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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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or was a bit late now to start having New
Year greetings to my fellow front putter.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
What hello and the Happy New Year to you and
your family and all our listeners. You're probably a bit
late once, but look I'm I'm in post post recovery
at the stage, aren't you?
Speaker 5 (01:35):
Or have you well through it?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
By now, oh, look, I've been running half marathons.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
You mean you're putting the you're putting the rubbish outs,
are you?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
No, I'm chasing the grandchildren.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Okay, yeah, look I'm chasing them around.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, I'm going to start with a real bit of trivia.
You know, I don't know if you've sat there and
watched the coverage from the Test match in Sydney, but
you know, I mean, I've got to turn the sound down.
I cannot live with some of the crap they talk.
But here we go. Has there ever this is for
the this is for the listeners. Has there ever been
a taller eight nine to ten batting trio than Green,
(02:17):
Webster and Stark. Now, I don't know whether you've got
the answer that. I mean, Ambrose and Walsh might find something.
Speaker 6 (02:24):
Yes, it was.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Tall to go with them, and if they brought Garnerman
too as well, yeah that would be useful.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
But they were playing a different era of those ones.
But anyway, if you if you can think of one
on the front foot twenty to gmail dot com. But
I mean Green, Webster and Start and Stark is the
shortest of them.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Yeah, yeah, it is that leads you into things like
the balled eleven and the and the short eleven.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
Do you know what I mean? When a rainy day
a beard of eleven.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
First choice, wouldn't he?
Speaker 5 (03:03):
He might be there? Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Well we'll start off bit of trivia, but never mind,
let's go to the World T Twitty squad just announced
and well predictable, experienced players with a lot of Ta
twitty skills sent as the captain Finnellen Bracewall. That's Michael Bracewall,
Mark Chapman, Devin Conway, Jacob Duffy, Lockey Ferguson, Matt Henry,
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Daryl Mitchell, Adam mil James, Nisham, Glenn Phillips, Russian ravender At,
Tim saiffertt Ish Sodi and Kyle Jameson is a pace
bowling reserve and experience no surprises as such, Jerry Jacob
Duffy a certainty on his form over the last twelve months.
You can't leave him out of any side, can you.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
No, he deserves his spots through performance, doesn't he. And
that's where you want to where you want to have it.
The other fast bowlers are interesting slightly to me.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
You've got.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Ferguson and Milne both both have been susceptible to fitness worries,
haven't they. Ferguson currently with a calf issue, He's not
the only one with some problems in that sort of sense.
Van Allen's got a hamstring and Chapman's got an ankle,
and I think Satner recently has had an aductor. Hasn't
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he has a he'said they've all had little problems and
whether I guess they're saying their injuries will be all
right by the time the games come around, starting.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
For New Zealand on about the eighth of February, So.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Yeah, and I think there are some There are some positions,
you might say the spinners, maybe Lenox and Addie airshock
a bit early for them, maybe, but they'll be pushing
perhaps for the next next one. When you say experience,
I hope it's not tired experience for some of these
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plate players. Certainly with the prevalence of T twenty at
the moment, it seems to me that it's a chance
to change your life if you play well.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
Batting.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Should Robinson be there as a place he'd be the
next one for me? And then is there a chance
for Jacobs, who's going into this preliminary number of games
in the middle order. If he can play well enough,
will he put some pressure on some of those players in.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
Terms of the batting.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
In terms of the all rounders, Folks is not there,
not quite an all rounder yet, perhaps regarded more as
a bowling all rounder. And clarks And as the obvious
other one, Josh Clarkson is going, so they will have
a chance in this preliminary you know, series of matches
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as well. And also, hey, as the keeper presumably I'm
thinking Siphered will be the keeper of the match.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
The list of players you just gave me.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Yes, he is the man to do that job. I
have one reservation, and that is and I suppose it's
feeling a bit of sympathy for a player who's performed
pretty well. Robinson, who's been batting high in the order,
has the second highest run scorer in the past twelve
months for New Zealand and t twenties four hundred and
two runs averages forty four strike right of one hundred
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and forty four, scored one hundred against Australia. And he's
been replaced by Allen who to me is yeah, potential
match winner, but so too is Robinson, but I'm not
sure that. I'm not sure that Allen is a set
in Stone player. He's no Kin Williamson. And if he's
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going to the World T twenty, why isn't he Why
aren't some of these other players who are not going
for the T twenty matches going to that warm up series.
It's India. We've got our top players, but some of
them don't want to go. Conway has dipped out of
his South African contract early so that he can go
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to play in the T twenty warm up series, but
some of these other guys have stuck with their contracts. Well,
if it's that important to play for New Zealand and
they're not New Zealand contracted players, they should be there,
or don't prick them. That's my way of thinking.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Yeah, well, it's a reasonable point of view as well,
and you'd have to address that to Rob Walter, wouldn't
you wands to find out how the powers that be
feel on those issues, because you're highlighting someone like Conway
who's decided to regard it as important enough to get
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out of his you know, get out of his the
money grab if you like, and come and play in
an area that they're going to be playing for the
World Cup, So I'd argue with what you're bringing up there.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Really the other issue too, is the pace bowling one
that you pointed out. Yeah, Ferguson and Milne in particular
are injury prone, and I've got Kyle Jamison as a
pace bowling reserve. Well, just put him in. If you've
got any worries about those guys, put Jamison in there.
It seems as though Jamison has to really fight to
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get a game these days. He does a lot of practice,
and he does a lot of warm ups, and he
meets all the loading requirements. He's been bowling in T
twenty cricket here in New Zealand. Just put him in
the side or are they not confident that he's capable
of doing the job. I've seen him by a couple
of times and he was getting the ball to swing
into that big in ducker. He's got to the right handers.
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To me, is the sort of player that we need
to use that they seem so tentative about him. I
can understand being concerned about players and injuries and stuff,
but hey, get out and play. Players are going to
get injury, aren't they just pay them until they do
get injured.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Well, I mean Ferguson's also got paternity issues, hasn't there.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
I don't know whether he's going to be.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Going away and any of those or not, whether he
gets a quick trip back.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
I'm not sure, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
I mean you understand, you understand that caring for family
and and impending birth of child. But you know, before
before a game, Matt Henry is also in the same situation.
You know, we haven't got Henry and Ferguson, but Devin
Conroy could probably open the bowling at a pinch if
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if we want to to use them. I mean, I know,
I mean it's a it's a little bit flippant, but
that is that is one of the issues, isn't it.
And you know, fair enough, you've got to care for
families and that's important. These guys are on the road
a fair at a time. But it does, you know,
make it difficult and in some game where you might
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need a bit a pace. What happens if in those circumstances,
you know, there is an issue to to Milne, who's
the pace bowl or Duffy, you know, what do they do?
Speaker 6 (10:19):
Then?
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Yep, they've got that, that whole group. I mean, Duffy's
been pretty good, hasn't he. He's been able to buy
decent long spells, and he's shown his durability I think
a bit more than maybe the other ones or Henry.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
Henry generally is pretty fit to, isn't he.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
But I think there's more more the more suspect of
Ferguson and Milne. They've they've had injury problems in the past.
Just I guess just a shame that o'raw and see
Ers aren't aren't available as well. But but we're going
to have to live with that. They've selected this so
I'm not sure who'll open. Is it going to be ciphered?
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You would think would be one? And who's going to
who's going to go with him? And that's where Robinson
would obviously be a possibility if finale and isn't isn't
up to it and isn't fit I don't know, because
I think he's been dropped from his big best side
at the moment.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
So there are in issues just a little bit at
the top there.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
And you know that's very important to start of the innings,
isn't it. But they've gone for experience, they've gone for Ferguson,
they've gone from Milne for those reasons, I guess, and
the same in terms of finale. Who's been to those
the World Cup before. So look, let's hope they play well.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
They've got to.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
There are four groups of five, so there are twenty
teams in this tournament and New Zealand obviously will in
a group of five. They'll play four games. They play
here we go Afghanistan first, the same as it was
in the West Indies, but asking yeah, absolutely and two
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only two go through and you'll see that New Zealand
have got Afga Unastane first at Chennai on the eighth
of February. Not a bad time for watching actually, folks,
six thirty pm New Zealand time, I think at UAE.
Then they play on the tenth two days later at
Chennai again at ten thirty pm our time.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
And then another.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Tough one South Africa, who are playing very well, aren't
they generally in most formats at the moment. They'll be tough.
