January 20, 2026 • 39 mins
Daryl Mitchell and Michael Bracewell join the podcast to celebrate the outstanding ODI series win in India, the first in 33 years.
Later, we wonder if England cricket coach Brendan McCullum will join Scott Robertson on the unwanted coaches list.
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Hello, We're back on the front foot with raisine, premium
quality paints and staying will blow me down. I didn't
see it coming. A serious win for the first time
in India. We've been going there for thirty three years.
And that's not the only special part for me. The
former performance of Darryl Mitchell. Wow, just let me speechless
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and sleepless. I've got to say to do it once
for spectacular, but to complete the series went at the
home of the Indoor Cricket Association was awesome. I've been
there and Daryl Mitchell enjoys it as well. Doesn't talk
much about his achievements. Patriarchic Huey loves blaming for New Zealand.
He says, Joy's just doing his role. Jerry and Odie
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I average of fifty eight. You know, there's only three
better than him, very at Coli of course, as an
outstanding player is ahead of him. There's a couple of
other guys. Ryan tender Scater, who you probably heard of,
plays for the Netherlands, plays county cricket in Essex. And
a guy called Millan de Kumar is the highest average.
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He plays for the United States and he averages sixty
seven point seventy three. I mean, we can't belittle that
tender Scaters sixty seven. But what Mitchell's achieved in fifty
nine games fifty eight point seven six utterly outstanding. It's
incomparable in terms of our one day play, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Oh he's a good player, wads, isn't he?
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Now? When I mean he's at the top of his
game there at the moment and eighty and a couple
of hundreds.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
That's an immense contribution. I mean, you can't do better
than that. Can you really?
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Look?
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Really confident? Settled, strong on the leg side and down
the ground. We know that, and then he pulls the
ball well, plays this. He's added the sweeps, hasn't he?
The rams and the little reverse sweeps against the spinners,
and that good solid defense he comes at the bowler.
I mean, I really I love watching him run with
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Phillips looks like Carl Lewis at one.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
End and Norman Reid at the other.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Doesn't but you're right, But about sixty eight the eyes, Yeah,
you're right, and he's now coming up thirty five.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
I think something like that. So that's what you want
from your experienced players, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
In his last twelve one day he's been over fifty
seven times and three of three more times sorry, ten times,
I suppose, because three of them have become hundreds and
one hundred and thirty one, not out as not just
getting to one one hundred and thirty seven, one hundred
and nineteen. And he's basically been the base that the
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team has built around, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Oh? Yeah, he has, I think, to be honest with you,
I think India helped him.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
They gave him a start, usually with the Steamers, and
I think every batsman likes getting in against seemas against
the white ball, where it's not moving quite so much
and you know you've got the place of the pitch.
Their spinners did really poorly didn't they over the series
When you look at it, cool Deep and Judasia to
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the extent, I think that in the last game gill
Gill used them very late. He didn't bring Judasia in
until the thirtieth over. And once you start there as
a spinner, obviously not going to bowl your compliment of
ten overs, are you? So I thought, you know, they
frightened the New Zealanders actually frightened the Indians playing spin
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against them. They had too many shots and they hadn't
done well in game two and you know Cool Deep
had gone for over eighty and his ten overs, so
they just pushed them to one side and they bowled
Ready that sort of all round in the test Ready
they bowled him about eight or nine overs in that
third game. So they bowled a heck of a lot
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of seam, which suits the New Zealanders. And even against
Phillips when he went and he was able to get
himself in as well. That's not to decry in any way.
The way that the New Zealanders played that was a
fantastic partnership. And Young got some runs as well. Good
to see him getting a few at last. So the
New Zealanders, I mean, look what a good win that
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was really with what was a depleted side. You'd have
to be honest about that. It was sort of a
side defined by those who weren't there, you know, the
players that weren't playing as much as it was those
who were. And from a really small population like New
Zealand and against a strong Indian side.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
It was heck of a well done. I thought new
bowlers in the side Wads.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Lennox, Clark and Ashock Park got the most wickets wads.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yeah, and I mean he's been around the domestic scene
for a while, so you know that was an important
milestone for herm and he's staying on for the early
part of the T twenties just to build up the
pace bowling ranks while they're playing T twenties two weeks
in a row and Daryl Mitchell is back on the
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front foot. We don't do that very often, Jerry. He's
been joined by Michael Bracewell and a chance to recall
the Mitchell partnership with Phillips, which for me was a
bit beyond belief and development and execution. I guess I
have to say I shouldn't have doubted this team's ability
to produce two players to set up a match winning partnership. Darryl,
(06:18):
what's your view on how things went?
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Then?
Speaker 5 (06:20):
Yeah, GP does what GP does. He comes out and
the energizer bunny and gets me, gets me running, which
is good fun and you're nice to put a score
on the board. I thought probably three hundred. It was
about pass so to get over that and beast with
his lovely little cameo at the end of some bomb squad.
It was really nice to see.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Interesting that comment about Phillips doing what he does best
because if he hit a jizer Bunny and he is.
But the contribution he made with the bat was a
little bit out of character, although you know, strike rate
was still pretty good when he got to the end.
But he played what, to my mind seemed at that
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stage of mature innings, the kind of it is you
want from a player coming in at that position in
the order, And that really told, didn't it against the
Indian attack because they were starting to get on top.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Yep, lots of singles and changing ends.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Phillips is quite a shorter man, plays a different style
of game than Mitchell.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Changing the ends is.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Quite important because you're getting you're getting to a point
where on a smallesh ground which indoor is, towards the
end of an innings, you can catch you can catch up,
you can play the big shots, you can play boundaries
and sixers and so on, which is what they did
and what Phillips did in particular there so he played,
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you know, I think an innings that balanced nicely against
Mitchell's kind of approach as well. So a very important
partnership of a match defining one.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Really.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Captain Michael Bracewell spent most of the time watching from
the outer as they added two hundred and nineteen from
one hundred and eighty eight boars. The rest of the
game was spent in the dugout was a serious carpentry
butts as tours kipper, he had every reason to enjoy
what Mitchell achieved.
Speaker 6 (08:16):
I think, yeah, it's been fantastic to watch Daryl go
about his business over here for a number of games
now and just sort of rolled out that formula that's
worked so well.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
From what part did previous success in the Test series
against India recently play in your preparation and build.
Speaker 6 (08:34):
Up, I think that's one thing that we spoke about
as a team a lot. I think coming over here,
we had some inexperienced players, three guys making their debuts
on this tour, So the shared experiences of the guys
that had been here before and understanding how to deal
with the crowd and the wickets and what to expect.
Obviously each venue slightly differently in the challenge that it
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throws at you, and we're able to lean on the
more experienced guys that have been here several times and
even part of that test tour that created history over here.
So I think the power of our group is that
people willing to share their experiences and you don't have
to experience them for yourself to be able to learn
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from them. So yeah, that's certainly something we spoke about
as a group coming into this series, and it put
us in really good stead.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Do you come, as Jadan Lennox and Christian Clark shared
you well, particularly in the final two games.
Speaker 6 (09:32):
Yeah, they reasonably experienced on the domestic level and to
come in and get thrust into some pretty tough situations.
