December 7, 2025 • 45 mins
Encouraging result for the West Indies, further humiliation for England and dissension in the board room at NZC.
Peter Holland joins us again along with West Indian broadcaster Andrew Mason to review the international cricket landscape.
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West Didies have taken the final day on us to
tie out the first Test. What lessons should the Black
Apps take from the result? England have been humiliated by
Australia in the Ashes series and they're in danger of
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suffering psychological damage. Well perhaps it maywell have occurred already.
And in this dissension at board table, where's the leadership
from New Zealand cricket? Interesting start to come up in
this edition of On the Front Foot And joining as
usual this edition of On the Front Foot Jeremy Coney,
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who's just resting up ready for the next the Test
match at the base of Reserve, taking in a few
deep breaths. Should the Black Caps have won that Test?
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Jerry?
Speaker 2 (01:39):
What custom?
Speaker 4 (01:40):
I was?
Speaker 5 (01:42):
Well?
Speaker 6 (01:42):
I guess they certainly had enough runs in the bank,
didn't they in the end. So it had to be
issues of not having perhaps the whole of the bowling
attack that put a high workload on you know, Duffy
in particular and folks, and we had to bowl on
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the flattest pitch or time of the pitch as well,
so it wasn't doing quite so much. And then we're
still having problems I think with catching. Five catches went
down in that Test match. They missed a very comfortable runout.
Speaker 7 (02:24):
And then of.
Speaker 8 (02:24):
Course a series of poor reviews very early on with
the last new ball that they had, and they need
to I think work out precisely who does what and
add it to their So if you're on square, for example,
your job is to look at height and how big was.
Speaker 6 (02:45):
The stride and those kinds of things. Who looks at
line and if you're on your last review, you've obviously
got to be very careful and be very clear about
that's a very good chance because you're really saying to
the we don't believe you, we reckon.
Speaker 7 (03:02):
You've made a mistake and so you've got to be
sure of things. As happened.
Speaker 6 (03:09):
The Umps did make a couple of mistakes at the end,
but they had burned all their reviews, so while they'll
be angry with the umpire at the same time, sorry.
Speaker 7 (03:18):
You you used your reviews up too early.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Yeap.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
That certainly became a problem towards the end when they
had a chance to win the game, but they were
fighting against Greeves and also Keymr h who came up
Trump's and did a wonderful job with the bat to
support Greeves. I just wonder about our depth though, Jerry.
You know we lose Matt Henry Nathan Smith well sadly.
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I think his career is going to be blighted by
injury to some extent. But you know, the depth and
the ability to put a fresh bowling lineup on the
park on the final day was taken away. I mean,
you've got to give credit to Duffy and to folks.
Theated an outstanding job braceball as well. But our depth
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was certainly tested, wasn't it.
Speaker 6 (04:05):
Oh yes, Well to take out your key man here, Henry,
and I'm assuming he won't be available for Wellington either.
Speaker 7 (04:13):
So and to lose Blundle will Blundle.
Speaker 6 (04:17):
You know, I guess there're a question some people will say,
are the warm up's good enough? Some people might say
we've come from a white ball from October leading to
this match. Should some of our bowlers and our batsmen
have got and played a few Plunket Shield matches prior
to this well blundele had, you know, I guess that one.
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That hamstring injury is just a bit of bad luck
involved in that. Smith I don't think he had played
for Wellington, Nathan Smith, and I don't know whether Henry
had played much either, but he's generally a pretty fit
sort of fella. So Wilds I don't know, and I
don't know how because we've got so many people now
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out with the bowling, and we're now going to be
definitely going back into first class to probably select the
fourth seema for the basin reserve. So I would imagine
Tickner would would come into the team to go alongside
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Folks and also Duffy, and then I don't know for
have they selected him yet?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Wadds No, they still were deciding. They brought Michael Ray
from Canterburyan and Christian Clark, who came in for the
Ode Eyes but didn't play from the Northern districts. And
they've both been part of the A setup, but currently
they are in the squad. They don't possess that genuine
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all rounder. I mean Bracewell has to be that man,
doesn't he.
Speaker 7 (05:54):
Well, he got forty odd, didn't he?
Speaker 6 (05:56):
He fifty to forty seven and is down there started
to look a little bit better. I thought his bowling
was he dragged down quite a lot, but then at
once he bowled fifty overs. Once he got into the fifties,
I thought he started to look much more likely. Had
a couple of catchers dropped and had two decisions go
against him and LBW and then the court behind. So
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he did create enough chances and it might have got
his team over the line in the end. But he'll
be better for those fifty overs, I think most definitely.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
And Jerry can welcome in a technical whiz who's joining
us again just a little bit late for this. Yeah,
he's back with us. He's having trouble with the internet.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
Oh where has Moose been grazing the last a week
or so?
Speaker 7 (06:47):
Are you still in paraparam Moose?
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Oh? Look of coverts and territory. Jerry, I've been in
the Hawks, bao, oh, that have been in the sounds
and no, no, the moose has be spread himself far
and wide. Okay, yes, but I've kept abreast of things.
So Jerry and I and I just picked up on
your last point about braceful. He'll be the better for
fifty overs. I wonder when the last time he's even
bold twenty.
Speaker 6 (07:11):
That's right, Yeah, that's five five twenty twenty matches.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
What about other reflections most that you might have had.
I mean, we've been talking about the bowling line up
and the lack of depth available. I have one question
that no one has bothered to pose to anybody. Ben
Sears is a contracted player coming back from injury and
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he's playing club cricket in Melbourne. Now why is that
the Kings?
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Well, I must admit I'm rather confused about that, Brian,
because if he was in a recovery mode and given
relatively duties, as it were, then I could sort of
understand it. Because district cricket in melbourne's very good and
he's playing for Melbourne UNI. It's good quality cricket. But
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given the dearth of what we've currently got and the
level of difficulties it is, it's a questionable thing that's said.
When he accepted that contract, none of this was an issue,
was it?
Speaker 2 (08:20):
No? But I mean to my mind, whether it's an
injury situation or recovery or a preparation, wouldn't the guy
be better off doing something in New Zealand cricket, playing
against the New Zealand side, helping the development of New
Zealand players, rather than playing club cricket in Melbourne. Melbourne.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Well, I'm not biased because I've lived in Melbourne for many,
many years and some old friends of mine played for
Melbourne Union, at least of which James Sutherland, the current
CEO of Australian Golf and so on, but and father
of two of the finest cricketers in Australia up as well.
But I agree with you, Brian, I'm puzzled. But surely
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he could break that contract no issue and with whistlerm
and have them bowling over here if he's capable an
if he can bowl twenty twenty five overs in a day,
that's a question mate.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Yeah. Injury issues, of course, have also prevented the likes
of Fisher o'roalk along with Seas. But Kyle Jamison has
had a bit of cricket and he's playing first class cricket.
Have they not got confidence that he is back in
the fold?
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Jerry?
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Do you think he's probably still, you know, an injury risk.
Speaker 6 (09:33):
I think they'll be pretty cautious with him, Bryand and
I don't I don't blame them in a way. I
know this situation exacerbates and makes it look a bit
worse because he is playing for Canterbury and he did
bowl about fourteen or fifteen over something like that. But
I think they've got to They can't afford to put
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all the work into him and then just to have
him go down again. At Test level, it is slightly
it's a step up. Guys are straining just a little
bit more to get extra bounce and extra pace, and
so I think I think I'd be cautious with him,
and I'd be cautious to the same extent with O'Rourke.
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Those are two key players, both big fellas. Both pace.
One gives us bounce, one gives us swing. So I
think we've got to we've got to do a little
bit of nurturing. I know it's irritating, but at the
same time we want those guys ready for the big
matches when they come around.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah, and the most important man I guess that they
want to make sure as fit is Darryl Mitchell. I
haven't heard yet whether he's fully fit, but he's certainly
going to be needed just to strengthen that top order.
Poor old will Young just can't buy a run at
the moment, Kenny, and they need some experience and solidity
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in that top order.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Most I could couldn't agree more. I mean, he seemed
to spend a lot of time on the park fielding
or wide slip, so he should be pretty close. And
I would have thought he's I would have thought he's
playing come Wednesday at the base.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
And just a.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Question about Nathan Smith, who I really want to see succeed,
but Craiki being being pretty injury plan. I don't know
about you, Jerry, but you know both of us were
really ripped people like Nathan Smith, and you know we
always suffered from that a little bit, didn't we, Jerry, No.
Speaker 9 (11:31):
We did.
Speaker 7 (11:33):
We did.
Speaker 6 (11:34):
Yeah, that extra half lap we put in it really
was quite tough, especially with the wind behind you. So
look I'm not convinced, as I said to you guys
last week, not totally convinced about Nathan with the ball.