And that's the fifteenth of February. It's an am and Abad,
that's the Nirandramodi Stadium.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
They're the big one.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
And then back to Chennai against Canada. So those are
the four games New Zealand play and then the.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
Top two go through. So you would.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Think Afghanistan, South Africa, New Zealand would be ahead of
UAE and Canada.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Brian Waddell Jeremy Cooney on the front foot.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Confidence was high and the self belief was evident as
the England team embarked on. What they did was a
real chance to regain the Ashes in Australia against what
some regarded at the time as the weakest Australian side
in ten years. Well it wasn't, despite chances, three down
after three and many disappointed fans were left wondering what
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went wrong? Was it poor preparation, style of play unsuited
the Test cricket. It ended with a consolation two day Test,
weren't at the mcg and irrespective of the outcome of
the final Test, the greatest cricket contest has seen, the
status quo retained. One man who knows what's needed to
win the Ashes in Australia is former skipper Mike Gaffing,
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who led the side of eighty six. I spoke to
him from Sydney and the Tanana for him to come
on the front foot and join us and get how
disappointing was it to witness the first three Tests, the
ashes gone with two to play and now only playing
for a consolation result.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (14:07):
Absolutely.
Speaker 7 (14:08):
I mean the real sad thing is I remember I
was talking about bas ball and this and that, but
actually we forgot to do the basics well enough. And
I think if you look in the first Test match,
certainly at Perth at lunchtime on the second day we
were one hundred for one and all we had to
do was really bad for the rest of the day
sensibly and we would have been in the pound seats
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and probably would have won the Test match. We go
then to Brisbane and you know we dropped five catches
and you can't drop that amount of catches in a
Test match and expect to win it. And then again
at Adelaide, you know there were times when we were
in the match and we just didn't make the right
decisions at the right time. We didn't play you know,
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good enough cricket. We were disciplined enough, and I have
to say it all really comes back down to, you
know what sort of preparation. And I suppose one other
thing that I think that was very silly for us
to do. That was really put our sort of all
eggs in one ask it saying we're going to use
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Josh for Archer and Woody and Wood to actually really
give these guys a bit of a hurry up. And
with Wood having not played for eight months, it just
to me seems absolute folly to try and expect a
fast bowler to actually come in and actually bowl fast
for a long period of time and be a part
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of a strategy that is over five Test match. It's
not just one or two really, And so I think,
you know, we probably got it wrong and the guys
were bowling wrong lents, and yeah, it was just a
bit of a muddle, and some of the thinking was
I think flawed, and I think again Brendan's held his
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hands up and said he might well.
Speaker 6 (15:56):
Have got it wrong.
Speaker 8 (15:58):
Yeah it's all really want to say that, but you've
also got to do, as you say, the preparation, and
I just wonder whether that prep was there. You've still
got to have quality over quantity, and I'm not sure
that playing a white ball series here for some of
those players we seemed more interested in going to the
golf course was the sort of preparation they needed for
a Test match series.
Speaker 7 (16:18):
And on well, I mean that that had we had
we been winning matches, I mean, it wouldn't have been
a problem. The sort of scenario of well England didn't
have the time to play a warm up match doesn't
sort of seem to stack up because when you've got
nine days in between the first and second Test match
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and then eight days between the second and the third,
and you know this this is for you know that
the first one would have been one you would have
had a look at everybody and you're playing four day
and match you play it. Well, you still got four
days for the first Test match and that to me
would have been would have been very useful because then
you've got eight days in between the next one, which
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meant that the guys that did their did their bit
would have would have not played and possibly the guys
might play in other matches would get a knock too.
But you know, two matches is there's really not enough anyway,
I don't think. I mean, I think you know, when
you talk about bowlers, bowling in the nets is great,
but match fitness is another thing. When when your heart
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rates is a one twenty Bowl that your mates in
the net. Yes, you're trying hard and whatever, but it's
not quite the same as the pressure that people are
under in the Lashes Test match series out in the middle,
lots of people shouting and cheering and whatever, and the
old heart rate goes up a bit without without a
shadow of doubt, and of course that that that's something
that you know you need to be fit for.
Speaker 8 (17:47):
Yeah, I guess you can applauditude the aggressive style of four, five,
six and over if you can score at that rate approach.
But I just wonder whether at times some of the
key players were just a little rickless and not basically
attuned to propertismates.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
Well, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 7 (18:12):
I suppose that the problem is is when you do
give people the freedom to express themselves, as Brendan has done,
I suspect that the players themselves, I would like to
have thought, would have some sort of pride in their
performance they keep getting out the same way. Certainly, my
own personal thought would be that I would be looking
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to eradicate doing it time and time again, making the
wrong decisions, making the wrong calls, etc. So again, it's
about you know, when you play cricket, you try and
learn from mistakes quickly, and the best players learn from
their mistakes quickly, and you just can't keep doing the
same thing. And so I think this sort of scenario
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of giving the players' ability to express themselves hasn't been
returned in making some smart decisions at times, and smart
decisions needed to be made, and I think that's going
to be the responsibility and accountability of the players themselves.
Speaker 6 (19:15):
So I think they've got to take a huge.
Speaker 7 (19:18):
Amount of the the flack, if you like, because they
keep doing the same things wrong, and everybody who's watching
the game love the game and they can actually see
that too, and they get a bit frustrated. So I
just wonder why the players aren't getting frustrated and trying
to change things. Yes, play with play with, play with
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freedom when you can, but sometimes you've got to dig
in and sometimes you've got to use your head. And
we saw a bit test match at Sydney where Brooks
got in and Roots playing really well and all of
a sudden brook went mad for sort of twenty minutes
trying to hook everything out with four men back on
the boundary, and he very fortunately.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
Got away with it all.
Speaker 7 (19:56):
Is that the way he's going to play. Is that
good for the team? I don't know.
Speaker 6 (20:03):
I can only only ask and sort of ask the
question of.
Speaker 7 (20:08):
Does he does he you know, does he understand his responsibility?
And then he might say, well, that's the way I
feel comfortable playing. And if that's the case, where people
are going to take account of that and see what happens.
But as a captain, if you keep doing what he's
doing and getting out in important moments, it doesn't bode
well for a team, I don't think, because he has
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to be accountable, he has to take responsibilities exactly as
Ben Stokes has tried to do. He tried to show
the guys what they needed to do. He bowled really
well and he and he sort of just went out
and did the only thing he could do, which was
show the guys how he thought that sometimes we should
be playing and that was that was that was quite
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sort of what I would say at the four four front,
and people noticed that and they appreciated that. In the
amount of times when a four defensive was played by
one or two people from the crowd, I think sort
of should have actually got through to the players that
actually the crowd are pretty fed up with what they're doing,
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and they come a long way to watch some good
cricket and spend a lot of money and you know,
at the end of the day they they've been sort
of short changed.
Speaker 8 (21:23):
Yeah, most definitely. I know you can't live in the
past or go back to past years. But when you
were in Australia in eighty six you had two spin
bowlers and I think one of them was your leading wikitaker,
John Inenbury might have been the leading wicke taker in
that series. Spin seems to be almost non existent of Australia.
Are not going to pick lion? Why would England want
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to pick a spin or have they got a spinner
that could do the job that was done so fively
for you in eighty six.
Speaker 7 (21:53):
Well, you know that's a problem from our county game.
Speaker 6 (21:56):
And I suppose again.
Speaker 7 (21:58):
It's we've to a degree pressed the self destruct button
in the UK with regards what pictues we play on,
what time of the year we play, et cetera, et cetera.
Having said all that, John Embery and Philip Edmonds always
played in every match we played at Middlesex, whether it
was April, May or September, and obviously they played through
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through the summer, but there's no real summer type of
matches going on are enough for a spinner to actually
learn his trade. And when it does turn, the pitches
get reported, which is ridiculous because when it seems around
and you've got a four day match and a four
day pitch in April, you know it is going to
seem around and people have got a battle of bit.
Speaker 6 (22:40):
But when the sort of.
Speaker 7 (22:42):
The stuff comes from up top, up high, from whoever
it might be, that be Rob Key or whatever saying
we want players to play with freedom, and that it
gives an awful lot of leeway to a lot of
young players who need to learn a bit of discipline
about their game. And I think, you know, it's sort
of creeping in here into Australia as well, because I've
never seen such a lack of a lack of openers
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who are pushing for Test places, and the same in
the UK. And you know, again certainly from the spinner's
point of view, because the guys don't play a lot
of cricket in my view anyway, they don't bowl enough
overs that that includes the seams.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
They don't bowl enough to get bowling fit. And the
same with the spinners.
Speaker 7 (23:23):
So we're playing on wickets that aren't aren't conducive to spin.
