March 19, 2026 • 14 mins
Split Enz are back on the road again, Neil Fin called up to chat about getting the band back together, how the dynamics have changed over the years; the recent Christchurch show and the ones still to come..
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome to Radio Off the Record podcast with Jeremy Wells
and Many Stewart.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Have you met Maniah?
Speaker 1 (00:10):
I don't know, but my grandson's name is Manyah, so
I'm very very happy to meet another Maniah powerful.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Yes, I'm happy to hear grandson as well. With far
out numbered, there's far more female Manias than males.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
I know there's a few. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
And the other thing that you would be well used to,
and unfortunately happens to our grandson and I who is
that on the page?
Speaker 4 (00:31):
It was written down as mania?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Oh god?
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Is that on his birth certificate?
Speaker 4 (00:38):
No, it's he's Manaiah.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
But he often gets you know, like if people write
his name, they often write mania.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
This happens to me almost daily, Neil. I tell them
that mania is a mental disorder, I would.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Assume, and I would sympathize with you, empathize.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Actually, yeah, it's all of the vowels. It's just I
think I believe you're as get a bit freaked out
when they see three vows together. It just makes us
get you.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
And also now I had a connection from a lovely
woman in Sydney for this call, and she didn't know
how to say Horeki either, so it was kind of
gets quite confusing.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Often a lot of people think that I were for
an Evy station, But I tell people when they struggle
with my name, like Mania Twain and then and then
it collecks for them.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
That's a good one. I'll tell our Maniah about that one.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Yes, Mania Twain will serve them. Well, Neil, who was
it that made the initial call to get the band
back together?
Speaker 4 (01:37):
How did God?
Speaker 1 (01:37):
I can't even actually remember the moment, except that we
did a thing last year in my studio where we
got together to kind of play for a while and
we invited the old members in. We were filming for
what potentially will be a split end Stoco, and we
just slipped into it so effortlessly and so easily that
it became some of the So it became talked about,
(01:58):
and then somebody came to us with a offer. Was
for Electric Avenue was the offer that came through management,
and it just felt like the right time. Somehow it
just clicked with the moment. So yeah, we said yes
to that. And then of course once we had that
was that one show is going to be a bit weird.
Maybe we should do do a few more, you know,
(02:18):
just to get the old girl really up and running.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
What was what was electric? Gave like?
Speaker 1 (02:25):
It was amazing we had It was the first show
in seventeenth year. It was our thousandth show. It's hard
to say that. Actually Noel reminded us somebody had.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Told him, but we hadn't. And we playing forty.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Thousand people on a size a stage the size of
you know, Coachella, and with our new costumes, and it
really went as well as we possibly could have hoped.
All the crowd was singing, they were sort of euphoric,
and I'd say a good proportion of them, if not
the majority, probably weren't even born when the songs were
first written. So it was just an amazing reminder of
(02:59):
what how songs stay in the air, and how they
just travel through the years and accompany people and their
good times and they're bad times. And then we were
able to enjoy it all together. It didn't feel different,
you know, it felt like we were on stage just
like it had always been. And you look out this
audience and they all look like the same, you know,
some of the some of the people were old and
you know, like us, but some of them were lots
(03:21):
of them were real younger like they always were.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
You know, so many hits. How do you decide the
set list? Is that? Does that? Does one person end up?
Do you have to say? Okay? Well, in the end,
we can all make suggestions and then I'm going to
have the final say or does someone have the power
of Vita.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Well, Tim probably would be the one who wrangled this
set list mostly, but we all you know, waited in
for the ones that are the fringe dwellers. We knew
we only had an it of an eighty minute set,
so we were able to do we bang out all
of the hits and then a few of the sort
(03:58):
of songs that they quite well known, like I think
Poor boyd Out that was ever a single, but it
became very well known song, and you know, things that
were so we had to decide on the ones that
were slightly off to the side. When we do a tour,
which we're about to do, we'll be enlarging the setlist.
Tour are longer, so we'll have got it five or
six more songs to add, so a few deep cuts,
(04:19):
maybe a couple of the old songs from the early days.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
But yeah, term is probably at the center of things.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
He sings, you know, more songs than I do, so
he wants to staker claim, but it was a pretty
democratic band. There's a few vetos here and there on
on things, but yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
I've been very, very agreeable. We're getting on really well.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
You mentioned it was your thousandth show. Were you guys
aware of that before that show? Were you sitting on
nine nine nine things? And come on, we're going to
get one more on the record?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Surely?