I mean, i'd like him to do well too, because
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I think he adds something with the bat and the fielding,
and our fielding isn't it still hasn't corrected. We're still
dropping catchers. You should never be surprised Test cricket by
a catch ever, because you've seen it come to you
twenty five times before, one to your right, one up high,
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one down load in your mind, and so it shouldn't
surprise you. And we are being surprised. We don't even
know that there's a fielder when you're at mid off.
There's a fielder at mid on. We don't know that
yet because because there's no calling, and so we had
a collision. It's really kind of almost one a cricket
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stuff that and we've got to do better than that.
That could have been very I mean it was costly.
So we've got those things to improve. But Nathan particularly,
I think has to move the ball a bit more.
Speaker 7 (12:52):
I just don't see.
Speaker 6 (12:53):
That happening yet. Maybe he can, maybe he can work
out some seeming options. I know he tries to use
a wobble ball, but he's just got to find some
movement a bit. I think as soon as he comes
on shy Hope actually started driving.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Yes, there's a number of things that have to be
worked on. I guess that teamwork that they've had over
a long period of time is being tested a little bit.
And we'll only know when they picked the side for
the Base Reserve Test match, because I guess conditions are
going to be pretty similar to what was the case
in christ Chitch in terms of pitch conditions. I don't
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know about this wind around here at the moment, but
I think we're going to have a few guests over
the next few days in the capital, so we just
have to wait and see what the Wellington Strip offers.
I just want to take before we move on to
the ashes, take the opportunity to get a point of
view from across the water to the Caribbean and see
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how the West Indias fans are taking the result of
the first Test match, the draw. And we're joined by
the voice of Cricket in the Caribbean, Andrew Mason. And
what's been the reaction over there?
Speaker 9 (14:09):
Well, I'll tell you this.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
People in the Caribbean are extremely happy with the performance
of the West Indy's team because as you know, when
there were seventy two for four, many people said, oh,
there is going to be all over very soon. And
then when Hope got out and then followed by Imlac,
you know, it really was a very very difficult situation
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for the West Indy's team. But you know, Justin Graves
battered extremely well, as you know, along with kem rosu
can back and it really has given West Indians from
Jamaica right through to Barbado's a Lyft a lot of
talk about it. In fact, yesterday I went into the
supermarket and people came up to be and said, boy,
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it was so good to see the West and they
show some fight and determination. And I expect that during
the week we're going to be getting perhaps some of
the leaders. I mean, we've got a lot of Prime
ministers who are very much involved in cricket, so I
expect to see a lot of releases from Cricket West
Indies and on the calling programs. No no, people are
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talking already my show Missing and Guests, which is going
to be on Tuesday.
Speaker 9 (15:20):
You are a regular, very much a part of.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
That show, I expect people to be calling in and
congratulating to the West Cities.
Speaker 9 (15:26):
So the mood is a very good one.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
People are in disbelief really because you never thought that
the West Indy would have been able to have drawn
that Test match.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Yeah, well, I think that that proves a point, doesn't
it that there is something there that can be built
on to develop a Test metch side when you see
that kind of fight, particularly from Graves. We know what
Hope is like as a player, but you know there's
got to be a lesson there for the Test players
in the West Indies, doesn't they.
Speaker 9 (15:54):
Yeah, there's no question about that.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
In fact, you know, it's interesting that you talk about
the West Cindy say that is performing so poorly in
yet you know, in terms of run chase the best
that four hundred and eighteen against Australia a couple of
years ago, and look what they did a couple of
days ago in New Zealand. So it's almost like from
the zenis to the there really with the West Cindy's team,
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where they can really really really make you very unhappy
and then they could come up with these odd great performances.
You talk about potential because when you look at the
West Indy side, you know they've got a pretty decent
ball in attack. I mean when as Zari Joseph and
Shama Joseph when they are fit along with someone like
a Keema Roat and Jaden seals to me that is
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an attack that can worry most batsmen.
Speaker 9 (16:43):
Most around the world. There's no question about that.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
In terms of the batan, I think Atanas has got
some ability. I think he's just gotta maybe understand that
when he's playing the red ball, he's gotta be about
those white ball shots, you know. And certainly Chanderpaul can
battle long and share hope is a world class batsman.
So when you look at the team, it is a
team that's got some potential.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yeah, and mentioning on top of that too, another name,
Kevin Hodge, who didn't even get selected for the SOB
when people thought he might have been selected and has
started to fashion a record, hasn't he.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Yeah, Well, it is an interesting question you ask and
the one that people need to answer.
Speaker 9 (17:24):
As you know, when the West and East team went
to England, he made a hundred.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
In fact, he was the only West Indian batsman who
made a hundred and people were very very surprised that
he didn't play against the Australians and they know that
Dominickan's were extremely upset on my show that would call
and say, what's going on with Cavin Hodge. Actually, Hodge
should really be in the eleven because when you look
at the West Cindy's team, in my view, there's no
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need to play the extra ball in because you've got
Justin Graves, Jaden Seals, JS Seals, Johanan and Keemar Roach.
Speaker 9 (17:57):
You've got six.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
I know that the conditions suited the medium paces and
those who can build a bit quicker, but with someone
like a Roust and Chase, then think there's an overlord
of bawling. So one would have thought, and I suspect
that what they will do for the next test is
to bring him in and possibly drop jo hand Lane.
Speaker 9 (18:16):
He really should have been in the first tests.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Yeah. Interesting, Then I was just going to ask you
what should they do from afar as you know the
team and the players and the performances, Well, that would
be the change that you would make.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
Yeah, no question about that, because you know, you know
as much as chemar Ross did that at number number eight.
I don't think he's really number eight batsmen and they're
really are a batsman short, you know, and you know
you've got it at the top, you know, you know
two batsmen who have not been in and out of
course you know recently John Campbell got a hundred, and
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then of course Atanez has been showing glimpses. I hope
is a very very good player. The captain is a
big worry, there's no question about that. And then you've
got Imlac who's not playing well. There's a third or
fourth Test match, so the art on farm and short
and experience, and one would have thought someone who did
so very well in England making that one hundred, and
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then you also got a decent score in Australia where
he won that Test match, would have been in the side.
So I would think that they're going to look at
the construct of the side and bring Calvin Hodge into
this side. And you vote Johann lane Au j Seals,
the big fastballer, twenty nine year old teacher from Jamaica,
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spotted by the former England You know a batsman Roland Butcher,
who was then a selector, has looked impressive and I
think that he will hold onto his place, So I
expect the Westinings to make a change. Bringing Hodge and
he wote young fastballer.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Lane the Western he looked as though they were more
intent on a draw in this game. And you know,
if you look at it, if I'd been a bit
more assertive on that filder, they could quite easily have
reached that target the way they were playing. Did you
see it that way? Or am I a little bit
too critical?
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Well that's a very interesting question and interesting observation as well,
because only today I was on the road and there
was this gentleman who said to me, look, you know,
I think the West Cindy's team should have gone for
the victory.
Speaker 9 (20:27):
You know, you can't criticize them.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Because the reality is, you know, you'd lost six wickets,
you know, got a long tail, and although at one
stage it certainly looked as if they would have done it,
but I think they've made up their minds once Hope
got out and got out that despite the fact that
Graves was going well and Chemo rochow Wall who actually
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back as seventy two consecutive deliveries without getting a single
I think it was pretty clear that they did not
want to go for the victory. But when you look
at it one stage, had they contemplated they could have
gone for it, and to be honest with you, had
they gone for the victory and lost, I don't.
Speaker 9 (21:05):
Think there would have been a great deal of criticism
in the Caribbean.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
No, it's an interesting one. I mean you faced with
that issue, particularly being a World Test Championship too, where
points are significant in the West, and he didn't have
any from five games. So they've started now with some points,
haven't they.
Speaker 9 (21:22):
Yeah, Yeah, and that's critical. I mean we had done
the Pekenorda.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
You know against Australia, we were completely outplayed, you know,
I mean against England, and you know in New Zealand
there's the expectation that we would have actually lost all
three Test mats and it's going to be happening for
the second Test.
Speaker 9 (21:41):
I would imagine it would be buoyed.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
By the fight that they assured in the first Test match.
You've got one or two challenges to in terms of injuries,
and I think the best cities are no hoping that
they can do pretty well and challenge seriously in the
second tests.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Yeah, I mean, you make the most interesting point about
the bowling attack too, the fact that the new man
came in and he looked impressive. You're not going to
get a million dollars out of him in the first
Test match, but you know, if he can use the
development shields the way he's shun, then you know you've
got that makeup of bowlers and you get those players
back Zarry Joseph and Jama Jos Joseph, You've got the
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makings of a bowling attack. And I mentioned that before
this series that you know you were going to be
dangerous with that attack. You haven't quite got what you
want there, but you know there's no reason to be
depressed by at all, is there?
