February 4, 2026 • 48 mins
This week on On The Front Foot, Bryan Waddle and Jeremy Coney are joined by Peter Holland to break down whether New Zealand has a side that can make it to the semi-finals of the T20 World Cup.
Plus, they ask how serious Pakistan's threat of boycotting the match with India is, and offer birthday greetings to one of the country’s fastest bowlers.
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When you look at the quality of the sides in
the final England of playing India, but a chance to well,
it's a happy new year to Peter Holland even though
it is fevery moose. It's the first time we've spoken.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
And I'm all the better for it. Thank you, Brian, aren't.
Speaker 6 (01:50):
We all jered well for the gap that we for
the nice silence that you've had Moose.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
Well, yes, I'm leaving that door open for listeners to
try and themselves.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Yeah, well we sat on a sad note too, and Jerry,
both of you knew and played with Tony Pygott, who
passed away this week, just sixty seven years of age,
a man who had a bit of stomach cancer issue.
But he was in Australia for the Ashes recently and
seemed to be still involved heavily in cricket union pretty
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well most well.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
I didn't know him very well and he played two
years for Wellington three and eighty four. In eighty three
in particular, Lester was outstanding, ran through a few sides Auckland.
I can remember vividly at Eden Park. He was a
damn damn good bowler, did well for one test. It
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was an interesting time when we were playing, we being
willing to were playing CV at fitz Herbert Park and
Leicester as he was known this is eighty four, was
campaigning of Sheen's Blintz and apparently couldn't bowl, which was
and he was sitting sitting in the sheds. But a
call came through and those days I guess it was
(03:11):
a landline and Lester, I think a couple of their
quicks and the mcc or was at England in those days,
had fallen by the wayside and Lester got the call
all of a sudden, sprang out of his seat and chair,
his bag without even washing it and headed to christ
Church for his one test, postponed his wedding for a week,
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and Julie Cave went down there I think, got a
couple of wickets and got thrashed by j Hadley to
all parts and England lost in three days. You were
you were part of that team.
Speaker 7 (03:47):
Jerry, Yeah, I was. I was moose.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
I'd first of all just have to confirm what you
said about Lester's performance for Wellington. He really put in
a sterling effort.
Speaker 7 (03:59):
Really right through those couple of years you could always
rely on and to running hard.
Speaker 6 (04:04):
And he had the ability to just sort of surprise
Batsman with a bit of extra pace too quick. So
he was a very handy pro in those days. Like
the good moan, like the.
Speaker 7 (04:16):
Good laugh, you know.
Speaker 6 (04:18):
And I can imagine him sitting there moaning about his
shin splints and how they were sore.
Speaker 7 (04:22):
And I can also imagine.
Speaker 6 (04:23):
Him how quickly they recovered, and and he headed down
south to get his mc c jersey as England jersey.
He loved that, very proud of it. You You were
actually best man. Weren't you at his wedding when it
finally occurred a week late?
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Yes, no, I was, and and I recall it. It
was slightly bizarre. It was on a Sunday, which was
an unusual day for a wedding. But who's to.
Speaker 7 (04:50):
Say, Oh, well he was religious.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Well he was a good Harrow boy of course. Yeah.
But no, I was the best man. I can't recall
what I had to say at the wedding and person
as the best man, but you know I was, yeah,
front center of that. I got to see Lefter a
little bit in the early days when he was playing
(05:14):
for Sussex submitted and I think you played him Jerry
at home when he was two about eighty Sex did
and he used to run down the hill and he
was pretty quick at times or could be.
Speaker 7 (05:29):
Oh he could surprise you.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
So he was his wicket.
Speaker 6 (05:33):
Yeah, I was one of his wickets in the christ
Church Test match. In fact, he got me and Brucie,
both his teammates from Wellington.
Speaker 7 (05:40):
Brucey Edgar out.
Speaker 6 (05:44):
Yeah, we felt sorry for him, but then Richard didn't
and he came out and got a very quick ninety
yard I think, and and the game went downhill for
England from there on really. But yeah, he played a
Test match and he was a very as I say,
a very worthy kind of and a good bowler too.
Speaker 7 (06:07):
Wads really tired, you know.
Speaker 6 (06:09):
Quick outswinger could surprise you with pace too. So we'll
miss Leicester Lester I used to see at Sussex when
I'd go down to see him there and he'd be
he'd be there watching the game or coaching or involved
in some way.
Speaker 7 (06:26):
And just just a good cricket man. You know, we'll
miss him.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
It was very interesting to see and know Leicester and
what it meant for him to play a Test. Contrast
that about thirty years later when I when I'm seeing
a waning medium medium pace bowler with the name of
Tim Salvey taking for granted and deciding when he would
finish his test career. Big contrast there, and I'm still
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not forgiven Saldi for stealing a few tests when probably
Duffy would have been a much better option. But anyway,
I've had them say, and I'll.
Speaker 6 (06:59):
Yeah, you're becoming all controversial, controversial now most since you've
gone to Bloody Auckland's.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Becoming ever Yeah, yeah, point made, and no problem with that.
So yeah, a likable guy. Leicester py Got none as
Leicester for the for the obvious reason his name was
spelt Pickett but pronounced py Got on a happier note.
Somebody you both know pretty well too, turned eighty five
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this week. Gary Bartlett, regarded as the quickest bowler in
New Zealand at the time, probably still would rates there
as one of the top quickies. Jerry, you would have
faced them. I don't know about you, Mors. She might
have paired up a couple of times.
Speaker 7 (07:44):
He was sharp.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
I don't know whether you've read that little book called
Common Across the Sky or something like that, isn't it
By Bill Francis, but he was he was lightning coming
out to play at Harnton Park with no sight screen
behind him. I remember actually first arriving and I didn't
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I couldn't he the keeper or the slips are tall.
Speaker 7 (08:11):
I thought, what is he?
Speaker 6 (08:13):
Just bowling straight and very full, but they were so
far back I've never seen that.
Speaker 7 (08:20):
They were virtually on the boundary at Haughton.
Speaker 6 (08:22):
Park and that that delivery he bowled, I've got to
say at the hut Valley and he used to play
in the Hawke Cup of course for Marlborough.
Speaker 7 (08:34):
And it bounced that he bowled delivery.
Speaker 6 (08:36):
It bounced once before it went over the boundary for
six over the keeper's head at hut Wreck and that
was quite a slow kind of you know, lazy picture
in those days. And the one thing I do remember
about Bob since and I may have said it to
and I'm sorry to listeners if they've heard it before,
but Bob Simpson, the Australian wicket keeper, sorry, the Australian opener,
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had was asked a question once and he said they
asked him he was the fastest bowler you ever faced,
and there was a silence from said, well, actually he said,
not many ever. Your listeners might know this name. But
it was a man called Gary Bartlet from New Zealand.