Jaden's first over was in the power play, and it's
never easy as a spinnitter bowl in the power play,
particularly against the powerhouses that India possess with the bats,
so yeah, to jump in there, and he certainly hit
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the ground running and involved really well in that first game,
and then to continue his form here in the second
game was outstanding. And then yeah, Christian did a great
job for us the whole series and it's great to
see him contribute with both bat and ball and add
to the depth of our scene bowling all rounders.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
How frustrating was it for you to be in that
situation and not really be able to play a part
in the second half of the game.
Speaker 6 (10:25):
Yeah, it's obviously frustrating as an all rounder. You want
to be involved in the game for the four hundred overs,
so to get that cut short was disappointing. And obviously
having to hand the reins over to Darrell was pretty
comfortable with the experience and leadership that he shows on
the field, So I guess he did a really good
job of marshaling the troops when I left, And yeah,
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I guess it's always tricky when you've got to navigate
being a bowler down. So I thought we did a
really good job of navigating that situation, and Glenn Philip
stood up and Darrel stood up there at different stages
and did really well. So yeah, it's obviously a tough situation,
and one when you're having to sit and watch from
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the sidelines when you're used to being out there playing
is a little bit different. But you've always got faith
in the in the team that are out there to
be able to do the job and sort of band together,
and yeah, that's what we pride ourselves on as a team.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Going on from that, of course, it just highlights the
fact that your leadership group too is ready to step
in and players always step into individual situations, but the
leadership group then has to take over, doesn't it, Because
you know, you've take taken this tour and then Daryl
had to pick it up basically with a snap of
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the fingers to a certain extent, didn't he.
Speaker 6 (11:45):
In terms of the leadership, Yeah, the power as the
people in our team, and there's there's no one sort
of dictator out there telling everyone what to do. So
I don't think it was too different from me leading
out there, to be honest, when I'm more constantly bouncing
ideas of different guys in the group, and yeah, I
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think that shows that one person goes down, we're sort
of we've got many many people that are willing to
step up and take on that leadership role and thot
down at an outstanding job today.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
I know both of you are reluctant to talk about
your own efforts as such, but where does this sit
personally for you as an achievement. You know, we're celebrating
it here in New Zealand and really loving the fact
that you're able to win for the first time in
a series in one of the most difficult countries in
the world to play. Where does it sit with you?
Speaker 5 (12:38):
Yeah, look, it's it's definitely right up there. I think
obviously the Test Tour last year it's something it's very
special to achieve. But yeah, it's it's just cool to
be part of of a group of group of New
Zealanders who are just getting getting stuck in and achieving
history the things that we've never done as a group before,
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and it's very special. You know, we've come over here
as the black Cats many many times over the years
and we've learned a lot of lessons in the past
from from our past players and how they've gone about
it and sort of passed through and generation to generation.
And yeah, for us, I guess now out of E
one and od I series, especially with a younger group
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that we that we did have this series, it's very special.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
I know you've spoken about the various aspects of your game.
You're averaging fifty eight in one days. You're up right
at level basically there. Does that mean much to you?
To figures mean a lot to you because you know
they appear in front of you all the time and
people are always going to talk about them when you
are leading the way.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
Yeah, look, that's numbers. Numbers are a part of the
game and we'll always I guess the history of the
game that will be looked at. But for me personally,
it's yeah, I just want to win games and try
and help help our country. I love playing for New Zealand.
It means so much, and what the numbers will be
at the end of my career will be. But to
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be able to get stuck in the moments like we
got tonight as a group, and to come out on
the other side and achieve what we've achieved, that's what
drives you. That's what gets you up in the morning,
is to put on that silver fan and get stuck in.
So yeah, number they'll they'll take care of themselves, but yeah,
I just love playing from yours.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
On in the meantime and finally as a as a
build up for further down the line. Is this an
important build up for the team as in terms of
the World T twenty or is it more designed or
looking ahead to the next ODI World Cup? Where does
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it rate in terms of what you've been able to
achieve in this.
Speaker 6 (14:45):
I think spending spending time in the middle and getting
used to their conditions as very valuable regardless of the format.
Obviously we're moving into it into a twenty twenty series
against India again now in the conditions that the World
Cup's going to be, and so I think it's hugely
valuable for us as a group to get acclimatized to
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the conditions and just be playing cricket and the conditions
that we're going to be in. I assume Daryl taking
the form from his one day series into the twenty
twenty series. When you're scoring runs as a batsman regardless
of the format, it gives you confidence as a group
knowing that regardless of the format, we've taken on India
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now and have been successful when we've stuck to the
things that we want to stick to as gives us
a lot of confidence moving forward, and as we narrow
down into that twenty twenty formats, I'm sure the intricacies
of the twenty twenty game will will focus on, but
the broader picture things of moving into a World Cup
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will will become clear as we get closer to that time.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Oh and one important thing I've overlooked was spin balling,
not only our ability with the ball, but also playing
the quality of Judasia and cold Ep.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
We'd obviously come off our home summer back home in
New Zealand's so as you can imagine, the surfaces are
a little bit different to.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
What we're here.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
But yeah, look, I'm lucky, I guess I've I've spent
a bit of time playing in this country now and
in the subcontinent in general, and you're pretty clear on
how I want to operate on these surfaces. And it's
just it's just about for me at times, trusting gut
instinct and you're backing backing your own skills over and
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over again and being relentless with that. And yeah, it's nice,
nice to have some success. Look, I think called EAPs,
I think he's one of the best bowlers in the world.
I think he's won India Mini a game over time,
and I guess you look at the balance of their
team and how they're operating both in the partnerships in
both games, we recognize that Called Eat was going to
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be a massive part of the of their middle over
phase and if we could find ways to put pressure
on him, then it makes them have to change their
bowling lineup and how they go about using their bowlers.
So yeah, I think I think Called Eat, I think
he's one of the best in the world. I think
he's got great skills, he can vary his pace and
on those services, he's very challenging. So yeah, definitely, I
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guess I guess a plan as a as a partnership
to try and find ways to put pressure on him,
but there's definitely risks that come with that as well.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
Absolutely, I think coming over to this part of the
world where in your place been really well and try
and put you under pressure, is to be able to
stand up to that challenge and try and find a
way to combat it as cool and yeah, it's it's
certainly satisfying when you can keep that Indian betting lineup
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under wraps. For a game. Coming into this series, we
spoke to all the younger players and players that hadn't
played a lot around just backing the skills that that
got them there. And there's nothing that you have to
do out of the ordinary or or that you haven't
done before. It's just doing it on a slightly different stage.