Speaker 9 (22:33):
Yeah? I agree with you.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
You know when you look at audio shields and you know,
I've got great respect for Roland Butcher, who quite stunningly
was removed as a select. He knows the game inside
out and I remember talking to him and he said
to me, first of all, he was the one who
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told me about Shama Joseph and he picked him as
a result of playing CPR cricket. He told me there
was a NOOV board so fast and he's told the
then Convenence Selectors Desmond Heynes that here was a young
man that had the ability and look what happened when
he came in to the West Indies team. And he
also made the same comment about O. J. Shields about
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a year and a half ago. He said to me Andrew,
I've seen this big, strong fastball from Jamaica. He certainly
got some gas and I think that he's one that
certainly should be considered. And I was speaking to some
of the Barbados crickets when the regional tournament was held
last year and they said in Caribbee in Paradiz, he
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was hitting the back hard and he's big and strong,
he's fit, and he's got some pace. And I like
him because I think a combination of as Zari Joseph,
Samara Joseph, O J. Shields and of course Jaden Seals
and of course the experience of a Keema Roach that
in my view brand is a pretty decent attack.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Yeah. How important was came?
Speaker 1 (24:00):
I right?
Speaker 2 (24:01):
That experience to my mind played a big part.
Speaker 9 (24:03):
You know, when you talk about Keema Roach.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
He only got in to the squad because of the injury,
the injuries to Azarid Joseph and to Shamar Joseph because
as you know, when the Australians were in the Caribbean earlier,
there were three Test matches and Keemar Roach was not selected.
In fact, we had Anderson Philip Beans selected.
Speaker 9 (24:28):
Ahead of him.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Although head coached Darren Sammy made an interesting comment. I
don't think many people believe the comment that he made
when he said that there was always room for Keima
rot Roch only got into the best Cindy's squad because
of the injuries. And you know he's got two hundred
and ninety one Test wickets. He's been a wonderful servant
of westge Cirk for quite a long time. And look
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what he did with both Bat and Bob picking up
five wickets and then you know saving the Test match
in fact against Pakistani the last billet sad a part
in the last wicket partnership. He actually was able to
win the Test match. I know him very well. He's
a Barbadian. I see him play cricket in local cricket
here in Barbados, and he's got a good defense, good
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technique and he's actually played the spinners very well. So
there's the value in Keemar Roch using all of his
experience as a baller and towards the back end of
the in ends, certainly has done a pretty good job.
Speaker 9 (25:22):
So congrat listens to.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Him, Thanks very much, Andrew. Yes, Well, a happy bunch
of campers in that part of the world. I guess
they've got reason to be happy as well too with
the performance, particularly of Justin Greeves. We expected from Hope
and we got it from him. But Grieves has shown that,
you know, there is something there that they can build
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the future of the Caribbean crickanon.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
If I think we touched on Hope one of the
previous podcasts said that he seemed to be someone with
the genuine ability and and showed it. Showed it this
this taste with Grieves, I well, I knew nothing on them,
but pretty fine innings. That said, if I'm ever going
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to make runs is on a flat deck in the
sun with about three bowlers. I'm taking that.
Speaker 9 (26:19):
Aren't I so?
Speaker 2 (26:20):
But that happens now in it, you know, I mean
the good week and two, isn't it?
Speaker 9 (26:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:24):
And can I just can I just mention I heard
some nonsense about should we have substitute our bowlers or
something was raised by by someone and I thought, sorry,
no is the answer. It's Test cricket.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
That wasn't you, Jerry was It wasn't certainly wasn't me.
Speaker 6 (26:42):
I'm very sympathetic to what Moose is saying about it's
the hardest format of the game, and you prepare yourself.
And I did mention earlier, was didn't I? I think
our players have to. If you're moving from white ball cricket,
totally white ball cricket from October right through, you know
the game's coming up, you'd start to build up and
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prepare yourself.
Speaker 7 (27:04):
And if that means.
Speaker 6 (27:05):
Playing a four day match so that you get fifteen
overs and then twenty overs and the second innings, even
if it's not at full one hundred percent all the time,
you are ready to bowl for the rigors of a
Test match. It is a Test match. You can't get
any higher and harder. I mean we know that help.
I mean one days are a little bit harder, but
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you're still only three spells, so you're getting sort of
three two, you know that sort of and then a
four or something like that. Sometimes you don't even get
your ten overs. And then of course in T twenty
I mean it's it's just that's four overs, so I
mean it's not getting you ready for Test cricket though,
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is it that stuff?
Speaker 3 (27:48):
No, it isn't.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Indeed, good point raised by Moose and the emphatic no
supports everything you said, which was no, and well done
to that.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
Brian Waddle. Jeremy Cooney on the front foot.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
England, well, if you're an English cricket fan and you
you paid money to go to watch the Esher series,
boy you'd be cursing them at the moment. Ben Stokes
has questioned as players mentality after their crushing defeat by Australia.
He's seeing his dressing room is not a place for
weak men. And another critic, of course has been Michael Vaughan.
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England tore aside that for three or four years now
have played one way and I just think teams know
how to play against them and that's a real worry
and there's been critics, are plenty of them. Interesting comment
though from Stokes Jerry that the dressing room is not
a place for weak men. He's certainly testing their psychological
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approach and ability to stand up with his Australians, doesn't.
Speaker 6 (28:52):
He Oh, I don't know, I thought they were all
supposed to be mates. That's the sort of thing that
McCullum has been kind of building up, hasn't it over
the last two or three years. We're all together in this,
But they are they're making this making mistakes. We've already
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spoken about how Test cricket is not one dimensional. That
you need to be able to survive certain periods and
dig in at certain times and be freer at other times.
And certainly that's exacerbated when you play in a day
night match. There are times of the day when the
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game is obviously harder than others and easier at certain
times as well. So the Australian seemed to be to
be quite smart. They batted quite slowly, didn't they when
stark and was it bowl and were together for a
long time, and they took up and they used up
that time so that when they bowled they were going
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to bowl in the period when the light was changing.
Seemed very very There's nothing way too smart than that, guys,
is there. It's just basic cricket and trying to put
your team into the best place. But I don't see
that from England. I don't even see that level of
intelligence going on. So they deserve really to be where
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they are at the moment loose cricket, and it's been
costly against the side that for Australia. It's not their
best side, is it. You know, you you bring it.
I mean with the bowling particularly, it's not. And they're
looking around for the top order players, but they're not.
They're not hopeless players. They're steady and their systems have
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worked to get those levels of players into that side,
even though it's not Cummins or Hazel with those those
kinds of bowlers, so they are able to speck them
and they do the job for you.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
I think one of your earlier hosts in an earlier
podcast very stupidly observed that this coming test pinkball test
could could be difficult for them and that the whole
thing might unravel. It was again, oh yes that was me.
But so it's so it's proven now when you look
down that list of of the first innings of Australia,
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no one failed. Everyone day Again, there had to be
that you had to be impressed with us. You talked
on the fact that Jerry they're pulling players in, but
a lot of these players are very experienced cricketers. Niece
has been around for a long time being in the squad,
had a really good role to play, took up an end,
gave Stark time he was he was impressive. I did
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enjoy watching Cary stand up with the stumps to him.
I think, you know, it's a long lost art, but
that looked fantastic. Put pressure on the batsman. And the
other thing about.
Speaker 6 (31:49):
Not a bad moves not a bad catch either. When
he turned round and ran back with a lamber shine,
imagine him trying to pull your trousers down and he's
taken the catch as well, running away with his back
to the to the wicket.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Oh absolutely. Here's the point that I'll probably want to
cut to. Is England drop five catches? Its text the catchers,
they do the basics very very well. They get them.
You make a mistake, we'll get you. Even though it's
not their best team, we will still get you in
the field. And in the story eight wickets.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
England had a chance. They battered reasonably well on their
first innings, but they just didn't have the commitment that
they needed to. They've got three hundred and twenty something
or other on it, but they gave away five.
Speaker 7 (32:32):
Hundred one of the poor, wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Yeah, well you know, and they are supposed to be
the ones that were going to rip Australia a part
the England bowling. It was interesting too. Another comment that
really fascinated me was Brendan McCullum said England trained too
much amid criticism of their preparations. I'm sorry, I can't
wear that comment. You can't train too much. It's not
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about quantity, it's quality, isn't it. And somehow I don't
think they've had the quality that they need to prepare
themselves for test matches. You can't train too much, can you?
Speaker 3 (33:09):
I think good training in short periods is the key.
But there's something something's going to miss there. I heard
overnight various interviews from Butcher through to Harmison who are
strongly suggesting that McCallum could be on his last leagus.
Now doesn't surprise because the knives have been out for
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quite a while, haven't they For Brendan McCullum. But when
you make statements like that, you rather invite these sorts
of strong criticisms and doesn't help your cause, especially when
you're getting flogged.
Speaker 6 (33:46):
No training short, the shortest amount that the most intense
training is what you basically want, isn't it fit as
much training into the shortest amount of time as possible.
