May 11, 2026 • 13 mins
Ahead of his New Zealand return this November, Jack Johnson called up talk surf trips, life on the road with mates and what to expect when he hits Aotearoa with Ben Harper and John Butler for the Surfilmusic tour.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome, so Radio Hooke's Off the Record podcast with Big Sandy's.
I'm very excited because I've got one of my favorite
musicians with me right now. Jack Johnson Welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Yeah, thanks so much, appreciate you having me on.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
I just realized that I think I've somehow seen every
show that you've done in christ Church since two thousand
and three. I saw you with g Love and zeb
RUDJ in christ Church and I think it was just
as the surf rock folk rock music scene was sort
of exploding for you. Was it just like a massive
road trip with your buddies doing all your three loves,
(00:42):
surf music and film it.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Well, yeah, I mean it always is. I've been really
lucky because I think partly when I first started coming
out on the road, it was with Ben Harper, which
I'm excited because he's going to be on the road
with us this time. But that very first tour I
did was opening for Ben Harper, and it didn't feel
like you got the opening slot for this other band.
(01:06):
It felt more like a traveling group of friends. They
just really welcomed us and like let us hang out.
There was no separation backstage between the bands or anything.
So that was kind of how I learned to tour.
It just felt like that's the way it was supposed
to be a natural And I toured with g Love
a little bit early days, and same thing, you know,
he just sort of it was like one big fun
party backstage, and the days off it was we were
(01:29):
always looking to hang out and go find surf. And
so that's kind of how it's always been. And I've
always tried to bring bands around that are friends. It's
a lot of times we'll kind of choose just friends
over any kind of like numbers. Sometimes people want to
tell you like who would be a big bill for
you and stuff, and I don't know, for us, it's
always been more important to be have friends on the road. Yeah, long,
(01:51):
long answer to your question. It's it always does feel
like a group of friends traveling around and trying to
find surf and playing music.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
And so when you were planning you TOOS, you look
at the surf spots first, You're going to be like, yeah,
there's some six surf happening here. If we can, like
if we book this VINU, it means and we might
be able to get some left handers at lunchtime, sort
of deal.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, I would say it's not how we book every
single venue, but we definitely look at the whole tour
and try to make sure that we have enough of
those stops, and especially you know, somewhere like New Zealand
and even Australia, there's so many waves and it's pretty
easy to find surf. Sometimes if we're traveling elsewhere, we
will book a random show way over on the coast,
(02:30):
just so we can get out there and have a
little break on the tour.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I guess having that good, solid crew that you can
surf with and jam with it's pretty rare these days.
I mean back in the early two thousands when, like
you say, when you open for being Harper, could you
imagine that this would be your life for the next
twenty years, just jam and surfing, traveling the world.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
I mean, it honestly felt like one summer that I
was going to get to tell my kids about someday.
And it was just so much fun and it felt
really natural. Like as the tour went on, I think
by the end of the tour it kind of felt like, oh,
maybe this is something we could kind of go out
and do, at least on a small level. We started
having a lot of the promoters when we were opening
for Ben would say, hey, you should come back and
(03:12):
play like the small club in town, and so we
you know, went back out. We did that, and it
just kind of kept growing. It always it was a
lot of work, and it felt like everybody in my
band had a really good work ethic. It was as
much as it feels like fun, there's a lot of
times when we're getting lack of sleep and driving really
far and loading all your gear in the next day.
So you do got to stick with it and have
(03:33):
a strong worth work ethic. And I think for us
it felt like it just always kept growing at a
little bit, you know, a nice slow rate, but it
was always growing and so kind of kept us motivated
to keep trying, and we felt we were lucky.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Yeah, because this time with help me pronounce this because
I say that it's a The name of your tour
is surf film Music kind of almost together, so your
three loves so surf film music to it.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Yeah. It was this documentary we were working on and
there was three parts to it. It was like the
first part was the kind of the surf and then
there was the film in the middle, and there was music,
and it wasn't really meant to be the title, but
we kind of had like these sticky notes up on
a board with all the stuff and it was surfilm music.