We're playing on wickets that making it very hard for
opening batters to have to battle through every time. There's
never really a flat pitch or not a pitch they
can build the beginnings on.
Speaker 6 (23:37):
It's hard and.
Speaker 7 (23:38):
You've got to find a way, and sadly I don't
think sometimes you know, when they look at the money
being earned in ipl trying to battle away in a
four day matchments snipping all over the place is not
the sort of first thing that comes to the to
the forefront of the mind.
Speaker 8 (23:56):
There's a lot made of the Melbourne pitch and I
suppose last and listen in two days, no surprise, a
minor merit point to my mind, it's a sort of
whit trim to get punishment for.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
For the MCG.
Speaker 8 (24:10):
Was it as bad as it is made out to
be or was there a lack of good technique and
approach that didn't combat difficult conditions?
Speaker 7 (24:20):
Well again that that that really comes down to it. Yes,
it did do, did do a lot. And you know
when I sort of said, well, you never quite know
what you're going to get at the MCG anyway, it's
always been a bit unpredictable.
Speaker 6 (24:35):
The pitch itself.
Speaker 7 (24:38):
Does tend to seem a bit early doors and then
at the end it goes with up and down and
actually turns a bit. I mean, you know, all who's
got lots of five is at mcg. They deliberately left
three centimeters on the pitch at Melbourne from the one
that was in Perth apparently, so you were going to
have to expect it to probably do a bit. And yes,
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the old ball was was quite moved quite a lot.
But again you know some of the shots that were
played to sort of what i'd say normally good balls
just outside the off stump that you might leave.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
We didn't and they didn't. And again you had a
Test match that finished in.
Speaker 7 (25:20):
Two days which was just quite incredible, and you have
to ask whether the authorities at the Cricket Australia had
identified two pitches that were going to be result pitches
for their seemers, which was obviously Berth and Melbourne. And
was that the order that came from there? I don't know,
but it seemed very strange having had a two day
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Test match to actually possibly give the opportunity for it
to happen again, it's not particularly good for cricket. I
never thought i'd see a two day Test match, let
alone two in three Test matches. I mean it was
just again quite incredible and you know, to be fair,
as I said, England have had a chance in certainly
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two out of the three matches in Adelaide as well.
I mean, we were playing well and all of a
sud you know Smith is it start for four fours
and then tries to do a fifth for no reason
whatsoever and gets out when they were getting pretty closer
down to double figures. And you know, Brooke did it
at the Oval against India when you know there was
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seventy to win with him and Joe in we didn't
have Wokesie and you know, instead of just knocking it
around and because they were in total control as well
Smith by the way he was playing, and you just
don't do that, you know, you you look at the
situation and you make the right decision. So you know,
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we all make mistakes. I've made many in my life,
as we all have, but you try not to keep
doing it. And if you see other members of the
team doing it and doing it at the wrong time,
surely you should be learning from that and learning from
other people's mistakes, especially when it comes down to game situations.
Speaker 6 (27:04):
Because that's what it's about.
Speaker 7 (27:05):
So is it the fact they don't play many games
in there, or they don't plan these sort of situations.
Therefore you know they're not They don't understand what what
what what the what the pluses and minuses are of
certain things at certain times.
Speaker 6 (27:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (27:20):
It just seems strange because you know, I know it's changed,
and I know there's a lot more shots out they were.
I sure Brook back in New Zealand as you did.
I mean, there wasn't any of this real sort of
gung ho charging down it bowlers back over their heads,
but the back came up straight. It came down straight.
You might play the odd odd little shuffle down the wicket,
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but it never it was never like the frenetic stuff
that we see at this moment in time. And I
just wonder why that's happened. But as I say, people
have got to learn from from what you do in
a team and and identify the sort of situations of
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the match and and maybe make better decisions.
Speaker 8 (28:05):
Pleads to the sort of final question about the future
of either players or coaches or managers of Indian cricket.
Does Sir Brendan McCallum survive, should he survive as the coach?
Speaker 7 (28:20):
Well, look I think he's he's held his hands out
and say yes, he's probably he's probably got it wrong,
as I say, what what?
Speaker 6 (28:27):
What worries me, honestly, Ryle is.
Speaker 7 (28:31):
These people who actually are looking after our bowlers fitness
wires and stuff like that. The fact that you know,
you've got a guy who's who's been out for eight
months and hasn't played any any any real tough cricket
or anything, and you expect him to go into a
Test match really fired up as a Test match and
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really hasn't been put under an awful lot of pressure
when he's been bowling apart from in the next to whatever,
How do these guys say that these people are fit?
Speaker 6 (29:03):
You know?
Speaker 7 (29:03):
And Archers Archer did really well, but in the end
he's gone back with a side screen acting and another one,
you know, coming back with a hamstring. And yet someone
like Mitchell Stark and you know Nissa and I know
they bowl slightly slower, but they're still bowling. Stark is
bowling quick, and I appreciate bowling is hard, and the
fact is you've got to do some hard work to
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get your body in the right right.
Speaker 6 (29:26):
Sort of space.
Speaker 7 (29:28):
And you know, and I take my hat off to
the bowlers because it's bloody hard work. So you know,
the question for me is they put a strategy together
around the fast bowl of one of which was recovering
and you know, to me that sort of sent the
wrong message because having played out here most of the
things and you then watched the Australians bowl even Stark
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and what sort of lengths they bowled and and all
that sort of stuff, and we had got this in
our mind that we were going to bowl shorten this
and that and the other, and we were going to it.
Just it just to me just seeing understanding the game,
and obviously one the preparation was needed to we bowled
the wrong lengths and lines, especially when you're playing at
Perth where it bounce is quite high, and you know
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generally the wickets over here have a little bit more
bounce in them. So there are just lots of little things.
But the sports scientists seem to don't seem to understand
what it takes to actually bowl you've got to bowl,
especially the fast bowlers and especially the spinners. But we
seem to wrap people up and you stop people playing
because they need to rest, you know. And I'll go
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back to the old sand that I don't believe that
the less you play, the better you get at it,
and the less you play, the stronger you get to
bowl your overs. And if they have these things called
red spots where they say, oh, you could get injured,
so does that mean once you see a red spot,
that's the level you're at and you won't get past it.
Because if you stop at the red spot all the time,
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you're never going to go through and get any fitter.
And there's training fit and there's match fit. As we
all know in football as well, you can train as
hard as you like, but actually match fitness is a
totally different animal. And again I think that's the same
in cricket. And the last two people have stayed really
fit for a long period of time, although they certainly
Broady had a serious injury, but they managed to bowl
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their overs and they very rarely sort of didn't play
a match. But Woody's been going now for ten ten
years and probably played about thirty eight test matches and
you've just got to wonder, you know why Jimmy, I
know he doesn't bowl as fast as Joffer or Atkinson
Broady probably not, but they bowled their overs, lots of overs,
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and that was because they played more like consider the
right way to actually get their bodies used to bowling,
you know, alonger spells and actually have a bit more
sort of durability about them because their bodies are stronger.
So I'd just like to understand what these sports scientists
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and why they're not getting the creditism too, because it
really does make a huge impact on when you're touring
Australia that you need people to stay fit for five
for five five matches and Stark has proven that nessa
boland And so you know you're going to ask what
are they doing differently to ours?
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Yes, well, I guess the England squad are going to
be able to get time to recover and prepare for
New Zealand arriving in June. I assume you're you're still
with your tour groups in Australia. How are they enjoying
things through the issues bearing the mind the issues are
not going back with you?
Speaker 7 (32:45):
Well, no, they're not there's there's quite a bit in
this Test match. People said it's a dead Test match,
but there's a lot of people on the Australian team
that are playing for matches for their places. There's a
lot of people retiring, there's a lot of people thinking
of retiring, and so you know there are some important
issues for individuals on both sides to prove they can play,
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to prove that they're learning. I think Crawle is probably
one of those that's taking them sixty Test matches. He's
trying to back like an opening batsman now and it
was quite noticeable from the people I spoke to on
tours and not how they've noticed how differently he's played,
but it's taken them sixty Test matches almost. You know,
everybody's trying to be a little bit less flamboyant, I
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think is the word you've got to say, apart from broxy.
But no, it is notice they have seemed to have
changed their ways a bit, but you have to over here,
the bounce and the pitch is different and far too
me people going hard at the ball. So as I say,
there's a lot on this Test match and if England
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can win it, we've lost three too. We've lost the ashes,
but when you think the teams that are out there
in this final Test match, Australia and England have both
lost their top three bowlers.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Thank you very much. Get to have you with uson
look forward to the chance of talking to you again sometime.
