplies them the product, and
it's been a product failure rather than anything like.

Speaker 17 (32:46):
Deeper than that.

Speaker 15 (32:47):
And it all seems to be very easy to fix
up and sort out.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
So what's for us? What size operation are you, Nathan?

Speaker 15 (32:55):
We're a reasonable size. We've got twelve guys on the
ground working in the White Shadow and we've just started
getting into bigger contractual stuff as well, so little business
has grownd quite a lot in the past six years.
But we're just don't know if there's just two guys
swinging hammers with a dream and here we are now, Well, if.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
You go back to two guys with hammers swinging a dream, whatever,
two guys with a dream swinging.

Speaker 9 (33:21):
A hammer, does it be careful? Be careful.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
But if you go back to that, then this is
those are the type people that were that you know,
it's been suggested we'd be hit the hardest with this
kind of situation. Can you see that that if you
don't have the time to deal with with it, or
you know, you're just you're just holding on, you don't
have the extra you know, resources to deal with problems.

(33:48):
If you've said on saying Nathan.

Speaker 15 (33:50):
I think I think the biggest thing is probably more
likely when you go in. The learning curve is so
steep to begin with anyway, and then this is just
another part, like another piece of the puzzle, right Like,
it's not like anything's becoming crazy. It just means that
initial step is potentially slightly bigger than when we started.

(34:13):
But you still have to have your insurances, you still
have to go through and get all your public liability
and everything sorted out, So like, all of these things
are there that need to be considered anyway, And potentially
your apprentice that's just gotten signed off and has dreams
of going out on his own and contracting back to
the guy that he did his time for or what

(34:33):
have you. Maybe it is a little bit harder now
and the outlayers forger to start with. But I mean
that's the reason why contractors paid a lot more than
wage workers, right, Like there's extra costs that they have
to cover themselves and things like that. And potentially it's
more about how good is the information out there readily

(34:53):
available for these guys that want to go and do
their own thing.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
How's business and what cattle at the moment? Things coming back?
You busy?

Speaker 15 (35:00):
Oh yeah, we're flat out. We've got adverts out for guys.
We're looking to pick up another couple of builders. Yeah,
trade meet is pretty hard work, to be fair, where
the mouse is definitely the best way to get guys
on board.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
What's the name of your operation, Nathan, We're built local,
Built local, all right, Okay, if you're a tippy out there,
you need some work. I'm just saying if you're a
chippy out there. Give Nathan a buzz as long as
you know what you do. Yeah, good minute, Nathan, Thank
you very much. He sounds like a great builder. Oh
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
So you've heard what Nathan need to say.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
He's not with Master Builders, but he said you've got
to have your liability and insurance knuckle down anyway if
you're a good operator. So is the system working good?

Speaker 4 (35:43):
The way it is? It is nine to two Matt.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on. Oh, eight hundred
and eighty eight. It's Matt Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
News Dogs B, News DOGSB. Six to two Leonards Afternoon.
We've only got about ninety seconds.

Speaker 4 (36:00):
You go for it.

Speaker 18 (36:02):
Basically, it already exists what they're talking about. So with
the Fear Trading Act to guarantees that and all this thing,
any builder doing any work for the first year, anything
that the owner calls a defect is a defect and
they have to fix it unless at their own cost,
they can prove that it's not a defect. So if
guys are saying, oh, this is going to ruin my

(36:22):
business I'm going to shut down. I was like, well,
that's that's already in force. It has been the years,
so it shouldn't make any difference.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
How often does a client say something is a defect
and it's not a defect and you get into a
punishing back and forth on it, Leonard?

Speaker 18 (36:37):
Well, probably quite often because people just don't realize what
legal entitlements have actually got, so it's easy for them
to get snowballed. And if you're unaware of something, most
people aren't running off to a lawyer because their kitchen
cabinets are looking a bit crooked, or think along those lines.

(36:58):
So yeah, but anything they're an owner, a homeowner has
any work done for the first year, anything they call
a defect is a defect only if.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
That builder stays. You know, it doesn't go into liquidation though,
isn't it Leonard?

Speaker 18 (37:10):
This is the this is well, this is the thing
you see because this is where you've got like the
limitation that So there's like multiple periods and that, but
with the ten year cut off one being the one
that most building companies are really worried about. But yeah,
in their first year, if the owner sees something, then
it's on the builder and if they if they try

(37:31):
and go and fold and go into liquidation, then it
just becomes a legal battle, and it's like yeah. So
usually usually assume that most building companies that are actually
building houses and things like that aren't going to necessarily
fall over than that sort of time frame.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
Leonard, thank you very much for your call. All Right,
very interesting.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
Well I'll tell you what it's like all things in
this area.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Incredibly complicated, it certainly is. And whether it's going to
make any difference to those small guys, I don't know.
There's clearly some pushes and challenges from the smaller operators,
but there's a lot going on the say.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
Matt, well, it always seems what happens in the end
is the client pace for it.

Speaker 4 (38:12):
Yep, exactly. Yeah, good discussion.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Thank you to all the chippies and the builders and
the homeowners that gave us a buzz on that. Coming
up after two o'clock whatever, chats about a question that
was put to a mental healthy expert.

Speaker 4 (38:24):
I'm going to talk about the song in a minute.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
So the question is my grandson mentioned he has anxiety.
In my day, we call that being nervous or having
butterflies before an exam?

Speaker 4 (38:33):
Can kids really get anxiety? Or is this now just
how young people talk these days? Here of a question,
so we're going to put that to you after two o'clock.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
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Speaker 4 (38:48):
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Speaker 1 (39:03):
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Speaker 7 (39:09):
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Speaker 1 (39:10):
Afternoons News Talk said, the.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
Very good afternoons. You welcome back into the shelters seven past.
Too great to have your company on this Tuesday afternoon.

Speaker 4 (39:21):
So let's have a discussion about this.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
So this was a question sent into a New Zealand
column on looking after your mental health. And here was
the question sent in. My grandson mentioned he had anxiety
in my day, we call that being nervous or having
butterflies before an exam. Can kids rarely get anxiety? Or
is this just how young people talk these days? And

(39:44):
the expert goes on to say, clearly it is an
increasing problem with more younger people thinking that they do
have quite severe mental health issues like anxiety. But that
balance between what is genuine medical anxiety and a bunch
of nervousness for a young person can arguably be quite
hard to determine.

Speaker 4 (40:04):
In twenty twenty.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
Six, Yeah, I mean this is this is quite a
complex question, isn't it? And there probably isn't an exact
answer for it. But our kids more anxious?

Speaker 6 (40:20):
Now?

Speaker 3 (40:20):
Are we just talking about it more? Would probably be
the best way to put it right. By calling common
nerves and butterflies anxiety. Are we manifesting it into manifesting
it into an actual condition? If a kid decides or
is told that they have a condition rather than just
a temporary and necessary emotion as nerves are, it's important,

(40:44):
as I say to my kids, you know when you
feel that, you know, being nervous and being excited are
kind of the same feelings. Theres your body giving you
the hormones and waking you up so you have the
resources to face something that's coming up, you know, you know.
But if you tell them that that feeling is a condition,

(41:05):
that they have anxiety, not that they're just not that
they're nervous, won't they look for symptoms of it and
lean into it and maybe not face the things they
need to face because the thing is, I'm not nervous
about this. I have anxiety, so I have a condition
which makes it harder for me to do things as

(41:26):
opposed to I'm nervous and my body's given me what
I need to do to achieve. And this is a
one off thing and will happen to not a lot
and it's and it's natural. Yeah, I mean, because everyone's nervous,
it's right. I mean it's pretty nerve wracking. A lot
of the things we get kids to do, exams, just
going to school in the morning, yep, getting in a
car or getting on the bus and getting dropped off

(41:46):
and going into these corridors packed full of kids and
they're all the same age and all the stuff that's
going on. I mean, that's going to cause some nerves, right,
massive part of life though rightly rightly so, yeah, but
I think that. But part of the reason you go
to school is so you get resilient.

Speaker 4 (42:02):
Yeah, what do you say on this one?

Speaker 2 (42:03):
I wait, one hundred and eighty ten eighty do you
think kids are more anxious now or we're.

Speaker 4 (42:07):
Just using that word a lot more?

Speaker 2 (42:10):
And is there something about labeling it because that's the thing.
Right when you label it, and you allow kids to
label I have anxiety, then does that put them on
the downward spiral? You've kind of they've lost the mental
game at that point, rather than you say, as a parent,
as you mentioned, it's a bit of nervousness, and you
give them some tools to deal with that nervousness rather
than allow them to get caught up.

Speaker 4 (42:31):
In Because this is where it's tricky.

Speaker 13 (42:32):
Right.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
It's a good thing we're talking about mental health, absolutely,
one hundred percent, but the overuse of it in the
wrong context, I would argue, can be damaging for some kids.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
Well, yeah, if someone says they've got anxiety, and you think,
as a parent, now they've got the condition of anxiety,
so I'm not going to make them go and do
this thing. As it's shown, if you don't face your
fears and they grow, right, So, initially there was something
you were going to do, and then you didn't do
it because you've got anxiety, then that anxiety grows and

(43:01):
down the track it is something that is even harder
for you to do because you didn't face it. I mean,
how many times when you're a kid you'll you've I
don't think I ever called it anxiety, But you had
butterflies before you went to school, and then you did it,
and you felt proud because you'd gone and done it
and achieved it, and you can't quite remember afterwards with
all the feelings of satisfaction that you've done it. Yeah,
that you had butterflies before it, right.

Speaker 4 (43:23):
So true?