One day we realized that all the words could blend together,
and it was kind of a funny little gimmick, but
(04:19):
I really liked it. And then a friend of mine,
Jeff Cannon, did a layout where he kind of showed
this kind of rainbow where he blended all together, and
we just rolled with it. And so, yeah, on the tour,
we're going to be projecting things behind us at times
and kind of like, you know, responding to the video
this behind us with the music, and decided to kind
of just keep that surf film music vibe. Rolin.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
So I was integrating all three loves at once, because
you had two other surf films that you've created over
the years when you were planning those albums or tours.
Was it the film that came first, or was it
the music or did it all just kind of organically
happen at the same time.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yeah, the beginning was really I was I grew up surfing,
surfings my first love, and then found myself getting invited
when I after I went to film school, I got
invited to start coming out on the trips with all
my old friends, and so I was documenting those trips
and making the surf films. It was kind of the
perfect life. I was getting to work on something I love.
But then I was getting the surf. When the sun
(05:18):
would go down, like when the light wasn't good, that
was the time I'd surf. That felt like my path,
and I was on this path I couldn't believe already.
And then the music thing was almost this weird little
curveball that just like I said, I got that opportunity
to be on one of G Love's records, and I
got the opportunity to go out and tour Ben Harper,
and it just sort of that kept growing and we
(05:40):
followed that. But any one of those I love all
three of those things. So I was happy working like
doing any of those for a job, got a chance
to try them all a little bit.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
I feel like there's a in the two thousands when
the surf rock folk music came about, it was a
perfect timing. Like I was heating over a to By
and By blues vestival and I was watching different bands
like z Jnovan, Frankin Ryder, all of these bands playing
at the Bay and Bay Blues Fest. You got the surf,
You've got this. I don't know, it's like a moment
in time, but it's like the music hasn't aged, the
(06:10):
audiences have, but there's new generations coming up that are
appreciating your music, hearing it for the first time. And
so for this gig that you're doing, the two gigs
that you're doing in November with them, so you've got
John Butler, Ben Harpert and yourself, there's going to be
the old school audience, but a whole new audience as well.
That's going to be exciting for you.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
We'll be exciting. Yeah, I'm really pretty pumped for all
these shows. And it's it is funny, like the two
compliments I get the most, which are really sweet. Well,
one is that it's the one you're the musician that
our whole family can kind of agree on. So I
feel like I'm probably not like always the kids or
the teenagers like favorite band, but it's like the one
(06:51):
that they don't complain of their parents put it on,
I guess, and so I get that compliment. And then
the other one is that people use my music a
lot to put their kids to sleep, And I never
know how to take that one. It's always like, does
that mean it's just like so boring and it's putting
kids to sleep around the world, But you can't complain.
I'll take both those and I'm happy to. It's just
any compliment.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
It's just good vibes. It's just such a I mean,
you know, if I'm even going through a bit of
a hard time, it's like, what do I feel like
listening to always gravitate towards your music and it just
it's just so uplifting and just kind of calms me.
And I feel like that's what that'd be putting as
a lullaby, you know, as a nice, beautiful lullabye to
love their children into like really good head space. But
(07:32):
when you're doing when you're planning your seatless or what
you're going to be, Oh, no, you've got new material,
but are the shunes that the audience would definitely be
disappointed that you didn't play? Is the pressure to play
the older chunes?
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Or you know, I'm always like I'm kind of sucker
for just like putting on a party where everybody feels
really good. So I tend to if I talk to
people that day and they asked me to play songs
because we, you know, we always try to get out
in the day, either get down to the beach if
we're near one, or like get out in the park
or walk around or just the city or whatever, and
I run into people all day long and people give
(08:08):
me requests, and so I try my best to always
play those songs. But then, yeah, there's certain songs where
I can kind of feel that, like you drop into it.
And it's interesting how it goes because you put all
these songs out in the world and certain ones mean
more to people because they've had experiences like road trips
or maybe falling in love and that was a song
that was important for that. And so you can kind
(08:30):
of feel it when you play the songs. You know,
like there's a song better together we have and when
we drop into that song's you can almost feel all
those stories. You can feel the experiences and things I
don't know. And it's kind of neat when you write
a song and it feels like yours in the beginning,
but once you put it out to the world, becomes
everybody's song, anybody who kind of you know, has listened
to it, and so we just feel lucky to have
(08:52):
a few of those songs that people respond to, and
we're always happy to play those.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Yeah, And I guess you know, like you said, when
you drop into a song you're doing your gigs, is
do you kind of experience it like surfing a wave,
Like you kind of start like a wave, you have
to kind of build out to it, and then you
kind of in the barrel and then as it peters,
you know, like the tide comes in, the tide comes out.