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So it's one thing to be able to say those
things and hear those things, but then when you put
under the bright lights of the international stage, then at
some time sometimes can be overpowering for some people. And yeah,
fortunately for Jaden and myself, he managed to be able
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to deal with those pressures and come out and do
the things that he knows that he can do.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
The thing that really interested me too wasn't and Michael
brace Will spoke about it the performance of our spinners,
and Mitchell also mentioned the fact that they've done a
lot of hard work. Well, I've spent time in India,
some of these players, Mitchell has, but they've been using
a certain type of pitch that's been developed for a
spin bowling in Lincoln. But really, when you're up against
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Todaysia in Cold Deep, you know that arguably two of
the very best in Indian conditions probably the best apart
from Washington Sunday, who's coming onto the scene. But the
likes of Lenox in particular outplay them, I think, don't you.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Certainly, as I mentioned before, Gil withheld the spinners. I
mean he gave cool Deep a little look, you know,
in the usual place. But it's I think it's a
bit of a mistake. I think as a captain, you know,
really if you don't after sort of after the tenth,
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in the next two or three overs, you introduce your
spin and have a look and see what is on
offer for the day. But he didn't even try Jadasia
as I mentioned, until the thirtieth over. Now that that's
quite pointed, isn't it to use such an experienced player,
such a player that's won so many games for India,
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not just with the bat but with the ball as well,
and been so difficult to score from.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
I just felt that that was quite telling.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
The way that the Indian side built about New Zealand's
playing of spin bowling, their sweeps, their ability to manipulate
the field and create gaps putting pressure on the spinner's lenks.
Particularly so in the game two that was done, they
swept them and they reverse swept them and then cooled deep.
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As I say, ten overs for eighty plus and Judasia
was at about five and a half as well, and
they only had one wicket between them in game two.
So perhaps Gil felt he couldn't rely on them in
game three, and if that's the case, don't select them.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Frankly.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
You know, the pitch on game three allowed players to
hit down the ground a lot more straighter. I mean,
probably Mitchell a little bit more legs side than Phillips
was very powerful through there as Mitchell, and he was
able to flick the ball through the on side for
boundaries as well, from mid on kind of to square.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Sixty runs there for him.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
From Mitch square legg to straight bullet's only thirty seven there,
but fifty nine on the off side in front of square.
So they kind of, as I mentioned before, they kind
of balanced each other out and became quite difficult for
Line to bowl at them. And certainly I think that
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was a mistake by the Indian captain or whoever he's
talking to, in the use of those spinners.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
You Zealna worried them.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
They're still number two in the world rankings behind Indya.
Of course, they seem to play more of this cricket.
Just putting it all in perspective, Jerry, the averages of
New Zealand players just New Zealanders in one day cricket.
Mitchell fifty eight. That's ten better than Cain Williamson, who
plays a lot of this form of the game forty eight,
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Ross Taylor forty seven. Glenn Turner from your era forty
seven was his average, so he was sort of trendsetter
in that era. Conway's forty three, Phillips forty two, Ravendra
forty one, Go Up Till forty one, Chapman thirty eight,
Roger two's thirty eight. They're the top ten. Number eleven
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doesn't mean I thought might have been higher Martin Crowe.
But that just puts what Mitchell has achieved in perspective
against some of the greats of our one day game,
isn't it.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Yep?
Speaker 4 (22:33):
He's certainly he's at the top of his game right now.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
It'll be hard for him to stay there. You can't. Well,
we'll wait and see, but it probably will be. They
are all of course, those figures.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
I think you know those people you mentioned in the
top four, which is generally where you should get most
of the runs, and you want most of your runs
in a one day game.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
I just feel that, you know the New.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
Zealanders are playing that it's our format, isn't it. I
don't think there's any doubt about that. We kind of
get it. We kind of get with our bowlers bowling
nice and tightly in a little bit of movement here
and there, backed up by good fielding and then the
batting and chasing totals that aren't huge ones. We've had
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bad blowouts, of course every team does. But generally I
think we're a very effective unit.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Yes, indeed, and we're playing a lot of that form
of the game. We're playing a lot of T twenty.
We're not playing enough test matches to really make a judgment.
I was just having a look to see why Daryl
Mitchell didn't play any ODI cricket in twenty twenty four.
Well do you remember that we only played three ODIs
that year?
Speaker 5 (23:56):
No?
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Didn't we did? Is that right?
Speaker 6 (24:01):
Yep?
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Incredible?
Speaker 4 (24:03):
Well, I tell you what, between now and next year,
we'll play a few or before the ODI will Cup.
You can see it's going to swell. I think quite dramatically.
I think just a quick word about Lenox two wads, yep.
I mean I thought he was fantastic coming in and
those middle overs he was used usually straight after ten, ten, twelve, fourteen, sixteen, eighteen,
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that kind of thing, and only went for sixteen runs
in his first game and those those overs, and yeah,
that's only only one boundary boundary four in his two games.
One boundary and then one six hit by Harshit I
think in the last game.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
So I mean that he was.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Always hit for ones or a few twos, but always
between extra cover and mid on.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
So he controlled the length of the bowling really well.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Very few cuts, no sweeps, as I mentioned, all singles.
You could see if there was any assistance from the pitch.
I mean, he could be a handful. So I thought,
a terrific addition to the team.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Yes, indeed, and he sort of took up the role
that Mitchell Santner has held for New Zealand over a
period time. So you know we're developing those kinds of players.
Great to celebrate a one day series win in India.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Brian Waddell Jeremy Cooney on the front foot, I got
to say I have.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
A real sense of disappointment for our under nineteens, Jerry,
and I know you'll have some feelings for them as
well because they've gone to the Under nineteen World Championship.
They've prepared well. They lent early to develop the game
and develop the team and to really get themselves together.
They haven't even played a game really yet, have they.
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They've had an innings of bowling at the United States.
They had ten overs against Bangladesh. They don't have a
net run rate yet. They've hardly played. And the most
important thing when you go to a tournament like this
surely isn't being able to play and get into the
match rhythm that you need to be in.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Absolutely, And I'm afraid to say wadd's I mean the
family are over there watching Tom Tom Jones and Mark
texts me the other day to say, I'm afraid the
next two weeks the weather is pretty similar the forecast,
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whether it's true or not. Up north of course, Hurrara
it's pretty good and Namibia pretty good as well, so
teams are getting points and games in those places. I'm
afraid all New Zealand's games are at Bulawayo, where we've
had the first two games. You're right, disappointing, very disappointing
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for the boys. Don't know much what else you can
say about it because the pitch, the pitch can only
just get a little bit worse really because it's not
getting much time and the air is that they'll be covered.
Mark said, it just really rained very heavily between the
two games for the day in between, and they've probably
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done quite well to even get as much as they've had,
which is very little.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
It's good to see the key we contingent have got
a fair support from pearents such a The interesting thing
to my mind was that India actually qualified for the
Super six days before New Zealand even played a game.
They had two of their games early in good conditions.
Funny that, isn't it, India getting their games and getting qualified.
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They've already got a net run rate of two point
oh two. When New Zealand play India, it's going to
be hard to knock that over, even if they beat
them to beat their net run rate. So you've got
to look at it and say, well, they're probably either
going to come second or third in Paul B depending
on whether and what happens in the other game, particularly
against Bangladesh in the United States means they are likely
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in the Super Sixers to play against England or Pakistan
if they should happen to win the pool to be
Scotland and Zimbabwe. But I think that that is probably
an outside chance. At the mayor particularly, we're in that
situation because you've got to to beat India and beat
them convincingly. You've got to be able to put together
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an emphatic performance. And at the moment, they haven't done
both together, have they. They've had a they've had a bowl.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Well, they haven't had a chance. I mean you'd like to.
