June 3, 2026 • 17 mins
Amy Lee from Evanescence called up to chat about opening for Metallica on their recent stadium tour, their new album Sanctuary, and how they collaborated with artists including Jordan Fish and Spiritbox to help to evolve the Evanescence sound more than 20 years on.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome Radios, Off the Record podcast record with Big Sandy's.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
From Fallen Life to Afterlife. If an Essence has spent
more than two decades building one of the most distinctive
sounds in rock, and now they're back with a brand
new album called Sanctuary and joining me now is Amy
Lee cureda welcome.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Hi. Thanks, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
It's more than a pleasure. I got to see you
when you opened for Metallica in November, and you know
I love Metallica, but you were the highlight of my night.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Ah. Thanks.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I mean, as one of the biggest concerts I've ever
been to, and your voice is so powerful. It just
filled that arena and it felt.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Like it was quite effortless.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Thank you. We had such a fantastic time.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
I mean, we always love coming out Australia, but being
able to play not only in those huge stadiums like
that was really special.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
That was new for us.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
But to have the contrast of playing those big shows
and then to have a couple of these like intimate
show that we had these little shows on the side
that were like these little club shows. I mean, some
of them were bigger than others, but for the most part,
they're club shows. It felt so good to just like
connect with people both ways the whole time.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
That was a special tour.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah, because it must be different, Hey, when you're doing
what you've saying, that connection with the fence, when you're
trying to connect to like, I don't know how many
thousand people.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
With the yeah, well the stadiums were like between fifty
and eighty every Yeah, so fifty.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Eighty thousand people.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
And then like which is you are very much like okay,
pressures and we go into it going this is Metallica's crowd.
We need to go in and just like nail it
all heavy, blah blah blah. And then you kind of
settle in after the first show and you're like, they're cool,
they like us, we can play my Mortal.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Everything's cool. Just everybody relaxed.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Yeah, but still you're you're playing in a different way
because you're singing to the distance, you know, performing for
the screens as much as you are like for the
people that are right in front of you, so that
the people in the back are seeing that, you know,
and then to hop over and go, okay, wash that
out of your system. Here's the opposite and play you know,
(02:12):
for like a twenty five hundred seat club and like
get in there and be sweaty and just like remember
what it's really about to play a live show, because
I feel like that is it? Like the energy and
the sweat and the connection and everybody in a room together,
like the way it feels to go to a show
when you're a teenager, you know, like you feel that
(02:32):
on stage. Anyway, both were amazing. We had a blast.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
It was so nice to us.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
No, that's good and with pumped feing your album. So
Sanctuary is your first studio album in four years, but
the title Sanctuary is there after listening to your new single,
who Will Follow You? Is what is the maining behind
the title and the album for you?
Speaker 3 (02:54):
It's there's always more than one, but the song is
where we're at, like the world, like.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
The absolute constant feed of lies and advertisements being shoved
in our faces and the way they're we're being polarized
like against each other as well. The world is tumultuous
and chaotic and violent and horrifying, but it is not
going to consume our soul, not if we claim it.