It's like that rhythm of as you're doing your music.
Is that sort of something then? True?
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Yeah, you can't just get barreled for the whole gig,
you know what I mean, Like nobody can stay at
the two that long. And so it is true. It's
like we kind of talk about it as a band
and it changes all the time, like difference. It's we
try to mix it up because you can get a
little bored if you Sometimes you might feel like you
found the perfect set and then you try it again
the next night. It just doesn't have the same feel
because you're just like surfing your improvising. You're kind of
(09:40):
like as you're responding to the wave when you're surfing,
and you're kind of responding to the crowd as you're playing.
Can you try a certain song and you might feel like,
oh they want that's not the energy everybody's looking for tonight.
So you kind of we make a lot of audibles
we call on stage where you just sort of change
what the next songs are. And well, I'm lucky. I've
played with the same band for or like twenty six
(10:01):
twenty seven years now. Even the piano player, we know
he chose us. We're eighteen, and so anyways, I can
like just start a song and the band will drop in,
like I don't have to tell them which one it's
going to be or anything anymore. It's we're really lucky
because we're real flexible on stage.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Yeah, it's cool that you can go with the flow
of the vibe of the audience and not be like
so stuck into a rigid set. It's just like, yeah, cool,
this is the tone I reckon the vibing on this.
Let's like you're so in tune with your music, and
like you say, having a band that's been playing with
you for so long you can just drop into that
next track and will you be having And you know,
(10:36):
I know that when I've seen you play live before,
when Ben's been playing, You've gone out and played with him.
So is that going to be what the audience can expect,
like some collaborations on stage with John and Ben as well.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Oh yeah, definitely. That's my favorite part of the whole
thing's just getting to collaborate with other bands. And you know,
like that when you're at festivals and you run into
people that you really admire, or like maybe you just
hear a band for the first time, but you love them,
and so like everybody in my band, we all kind
of just look forward to having people up and jamming
and it kind of makes the night feel fresh and
(11:09):
new to us too. And so yeah, we'll definitely be
collaborating with both Ben and John and excited for the
whole night.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Yeah, we can't wait to have you back over here,
because it's been what four years, three or four years
since you were last here.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah, it has been a while and we're definitely excited
to get back. It's been too long.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
And November it's a good time. I mean, the weather's good,
hopefully the surf is good for you guys. Is there
any competition between you and all the other musicians for waves?
I don't know, competitive edges to who's going to get
the best wave? And if you get the best wave,
do you get the best vibe for the night? I
don't know. Is there some sort of na that's a
good question.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Not necessarily, I'd say there's the best one of all
of all the surfer musicians, Donovan Franklin Rider is pretty good.
Like he would probably win any heat. I'd probably get second.
That's a big claim. I can't believe it has claimed that.
But now me and Donovan's like both of us kind
of grew up where like surfing was the first thing
in our life and music was always kind of a
(12:07):
side thing. We actually, Donovan I started learning chords together
in the beginning too. And anyways, like Ben, what I
love about like traveling with Ben for instance, like he's
a musician at heart, and it's like his whole soul
is about music, and then surfing, eskateboarding and stuff is
like his hobbies that he kind of does to escape.
And then for me it's like the opposite. Surfing's everything
(12:27):
and music's almost my escape. So our relationship is great.
I always say, like on the very first tour, he
was like my big brother on the road that was
like showing me how it all works. And then on
the days off, if we were somewhere near a beach,
like in Byron Bay, I was the one that had
all the phone numbers to borrow boards and wetsuits and stuff,
and so yeah, no no competition. It's always his sharing
waves and sharing songs.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Excellent, sheld Be. Yeah, thank you so much for your time.
And we're really looking forward to seeing you and christ
It and Auckland when you come here in November with
being and with John.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Yeah, thanks so much. I push you having me on.