Speaker 3 (43:23):
Yeah, but you could have been told if you were
born now that that was anxiety and you've got a
condition and that's a reason not to go and run
the cross country or whatever it is.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
Yeah, what do you say, oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty,
So are kids more anxious now or are we using
a word like anxiety more and more? And if you're
a parent, how do you deal with that with your children?
Tell us I eight hundred eighty ten eighties at number
to call in nine two nine two is.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
A text your home of afternoon talk Matt Heathen, Taylor
Adams afternoons call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty us
talk said be.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
For a good afternoon. It is fourteen past two. So
do kids really have higher rates of anxiety than previous
generations or are we just using different words to discred
I have normal stress and nervousness.

Speaker 4 (44:10):
Tell us your thoughts. So one hundred and eighteen eighty.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
This text says anxiety and nerves are different things. One
doesn't become the other. You get nerves and you have anxiety.
I mean, you're begging the question we're asking there. What
we're what we're saying. What this article is saying is
if you tell someone who is just nervous about about
a particular thing they have to do, that they have anxiety,
then you can manifest anxiety in them, rather than saying

(44:36):
helping them deal with their nerves. So you're telling them
we've got a condition when they're what they actually just
have is an emotion about a particular event.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
Yes, nineteen ninety two is the text number. Rebecca, What
is your thoughts on this?

Speaker 17 (44:50):
I think it's absolutely over diagnosed. I work in the
education sector in a private school, and half the students
have medical legends, this and that and everything that we
have to take into account, and their parents are just
sending them to therapists and everything, and it's just such
an overdie ignosis at the moment.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
Do you think that it is? I mean, how can
I put this? If I was a child and I
didn't want to do something, and kids are clever, right,
that there is an advantage in leaning into the idea
of anxiety as opposed to doing the things that you
don't want to do. And I'm not saying this about
all children. I'm sure are absolutely positive that there is

(45:33):
real chronic anxiety in some children, right, and that's a
serious medical issue. But do you think that there are
some children that are gaming the system because we're all
got the you know, we're all so mental health focused.

Speaker 17 (45:45):
Now, Absolutely so many students with their medical reports saying
I need extra time for this, I need an extension
to that. Especially in the university sector as well. Half
the tense have got their lessons from their therapist saying, oh,
she can't hand this and she can't handle that. Especially
in the medical school sector. There's a lot of that
going around.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
So for someone that works in the industry, I mean,
how what do you see parents doing to deal with that?

Speaker 4 (46:13):
I imagine it's a mixed bag. But how can parents.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
Deal with that if they've got a kid that comes
to them and says, I'm feeling anxious and it's more
than just nervousness, I'm actually anxious because I read about
it online.

Speaker 4 (46:24):
I mean that's a tough thing for a parent to combat.

Speaker 17 (46:26):
Right, it is that you have to wonder what are
they anxious about. If they're anxious about an assignment, that's
dun They just need to help that kid works through that.
If their anxiety is going off the charts and they
need someone to assess it and not just diagnose them.

Speaker 3 (46:43):
Yeah, I mean you should be anxious and you're well
nervous before an exam. I mean, that's your body giving
you what you need to do the exam. You should
be nervous before difficult things. I think there's a reason
why that exists as a condition, so.

Speaker 17 (47:01):
Exactly, and you don't need to be over medicated that either.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
Yeah. But if you push back, So if you're a
if you're an educator and you say, nah, it's nerves,
you know hard enough, get involved. I mean that's that's
going to come back on you, isn't it. You know this.

Speaker 19 (47:17):
You can't say that.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
You can't say hard en up.

Speaker 9 (47:20):
Now.

Speaker 4 (47:21):
Parents used to be able to say that.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
You know, you mentioned facing your fears and you've got
to go to school in the first day and you're
feeling nervous, and that's a five year old at that stage,
but even later on my young teenage life eleven and twelve,
and Dad's saying, you've got to run cross country. Dad,
I don't want to do it. I'm nervous. Tough tough
pick is, you've got to do it. It's going to
be good for you.

Speaker 20 (47:36):
I think.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
You get out there and you run it, you do okay,
and you think, hellolujah. You know, thank god Dad pushed me.
And that inability to for you know, some people out
there and educators to do that arguably is detrimental to
that child, right, Rebecca, If they're not medically diagnosed with anxiety,
then that's going to do harm to that particular child.

Speaker 21 (47:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (47:56):
Absolutely, And if they can't face cross country, they can't
face anything. Can They can't face your exams, so they
can't face anything. And then suddenly you've got all these
medical letters coming in.

Speaker 8 (48:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
I mean that's a big part of it, right, because
your job as a parent is to create children that
are competent so they can face life. So that's the job.
So I mean, I was thinking about this the other day,
like I was going for a walk with my son
and we were talking about sports and the sports I
made them do, and we were just talking about why,
and it's because you want your kids to learn how

(48:30):
to deal with other kids, to face difficult things, you know,
learn sportsmanship, all that kind of stuff. And if you're
a parent, like you're giving up your saturdays and such
to put your kids into difficult situations to make them
more competent, that's the whole point. So if you suddenly
decide that your kids can't handle what, handle anything, then

(48:53):
that really should be the signal to put them in
more situations to test them so that they can become
competent because eventually they have to leave home and do
a bunch of things.

Speaker 4 (49:08):
Rebecca, your thoughts, Yeah, absolutely agree with that. Absolutely really
nice to have a chat with you. Thank you very
much for giving us a buzz.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
So do you think kids really have higher rates of
anxiety than previous generations or we're just over using those
particular words, And how do you prepare your kids to
face those challenges? If you're a parent right now, oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, what has changed in
previous generations?

Speaker 4 (49:29):
Rather than saying because I think we know a lot
more than we did in previous generations. So you know.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
I talk about my old dad and he was great
at pushing us hard, but there was no ifs and butts.
So if your kid is scared about doing something challenging,
how do you push them to do that?

Speaker 4 (49:44):
In today's age?

Speaker 3 (49:46):
Yeah, there's probably some middle ground between hard and up.

Speaker 4 (49:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
And someone doesn't want to run cross country and suddenly
they've got the condition of anxiety and they need to
go into therapy. There's probably a middle ground in between
this somewhere right, Yeah. Oh, eight one hundred eighty ten eighty.
Tell us where that middle ground is for you. It
is twenty past two.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on news Talk zby.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
Twenty two pass too. So, do kids really have higher
rates of anxiety than other generations or do you think
we are just using those words more that they're clinging
on to. It's on the back of a question to
a mental health expert in a New Zealand column about
a grandfather who was worried about his grandson saying he
had anxiety and questioning whether it was just nervousness before

(50:35):
and exams. So, how do you prepare your kids to
face challenges. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call in nineteen nine two is a text.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
The sex is Atel's friend played with ours. He was
doing everything our son was. He was playing crickets and
one day, on the morning of a game, they jumped
into the team WhatsApp and said he couldn't play that morning.
We thought he was sick and asked them. They said
he had anxiety and he never came back. The week
before he had bold and batted. Now he hardly leaves

(51:05):
the room. I feel like they made nerves into anxietyiety.
He's no longer even at school.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
Right, Okay, great text, keep them coming through. Lisa, how
are you this afternoon?

Speaker 22 (51:16):
Hey, good things, I've got anxiety. I have just talking
to you.

Speaker 10 (51:23):
I have just us.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
It's just old man and Tyler, you know, welcome and Lisa. Great?

Speaker 23 (51:31):
Have you here?

Speaker 5 (51:33):
I lost you.

Speaker 24 (51:34):
Guys a lot.

Speaker 22 (51:36):
Yeah, that's great.

Speaker 9 (51:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (51:40):
It's usually on the podcast though, because I can't handle
all the ads.

Speaker 15 (51:47):
For us.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
The ads pay for us.

Speaker 4 (51:50):
Lisa there with how I lived.

Speaker 22 (51:56):
Hey, lot, But I was making a coffee and I
turned it on in this conversation came up and you know,
I personally, my daughter suffered from anxiety right from the
word go, right from a baby. Right, that's out of
my control. And it was very difficult. Everything that we

(52:18):
did really really hard, like play center, school, going to
a dentist. Like I couldn't even get my child to
go to the dentist until she was six years old
and get immunized, sorry, ammunized.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
Yeah, and how would she stop you, Lisa?

Speaker 17 (52:47):
Oh, Look, we.

Speaker 22 (52:48):
Tried to go to the doctor many times, and it
was to the point that I would be holding her
down and there's two people We're holding you down trying
to do it, and I'm like, stop, we can't do this,
And yeah, it was hard. So in the end we
got someone that would go to rural properties and come

(53:08):
out and see you at your house, and we had
to do it like that because of its just she
was such an anxious child.

Speaker 25 (53:17):
But yes, yes, some kids are.

Speaker 22 (53:21):
Born like that, some people are like that, and I
feel like, yes, they're maybe a bit of over diagnosis
of the people, but well.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
There's no doubt that there's a real condition. There's a
real condition there.

Speaker 22 (53:34):
And absolutely and every step of the way everything that's happened,
like schooling, was very difficult. Yeah, just really really hard.
But you know they're as light at the end of
the tunnel because she's a lot better now.

Speaker 10 (53:49):
I thank god.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
What what what led to her? What do you think
lead to getting what? What do you think led to
her improvement? Lisa?

Speaker 22 (53:58):
She just had to push herself all through life. It's
very difficult. It's a long story. It's a real long story.
But she's She's done amazing things in her life and
I'm so proud of her. And she still suffers anxiety
today and she's twenty nine, you know, so it is

(54:21):
a real thing. But I do feel like I want
to say that I reckon there's a lot more mental
health and a lot more anxiety and kids and stuff.
But there's so much to do with it, you know,
like the social media thing and all that, but also food.
Oh my god, you know what's in a burger force

(54:43):
You'll be astounded. It's all the numbers and stuff that's
not even food.

Speaker 4 (54:50):
It's over information, isn't it. I think you know that.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
I know that's a small part of it, but it
does feel like kids are bombarded with so much information.
I never had as a kid, and I didn't need
to know and whether that you know that all that
various information, a lot of it absolute nonsense being pummeled
at them, you know, leads to a lot of kids
in that anxiety over things.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
I feel like I didn't know anything when I was
a kid. I was just I was just sort of
going and then that then there'd be a honk on
the horn and my dad would be like, we're going
to school, and I'd be dropped off. I didn't even
know subjects I had that day. I didn't know anything.