(03:27):
Not if we claim sanctuary in humanity in each other
and find ourselves in a place where we can.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Rise up because we are so powerful, so powerful.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
And I think that music is just, I mean, the
prime way I've seen people come together, the thing that
is the catalyst that makes us all emote and express
and share and connect our energy, like our strength, our
energy comes through in that love.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
And love is powerful. And I remember I was saying.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
That on stage during the Metallica shows, like love is powerful,
Like look at this, why are we all here? Thousands
and thousands of people gathered in this place like to
be next to strangers and scream at the top of
our lungs together and cry because we're human and that
is the best of us. So if music can be
(04:20):
the thing, you know, at least one of the things
that brings us together to shine that power.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Like I'm so happy to be doing what I'm doing,
and music is my sanctuary.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
So who we follow and the album and the title
and all that, that's what it's all about.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
So on your and your album, you worked with Jordan
and Zech and what did they bring out of ethany
sense creatively? What did they get out of you that that.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Was such a fateful connection. I met Jordan through Bring
the Horizon, we did a collab and then we got
together to perform that collab at download and we really
got a chance to meet them, like in twenty twenty three,
I think, uh. And I remember at the end of
that process, at the end of that night of download,
(05:09):
I looked at him and I was.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Just like, we're supposed to make music together.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Like I don't know why, I just know, and he
was like okay. And like a year went by and
we're both busy with our own lives and our own thing.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
But uh. Then Zach Sorvini, like I mean, he is
just like ruling it.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Like everything he touches is so cool. So we're fans
of his anyway. And then he came in and mixed
Afterlife that we did for the Netflix Double Make Right thing,
and right around the same time, like he called me
and he was just like, hey, you want to just
like go on the studio, like just like try something
like let's see if see if we can come up
(05:46):
with something cool. Uh.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
And I was like, yeah, that's a great idea. And
he was like, I want to bring my friend.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Jordan Fish and I was like, okay, universe perfect, that's
exactly what's supposed to happen. I'm gonna bring my friend,
my guitar player, Troy, and we'll just get in there
and see what happens, which is always kind of scary,
like just going to with new people and that's not
really my vibe.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
I'm usually like I have to do.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
It all, I have to get it only the band,
and this was just it's just been such a season
of yes and like I want to see what you
hear and what you bring to the table, and yeah,
I want to know. And we got in there and
just day one was like immediate energy, immediate connection, immediate
great creation. We had the majority of tell me when
(06:29):
you had enough at the end of the day, and
then the next day it was like the core of
the title track, and it was just one of those
things where was like, Okay, this is where we're supposed
to be in this moment, and this is fantastic, and
we need to do whatever it takes, cancel plans, whatever,
to like be right here for a minute. So it
(06:49):
was sort of the core of the album I feel like,
was like really redeveloped in that moment. There's a bunch
of music from different times and different places in different phases,
but they what they brought was just new, beautiful collaborative energy.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
And also like an element of.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
Seeing and like loving and respecting the band, like on
a level.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
That like.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
It's cool to be able to look at evanescence outside
myself and I can do that through their eyes. So
for me, I have to be to some degree like
our biggest critic. It's up to me, like fix everything
anyone might criticize before it happens, before it goes out
in the world, and like to be able to let
that go and like see the whole thing through the
(07:36):
eyes of love, like through the eyes of a fan,
the eyes of somebody who was inspired by it as
well as went on to do their own amazing thing.
I don't know that kind of like was a superpower.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Yeah, I mean that must be. Is it pretty unusual
to be able to go into a season like saying
with two people you e'ven never with before and have
a song at the end of the day like that.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
That's rare for me. Yeah, yeah, it was.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
And I remember just being like we got in the
car at Troy and I had a little rental car
and we were staying at the hotel and We're headed
back in the rental car at the end of this
whirlwind day where it just came out so fast and
so good, Like we're just so excited about the thing
we just wrote, and we were heading back to the
hotel and I was just like, how are we going
to do that tomorrow because we had six days?
Speaker 3 (08:23):
And he was like, I don't know. And we got
in the car and I literally was like worried about it.