Interesting stuff. Jerry mike Getting, of course as a very
deep thinker on the game and has some strong opinions
on many aspects. I was interested he seemed to deflect
a little bit on the Brendan McCullum role and should
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he be replaced. He saw bigger issues away from the
coaching one for the England side.
Speaker 8 (34:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (34:38):
I don't think he really tried to dodge it.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
I just felt he just moved away quite quickly from
your question.
Speaker 5 (34:47):
But he makes some good points, doesn't he.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
I think there's a lot of frustration about what's occurred.
Highly anticipated series, but a lot of the English actually
believed they had a really good chance of reversing their
regular thrashings that they received down in Australia two two
day tests. You know, I think the feeling probably as
the money hasn't been worth it out that laid. The
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enjoyment probably has been a bit diminished or at the
very least compressed. Not been enough of the to and
fro has there in the in the matches, the stories,
the narratives, especially Perth and Melbourne, Brisbane.
Speaker 5 (35:26):
You know, England had their.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
Life slowly squeezed out of them and then an adelaide
I think more like a proper test almost but about
four point forty to get was just just too many,
wasn't it really? To chase down? So and it only
highlights the inadequate preparation which has been spoken about and
get mentioned as well a few hunches on selections and
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so you know we've missed that undulating Test match where
one side appears to be on top and then the
other sort of recovers to a position of parity. So yeah,
it's been an interesting series.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
The interesting thing is, of course it's had a lot
of interest in terms of fan appeal television watching, but
we've also had the doom sayers, those you look at
and say, oh, that's the end of Test cricket after
the two day event in Melbourne. I mean that's a
bit over the top, isn't it. I mean, it won't
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be the death of Test cricket, of.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
Cocause it's not it's not a renunciation or death of
Test cricket at all. In the fullness of time, tests, Yes,
they're becoming a little bit shorter. I think everyone would
acknowledge that, whether it's three and three quarter days or
three and a half or four days in length, that's
just the changing nature of the game. I'm afraid things
(36:51):
have happened more quickly. I mean I commentated on a
three or four Test last season between England and India
and every Test went to five days. Now one of
them was a draw. They couldn't even find a result
in five days. So it's just really sing and pointing
out that this particular series is a slightly diluted and
(37:12):
cheaper version. I mean, many many players and teams have
had to confront testing conditions before, haven't they, And you know,
and they've had a few failures.
Speaker 5 (37:23):
But even here, I mean we've seen.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
What Route has had two hundreds now in Australia, Travis
Head has had what three hundreds in the series. You've
had five wickets to Bowland and tongue and you know,
I think, I mean they still count, don't they.
Speaker 5 (37:42):
I Mean what was really.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
Needed, of course, was a two all score line at
the start of the Sydney Test. That's what that's what
really it missed the whole thing, wasn't it. And you know,
I think since the World Test the WTC has started,
(38:05):
there have been an increasing frequency of two day tests,
and that's that's a mild concern. I think, why do
you reckon that's happening?
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Words, Well, I think it gets back to the style
of play for a start offf you know, there's been
a lot of talk about pitches and we're going to
get into that and in next week's edition looking at
pitchers and development. But you know, the mcg came in
for the wet tram ticket, didn't it. Jeff Crowe gave
(38:35):
him an unsatisfactory result pitch, But what about the responsibility
of the players to bat properly on those pitchers? Don't
You don't charge one of the best bowlers in the
world the first ball you face, do you, as Harry
Brook has done. We look at this guy Bethel who's
seen as the great savior for England, Well I'm still
(38:57):
to be convinced about him. If I wanted somebody to
bet for my life, it'll be Joe Root and Travis
Head at the moment. It certainly wouldn't be Harry Brook
or Jacob Bethel or some of these other players. I mean,
players have got to take responsibility for the game as well.
You know, it's cost Australian cricket. What do they reckon
somewhere between twenty and thirty million in terms of income,
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refund of tickets, food having to be sent out to
various places and well done on them, you know, to
take them to night shelters and the needy et cetera,
et cetera. But hell, there's a lot of cost involved
in those short tests and it's the players responsibility, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
Well, well, that's certainly part of it, isn't it. I
think I would say that the pictures, certainly in Australia
in particular Perth Melbourne have you know, the bowlers are
getting more help than they really need from home surfaces
(39:59):
and that's the reason why, well they got to win
games at home for World Test Championship points. That's the
first thing I would say. And the second thing that
I'd say that is that today's batsmen their default response
to conditions where it gets tricky, they attack hard.
Speaker 5 (40:22):
That's what they do.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
If they get on a difficult pitch, they feel in
order to get runs they are going to have to
play hyper aggressively, lots of shop making because they're going
to get a ball that comes along pretty soon that
has their name on it.
Speaker 5 (40:40):
And I'm not.
Speaker 4 (40:42):
Convinced that if you can play forward well and if
you can let the ball go well, that you can't survive.
So do you need to play that hyper aggressive style?
And that's the issue to me, And that's come from
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the prevalence of twenty twenty cricket nature of the game.
You know, players looking to attack and they get a
wider base, a lower base, a powerful base, or they charge.
You didn't see forward defense from people like Greg Chappel
or Ian Redpass or Ruffle Dravid or Jacques Pallace. You
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could not see the stumps and we don't see that
kind of stolid forward defense that was seen in those times.
Speaker 5 (41:37):
Now.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
You know, I'm speaking as an older player there, and
we we would try and do things differently than the
current players. We would try and you know, block our
way out of it and try and see our way
through the difficult periods. And we didn't score as fast,
so we may not have scored more runs than the
(41:59):
current lot are, but we would get the game through
to three and a half to four days because of
the way we played, So we used the time because
time was available. That's not part of the way they
look at it now. It seems to me.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
No, they're talking about the entertainment factor and expressing themselves
and playing the game the way they want to play.
But the entertainment factor can also be seen in other
forms as well. And you're right about the fight for
survival and they're pushing the game through to the end
of a test match. I mean I remember, yeah, you
remember it too, that that test match in Wellington where
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we beat England. You know, last ball, last day, last
over and one run between the two sides. Basically, I
mean that was Test cricket the way you want to
see it, wasn't it.
Speaker 4 (42:48):
Well you couldn't get it any closer than that, could you.
Speaker 5 (42:52):
No, you're right. Entertainment, Oh yes, of course there is
that key. And it does draw you in.
Speaker 4 (42:58):
It's like a good game of chess, isn't it played
on a green field? But you know, you keep it
draws you into the game and it holds you there
and because it is closed. That's what I'm talking about
when I say the undulating nature of the game sucks
you in to it as well, and so you're engaged
as I mean, obviously you're generally want one side to
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win over the other and you want them to try
and win, but you're engaged in the contest.
Speaker 5 (43:27):
And that's what Test cricket can do.
Speaker 4 (43:30):
I mean not every time, but you know that's what
it can and so yeah, you don't that's the value
of time, isn't that we don't give that to the
shorter formats And it's the whole point of it, and
the players now have difficulty with using time in the
(43:52):
best way possible.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Well, we're going to chance to review the four ashes
after that Test match and anything that occurs in the
remaining stages. I want to talk pictures next week. I think, well,
we'll get a groundsman, a curator or somebody who deals
with pitchers and have a bit of a chat about purchase,
because I know it's something close to your heart, Jeremy.
(44:16):
I've seen you do some elongated pitch analysis and we
might just expose you a little bit on that. Perhaps
you think we should.
Speaker 5 (44:27):
I could be exposed very quickly. I would say, they
give us.
Speaker 4 (44:33):
They give us two minutes nowadays, because people apparently can't
listen or think, particularly to me for longer than two minutes.
So and they bring someone else, Old Garth Galloway comes in,
and Old Garth who's sometimes on our pod, he comes
in and chats as well. But there's no point in
looking at it too much nowadays, if we've only got
(44:53):
two minutes. Frankly, it plays such a part in the game,
doesn't It's a huge part in the game.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Yeah, well, we'll give you more than two minutes next
week to talk about it. We'll get a we'll get
an expert as well, just to give you a bit
of information.
Speaker 5 (45:05):
That's good, just to keep us on the straight in
arrow once. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
Indeed, thanks very much, Jerry. Good to talk to you again.
And you better brush up on your greenery stuff for
next week.
Speaker 4 (45:19):
On the greenery, Yes, I will. Yeah, I see what
you meant. I thought you'd eat more vegetables, but I know.
Speaker 5 (45:26):
That's no I know what you mean.