And I faced him at Puki Koura Park one afternoon.
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It was like lightning facing them and he was he
was like that, and Gary remembered that when I spoke
to him and said, oh, I had him jump and
Jerry that day, he just he loved the whole idea.
I saw Barters two weeks ago. He's in the old home.
I was going to see my cousin Mike Crump, who's
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the Coney patriarch now, and he's in the next door
room to Michael Crump, and there was Barter's. I saw
his name on the door as I walked past, and
so I knocked on it when I'd said goodbye to
Mike Crump and went in and Gary and I spent
about half an hour and there he had no shoes
on his feet.
Speaker 7 (10:09):
They were they were not looking in good shape, but he.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
Himself was and he's he's still he always was quite
a young looking man and still is. And he just
lay back on his bed and we had a good
chat about cricket. He's still up with the play a
bit so it was good to see him, and I'll
pop and see him in the future as well, when
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I go and see them both.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
I never played him, no, no, and I'm actually rather
pleased I didn't, But I do remember some of Jerry's
stories because Wellington used to play like a pre pre
season match and you'd go down to Haughton Park, wouldn't you, Jerry,
and I think there were a lot of people were
looking for cover.
Speaker 6 (10:54):
I record, oh, mate, I was down at number six,
so just a kid from Onslow hadn't played for Wellington,
thought gee, this will be great.
Speaker 7 (11:03):
Never heard of Bartlet and.
Speaker 6 (11:07):
Down at six as I say, and number three would
be locked in the toilet. We used to change on
a little corrugated iron hut up on a little mound
at one end of the ground, and number four was
missing shopping, number five was visiting an auntie, and so
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suddenly you were at number three and it was a
nightmare no one wanted to face, and no one once
you saw the pace, very hard to pick up the
links because you'd.
Speaker 7 (11:41):
See the line of the ball towards you.
Speaker 6 (11:43):
But it was the first time I'd ever faced serious pace,
and very different from Menville, where you got forward.
Speaker 7 (11:52):
No time for that.
Speaker 6 (11:54):
Yes, you remember Wadds, you lurched forward every time we
played you, but nothing like that against Barters. No, he
was a He was a and to look and watch
John Jr. Reid, the cat and of New Zealand at
a time, rubbing his hands, saying, beauty, we've got one
at last, and we can pay the other side back.
Speaker 7 (12:16):
They've got to watch out.
Speaker 6 (12:17):
They can't just bowl liberally bounces at us because we
got someone too.
Speaker 7 (12:22):
He loved.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Yeah, he was pretty sharp and I luckily he was
able to avoid him because I wasn't good enough to
get picked for any of those teams, so I never
had to face up. He could bat too, and thanks
to Francis Payne who put a little piece on Twitter recently,
he mentioned the ninety nine he scored for Central Back
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in nineteen sixty. He was stranded when Ian Cahun, who
was the wicket keeper, was run out. They'd had one
hundred and thirty three run partnership for the tenth wicket.
Gary Bartlett was eighteen and Francis Payne says the story
ended sadly for Blet. Cahun slipped and fell while going
for the run, which would have brought up Bartlet century.
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So oh dear he was the night one hundred. I'll
bet he got a few short ones in the nets,
say Coke, wouldn't he?
Speaker 6 (13:15):
Oh yeah, exactly that next week. I don't think i'd
have turned up. But yeah, well that's interesting. I'll remind
him of that when I go and see him in
a couple of weeks time.
Speaker 7 (13:28):
As I stand by the door about to go outside,
you know.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
It's yeah, yeah, ninety nine, not out. Moving on to
other things, Yes, the World Tea Tweaty is where we're at.
We've played Ta tweeties against India. As I mentioned previously,
we're not going to be playing them every game, but
we took a bit of a thumping for one a
good win in one of those matches. But are we
ready for the World T twenty Championship. We seem to
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have the batting lineup chasing two hundreds a hard task
and it seems as though two hundreds going to be
the requirement against sides like India anyway. But what about bowling?
Do we have the bowling to strit and take wickets?
Speaker 6 (14:10):
It's certainly you've highlighted the main point really about T twenty.
I mean the fact of it is is that that
batting totals now are pushing up two hundred and beyond,
even though it's a World Cup and there's more pressure on.
I think that's what we're going to see. If you
look and look at the top twenty twenty totals, six
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of the top seven have been posted since the last
World Cup in Barbados, and this one will be no exception.
I think, as long as the pictures are okay, but
the gears are.
Speaker 7 (14:44):
Changing, aren't they.
Speaker 6 (14:45):
The run rates are now between nine and eleven and above,
and India obviously had the likelihood of winning the tournament.
They are warm favorites, I would say, with players like
Abhishek Shama and Shivam Dubai in the middle order and
Syria Kumar is now refound his mojo. They've got spinners
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and cool Deeper Aksha Hotel. They've got the quicks Boomera
and USh Deep, and they've even got the car deckers.
Quite a crafty medium Seema as well and medium paces.
Speaker 7 (15:18):
So they're at home.
Speaker 6 (15:20):
All their games will be in India of Pakistan, don't attend.
India forced teams to go hard, right throughout their innings,
and I think you've got a bat first against them,
so that there's no high target in your mind. Teams
often like to bat second because they've got a target
to aim at, but boy, if that target's two seventy,
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you know, it's very difficult indeed, So otherwise you're forced
into a hitting contest, aren't you. So India are good
at that New Zealand New Zealand will I don't think
they will. I'd love to say they would make the Semis,
but I don't think they will. They're going to have
to play very well, and it's in the bowling department
they're going to have to improve, and our batting is
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still going to have to remain very strong and powerful
as well to even get there. You know, Duffy, Ferguson
Henry look like being the seam as I would say
Jamison being the fourth one there. If there's a bit
of bounce in the pitch, he might be considered a
bit more. They've obviously got Santana and they've got some
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part time spin with it, but our seamers aren't quite
the quality of Biommera and Rabada and Archer and those
kinds of bowlers. I don't think, not quite yet. Our
batting looks okay. See spinners again. Santner's a good spinner.
We've got to use the wide ball, the wide full ball,
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the wide slower ball, you know, judiciously at the right time.
And our batting with Alan and Steiford and Mitchell and Phillips.
Speaker 7 (16:58):
I don't know where Ravendra goes, if he's.
Speaker 6 (17:00):
There or not, or is it Chapman, Alan and Steiford
will open, but who is number three? There are some
missue around that, I think. So look, we need all
our batsmen. We have to betake our a game ones,
don't we We just have to play well, hatch well,
do everything well if we're going to make those simis.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
It's pretty hard to top what Jerry said there as usual,
we're aerodite and thoughtful. I think can trust the previous
World Cut, where our preparation was woeful, people were heading
home first and so on. I think you could have
you could not have better preparation than the one day
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series which they've had against and the five twenties against India,
the Barguay the best side. It certainly sets you up
as to know what you've got to do. Now, whether
we have got got it or not, it's hard to say.