I remember Congo and seventy three had us going for
six hours a day. We would actually have a morning
and then we'd hit that, get lunch and nice little
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horror Sarah's salad, and then and then out we'd go
again for another three hours. So that's I think that's
not the way to approach training. But I think they're
talking about going to Brisbane early and practicing under lights,
which makes sense to me. So you should, so you should.
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Didn't seem to work, did it, really? I'm afraid the
catching wasn't there. You've got to hold your catchers. We
drop five as I said, as well, and some bad
ones and it does cost you over the game, There's
no doubt about that.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
It allows partnerships to build and give sides the ability
to develop titles that they might not normally have been
able to do. We'll wait and see, but it looks
like the Ashes are gone. I don't see England getting
three Test victories to secure the Ashes from Australia.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
On the front foot. With Waddle and Cody, A group.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Of retired Black Cap cricketers include former Test captain Mark
Burgess and John Parker, sign an open letter to the
backers of proposed independent T twenty cricket competition outlining their
grave fears about the contact concept. The plans have been
revealed for some time. The group of players, with hundreds
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of Test caps between them, say they fear for the
game's future and worry about the financing of the proposed competition.
I guess we're all going to be worried about that.
But the issue, Jerry, I don't know whether you were
asked to sign the letter of a former players, but
to me it seems simple. You've got to get together,
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decide on a concept for T twenty. Whether you want
T twenty or not, you're going to have to live
with it because it's part of the world game, and
come up with a unanimous decision that everybody can buy into.
We don't want to have a standard argument at board
level or between players and former players and current players
and those kinds of things. It seems to me as
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though it could be something that's easy to settle, but
it's been ongoing in private for quite some time.
Speaker 6 (36:14):
Yeah, it has was. I don't quite know the absolute details. Yes,
I was asked, and I had to look at the
letter and those sort of things.
Speaker 7 (36:25):
I just felt I needed to know a little bit
more about what the fourth option.
Speaker 6 (36:32):
We knew the three options anyway, and we've talked about
one of them. The big bash before the fourth option
seemed to be just slightly secretive. I don't quite know
why that was. If it was a good option, put
it up with the other ones. There was a structure
there wasn't there. They were all going to be looked
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at by Deloittes. Deloittes have looked at THEE hundred over
in England, and they've looked at the Essay twenty. They've
been involved in those, so that seemed sensible to ask them.
They might have got something from those ex experiences. But
I mean, I don't I don't know why in New
Zealand we have We've got such a small cricket community
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and it just seems personalities like to push forward and
take over. Look if the system throws up some choices
that not everybody likes, and you know, whether that's.
Speaker 7 (37:32):
A person or whether it's the board or some parts
of this.
Speaker 6 (37:35):
And that you've got to live with it until that
that period of thing is over, that players over and
you never make that mistake again.
Speaker 7 (37:45):
That's my view of the of the way it should
be handled.
Speaker 6 (37:48):
But we are currently going through personality clashes and I'm
not sure it helps the game. So I just felt
if it was good enough, the whole lot should have
been put forward, reviewed and examined so that it's the
best choice for the New Zealand players, the develop of
the up and comers, for the fans, for commercial reasons,
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you know, in order for the game to thrive.
Speaker 7 (38:14):
Here.
Speaker 6 (38:15):
Basically, I am a bit concerned that this is twenty twenty, right,
this is one of three formats, and I just what
I don't want to see the option chosen that it
prevents and already prune down playing of the test format
here in New Zealand.
Speaker 7 (38:36):
I was lucky to play over fourteen.
Speaker 6 (38:38):
Years and we enjoyed the time playing the new format,
which was one day cricket, and we did it Nozzy
lots of times, day night matches, World Cups and so on,
tournaments and ods stunder down under all that sort of stuff.
And look, since the arrival of twenty twenty in private equity,
which is I mean that.
Speaker 7 (39:00):
The tipping point has passed.
Speaker 6 (39:02):
It's behind us now the players are being made wealthy.
Good on them, that's good timing by them. But pests
is my format of choice, and any option they choose,
if that reduces the chances and prevents us playing test matches,
I am emphatically saying no way from me.
Speaker 7 (39:24):
But that doesn't matter. I don't matter.
Speaker 6 (39:28):
But that's how I feel about the choice that they
are confronting.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
I think that any option that has the ability to
bring capital into the New Zealand game, and this is
how it's being somewhat promoted, is a good thing because
capital is the thing that drives commerce, sport, and there
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is capital sloshing around the world looking for places. Although
I do think that perhaps we're a little bit late
to the party, that's it. It does appear to be
this whole approach of the T twenty group will consortium,
if you can call it, that seems to be. There
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are conflicts all over the place. I think the president
or whatever of Wellington Cricket seems to be involved. Now
I don't know how that plays. We've got board members
from the president.
Speaker 7 (40:30):
Knew that was going to come. That's Mordling you're talking
about right now. Brilliant charge and keep charging.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
I mean, I mean so I think, I mean the chairman.
I mean that that puts a big question mark for me.
How does that play?
Speaker 9 (40:46):
Aren't you?
Speaker 3 (40:47):
Is there a conflict in this somewhere? And and we've
got the CEO of the Players Association? Okay, fair enough?
What's going on here? What I struggle with and I
agree with you, Jerry, If this is going to affect
our ability to play test matches in places like Australia next,
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then this has to be an emphatic no. What I
always like to look at here and these sorts of
things we're light on detailers to one, how is it funded?
Who's funding it? And where does the money go? And
always follow the money? Is the trick here?
Speaker 9 (41:26):
Now?
Speaker 3 (41:26):
My impression would be is there are certain people there
who perhaps self interest might be a strong, strong, strong play.
I'm not accusing anyone of anything, you know, and if
you can earn good dash out of a US setting
up a program, then all power to you. But there's
no transparency here. We don't have any vision on this,
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and so therefore, what is the motivation of all this, however,
I think set us quo, Big Bash, T twenty and
whatever else is there, it's appropriate for Indie Zealand Cricket
to consider these, but there needs to be some more
detail and I love to flush out kind of how's
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it going to actually operate and how's it going to
make money? Given the fact that you know, where are
we going to be playing it with the with the
so and so Mumbai mumby Wellington Thunder, playing whoever with
about fifty people on some random ground.
Speaker 9 (42:26):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (42:27):
Yeah, well those are key questions I think for me,
where do you play the games?
Speaker 7 (42:32):
Who's going to go and watch? Where's the money coming from?
Speaker 6 (42:34):
Because they've actually the GMR group have pulled out, so
they now are looking for cash from some other source. Obviously,
I look, let's just wait and see what happens. It's
a little bit early for us to make our minds
up until we know the detail.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
Yeah, yeah, I think it's something that we need to
know and get some information about, and I'm sure more
of that will be forthcoming. A chance to talk about
things like that at the test match at the base
Reserve your gang.
Speaker 10 (43:05):
Mosey, I yes, I am I have an invitation to
a little of bit there, being a well and truly
passed an over a player.
Speaker 7 (43:17):
Are you going to be a floppy Are you going
to wear your floppy hat?
Speaker 3 (43:20):
Most no floppy hat, but stripey blazer.
Speaker 7 (43:23):
I'm going okay, good man, I'm going here. Well, Wads,
you'll be in your stripe blazer too, won't you.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
Yeah, And you'll be dressed up like a radio commentary,
won't you.
Speaker 7 (43:32):
Oh well, that's jeans jeans. Yeah, that's.
Speaker 6 (43:37):
Just had a ripped T shirt from being down you know,
down there at Courtney Place right throughout the night.
Speaker 7 (43:43):
You know what Courtney Place.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
I'm not sure that that's a place to go, Jerry.
I was there. I was there on the weekend, and
it's not you there. Yeah, it's yeah. I was well,
I was. I was out of a birthday party and
it was held in a hotel not far from the
Courtney Place area. And I've got to say it's not
the most salubrious part of town these days. I mean,
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I didn't see Moose down there, but I mean he's
probably gone more up market in his aging years.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
Oh look, no question about that. No, you won't catch
me down that place there. I think I know the establisher.
You may well have been an excellent deb but for
a moment there I just thought you were an older
person lost Brian, but that was not the case.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
Well I am.
Speaker 7 (44:27):
I think you're both in trouble.
Speaker 6 (44:28):
Frankly, I think to see you two down there at
Courtney Place. Anything after three point thirty in the afternoon,
you're gone.
Speaker 7 (44:37):
You are gone.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
We need some good test cricket to see us through
so that we don't have to spend time down in
the Courtney Place. So nice to have had you guys along.
We can reminis about Courtney Place over this Test match
and a cup of coffee here, there and everywhere, and
enjoy test cricket at its finest. We hope. Thank you
guys at.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
The finest cricket ground in New Zealand, if you don't mind,
and I look forward to your erudite comments.