Speaker 1 (04:52):
No, I mean, Noel was the one. And Noel is
not a statistics guy.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
You know, he's not.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
He sits around in draws and and plays. We had
things with his drum sticks, but he doesn't normally look
at the stats. He came into rehearsal and said, yeah,
do you guys realize it's you know, a thousand shows
coming up?
Speaker 4 (05:10):
We hadn't known that, so yeah, phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
So you've got obviously got Tim and you and Eddies
in there and Knowl's there, man Ecles is in there
as well, and James Milne as well. Lawrence Ape people
know him as Lawrence Arabia. So how did those guys
go Because I imagine Matt and James would have been
shitting their pants. They're about to play with arguably the
(05:33):
biggest New Zealand band in history. Did you have any
words to say to them before they went out there,
just to ease the nerves or did you ramp it
up on purpose.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
I had to give James a hug.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Not long before we went on because I was having
We actually had subtle makeup applied. We didn't do the
full crusty white theatrical makeup because we thought it would
look really bad halfway through the set if we're all
sweating and the makeup was starting to peel and the
craps appear, you know, So we went for some kind
of you know, it's more supple makeup, more like what
you probably have on seven.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
A lot of cake it on and a lot of just.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
To smooth out the rough edges, you know. We stopped
short of shots in the lips and you know. But
sorry now I've got off topic now. But I was
getting my getting my makeup done from a young lady
in Christchurch and I looked out the window and James
was just pacing past the window, gulping huge gops of
the air, and I sensed that he was on the
(06:33):
verge of a panic attack. So I went out and
gave him a nice big hug and told him everything
was going to be okay. And he played a blinder
and he was fine. Once he got on stage. He
was very nervous. Matt I think was very nervous too.
But Matt doesn't he kind of he's quite inscrutable, you know,
it doesn't display it.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
James was clearly very very scared.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
It's freaky. It's a freaky thing. Yeah, I mean, how's
the dynamic change? Obviously it's changed massively since you first
arrived in the band as a teenager. I mean you've
got a lot more clout nowadays. I imagine with not
only your brother, but with the other members of the.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Band, a sort of all.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
I'm still the youngest in Eddie's eyes. He'll still every
now and again motion for me to sit on the
floor so talking to But I won't now. I used to,
you know, that was one of his party tricks, was
a young fella on the floor and he'd given me
a talking to.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
But no, it doesn't work anymore.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
What about you?
Speaker 3 (07:26):
What about your relationship with the songs you mentioned before?
You know, there's some songs that make the playlist. There's
some songs that get vetoed. Does that change over time
as well?
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah, there's discussion about you know, there's certain songs that
will be difficult for different reasons for different people. So
you know, there might be a song that's really hard
for Tim to sing the lyrics of because he doesn't
believe them anymore, or you know, there might be one
that Eddie says, there's no way I'll remember how to
play that, although he always says that, but he always manages.
(07:58):
Usually he's quite an extraordinary musician. As you're you know,
people come to see us play. I hadn't forgotten, but
it was I was newly you know, acquainted with the
wonder of his fancy foot fingerwork. It's just extraordinary, you know,
and he remembered everything.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
In the end. He did put his thumb out.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
He was in some kind of brace before we went on,
but it didn't seem to matter once we got on stage.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Where do you draw the line, like, in terms of
solo stuff and crowded house stuff, do you because people
be wanting you to built out some crowded house stuff,
do you do you go there? Or do you not
go there?
Speaker 1 (08:36):
We don't need to because the Crowded House are out
there doing it as well. So we have done a
couple I've done I Got You on stage with Crowded
House on you know, not every night, but some nights,
and I do Message to my girls some nights as well,
so we do keep some of the couple of those
songs alive.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
But no, the band is very distinct and.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Quite unique in its own ways split in so I
don't think we would need to venture into any other territory.