I mean you need I mean to play well, you
need to be playing games.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
We know that.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Nothing like match play. I mean the English found that
out against the Aussies, didn't they. And so look, it's
it's the same as where the where the women were
playing in the World Cup and down in Maroon, down
there in Sri Lanka for a couple of games and
didn't get a back to ball either really.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Or in New Zealand when we invite a touring team
here in October, games get washed out. You just don't
get in play.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Yeah, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
Well that's because we're pushing the season earlier and earlier
and earlier because to get games in. They want to
make money, they want to put more games on so
and there's generally white ball games, isn't it. So that's
that's the way I'm afraid of the world that the
mot was wouldn't be if you and I were in charge.
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But that's very little chance of that.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
On the front foot with Waddle and Cody.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Let's talk about coaching. I wonder whether Scott Robinson has
been in touch with Brendan McCallum or the other way around.
With Brendan Scott Robinson. They might want to swap jobs.
Robinson's looking for a new job, Will McCallum be looking
for a new job.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Well, I mean, whatever I say, it's got nothing to
do with it, really, I mean, I've got.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
I know, but I mean, you know, four years he's
had in charge now, and I.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Think really after a tour like that was, I mean,
at the moment, the saying is that they're going to
retain you know, the all the all the staff at
the moment, and they'll give them, you know, a chance
to see if they can change their what they call culture.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Of the of how the England team, you know, is
prepared as how they play.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
I would have thought that of anybody McCullum and the
coach was in charge of setting the culture. I mean,
he wasn't really a coach as I as I understand
the word coach. To me, he's more of an almost
a pseudo psychologist. Where I heard Stuart Broad talking about
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how he coaches, if I can put that in that
word into the sentence. He gets them to sit around
in a circle and they get a chance, all the
players to say something about whatever they're talking about, and
then he sort of picks it up and goes from there.
But it's certainly not like a batting coach. I mean
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batting coaches too. They use those dog throwers a lot,
and I don't think that's That's not what you hire
a batting coach for. Really, I think there has to
be the certainly they need a coach of some sort.
And one of the early things that McCullum did was
he got rid of all the specialist staff. He cleared
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them out so that there were less voices and messages
being told to the players from different places like those coaches.
So they went no fielding coach, no bowling coach, and
that was right up until in fact they arrived in Australia.
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They hurriedly got a bowling coaching and there were people
flying and then flying out. They didn't have a fielding
coach and they certainly need some of those in my opinion.
So I just it's been an interesting four years, hasn't
it with McCullum. He's changed the way. It was an
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easy start.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
They were lost.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
What one at sixteen out of seventeen was it? They
had lost and so it was kind of a good
time to come in and hear a new message and
he certainly provided that a little bit in the essence
of how he played really very aggressively take the bowler
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on and we remember that in New Zealand, about how
he played as a player correct and that's how they
approached it, and they got very good results in the
first two years, exciting to watch, sort of a new
idea about Test cricket. So people were engaged. So he
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was very popular during that time. I think he formed
a very strong relationship with Rob Key, his boss, and
that was quite important. I think he gained his confidence
and kind of almost got him to approve most of
the things that he wanted, and he wanted really then
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moved on to selections. He wanted batsman who played a
certain way. I don't think he necessarily forced them to
do that, but he encouraged them to to take the
ball and so players like Brook for example, who we
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honestly we saw him charging down the wicket very early
on in sometimes first ball in his innings. As I mentioned,
he cleared out the back room staff. They brought the
kooker bough in to get rid of the seventy to
seventy five mile in our bowlers seamers early on in
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the county championship with the wicket keeper standing up. What
a joke that was when you saw Kerry standing up,
wasn't it?
Speaker 3 (34:40):
In the ashes? But however, that that was what he
wanted to get rid of.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
He wanted tall bowlers, he wanted short, fast, short bowling
and fast bowling eighty five We know all this. That's
where he moved from and that went very well for
the first two years. The second two years they started
to lose games. They they took time away from the
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game that was valued. Freshness was valued, makeshire was valued.
England seemed to discount the World Test Championship a bit,
you know, losing points for bowl you know, for not
bowling their overs. It cost them dramatically. Game seemed to
(35:31):
be tossed away. Do you remember in Hamilton the Third Test?
I mean that was I think Saudi's last Test match
where they played very weekly Sri Lanka. They did it
at the Oval against Sri Lanka at the Oval and
the third Test match as well. They did it against
Pakistan after winning the first Test very well on a
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flat pitch.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
That was another thing.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
This method works on a flat pitch, It doesn't work
on one that moves around, and teams have worked that out,
I think because they then lost the last two when
they played them on spinning pitches. And then there was
a to all series against India who were really aside
in a state of flux with no row At and
no Coalie and a new captain. So really I think
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then then of course they'd made bold selections. How can
you play Wood Wads in the team. I'm talking just
about selecting a team at the moment. How can you
play Wood when he hasn't played at all? So Bo
was eleven over in his home Archer managed three tests
because he played a little bit before, but then he's home.
They had no opening bowler, so there was yeah, and
(36:43):
then they had the preparations of course for their game
that they hadn't prepared. What they needed was some guy
really who came in between Key and McCullum.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
For me, that that crossed the t's and dotted the
eyes a man.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
You know, whatever the plans were they had with the
cricket was a very feasible and realistic and brought the.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
Budget it back into it.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
They need an accountant, They needed a conscientious kind of
detail man to wring the whacker up and book it.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
I can't see how they survive YEP.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Consequences.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
Well, that's right, Well they didn't have them. That's not
for the players either, did they.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Nope.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
You play a week shot, you don't. You're getting out
just before lunch. You're not doing that.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
You're looking at the game the other guys on one
hundred and you're firing stick at the other end. You
can't play test cricket that way. And that's really the
message that they've actually found out is that at the
end of it all, there is another way to play
test cricket.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
They're gamblers.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
Yeah they are. That's exactly what they are. And they
got what they deserved, I'm afraid, and that's.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
What they're going to have to face up to when
it comes to making a decision. McCullum's got the team
at the World T twenty. Then he's going to go
home and prepare for a New Zealand tour. That is
going to be an interesting one because they will back
themselves in their home territory to a deal to New
Zealand who haven't played a lot of Test cricket recently.
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And I guess they've got to make a decision between
now and then. We'll watch that with a little bit
of interest, Jeremy. I'm sure you'll be able to make
at night watching the under nineteenes and of course two
thirty in the morning if you want to watch the
New Zealand team play teen twenties in India. I think
I'll watch the replay.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Well, I don't think I'll be up at that time.
Speaker 4 (38:39):
Why it's not really replays, so podcast will be a
little bit later the next day, I think, rather than
the early mornings afternoon recordings.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
I think so mate, all right, go and pick your.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Feed up as time coming and I'm talking again next week.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Yeah good ones. They care Mate.
Speaker 5 (39:05):
Summer.
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Hello, We're back on the front foot with raisine, premium
quality paints and staying will blow me down. I didn't
see it coming. A serious win for the first time
in India. We've been going there for thirty three years.