It's like, I'm not gonna be able to bring that again,
Like I don't know what just happened.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
But that was cool, and we got back in there
the next day and it totally happened again.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Yeah, Yeah, that's cool. So be cause you were talking
about trying to be on the outside looking in to
effany sense, But how do you separate yourself from your
persona of Amile on stage as to just Amy Lee
just every day amy me on.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Stage is still me, yeah, all the way.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
But I think that, like I'm definitely a lot better
at stepping outside myself and viewing it kind of more
loosely and objectively, Like when it comes to articles, stuff
on the internet, whatever, people understanding me that have never
met me, I don't care like I used to care when.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Fallen came out.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
I was twenty one, twenty one years young, and that
was hard. It was really hard to feel like my
whole job after the album was done was just to
allow people to criticize and judge and talk about me
and speculate, even if it wasn't negative, it's just speculation
about it, just personal weird, and I think especially when
(09:43):
you're younger, that's like I felt so overexposed and misunderstood,
just constantly, just misunderstood, like they don't.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Know me, but they don't have to.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
They really don't like and I think that that is
the point of the music. It's for me, Like the
more honest and the more sides and aspects not only
to myself, but like to this music vision that we
have as a group, like the more that they can
see that picture. But at the same time, like it
(10:13):
isn't the whole me, and that's kind of a good thing,
Like I'm allowed to just be this person, which is
just as much the real me is the one that's
on stage, but it's.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Not the same.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Like aren't we all so many colors? And I don't
need I don't need the whole world to know me.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
All the way, ye, Like it's okay, I don't know
them all the way either. They could talk all it well.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
It's like actually not about me and understanding me and
my life and my d that's all in there for me.
But the cooler part is when people take the music
and feel it in their own heart and apply it
to their own circumstances and their own lives and like
take that to hopefully be some something good for them,
(10:54):
something cathartic, something inspiring, something that pulled them off the edge.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Maybe any of those things.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Those are all that's that's so much more beautiful than
them understanding me.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Yeah, And are you mindful of that when you are
performing and you know that a lot of your songs,
especially like My Immortal and Bring Me to Life, those
songs have been parts of you know, people's love stories,
people's heartbreak. So when you were putting that on stage
for you know, like when you were first performing them,
they were your songs and now they've become the songs
of everyone else. Is there sort of an emotional I
(11:26):
don't know, I don't know what the word, but when
you're putting it out there, there's some sort of I
wouldn't say a weight. I guess there is a weight
to it, But how does it feel.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
I feel all of it. I feel all of it
like and it's so true. Like in the beginning it's
like it's about me, I gotta do it right now,
it's more like, Wow, this is about so much more
than that.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
This has been so many people's story that is a
humbling thing.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Like I really feel like it has been just an
incredible gift and incredible blessing to be able to be
a part of the delivery of this thing that is
way bigger than myself. And yeah, I've become part of
the fabric of people's lives. I do recognize that that's
something that you can't have starting out, and that is
something that makes me have so much more joy and
(12:18):
fun now on stage and doing everything we do with
this band and I could possibly had when I was
twenty one.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Yeah, that's so cool. A. I was also reading that
you did a collaboration with spirit Box with Courtney and Poppy.
What was that like as a female? I mean, because
you know, I really appreciate woman who rock hard and yeah,
I know, you know, in the eighties it was a
lot of women in rock, but I just feel in
(12:46):
the nineties as well. But it's really cool and really
refreshing to see you collaborating with more women. How does
is it exciting for you to see more of this happening?