Speaker 4 (55:20):
It was a good life.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
And then I'd get home and all I knew was
that I wanted to have a sandwich, watch some cartoons.
I feel like I feel like I did was not
I was what's the opposite of being bombarded with information?
I had no information. I knew nothing. Ignorance is bliss,
and it was certainly I certainly wasn't worrying about the
state of the world. Lisa, Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 22 (55:41):
There's so much stuff young people stayed, for sure, But
you know, I'm in your ear at guys where you
went home and had a marmite sandwich, and you know,
these kids are going to McDonald's and having v drinks
and stuff that's not for kids and all this shit
in their bodies, what does your body do with it?
You know, we don't know what happens to our bodies.

(56:02):
Is that why there's more mental illness?

Speaker 3 (56:06):
Well, I mean there's I mean there's more in.

Speaker 22 (56:08):
Everything, which is great. And I don't think like backing
our day, you know, there was the odd person that
had sort of issues and stuff, but no one really
talked about it that much. I don't notice. It's more
everyone's talking about it now. It's a hard one, but
there are real anxiety out there for some people.

Speaker 3 (56:30):
Thank you for your call, Lisa, speaking of kids eating
strange stuff. Yes, this morning I got up all right,
and I made it. My sister's in the UK, so
I made a birthday cake for her birthday here nice
and we shot a little video and took some pictures
to send it out for her birthday and a couple
days and I know she won't be listening anyway. I

(56:51):
had this great idea actually that we take a picture
and then you can send it to England and it
gets printed there and put in a frame and sent
to it.

Speaker 6 (56:56):
Right.

Speaker 4 (56:56):
Brilliant, right, yep, fantastic.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
So I get up this morning and what's my son
having for breakfast at seven thirty am?

Speaker 4 (57:03):
Coli cake?

Speaker 3 (57:04):
He's having a quarter of the cake with milk for breakfast.

Speaker 4 (57:08):
See it's not on.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
He's picking candles out of it. Oh, my son, that
is not breakfast.

Speaker 4 (57:14):
Here is a growing boy.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
That is not a sanctioned breakfast that you have birthday cake?
Did he try and hide it when he got rubbled?

Speaker 13 (57:22):
No?

Speaker 3 (57:22):
No, what it's the same. It's the same son that
I've caught making full plate of nat shows for breakfast.
He's no concept of what you eat at different times
of the day.

Speaker 4 (57:35):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number two call.
So what do you think?

Speaker 2 (57:39):
Do you think anxiety is more of a problem with
young kids these days or there is a real issue with.

Speaker 4 (57:44):
Its over use and over diagnosis.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
Martin says, it's crazy. Every little thing has a name
now instead of get your bum out of bed and
face the day. Head on a bad day used to
be just that. But no, no, no, you must have
something to blame or someone to blame. It's maddening.

Speaker 4 (58:02):
Do you agree?

Speaker 2 (58:03):
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Speaker 4 (59:25):
Back to mash and Tyler, Thank you.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
Very much, Wendy. So do kids really have high rates
of anxiety than previous generations? So e one hundred and
eighty teen agers a.

Speaker 3 (59:33):
Number Matts is a Texter. Kids in the forty set
to worry about the war sixties it was nuclear apocalypse, drills,
worrying about the state of the world as a time
hod Or tradition. Yeah, we're told now that kids have
more to worry about. I think they don't. I think
they probably have less to worry about then and many
other times. I mean kids worrying about you know, climate
anxiety is one of the things mentioned in this article.

(59:53):
You know, compared to that to being born in the war.
And you know, if you're a kid growing up before
World War two or right even quite a long time
after World War two, there's a good chance you were
going to go to war because in all of history,
a ward been generally speaking twenty years.

Speaker 4 (01:00:07):
Away, right, YEA pretty full on a couple of decades,
but I.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
Think it just doesn't want to being shoved in your
face as much as it is now. I mean, everyone
has just all this information as we're talking to coming in.
So someone has a fight in Manhattan on the street.
Everyone's looking at that and thinking that there's just people
on the street fighting everywhere. And that's what anyone's finding
when they go to the FIFA World Cup. They're over
in America, and people in Europe have been looking at

(01:00:31):
American and thinking they're going to go over there and
it's just going to be this, you know, people yelling
and screaming at each other, and ice arresting people and
all this kind of stuff, and they go over there,
it's say, oh no, that's just the social media.

Speaker 4 (01:00:42):
View of wherever you are, right, that's right the extreme view.

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
So if you're a kid now you go of course,
you're worried about the world because you see every tiny
little bad thing happening. I mean, you know, if there
was something going on, we might see about it in
the six o'clock news briefly, And if you're a kid,
you generally couldn't be by the watching anyway, so you
might only just vaguely hear about it. You might hear
your dad reading a newspaper article about it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:07):
I mean, the big one was nine eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
And when I was fourteen years old and I turned
up to school and the social media studies teacher said, right,
this has happened, but we're not really going to talk
about that, because this is social studies class. Kids, you
can sort that out when you get home. And I'm
kind of like, Okay, what's the big deal? Why are
people freaking out about this? But then after that, you know,
my parents said a few bits about it, but it
wasn't as big a deal. I mean, if that happened now,
that would be you know, the social media albithm over twenty.

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
Five of the dumbest people that you've ever ever heard
speak would be sitting in cars, yep, talking on their microphones,
giving you hot takes and your TikTok feed about it exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:01:41):
I'lb, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 25 (01:01:44):
Good?

Speaker 8 (01:01:44):
Good?

Speaker 4 (01:01:45):
And what's your take on this?

Speaker 12 (01:01:48):
I don't think that anxiety has you know, probably hasn't
increased but for children. But how parents and society, schools,
sports clubs respond to anxiousness has But I think we
have to remember, being a little bit anxious is just normal.

(01:02:08):
You're if you're responding to like a high pressure game
that's coming up, or and your kids feeling a bit
anxious and a bit stressed about it. That's the normal
response that our having. And I think back when I
grew up, you know, our systems enabled us to experience that,
live through it, and push through. Whereas I feel like

(01:02:28):
now clubs and schools are probably set up a bit
differently where they focus more on oh, we can't have
the stressor taking place and can't have the kids stressed out.
And it's like got sort of point even in sports
clubs with our kids, you know, getting into all into

(01:02:52):
high school years. And you know, when I grew up
and playing sports, you know, if you're playing competitively, fitness
was a big part of being a student athlete. And
now you know coaches are just too scared to have
the hard talk about fitness and losing a bit of weight.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
Yeah, I mean what we know now, Albi, and I
agree with that you're saying, for some reason, the Sinkle
swim seem to work pretty well for me and a
lot of my mates growing up, that you're going to
be thrust into this environment and it's not going to
be easy, but you will figure it out and you'll
be better for it once you get through it. But
not now, we know not every kid responds to that.
But do you think, you know, we are getting better

(01:03:31):
at giving kids tools to be able to deal with
when they are feeling nervous rather than anxious.

Speaker 12 (01:03:37):
Yeah, I think we have the tools there, Like I
guess I talk about this as a health profession all,
Like we have the tools there, but sometimes we put
in processes and ways of working that means like we
don't expose him and for anxiety, like if you're you know,
like the story about the you know, the kid who

(01:04:00):
got anxious and then couldn't play sports. Like what we
do know is like, if you're going to have anxiety
as an issue, it's going to be something that's been
reoccurring for six months and it's happening. And so like
if we take away the exposure, are we not just
setting up kids to fail?

Speaker 18 (01:04:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
Well what is it? Cognitive behavioral therapy?

Speaker 18 (01:04:21):
Right?

Speaker 12 (01:04:21):
So, the less you're anxiety you know as CBT or exposure.

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
If you don't if you don't do it, then it
gets scarier every time you do it. But I think
you've put that you've actually you've actually said exactly what
it is. Right, So the kid didn't want to play
sport and their parents are immediately calling it anxiety.

Speaker 12 (01:04:42):
Whereas what is what is in the background over the
last period.

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
That's true, But the texted did say that that the
week before the kild had better than bold, so it
was capable of doing it right. But you know, anxiety
is actually if you happening more days than not for
light for for six months. But anyway, we don't know
the exact examples in that circumstance. But if you spe speculate,
the kid now has a aim for not wanting to

(01:05:09):
be having butterflies to go and play the game of cricket,
which is a terrifying game. Cricket fair. You're out on
your own, you know, bowling and batting. It's it's like
a team sport, individual team sport. Yeah, it's quite a
terrifying sport, and so you're right to be nervous about it.
But if you're then told that that's anxiety, you go, oh,
the reason why I couldn't play today is because I've
got anxiety. So I didn't and then and then the

(01:05:31):
next week you go, well, I've got anxiety, so I
can't play. So you can see how and I'm not
sure exactly the circumstances here, but you can see how
that could manifest into the child looking for symptoms and
having a name for it, and the parents going, well,
they've got anxiety. So it's sort of snowballs into them
never doing anything and then they eventually do have anxiety.

Speaker 12 (01:05:51):
Yeah, And I think that's the danger. You know, we're
in the information age where you know, all these all
the symptoms of diagnoses can just be searched up on theirs,
and it doesn't you have that, you know, I think
a lot of parents, and I get just society as
a general, like we're trying to encourage mental health, so

(01:06:12):
it's a good thing to know about and understand, but
I think sometimes we're taking it a bit too far
in terms of in terms of children and anxiousness, which
for you know, children, that's a normal part of growing
up is having the periods we feel anxious, even as adults,
like I get anxious every time I have to, you know,

(01:06:36):
do an examination on a patient that I haven't done
for a while, and I look it up and then
I've got some nerves about about that, but you you
work through it. Yeah, And that's you know, part of
our innate developing from thousands of years, and it's part
of who we are. So I don't think we should
like have policies or developing systems that get rid of that.