We're excited to be down there. Hopefully we get to see.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Each other and chrast your there'd be amazing.
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Welcome, so Radio Hooke's Off the Record podcast with Big Sandy's.
I'm very excited because I've got one of my favorite
musicians with me right now. Jack Johnson Welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Yeah, thanks so much, appreciate you having me on.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
I just realized that I think I've somehow seen every
show that you've done in christ Church since two thousand
and three. I saw you with g Love and zeb
RUDJ in christ Church and I think it was just
as the surf rock folk rock music scene was sort
of exploding for you. Was it just like a massive
road trip with your buddies doing all your three loves,
(00:42):
surf music and film it.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Well, yeah, I mean it always is. I've been really
lucky because I think partly when I first started coming
out on the road, it was with Ben Harper, which
I'm excited because he's going to be on the road
with us this time. But that very first tour I
did was opening for Ben Harper, and it didn't feel
like you got the opening slot for this other band.
(01:06):
It felt more like a traveling group of friends. They
just really welcomed us and like let us hang out.
There was no separation backstage between the bands or anything.
So that was kind of how I learned to tour.
It just felt like that's the way it was supposed
to be a natural And I toured with g Love
a little bit early days, and same thing, you know,
he just sort of it was like one big fun
party backstage, and the days off it was we were
(01:29):
always looking to hang out and go find surf. And
so that's kind of how it's always been. And I've
always tried to bring bands around that are friends. It's
a lot of times we'll kind of choose just friends
over any kind of like numbers. Sometimes people want to
tell you like who would be a big bill for
you and stuff, and I don't know, for us, it's
always been more important to be have friends on the road. Yeah, long,
(01:51):
long answer to your question. It's it always does feel
like a group of friends traveling around and trying to
find surf and playing music.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
And so when you were planning you TOOS, you look
at the surf spots first, You're going to be like, yeah,
there's some six surf happening here. If we can, like
if we book this VINU, it means and we might
be able to get some left handers at lunchtime, sort
of deal.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, I would say it's not how we book every
single venue, but we definitely look at the whole tour
and try to make sure that we have enough of
those stops, and especially you know, somewhere like New Zealand
and even Australia, there's so many waves and it's pretty
easy to find surf. Sometimes if we're traveling elsewhere, we
will book a random show way over on the coast,
(02:30):
just so we can get out there and have a
little break on the tour.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I guess having that good, solid crew that you can
surf with and jam with it's pretty rare these days.
I mean back in the early two thousands when, like
you say, when you open for being Harper, could you
imagine that this would be your life for the next
twenty years, just jam and surfing, traveling the world.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
I mean, it honestly felt like one summer that I
was going to get to tell my kids about someday.
And it was just so much fun and it felt
really natural. Like as the tour went on, I think
by the end of the tour it kind of felt like, oh,
maybe this is something we could kind of go out
and do, at least on a small level. We started
having a lot of the promoters when we were opening
for Ben would say, hey, you should come back and
(03:12):
play like the small club in town, and so we
you know, went back out. We did that, and it
just kind of kept growing. It always it was a
lot of work, and it felt like everybody in my
band had a really good work ethic. It was as
much as it feels like fun, there's a lot of
times when we're getting lack of sleep and driving really
far and loading all your gear in the next day.
So you do got to stick with it and have
(03:33):
a strong worth work ethic. And I think for us
it felt like it just always kept growing at a
little bit, you know, a nice slow rate, but it
was always growing and so kind of kept us motivated
to keep trying, and we felt we were lucky.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Yeah, because this time with help me pronounce this because
I say that it's a The name of your tour
is surf film Music kind of almost together, so your
three loves so surf film music to it.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Yeah. It was this documentary we were working on and
there was three parts to it. It was like the
first part was the kind of the surf and then
there was the film in the middle, and there was music,
and it wasn't really meant to be the title, but
we kind of had like these sticky notes up on
a board with all the stuff and it was surfilm music.
One day we realized that all the words could blend together,
and it was kind of a funny little gimmick, but
(04:19):
I really liked it. And then a friend of mine,
Jeff Cannon, did a layout where he kind of showed
this kind of rainbow where he blended all together, and
we just rolled with it. And so, yeah, on the tour,
we're going to be projecting things behind us at times
and kind of like, you know, responding to the video
this behind us with the music, and decided to kind
of just keep that surf film music vibe. Rolin.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
So I was integrating all three loves at once, because
you had two other surf films that you've created over
the years when you were planning those albums or tours.