Speaker 4 (45:28):
Now you mean the pitch. Okay, I'll do that. Good Bye, cheers,
take care the.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
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What hello and the Happy New Year to you and
your family and all our listeners. You're probably a bit
late once, but look I'm I'm in post post recovery
at the stage, aren't you?
Speaker 5 (01:35):
Or have you well through it?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
By now, oh, look, I've been running half marathons.
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You mean you're putting the you're putting the rubbish outs,
are you?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
No, I'm chasing the grandchildren.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Okay, yeah, look I'm chasing them around.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, I'm going to start with a real bit of trivia.
You know, I don't know if you've sat there and
watched the coverage from the Test match in Sydney, but
you know, I mean, I've got to turn the sound down.
I cannot live with some of the crap they talk.
But here we go. Has there ever this is for
the this is for the listeners. Has there ever been
a taller eight nine to ten batting trio than Green,
(02:17):
Webster and Stark. Now, I don't know whether you've got
the answer that. I mean, Ambrose and Walsh might find something.
Speaker 6 (02:24):
Yes, it was.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Tall to go with them, and if they brought Garnerman
too as well, yeah that would be useful.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
But they were playing a different era of those ones.
But anyway, if you if you can think of one
on the front foot twenty to gmail dot com. But
I mean Green, Webster and Start and Stark is the
shortest of them.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Yeah, yeah, it is that leads you into things like
the balled eleven and the and the short eleven.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
Do you know what I mean? When a rainy day
a beard of eleven.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
First choice, wouldn't he?
Speaker 5 (03:03):
He might be there? Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Well we'll start off bit of trivia, but never mind,
let's go to the World T Twitty squad just announced
and well predictable, experienced players with a lot of Ta
twitty skills sent as the captain Finnellen Bracewall. That's Michael Bracewall,
Mark Chapman, Devin Conway, Jacob Duffy, Lockey Ferguson, Matt Henry,
(03:31):
Daryl Mitchell, Adam mil James, Nisham, Glenn Phillips, Russian ravender At,
Tim saiffertt Ish Sodi and Kyle Jameson is a pace
bowling reserve and experience no surprises as such, Jerry Jacob
Duffy a certainty on his form over the last twelve months.
You can't leave him out of any side, can you.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
No, he deserves his spots through performance, doesn't he. And
that's where you want to where you want to have it.
The other fast bowlers are interesting slightly to me.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
You've got.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Ferguson and Milne both both have been susceptible to fitness worries,
haven't they. Ferguson currently with a calf issue, He's not
the only one with some problems in that sort of sense.
Van Allen's got a hamstring and Chapman's got an ankle,
and I think Satner recently has had an aductor. Hasn't
(04:27):
he has a he'said they've all had little problems and
whether I guess they're saying their injuries will be all
right by the time the games come around, starting.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
For New Zealand on about the eighth of February, So.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Yeah, and I think there are some There are some positions,
you might say the spinners, maybe Lenox and Addie airshock
a bit early for them, maybe, but they'll be pushing
perhaps for the next next one. When you say experience,
I hope it's not tired experience for some of these
(05:07):
plate players. Certainly with the prevalence of T twenty at
the moment, it seems to me that it's a chance
to change your life if you play well.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
Batting.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Should Robinson be there as a place he'd be the
next one for me? And then is there a chance
for Jacobs, who's going into this preliminary number of games
in the middle order. If he can play well enough,
will he put some pressure on some of those players in.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
Terms of the batting.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
In terms of the all rounders, Folks is not there,
not quite an all rounder yet, perhaps regarded more as
a bowling all rounder. And clarks And as the obvious
other one, Josh Clarkson is going, so they will have
a chance in this preliminary you know, series of matches
(06:04):
as well. And also, hey, as the keeper presumably I'm
thinking Siphered will be the keeper of the match.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
The list of players you just gave me.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Yes, he is the man to do that job. I
have one reservation, and that is and I suppose it's
feeling a bit of sympathy for a player who's performed
pretty well. Robinson, who's been batting high in the order,
has the second highest run scorer in the past twelve
months for New Zealand and t twenties four hundred and
two runs averages forty four strike right of one hundred
(06:38):
and forty four, scored one hundred against Australia. And he's
been replaced by Allen who to me is yeah, potential
match winner, but so too is Robinson, but I'm not
sure that. I'm not sure that Allen is a set
in Stone player. He's no Kin Williamson. And if he's
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going to the World T twenty, why isn't he Why
aren't some of these other players who are not going
for the T twenty matches going to that warm up series.
It's India. We've got our top players, but some of
them don't want to go. Conway has dipped out of
his South African contract early so that he can go
(07:23):
to play in the T twenty warm up series, but
some of these other guys have stuck with their contracts. Well,
if it's that important to play for New Zealand and
they're not New Zealand contracted players, they should be there,
or don't prick them. That's my way of thinking.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Yeah, well, it's a reasonable point of view as well,
and you'd have to address that to Rob Walter, wouldn't
you wands to find out how the powers that be
feel on those issues, because you're highlighting someone like Conway
who's decided to regard it as important enough to get
(07:58):
out of his you know, get out of his the
money grab if you like, and come and play in
an area that they're going to be playing for the
World Cup, So I'd argue with what you're bringing up there.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Really the other issue too, is the pace bowling one
that you pointed out. Yeah, Ferguson and Milne in particular
are injury prone, and I've got Kyle Jamison as a
pace bowling reserve. Well, just put him in. If you've
got any worries about those guys, put Jamison in there.
It seems as though Jamison has to really fight to
(08:34):
get a game these days. He does a lot of practice,
and he does a lot of warm ups, and he
meets all the loading requirements. He's been bowling in T
twenty cricket here in New Zealand. Just put him in
the side or are they not confident that he's capable
of doing the job. I've seen him by a couple
of times and he was getting the ball to swing
into that big in ducker. He's got to the right handers.
(08:55):
To me, is the sort of player that we need
to use that they seem so tentative about him. I
can understand being concerned about players and injuries and stuff,
but hey, get out and play. Players are going to
get injury, aren't they just pay them until they do
get injured.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Well, I mean Ferguson's also got paternity issues, hasn't there.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
I don't know whether he's going to be.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Going away and any of those or not, whether he
gets a quick trip back.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
I'm not sure, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
I mean you understand, you understand that caring for family
and and impending birth of child. But you know, before
before a game, Matt Henry is also in the same situation.
You know, we haven't got Henry and Ferguson, but Devin
Conroy could probably open the bowling at a pinch if
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if we want to to use them. I mean, I know,
I mean it's a it's a little bit flippant, but
that is that is one of the issues, isn't it.
And you know, fair enough, you've got to care for
families and that's important. These guys are on the road
a fair at a time. But it does, you know,
make it difficult and in some game where you might
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need a bit a pace. What happens if in those circumstances,
you know, there is an issue to to Milne, who's
the pace bowl or Duffy, you know, what do they do?
Speaker 6 (10:19):
Then?
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Yep, they've got that, that whole group. I mean, Duffy's
been pretty good, hasn't he. He's been able to buy
decent long spells, and he's shown his durability I think
a bit more than maybe the other ones or Henry.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
Henry generally is pretty fit to, isn't he.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
But I think there's more more the more suspect of
Ferguson and Milne. They've they've had injury problems in the past.
Just I guess just a shame that o'raw and see
Ers aren't aren't available as well. But but we're going
to have to live with that. They've selected this so
I'm not sure who'll open. Is it going to be ciphered?
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You would think would be one? And who's going to
who's going to go with him? And that's where Robinson
would obviously be a possibility if finale and isn't isn't
up to it and isn't fit I don't know, because
I think he's been dropped from his big best side
at the moment.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
So there are in issues just a little bit at
the top there.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
And you know that's very important to start of the innings,
isn't it. But they've gone for experience, they've gone for Ferguson,
they've gone from Milne for those reasons, I guess, and
the same in terms of finale. Who's been to those
the World Cup before. So look, let's hope they play well.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
They've got to.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
There are four groups of five, so there are twenty
teams in this tournament and New Zealand obviously will in
a group of five. They'll play four games. They play
here we go Afghanistan first, the same as it was
in the West Indies, but asking yeah, absolutely and two
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only two go through and you'll see that New Zealand
have got Afga Unastane first at Chennai on the eighth
of February. Not a bad time for watching actually, folks,
six thirty pm New Zealand time, I think at UAE.
Then they play on the tenth two days later at
Chennai again at ten thirty pm our time.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
And then another.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Tough one South Africa, who are playing very well, aren't
they generally in most formats at the moment. They'll be tough.