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Yes, yes, together we are powerful like every way, and
you know, saying to somebody earlier, like when I think
about like what makes me feel strong and what makes
me feel brave, it's other women, like whether together or
supporting me or me supporting them, Like when we're together,
(13:18):
I feel strong like that, and just seeing women be
brave and seeing women on stage fully powerful, fully hair blowing,
like that's what makes me feel inspired. So to be
able to you know, and also just like as a
listener as a fan, like I love those I love
(13:38):
listening to spirit Box, I love Poppy, Like it's cool
to be able to just work with people that you
like in general, whatever their gender. But there's this added
element to being a woman and being a woman in
heavy music because we are still a bit of a rarity,
less than we used to be. Like used to be
like finding a unicorn in the wild to find another one,
(14:00):
but now it's like, hey, yeah, we're on the team, right,
Like we're the team together, like we get.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Things guys don't get, and we need each other, so
let's get together. I love that.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
I love being able to bring us together to just
join forces and empower each other and be strong.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
And also I love the music they make, so.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
It's cool to be able to lift up other artists
that I think are making great art. So we had
a blast doing that collab. I'm very excited tour with
both of them this year. I don't know, I here's
so many more. I feel like the more of us
there are, the more of us there will be, so like,
just keep pushing it forward.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yeah, I say, because definitely having more you know, as
a as a woman and an audience who really appreciates music,
saying more woman on stage is only gonna inspire and
influence famous musicians. And with Afterlife from Devil My Cryll,
with Netflix, it's a whole new audience that you know,
it's a younger platform. You've gone huge on TikTok and
(15:01):
that you know generally is a younger platform. So that's
kind of co knowing that you've got an influence on
a whole new generation.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
It is cool.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
It is cool, and I think that like just the
crossing of the two worlds between Devil Maker Eye and
like our band was smart and cool, Like that's just
that was a good idea.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
I wasn't my idea.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
It was another universe thing that came to me, like
Netflix and Alex Severer that was really his song and
then bringing us into it and it's snowballing into a
full on evanescent song and everything that happened with that.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Again, Like for me, like the mantra.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Has always been just make music you love, period, Make
great music that makes me excited that I love, and
don't get caught up in any.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Of the side thoughts that the suit guys like to
say about like giving them what they want.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Don't give them what they want, tell them what they want,
give them what you want, like show them you think
is cool and see if somebody connects. And you know,
if you're being with your honest, with yourself, I think musically,
then something about it is gonna hit. That's been my experience.
It's when you start to get kind of bogged down
by the idea of like, oh, I wonder what this
younger audience might be into today, that you got to
(16:17):
just be authentic and I think that's where age doesn't matter,
and even genre to some degree doesn't matter if it's
from the heart and it's good, like somebody's gonna go ooh,
that's cool.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
So yeah, I think it's amazing.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
That's so cool.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
That is so cool.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Well use up. I think I've gone over time, but
I really appreciate you taking the time to speak with
me today and all as keyways. I'm so excited for
your new album and we can't like to see you.
We need always see you, so thank you so much and.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
To see you very soon.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Yay. You're always You're always on at the top of
my list. So we're we're working on making it happen.
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
From Fallen Life to Afterlife. If an Essence has spent
more than two decades building one of the most distinctive
sounds in rock, and now they're back with a brand
new album called Sanctuary and joining me now is Amy
Lee cureda welcome.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Hi. Thanks, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
It's more than a pleasure. I got to see you
when you opened for Metallica in November, and you know
I love Metallica, but you were the highlight of my night.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Ah. Thanks.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I mean, as one of the biggest concerts I've ever
been to, and your voice is so powerful. It just
filled that arena and it felt.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Like it was quite effortless.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Thank you. We had such a fantastic time.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
I mean, we always love coming out Australia, but being
able to play not only in those huge stadiums like
that was really special.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
That was new for us.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
But to have the contrast of playing those big shows
and then to have a couple of these like intimate
show that we had these little shows on the side
that were like these little club shows. I mean, some
of them were bigger than others, but for the most part,
they're club shows. It felt so good to just like
connect with people both ways the whole time.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
That was a special tour.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah, because it must be different, Hey, when you're doing
what you've saying, that connection with the fence, when you're
trying to connect to like, I don't know how many
thousand people.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
With the yeah, well the stadiums were like between fifty
and eighty every Yeah, so fifty.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Eighty thousand people.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
And then like which is you are very much like okay,
pressures and we go into it going this is Metallica's crowd.