And that's not the only special part for me. The
former performance of Darryl Mitchell. Wow, just let me speechless
(01:07):
and sleepless. I've got to say to do it once
for spectacular, but to complete the series went at the
home of the Indoor Cricket Association was awesome. I've been
there and Daryl Mitchell enjoys it as well. Doesn't talk
much about his achievements. Patriarchic Huey loves blaming for New Zealand.
He says, Joy's just doing his role. Jerry and Odie
(01:29):
I average of fifty eight. You know, there's only three
better than him, very at Coli of course, as an
outstanding player is ahead of him. There's a couple of
other guys. Ryan tender Scater, who you probably heard of,
plays for the Netherlands, plays county cricket in Essex. And
a guy called Millan de Kumar is the highest average.
(01:50):
He plays for the United States and he averages sixty
seven point seventy three. I mean, we can't belittle that
tender Scaters sixty seven. But what Mitchell's achieved in fifty
nine games fifty eight point seven six utterly outstanding. It's
incomparable in terms of our one day play, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Oh he's a good player, wads, isn't he?
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Now? When I mean he's at the top of his
game there at the moment and eighty and a couple
of hundreds.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
That's an immense contribution. I mean, you can't do better
than that. Can you really?
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Look?
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Really confident? Settled, strong on the leg side and down
the ground. We know that, and then he pulls the
ball well, plays this. He's added the sweeps, hasn't he?
The rams and the little reverse sweeps against the spinners,
and that good solid defense he comes at the bowler.
I mean, I really I love watching him run with
(02:45):
Phillips looks like Carl Lewis at one.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
End and Norman Reid at the other.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Doesn't but you're right, But about sixty eight the eyes, Yeah,
you're right, and he's now coming up thirty five.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
I think something like that. So that's what you want
from your experienced players, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
In his last twelve one day he's been over fifty
seven times and three of three more times sorry, ten times,
I suppose, because three of them have become hundreds and
one hundred and thirty one, not out as not just
getting to one one hundred and thirty seven, one hundred
and nineteen. And he's basically been the base that the
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team has built around, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Oh? Yeah, he has, I think, to be honest with you,
I think India helped him.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
They gave him a start, usually with the Steamers, and
I think every batsman likes getting in against seemas against
the white ball, where it's not moving quite so much
and you know you've got the place of the pitch.
Their spinners did really poorly didn't they over the series
When you look at it, cool Deep and Judasia to
(03:54):
the extent, I think that in the last game gill
Gill used them very late. He didn't bring Judasia in
until the thirtieth over. And once you start there as
a spinner, obviously not going to bowl your compliment of
ten overs, are you? So I thought, you know, they
frightened the New Zealanders actually frightened the Indians playing spin
(04:20):
against them. They had too many shots and they hadn't
done well in game two and you know Cool Deep
had gone for over eighty and his ten overs, so
they just pushed them to one side and they bowled
Ready that sort of all round in the test Ready
they bowled him about eight or nine overs in that
third game. So they bowled a heck of a lot
(04:41):
of seam, which suits the New Zealanders. And even against
Phillips when he went and he was able to get
himself in as well. That's not to decry in any way.
The way that the New Zealanders played that was a
fantastic partnership. And Young got some runs as well. Good
to see him getting a few at last. So the
New Zealanders, I mean, look what a good win that
(05:04):
was really with what was a depleted side. You'd have
to be honest about that. It was sort of a
side defined by those who weren't there, you know, the
players that weren't playing as much as it was those
who were. And from a really small population like New
Zealand and against a strong Indian side.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
It was heck of a well done. I thought new
bowlers in the side Wads.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Lennox, Clark and Ashock Park got the most wickets wads.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yeah, and I mean he's been around the domestic scene
for a while, so you know that was an important
milestone for herm and he's staying on for the early
part of the T twenties just to build up the
pace bowling ranks while they're playing T twenties two weeks
in a row and Daryl Mitchell is back on the
(05:56):
front foot. We don't do that very often, Jerry. He's
been joined by Michael Bracewell and a chance to recall
the Mitchell partnership with Phillips, which for me was a
bit beyond belief and development and execution. I guess I
have to say I shouldn't have doubted this team's ability
to produce two players to set up a match winning partnership. Darryl,
(06:18):
what's your view on how things went?
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Then?
Speaker 5 (06:20):
Yeah, GP does what GP does. He comes out and
the energizer bunny and gets me, gets me running, which
is good fun and you're nice to put a score
on the board. I thought probably three hundred. It was
about pass so to get over that and beast with
his lovely little cameo at the end of some bomb squad.
It was really nice to see.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Interesting that comment about Phillips doing what he does best
because if he hit a jizer Bunny and he is.
But the contribution he made with the bat was a
little bit out of character, although you know, strike rate
was still pretty good when he got to the end.
But he played what, to my mind seemed at that
(07:00):
stage of mature innings, the kind of it is you
want from a player coming in at that position in
the order, And that really told, didn't it against the
Indian attack because they were starting to get on top.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Yep, lots of singles and changing ends.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Phillips is quite a shorter man, plays a different style
of game than Mitchell.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Changing the ends is.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Quite important because you're getting you're getting to a point
where on a smallesh ground which indoor is, towards the
end of an innings, you can catch you can catch up,
you can play the big shots, you can play boundaries
and sixers and so on, which is what they did
and what Phillips did in particular there so he played,
(07:48):
you know, I think an innings that balanced nicely against
Mitchell's kind of approach as well. So a very important
partnership of a match defining one.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Really.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Captain Michael Bracewell spent most of the time watching from
the outer as they added two hundred and nineteen from
one hundred and eighty eight boars. The rest of the
game was spent in the dugout was a serious carpentry
butts as tours kipper, he had every reason to enjoy
what Mitchell achieved.
Speaker 6 (08:16):
I think, yeah, it's been fantastic to watch Daryl go
about his business over here for a number of games
now and just sort of rolled out that formula that's
worked so well.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
From what part did previous success in the Test series
against India recently play in your preparation and build.
Speaker 6 (08:34):
Up, I think that's one thing that we spoke about
as a team a lot. I think coming over here,
we had some inexperienced players, three guys making their debuts
on this tour, So the shared experiences of the guys
that had been here before and understanding how to deal
with the crowd and the wickets and what to expect.
Obviously each venue slightly differently in the challenge that it
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throws at you, and we're able to lean on the
more experienced guys that have been here several times and
even part of that test tour that created history over here.
So I think the power of our group is that
people willing to share their experiences and you don't have
to experience them for yourself to be able to learn
(09:19):
from them. So yeah, that's certainly something we spoke about
as a group coming into this series, and it put
us in really good stead.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Do you come, as Jadan Lennox and Christian Clark shared
you well, particularly in the final two games.
Speaker 6 (09:32):
Yeah, they reasonably experienced on the domestic level and to
come in and get thrust into some pretty tough situations.
Jaden's first over was in the power play, and it's
never easy as a spinnitter bowl in the power play,
particularly against the powerhouses that India possess with the bats,
so yeah, to jump in there, and he certainly hit
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the ground running and involved really well in that first game,
and then to continue his form here in the second
game was outstanding. And then yeah, Christian did a great
job for us the whole series and it's great to
see him contribute with both bat and ball and add
to the depth of our scene bowling all rounders.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
How frustrating was it for you to be in that
situation and not really be able to play a part
in the second half of the game.