Speaker 6 (45:04):
Jerry, Yeah, I'll bring my tuba lie with.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
Good stuff. Thanks you guys, to see.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
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West Didies have taken the final day on us to
tie out the first Test. What lessons should the Black
Apps take from the result? England have been humiliated by
Australia in the Ashes series and they're in danger of
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suffering psychological damage. Well perhaps it maywell have occurred already.
And in this dissension at board table, where's the leadership
from New Zealand cricket? Interesting start to come up in
this edition of On the Front Foot And joining as
usual this edition of On the Front Foot Jeremy Coney,
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who's just resting up ready for the next the Test
match at the base of Reserve, taking in a few
deep breaths. Should the Black Caps have won that Test?
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Jerry?
Speaker 2 (01:39):
What custom?
Speaker 4 (01:40):
I was?
Speaker 5 (01:42):
Well?
Speaker 6 (01:42):
I guess they certainly had enough runs in the bank,
didn't they in the end. So it had to be
issues of not having perhaps the whole of the bowling
attack that put a high workload on you know, Duffy
in particular and folks, and we had to bowl on
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the flattest pitch or time of the pitch as well,
so it wasn't doing quite so much. And then we're
still having problems I think with catching. Five catches went
down in that Test match. They missed a very comfortable runout.
Speaker 7 (02:24):
And then of.
Speaker 8 (02:24):
Course a series of poor reviews very early on with
the last new ball that they had, and they need
to I think work out precisely who does what and
add it to their So if you're on square, for example,
your job is to look at height and how big was.
Speaker 6 (02:45):
The stride and those kinds of things. Who looks at
line and if you're on your last review, you've obviously
got to be very careful and be very clear about
that's a very good chance because you're really saying to
the we don't believe you, we reckon.
Speaker 7 (03:02):
You've made a mistake and so you've got to be
sure of things. As happened.
Speaker 6 (03:09):
The Umps did make a couple of mistakes at the end,
but they had burned all their reviews, so while they'll
be angry with the umpire at the same time, sorry.
Speaker 7 (03:18):
You you used your reviews up too early.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Yeap.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
That certainly became a problem towards the end when they
had a chance to win the game, but they were
fighting against Greeves and also Keymr h who came up
Trump's and did a wonderful job with the bat to
support Greeves. I just wonder about our depth though, Jerry.
You know we lose Matt Henry Nathan Smith well sadly.
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I think his career is going to be blighted by
injury to some extent. But you know, the depth and
the ability to put a fresh bowling lineup on the
park on the final day was taken away. I mean,
you've got to give credit to Duffy and to folks.
Theated an outstanding job braceball as well. But our depth
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was certainly tested, wasn't it.
Speaker 6 (04:05):
Oh yes, Well to take out your key man here, Henry,
and I'm assuming he won't be available for Wellington either.
Speaker 7 (04:13):
So and to lose Blundle will Blundle.
Speaker 6 (04:17):
You know, I guess there're a question some people will say,
are the warm up's good enough? Some people might say
we've come from a white ball from October leading to
this match. Should some of our bowlers and our batsmen
have got and played a few Plunket Shield matches prior
to this well blundele had, you know, I guess that one.
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That hamstring injury is just a bit of bad luck
involved in that. Smith I don't think he had played
for Wellington, Nathan Smith, and I don't know whether Henry
had played much either, but he's generally a pretty fit
sort of fella. So Wilds I don't know, and I
don't know how because we've got so many people now
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out with the bowling, and we're now going to be
definitely going back into first class to probably select the
fourth seema for the basin reserve. So I would imagine
Tickner would would come into the team to go alongside
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Folks and also Duffy, and then I don't know for
have they selected him yet?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Wadds No, they still were deciding. They brought Michael Ray
from Canterburyan and Christian Clark, who came in for the
Ode Eyes but didn't play from the Northern districts. And
they've both been part of the A setup, but currently
they are in the squad. They don't possess that genuine
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all rounder. I mean Bracewell has to be that man,
doesn't he.
Speaker 7 (05:54):
Well, he got forty odd, didn't he?
Speaker 6 (05:56):
He fifty to forty seven and is down there started
to look a little bit better. I thought his bowling
was he dragged down quite a lot, but then at
once he bowled fifty overs. Once he got into the fifties,
I thought he started to look much more likely. Had
a couple of catchers dropped and had two decisions go
against him and LBW and then the court behind. So
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he did create enough chances and it might have got
his team over the line in the end. But he'll
be better for those fifty overs, I think most definitely.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
And Jerry can welcome in a technical whiz who's joining
us again just a little bit late for this. Yeah,
he's back with us. He's having trouble with the internet.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
Oh where has Moose been grazing the last a week
or so?
Speaker 7 (06:47):
Are you still in paraparam Moose?
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Oh? Look of coverts and territory. Jerry, I've been in
the Hawks, bao, oh, that have been in the sounds
and no, no, the moose has be spread himself far
and wide. Okay, yes, but I've kept abreast of things.
So Jerry and I and I just picked up on
your last point about braceful. He'll be the better for
fifty overs. I wonder when the last time he's even
bold twenty.
Speaker 6 (07:11):
That's right, Yeah, that's five five twenty twenty matches.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
What about other reflections most that you might have had.
I mean, we've been talking about the bowling line up
and the lack of depth available. I have one question
that no one has bothered to pose to anybody. Ben
Sears is a contracted player coming back from injury and
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he's playing club cricket in Melbourne. Now why is that
the Kings?
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Well, I must admit I'm rather confused about that, Brian,
because if he was in a recovery mode and given
relatively duties, as it were, then I could sort of
understand it. Because district cricket in melbourne's very good and
he's playing for Melbourne UNI. It's good quality cricket. But
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given the dearth of what we've currently got and the
level of difficulties it is, it's a questionable thing that's said.
When he accepted that contract, none of this was an issue,
was it?
Speaker 2 (08:20):
No? But I mean to my mind, whether it's an
injury situation or recovery or a preparation, wouldn't the guy
be better off doing something in New Zealand cricket, playing
against the New Zealand side, helping the development of New
Zealand players, rather than playing club cricket in Melbourne. Melbourne.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Well, I'm not biased because I've lived in Melbourne for many,
many years and some old friends of mine played for
Melbourne Union, at least of which James Sutherland, the current
CEO of Australian Golf and so on, but and father
of two of the finest cricketers in Australia up as well.
But I agree with you, Brian, I'm puzzled. But surely
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he could break that contract no issue and with whistlerm
and have them bowling over here if he's capable an
if he can bowl twenty twenty five overs in a day,
that's a question mate.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Yeah. Injury issues, of course, have also prevented the likes
of Fisher o'roalk along with Seas. But Kyle Jamison has
had a bit of cricket and he's playing first class cricket.
Have they not got confidence that he is back in
the fold?
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Jerry?
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Do you think he's probably still, you know, an injury risk.
Speaker 6 (09:33):
I think they'll be pretty cautious with him, Bryand and
I don't I don't blame them in a way. I
know this situation exacerbates and makes it look a bit
worse because he is playing for Canterbury and he did
bowl about fourteen or fifteen over something like that. But
I think they've got to They can't afford to put
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all the work into him and then just to have
him go down again. At Test level, it is slightly
it's a step up. Guys are straining just a little
bit more to get extra bounce and extra pace, and
so I think I think I'd be cautious with him,
and I'd be cautious to the same extent with O'Rourke.
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Those are two key players, both big fellas. Both pace.
One gives us bounce, one gives us swing. So I
think we've got to we've got to do a little
bit of nurturing. I know it's irritating, but at the
same time we want those guys ready for the big
matches when they come around.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah, and the most important man I guess that they
want to make sure as fit is Darryl Mitchell. I
haven't heard yet whether he's fully fit, but he's certainly
going to be needed just to strengthen that top order.
Poor old will Young just can't buy a run at
the moment, Kenny, and they need some experience and solidity
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in that top order.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Most I could couldn't agree more. I mean, he seemed
to spend a lot of time on the park fielding
or wide slip, so he should be pretty close. And
I would have thought he's I would have thought he's
playing come Wednesday at the base.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
And just a.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Question about Nathan Smith, who I really want to see succeed,
but Craiki being being pretty injury plan. I don't know
about you, Jerry, but you know both of us were
really ripped people like Nathan Smith, and you know we
always suffered from that a little bit, didn't we, Jerry, No.
Speaker 9 (11:31):
We did.
Speaker 7 (11:33):
We did.
Speaker 6 (11:34):
Yeah, that extra half lap we put in it really
was quite tough, especially with the wind behind you. So
look I'm not convinced, as I said to you guys
last week, not totally convinced about Nathan with the ball.
I mean, i'd like him to do well too, because
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I think he adds something with the bat and the fielding,
and our fielding isn't it still hasn't corrected. We're still
dropping catchers. You should never be surprised Test cricket by
a catch ever, because you've seen it come to you
twenty five times before, one to your right, one up high,
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one down load in your mind, and so it shouldn't
surprise you. And we are being surprised. We don't even
know that there's a fielder when you're at mid off.