And that's the fifteenth of February. It's an am and Abad,
that's the Nirandramodi Stadium.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
They're the big one.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
And then back to Chennai against Canada. So those are
the four games New Zealand play and then the.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
Top two go through. So you would.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Think Afghanistan, South Africa, New Zealand would be ahead of
UAE and Canada.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Brian Waddell Jeremy Cooney on the front foot.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Confidence was high and the self belief was evident as
the England team embarked on. What they did was a
real chance to regain the Ashes in Australia against what
some regarded at the time as the weakest Australian side
in ten years. Well it wasn't, despite chances, three down
after three and many disappointed fans were left wondering what
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went wrong? Was it poor preparation, style of play unsuited
the Test cricket. It ended with a consolation two day Test,
weren't at the mcg and irrespective of the outcome of
the final Test, the greatest cricket contest has seen, the
status quo retained. One man who knows what's needed to
win the Ashes in Australia is former skipper Mike Gaffing,
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who led the side of eighty six. I spoke to
him from Sydney and the Tanana for him to come
on the front foot and join us and get how
disappointing was it to witness the first three Tests, the
ashes gone with two to play and now only playing
for a consolation result.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (14:07):
Absolutely.
Speaker 7 (14:08):
I mean the real sad thing is I remember I
was talking about bas ball and this and that, but
actually we forgot to do the basics well enough. And
I think if you look in the first Test match,
certainly at Perth at lunchtime on the second day we
were one hundred for one and all we had to
do was really bad for the rest of the day
sensibly and we would have been in the pound seats
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and probably would have won the Test match. We go
then to Brisbane and you know we dropped five catches
and you can't drop that amount of catches in a
Test match and expect to win it. And then again
at Adelaide, you know there were times when we were
in the match and we just didn't make the right
decisions at the right time. We didn't play you know,
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good enough cricket. We were disciplined enough, and I have
to say it all really comes back down to, you
know what sort of preparation. And I suppose one other
thing that I think that was very silly for us
to do. That was really put our sort of all
eggs in one ask it saying we're going to use
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Josh for Archer and Woody and Wood to actually really
give these guys a bit of a hurry up. And
with Wood having not played for eight months, it just
to me seems absolute folly to try and expect a
fast bowler to actually come in and actually bowl fast
for a long period of time and be a part
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of a strategy that is over five Test match. It's
not just one or two really, And so I think,
you know, we probably got it wrong and the guys
were bowling wrong lents, and yeah, it was just a
bit of a muddle, and some of the thinking was
I think flawed, and I think again Brendan's held his
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hands up and said he might well.
Speaker 6 (15:56):
Have got it wrong.
Speaker 8 (15:58):
Yeah it's all really want to say that, but you've
also got to do, as you say, the preparation, and
I just wonder whether that prep was there. You've still
got to have quality over quantity, and I'm not sure
that playing a white ball series here for some of
those players we seemed more interested in going to the
golf course was the sort of preparation they needed for
a Test match series.
Speaker 7 (16:18):
And on well, I mean that that had we had
we been winning matches, I mean, it wouldn't have been
a problem. The sort of scenario of well England didn't
have the time to play a warm up match doesn't
sort of seem to stack up because when you've got
nine days in between the first and second Test match
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and then eight days between the second and the third,
and you know this this is for you know that
the first one would have been one you would have
had a look at everybody and you're playing four day
and match you play it. Well, you still got four
days for the first Test match and that to me
would have been would have been very useful because then
you've got eight days in between the next one, which
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meant that the guys that did their did their bit
would have would have not played and possibly the guys
might play in other matches would get a knock too.
But you know, two matches is there's really not enough anyway,
I don't think. I mean, I think you know, when
you talk about bowlers, bowling in the nets is great,
but match fitness is another thing. When when your heart
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rates is a one twenty Bowl that your mates in
the net. Yes, you're trying hard and whatever, but it's
not quite the same as the pressure that people are
under in the Lashes Test match series out in the middle,
lots of people shouting and cheering and whatever, and the
old heart rate goes up a bit without without a
shadow of doubt, and of course that that that's something
that you know you need to be fit for.
Speaker 8 (17:47):
Yeah, I guess you can applauditude the aggressive style of four, five,
six and over if you can score at that rate approach.
But I just wonder whether at times some of the
key players were just a little rickless and not basically
attuned to propertismates.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
Well, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 7 (18:12):
I suppose that the problem is is when you do
give people the freedom to express themselves, as Brendan has done,
I suspect that the players themselves, I would like to
have thought, would have some sort of pride in their
performance they keep getting out the same way. Certainly, my
own personal thought would be that I would be looking
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to eradicate doing it time and time again, making the
wrong decisions, making the wrong calls, etc. So again, it's
about you know, when you play cricket, you try and
learn from mistakes quickly, and the best players learn from
their mistakes quickly, and you just can't keep doing the
same thing. And so I think this sort of scenario
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of giving the players' ability to express themselves hasn't been
returned in making some smart decisions at times, and smart
decisions needed to be made, and I think that's going
to be the responsibility and accountability of the players themselves.
Speaker 6 (19:15):
So I think they've got to take a huge.
Speaker 7 (19:18):
Amount of the the flack, if you like, because they
keep doing the same things wrong, and everybody who's watching
the game love the game and they can actually see
that too, and they get a bit frustrated. So I
just wonder why the players aren't getting frustrated and trying
to change things. Yes, play with play with, play with
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freedom when you can, but sometimes you've got to dig
in and sometimes you've got to use your head. And
we saw a bit test match at Sydney where Brooks
got in and Roots playing really well and all of
a sudden brook went mad for sort of twenty minutes
trying to hook everything out with four men back on
the boundary, and he very fortunately.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
Got away with it all.
Speaker 7 (19:56):
Is that the way he's going to play. Is that
good for the team? I don't know.
Speaker 6 (20:03):
I can only only ask and sort of ask the
question of.
Speaker 7 (20:08):
Does he does he you know, does he understand his responsibility?
And then he might say, well, that's the way I
feel comfortable playing. And if that's the case, where people
are going to take account of that and see what happens.
But as a captain, if you keep doing what he's
doing and getting out in important moments, it doesn't bode
well for a team, I don't think, because he has
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to be accountable, he has to take responsibilities exactly as
Ben Stokes has tried to do. He tried to show
the guys what they needed to do. He bowled really
well and he and he sort of just went out
and did the only thing he could do, which was
show the guys how he thought that sometimes we should
be playing and that was that was that was quite
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sort of what I would say at the four four front,
and people noticed that and they appreciated that. In the
amount of times when a four defensive was played by
one or two people from the crowd, I think sort
of should have actually got through to the players that
actually the crowd are pretty fed up with what they're doing,
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and they come a long way to watch some good
cricket and spend a lot of money and you know,
at the end of the day they they've been sort
of short changed.
Speaker 8 (21:23):
Yeah, most definitely. I know you can't live in the
past or go back to past years. But when you
were in Australia in eighty six you had two spin
bowlers and I think one of them was your leading wikitaker,
John Inenbury might have been the leading wicke taker in
that series. Spin seems to be almost non existent of Australia.
Are not going to pick lion? Why would England want
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to pick a spin or have they got a spinner
that could do the job that was done so fively
for you in eighty six.
Speaker 7 (21:53):
Well, you know that's a problem from our county game.
Speaker 6 (21:56):
And I suppose again.
Speaker 7 (21:58):
It's we've to a degree pressed the self destruct button
in the UK with regards what pictues we play on,
what time of the year we play, et cetera, et cetera.
Having said all that, John Embery and Philip Edmonds always
played in every match we played at Middlesex, whether it
was April, May or September, and obviously they played through
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through the summer, but there's no real summer type of
matches going on are enough for a spinner to actually
learn his trade. And when it does turn, the pitches
get reported, which is ridiculous because when it seems around
and you've got a four day match and a four
day pitch in April, you know it is going to
seem around and people have got a battle of bit.
Speaker 6 (22:40):
But when the sort of.
Speaker 7 (22:42):
The stuff comes from up top, up high, from whoever
it might be, that be Rob Key or whatever saying
we want players to play with freedom, and that it
gives an awful lot of leeway to a lot of
young players who need to learn a bit of discipline
about their game. And I think, you know, it's sort
of creeping in here into Australia as well, because I've
never seen such a lack of a lack of openers
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who are pushing for Test places, and the same in
the UK. And you know, again certainly from the spinner's
point of view, because the guys don't play a lot
of cricket in my view anyway, they don't bowl enough
overs that that includes the seams.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
They don't bowl enough to get bowling fit. And the
same with the spinners.
Speaker 7 (23:23):
So we're playing on wickets that aren't aren't conducive to spin.