Speaker 6 (10:25):
Yeah, it's obviously frustrating as an all rounder. You want
to be involved in the game for the four hundred overs,
so to get that cut short was disappointing. And obviously
having to hand the reins over to Darrell was pretty
comfortable with the experience and leadership that he shows on
the field, So I guess he did a really good
job of marshaling the troops when I left, And yeah,
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I guess it's always tricky when you've got to navigate
being a bowler down. So I thought we did a
really good job of navigating that situation, and Glenn Philip
stood up and Darrel stood up there at different stages
and did really well. So yeah, it's obviously a tough situation,
and one when you're having to sit and watch from
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the sidelines when you're used to being out there playing
is a little bit different. But you've always got faith
in the in the team that are out there to
be able to do the job and sort of band together,
and yeah, that's what we pride ourselves on as a team.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Going on from that, of course, it just highlights the
fact that your leadership group too is ready to step
in and players always step into individual situations, but the
leadership group then has to take over, doesn't it, Because
you know, you've take taken this tour and then Daryl
had to pick it up basically with a snap of
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the fingers to a certain extent, didn't he.
Speaker 6 (11:45):
In terms of the leadership, Yeah, the power as the
people in our team, and there's there's no one sort
of dictator out there telling everyone what to do. So
I don't think it was too different from me leading
out there, to be honest, when I'm more constantly bouncing
ideas of different guys in the group, and yeah, I
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think that shows that one person goes down, we're sort
of we've got many many people that are willing to
step up and take on that leadership role and thot
down at an outstanding job today.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
I know both of you are reluctant to talk about
your own efforts as such, but where does this sit
personally for you as an achievement. You know, we're celebrating
it here in New Zealand and really loving the fact
that you're able to win for the first time in
a series in one of the most difficult countries in
the world to play. Where does it sit with you?
Speaker 5 (12:38):
Yeah, look, it's it's definitely right up there. I think
obviously the Test Tour last year it's something it's very
special to achieve. But yeah, it's it's just cool to
be part of of a group of group of New
Zealanders who are just getting getting stuck in and achieving
history the things that we've never done as a group before,
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and it's very special. You know, we've come over here
as the black Cats many many times over the years
and we've learned a lot of lessons in the past
from from our past players and how they've gone about
it and sort of passed through and generation to generation.
And yeah, for us, I guess now out of E
one and od I series, especially with a younger group
(13:19):
that we that we did have this series, it's very special.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
I know you've spoken about the various aspects of your game.
You're averaging fifty eight in one days. You're up right
at level basically there. Does that mean much to you?
To figures mean a lot to you because you know
they appear in front of you all the time and
people are always going to talk about them when you
are leading the way.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
Yeah, look, that's numbers. Numbers are a part of the
game and we'll always I guess the history of the
game that will be looked at. But for me personally,
it's yeah, I just want to win games and try
and help help our country. I love playing for New Zealand.
It means so much, and what the numbers will be
at the end of my career will be. But to
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be able to get stuck in the moments like we
got tonight as a group, and to come out on
the other side and achieve what we've achieved, that's what
drives you. That's what gets you up in the morning,
is to put on that silver fan and get stuck in.
So yeah, number they'll they'll take care of themselves, but yeah,
I just love playing from yours.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
On in the meantime and finally as a as a
build up for further down the line. Is this an
important build up for the team as in terms of
the World T twenty or is it more designed or
looking ahead to the next ODI World Cup? Where does
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it rate in terms of what you've been able to
achieve in this.
Speaker 6 (14:45):
I think spending spending time in the middle and getting
used to their conditions as very valuable regardless of the format.
Obviously we're moving into it into a twenty twenty series
against India again now in the conditions that the World
Cup's going to be, and so I think it's hugely
valuable for us as a group to get acclimatized to
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the conditions and just be playing cricket and the conditions
that we're going to be in. I assume Daryl taking
the form from his one day series into the twenty
twenty series. When you're scoring runs as a batsman regardless
of the format, it gives you confidence as a group
knowing that regardless of the format, we've taken on India
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now and have been successful when we've stuck to the
things that we want to stick to as gives us
a lot of confidence moving forward, and as we narrow
down into that twenty twenty formats, I'm sure the intricacies
of the twenty twenty game will will focus on, but
the broader picture things of moving into a World Cup
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will will become clear as we get closer to that time.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Oh and one important thing I've overlooked was spin balling,
not only our ability with the ball, but also playing
the quality of Judasia and cold Ep.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
We'd obviously come off our home summer back home in
New Zealand's so as you can imagine, the surfaces are
a little bit different to.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
What we're here.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
But yeah, look, I'm lucky, I guess I've I've spent
a bit of time playing in this country now and
in the subcontinent in general, and you're pretty clear on
how I want to operate on these surfaces. And it's
just it's just about for me at times, trusting gut
instinct and you're backing backing your own skills over and
(16:33):
over again and being relentless with that. And yeah, it's nice,
nice to have some success. Look, I think called EAPs,
I think he's one of the best bowlers in the world.
I think he's won India Mini a game over time,
and I guess you look at the balance of their
team and how they're operating both in the partnerships in
both games, we recognize that Called Eat was going to
(16:54):
be a massive part of the of their middle over
phase and if we could find ways to put pressure
on him, then it makes them have to change their
bowling lineup and how they go about using their bowlers.
So yeah, I think I think Called Eat, I think
he's one of the best in the world. I think
he's got great skills, he can vary his pace and
on those services, he's very challenging. So yeah, definitely, I
(17:14):
guess I guess a plan as a as a partnership
to try and find ways to put pressure on him,
but there's definitely risks that come with that as well.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
Absolutely, I think coming over to this part of the
world where in your place been really well and try
and put you under pressure, is to be able to
stand up to that challenge and try and find a
way to combat it as cool and yeah, it's it's
certainly satisfying when you can keep that Indian betting lineup
(17:44):
under wraps. For a game. Coming into this series, we
spoke to all the younger players and players that hadn't
played a lot around just backing the skills that that
got them there. And there's nothing that you have to
do out of the ordinary or or that you haven't
done before. It's just doing it on a slightly different stage.