But on your day in twenty twenty, yeah, if you've
got your a game and a little bit goes your way,
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you're a chance. I think we're a remote charts. I
think it's he says, the game against Afghanistan is probably
the key one because we're probably going to struggle against
South Africa, and I think the rest after that is
really well in the matter, in the lap of the gods.
Speaker 6 (18:22):
Now, that's interesting, Moose. You're absolutely right. I think about that.
I think people are getting used to rushing tarn a
bit more. But watch out for Noor Armor, that left
arm leg spinner. If he has a good tournament, he
could be a bit of a danger as well. I wonder, guys,
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I just throw you a question. I mean, does this
format need a tweak? I mean watching the bowlers and
how many sixers the batsmen are hitting nowadays twenty twenty
five in.
Speaker 7 (19:00):
An innings sixers?
Speaker 6 (19:03):
I mean, how can sides that are bowling get a
bit of respite. I don't know what you think, but
I wonder whether the powerplay needs to allow more outfielders
to give the bowlers a bit more of a go there.
I think a careful look perhaps at the wide what
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constitutes why they have played with it recently? I understand that,
but maybe that's another I just feel that it's gone
too much one way, I think, I mean, how many
sixers do we want to see? For heaven's sake?
Speaker 5 (19:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Well, I mean the result of the game is all
about batting, isn't it. The bowlers don't come into the
equation with why not?
Speaker 7 (19:51):
Why shouldn't bowlers come into it?
Speaker 3 (19:53):
I quite agree, But that's the way the game has
been set up, hasn't it? All they want is as
John Braceaw said last week, people heading homers all the time,
you know, like a game of baseball, and all of
this is just a whacking contest.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
Doesn't it. If you'd sort of said this two or
three years ago, I don't think we could have envisaged
quite the scale to which this is sort of accelerated
in terms of people just flonging it out of the park.
And it's really been literally in the last couple of years.
And is that because of the advent of the IPL
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and then the proliferation of these leagues where essentially you've
just got these specialists who that's what they do, but
at a certain point it does rather become a bit
same same, and I lament the fact that the ODI
is the One Day Internationals, the fifty over game isn't
getting the same attention with this seems to be far
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more nuanced in the in their game where you know
you've got time, whereas here in the twenty twenty it's
just in what's when we saw Australia playoffs and back
in October they just went for it from bought one,
big guys smashing it and it's kind of god, well, yeah,
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call me old score.
Speaker 7 (21:11):
Very shamey, isn't it, Moose, That's what That's.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
What I'm trying to say.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Yeah, yeah, that's the one thing I find difficult to
accept in the game. And it's not my favorite format
of the game, and it's because it is basically the
same right the way through. It doesn't have any technical
or chess like movements required. You've just got to be
able to make the ball go over the boundary hit
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the big sixers get their paycheck for hitting the biggest
six and a number of sixes and satch like as
went on in that Indian series, and there is a
sameness about every game. How many do you remember?
Speaker 6 (21:53):
Yeah, well, I just feel that the bowler is because
they start the cricket transaction. You know, they start first.
Now they've got a chance to do something to prevent that.
But that is becoming a smaller and smaller area. I
think you can either change your length, so you go
to yorkers.
Speaker 7 (22:11):
You can't get under those.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
They try to Batsmen try to go back in their
crease and deepen the crease of course, to try and
keep that then to a sort of a half volley,
but to get under it. But the bowler has got
a chance now whether they can get the ball to swing.
Speaker 7 (22:28):
How many white balls do they use in the T twenty?
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Now just one, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Just one?
Speaker 6 (22:33):
You can't have two either, because otherwise the ball just
stays harder and harder. Don't mind you Look, I don't
know about all that, but I mean, I'm just thinking
maybe bowlers have to be just more and more and
more accurate and confident in what they can do.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Yeah, I think there's a fair point in that, but
that's not going to change in the big hurry because
India rule roots when it comes to ICC decision making
and they're in charge of this tournament. It's also going
to be a tournament that will be hit by political intrigue.
Know whether that's finished it or not, we might be
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able to discuss that at another time. But the news
Ialanders have got, as has been pointed out in previous programs,
Shanistan in their first game UAE, they should be able
to beat UAE. It's not a given. Of course. South
Africa will be tough. They've just been beaten by India
and they've got Canada. Interesting point you maye Jerry was
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about Australia. They have taken a real thumping in Pakistan
yea in that series. I just wonder whether they've got
a side that and they're questioning that in Australia they've
got a side that is up to the standard that
they normally put out in tien twenties.
Speaker 6 (23:47):
Well, I still think you look at the history of
Australian size in World Cups and they know how to perform.
And that's why I would partially select them as still
a semi finalist at this stage.
Speaker 7 (24:03):
They just do it, don't they.
Speaker 6 (24:04):
And they've still got a lot of players there who
have been able to in the past where that doesn't
guarantee them for this, for this tournament. But I just
think they'll still be too strong for the likes of
Sri Lanka, for the likes of New Zealand.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
How to go past that, Jerry, I They they bring
talent and they they're habitual winners, aren't they. So you
can't count them out. But back to your point, Brian,
about the Pakistan and Bangladesh situation, it's it's sad that
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these things are happening. But and and of course other
countries aren't speaking out because you can't, can you, because
that's where they follow the money, as they.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Say, so adequately put it those and well, hang on, guys,
it's it's only a tweet at the stage, isn't it.
It's a tweet, yeah, from from the Pakistan government account.
It's not formal, it's not formal, but it's certainly it's
continuing a state of antipathy between the two, you know,
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India and Pakistan.
Speaker 7 (25:18):
I don't know, but I don't know that.
Speaker 6 (25:22):
But but Pakistan is saying that it's they want to
attend the tournament.
Speaker 7 (25:25):
It but it's selective opponents.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
Yes, yes, and surprise, surprise, we'll play everyone except India.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Yeah, and there's no security issues in Sri Lanka for
US except playing India in Sri Lanka and we'll play
all the other games that we're going to play there.
So I mean, yeah, well, there's double standards on both
sides all.
Speaker 7 (25:44):
Over the place.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
I don't know why they don't reinstate Bangladesh to take
Pakistan's place in Sri Lanka is.
Speaker 7 (25:52):
Anyway? I mean the the icy C.
Speaker 6 (25:55):
You know, they always put Pakistan and India in the
same group, don't they because it attracts a lot of
eyeballs and it makes a lot of.