We need to go in and just like nail it
all heavy, blah blah blah. And then you kind of
settle in after the first show and you're like, they're cool,
they like us, we can play my Mortal.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Everything's cool. Just everybody relaxed.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Yeah, but still you're you're playing in a different way
because you're singing to the distance, you know, performing for
the screens as much as you are like for the
people that are right in front of you, so that
the people in the back are seeing that, you know,
and then to hop over and go, okay, wash that
out of your system. Here's the opposite and play you know,
(02:12):
for like a twenty five hundred seat club and like
get in there and be sweaty and just like remember
what it's really about to play a live show, because
I feel like that is it? Like the energy and
the sweat and the connection and everybody in a room together,
like the way it feels to go to a show
when you're a teenager, you know, like you feel that
(02:32):
on stage. Anyway, both were amazing. We had a blast.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
It was so nice to us.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
No, that's good and with pumped feing your album. So
Sanctuary is your first studio album in four years, but
the title Sanctuary is there after listening to your new single,
who Will Follow You? Is what is the maining behind
the title and the album for you?
Speaker 3 (02:54):
It's there's always more than one, but the song is
where we're at, like the world, like.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
The absolute constant feed of lies and advertisements being shoved
in our faces and the way they're we're being polarized
like against each other as well. The world is tumultuous
and chaotic and violent and horrifying, but it is not
going to consume our soul, not if we claim it.
(03:27):
Not if we claim sanctuary in humanity in each other
and find ourselves in a place where we can.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Rise up because we are so powerful, so powerful.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
And I think that music is just, I mean, the
prime way I've seen people come together, the thing that
is the catalyst that makes us all emote and express
and share and connect our energy, like our strength, our
energy comes through in that love.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
And love is powerful. And I remember I was saying.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
That on stage during the Metallica shows, like love is powerful,
Like look at this, why are we all here? Thousands
and thousands of people gathered in this place like to
be next to strangers and scream at the top of
our lungs together and cry because we're human and that
is the best of us. So if music can be
(04:20):
the thing, you know, at least one of the things
that brings us together to shine that power.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Like I'm so happy to be doing what I'm doing,
and music is my sanctuary.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
So who we follow and the album and the title
and all that, that's what it's all about.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
So on your and your album, you worked with Jordan
and Zech and what did they bring out of ethany
sense creatively? What did they get out of you that that.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Was such a fateful connection. I met Jordan through Bring
the Horizon, we did a collab and then we got
together to perform that collab at download and we really
got a chance to meet them, like in twenty twenty three,
I think, uh. And I remember at the end of
that process, at the end of that night of download,
(05:09):
I looked at him and I was.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Just like, we're supposed to make music together.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Like I don't know why, I just know, and he
was like okay. And like a year went by and
we're both busy with our own lives and our own thing.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
But uh. Then Zach Sorvini, like I mean, he is
just like ruling it.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Like everything he touches is so cool. So we're fans
of his anyway. And then he came in and mixed
Afterlife that we did for the Netflix Double Make Right thing,
and right around the same time, like he called me
and he was just like, hey, you want to just
like go on the studio, like just like try something
like let's see if see if we can come up
(05:46):
with something cool. Uh.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
And I was like, yeah, that's a great idea. And
he was like, I want to bring my friend.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Jordan Fish and I was like, okay, universe perfect, that's
exactly what's supposed to happen. I'm gonna bring my friend,
my guitar player, Troy, and we'll just get in there
and see what happens, which is always kind of scary,
like just going to with new people and that's not
really my vibe.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
I'm usually like I have to do.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
It all, I have to get it only the band,
and this was just it's just been such a season
of yes and like I want to see what you
hear and what you bring to the table, and yeah,
I want to know. And we got in there and
just day one was like immediate energy, immediate connection, immediate
great creation. We had the majority of tell me when
(06:29):
you had enough at the end of the day, and
then the next day it was like the core of
the title track, and it was just one of those
things where was like, Okay, this is where we're supposed
to be in this moment, and this is fantastic, and
we need to do whatever it takes, cancel plans, whatever,
to like be right here for a minute. So it
(06:49):
was sort of the core of the album I feel like,
was like really redeveloped in that moment. There's a bunch
of music from different times and different places in different phases,
but they what they brought was just new, beautiful collaborative energy.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
And also like an element of.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
Seeing and like loving and respecting the band, like on
a level.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
That like.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
It's cool to be able to look at evanescence outside
myself and I can do that through their eyes. So
for me, I have to be to some degree like
our biggest critic. It's up to me, like fix everything
anyone might criticize before it happens, before it goes out
in the world, and like to be able to let
that go and like see the whole thing through the
(07:36):
eyes of love, like through the eyes of a fan,
the eyes of somebody who was inspired by it as
well as went on to do their own amazing thing.