We're playing on wickets that making it very hard for
opening batters to have to battle through every time. There's
never really a flat pitch or not a pitch they
can build the beginnings on.
Speaker 6 (23:37):
It's hard and.
Speaker 7 (23:38):
You've got to find a way, and sadly I don't
think sometimes you know, when they look at the money
being earned in ipl trying to battle away in a
four day matchments snipping all over the place is not
the sort of first thing that comes to the to
the forefront of the mind.
Speaker 8 (23:56):
There's a lot made of the Melbourne pitch and I
suppose last and listen in two days, no surprise, a
minor merit point to my mind, it's a sort of
whit trim to get punishment for.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
For the MCG.
Speaker 8 (24:10):
Was it as bad as it is made out to
be or was there a lack of good technique and
approach that didn't combat difficult conditions?
Speaker 7 (24:20):
Well again that that that really comes down to it. Yes,
it did do, did do a lot. And you know
when I sort of said, well, you never quite know
what you're going to get at the MCG anyway, it's
always been a bit unpredictable.
Speaker 6 (24:35):
The pitch itself.
Speaker 7 (24:38):
Does tend to seem a bit early doors and then
at the end it goes with up and down and
actually turns a bit. I mean, you know, all who's
got lots of five is at mcg. They deliberately left
three centimeters on the pitch at Melbourne from the one
that was in Perth apparently, so you were going to
have to expect it to probably do a bit. And yes,
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the old ball was was quite moved quite a lot.
But again you know some of the shots that were
played to sort of what i'd say normally good balls
just outside the off stump that you might leave.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
We didn't and they didn't. And again you had a
Test match that finished in.
Speaker 7 (25:20):
Two days which was just quite incredible, and you have
to ask whether the authorities at the Cricket Australia had
identified two pitches that were going to be result pitches
for their seemers, which was obviously Berth and Melbourne. And
was that the order that came from there? I don't know,
but it seemed very strange having had a two day
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Test match to actually possibly give the opportunity for it
to happen again, it's not particularly good for cricket. I
never thought i'd see a two day Test match, let
alone two in three Test matches. I mean it was
just again quite incredible and you know, to be fair,
as I said, England have had a chance in certainly
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two out of the three matches in Adelaide as well.
I mean, we were playing well and all of a
sud you know Smith is it start for four fours
and then tries to do a fifth for no reason
whatsoever and gets out when they were getting pretty closer
down to double figures. And you know, Brooke did it
at the Oval against India when you know there was
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seventy to win with him and Joe in we didn't
have Wokesie and you know, instead of just knocking it
around and because they were in total control as well
Smith by the way he was playing, and you just
don't do that, you know, you you look at the
situation and you make the right decision. So you know,
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we all make mistakes. I've made many in my life,
as we all have, but you try not to keep
doing it. And if you see other members of the
team doing it and doing it at the wrong time,
surely you should be learning from that and learning from
other people's mistakes, especially when it comes down to game situations.
Speaker 6 (27:04):
Because that's what it's about.
Speaker 7 (27:05):
So is it the fact they don't play many games
in there, or they don't plan these sort of situations.
Therefore you know they're not They don't understand what what
what what the what the pluses and minuses are of
certain things at certain times.
Speaker 6 (27:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (27:20):
It just seems strange because you know, I know it's changed,
and I know there's a lot more shots out they were.
I sure Brook back in New Zealand as you did.
I mean, there wasn't any of this real sort of
gung ho charging down it bowlers back over their heads,
but the back came up straight. It came down straight.
You might play the odd odd little shuffle down the wicket,
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but it never it was never like the frenetic stuff
that we see at this moment in time. And I
just wonder why that's happened. But as I say, people
have got to learn from from what you do in
a team and and identify the sort of situations of
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the match and and maybe make better decisions.
Speaker 8 (28:05):
Pleads to the sort of final question about the future
of either players or coaches or managers of Indian cricket.
Does Sir Brendan McCallum survive, should he survive as the coach?
Speaker 7 (28:20):
Well, look I think he's he's held his hands out
and say yes, he's probably he's probably got it wrong,
as I say, what what?
Speaker 6 (28:27):
What worries me, honestly, Ryle is.
Speaker 7 (28:31):
These people who actually are looking after our bowlers fitness
wires and stuff like that. The fact that you know,
you've got a guy who's who's been out for eight
months and hasn't played any any any real tough cricket
or anything, and you expect him to go into a
Test match really fired up as a Test match and
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really hasn't been put under an awful lot of pressure
when he's been bowling apart from in the next to whatever,
How do these guys say that these people are fit?
Speaker 6 (29:03):
You know?
Speaker 7 (29:03):
And Archers Archer did really well, but in the end
he's gone back with a side screen acting and another one,
you know, coming back with a hamstring. And yet someone
like Mitchell Stark and you know Nissa and I know
they bowl slightly slower, but they're still bowling. Stark is
bowling quick, and I appreciate bowling is hard, and the
fact is you've got to do some hard work to
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get your body in the right right.
Speaker 6 (29:26):
Sort of space.
Speaker 7 (29:28):
And you know, and I take my hat off to
the bowlers because it's bloody hard work. So you know,
the question for me is they put a strategy together
around the fast bowl of one of which was recovering
and you know, to me that sort of sent the
wrong message because having played out here most of the
things and you then watched the Australians bowl even Stark
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and what sort of lengths they bowled and and all
that sort of stuff, and we had got this in
our mind that we were going to bowl shorten this
and that and the other, and we were going to it.
Just it just to me just seeing understanding the game,
and obviously one the preparation was needed to we bowled
the wrong lengths and lines, especially when you're playing at
Perth where it bounce is quite high, and you know
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generally the wickets over here have a little bit more
bounce in them. So there are just lots of little things.
But the sports scientists seem to don't seem to understand
what it takes to actually bowl you've got to bowl,
especially the fast bowlers and especially the spinners. But we
seem to wrap people up and you stop people playing
because they need to rest, you know. And I'll go
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back to the old sand that I don't believe that
the less you play, the better you get at it,
and the less you play, the stronger you get to
bowl your overs. And if they have these things called
red spots where they say, oh, you could get injured,
so does that mean once you see a red spot,
that's the level you're at and you won't get past it.
Because if you stop at the red spot all the time,
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you're never going to go through and get any fitter.
And there's training fit and there's match fit. As we
all know in football as well, you can train as
hard as you like, but actually match fitness is a
totally different animal. And again I think that's the same
in cricket. And the last two people have stayed really
fit for a long period of time, although they certainly
Broady had a serious injury, but they managed to bowl
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their overs and they very rarely sort of didn't play
a match. But Woody's been going now for ten ten
years and probably played about thirty eight test matches and
you've just got to wonder, you know why Jimmy, I
know he doesn't bowl as fast as Joffer or Atkinson
Broady probably not, but they bowled their overs, lots of overs,
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and that was because they played more like consider the
right way to actually get their bodies used to bowling,
you know, alonger spells and actually have a bit more
sort of durability about them because their bodies are stronger.
So I'd just like to understand what these sports scientists
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and why they're not getting the creditism too, because it
really does make a huge impact on when you're touring
Australia that you need people to stay fit for five
for five five matches and Stark has proven that nessa
boland And so you know you're going to ask what
are they doing differently to ours?
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Yes, well, I guess the England squad are going to
be able to get time to recover and prepare for
New Zealand arriving in June. I assume you're you're still
with your tour groups in Australia. How are they enjoying
things through the issues bearing the mind the issues are
not going back with you?
Speaker 7 (32:45):
Well, no, they're not there's there's quite a bit in
this Test match. People said it's a dead Test match,
but there's a lot of people on the Australian team
that are playing for matches for their places. There's a
lot of people retiring, there's a lot of people thinking
of retiring, and so you know there are some important
issues for individuals on both sides to prove they can play,
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to prove that they're learning. I think Crawle is probably
one of those that's taking them sixty Test matches. He's
trying to back like an opening batsman now and it
was quite noticeable from the people I spoke to on
tours and not how they've noticed how differently he's played,
but it's taken them sixty Test matches almost. You know,
everybody's trying to be a little bit less flamboyant, I
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think is the word you've got to say, apart from broxy.
But no, it is notice they have seemed to have
changed their ways a bit, but you have to over here,
the bounce and the pitch is different and far too
me people going hard at the ball. So as I say,
there's a lot on this Test match and if England
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can win it, we've lost three too. We've lost the ashes,
but when you think the teams that are out there
in this final Test match, Australia and England have both
lost their top three bowlers.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Thank you very much. Get to have you with uson
look forward to the chance of talking to you again sometime.