Speaker 7 (26:03):
Money, that's yeah.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
But no other side in the tournament is making demands
of partial participation, are they. I mean Bangladesh, we're talking
about safety and security. Yeah, yes, and they are now
denied and incomes income Scotland. But I just I just think,
you know, obviously Pakistan want to make in their squirm
a bit and embarrassed and wound their pride that just
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giving a.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Little bit of tit for tat because they held the
Asia Cup and India wouldn't go in Pakistan to play
Pakistan in that country. Yeah, and so they had to
play at the you know, in the Emirates. But I
mean it's an issue of politics, not cricket. And that's
the worst part of it all, isn't it.
Speaker 7 (26:53):
Yes, it is it is. And they wouldn't shake hands,
would they.
Speaker 6 (26:56):
And they wouldn't go and receive the Cup India from
from Motion Narque, would they were? They just wouldn't go
and do that. So maybe it is a bit of that.
Maybe there's also a wee bit of you know, well,
certainly it will affect the distribution of money, Yes, from
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the ICC. They won't make as much money the ICC.
And and you've also got to look, I think the broadcaster,
is it Geo the broadcaster, I think they are. They'll
turn to the icy C and say, look, this is
this is your tournament, and our contracts is with you
that this is one of the games, and this contract
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therefore is compromised and we're out or we renegotiate, you know,
we use this match in order for us to televise
the Canadian you know, Canada versus UAE or it's only
versus Namibia, that kind of thing, you know, And the
distribution of ICC funds is going to be down. And paradoxically,
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it seems to me you're barring. That's what Pakistani trying
to do. They're trying to bar the one country by
not playing them they're the one country than fact that
they wish to injure. But it won't work because India
have got enough to survive of cash. It seems a
bit weird to me the whole thing in a way.
And my other concern was would be about associate nations.
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You know what happens now when we get less money
and Bangladesh get less money and Sri Lanka get less money,
what is that going to affect the punt of the
relationship between us with Pakistan's bilateral family. And the last
thing mass point I would make about it is that
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is it also a bit about them saying India, we're
a little bit tired of you being in charge and
making all the decisions and what we've got basically as
a shambles now going on in the world cricket where
we are going to pull this down a bit. We
(29:07):
are going to pull this down. We've got nothing to lose,
well weak enough anyway. I'm talking from a Pakistan point
of view there, even though we're full members, you know,
we want to pull this thing down and I'm afraid
India They're not gonna They're not going to concede, are
they to Pakistan.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
And it's lamentable, isn't it that it's that, it is
what it is. But the the the open wound that
is the war between India and Pakistan since the almost
the days of the partition in the late forties, it's
just festering away. And and as I think Jerry point
(29:48):
rightly points out it, it just has this has this
cascading effect on through throughout cricket and India won't care
of Pakistan is the victim here. They were not caring
the slightest And that's that is sad too, because of
all the great and wonderful cricketers that come out of Pakistan.
And it's just a pity. But it's not going to
(30:11):
stop anytime soon. And we're still going to have to
This is still still going to occur. I just think
that the people are always who are always at at the
bottom of all this, who will suffer are the spectators
and the players. And the players first, it's yeah, but
I can't see any other I can't see anything changing
(30:33):
anytime soon.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
No.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
The interesting thing is and many commentators have said the
most effective will be those completely reliant on revenues from
the ICC, not just the smaller and associate nations, but
the Western eastri Lanca, Bangladesh and Pakistan South Africa.
Speaker 6 (30:51):
Yeah, well they're getting better because of the SA twenty.
Speaker 7 (30:56):
It's still not a wealthy nation once.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
No, but they have the Indian money behind their twenty
twenty to twenty So that's where they're where they're playing basically,
and why they're not playing test matches until what twenty
twenty nine whatever. Actually, anyway, the game should come first,
said one political commentator. Free from boardroom influence, decisions aren't
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driven by power but by what's best for cricket globally.
Speaker 6 (31:28):
I just wonder if Pakistan they play Netherlands first on
the seventh, and then they play USA on the twelfth,
and then India third on the fifteenth and Namibia to finish.
But I wonder if they played the first two matches
as if they were going to stay at the tournament
(31:48):
Netherlands and USA, and then they pulled out and sent
the letter a formal letter to the ICC, then after
playing two games, wouldn't that bloody wreck the tournament?
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Well, It's going to be under pressure anyway, isn't it.
Speaker 7 (32:03):
So tell you what?
Speaker 6 (32:06):
That would really sort things out, wouldn't it if they
did that?
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Brian Waddle, Jeremy Cooney on the front foot.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
What about our New Zealand at T twenty? It's been
a constant theme through the summer. Did it cost the
chief Executive of New Zealand Creakulu's job? Does super Smash
now fit the domestic bill? Or is the call for
the bbl or our own T twenty league now going
to take some presidents. I'll start with my view that
you can dismiss to the refuse Tim if you're so inclined.
(32:36):
T twenty isn't my favorite format, as you know, but
I accept it's the way the game is funded. It's
a necessary evil, if I can say so. I spent
the summer watching my two teams, of course, the Blazes
and the Fibers. Happily celebrated another one for the Blaze
boy that was a finish and a half just care Yeah,
(32:57):
came out from the shadow of Sister Amelia. I also
enjoyed the way Northern dissected Canterbury in the men's final.
But I sort of feel a bit robbed. If we
have a T twenty, I want to see all our
best players doing what they do best in front of
our public. Attendance numbers were modest for that month of
(33:18):
cricket and the TV wasn't much better. We don't have
venues under lights. The T twenty window could be changed perhaps,
But are we just going to play lip service to
the quality and let all this and Sundery develop their
white belt scores in front of a mediocre crowd or
do we need to do something seriously? Now, it's a
(33:39):
subject we've spoken a fair bit about most and you know,
seeing the best players playing here. If we're going to
have a competition, that's what we've got to have, don't
we Yes.
Speaker 5 (33:50):
But I can also see the challenges being faced by
New Zealand cricket, and particularly this year with the twenty
twenty World Cup, in order to get decent preparation for
our teams, which pulled away a number of the players
across to India in that guards. I think their preparations,
as I have said earlier, has been really good and so
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you couldn't get around the fact that a lot of
our top players were away from it. But I've been
watching it from afar, I suppose the New Zealand twenty
twenty competition. And my observation is is that there's some
pretty good cricket being played. Quite why in January when
a lot of people are off, got time off, I
(34:34):
got time spare. We're not getting crowds. The just isn't
engagement there. And I heard I heard an interview on
a radio station with the Wellington coach. It's said Shane
Jurgensen and he and he sort of made an interesting observation.