(01:07:00):
I feel like we may bee maybe we have gone
a little bit too far where we're not exposing exposing
our kids to the of stuff we would have been exposed.
And well from the nineteen text for the nineteen nineties
or early two thousand, there was.

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
Probably there was a time where the blanket response was
hard enough, which was probably wrong because because because that
was helpful for a lot of people, but not everyone
with say, clinical anxiety, it didn't help. Yeah, but we've
also gone too far if we jump from butterflies to
clinical anxiety straight away. So you know, we've got to

(01:07:38):
find the line there somewhere. I'd say, hey, thank you
so much for your call, ALBI.

Speaker 4 (01:07:41):
Yeah, great call. Do you agree with Albi?

Speaker 26 (01:07:43):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is number to call A
nine two nine two is the text number. It is
eighteen two three.

Speaker 4 (01:07:50):
Very surely your home.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
Of afternoon talk mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons call eight
hundred eighty ten eighty youth talks.

Speaker 4 (01:07:59):
They'd be quarter to three.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
Are children more anxious than previous generations? Or are we
just over using the word? Tell us your thoughts.

Speaker 9 (01:08:06):
I e.

Speaker 4 (01:08:06):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
The six is love chat on anxiety, guys. As I
explained it, if you aren't a bit cautiously anxious when
you are going across the road, then you might get
hit by a car. It's normal. Don't over diagnose it, Paula.
The thing is if you're not. If you're If you
are scared of something and then you do it, then
afterwards you feel amazing yep incredible amount of self worth.

(01:08:28):
If you're scared of something and you don't do it,
then you become more scared of the thing. It grows
in the not doing of it. It's right, and you
never get that feeling of massively achieving it. And that's
not too Absolutely, there's a real thing called clinical anxiety. Absolutely,
but you just got to be careful that you don't
manifest it by talking about it and giving it a

(01:08:51):
name as a condition as opposed to just a feeling
that you've got that morning before you've got to run there,
you know the year. In my case, it was always
the cross country.

Speaker 4 (01:09:01):
Yeah, Debrah, what do you say on this?

Speaker 8 (01:09:04):
Bhi?

Speaker 21 (01:09:06):
This is one of my pet ones. I feel that. Look,
I'm a mother of four, a grandmother of eight. I
also worked with children, and I have an absolute certainty
in me that parents are giving too many decisions to

(01:09:26):
small children and therefore making them nervous or anxious. I
don't even like the word anxious, because I think a
lot of this is nervousness, just the same as we
used to have, like always like before you do anything
that's kind of big or new, people are nervous. But
the anxiety that seems to have become very apparent in

(01:09:51):
teenagers and children as they're growing. I used to watch
a children's shop and I'd watch these mothers and even
with a one year old two year old, they'd come
in and they'd say, oh, look, darling, it's a purple one,
a pink one. Which one would you like? The green one,
the yellow one? And then all of a sudden, the

(01:10:12):
child would just go. They couldn't cope at all, but
the mother was thinking she was doing an educational thing,
and she was naming colors and giving this child.

Speaker 22 (01:10:26):
Time to make a decision.

Speaker 27 (01:10:28):
Well, it's rubbish.

Speaker 21 (01:10:30):
Children need to have no decisions when they're preschool. There's
nothing other than maybe some little food thing or something.

Speaker 3 (01:10:39):
But even then, I think you make a good point.
But I think the dinner things amazing because I've seen
parents when our kids were really small, and now other
parents go, what do you want for dinner? Kids inside
the kids Oh no again, why would you open that
world of them considering it? And also they don't have
a choice. I mean, as my parents said, you eat
what you get what you get, and you don't get upset.

Speaker 21 (01:11:00):
Get what you're given. We would have no more said
to mom and dad as a chilper, Oh well I
don't like that, so could you cook me something different?
I mean no, it wasn't happening, and it wasn't even
a thought. And I'm so happy I got brought up
in the fifties and the sixties because our freedom was huge.
Nobody was worried about some bonker neighbor or somebody coming

(01:11:23):
from behind a tree, or you came home from school,
you had your sandwich, and then you ran out and
you didn't come back to tea time, nobody worried, and
the other we wouldn't worry.

Speaker 3 (01:11:33):
And the other thing was it wasn't a negotiation whether
you went to school or not. No, you know, I
see lots of my friends and their kids maybe argue
whether they're going to go to school or not, when
when I was a kid, I can't even imagine saying
to them. If I said, my dad, I'm a bit
worried about something at school today, I don't want to go,
he'd be like, get in the car, or yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:11:55):
He'd be like, what, you go to school?

Speaker 21 (01:11:57):
I didn't listen to it. Why was a parent even listening.

Speaker 4 (01:12:00):
I didn't even know I don't want to go to school.

Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
I didn't even know there was an option not to
go to school. If I'd known there was an option then,
and they should.

Speaker 21 (01:12:10):
Of these small children wandering around going I had one
woman in my shop, well no, it was an auntie
mother and a younger woman with a wee child called
all of us, and I had a young girl on
the counter, and I heard this kerfuffle, and they came,
please please, all of them, please try it on. No,

(01:12:30):
are they're trying to get this five year old boy
to try on a suit.

Speaker 23 (01:12:34):
For a wedding.

Speaker 4 (01:12:35):
Hold him down.

Speaker 21 (01:12:36):
Now, what five year old boy.

Speaker 19 (01:12:38):
Wants to try on a suit? Nobody?

Speaker 21 (01:12:40):
So I just suddenly leaped out of the window where
I was doing something, and I went, oh, Oliver, let's
have a look at you. It's just what this jumper
off and we'll just put this on. It's horrible trying things.

Speaker 27 (01:12:51):
On, isn't it.

Speaker 21 (01:12:53):
And we'll put this on. Oh, look at that, it's
wonderful fits. Well, let's get it off now. And appearents
are standing here like looking at me as they can't
believe all of us shut up and done the whole
thing that they're so whimpy around these children, and they'd be.

Speaker 17 (01:13:09):
Please, will you do it?

Speaker 21 (01:13:10):
Please?

Speaker 23 (01:13:11):
Will you eat that piece of cheese?

Speaker 21 (01:13:13):
It's mad and they're making they're making children make decisions.
So then children turn around and then can they're in
a vicious circle. And then as they grow older. This
whole thing about naming anxiety because you're nervous, what you've

(01:13:36):
said is absolutely bang on. You know, if you're nervous
going to cricket.

Speaker 17 (01:13:41):
Cause you're nervous going to cricket by because.

Speaker 21 (01:13:43):
Their first day of cricket, you know, and then maybe
they've had a bad day at rugby and they didn't
get anything special, or they've got his gray's knee. So
then they go, man, I want to go back again,
and mommy puts them in their arms and goes, you
don't have to do darling. I mean, this is this
is overloved or what they think is love. It's over

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indulged and things. Because these poor parents are just bombarded by.

Speaker 3 (01:14:14):
They're trying to be they're trying to be the they're
trying to be the best parent they can, and you're
taking on a lot of worry. And then you hear
about how stressed parents are. It's because you are. You're
making it harder than it needs to be. Really, it's
like you serve some food, the kids eat it. Yeah,
you know, you and roll kids in school and they
go to school. And I know kids, and it's easy

(01:14:36):
to say that because kids can be really powerful in
the way they push push back. But they could come
down to the options thing. Dobe. There was a thing
that one of my kids had he because I used
to love the cross country and I did really well
in it, but I'd be very very nervous. And I
was talking to my son about it and he said, oh,
there's there's four options for the cross country. Now, I said,
you nervous about the cross And I said, I didn't
say nervous. Is like, are you excited about the cross country?

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I always make sure, I said that kind of thing.
And he goes, oh, no, because I picked the walking option.

Speaker 4 (01:15:02):
There's a walking option, so that's not the cross country.

Speaker 3 (01:15:05):
And I said, you did not pick the walking option, mate,
you're that cross country. And it's like, why is the
school giving a walking option.

Speaker 4 (01:15:13):
That is poor forth from the school? Mad unless they
make them walk the twenty game, I mean.

Speaker 27 (01:15:19):
Unless they've got a club foot or something.

Speaker 21 (01:15:21):
Yeah, it's just absolutely beyond belief that they would.

Speaker 3 (01:15:25):
Life is not a menu.

Speaker 4 (01:15:27):
Life is not a menu. That's good.

Speaker 21 (01:15:29):
Yeah, try to tell the kids off and then you
get a wrap over the knuckles clus you've told the
kid off or you know. I mean, the whole thing
has become exponentially more about the children being the boss,
the social media telling everyone they've got to cow tow
and their children might get anxiety sickness, when really they

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just need boundaries.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
Yeah, think you for you call Debrah yeah, great call.
Do you agree with Debrah I under an eighty ten
eighties number to call? It is seven two three.

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams.

Speaker 7 (01:16:05):
Afternoons news talks, they'd.

Speaker 2 (01:16:07):
Be news talks there be it is five to three
quick text. Here get a guys, kids in the forties,
it's this one here what the nerves kid making the
other normal kid to being nervous just because of the nerves.
Kids need to know that you can't label anything. It
makes everything a lot worse.

Speaker 7 (01:16:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:28):
So there were a lot of sayings back in the
day went there like face your fears. There's a good one.
Life isn't fair. That was a great one. Yep, she
said that's not fair. Parent would always go life's not fair,
which is true. It's not fair. Life's not fair and
you can't expect it to be. Get back on the
horse was another good one.