Was it the film that came first, or was it
the music or did it all just kind of organically
happen at the same time.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yeah, the beginning was really I was I grew up surfing,
surfings my first love, and then found myself getting invited
when I after I went to film school, I got
invited to start coming out on the trips with all
my old friends, and so I was documenting those trips
and making the surf films. It was kind of the
perfect life. I was getting to work on something I love.
But then I was getting the surf. When the sun
(05:18):
would go down, like when the light wasn't good, that
was the time I'd surf. That felt like my path,
and I was on this path I couldn't believe already.
And then the music thing was almost this weird little
curveball that just like I said, I got that opportunity
to be on one of G Love's records, and I
got the opportunity to go out and tour Ben Harper,
and it just sort of that kept growing and we
(05:40):
followed that. But any one of those I love all
three of those things. So I was happy working like
doing any of those for a job, got a chance
to try them all a little bit.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
I feel like there's a in the two thousands when
the surf rock folk music came about, it was a
perfect timing. Like I was heating over a to By
and By blues vestival and I was watching different bands
like z Jnovan, Frankin Ryder, all of these bands playing
at the Bay and Bay Blues Fest. You got the surf,
You've got this. I don't know, it's like a moment
in time, but it's like the music hasn't aged, the
(06:10):
audiences have, but there's new generations coming up that are
appreciating your music, hearing it for the first time. And
so for this gig that you're doing, the two gigs
that you're doing in November with them, so you've got
John Butler, Ben Harpert and yourself, there's going to be
the old school audience, but a whole new audience as well.
That's going to be exciting for you.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
We'll be exciting. Yeah, I'm really pretty pumped for all
these shows. And it's it is funny, like the two
compliments I get the most, which are really sweet. Well,
one is that it's the one you're the musician that
our whole family can kind of agree on. So I
feel like I'm probably not like always the kids or
the teenagers like favorite band, but it's like the one
(06:51):
that they don't complain of their parents put it on,
I guess, and so I get that compliment. And then
the other one is that people use my music a
lot to put their kids to sleep, And I never
know how to take that one. It's always like, does
that mean it's just like so boring and it's putting
kids to sleep around the world, But you can't complain.
I'll take both those and I'm happy to. It's just
any compliment.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
It's just good vibes. It's just such a I mean,
you know, if I'm even going through a bit of
a hard time, it's like, what do I feel like
listening to always gravitate towards your music and it just
it's just so uplifting and just kind of calms me.
And I feel like that's what that'd be putting as
a lullaby, you know, as a nice, beautiful lullabye to
love their children into like really good head space. But
(07:32):
when you're doing when you're planning your seatless or what
you're going to be, Oh, no, you've got new material,
but are the shunes that the audience would definitely be
disappointed that you didn't play? Is the pressure to play
the older chunes?
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Or you know, I'm always like I'm kind of sucker
for just like putting on a party where everybody feels
really good. So I tend to if I talk to
people that day and they asked me to play songs
because we, you know, we always try to get out
in the day, either get down to the beach if
we're near one, or like get out in the park
or walk around or just the city or whatever, and
I run into people all day long and people give
(08:08):
me requests, and so I try my best to always
play those songs. But then, yeah, there's certain songs where
I can kind of feel that, like you drop into it.
And it's interesting how it goes because you put all
these songs out in the world and certain ones mean
more to people because they've had experiences like road trips
or maybe falling in love and that was a song
that was important for that. And so you can kind
(08:30):
of feel it when you play the songs. You know,
like there's a song better together we have and when
we drop into that song's you can almost feel all
those stories. You can feel the experiences and things I
don't know. And it's kind of neat when you write
a song and it feels like yours in the beginning,
but once you put it out to the world, becomes
everybody's song, anybody who kind of you know, has listened
to it, and so we just feel lucky to have
(08:52):
a few of those songs that people respond to, and
we're always happy to play those.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Yeah, And I guess you know, like you said, when
you drop into a song you're doing your gigs, is
do you kind of experience it like surfing a wave,
Like you kind of start like a wave, you have
to kind of build out to it, and then you
kind of in the barrel and then as it peters,
you know, like the tide comes in, the tide comes out.