(34:55):
He said, watching that Black Clash and the entertainment and
the crowds that pulled sort of spark something. And they said,
what is it that we're not doing that? A black
clash with a bunch of X rugby players and retired
cricketers can pull what they pull. And yet and yet
really good cricket's being played down the road and we're
getting at how to spectators? He asked the question. I
(35:19):
thought it was an interesting point. I mean, I never
watched that Black Cash, but it pulls a crowd. And
yet in Australia, when when the Stars play the Renegades,
they're pulling fifty thousand people to the g aren't they something.
There's something misconnect here, but in New Zealand and I
can't put my finger on it.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
It's marketing promotion, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
Yeah? But yeah, yeah, I think that's probably right. But
somehow Australia seems to have got it, got it better, better,
and people are more attuned to going to these to
these matches. It's kind of more in their psyche perhaps.
I mean other codes struggle to get crowds as well.
I mean the main code, Raby struggles to get people
(36:02):
to promential games. So it's it's it's not cricket alone,
it's an apathy for perhaps from New Zealand. We'reas Australians.
You know, they'll go and watch an AFL game happily
they used to it. Perhaps maybe maybe it's just a
psyche of New Zealanders here?
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Is it day and night cricket, Jerry? Is it the
fact that most of the games have been played today,
Some who have lights are playing and it's been played
under lights. But the conditions in New Zealand are not
as good as they are in Australia for going to
watch cricket under lights?
Speaker 5 (36:36):
Are they?
Speaker 6 (36:37):
No, it's it's that's look I just think, Look, it's
a great country to visit, New Zealand, but I mean,
we just can't pay marquee players enough. We would neither
either really have a big bash or get some other
owners and who can provide that, and then we lose
(37:02):
ownership of the teams and the names and the colors
and the marketing and all that sort of stuff. Not
that there appears to be that much marketing. The hours
of course, wouldn't be good to for the Northern Hemisphere
for television. Cricket's not our main sport in New Zealand.
We tend to be a very local and regionalized, I
(37:23):
think group, you know when games are taking place, I
don't know. I mean, how many grounds do have the lights?
I guess Auckland number one, but the shape of the ground.
Hamilton does have lights, doesn't it. Hagley does, but its
strict use of the lights only certain times of the
year and so many times. And what would it be
(37:46):
the stadium in Wellington? I don't know, but I can't
think of too many can't think of too many others.
I think trying to get another twenty twenty tournament here
in New Zealand, you know against already established. Others that
pay well well run SA twenty, Big Bash, lesser extent
(38:07):
Dubai all at the same time. So the competition for
the labor the players. When you take out the Indian
players because they are not allowed to, it's unlikely to
attract I think the name players you're talking about wads,
I don't I mean our New Zealand players.
Speaker 7 (38:28):
They're asked to do that.
Speaker 6 (38:29):
It's part of their contract, isn't it, But they don't
there they Therefore, all that would happen was that all
going for casual contracts. Yeah, and then and then we'd lose.
Then we'd lose more, you see, and New Zealand contracts
would then be held by lesser players. So I can't
see the answer other than you know, you start in
(38:54):
New Zealand. I think our tournament, as Moose mentions isn't
as bad as we think it is, and you will
have seen a lot more than I would have.
Speaker 7 (39:04):
Of twenty twenty.
Speaker 6 (39:05):
I think it's probably quite a reason it seems to
be doing the Actually, look at all our A sides.
Speaker 7 (39:11):
That have been coming along.
Speaker 6 (39:12):
Those are players that play in the T twenty league
as well. Isn't it the like of Hay and folks
and all those sorts of players. I just feel we
have to either get a place in the BBL or
and we offer that as something in our contract time.
Once we've done that, we can offer that as the
(39:33):
development for a player in T twenty a place in
the BBL side for New Zealand a place in the
MLC when they come on board as well in a
year or so.
Speaker 7 (39:44):
So the very good ones will specialize, won't they.
Speaker 6 (39:47):
The very good ones will say goodbye full day cricket, goodbye,
and they will.
Speaker 7 (39:52):
Go as they have.
Speaker 6 (39:53):
They'll play for themselves and they'll have five or six
different colored shirts that they wear in a year.
Speaker 7 (40:00):
That's their life.
Speaker 6 (40:02):
And you know, but as far as Otago and Wellington
and CD holding their top players for the love of
playing for the region, I think it's realistically unlikely in
these days.
Speaker 5 (40:16):
I think the times passed.
Speaker 7 (40:18):
Yeah, I do.
Speaker 5 (40:20):
We we're seeing it now, you know, you're Sie Fitz
and term Allen's. I mean they're going and playing in
Australia and doing well. I mean it's all on the Ferguson's.
Ferguson's and the Melons and all those. I mean, they
just goes on and on set, and there's been over there,
Mitchell's been over there.
Speaker 6 (40:38):
I mean, there's lots. All of them have a go
if they're good enough.
Speaker 5 (40:43):
Completely and well cout blame them because they are professional sportsman.
Speaker 7 (40:49):
And that's why we can't hold them here.
Speaker 5 (40:52):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
Just a final word. I was hoping to talk to
someone from the and the nineteen team, but they're still
getting back in dribs and drebs or the officials anyway.
But I got an email from Carl Morgan who was
interested in it, and he says, why do you think
our under nineteen batsmen struggle as badly as they have?
This team had guys who had runs in first class games?
(41:15):
Why didn't it carry over? Interesting question? They were up
against some pretty good crickets. I just wonder whether the
under nineteen tournaments nationally has gone a bit of ahead
of our under nineteen game.
Speaker 6 (41:28):
I think just the way the tournament worked out for
New Zealand in particular, meant that they couldn't ever develop
any rhythm about their game, was it? I mean, I
I'm sure they're feeling there and they're endearing kind of
(41:50):
feeling about the tournament. Well, we want to disappointment. They
won't say that, of course, but they had the weather
gods against them and during the group phase where they
hardly played, and so when they did play at Bulawayo,
they got a pitch that was recovering from rain the
previous night and the previous day, so the pitch turned
(42:13):
quite dramatically, that went up and down a little bit.
Speaker 7 (42:16):
You couldn't blame that, you know, the ground staff for
that either. They fielded very well.
Speaker 6 (42:22):
I thought they fielded as well as any side, but
their batting never got a rhythm to it. I mean
my grandson, for example, got he was about twenty not
out in ten overs and that was about his That
was about it until the last game of the group match.
The guy ready from Northern Districts. He's a good little player.
(42:45):
He hadn't batted at all until he got to that match.
So it's very difficult, I think, to make it a
definitive judgment about that whole tournament for them. They also
got a lot of illness. As it happens. They won't
make these excuses and neither should they. But the doctor
(43:08):
was so busy he used up all all his you know,
all his pills and all his lotions and potions and
ungjuants and all sorts of things. So they were playing
in the last match. They're only eleven are able to stand.