Speaker 25 (01:16:43):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:16:44):
You know if you had a rough day, it's sport,
be like, just get back on the horse to get
back out there. And again there was also a blanket
hard en up, Yes, just hard enough, which might be
too far. There was obviously clinical disorders out there, but
parents need to be careful calling naturally occurring emotions a condition.
Nerves are great, they're just excitement with another name. It's

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the body giving you the hormones and energy need to
wake up and perform. So be very careful calling something
good a condition. You may not be. You might not
have anxiety. You might just be nervous. Yeah, which is
probably a good thing. I liked your saying as well
that life is not a menu. That's very good mate,
It's so true to many choices, too many choices.

Speaker 4 (01:17:25):
Right, great discussion.

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
Thank you everyone who gave us a buzz and text
through coming up after three o'clock.

Speaker 4 (01:17:29):
When did you know it was time to hang up
the boots. We'll tell you more soon, the big stories,
the big issues, the big trends and everything in between.

Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talk said, be.

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
Very good afternoons. You welcome back into the show. It
is six pass three. So a charity sports event between
politicians and local players met a soar end for a
few players, including none other than our police Minister Mark Mitchell.
So MP's from across the aisle came together on the
weekend to take part in the Rumble in Russell event,
a biennial event raising funds for the Rugby for Life

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charitable event.

Speaker 4 (01:18:08):
Mark Mitchell.

Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
He was front and center for Team MPs, but turns
out it didn't go so well for them.

Speaker 7 (01:18:14):
Hey, good morning everyone.

Speaker 26 (01:18:16):
Well I found out this morning I was roasted by
the HOSK about the fact that I busted a couple
of ribs played Rugby and Russell over the weekend. The
reason why I was up there is we were participating
what was called the Rumble and Russell. This is the
second time we've been. We went in twenty twenty four.
It is going to be a biannual event. Our netball
parley Ferns played a Russell Invitational team. It was a

(01:18:39):
fantastic game Russell won, which meant that they retained the
Dame Jenny Shipley Cup. And then our parliamentary rugby team
went on to play the Russell Invitational team. Another brilliant game,
a really tough contest, but they just noticed us out
twenty two ten and they retained the Graham Thorn Cup.

Speaker 6 (01:18:57):
It was a.

Speaker 26 (01:18:58):
Fantastic weekend for a really special cause, Rugby for Life.
I just want to acknowledge both our parliamentary rugby team
and our Parley Ferns flights and Willington were canceled. They
got on vehicles, they traveled overland for fifteen hours to
actually get up there so that we could actually hold
the special charity event. I'm down here in Wellington for

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a big week this week. Thank you for the messages.
If you are seeing your message, please don't make it
a funny one. You know it's slight when you've got
a couple of broken ribs. Laughing is the one and
coughing of the two things that you want to try
and avoid.

Speaker 4 (01:19:32):
But I hope that all of you have a great week.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
So he tried to put on a brave face there.
But at the end of the day he broke a
couple of ribs and he wasn't the only one. Andrew Savell,
he was part of the player's team. He did something
to his calf and there was a myriad of other
injuries across the board. And in a different but related story,
of course, big news, huge news across the cricketing world
the dramatic retirement of Ben Stokes from international cricket, right

(01:19:57):
in the middle of a Test series against our own
Black Caps, many describing that as a chaotic but fitting
finale for a player nine for drama, a match defining moments.

Speaker 3 (01:20:06):
So how long do you keep going at a sport?

Speaker 25 (01:20:08):
Have you?

Speaker 3 (01:20:09):
Mark Mitchell? What does he He must be in his
mid to late fifties, right, Yeah, still playing a bit
of a rugby, full contact and it's going to be
an interesting time leading up to the election. With broken ribs.
I've had broken ribs before. Pea Digs from shapeshifter landed
on me on a moonhopper, right and broke my ribs.

Speaker 4 (01:20:29):
He's a big guy. Yeah, he's a very big guy.

Speaker 7 (01:20:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
We were shedding an ad and just it wasn't his fault,
but he bounced up when I went down and landed
on my ribs and cracked my ribs and it was
The recovery from broken ribs is quite.

Speaker 4 (01:20:43):
Intense because you can't do anything right.

Speaker 3 (01:20:45):
Yeah, well, they can't strap them up and you need
to keep using them because the important for breathing, and
the worst thing that you can do is to stop
using them. But also it's very hard to sleep because
there's no sort of comfortable position to be in with
broken ribs. Sounds horrendous, yeah, but social sport is great, right,
it's fun. It's great to hang with mates and have
a drink afterwards. Then one day sometime and forties or fifties,

(01:21:12):
you go screw this, it's too punishing. Yeah, and you
just have to decide that I'm no longer but going
to do it. I know, whether it's rugby, footy, running,
even is the point when you pack it in? And
at that point you just continue with the drinks afterwards
and cut out the sport, right.

Speaker 4 (01:21:29):
Yeah, So tell us when did you know it was
time to pack it in? I mean, it's across the board.

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
There'd be a lot of people out there, skiers for example,
snowboarders across the board.

Speaker 4 (01:21:39):
When you just realize and it's a part of lajorie.

Speaker 16 (01:21:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:21:43):
Yeah, And it's the recovery time, isn't it.

Speaker 12 (01:21:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:46):
I think it just happens to all of us there
at one point, you know, when you've done something you
always love and maybe you took a bit of time off,
and then you get back into it and your brain
says you can still do this, You're still as good
as you were when you were twenty years old. Then
you get in there and like Mark Mitchell, you break
a couple of ribs and then you figure, okay, maybe
it's time to hang the boots up.

Speaker 3 (01:22:04):
Sometimes it's because, you know, when I stopped playing footy,
it was because you know, it was social. But then
there'd be like a couple of twenty year olds that
would be roped in and they'd just be so much
faster than you, and it was just ridiculous. Yeah, that
embarrassment of yeah, you just had absolutely nothing. Yeah, yeah, so.

Speaker 4 (01:22:22):
Tell us your story. I had one hundred and eighty
ten eighty. When did you know it was time to
pack it?

Speaker 5 (01:22:27):
It?

Speaker 4 (01:22:27):
Nine two nine two is the text number as well.
It is eleven past three.

Speaker 2 (01:22:31):
News Talk said, be it is fourteen past three and
we've asked the question when did you know it was
time to packet? And this was after a charity rugby
game between MPs and local players ended up with a
lot of injuries, including our very own police minister Mark Mitchell,
a couple of broken ribs.

Speaker 4 (01:22:47):
Before the election. What happened to sav he busted his calf.

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
He's been pretty quiet though, right So this is what
he said to my costking during the sports huddled on Monday,
but he tried to downplay it. So I think he's
a bit embarrassed on what happened because he'd got some
good calves set.

Speaker 3 (01:23:03):
So two contributors to the Hostking Breakfast injured themselves in
this particular game. Hey guys, on fifty one says is
sex and started playing baseball again last summer, first time
back since I was twenty two. Tour a hamstring immediately
tour a calf. Had an amazing time, great game, A
great guys, some winter ball going on and hanging for
next summer. Mental health is all time high. Cheers Bevan.

(01:23:26):
I'd love to play baseball. I watch so much baseball
you do, But I mean it's too late for me
to take up baseball. Wow, yeah, I mean the problem
is the pitching. This sext says, you don't pack it in.
You just change leagues. I play in an over fifties league.
It's slow, but strategic. Well that's a big part of it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:45):
I mean, you know, there was a lot of injuries
in this particularly particular rugby game. But whether you've picked
up a sport that you played as a twenty year old,
even if you suffer some injuries, I can see why
it's still worthwhile. But then you know, that that you're
going to get back out on the field and play
some rugby or baseball or basketball. I mean, if you
can put up with a couple of injuries, you just.

Speaker 3 (01:24:06):
Got to remember that you're not twenty. I think that's
the thing. Yeah, because we all get confused and we go,
why aren't I running as fast? What's happening to me?
I mean some people claim it's long COVID, but what
it is is it's actually actually that you've gotten older.
Ben Stokes packed it him because he is a prima donna.
It's always all about him. He's his text. I packed it.

(01:24:28):
And on the other hand, because I got too fat
to field properly, batting and bowling was still solid. Batting
and bowling was still solid. If you could play without fielding,
that would be good things.

Speaker 15 (01:24:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:24:40):
You hear that a lot with cricket, that it is
the fielding. And I was playing in this game recently
with the ACC eleven and three of us broke down.
It was being filmed. Actually it was at the Bay
Oval and three of us broke down chasing a boundary ball.

(01:25:00):
So we were chasing after a cover drive yep, beautiful
cover drive and three of us I think myself Ben
Hurley and who was the other person, Lee Baker? I
think it was on we're all chasing to have the ball,
we all broke down with injuries running after the ball.

Speaker 4 (01:25:15):
It's good, good dedication mate. Oh eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number to call?

Speaker 2 (01:25:20):
When did you realize you had to hang up your
chosen sport because the injury risk was too high?

Speaker 4 (01:25:26):
Nine to ninety two was the text as well, I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:25:28):
Sixty two, I'm still playing rugby league high quality. Wow
too boy rugby league.

Speaker 2 (01:25:36):
Yeah, that's a tough sport, tough on the body. Oh
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call?
It is seventeen past three.

Speaker 1 (01:25:46):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on news talk ZAB.

Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
Nineteen pass three. When did you know it was time
to hang it all up and your chosen sport? I
eighte hundred eighty ten eighty CEE number to call?

Speaker 3 (01:25:59):
Kim, Welcome to the show. Your husband's How old is
your husband?

Speaker 19 (01:26:04):
He sixty this year?

Speaker 8 (01:26:06):
Wow, he's still.

Speaker 3 (01:26:07):
Right cross murder cross right and sort of.

Speaker 6 (01:26:13):
On the motorbike doing all the jumps, and yes, does.

Speaker 3 (01:26:16):
That make you worry? Are you concerned?

Speaker 6 (01:26:19):
Very He's had some major injuries, but if he gave up,
that would just be the end of it.

Speaker 27 (01:26:26):
He he just lives for it.

Speaker 21 (01:26:28):
He just loves it.