There's a fielder at mid on. We don't know that
yet because because there's no calling, and so we had
a collision. It's really kind of almost one a cricket
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stuff that and we've got to do better than that.
That could have been very I mean it was costly.
So we've got those things to improve. But Nathan particularly,
I think has to move the ball a bit more.
Speaker 7 (12:52):
I just don't see.
Speaker 6 (12:53):
That happening yet. Maybe he can, maybe he can work
out some seeming options. I know he tries to use
a wobble ball, but he's just got to find some
movement a bit. I think as soon as he comes
on shy Hope actually started driving.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Yes, there's a number of things that have to be
worked on. I guess that teamwork that they've had over
a long period of time is being tested a little bit.
And we'll only know when they picked the side for
the Base Reserve Test match, because I guess conditions are
going to be pretty similar to what was the case
in christ Chitch in terms of pitch conditions. I don't
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know about this wind around here at the moment, but
I think we're going to have a few guests over
the next few days in the capital, so we just
have to wait and see what the Wellington Strip offers.
I just want to take before we move on to
the ashes, take the opportunity to get a point of
view from across the water to the Caribbean and see
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how the West Indias fans are taking the result of
the first Test match, the draw. And we're joined by
the voice of Cricket in the Caribbean, Andrew Mason. And
what's been the reaction over there?
Speaker 9 (14:09):
Well, I'll tell you this.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
People in the Caribbean are extremely happy with the performance
of the West Indy's team because as you know, when
there were seventy two for four, many people said, oh,
there is going to be all over very soon. And
then when Hope got out and then followed by Imlac,
you know, it really was a very very difficult situation
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for the West Indy's team. But you know, Justin Graves
battered extremely well, as you know, along with kem rosu
can back and it really has given West Indians from
Jamaica right through to Barbado's a Lyft a lot of
talk about it. In fact, yesterday I went into the
supermarket and people came up to be and said, boy,
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it was so good to see the West and they
show some fight and determination. And I expect that during
the week we're going to be getting perhaps some of
the leaders. I mean, we've got a lot of Prime
ministers who are very much involved in cricket, so I
expect to see a lot of releases from Cricket West
Indies and on the calling programs. No no, people are
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talking already my show Missing and Guests, which is going
to be on Tuesday.
Speaker 9 (15:20):
You are a regular, very much a part of.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
That show, I expect people to be calling in and
congratulating to the West Cities.
Speaker 9 (15:26):
So the mood is a very good one.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
People are in disbelief really because you never thought that
the West Indy would have been able to have drawn
that Test match.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Yeah, well, I think that that proves a point, doesn't
it that there is something there that can be built
on to develop a Test metch side when you see
that kind of fight, particularly from Graves. We know what
Hope is like as a player, but you know there's
got to be a lesson there for the Test players
in the West Indies, doesn't they.
Speaker 9 (15:54):
Yeah, there's no question about that.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
In fact, you know, it's interesting that you talk about
the West Cindy say that is performing so poorly in
yet you know, in terms of run chase the best
that four hundred and eighteen against Australia a couple of
years ago, and look what they did a couple of
days ago in New Zealand. So it's almost like from
the zenis to the there really with the West Cindy's team,
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where they can really really really make you very unhappy
and then they could come up with these odd great performances.
You talk about potential because when you look at the
West Indy side, you know they've got a pretty decent
ball in attack. I mean when as Zari Joseph and
Shama Joseph when they are fit along with someone like
a Keema Roat and Jaden seals to me that is
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an attack that can worry most batsmen.
Speaker 9 (16:43):
Most around the world. There's no question about that.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
In terms of the batan, I think Atanas has got
some ability. I think he's just gotta maybe understand that
when he's playing the red ball, he's gotta be about
those white ball shots, you know. And certainly Chanderpaul can
battle long and share hope is a world class batsman.
So when you look at the team, it is a
team that's got some potential.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yeah, and mentioning on top of that too, another name,
Kevin Hodge, who didn't even get selected for the SOB
when people thought he might have been selected and has
started to fashion a record, hasn't he.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Yeah, Well, it is an interesting question you ask and
the one that people need to answer.
Speaker 9 (17:24):
As you know, when the West and East team went
to England, he made a hundred.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
In fact, he was the only West Indian batsman who
made a hundred and people were very very surprised that
he didn't play against the Australians and they know that
Dominickan's were extremely upset on my show that would call
and say, what's going on with Cavin Hodge. Actually, Hodge
should really be in the eleven because when you look
at the West Cindy's team, in my view, there's no
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need to play the extra ball in because you've got
Justin Graves, Jaden Seals, JS Seals, Johanan and Keemar Roach.
Speaker 9 (17:57):
You've got six.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
I know that the conditions suited the medium paces and
those who can build a bit quicker, but with someone
like a Roust and Chase, then think there's an overlord
of bawling. So one would have thought, and I suspect
that what they will do for the next test is
to bring him in and possibly drop jo hand Lane.
Speaker 9 (18:16):
He really should have been in the first tests.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Yeah. Interesting, Then I was just going to ask you
what should they do from afar as you know the
team and the players and the performances, Well, that would
be the change that you would make.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
Yeah, no question about that, because you know, you know
as much as chemar Ross did that at number number eight.
I don't think he's really number eight batsmen and they're
really are a batsman short, you know, and you know
you've got it at the top, you know, you know
two batsmen who have not been in and out of
course you know recently John Campbell got a hundred, and
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then of course Atanez has been showing glimpses. I hope
is a very very good player. The captain is a
big worry, there's no question about that. And then you've
got Imlac who's not playing well. There's a third or
fourth Test match, so the art on farm and short
and experience, and one would have thought someone who did
so very well in England making that one hundred, and
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then you also got a decent score in Australia where
he won that Test match, would have been in the side.
So I would think that they're going to look at
the construct of the side and bring Calvin Hodge into
this side. And you vote Johann lane Au j Seals,
the big fastballer, twenty nine year old teacher from Jamaica,
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spotted by the former England You know a batsman Roland Butcher,
who was then a selector, has looked impressive and I
think that he will hold onto his place, So I
expect the Westinings to make a change. Bringing Hodge and
he wote young fastballer.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Lane the Western he looked as though they were more
intent on a draw in this game. And you know,
if you look at it, if I'd been a bit
more assertive on that filder, they could quite easily have
reached that target the way they were playing. Did you
see it that way? Or am I a little bit
too critical?
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Well that's a very interesting question and interesting observation as well,
because only today I was on the road and there
was this gentleman who said to me, look, you know,
I think the West Cindy's team should have gone for
the victory.
Speaker 9 (20:27):
You know, you can't criticize them.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Because the reality is, you know, you'd lost six wickets,
you know, got a long tail, and although at one
stage it certainly looked as if they would have done it,
but I think they've made up their minds once Hope
got out and got out that despite the fact that
Graves was going well and Chemo rochow Wall who actually
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back as seventy two consecutive deliveries without getting a single
I think it was pretty clear that they did not
want to go for the victory. But when you look
at it one stage, had they contemplated they could have
gone for it, and to be honest with you, had
they gone for the victory and lost, I don't.
Speaker 9 (21:05):
Think there would have been a great deal of criticism
in the Caribbean.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
No, it's an interesting one. I mean you faced with
that issue, particularly being a World Test Championship too, where
points are significant in the West, and he didn't have
any from five games. So they've started now with some points,
haven't they.
Speaker 9 (21:22):
Yeah, Yeah, and that's critical. I mean we had done
the Pekenorda.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
You know against Australia, we were completely outplayed, you know,
I mean against England, and you know in New Zealand
there's the expectation that we would have actually lost all
three Test mats and it's going to be happening for
the second Test.
Speaker 9 (21:41):
I would imagine it would be buoyed.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
By the fight that they assured in the first Test match.
You've got one or two challenges to in terms of injuries,
and I think the best cities are no hoping that
they can do pretty well and challenge seriously in the
second tests.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Yeah, I mean, you make the most interesting point about
the bowling attack too, the fact that the new man
came in and he looked impressive. You're not going to
get a million dollars out of him in the first
Test match, but you know, if he can use the
development shields the way he's shun, then you know you've
got that makeup of bowlers and you get those players
back Zarry Joseph and Jama Jos Joseph, You've got the
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makings of a bowling attack. And I mentioned that before
this series that you know you were going to be
dangerous with that attack. You haven't quite got what you
want there, but you know there's no reason to be
depressed by at all, is there?