So so it was just like us going down to Pakistan.
(43:30):
The first eleven to breakfast, you're in and so I
I have a bit of sympathy for the team. I'd
have to say whether our batting that did look, I've
got to say not as powerful.
Speaker 7 (43:44):
I mean, even in the semis.
Speaker 6 (43:47):
I don't know how India not to play first the
first two matches before everybody else. Not only did they
have the first round match, they had their second round
match before anybody else in their group played the first
round match, and that didn't seem.
Speaker 7 (44:03):
Quite right to me.
Speaker 6 (44:05):
It's also they they've had this semifinal at Harari, and
they obviously played well. They played against Afghanistan. Afghanistan played
really well. I thought, three hundred and ten for four
in their fifty overs, damn good in his one guy
getting one hundred and then India got three hundred and
eleven for three in forty one overs.
Speaker 7 (44:27):
Goodness gracious. See.
Speaker 6 (44:28):
So it's just that they are a bit ahead of
us in terms of confidence and attack and the shots
that they play in the first Semi England two seventy
seven that was played at Bulaweo two seventy seven for
seven the guy ru quite well known from Sussex down
that area. I got one hundred and Australia two fifty beaten.
(44:52):
One guy got one hundred there as well. Olive folks
Folks on peaks was it there? I got a hundred
as well. So yeah, look, they were a little bit
better than us. They looked better than us, but they
had got a rhythm to their matches. They hadn't had
to sit out and watch their reign and watch their
form go up and smoke or down and rain. And
(45:14):
so I do feel a little bit a little bit
for the lads because they trained just as hard, they'd
played games, they had coaches there and all the help
that they could possibly get, and and it was just
taken away from them in a sense.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
Yeah, disappointing into a tournament for that, it was, Yeah,
but I think we can take heart from the fact
that we have some very good players in that level
that those players will head onto the New Zealand a
program in a short period of time over the development
and we've done pretty well with our a cricketers haven't
(45:53):
we had in recent times. So that's a that's an
encouraging area because there's a number already playing first class
cricket and there'll be a number that you know, will
we'll play in the very near future.
Speaker 7 (46:06):
Yep. They'll come through, Wads.
Speaker 6 (46:07):
They'll come through if they continue to work hard and
that matters to them that they do well and they'll
remember this trip and they will also take some pretty
i mean interior kind of things from it to say
that's not going to happen, you know. To me again,
I'm going to make the most of my innings and
I'm going to make the most of my spell and
(46:29):
I'm going to hold all the catchers because it matters
when I get the chance, and there's a privilege that
goes with it, you see, and that was removed from them,
and I think that that will if they are the
competitors you want, that will matter to them.
Speaker 5 (46:44):
I think it's a general observation. I'm quite buoyed by
the depth that New Zealand cricket seems to be having.
You know, players were called into the One day series
against India very little experience and still perform well. Our
A two is doing well, so I think the depth
(47:06):
and I think, Jerry is you're quite rightly pointed out
the down Lining tournament they didn't really get a fair
crack at it, and that needs to be sort of
judging on that basis. But I think broadly speaking, we've
got quite a lot of depth through our provincial scene
and I think it allus quite well. I just yeah,
(47:28):
I'm quite yep.
Speaker 3 (47:30):
Yeah, well there we are, Carl. There's the answer to
your question. I think of a fair assessment of what
was a difficult time for our under nineteen side, and
I guess they will learn lessons from that as well. Jens,
I hope you don't have too much political stuff shoved
at you through the World T twenty, but I've got
(47:51):
a funny feeling that politics is going to play a
bigger part in the early stages anyway than cricket as such.
So we'll just have to grin and bear it, so
to speak, and enjoy and I hope New Zealand is
capable of being able to win games against US downe
u AE, South Africa and Canada to advance to the
(48:12):
next stage. We will wait and see and watch with interest.
Speaker 7 (48:15):
Guys, all right, we'll listen.
Speaker 6 (48:18):
Leads, good to chat, yep, absolutely all right, we catch
another time mate, Yeah, all right, all the world fulties
of summering.
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it's a happy new year to Peter Holland even though
it is fevery moose. It's the first time we've spoken.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
And I'm all the better for it. Thank you, Brian, aren't.
Speaker 6 (01:50):
We all jered well for the gap that we for
the nice silence that you've had Moose.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
Well, yes, I'm leaving that door open for listeners to
try and themselves.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Yeah, well we sat on a sad note too, and Jerry,
both of you knew and played with Tony Pygott, who
passed away this week, just sixty seven years of age,
a man who had a bit of stomach cancer issue.
But he was in Australia for the Ashes recently and
seemed to be still involved heavily in cricket union pretty
(02:27):
well most well.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
I didn't know him very well and he played two
years for Wellington three and eighty four. In eighty three
in particular, Lester was outstanding, ran through a few sides Auckland.
I can remember vividly at Eden Park. He was a
damn damn good bowler, did well for one test. It
(02:51):
was an interesting time when we were playing, we being
willing to were playing CV at fitz Herbert Park and
Leicester as he was known this is eighty four, was
campaigning of Sheen's Blintz and apparently couldn't bowl, which was
and he was sitting sitting in the sheds. But a
call came through and those days I guess it was
(03:11):
a landline and Lester, I think a couple of their
quicks and the mcc or was at England in those days,
had fallen by the wayside and Lester got the call
all of a sudden, sprang out of his seat and chair,
his bag without even washing it and headed to christ
Church for his one test, postponed his wedding for a week,
(03:35):
and Julie Cave went down there I think, got a
couple of wickets and got thrashed by j Hadley to
all parts and England lost in three days. You were
you were part of that team.
Speaker 7 (03:47):
Jerry, Yeah, I was. I was moose.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
I'd first of all just have to confirm what you
said about Lester's performance for Wellington. He really put in
a sterling effort.
Speaker 7 (03:59):
Really right through those couple of years you could always
rely on and to running hard.
Speaker 6 (04:04):
And he had the ability to just sort of surprise
Batsman with a bit of extra pace too quick. So
he was a very handy pro in those days. Like
the good moan, like the.
Speaker 7 (04:16):
Good laugh, you know.
Speaker 6 (04:18):
And I can imagine him sitting there moaning about his
shin splints and how they were sore.
Speaker 7 (04:22):
And I can also imagine.
Speaker 6 (04:23):
Him how quickly they recovered, and and he headed down
south to get his mc c jersey as England jersey.
He loved that, very proud of it. You You were
actually best man. Weren't you at his wedding when it
finally occurred a week late?
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Yes, no, I was, and and I recall it. It
was slightly bizarre. It was on a Sunday, which was
an unusual day for a wedding. But who's to.
Speaker 7 (04:50):
Say, Oh, well he was religious.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Well he was a good Harrow boy of course. Yeah.