Speaker 6 (01:26:30):
He does it. My son does it, and my grandson,
who's Steven, he does it now. So it's just family.
It's just what they do every weekend and wives just
have to smile.

Speaker 3 (01:26:42):
And what kind of major injuries is he had, Kim, he's.

Speaker 6 (01:26:47):
Broken, he got steven pins in his arm, he's done
his knee, he's done his ankle, he's broken, cup of fingers. Yeah,
it's just yeah. And he doesn't race anymore. God's my
my son and my grandson do but he doesn't race.
But he goes to ardmore, he goes huntly, he goes. Yeah,

(01:27:10):
he loved that.

Speaker 3 (01:27:11):
And it's yeah, his time, when was his when was
his last injury?

Speaker 23 (01:27:17):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (01:27:18):
Quite a quite a long time ago.

Speaker 4 (01:27:19):
Yeah, right, So he's a little cautious.

Speaker 3 (01:27:21):
So he's he's he's become clever or cautiouser. I don't
think either of those are Yeah, neither of those words.

Speaker 6 (01:27:29):
By the way, Yeah, he knows when the track's getting dated.
You've been doing it for so long he can hopefully.

Speaker 23 (01:27:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:27:37):
Because because because, and you must know that. I notice
the difference with your son and your grandsons, just how
invincible you feel like you are when you're you know,
in your teens and twenties. It's not really as as
a man. You don't really start to realize that you
might possibly be mortal until about maybe forty five.

Speaker 6 (01:27:58):
Yeah, that's it. My son, he'll be when he said
he sevens So he's been lucky, he's he's had no injuries.
He's just doing really well. But it's always a resk.
Every time you've put on the helmet and you go out,
there's a rest and every time they're out. I kind
of I'm grateful when they come home. But if I
was to say you can't do it anymore, that's not

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up to me. That's up to heam to decide.

Speaker 4 (01:28:23):
Can he keep Can he keep up with us? Can
he keep up with the Sun?

Speaker 6 (01:28:28):
No? No, But the Sun's got a bigger bike than
he has, more powerful bike. But he just loves it.

Speaker 21 (01:28:34):
He rides a two stroke.

Speaker 6 (01:28:37):
He's not into the four stroke. He's old, old school,
so he rides a two stroke and he's the only one.

Speaker 25 (01:28:43):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:28:43):
Sometimes he takes off his helmet and they kind of go, oh,
you're old, you know he does.

Speaker 4 (01:28:50):
He does really, Oh you're old.

Speaker 6 (01:28:52):
You're old. You've got great here. What are you doing?

Speaker 3 (01:28:56):
Have you enjoyed nursing him back to health with all
his multiple injuries or is there a bit of tutting?
What are you doing?

Speaker 6 (01:29:03):
Ah? Yeah, well you know when he did his arm
I kind of threat and you have to give up
for but yeah, you just had to go with it,
don't you. You can't change people, and it makes him
so happy. You can tell if it's been wet for
a couple of weeks and you haven't been able to
go out, you can.

Speaker 3 (01:29:23):
Tell that his body and mind doesn't come and so
it might be not great for his body, potentially been
excellent for his mind. Thank you so much for your call.

Speaker 4 (01:29:31):
Yeah, great call.

Speaker 3 (01:29:32):
Ben. So you played cricket into your fifties.

Speaker 10 (01:29:36):
That's right. I started when I was seventeen and retired
five years ago fifty two, and that was because my hip,
my right hip was basically shot, and for probably the
last two seasons I was going out and playing a
fifty over a game lower grade. But it'd take me

(01:29:58):
all week to get over the over the game, and
then it sort of happened a week later. So I
sort of made the decision to retire. And I didn't
want to. I might, as I say, my brain still
wanted to play. I love the game, still wanted to
play it, but I just found that, you know, apart
from the fielding, I even felt that because it was

(01:30:19):
my hip, I probably couldn't even bat right as well
as I would like to because I think I lost
a bit.

Speaker 8 (01:30:25):
Of power in my shots right.

Speaker 10 (01:30:27):
But anyway, so I decided to retire. Since then, I'm
now fifty seven. I had a hip replacement about a
year ago, and it's actually changed my life.

Speaker 3 (01:30:39):
You're coming back, well.

Speaker 10 (01:30:41):
I'm not.

Speaker 16 (01:30:42):
Well.

Speaker 10 (01:30:42):
What I mean by that is that for the past
four years I've been getting up in the morning and wondering,
you know, what's my leg going to feel like this morning,
because it still was affecting me. And when I went
to the surgeon, he did an X ray and it
was basically bone on bone, no cartilage left. So I
made the decision to get a hip replacement. I didn't

(01:31:03):
want to go on the waiting list, so I paid
for it. Myself and I've actually I've got my life back.
It's life changing.

Speaker 3 (01:31:09):
Well, that's good to go to.

Speaker 10 (01:31:11):
I probably would probably go back to playing socially. The
reason why I wouldn't go back to being competitive is
that won the commitment on the weekends. But also I
think if I was standing in the slips or something
and then the ball shot past me, I'd buy out
of you know, reaction dive for the ball and I
just I don't really want to do that anymore and
hit the ground.

Speaker 3 (01:31:31):
Would you ever play indoor cricket, Ben.

Speaker 10 (01:31:34):
I'd played a lot of indoor cricket because that takes
my handstrings quite a bit.

Speaker 3 (01:31:39):
It kind of takes the fielding out of it, but
there's a lot of direction changes. You're still quite capable
of injuring yourself playing indoor correctly.

Speaker 8 (01:31:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:31:47):
And I remember, you know, like twenty years ago, when
I was in my forties or whatever, I was playing
club cricket in Hawke's Bay and we had Mike Shrimpton
in the team. I don't know if you know him,
but he's an old school cricketer. He played for New
Zealand probably in the sixties or seventies, and he was
like seventy at the time and he was playing for US.

Speaker 3 (01:32:07):
Wow.

Speaker 10 (01:32:07):
I was quite inspired by that and thought I could
do the same. But of course by the time I
got to my fifties, my hip was saying.

Speaker 3 (01:32:15):
Well, were you a better better or a bowler?

Speaker 5 (01:32:18):
Ben?

Speaker 10 (01:32:19):
In the early days, I was an all rounder at
the end.

Speaker 3 (01:32:23):
There's nothing quite like bowling, you know, in terms of
the recovery I find, because you give it a hundi
and then you just then it's the damage it does
to your the whole body the next day is quite something.
After you after you have bowled just a few overs,
you know, it's violent movements.

Speaker 10 (01:32:43):
Yeah, yeah, well even indoor cricket and training.

Speaker 8 (01:32:47):
I don't you know.

Speaker 10 (01:32:48):
I was a neat bowler for a while there, and
like you just be going and then putting your leg
down hundreds of times or whatever, and it was usually
on a concrete base. Yeah right, That's what really wore
my hip out in the end.

Speaker 15 (01:32:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:33:01):
It's an unnatural reaction action bowling a cricket ball, wasn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:06):
Yeah, Ben, thank you very much for your call text
you get a guys messive football or On my younger
days and got convinced to play social with some old
schoolmates who were short on plays. They put me in
as goalie and I put my back out jumping for
the first shot at goal saves it.

Speaker 4 (01:33:19):
But on your I was done. I felt I went
out as a legend.

Speaker 3 (01:33:22):
Eddie says. My brother is eighty and still competes in
competitive yacht racing, very physical.

Speaker 2 (01:33:29):
Good on you, Eddie, yes, O eight one hundred eighty
ten eighty set number to call. Nine two ninety two
is the text number. So when did you know it
was time to hang it up? Or indeed, if you've
kept pushing on, love to hear from you. Oh eight
hundred eighty ten eighty set number headlines with Wendy coming up.

Speaker 7 (01:33:45):
You've talk said b headlines with your right.

Speaker 13 (01:33:48):
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column at ends at Herald dot co dot nz. Back
to mattin Tyler.

Speaker 2 (01:34:57):
Thank you very much, Wendy, and we've asked the question
when did you know it was time to pack it in?
Or if you'll refuse to give up your blove sport
despite the body falling apart, how was it going?

Speaker 4 (01:35:05):
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:35:07):
This is after Mark Mitchell, among others, got pretty badly
injured in the charity rumble and Russell rugby event between
MPs and players. So Mark Mitchell broke a couple of
ribs just before the election, and we mentioned Andrew Saville
as well.

Speaker 4 (01:35:21):
He was on the player's side. He didn't fear so
good either.

Speaker 20 (01:35:24):
We lost two players in the warm up, so at
least I lasted the warm up. I felt the calf.
I felt a little bit of a twinge. You're not
going to believe this. Ian Jones, he was our coach.
He selected me at open side flanker right. Yes, Michael Jones,
Sir Michael Jones and Sir Graham Low gave us the

(01:35:46):
motivational speech before the game, and we were ready to
rip through. You know, we were ready to smash through
brick wolves. I tried to smash through the brick wall
and the calf went. But the kickoff, I'm standing there
thinking they're not going to kick it to me, right,
I'm standing there the high ball and I caught the kickoff,
expecting my captain Tayne Randall, my left or blindside plank

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Kyle Mills, the cricketer on my right, to cut the
ball up. They vanished, so I had to cut the
ball up into the parliamentarian's defense. I took the sting
out of their attack for ten or fifteen minutes. I
got wasted on the side of a mall. Someone some
of the one of their ringings came in and crunched
my ribs in the side of the mall. Even the

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referee went, oh, that's gonna hurt. And then after fifteen
twenty minutes I was gone.

Speaker 3 (01:36:43):
A lot of sympathy there, a lot of sympathy. Yeah,
this Texas says no one over twenty five should play sport.
Really wow sho ha or Tani? It's thirty one?

Speaker 15 (01:36:56):
Is he?

Speaker 3 (01:36:56):
Would you say he's based? What about Lionel Messy and
Cristiano Ronaldo? Lionel Messi he scored two goals against Austria.