Interesting stuff. Jerry mike Getting, of course as a very
deep thinker on the game and has some strong opinions
on many aspects. I was interested he seemed to deflect
a little bit on the Brendan McCullum role and should
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he be replaced. He saw bigger issues away from the
coaching one for the England side.
Speaker 8 (34:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (34:38):
I don't think he really tried to dodge it.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
I just felt he just moved away quite quickly from
your question.
Speaker 5 (34:47):
But he makes some good points, doesn't he.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
I think there's a lot of frustration about what's occurred.
Highly anticipated series, but a lot of the English actually
believed they had a really good chance of reversing their
regular thrashings that they received down in Australia two two
day tests. You know, I think the feeling probably as
the money hasn't been worth it out that laid. The
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enjoyment probably has been a bit diminished or at the
very least compressed. Not been enough of the to and
fro has there in the in the matches, the stories,
the narratives, especially Perth and Melbourne, Brisbane.
Speaker 5 (35:26):
You know, England had their.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
Life slowly squeezed out of them and then an adelaide
I think more like a proper test almost but about
four point forty to get was just just too many,
wasn't it really? To chase down? So and it only
highlights the inadequate preparation which has been spoken about and
get mentioned as well a few hunches on selections and
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so you know we've missed that undulating Test match where
one side appears to be on top and then the
other sort of recovers to a position of parity. So yeah,
it's been an interesting series.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
The interesting thing is, of course it's had a lot
of interest in terms of fan appeal television watching, but
we've also had the doom sayers, those you look at
and say, oh, that's the end of Test cricket after
the two day event in Melbourne. I mean that's a
bit over the top, isn't it. I mean, it won't
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be the death of Test cricket, of.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
Cocause it's not it's not a renunciation or death of
Test cricket at all. In the fullness of time, tests, Yes,
they're becoming a little bit shorter. I think everyone would
acknowledge that, whether it's three and three quarter days or
three and a half or four days in length, that's
just the changing nature of the game. I'm afraid things
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have happened more quickly. I mean I commentated on a
three or four Test last season between England and India
and every Test went to five days. Now one of
them was a draw. They couldn't even find a result
in five days. So it's just really sing and pointing
out that this particular series is a slightly diluted and
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cheaper version. I mean, many many players and teams have
had to confront testing conditions before, haven't they, And you know,
and they've had a few failures.
Speaker 5 (37:23):
But even here, I mean we've seen.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
What Route has had two hundreds now in Australia, Travis
Head has had what three hundreds in the series. You've
had five wickets to Bowland and tongue and you know,
I think, I mean they still count, don't they.
Speaker 5 (37:42):
I Mean what was really.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
Needed, of course, was a two all score line at
the start of the Sydney Test. That's what that's what
really it missed the whole thing, wasn't it. And you know,
I think since the World Test the WTC has started,
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there have been an increasing frequency of two day tests,
and that's that's a mild concern. I think, why do
you reckon that's happening?
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Words, Well, I think it gets back to the style
of play for a start offf you know, there's been
a lot of talk about pitches and we're going to
get into that and in next week's edition looking at
pitchers and development. But you know, the mcg came in
for the wet tram ticket, didn't it. Jeff Crowe gave
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him an unsatisfactory result pitch, But what about the responsibility
of the players to bat properly on those pitchers? Don't
You don't charge one of the best bowlers in the
world the first ball you face, do you, as Harry
Brook has done. We look at this guy Bethel who's
seen as the great savior for England, Well I'm still
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to be convinced about him. If I wanted somebody to
bet for my life, it'll be Joe Root and Travis
Head at the moment. It certainly wouldn't be Harry Brook
or Jacob Bethel or some of these other players. I mean,
players have got to take responsibility for the game as well.
You know, it's cost Australian cricket. What do they reckon
somewhere between twenty and thirty million in terms of income,
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refund of tickets, food having to be sent out to
various places and well done on them, you know, to
take them to night shelters and the needy et cetera,
et cetera. But hell, there's a lot of cost involved
in those short tests and it's the players responsibility, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
Well, well, that's certainly part of it, isn't it. I
think I would say that the pictures, certainly in Australia
in particular Perth Melbourne have you know, the bowlers are
getting more help than they really need from home surfaces
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and that's the reason why, well they got to win
games at home for World Test Championship points. That's the
first thing I would say. And the second thing that
I'd say that is that today's batsmen their default response
to conditions where it gets tricky, they attack hard.
Speaker 5 (40:22):
That's what they do.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
If they get on a difficult pitch, they feel in
order to get runs they are going to have to
play hyper aggressively, lots of shop making because they're going
to get a ball that comes along pretty soon that
has their name on it.
Speaker 5 (40:40):
And I'm not.
Speaker 4 (40:42):
Convinced that if you can play forward well and if
you can let the ball go well, that you can't survive.
So do you need to play that hyper aggressive style?
And that's the issue to me, And that's come from
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the prevalence of twenty twenty cricket nature of the game.
You know, players looking to attack and they get a
wider base, a lower base, a powerful base, or they charge.
You didn't see forward defense from people like Greg Chappel
or Ian Redpass or Ruffle Dravid or Jacques Pallace. You
(41:25):
could not see the stumps and we don't see that
kind of stolid forward defense that was seen in those times.
Speaker 5 (41:37):
Now.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
You know, I'm speaking as an older player there, and
we we would try and do things differently than the
current players. We would try and you know, block our
way out of it and try and see our way
through the difficult periods. And we didn't score as fast,
so we may not have scored more runs than the
(41:59):
current lot are, but we would get the game through
to three and a half to four days because of
the way we played, So we used the time because
time was available. That's not part of the way they
look at it now. It seems to me.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
No, they're talking about the entertainment factor and expressing themselves
and playing the game the way they want to play.
But the entertainment factor can also be seen in other
forms as well. And you're right about the fight for
survival and they're pushing the game through to the end
of a test match. I mean I remember, yeah, you
remember it too, that that test match in Wellington where
(42:35):
we beat England. You know, last ball, last day, last
over and one run between the two sides. Basically, I
mean that was Test cricket the way you want to
see it, wasn't it.
Speaker 4 (42:48):
Well you couldn't get it any closer than that, could you.
Speaker 5 (42:52):
No, you're right. Entertainment, Oh yes, of course there is
that key. And it does draw you in.
Speaker 4 (42:58):
It's like a good game of chess, isn't it played
on a green field? But you know, you keep it
draws you into the game and it holds you there
and because it is closed. That's what I'm talking about
when I say the undulating nature of the game sucks
you in to it as well, and so you're engaged
as I mean, obviously you're generally want one side to
(43:21):
win over the other and you want them to try
and win, but you're engaged in the contest.
Speaker 5 (43:27):
And that's what Test cricket can do.
Speaker 4 (43:30):
I mean not every time, but you know that's what
it can and so yeah, you don't that's the value
of time, isn't that we don't give that to the
shorter formats And it's the whole point of it, and
the players now have difficulty with using time in the
(43:52):
best way possible.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Well, we're going to chance to review the four ashes
after that Test match and anything that occurs in the
remaining stages. I want to talk pictures next week. I think, well,
we'll get a groundsman, a curator or somebody who deals
with pitchers and have a bit of a chat about purchase,
because I know it's something close to your heart, Jeremy.
(44:16):
I've seen you do some elongated pitch analysis and we
might just expose you a little bit on that. Perhaps
you think we should.
Speaker 5 (44:27):
I could be exposed very quickly. I would say, they
give us.
Speaker 4 (44:33):
They give us two minutes nowadays, because people apparently can't
listen or think, particularly to me for longer than two minutes.
So and they bring someone else, Old Garth Galloway comes in,
and Old Garth who's sometimes on our pod, he comes
in and chats as well. But there's no point in
looking at it too much nowadays, if we've only got
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two minutes. Frankly, it plays such a part in the game,
doesn't It's a huge part in the game.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Yeah, well, we'll give you more than two minutes next
week to talk about it. We'll get a we'll get
an expert as well, just to give you a bit
of information.
Speaker 5 (45:05):
That's good, just to keep us on the straight in
arrow once. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
Indeed, thanks very much, Jerry. Good to talk to you again.
And you better brush up on your greenery stuff for
next week.
Speaker 4 (45:19):
On the greenery, Yes, I will. Yeah, I see what
you meant. I thought you'd eat more vegetables, but I know.
Speaker 5 (45:26):
That's no I know what you mean.
Speaker 4 (45:28):
Now you mean the pitch. Okay, I'll do that. Good Bye, cheers,
take care the.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
Summer.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
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