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So it's one thing to be able to say those
things and hear those things, but then when you put
under the bright lights of the international stage, then at
some time sometimes can be overpowering for some people. And yeah,
fortunately for Jaden and myself, he managed to be able
(18:25):
to deal with those pressures and come out and do
the things that he knows that he can do.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
The thing that really interested me too wasn't and Michael
brace Will spoke about it the performance of our spinners,
and Mitchell also mentioned the fact that they've done a
lot of hard work. Well, I've spent time in India,
some of these players, Mitchell has, but they've been using
a certain type of pitch that's been developed for a
spin bowling in Lincoln. But really, when you're up against
(18:57):
Todaysia in Cold Deep, you know that arguably two of
the very best in Indian conditions probably the best apart
from Washington Sunday, who's coming onto the scene. But the
likes of Lenox in particular outplay them, I think, don't you.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Certainly, as I mentioned before, Gil withheld the spinners. I
mean he gave cool Deep a little look, you know,
in the usual place. But it's I think it's a
bit of a mistake. I think as a captain, you know,
really if you don't after sort of after the tenth,
(19:33):
in the next two or three overs, you introduce your
spin and have a look and see what is on
offer for the day. But he didn't even try Jadasia
as I mentioned, until the thirtieth over. Now that that's
quite pointed, isn't it to use such an experienced player,
such a player that's won so many games for India,
(19:56):
not just with the bat but with the ball as well,
and been so difficult to score from.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
I just felt that that was quite telling.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
The way that the Indian side built about New Zealand's
playing of spin bowling, their sweeps, their ability to manipulate
the field and create gaps putting pressure on the spinner's lenks.
Particularly so in the game two that was done, they
swept them and they reverse swept them and then cooled deep.
(20:29):
As I say, ten overs for eighty plus and Judasia
was at about five and a half as well, and
they only had one wicket between them in game two.
So perhaps Gil felt he couldn't rely on them in
game three, and if that's the case, don't select them.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Frankly.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
You know, the pitch on game three allowed players to
hit down the ground a lot more straighter. I mean,
probably Mitchell a little bit more legs side than Phillips
was very powerful through there as Mitchell, and he was
able to flick the ball through the on side for
boundaries as well, from mid on kind of to square.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Sixty runs there for him.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
From Mitch square legg to straight bullet's only thirty seven there,
but fifty nine on the off side in front of square.
So they kind of, as I mentioned before, they kind
of balanced each other out and became quite difficult for
Line to bowl at them. And certainly I think that
(21:30):
was a mistake by the Indian captain or whoever he's
talking to, in the use of those spinners.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
You Zealna worried them.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
They're still number two in the world rankings behind Indya.
Of course, they seem to play more of this cricket.
Just putting it all in perspective, Jerry, the averages of
New Zealand players just New Zealanders in one day cricket.
Mitchell fifty eight. That's ten better than Cain Williamson, who
plays a lot of this form of the game forty eight,
(22:00):
Ross Taylor forty seven. Glenn Turner from your era forty
seven was his average, so he was sort of trendsetter
in that era. Conway's forty three, Phillips forty two, Ravendra
forty one, Go Up Till forty one, Chapman thirty eight,
Roger two's thirty eight. They're the top ten. Number eleven
(22:22):
doesn't mean I thought might have been higher Martin Crowe.
But that just puts what Mitchell has achieved in perspective
against some of the greats of our one day game,
isn't it.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Yep?
Speaker 4 (22:33):
He's certainly he's at the top of his game right now.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
It'll be hard for him to stay there. You can't. Well,
we'll wait and see, but it probably will be. They
are all of course, those figures.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
I think you know those people you mentioned in the
top four, which is generally where you should get most
of the runs, and you want most of your runs
in a one day game.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
I just feel that, you know the New.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
Zealanders are playing that it's our format, isn't it. I
don't think there's any doubt about that. We kind of
get it. We kind of get with our bowlers bowling
nice and tightly in a little bit of movement here
and there, backed up by good fielding and then the
batting and chasing totals that aren't huge ones. We've had
(23:29):
bad blowouts, of course every team does. But generally I
think we're a very effective unit.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Yes, indeed, and we're playing a lot of that form
of the game. We're playing a lot of T twenty.
We're not playing enough test matches to really make a judgment.
I was just having a look to see why Daryl
Mitchell didn't play any ODI cricket in twenty twenty four.
Well do you remember that we only played three ODIs
that year?
Speaker 5 (23:56):
No?
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Didn't we did? Is that right?
Speaker 6 (24:01):
Yep?
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Incredible?
Speaker 4 (24:03):
Well, I tell you what, between now and next year,
we'll play a few or before the ODI will Cup.
You can see it's going to swell. I think quite dramatically.
I think just a quick word about Lenox two wads, yep.
I mean I thought he was fantastic coming in and
those middle overs he was used usually straight after ten, ten, twelve, fourteen, sixteen, eighteen,
(24:27):
that kind of thing, and only went for sixteen runs
in his first game and those those overs, and yeah,
that's only only one boundary boundary four in his two games.
One boundary and then one six hit by Harshit I
think in the last game.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
So I mean that he was.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Always hit for ones or a few twos, but always
between extra cover and mid on.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
So he controlled the length of the bowling really well.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Very few cuts, no sweeps, as I mentioned, all singles.
You could see if there was any assistance from the pitch.
I mean, he could be a handful. So I thought,
a terrific addition to the team.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Yes, indeed, and he sort of took up the role
that Mitchell Santner has held for New Zealand over a
period time. So you know we're developing those kinds of players.
Great to celebrate a one day series win in India.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Brian Waddell Jeremy Cooney on the front foot, I got
to say I have.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
A real sense of disappointment for our under nineteens, Jerry,
and I know you'll have some feelings for them as
well because they've gone to the Under nineteen World Championship.
They've prepared well. They lent early to develop the game
and develop the team and to really get themselves together.
They haven't even played a game really yet, have they.
(25:54):
They've had an innings of bowling at the United States.
They had ten overs against Bangladesh. They don't have a
net run rate yet. They've hardly played. And the most
important thing when you go to a tournament like this
surely isn't being able to play and get into the
match rhythm that you need to be in.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Absolutely, And I'm afraid to say wadd's I mean the
family are over there watching Tom Tom Jones and Mark
texts me the other day to say, I'm afraid the
next two weeks the weather is pretty similar the forecast,
(26:34):
whether it's true or not. Up north of course, Hurrara
it's pretty good and Namibia pretty good as well, so
teams are getting points and games in those places. I'm
afraid all New Zealand's games are at Bulawayo, where we've
had the first two games. You're right, disappointing, very disappointing
(26:58):
for the boys. Don't know much what else you can
say about it because the pitch, the pitch can only
just get a little bit worse really because it's not
getting much time and the air is that they'll be covered.
Mark said, it just really rained very heavily between the
two games for the day in between, and they've probably
(27:20):
done quite well to even get as much as they've had,
which is very little.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
It's good to see the key we contingent have got
a fair support from pearents such a The interesting thing
to my mind was that India actually qualified for the
Super six days before New Zealand even played a game.
They had two of their games early in good conditions.
Funny that, isn't it, India getting their games and getting qualified.
(27:46):
They've already got a net run rate of two point
oh two. When New Zealand play India, it's going to
be hard to knock that over, even if they beat
them to beat their net run rate. So you've got
to look at it and say, well, they're probably either
going to come second or third in Paul B depending
on whether and what happens in the other game, particularly
against Bangladesh in the United States means they are likely
(28:09):
in the Super Sixers to play against England or Pakistan
if they should happen to win the pool to be
Scotland and Zimbabwe. But I think that that is probably
an outside chance. At the mayor particularly, we're in that
situation because you've got to to beat India and beat
them convincingly. You've got to be able to put together
(28:31):
an emphatic performance. And at the moment, they haven't done
both together, have they. They've had a they've had a bowl.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Well, they haven't had a chance. I mean you'd like to.