Speaker 4 (01:37:04):
Still going strong. How old's Lionel?

Speaker 3 (01:37:06):
He must be forty? Is he thirty nine or four?
I know Ronaldo's forty one? What about Fernando Alonso? I mean,
not doing great this year, but there's more to do
with Weston Martin than him forty four years old. Yeah,
he's gone off at twenty five seeds a bit rough.
Lewis Hamilton, yeah, forty one, yeah, oh, one hundred and

(01:37:28):
eighty ten eighty c number to call get a mark.

Speaker 4 (01:37:32):
Yeah, I lad done good mate. So what happened?

Speaker 23 (01:37:36):
Well, I used to think I.

Speaker 16 (01:37:37):
Was all right at doing a bit of running and
was out at a barbecue and one of the white
girlfriends said we should have a running race. So I
later found out that she was a South Island champion,
but anyways, didn't know that at the time. So I
went on our a little bit of a running and
point of honey slipping over doing my shoulder. I thought
I'd just or everyone had said I'd dislocated my shoulder.

(01:37:59):
Just hold it up and roll around, she'll be right.
But that didn't work, so off the half rounds we went,
and a couple of weeks later got a appointment with
a specialist right too. He took one look at me
and said, well, you're pretty much just like the front
row of the All Blacks. They've all done this, And
I said, right, let's just stop there. I'm ready to retire.

Speaker 3 (01:38:20):
That is brutal at a family barbecue running race. But
you know what happens to many of us, Mark.

Speaker 16 (01:38:26):
Well, the funny thing is, a couple of years later
I was doing a dad's and lads rugby game. It
was under twelve, so I've ended up retiring from under
twelves rugby as well at the age of forty four.
But yeah, same thing happened again. I blew Blue Blue
the Emmy again.

Speaker 4 (01:38:44):
You're a sucker for punishment, Mark, thanks for giving us
a call.

Speaker 9 (01:38:46):
I was.

Speaker 3 (01:38:47):
I always saw this at a primary school running race
where it the dads would and mums would have separate
sprinting races for the kids. It was at some kind
of picnic day. It happened every year, and I saw
this dad. He went really really hard and he sort
of blew a hammy I think, but then he sort
of spun out of control and then he went piling

(01:39:08):
into the crowd and didn't just rolling through a bunch
of kids and then eat it up like a football
player that's being slightly touched on the toe, holding his
ankle and rolling around on the ground. But then there
was all these kids crying. Oh, it was very very amusing.

Speaker 4 (01:39:21):
There's sympathy levels high, Janet, how are you.

Speaker 14 (01:39:25):
I'm good?

Speaker 23 (01:39:25):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:39:26):
Yeah, you played nipball for a while, Janet.

Speaker 23 (01:39:28):
I played nitpball for around fifty five years. I started
when I was eight and then finished at around sixty
two sixty three I played back then that did you
play if you're pregnant? I said to them, can I play?
They said, as long as that's what you normally do? Yes,
So I played through five pregnant fees.

Speaker 8 (01:39:47):
Wow.

Speaker 23 (01:39:48):
The last one was twill seven months and the only
one I had a scheme for. And they never told
me that it was complication there and that I should
be on bed rest.

Speaker 5 (01:39:58):
Right.

Speaker 23 (01:39:59):
She arrived safely, but she didn't like nitmore much. I
didn't play on the same team, I say, but she
wasn't a fan.

Speaker 5 (01:40:06):
Did you?

Speaker 3 (01:40:06):
What made you finally pack in? Janet? At sixty two?

Speaker 23 (01:40:10):
Well, this is what my husband reckon, I wrote a poem.
And since this is the last verse.

Speaker 6 (01:40:14):
Next.

Speaker 23 (01:40:15):
Ball is a sport I have played through the years,
through shine, through rain, to booze and two cheers. But
I know I'm now old. Since I heard someone say,
have you come here to watch your grandchildren play?

Speaker 1 (01:40:26):
Great?

Speaker 4 (01:40:26):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:40:27):
So have you still? Have you still remained around netball, Janet,
even since you retired from playing.

Speaker 23 (01:40:34):
We wrote for children in youth, and I do get
at the goal end to shoot for them sometimes when
we're playing indoor.

Speaker 2 (01:40:41):
Yeah, and how's the body now? Janet is there any
sort of you know, historical injuries that are flare up.

Speaker 23 (01:40:46):
No, in the goodness of God, I'm very very fortunate.

Speaker 18 (01:40:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:40:50):
I did my ankle badly and I don't have any
problem with it, thankfully. I took the top out of
my knee a bit about sixteen, but that's fine, So
I'm very blessed.

Speaker 9 (01:41:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:41:00):
How old are you now?

Speaker 4 (01:41:01):
If you don't mind me asking? Janet?

Speaker 23 (01:41:03):
Seventy coming up seventy four?

Speaker 2 (01:41:05):
Right, well you sound very chipper and very active even now,
so clearly it worked out for you.

Speaker 23 (01:41:10):
Oh yeah, well I'm still writing, and yeah, I'm still writing.

Speaker 21 (01:41:14):
I still milk.

Speaker 23 (01:41:14):
I look three cows this morning by hand.

Speaker 4 (01:41:17):
Wow, good work more than me.

Speaker 3 (01:41:19):
You didn't milk any cows.

Speaker 4 (01:41:21):
No cows this morning? Really, no shame on me.

Speaker 3 (01:41:23):
Did you have milk on your rest?

Speaker 25 (01:41:24):
Cerrial?

Speaker 4 (01:41:24):
I certainly did, delicious similar Gary, How are you this afterday?

Speaker 25 (01:41:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 24 (01:41:30):
Good things guys. Just following on on your topic with
regards as speedway, there's a one of the top soup
stop drivers in New Zealand. He's finally hung up his
helmet at the age of seventy six.

Speaker 7 (01:41:44):
Wow.

Speaker 24 (01:41:45):
Yeah, he was driving in the early sixties and the
name is Clive Elliott, and he's just remarkable. But yeah,
this year he's finally decided to give it in at
the age of seventy six. And you've got to appreciate
those soup stops, which he drives full contact and nothing
gives in those frames and chassis, and the softest part

(01:42:07):
is actually the driver. So it's a pretty remarkable feat
that he's gone for so many years.

Speaker 4 (01:42:13):
So how physical is it?

Speaker 2 (01:42:14):
I mean, clearly I can see it's a super physical job, speedway,
But what sort of pressure is on the body?

Speaker 4 (01:42:20):
Do you know, Gary?

Speaker 8 (01:42:21):
Oh, it's wicked.

Speaker 24 (01:42:23):
These things are fifteen hundred kilos of solid steel in
the top one is now running sort of four to
five hundred horse power, and they're hitting each other and
hitting the concrete walls. So the chessis are designed.

Speaker 7 (01:42:37):
To give.

Speaker 9 (01:42:40):
Nothing.

Speaker 24 (01:42:40):
They're just a solid chessis and all their energy is
going through the drivers. And over the years, I mean,
they've improved the safety. They've got head restraints and five
point harnesses and whatnot, But at the end of the day,
if you hit a concrete wall at ninety or one
hundred kilometers an hour, their energy is going somewhere and

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it's the driver that's got to soak it up. So
he's amazing. He's very well respected and well known in
the speedway community. But yeah, he was a hard charger
for many many years.

Speaker 4 (01:43:16):
Yeah, I bet I'm just having look at him.

Speaker 2 (01:43:18):
So he started at eighteen and then he went for
just doing the mess here is that fifty six years?

Speaker 18 (01:43:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:43:26):
Nine years?

Speaker 24 (01:43:27):
Yeah, well he was early sixties years racing. I think
he raced at Palmi for a while, Palmas North, which
is obviously very popular track, and then he represented Wellington
as well. But it's funny if you walk through the
pits at most speedway meetings, you can always spot the
older drivers because they've always got limps and very much

(01:43:47):
bent out of shape.

Speaker 15 (01:43:48):
But it's a hard sport.

Speaker 24 (01:43:50):
Yeah, that's sort of grassroots racing in New Zealand. But yeah,
this guy has a bit of a shout out to Clive.
He's the man.

Speaker 3 (01:43:57):
Do they have a sort of a lean on them
for just from turning left so much?

Speaker 12 (01:44:03):
Yeah, that's the standing joke, isn't it.

Speaker 18 (01:44:05):
A lot of my mates, a.

Speaker 24 (01:44:06):
Bad speedway player, call it state house Formula one.

Speaker 12 (01:44:10):
But it's a great sport and I.

Speaker 24 (01:44:13):
Encourage everyone to get out to a track over the summer,
just just for sort of a nosey, because it's very
impressive these days with Horsepairer as well.

Speaker 3 (01:44:21):
So yeah, it's awesome sport. It's great to watch.

Speaker 2 (01:44:23):
Yeah, shout out to Clive Elliott, who retired at the
age of seventy six from speedway.

Speaker 4 (01:44:27):
Oh e one hundred and eighty ten eighties number.

Speaker 3 (01:44:29):
To call this, Texas says Lebron Drames is in his forties.
That's right. I mean, that's got to be a trolling
text that no one plays sport out sport. Freddy Freeman,
come on, yeah, finally gave up basketball at at forty five.
Didn't worry about twenty somethings dunking on me. It played smarter,

(01:44:50):
Doc Tommy, don't you think you should just listen to
your body? Was so right? All the joints stopped hurting.
But I put on ten gauge's in the posts process.
Social doesn't work if you're competitive. Yeah, I mean, that's
so true about playing social sport, right, the idea that
you just take it easy in social sport. I've never
I've never played any kind of social sport that hasn't
been insanely intent, health a leather and just as likely

(01:45:14):
to end up as an injury as any kind of sport.

Speaker 2 (01:45:16):
Yeah, keep those calls coming through. Oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty, when did you decide to hang it
all up? Or if you're still pushing through with your
beloved sport, how is it going for you? And that
text number is nine two nine to It is nineteen
to four the.