But no, I was the best man. I can't recall
what I had to say at the wedding and person
as the best man, but you know I was, yeah,
front center of that. I got to see Lefter a
little bit in the early days when he was playing
(05:14):
for Sussex submitted and I think you played him Jerry
at home when he was two about eighty Sex did
and he used to run down the hill and he
was pretty quick at times or could be.
Speaker 7 (05:29):
Oh he could surprise you.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
So he was his wicket.
Speaker 6 (05:33):
Yeah, I was one of his wickets in the christ
Church Test match. In fact, he got me and Brucie,
both his teammates from Wellington.
Speaker 7 (05:40):
Brucey Edgar out.
Speaker 6 (05:44):
Yeah, we felt sorry for him, but then Richard didn't
and he came out and got a very quick ninety
yard I think, and and the game went downhill for
England from there on really. But yeah, he played a
Test match and he was a very as I say,
a very worthy kind of and a good bowler too.
Speaker 7 (06:07):
Wads really tired, you know.
Speaker 6 (06:09):
Quick outswinger could surprise you with pace too. So we'll
miss Leicester Lester I used to see at Sussex when
I'd go down to see him there and he'd be
he'd be there watching the game or coaching or involved
in some way.
Speaker 7 (06:26):
And just just a good cricket man. You know, we'll
miss him.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
It was very interesting to see and know Leicester and
what it meant for him to play a Test. Contrast
that about thirty years later when I when I'm seeing
a waning medium medium pace bowler with the name of
Tim Salvey taking for granted and deciding when he would
finish his test career. Big contrast there, and I'm still
(06:52):
not forgiven Saldi for stealing a few tests when probably
Duffy would have been a much better option. But anyway,
I've had them say, and I'll.
Speaker 6 (06:59):
Yeah, you're becoming all controversial, controversial now most since you've
gone to Bloody Auckland's.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Becoming ever Yeah, yeah, point made, and no problem with that.
So yeah, a likable guy. Leicester py Got none as
Leicester for the for the obvious reason his name was
spelt Pickett but pronounced py Got on a happier note.
Somebody you both know pretty well too, turned eighty five
(07:28):
this week. Gary Bartlett, regarded as the quickest bowler in
New Zealand at the time, probably still would rates there
as one of the top quickies. Jerry, you would have
faced them. I don't know about you, Mors. She might
have paired up a couple of times.
Speaker 7 (07:44):
He was sharp.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
I don't know whether you've read that little book called
Common Across the Sky or something like that, isn't it
By Bill Francis, but he was he was lightning coming
out to play at Harnton Park with no sight screen
behind him. I remember actually first arriving and I didn't
(08:07):
I couldn't he the keeper or the slips are tall.
Speaker 7 (08:11):
I thought, what is he?
Speaker 6 (08:13):
Just bowling straight and very full, but they were so
far back I've never seen that.
Speaker 7 (08:20):
They were virtually on the boundary at Haughton.
Speaker 6 (08:22):
Park and that that delivery he bowled, I've got to
say at the hut Valley and he used to play
in the Hawke Cup of course for Marlborough.
Speaker 7 (08:34):
And it bounced that he bowled delivery.
Speaker 6 (08:36):
It bounced once before it went over the boundary for
six over the keeper's head at hut Wreck and that
was quite a slow kind of you know, lazy picture
in those days. And the one thing I do remember
about Bob since and I may have said it to
and I'm sorry to listeners if they've heard it before,
but Bob Simpson, the Australian wicket keeper, sorry, the Australian opener,
(09:03):
had was asked a question once and he said they
asked him he was the fastest bowler you ever faced,
and there was a silence from said, well, actually he said,
not many ever. Your listeners might know this name. But
it was a man called Gary Bartlet from New Zealand.
And I faced him at Puki Koura Park one afternoon.
(09:26):
It was like lightning facing them and he was he
was like that, and Gary remembered that when I spoke
to him and said, oh, I had him jump and
Jerry that day, he just he loved the whole idea.
I saw Barters two weeks ago. He's in the old home.
I was going to see my cousin Mike Crump, who's
(09:50):
the Coney patriarch now, and he's in the next door
room to Michael Crump, and there was Barter's. I saw
his name on the door as I walked past, and
so I knocked on it when I'd said goodbye to
Mike Crump and went in and Gary and I spent
about half an hour and there he had no shoes
on his feet.
Speaker 7 (10:09):
They were they were not looking in good shape, but he.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
Himself was and he's he's still he always was quite
a young looking man and still is. And he just
lay back on his bed and we had a good
chat about cricket. He's still up with the play a
bit so it was good to see him, and I'll
pop and see him in the future as well, when
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I go and see them both.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
I never played him, no, no, and I'm actually rather
pleased I didn't, But I do remember some of Jerry's
stories because Wellington used to play like a pre pre
season match and you'd go down to Haughton Park, wouldn't you, Jerry,
and I think there were a lot of people were
looking for cover.
Speaker 6 (10:54):
I record, oh, mate, I was down at number six,
so just a kid from Onslow hadn't played for Wellington,
thought gee, this will be great.
Speaker 7 (11:03):
Never heard of Bartlet and.
Speaker 6 (11:07):
Down at six as I say, and number three would
be locked in the toilet. We used to change on
a little corrugated iron hut up on a little mound
at one end of the ground, and number four was
missing shopping, number five was visiting an auntie, and so
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suddenly you were at number three and it was a
nightmare no one wanted to face, and no one once
you saw the pace, very hard to pick up the
links because you'd.
Speaker 7 (11:41):
See the line of the ball towards you.
Speaker 6 (11:43):
But it was the first time I'd ever faced serious pace,
and very different from Menville, where you got forward.
Speaker 7 (11:52):
No time for that.
Speaker 6 (11:54):
Yes, you remember Wadds, you lurched forward every time we
played you, but nothing like that against Barters. No, he
was a He was a and to look and watch
John Jr. Reid, the cat and of New Zealand at
a time, rubbing his hands, saying, beauty, we've got one
at last, and we can pay the other side back.
Speaker 7 (12:16):
They've got to watch out.
Speaker 6 (12:17):
They can't just bowl liberally bounces at us because we
got someone too.
Speaker 7 (12:22):
He loved.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Yeah, he was pretty sharp and I luckily he was
able to avoid him because I wasn't good enough to
get picked for any of those teams, so I never
had to face up. He could bat too, and thanks
to Francis Payne who put a little piece on Twitter recently,
he mentioned the ninety nine he scored for Central Back
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in nineteen sixty. He was stranded when Ian Cahun, who
was the wicket keeper, was run out. They'd had one
hundred and thirty three run partnership for the tenth wicket.