People are quite happy to get those There's a full
set of really well, you know, well loved songs. So
and we're still doing Crowded House and loving that and
made a new I've got a new record on the go,
so you know, life is full and I'm very feeling,
(09:13):
very grateful.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
So no, no covers in the city either. Is that
something you guys like to have a crowd.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
We've never, we never.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
We occasionally had covers that were just sort of off
the cuff, and he used to do a pretty crazy
version of Feelings that feels.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Not the Deja Voodoo song, I hope No.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
I don't know that one, but I don't know. There
was a well known from America some American artists. Feelings
feelings you know that song? Don't Maybe it's before your time.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
That's hard. I don't know if I do.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
I'm with you, girl, these feelings are love. It's a
belter from the sixties or seventies. Eddie does that.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
And an impossibly hide pitch and he can't he sing,
So it was quite entertaining its own way.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
I interviewed any not long ago, and he and he
was remaster Yeah, what was he remastering? He's well mastering.
I think it was fifty probably was, and he and
he said, I said, oh, is there any any bits
that you've just had to auto tune Tim's voice? You know,
(10:25):
any notes that Tim didn't hit? And and he's like, well,
there actually were a couple of notes. And then when
I spoke to him, I said, you know that did
he told me that there's a couple of that. He said,
I have never I have never hit a flat. I've
never been flat. Never were there not with any moments
that you thought one to come.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
On Tim, I wouldn't contradict him, and I would say
on record, I don't think we had such a thing
as auto tune in those days anyway.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
So I'd say on record, there's not a single.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Note that's been changed in any form. You know, these
days in the studio, you never know what you're listening to.
Everyone bolted down and tuned within an inch of its life,
but not me. I would actually hasten to add I
don't use auto tune either, but.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Yeah, yeah, there's no badge of honor for that. You
don't get sent to black for it or anything. No.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
I think it's I think that's great. I think at
a time when there's a lot of computer stuff, I
think it's nice to have a human but you can
you just know there's something, there's something that you feel
that's human about something. It makes you, makes it, you
warm to it.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Yeah, And even tuning is you know.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
I like some of my favorite vocalists people you swear
singing slightly out of tune. They're very strong, like you know,
Robert Smith from The Cure, maybe David Byrne, Neil Young.
All have that slightly wobbly thing where you don't not
sure whether they're perfectly in tune, but somehow it just
has a beautiful, human reassuring presence.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Yeah, do you feel like that's the way the music
is going to go because now there's so much you know,
as you say, auto tune, but even AI and stuff
like that, I feel like more and more people are
going to want to hear the empathy in the music.
That's sort of what makes it goods the flood notes
and the slightly missed notes, singing and things like that.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
I hope, So, I hope that's the way. I mean, certainly,
no AI actually were going to perform live. Well, actually
Aberra slightly AI now aren't they? But yeah, I mean
it's live music is always going to be great for
that reason because people are going to even though I've
got to say, actually, even though a lot of live
gigs people are using auto tune and fact they're using
tapes still, I think when there's lots of dance moves
(12:27):
to pull off, but we're not. We've got no grid,
we've got no click where it's what you see is
what you hear, is what you get.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Hey, what happens after the shows? Are you guys getting
on it heavily? Did you feel like you needed to
tuck in after Electric EV and christ.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
J Yeah, the four works, jere Me we just went
totally mad.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
We had like seventeen years of partying, shit done on
one night.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
So yeah, I mean I think I think I was.
I think I saw good Night Kiwi on a TV.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
I don't think it even exists anymore, does it?
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Nothing ever stops anymore? This is the thing. Everything just
keeps going.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
It used to be the saddest thing moment on earth
when good Night ki We came on. I thought that
New Zealand was going. It wasn't acceptable to be awake
after the TV finished.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
There's something about the hauntingness of the of the organ
as well.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
It's it's beautiful, though it is beautiful, it's sad and
melancholy and I love sound.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
It's sad and melancholy. But we used to come at
that point.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
We were living in Australia and they had all night
movies and they had like Rage on the weekends and everything,
and we'd come back to New Zealand and stay with
Sharon's mum and then good Night key we come on.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
We were in a late cycle and we just it
just felt so sad. Better not to do.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
That's like I said, the sun come up after a
big night out. All right, right, that's enough, right, Hey,
hey Neil, lovely to chat to you and and really
looking forward to you seeing you guys play. Thanks for
chatting to us, It's always a great pleasure.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Thanks Jeremy, Thanks Maniah, you have a good day.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Have you met Maniah?