Speaker 1 (01:45:28):
Issues that affect you and a bit of fun along
the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons News Talk,
sa'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:45:35):
It is sixteen to four. When did you know it
was time to hang the boots up in your chosen sport?
Or if you push through and you're still pushing through
even now despite the body breaking down. O eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call this
text see he's got a guys. Played top side rugby
for a number of years, retired to pay off the mortgage,
went back and played Presidents at forty the wife. Wife's

(01:45:58):
only encouragement was to say, don't come crying to me
when you eventually hurt yourself. First game, two minutes in,
took the ball up, got sandwiched, in a tackle media.

Speaker 4 (01:46:07):
Collateral meniscus out for nine months. Funny thing. I was
off the field before the wife came to watch. And
this one.

Speaker 2 (01:46:15):
Get a guys, My in laws are both turning eighty
five this year. My mother in law still plays walking
basketball and table tennis and my father in law ref's
basketball and plays table tennis. They both will play a
social tennis game as well. So inspirational. Keep those techs
coming through on nine to nine two, Sheryl, how are
you this afternoon?

Speaker 9 (01:46:35):
Well?

Speaker 4 (01:46:36):
I'm great, Thank you, So tell us your story. You're
still playing sport.

Speaker 27 (01:46:40):
I'm still playing sport. I'm turning sixty four in October,
playing for the New Zealand sixties woman's team, heading off
to Belgium for the World Cup in August the third.
How cool again, twelve nations. I think we're playing against fantastic. Yeah.
So I started playing at thirteen That epsom girls Gramdmar

(01:47:03):
got some great coaching, represented Auckland as a young buck,
and then went to a Targo to study, and then
played for a Tago and then moved back to Auckland.
Was never a black stick, but loved the game heaps,
And here I am still playing often thought about swipping
with the injuries where the children have said, no, no, mum,

(01:47:27):
you'll be unbearable. What do you mean, he'll be unbearable.
You just need to get out there.

Speaker 23 (01:47:32):
And do it.

Speaker 27 (01:47:33):
Yeah, and you yeah, just Voltarean and I are reasonably
good friends.

Speaker 2 (01:47:41):
It's good stuff there, Volta and so talking about injuries,
what sort of stuff have you had happened to you?

Speaker 27 (01:47:47):
Well, I'm a goalkeeper, so normally it's robes, people landing
on me, or it's sort of splits, the hamstring tears. Yeah,
that sort of thing. But I'm all good at the minute.
Shoulders sometimes too, from diving and with the extension of
the hockey stick and the ball on the end with
it incoming, you know, sixty five A g person that

(01:48:09):
does the shoulder a good trick.

Speaker 4 (01:48:11):
That's gonna hurt.

Speaker 12 (01:48:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:48:12):
Do you have extra players when you go overseas? I'm
not being silly.

Speaker 27 (01:48:15):
There, but you know they always take two keepers? Yeah right, yeah, yeah,
they take a squad of eighteen that must include two keepers.

Speaker 9 (01:48:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:48:25):
The gear's got a lot better, hasn't it.

Speaker 7 (01:48:26):
Cheril Oh, fantastic.

Speaker 3 (01:48:29):
It's incredible now, futuristic and light and such.

Speaker 12 (01:48:32):
The island yeah, made a New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:48:35):
But yeah, yeah, yeah, incredible stuff. Now it's it's if
you see someone dressed up and all that, it's so futuristic.
Mind that stuff can stink pretty quickly.

Speaker 6 (01:48:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 27 (01:48:46):
I think the cat crawls into my goaliebag.

Speaker 3 (01:48:51):
Is the goaliebag needs to stay outside.

Speaker 27 (01:48:53):
I'm not the only one there. There's a sixty five
women's team, a seventies woman just this year for the
first time, and a seventy five year old men's. New
Zealand are sending eighteen teams.

Speaker 12 (01:49:06):
Wow for the World Cup.

Speaker 2 (01:49:07):
It's all so yeah, that is brilliant Cheryl, thank you
very much for giving us a call. Moira, what's your
story fora.

Speaker 4 (01:49:16):
Oh?

Speaker 19 (01:49:18):
I just called up to say that I was a
competitive swimmer for years and I didn't quite make it
to the Olympics in twenty sixteen, so I hung up,
got back into masters fil mean a couple of years ago,
but ended our past qualifying to my first Open World
chance as a thirty three year old.

Speaker 9 (01:49:34):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:49:34):
Wow. So yeah, just just to go back, congratulations on that.
That's awesome. But what your master's at thirty three?

Speaker 19 (01:49:41):
Oh, something's crazy.

Speaker 12 (01:49:43):
At twenty five you're.

Speaker 3 (01:49:44):
Considered a master, right right, that's really that's quite something really,
So what's your discipline?

Speaker 4 (01:49:51):
So you almost qualified for the Olympics.

Speaker 19 (01:49:54):
Yeah, I gave it a nudge for London Rio and
oh gosh, I can't remember the first one now came
a bit short. Other sprinter. So I actually when I
caught in twenty sixteen, I fell in love with the
gym and I kind of was inspired by one of
the swimmers over in Australia doing this really ultra kind
of short program and I ended up something faster in
my thirties than when I was in the high performance

(01:50:16):
program and my twiners.

Speaker 4 (01:50:18):
Wow, unreal.

Speaker 3 (01:50:19):
Yeah, that's awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:50:20):
Yeah, I think we've got time for Ralph. Get I, Ralph,
good afternoon.

Speaker 25 (01:50:26):
I was playing rugby for the Kiatur Rugby Club in Paris,
so North. I was playing at Bunnythorpe and I was
fifty four on that year and I was on the
wing and I got the ball from the center and
I zoomed past my guy and I took a breath
and the next thing I was up in my mouth
was and he thought soil and grasp. I broke my

(01:50:50):
spring went as I assumed past this guy and that
was very, very painful, just trying to get back to
the other side of the pedict.

Speaker 3 (01:51:00):
Wow, I should laugh. But so you had the gap,
you saw the gap. You were you know, you were afraid.

Speaker 25 (01:51:05):
It looked No, I was that good. I didn't even
look for the gap. I just went around them.

Speaker 3 (01:51:10):
But then you came crashing down without a tackle.

Speaker 25 (01:51:14):
I didn't see a thing. I just felt dirt and
bloody bunny took grass in my mouth and then I
felt the pain, of course, and that that brought me
back to life.

Speaker 3 (01:51:25):
Not a sympathy out on the field for you.

Speaker 24 (01:51:26):
Ralph, No, no, no, none.

Speaker 25 (01:51:28):
We were playing the Mother's Gang at that time, and
you know you've got no excuse me, no, no, somebody there.
In fact, I had to go right at the side
of the paddic, limping like hell. But I got there
all right and had a shower and had a beer
laid earl was fine, and you recovered fully, oh sort of,

(01:51:51):
you know, as you do at that age anyway. But
I also played basketball in parmas to North all those years,
and we've got a group of guys now I can't
remember where they came from, but they were handballed the experts.
And I don't know if you've ever seen how fast
these guys can throw a ball. A little in a
handball p had a basketball that could go about the

(01:52:13):
same speed. And the guy I was down the scoring end,
and this guy spotted me there, so he faked a
big one and drew the whole court, including me, with it.
And he went back the other way and sent the
ball the opposite direction and I le lynched out for it,
and again it was a katmuss all this time. And

(01:52:35):
that was the end of my basketball career as well,
at fifty four years old.

Speaker 3 (01:52:39):
It wasn't for the injuries, Ralph would still be playing
to a highly.

Speaker 2 (01:52:42):
You still do a dire Ralph like your style. A
couple of texts before going to play, some messages.

Speaker 3 (01:52:47):
Garf Bafoot, the famous Garf Bafleot still doing triathlons in
his nineties.

Speaker 4 (01:52:52):
That is impressive.

Speaker 3 (01:52:53):
And Philip sees me at fifty, I don't even run
for the.

Speaker 2 (01:52:55):
Phone in this one, s guys, I'm sixty seven female,
played my last game of rugby at fifty was playing
softball into a double hip replacement at fifty five and
sixty ment I switched to coaching. Last year, I tripped
on a mat and smashed my femur. Have osteoporosis. Guess
what I'm going to retrain for softball? My matus seventy

(01:53:16):
eight and still plays. Wakama is a great sport. You
get to sit down and all groups have their own sections.
I can't stand how my body is crapping out, but
still love the game.

Speaker 3 (01:53:26):
So the moral of the story is keep playing sport
until you indu yourself so badly that you can't do
it anymore. Yep, I think that's the moral. We've got
off for this hour.

Speaker 4 (01:53:36):
I think that. Yeah, I think that's the PSA right there.

Speaker 3 (01:53:37):
Yeah, yeah, don't have a hym Yeah, I think was
the moral of the story.

Speaker 4 (01:53:41):
Nicely said mate. Right, it is eight minutes to four.
Beg very shortly.

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Speaker 3 (01:53:58):
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thank you so much for listening and thanks for all
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I playing this nineteen eighty split ends hit from their
True Colors album.

Speaker 4 (01:54:28):
You've done it again, Matt Heath. I know it's called
I Got You. I have no idea why he'll be
playing this I caught you.

Speaker 3 (01:54:35):
Oh, oh my goodness. Because we don't always know why
we get frightened. But earlier today we were talking about
a mental health coach and the risks of calling fears
and nerves anxiety. Everyone gets scared sometimes mostly it's best
just to face your fears and get on with it.
Too many people, too many people manifesting conditions in themselves
and their children when they're just experiencing healthy butterflies. So nice, good,

(01:54:59):
But we don't know why sometimes we get frightened. Tyler,
all right, you seen busy, so we'll let you go.
We'll be back live nationwide tomorrow afternoon. Until then, you
give them a taste of Kewa.

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