I don't know that kind of like was a superpower.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Yeah, I mean that must be. Is it pretty unusual
to be able to go into a season like saying
with two people you e'ven never with before and have
a song at the end of the day like that.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
That's rare for me. Yeah, yeah, it was.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
And I remember just being like we got in the
car at Troy and I had a little rental car
and we were staying at the hotel and We're headed
back in the rental car at the end of this
whirlwind day where it just came out so fast and
so good, Like we're just so excited about the thing
we just wrote, and we were heading back to the
hotel and I was just like, how are we going
to do that tomorrow because we had six days?
Speaker 3 (08:23):
And he was like, I don't know. And we got
in the car and I literally was like worried about it.
It's like, I'm not gonna be able to bring that again,
Like I don't know what just happened.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
But that was cool, and we got back in there
the next day and it totally happened again.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Yeah, Yeah, that's cool. So be cause you were talking
about trying to be on the outside looking in to
effany sense, But how do you separate yourself from your
persona of Amile on stage as to just Amy Lee
just every day amy me on.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Stage is still me, yeah, all the way.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
But I think that, like I'm definitely a lot better
at stepping outside myself and viewing it kind of more
loosely and objectively, Like when it comes to articles, stuff
on the internet, whatever, people understanding me that have never
met me, I don't care like I used to care when.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Fallen came out.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
I was twenty one, twenty one years young, and that
was hard. It was really hard to feel like my
whole job after the album was done was just to
allow people to criticize and judge and talk about me
and speculate, even if it wasn't negative, it's just speculation
about it, just personal weird, and I think especially when
(09:43):
you're younger, that's like I felt so overexposed and misunderstood,
just constantly, just misunderstood, like they don't.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Know me, but they don't have to.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
They really don't like and I think that that is
the point of the music. It's for me, Like the
more honest and the more sides and aspects not only
to myself, but like to this music vision that we
have as a group, like the more that they can
see that picture. But at the same time, like it
(10:13):
isn't the whole me, and that's kind of a good thing,
Like I'm allowed to just be this person, which is
just as much the real me is the one that's
on stage, but it's.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Not the same.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Like aren't we all so many colors? And I don't
need I don't need the whole world to know me.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
All the way, ye, Like it's okay, I don't know
them all the way either. They could talk all it well.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
It's like actually not about me and understanding me and
my life and my d that's all in there for me.
But the cooler part is when people take the music
and feel it in their own heart and apply it
to their own circumstances and their own lives and like
take that to hopefully be some something good for them,
(10:54):
something cathartic, something inspiring, something that pulled them off the edge.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Maybe any of those things.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Those are all that's that's so much more beautiful than
them understanding me.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Yeah, And are you mindful of that when you are
performing and you know that a lot of your songs,
especially like My Immortal and Bring Me to Life, those
songs have been parts of you know, people's love stories,
people's heartbreak. So when you were putting that on stage
for you know, like when you were first performing them,
they were your songs and now they've become the songs
of everyone else. Is there sort of an emotional I
(11:26):
don't know, I don't know what the word, but when
you're putting it out there, there's some sort of I
wouldn't say a weight. I guess there is a weight
to it, But how does it feel.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
I feel all of it. I feel all of it
like and it's so true. Like in the beginning it's
like it's about me, I gotta do it right now,
it's more like, Wow, this is about so much more
than that.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
This has been so many people's story that is a
humbling thing.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Like I really feel like it has been just an
incredible gift and incredible blessing to be able to be
a part of the delivery of this thing that is
way bigger than myself. And yeah, I've become part of
the fabric of people's lives. I do recognize that that's
something that you can't have starting out, and that is
something that makes me have so much more joy and
(12:18):
fun now on stage and doing everything we do with
this band and I could possibly had when I was
twenty one.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Yeah, that's so cool. A. I was also reading that
you did a collaboration with spirit Box with Courtney and Poppy.