Speaker 1 (00:10):
I don't know, but my grandson's name is Manyah, so
I'm very very happy to meet another Maniah powerful.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Yes, I'm happy to hear grandson as well. With far
out numbered, there's far more female Manias than males.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
I know there's a few. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
And the other thing that you would be well used to,
and unfortunately happens to our grandson and I who is
that on the page?
Speaker 4 (00:31):
It was written down as mania?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Oh god?
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Is that on his birth certificate?
Speaker 4 (00:38):
No, it's he's Manaiah.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
But he often gets you know, like if people write
his name, they often write mania.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
This happens to me almost daily, Neil. I tell them
that mania is a mental disorder, I would.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Assume, and I would sympathize with you, empathize.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Actually, yeah, it's all of the vowels. It's just I
think I believe you're as get a bit freaked out
when they see three vows together. It just makes us
get you.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
And also now I had a connection from a lovely
woman in Sydney for this call, and she didn't know
how to say Horeki either, so it was kind of
gets quite confusing.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Often a lot of people think that I were for
an Evy station, But I tell people when they struggle
with my name, like Mania Twain and then and then
it collecks for them.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
That's a good one. I'll tell our Maniah about that one.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Yes, Mania Twain will serve them. Well, Neil, who was
it that made the initial call to get the band
back together?
Speaker 4 (01:37):
How did God?
Speaker 1 (01:37):
I can't even actually remember the moment, except that we
did a thing last year in my studio where we
got together to kind of play for a while and
we invited the old members in. We were filming for
what potentially will be a split end Stoco, and we
just slipped into it so effortlessly and so easily that
it became some of the So it became talked about,
(01:58):
and then somebody came to us with a offer. Was
for Electric Avenue was the offer that came through management,
and it just felt like the right time. Somehow it
just clicked with the moment. So yeah, we said yes
to that. And then of course once we had that
was that one show is going to be a bit weird.
Maybe we should do do a few more, you know,
(02:18):
just to get the old girl really up and running.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
What was what was electric? Gave like?
Speaker 1 (02:25):
It was amazing we had It was the first show
in seventeenth year. It was our thousandth show. It's hard
to say that. Actually Noel reminded us somebody had.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Told him, but we hadn't. And we playing forty.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Thousand people on a size a stage the size of
you know, Coachella, and with our new costumes, and it
really went as well as we possibly could have hoped.
All the crowd was singing, they were sort of euphoric,
and I'd say a good proportion of them, if not
the majority, probably weren't even born when the songs were
first written. So it was just an amazing reminder of
(02:59):
what how songs stay in the air, and how they
just travel through the years and accompany people and their
good times and they're bad times. And then we were
able to enjoy it all together. It didn't feel different,
you know, it felt like we were on stage just
like it had always been. And you look out this
audience and they all look like the same, you know,
some of the some of the people were old and
you know, like us, but some of them were lots
(03:21):
of them were real younger like they always were.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
You know, so many hits. How do you decide the
set list? Is that? Does that? Does one person end up?
Do you have to say? Okay? Well, in the end,
we can all make suggestions and then I'm going to
have the final say or does someone have the power
of Vita.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Well, Tim probably would be the one who wrangled this
set list mostly, but we all you know, waited in
for the ones that are the fringe dwellers. We knew
we only had an it of an eighty minute set,
so we were able to do we bang out all
of the hits and then a few of the sort
(03:58):
of songs that they quite well known, like I think
Poor boyd Out that was ever a single, but it
became very well known song, and you know, things that
were so we had to decide on the ones that
were slightly off to the side. When we do a tour,
which we're about to do, we'll be enlarging the setlist.
Tour are longer, so we'll have got it five or
six more songs to add, so a few deep cuts,
(04:19):
maybe a couple of the old songs from the early days.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
But yeah, term is probably at the center of things.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
He sings, you know, more songs than I do, so
he wants to staker claim, but it was a pretty
democratic band. There's a few vetos here and there on
on things, but yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
I've been very, very agreeable. We're getting on really well.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
You mentioned it was your thousandth show. Were you guys
aware of that before that show? Were you sitting on
nine nine nine things? And come on, we're going to
get one more on the record?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Surely?