Speaker 9 (22:33):
Yeah? I agree with you.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
You know when you look at audio shields and you know,
I've got great respect for Roland Butcher, who quite stunningly
was removed as a select. He knows the game inside
out and I remember talking to him and he said
to me, first of all, he was the one who
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told me about Shama Joseph and he picked him as
a result of playing CPR cricket. He told me there
was a NOOV board so fast and he's told the
then Convenence Selectors Desmond Heynes that here was a young
man that had the ability and look what happened when
he came in to the West Indies team. And he
also made the same comment about O. J. Shields about
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a year and a half ago. He said to me Andrew,
I've seen this big, strong fastball from Jamaica. He certainly
got some gas and I think that he's one that
certainly should be considered. And I was speaking to some
of the Barbados crickets when the regional tournament was held
last year and they said in Caribbee in Paradiz, he
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was hitting the back hard and he's big and strong,
he's fit, and he's got some pace. And I like
him because I think a combination of as Zari Joseph,
Samara Joseph, O J. Shields and of course Jaden Seals
and of course the experience of a Keema Roach that
in my view brand is a pretty decent attack.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Yeah. How important was came?
Speaker 1 (24:00):
I right?
Speaker 2 (24:01):
That experience to my mind played a big part.
Speaker 9 (24:03):
You know, when you talk about Keema Roach.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
He only got in to the squad because of the injury,
the injuries to Azarid Joseph and to Shamar Joseph because
as you know, when the Australians were in the Caribbean earlier,
there were three Test matches and Keemar Roach was not selected.
In fact, we had Anderson Philip Beans selected.
Speaker 9 (24:28):
Ahead of him.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Although head coached Darren Sammy made an interesting comment. I
don't think many people believe the comment that he made
when he said that there was always room for Keima
rot Roch only got into the best Cindy's squad because
of the injuries. And you know he's got two hundred
and ninety one Test wickets. He's been a wonderful servant
of westge Cirk for quite a long time. And look
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what he did with both Bat and Bob picking up
five wickets and then you know saving the Test match
in fact against Pakistani the last billet sad a part
in the last wicket partnership. He actually was able to
win the Test match. I know him very well. He's
a Barbadian. I see him play cricket in local cricket
here in Barbados, and he's got a good defense, good
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technique and he's actually played the spinners very well. So
there's the value in Keemar Roch using all of his
experience as a baller and towards the back end of
the in ends, certainly has done a pretty good job.
Speaker 9 (25:22):
So congrat listens to.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Him, Thanks very much, Andrew. Yes, Well, a happy bunch
of campers in that part of the world. I guess
they've got reason to be happy as well too with
the performance, particularly of Justin Greeves. We expected from Hope
and we got it from him. But Grieves has shown that,
you know, there is something there that they can build
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the future of the Caribbean crickanon.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
If I think we touched on Hope one of the
previous podcasts said that he seemed to be someone with
the genuine ability and and showed it. Showed it this
this taste with Grieves, I well, I knew nothing on them,
but pretty fine innings. That said, if I'm ever going
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to make runs is on a flat deck in the
sun with about three bowlers. I'm taking that.
Speaker 9 (26:19):
Aren't I so?
Speaker 2 (26:20):
But that happens now in it, you know, I mean
the good week and two, isn't it?
Speaker 9 (26:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:24):
And can I just can I just mention I heard
some nonsense about should we have substitute our bowlers or
something was raised by by someone and I thought, sorry,
no is the answer. It's Test cricket.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
That wasn't you, Jerry was It wasn't certainly wasn't me.
Speaker 6 (26:42):
I'm very sympathetic to what Moose is saying about it's
the hardest format of the game, and you prepare yourself.
And I did mention earlier, was didn't I? I think
our players have to. If you're moving from white ball cricket,
totally white ball cricket from October right through, you know
the game's coming up, you'd start to build up and
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prepare yourself.
Speaker 7 (27:04):
And if that means.
Speaker 6 (27:05):
Playing a four day match so that you get fifteen
overs and then twenty overs and the second innings, even
if it's not at full one hundred percent all the time,
you are ready to bowl for the rigors of a
Test match. It is a Test match. You can't get
any higher and harder. I mean we know that help.
I mean one days are a little bit harder, but
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you're still only three spells, so you're getting sort of
three two, you know that sort of and then a
four or something like that. Sometimes you don't even get
your ten overs. And then of course in T twenty
I mean it's it's just that's four overs, so I
mean it's not getting you ready for Test cricket though,
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is it that stuff?
Speaker 3 (27:48):
No, it isn't.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Indeed, good point raised by Moose and the emphatic no
supports everything you said, which was no, and well done
to that.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
Brian Waddle. Jeremy Cooney on the front foot.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
England, well, if you're an English cricket fan and you
you paid money to go to watch the Esher series,
boy you'd be cursing them at the moment. Ben Stokes
has questioned as players mentality after their crushing defeat by Australia.
He's seeing his dressing room is not a place for
weak men. And another critic, of course has been Michael Vaughan.
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England tore aside that for three or four years now
have played one way and I just think teams know
how to play against them and that's a real worry
and there's been critics, are plenty of them. Interesting comment
though from Stokes Jerry that the dressing room is not
a place for weak men. He's certainly testing their psychological
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approach and ability to stand up with his Australians, doesn't.
Speaker 6 (28:52):
He Oh, I don't know, I thought they were all
supposed to be mates. That's the sort of thing that
McCullum has been kind of building up, hasn't it over
the last two or three years. We're all together in this,
But they are they're making this making mistakes. We've already
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spoken about how Test cricket is not one dimensional. That
you need to be able to survive certain periods and
dig in at certain times and be freer at other times.
And certainly that's exacerbated when you play in a day
night match. There are times of the day when the
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game is obviously harder than others and easier at certain
times as well. So the Australian seemed to be to
be quite smart. They batted quite slowly, didn't they when
stark and was it bowl and were together for a
long time, and they took up and they used up
that time so that when they bowled they were going
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to bowl in the period when the light was changing.
Seemed very very There's nothing way too smart than that, guys,
is there. It's just basic cricket and trying to put
your team into the best place. But I don't see
that from England. I don't even see that level of
intelligence going on. So they deserve really to be where
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they are at the moment loose cricket, and it's been
costly against the side that for Australia. It's not their
best side, is it. You know, you you bring it.
I mean with the bowling particularly, it's not. And they're
looking around for the top order players, but they're not.
They're not hopeless players. They're steady and their systems have
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worked to get those levels of players into that side,
even though it's not Cummins or Hazel with those those
kinds of bowlers, so they are able to speck them
and they do the job for you.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
I think one of your earlier hosts in an earlier
podcast very stupidly observed that this coming test pinkball test
could could be difficult for them and that the whole
thing might unravel. It was again, oh yes that was me.
But so it's so it's proven now when you look
down that list of of the first innings of Australia,
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no one failed. Everyone day Again, there had to be
that you had to be impressed with us. You talked
on the fact that Jerry they're pulling players in, but
a lot of these players are very experienced cricketers. Niece
has been around for a long time being in the squad,
had a really good role to play, took up an end,
gave Stark time he was he was impressive. I did
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enjoy watching Cary stand up with the stumps to him.
I think, you know, it's a long lost art, but
that looked fantastic. Put pressure on the batsman. And the
other thing about.
Speaker 6 (31:49):
Not a bad moves not a bad catch either. When
he turned round and ran back with a lamber shine,
imagine him trying to pull your trousers down and he's
taken the catch as well, running away with his back
to the to the wicket.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Oh absolutely. Here's the point that I'll probably want to
cut to. Is England drop five catches? Its text the catchers,
they do the basics very very well. They get them.
You make a mistake, we'll get you. Even though it's
not their best team, we will still get you in
the field. And in the story eight wickets.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
England had a chance. They battered reasonably well on their
first innings, but they just didn't have the commitment that
they needed to. They've got three hundred and twenty something
or other on it, but they gave away five.
Speaker 7 (32:32):
Hundred one of the poor, wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Yeah, well you know, and they are supposed to be
the ones that were going to rip Australia a part
the England bowling. It was interesting too. Another comment that
really fascinated me was Brendan McCullum said England trained too
much amid criticism of their preparations. I'm sorry, I can't
wear that comment. You can't train too much. It's not
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about quantity, it's quality, isn't it. And somehow I don't
think they've had the quality that they need to prepare
themselves for test matches. You can't train too much, can you?
Speaker 3 (33:09):
I think good training in short periods is the key.
But there's something something's going to miss there. I heard
overnight various interviews from Butcher through to Harmison who are
strongly suggesting that McCallum could be on his last leagus.
Now doesn't surprise because the knives have been out for
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quite a while, haven't they For Brendan McCullum. But when
you make statements like that, you rather invite these sorts
of strong criticisms and doesn't help your cause, especially when
you're getting flogged.
Speaker 6 (33:46):
No training short, the shortest amount that the most intense
training is what you basically want, isn't it fit as
much training into the shortest amount of time as possible.
I remember Congo and seventy three had us going for
six hours a day. We would actually have a morning
and then we'd hit that, get lunch and nice little
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horror Sarah's salad, and then and then out we'd go
again for another three hours. So that's I think that's
not the way to approach training. But I think they're
talking about going to Brisbane early and practicing under lights,
which makes sense to me. So you should, so you should.