It's like that rhythm of as you're doing your music.
Is that sort of something then? True?
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Yeah, you can't just get barreled for the whole gig,
you know what I mean, Like nobody can stay at
the two that long. And so it is true. It's
like we kind of talk about it as a band
and it changes all the time, like difference. It's we
try to mix it up because you can get a
little bored if you Sometimes you might feel like you
found the perfect set and then you try it again
the next night. It just doesn't have the same feel
because you're just like surfing your improvising. You're kind of
(09:40):
like as you're responding to the wave when you're surfing,
and you're kind of responding to the crowd as you're playing.
Can you try a certain song and you might feel like,
oh they want that's not the energy everybody's looking for tonight.
So you kind of we make a lot of audibles
we call on stage where you just sort of change
what the next songs are. And well, I'm lucky. I've
played with the same band for or like twenty six
(10:01):
twenty seven years now. Even the piano player, we know
he chose us. We're eighteen, and so anyways, I can
like just start a song and the band will drop in,
like I don't have to tell them which one it's
going to be or anything anymore. It's we're really lucky
because we're real flexible on stage.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Yeah, it's cool that you can go with the flow
of the vibe of the audience and not be like
so stuck into a rigid set. It's just like, yeah, cool,
this is the tone I reckon the vibing on this.
Let's like you're so in tune with your music, and
like you say, having a band that's been playing with
you for so long you can just drop into that
next track and will you be having And you know,
(10:36):
I know that when I've seen you play live before,
when Ben's been playing, You've gone out and played with him.
So is that going to be what the audience can expect,
like some collaborations on stage with John and Ben as well.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Oh yeah, definitely. That's my favorite part of the whole
thing's just getting to collaborate with other bands. And you know,
like that when you're at festivals and you run into
people that you really admire, or like maybe you just
hear a band for the first time, but you love them,
and so like everybody in my band, we all kind
of just look forward to having people up and jamming
and it kind of makes the night feel fresh and
(11:09):
new to us too. And so yeah, we'll definitely be
collaborating with both Ben and John and excited for the
whole night.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Yeah, we can't wait to have you back over here,
because it's been what four years, three or four years
since you were last here.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah, it has been a while and we're definitely excited
to get back. It's been too long.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
And November it's a good time. I mean, the weather's good,
hopefully the surf is good for you guys. Is there
any competition between you and all the other musicians for waves?
I don't know, competitive edges to who's going to get
the best wave? And if you get the best wave,
do you get the best vibe for the night? I
don't know. Is there some sort of na that's a
good question.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Not necessarily, I'd say there's the best one of all
of all the surfer musicians, Donovan Franklin Rider is pretty good.
Like he would probably win any heat. I'd probably get second.
That's a big claim. I can't believe it has claimed that.
But now me and Donovan's like both of us kind
of grew up where like surfing was the first thing
in our life and music was always kind of a
(12:07):
side thing. We actually, Donovan I started learning chords together
in the beginning too. And anyways, like Ben, what I
love about like traveling with Ben for instance, like he's
a musician at heart, and it's like his whole soul
is about music, and then surfing, eskateboarding and stuff is
like his hobbies that he kind of does to escape.
And then for me it's like the opposite. Surfing's everything
(12:27):
and music's almost my escape. So our relationship is great.
I always say, like on the very first tour, he
was like my big brother on the road that was
like showing me how it all works. And then on
the days off, if we were somewhere near a beach,
like in Byron Bay, I was the one that had
all the phone numbers to borrow boards and wetsuits and stuff,
and so yeah, no no competition. It's always his sharing
waves and sharing songs.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Excellent, sheld Be. Yeah, thank you so much for your time.
And we're really looking forward to seeing you and christ
It and Auckland when you come here in November with
being and with John.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Yeah, thanks so much. I push you having me on.
We're excited to be down there. Hopefully we get to see.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Each other and chrast your there'd be amazing.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
All right, you take care radio Hold Aches off the
Record podcast.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
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Speaker 2 (13:14):
Thanks mate.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
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