I mean you need I mean to play well, you
need to be playing games.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
We know that.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Nothing like match play. I mean the English found that
out against the Aussies, didn't they. And so look, it's
it's the same as where the where the women were
playing in the World Cup and down in Maroon, down
there in Sri Lanka for a couple of games and
didn't get a back to ball either really.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Or in New Zealand when we invite a touring team
here in October, games get washed out. You just don't
get in play.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Yeah, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
Well that's because we're pushing the season earlier and earlier
and earlier because to get games in. They want to
make money, they want to put more games on so
and there's generally white ball games, isn't it. So that's
that's the way I'm afraid of the world that the
mot was wouldn't be if you and I were in charge.
(29:35):
But that's very little chance of that.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
On the front foot with Waddle and Cody.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Let's talk about coaching. I wonder whether Scott Robinson has
been in touch with Brendan McCallum or the other way around.
With Brendan Scott Robinson. They might want to swap jobs.
Robinson's looking for a new job, Will McCallum be looking
for a new job.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Well, I mean, whatever I say, it's got nothing to
do with it, really, I mean, I've got.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
I know, but I mean, you know, four years he's
had in charge now, and I.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Think really after a tour like that was, I mean,
at the moment, the saying is that they're going to
retain you know, the all the all the staff at
the moment, and they'll give them, you know, a chance
to see if they can change their what they call culture.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Of the of how the England team, you know, is
prepared as how they play.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
I would have thought that of anybody McCullum and the
coach was in charge of setting the culture. I mean,
he wasn't really a coach as I as I understand
the word coach. To me, he's more of an almost
a pseudo psychologist. Where I heard Stuart Broad talking about
(31:14):
how he coaches, if I can put that in that
word into the sentence. He gets them to sit around
in a circle and they get a chance, all the
players to say something about whatever they're talking about, and
then he sort of picks it up and goes from there.
But it's certainly not like a batting coach. I mean
(31:34):
batting coaches too. They use those dog throwers a lot,
and I don't think that's That's not what you hire
a batting coach for. Really, I think there has to
be the certainly they need a coach of some sort.
And one of the early things that McCullum did was
he got rid of all the specialist staff. He cleared
(31:56):
them out so that there were less voices and messages
being told to the players from different places like those coaches.
So they went no fielding coach, no bowling coach, and
that was right up until in fact they arrived in Australia.
(32:18):
They hurriedly got a bowling coaching and there were people
flying and then flying out. They didn't have a fielding
coach and they certainly need some of those in my opinion.
So I just it's been an interesting four years, hasn't
it with McCullum. He's changed the way. It was an
(32:41):
easy start.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
They were lost.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
What one at sixteen out of seventeen was it? They
had lost and so it was kind of a good
time to come in and hear a new message and
he certainly provided that a little bit in the essence
of how he played really very aggressively take the bowler
(33:03):
on and we remember that in New Zealand, about how
he played as a player correct and that's how they
approached it, and they got very good results in the
first two years, exciting to watch, sort of a new
idea about Test cricket. So people were engaged. So he
(33:27):
was very popular during that time. I think he formed
a very strong relationship with Rob Key, his boss, and
that was quite important. I think he gained his confidence
and kind of almost got him to approve most of
the things that he wanted, and he wanted really then
(33:48):
moved on to selections. He wanted batsman who played a
certain way. I don't think he necessarily forced them to
do that, but he encouraged them to to take the
ball and so players like Brook for example, who we
(34:11):
honestly we saw him charging down the wicket very early
on in sometimes first ball in his innings. As I mentioned,
he cleared out the back room staff. They brought the
kooker bough in to get rid of the seventy to
seventy five mile in our bowlers seamers early on in
(34:31):
the county championship with the wicket keeper standing up. What
a joke that was when you saw Kerry standing up,
wasn't it?
Speaker 3 (34:40):
In the ashes? But however, that that was what he
wanted to get rid of.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
He wanted tall bowlers, he wanted short, fast, short bowling
and fast bowling eighty five We know all this. That's
where he moved from and that went very well for
the first two years. The second two years they started
to lose games. They they took time away from the
(35:10):
game that was valued. Freshness was valued, makeshire was valued.
England seemed to discount the World Test Championship a bit,
you know, losing points for bowl you know, for not
bowling their overs. It cost them dramatically. Game seemed to
(35:31):
be tossed away. Do you remember in Hamilton the Third Test?
I mean that was I think Saudi's last Test match
where they played very weekly Sri Lanka. They did it
at the Oval against Sri Lanka at the Oval and
the third Test match as well. They did it against
Pakistan after winning the first Test very well on a
(35:53):
flat pitch.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
That was another thing.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
This method works on a flat pitch, It doesn't work
on one that moves around, and teams have worked that out,
I think because they then lost the last two when
they played them on spinning pitches. And then there was
a to all series against India who were really aside
in a state of flux with no row At and
no Coalie and a new captain. So really I think
(36:20):
then then of course they'd made bold selections. How can
you play Wood Wads in the team. I'm talking just
about selecting a team at the moment. How can you
play Wood when he hasn't played at all? So Bo
was eleven over in his home Archer managed three tests
because he played a little bit before, but then he's home.
They had no opening bowler, so there was yeah, and
(36:43):
then they had the preparations of course for their game
that they hadn't prepared. What they needed was some guy
really who came in between Key and McCullum.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
For me, that that crossed the t's and dotted the
eyes a man.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
You know, whatever the plans were they had with the
cricket was a very feasible and realistic and brought the.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
Budget it back into it.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
They need an accountant, They needed a conscientious kind of
detail man to wring the whacker up and book it.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
I can't see how they survive YEP.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Consequences.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
Well, that's right, Well they didn't have them. That's not
for the players either, did they.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Nope.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
You play a week shot, you don't. You're getting out
just before lunch. You're not doing that.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
You're looking at the game the other guys on one
hundred and you're firing stick at the other end. You
can't play test cricket that way. And that's really the
message that they've actually found out is that at the
end of it all, there is another way to play
test cricket.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
They're gamblers.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
Yeah they are. That's exactly what they are. And they
got what they deserved, I'm afraid, and that's.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
What they're going to have to face up to when
it comes to making a decision. McCullum's got the team
at the World T twenty. Then he's going to go
home and prepare for a New Zealand tour. That is
going to be an interesting one because they will back
themselves in their home territory to a deal to New
Zealand who haven't played a lot of Test cricket recently.
(38:16):
And I guess they've got to make a decision between
now and then. We'll watch that with a little bit
of interest, Jeremy. I'm sure you'll be able to make
at night watching the under nineteenes and of course two
thirty in the morning if you want to watch the
New Zealand team play teen twenties in India. I think
I'll watch the replay.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Well, I don't think I'll be up at that time.
Speaker 4 (38:39):
Why it's not really replays, so podcast will be a
little bit later the next day, I think, rather than
the early mornings afternoon recordings.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
I think so mate, all right, go and pick your.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Feed up as time coming and I'm talking again next week.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Yeah good ones. They care Mate.
Speaker 5 (39:05):
Summer.
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