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Didn't seem to work, did it, really? I'm afraid the
catching wasn't there. You've got to hold your catchers. We
drop five as I said, as well, and some bad
ones and it does cost you over the game, There's
no doubt about that.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
It allows partnerships to build and give sides the ability
to develop titles that they might not normally have been
able to do. We'll wait and see, but it looks
like the Ashes are gone. I don't see England getting
three Test victories to secure the Ashes from Australia.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
On the front foot. With Waddle and Cody, A group.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Of retired Black Cap cricketers include former Test captain Mark
Burgess and John Parker, sign an open letter to the
backers of proposed independent T twenty cricket competition outlining their
grave fears about the contact concept. The plans have been
revealed for some time. The group of players, with hundreds
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of Test caps between them, say they fear for the
game's future and worry about the financing of the proposed competition.
I guess we're all going to be worried about that.
But the issue, Jerry, I don't know whether you were
asked to sign the letter of a former players, but
to me it seems simple. You've got to get together,
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decide on a concept for T twenty. Whether you want
T twenty or not, you're going to have to live
with it because it's part of the world game, and
come up with a unanimous decision that everybody can buy into.
We don't want to have a standard argument at board
level or between players and former players and current players
and those kinds of things. It seems to me as
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though it could be something that's easy to settle, but
it's been ongoing in private for quite some time.
Speaker 6 (36:14):
Yeah, it has was. I don't quite know the absolute details. Yes,
I was asked, and I had to look at the
letter and those sort of things.
Speaker 7 (36:25):
I just felt I needed to know a little bit
more about what the fourth option.
Speaker 6 (36:32):
We knew the three options anyway, and we've talked about
one of them. The big bash before the fourth option
seemed to be just slightly secretive. I don't quite know
why that was. If it was a good option, put
it up with the other ones. There was a structure
there wasn't there. They were all going to be looked
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at by Deloittes. Deloittes have looked at THEE hundred over
in England, and they've looked at the Essay twenty. They've
been involved in those, so that seemed sensible to ask them.
They might have got something from those ex experiences. But
I mean, I don't I don't know why in New
Zealand we have We've got such a small cricket community
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and it just seems personalities like to push forward and
take over. Look if the system throws up some choices
that not everybody likes, and you know, whether that's.
Speaker 7 (37:32):
A person or whether it's the board or some parts
of this.
Speaker 6 (37:35):
And that you've got to live with it until that
that period of thing is over, that players over and
you never make that mistake again.
Speaker 7 (37:45):
That's my view of the of the way it should
be handled.
Speaker 6 (37:48):
But we are currently going through personality clashes and I'm
not sure it helps the game. So I just felt
if it was good enough, the whole lot should have
been put forward, reviewed and examined so that it's the
best choice for the New Zealand players, the develop of
the up and comers, for the fans, for commercial reasons,
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you know, in order for the game to thrive.
Speaker 7 (38:14):
Here.
Speaker 6 (38:15):
Basically, I am a bit concerned that this is twenty twenty, right,
this is one of three formats, and I just what
I don't want to see the option chosen that it
prevents and already prune down playing of the test format
here in New Zealand.
Speaker 7 (38:36):
I was lucky to play over fourteen.
Speaker 6 (38:38):
Years and we enjoyed the time playing the new format,
which was one day cricket, and we did it Nozzy
lots of times, day night matches, World Cups and so on,
tournaments and ods stunder down under all that sort of stuff.
And look, since the arrival of twenty twenty in private equity,
which is I mean that.
Speaker 7 (39:00):
The tipping point has passed.
Speaker 6 (39:02):
It's behind us now the players are being made wealthy.
Good on them, that's good timing by them. But pests
is my format of choice, and any option they choose,
if that reduces the chances and prevents us playing test matches,
I am emphatically saying no way from me.
Speaker 7 (39:24):
But that doesn't matter. I don't matter.
Speaker 6 (39:28):
But that's how I feel about the choice that they
are confronting.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
I think that any option that has the ability to
bring capital into the New Zealand game, and this is
how it's being somewhat promoted, is a good thing because
capital is the thing that drives commerce, sport, and there
(39:56):
is capital sloshing around the world looking for places. Although
I do think that perhaps we're a little bit late
to the party, that's it. It does appear to be
this whole approach of the T twenty group will consortium,
if you can call it, that seems to be. There
(40:17):
are conflicts all over the place. I think the president
or whatever of Wellington Cricket seems to be involved. Now
I don't know how that plays. We've got board members
from the president.
Speaker 7 (40:30):
Knew that was going to come. That's Mordling you're talking
about right now. Brilliant charge and keep charging.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
I mean, I mean so I think, I mean the chairman.
I mean that that puts a big question mark for me.
How does that play?
Speaker 9 (40:46):
Aren't you?
Speaker 3 (40:47):
Is there a conflict in this somewhere? And and we've
got the CEO of the Players Association? Okay, fair enough?
What's going on here? What I struggle with and I
agree with you, Jerry, If this is going to affect
our ability to play test matches in places like Australia next,
(41:09):
then this has to be an emphatic no. What I
always like to look at here and these sorts of
things we're light on detailers to one, how is it funded?
Who's funding it? And where does the money go? And
always follow the money? Is the trick here?
Speaker 9 (41:26):
Now?
Speaker 3 (41:26):
My impression would be is there are certain people there
who perhaps self interest might be a strong, strong, strong play.
I'm not accusing anyone of anything, you know, and if
you can earn good dash out of a US setting
up a program, then all power to you. But there's
no transparency here. We don't have any vision on this,
(41:49):
and so therefore, what is the motivation of all this, however,
I think set us quo, Big Bash, T twenty and
whatever else is there, it's appropriate for Indie Zealand Cricket
to consider these, but there needs to be some more
detail and I love to flush out kind of how's
(42:09):
it going to actually operate and how's it going to
make money? Given the fact that you know, where are
we going to be playing it with the with the
so and so Mumbai mumby Wellington Thunder, playing whoever with
about fifty people on some random ground.
Speaker 9 (42:26):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (42:27):
Yeah, well those are key questions I think for me,
where do you play the games?
Speaker 7 (42:32):
Who's going to go and watch? Where's the money coming from?
Speaker 6 (42:34):
Because they've actually the GMR group have pulled out, so
they now are looking for cash from some other source. Obviously,
I look, let's just wait and see what happens. It's
a little bit early for us to make our minds
up until we know the detail.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
Yeah, yeah, I think it's something that we need to
know and get some information about, and I'm sure more
of that will be forthcoming. A chance to talk about
things like that at the test match at the base
Reserve your gang.
Speaker 10 (43:05):
Mosey, I yes, I am I have an invitation to
a little of bit there, being a well and truly
passed an over a player.
Speaker 7 (43:17):
Are you going to be a floppy Are you going
to wear your floppy hat?
Speaker 3 (43:20):
Most no floppy hat, but stripey blazer.
Speaker 7 (43:23):
I'm going okay, good man, I'm going here. Well, Wads,
you'll be in your stripe blazer too, won't you.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
Yeah, And you'll be dressed up like a radio commentary,
won't you.
Speaker 7 (43:32):
Oh well, that's jeans jeans. Yeah, that's.
Speaker 6 (43:37):
Just had a ripped T shirt from being down you know,
down there at Courtney Place right throughout the night.
Speaker 7 (43:43):
You know what Courtney Place.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
I'm not sure that that's a place to go, Jerry.
I was there. I was there on the weekend, and
it's not you there. Yeah, it's yeah. I was well,
I was. I was out of a birthday party and
it was held in a hotel not far from the
Courtney Place area. And I've got to say it's not
the most salubrious part of town these days. I mean,
(44:06):
I didn't see Moose down there, but I mean he's
probably gone more up market in his aging years.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
Oh look, no question about that. No, you won't catch
me down that place there. I think I know the establisher.
You may well have been an excellent deb but for
a moment there I just thought you were an older
person lost Brian, but that was not the case.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
Well I am.
Speaker 7 (44:27):
I think you're both in trouble.
Speaker 6 (44:28):
Frankly, I think to see you two down there at
Courtney Place. Anything after three point thirty in the afternoon,
you're gone.
Speaker 7 (44:37):
You are gone.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
We need some good test cricket to see us through
so that we don't have to spend time down in
the Courtney Place. So nice to have had you guys along.
We can reminis about Courtney Place over this Test match
and a cup of coffee here, there and everywhere, and
enjoy test cricket at its finest. We hope. Thank you
guys at.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
The finest cricket ground in New Zealand, if you don't mind,
and I look forward to your erudite comments.
Speaker 6 (45:04):
Jerry, Yeah, I'll bring my tuba lie with.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
Good stuff. Thanks you guys, to see.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
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Speaker 5 (45:24):
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