Speaker 1 (04:52):
No, I mean, Noel was the one. And Noel is
not a statistics guy.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
You know, he's not.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
He sits around in draws and and plays. We had
things with his drum sticks, but he doesn't normally look
at the stats. He came into rehearsal and said, yeah,
do you guys realize it's you know, a thousand shows
coming up?
Speaker 4 (05:10):
We hadn't known that, so yeah, phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
So you've got obviously got Tim and you and Eddies
in there and Knowl's there, man Ecles is in there
as well, and James Milne as well. Lawrence Ape people
know him as Lawrence Arabia. So how did those guys
go Because I imagine Matt and James would have been
shitting their pants. They're about to play with arguably the
(05:33):
biggest New Zealand band in history. Did you have any
words to say to them before they went out there,
just to ease the nerves or did you ramp it
up on purpose.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
I had to give James a hug.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Not long before we went on because I was having
We actually had subtle makeup applied. We didn't do the
full crusty white theatrical makeup because we thought it would
look really bad halfway through the set if we're all
sweating and the makeup was starting to peel and the
craps appear, you know, So we went for some kind
of you know, it's more supple makeup, more like what
you probably have on seven.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
A lot of cake it on and a lot of just.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
To smooth out the rough edges, you know. We stopped
short of shots in the lips and you know. But
sorry now I've got off topic now. But I was
getting my getting my makeup done from a young lady
in Christchurch and I looked out the window and James
was just pacing past the window, gulping huge gops of
the air, and I sensed that he was on the
(06:33):
verge of a panic attack. So I went out and
gave him a nice big hug and told him everything
was going to be okay. And he played a blinder
and he was fine. Once he got on stage. He
was very nervous. Matt I think was very nervous too.
But Matt doesn't he kind of he's quite inscrutable, you know,
it doesn't display it.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
James was clearly very very scared.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
It's freaky. It's a freaky thing. Yeah, I mean, how's
the dynamic change? Obviously it's changed massively since you first
arrived in the band as a teenager. I mean you've
got a lot more clout nowadays. I imagine with not
only your brother, but with the other members of the.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Band, a sort of all.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
I'm still the youngest in Eddie's eyes. He'll still every
now and again motion for me to sit on the
floor so talking to But I won't now. I used to,
you know, that was one of his party tricks, was
a young fella on the floor and he'd given me
a talking to.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
But no, it doesn't work anymore.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
What about you?
Speaker 3 (07:26):
What about your relationship with the songs you mentioned before?
You know, there's some songs that make the playlist. There's
some songs that get vetoed. Does that change over time
as well?
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah, there's discussion about you know, there's certain songs that
will be difficult for different reasons for different people. So
you know, there might be a song that's really hard
for Tim to sing the lyrics of because he doesn't
believe them anymore, or you know, there might be one
that Eddie says, there's no way I'll remember how to
play that, although he always says that, but he always manages.
(07:58):
Usually he's quite an extraordinary musician. As you're you know,
people come to see us play. I hadn't forgotten, but
it was I was newly you know, acquainted with the
wonder of his fancy foot fingerwork. It's just extraordinary, you know,
and he remembered everything.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
In the end. He did put his thumb out.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
He was in some kind of brace before we went on,
but it didn't seem to matter once we got on stage.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Where do you draw the line, like, in terms of
solo stuff and crowded house stuff, do you because people
be wanting you to built out some crowded house stuff,
do you do you go there? Or do you not
go there?
Speaker 1 (08:36):
We don't need to because the Crowded House are out
there doing it as well. So we have done a
couple I've done I Got You on stage with Crowded
House on you know, not every night, but some nights,
and I do Message to my girls some nights as well,
so we do keep some of the couple of those
songs alive.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
But no, the band is very distinct and.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Quite unique in its own ways split in so I
don't think we would need to venture into any other territory.