What was that like as a female? I mean, because
you know, I really appreciate woman who rock hard and yeah,
I know, you know, in the eighties it was a
lot of women in rock, but I just feel in
(12:46):
the nineties as well. But it's really cool and really
refreshing to see you collaborating with more women. How does
is it exciting for you to see more of this happening?
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Yes, yes, together we are powerful like every way, and
you know, saying to somebody earlier, like when I think
about like what makes me feel strong and what makes
me feel brave, it's other women, like whether together or
supporting me or me supporting them, Like when we're together,
(13:18):
I feel strong like that, and just seeing women be
brave and seeing women on stage fully powerful, fully hair blowing,
like that's what makes me feel inspired. So to be
able to you know, and also just like as a
listener as a fan, like I love those I love
(13:38):
listening to spirit Box, I love Poppy, Like it's cool
to be able to just work with people that you
like in general, whatever their gender. But there's this added
element to being a woman and being a woman in
heavy music because we are still a bit of a rarity,
less than we used to be. Like used to be
like finding a unicorn in the wild to find another one,
(14:00):
but now it's like, hey, yeah, we're on the team, right,
Like we're the team together, like we get.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Things guys don't get, and we need each other, so
let's get together. I love that.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
I love being able to bring us together to just
join forces and empower each other and be strong.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
And also I love the music they make, so.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
It's cool to be able to lift up other artists
that I think are making great art. So we had
a blast doing that collab. I'm very excited tour with
both of them this year. I don't know, I here's
so many more. I feel like the more of us
there are, the more of us there will be, so like,
just keep pushing it forward.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yeah, I say, because definitely having more you know, as
a as a woman and an audience who really appreciates music,
saying more woman on stage is only gonna inspire and
influence famous musicians. And with Afterlife from Devil My Cryll,
with Netflix, it's a whole new audience that you know,
it's a younger platform. You've gone huge on TikTok and
(15:01):
that you know generally is a younger platform. So that's
kind of co knowing that you've got an influence on
a whole new generation.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
It is cool.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
It is cool, and I think that like just the
crossing of the two worlds between Devil Maker Eye and
like our band was smart and cool, Like that's just
that was a good idea.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
I wasn't my idea.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
It was another universe thing that came to me, like
Netflix and Alex Severer that was really his song and
then bringing us into it and it's snowballing into a
full on evanescent song and everything that happened with that.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Again, Like for me, like the mantra.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Has always been just make music you love, period, Make
great music that makes me excited that I love, and
don't get caught up in any.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Of the side thoughts that the suit guys like to
say about like giving them what they want.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Don't give them what they want, tell them what they want,
give them what you want, like show them you think
is cool and see if somebody connects. And you know,
if you're being with your honest, with yourself, I think musically,
then something about it is gonna hit. That's been my experience.
It's when you start to get kind of bogged down
by the idea of like, oh, I wonder what this
younger audience might be into today, that you got to
(16:17):
just be authentic and I think that's where age doesn't matter,
and even genre to some degree doesn't matter if it's
from the heart and it's good, like somebody's gonna go ooh,
that's cool.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
So yeah, I think it's amazing.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
That's so cool.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
That is so cool.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Well use up. I think I've gone over time, but
I really appreciate you taking the time to speak with
me today and all as keyways. I'm so excited for
your new album and we can't like to see you.
We need always see you, so thank you so much and.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
To see you very soon.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Yay. You're always You're always on at the top of
my list. So we're we're working on making it happen.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
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