People are quite happy to get those There's a full
set of really well, you know, well loved songs. So
and we're still doing Crowded House and loving that and
made a new I've got a new record on the go,
so you know, life is full and I'm very feeling,
(09:13):
very grateful.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
So no, no covers in the city either. Is that
something you guys like to have a crowd.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
We've never, we never.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
We occasionally had covers that were just sort of off
the cuff, and he used to do a pretty crazy
version of Feelings that feels.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Not the Deja Voodoo song, I hope No.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
I don't know that one, but I don't know. There
was a well known from America some American artists. Feelings
feelings you know that song? Don't Maybe it's before your time.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
That's hard. I don't know if I do.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
I'm with you, girl, these feelings are love. It's a
belter from the sixties or seventies. Eddie does that.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
And an impossibly hide pitch and he can't he sing,
So it was quite entertaining its own way.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
I interviewed any not long ago, and he and he
was remaster Yeah, what was he remastering? He's well mastering.
I think it was fifty probably was, and he and
he said, I said, oh, is there any any bits
that you've just had to auto tune Tim's voice? You know,
(10:25):
any notes that Tim didn't hit? And and he's like, well,
there actually were a couple of notes. And then when
I spoke to him, I said, you know that did
he told me that there's a couple of that. He said,
I have never I have never hit a flat. I've
never been flat. Never were there not with any moments
that you thought one to come.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
On Tim, I wouldn't contradict him, and I would say
on record, I don't think we had such a thing
as auto tune in those days anyway.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
So I'd say on record, there's not a single.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Note that's been changed in any form. You know, these
days in the studio, you never know what you're listening to.
Everyone bolted down and tuned within an inch of its life,
but not me. I would actually hasten to add I
don't use auto tune either, but.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Yeah, yeah, there's no badge of honor for that. You
don't get sent to black for it or anything. No.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
I think it's I think that's great. I think at
a time when there's a lot of computer stuff, I
think it's nice to have a human but you can
you just know there's something, there's something that you feel
that's human about something. It makes you, makes it, you
warm to it.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Yeah, And even tuning is you know.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
I like some of my favorite vocalists people you swear
singing slightly out of tune. They're very strong, like you know,
Robert Smith from The Cure, maybe David Byrne, Neil Young.
All have that slightly wobbly thing where you don't not
sure whether they're perfectly in tune, but somehow it just
has a beautiful, human reassuring presence.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Yeah, do you feel like that's the way the music
is going to go because now there's so much you know,
as you say, auto tune, but even AI and stuff
like that, I feel like more and more people are
going to want to hear the empathy in the music.
That's sort of what makes it goods the flood notes
and the slightly missed notes, singing and things like that.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
I hope, So, I hope that's the way. I mean, certainly,
no AI actually were going to perform live. Well, actually
Aberra slightly AI now aren't they? But yeah, I mean
it's live music is always going to be great for
that reason because people are going to even though I've
got to say, actually, even though a lot of live
gigs people are using auto tune and fact they're using
tapes still, I think when there's lots of dance moves
(12:27):
to pull off, but we're not. We've got no grid,
we've got no click where it's what you see is
what you hear, is what you get.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Hey, what happens after the shows? Are you guys getting
on it heavily? Did you feel like you needed to
tuck in after Electric EV and christ.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
J Yeah, the four works, jere Me we just went
totally mad.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
We had like seventeen years of partying, shit done on
one night.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
So yeah, I mean I think I think I was.
I think I saw good Night Kiwi on a TV.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
I don't think it even exists anymore, does it?
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Nothing ever stops anymore? This is the thing. Everything just
keeps going.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
It used to be the saddest thing moment on earth
when good Night ki We came on. I thought that
New Zealand was going. It wasn't acceptable to be awake
after the TV finished.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
There's something about the hauntingness of the of the organ
as well.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
It's it's beautiful, though it is beautiful, it's sad and
melancholy and I love sound.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
It's sad and melancholy. But we used to come at
that point.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
We were living in Australia and they had all night
movies and they had like Rage on the weekends and everything,
and we'd come back to New Zealand and stay with
Sharon's mum and then good Night key we come on.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
We were in a late cycle and we just it
just felt so sad. Better not to do.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
That's like I said, the sun come up after a
big night out. All right, right, that's enough, right, Hey,
hey Neil, lovely to chat to you and and really
looking forward to you seeing you guys play. Thanks for
chatting to us, It's always a great pleasure.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Thanks Jeremy, Thanks Maniah, you have a good day.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Radio.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
Hold Aches off the Record podcast.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
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Speaker 4 (14:12):
Thanks mate. Find out more about this
Speaker 3 (14:14):
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