Gary Bartlett was eighteen and Francis Payne says the story
ended sadly for Blet. Cahun slipped and fell while going
for the run, which would have brought up Bartlet century.
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So oh dear he was the night one hundred. I'll
bet he got a few short ones in the nets,
say Coke, wouldn't he?
Speaker 6 (13:15):
Oh yeah, exactly that next week. I don't think i'd
have turned up. But yeah, well that's interesting. I'll remind
him of that when I go and see him in
a couple of weeks time.
Speaker 7 (13:28):
As I stand by the door about to go outside,
you know.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
It's yeah, yeah, ninety nine, not out. Moving on to
other things, Yes, the World Tea Tweaty is where we're at.
We've played Ta tweeties against India. As I mentioned previously,
we're not going to be playing them every game, but
we took a bit of a thumping for one a
good win in one of those matches. But are we
ready for the World T twenty Championship. We seem to
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have the batting lineup chasing two hundreds a hard task
and it seems as though two hundreds going to be
the requirement against sides like India anyway. But what about bowling?
Do we have the bowling to strit and take wickets?
Speaker 6 (14:10):
It's certainly you've highlighted the main point really about T twenty.
I mean the fact of it is is that that
batting totals now are pushing up two hundred and beyond,
even though it's a World Cup and there's more pressure on.
I think that's what we're going to see. If you
look and look at the top twenty twenty totals, six
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of the top seven have been posted since the last
World Cup in Barbados, and this one will be no exception.
I think, as long as the pictures are okay, but
the gears are.
Speaker 7 (14:44):
Changing, aren't they.
Speaker 6 (14:45):
The run rates are now between nine and eleven and above,
and India obviously had the likelihood of winning the tournament.
They are warm favorites, I would say, with players like
Abhishek Shama and Shivam Dubai in the middle order and
Syria Kumar is now refound his mojo. They've got spinners
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and cool Deeper Aksha Hotel. They've got the quicks Boomera
and USh Deep, and they've even got the car deckers.
Quite a crafty medium Seema as well and medium paces.
Speaker 7 (15:18):
So they're at home.
Speaker 6 (15:20):
All their games will be in India of Pakistan, don't attend.
India forced teams to go hard, right throughout their innings,
and I think you've got a bat first against them,
so that there's no high target in your mind. Teams
often like to bat second because they've got a target
to aim at, but boy, if that target's two seventy,
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you know, it's very difficult indeed, So otherwise you're forced
into a hitting contest, aren't you. So India are good
at that New Zealand New Zealand will I don't think
they will. I'd love to say they would make the Semis,
but I don't think they will. They're going to have
to play very well, and it's in the bowling department
they're going to have to improve, and our batting is
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still going to have to remain very strong and powerful
as well to even get there. You know, Duffy, Ferguson
Henry look like being the seam as I would say
Jamison being the fourth one there. If there's a bit
of bounce in the pitch, he might be considered a
bit more. They've obviously got Santana and they've got some
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part time spin with it, but our seamers aren't quite
the quality of Biommera and Rabada and Archer and those
kinds of bowlers. I don't think, not quite yet. Our
batting looks okay. See spinners again. Santner's a good spinner.
We've got to use the wide ball, the wide full ball,
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the wide slower ball, you know, judiciously at the right time.
And our batting with Alan and Steiford and Mitchell and Phillips.
Speaker 7 (16:58):
I don't know where Ravendra goes, if he's.
Speaker 6 (17:00):
There or not, or is it Chapman, Alan and Steiford
will open, but who is number three? There are some
missue around that, I think. So look, we need all
our batsmen. We have to betake our a game ones,
don't we We just have to play well, hatch well,
do everything well if we're going to make those simis.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
It's pretty hard to top what Jerry said there as usual,
we're aerodite and thoughtful. I think can trust the previous
World Cut, where our preparation was woeful, people were heading
home first and so on. I think you could have
you could not have better preparation than the one day
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series which they've had against and the five twenties against India,
the Barguay the best side. It certainly sets you up
as to know what you've got to do. Now, whether
we have got got it or not, it's hard to say.
But on your day in twenty twenty, yeah, if you've
got your a game and a little bit goes your way,
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you're a chance. I think we're a remote charts. I
think it's he says, the game against Afghanistan is probably
the key one because we're probably going to struggle against
South Africa, and I think the rest after that is
really well in the matter, in the lap of the gods.
Speaker 6 (18:22):
Now, that's interesting, Moose. You're absolutely right. I think about that.
I think people are getting used to rushing tarn a
bit more. But watch out for Noor Armor, that left
arm leg spinner. If he has a good tournament, he
could be a bit of a danger as well. I wonder, guys,
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I just throw you a question. I mean, does this
format need a tweak? I mean watching the bowlers and
how many sixers the batsmen are hitting nowadays twenty twenty
five in.
Speaker 7 (19:00):
An innings sixers?
Speaker 6 (19:03):
I mean, how can sides that are bowling get a
bit of respite. I don't know what you think, but
I wonder whether the powerplay needs to allow more outfielders
to give the bowlers a bit more of a go there.
I think a careful look perhaps at the wide what
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constitutes why they have played with it recently? I understand that,
but maybe that's another I just feel that it's gone
too much one way, I think, I mean, how many
sixers do we want to see? For heaven's sake?
Speaker 5 (19:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Well, I mean the result of the game is all
about batting, isn't it. The bowlers don't come into the
equation with why not?
Speaker 7 (19:51):
Why shouldn't bowlers come into it?
Speaker 3 (19:53):
I quite agree, But that's the way the game has
been set up, hasn't it? All they want is as
John Braceaw said last week, people heading homers all the time,
you know, like a game of baseball, and all of
this is just a whacking contest.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
Doesn't it. If you'd sort of said this two or
three years ago, I don't think we could have envisaged
quite the scale to which this is sort of accelerated
in terms of people just flonging it out of the park.
And it's really been literally in the last couple of years.
And is that because of the advent of the IPL
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and then the proliferation of these leagues where essentially you've
just got these specialists who that's what they do, but
at a certain point it does rather become a bit
same same, and I lament the fact that the ODI
is the One Day Internationals, the fifty over game isn't
getting the same attention with this seems to be far
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more nuanced in the in their game where you know
you've got time, whereas here in the twenty twenty it's
just in what's when we saw Australia playoffs and back
in October they just went for it from bought one,
big guys smashing it and it's kind of god, well, yeah,
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call me old score.
Speaker 7 (21:11):
Very shamey, isn't it, Moose, That's what That's.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
What I'm trying to say.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Yeah, yeah, that's the one thing I find difficult to
accept in the game. And it's not my favorite format
of the game, and it's because it is basically the
same right the way through. It doesn't have any technical
or chess like movements required. You've just got to be
able to make the ball go over the boundary hit
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the big sixers get their paycheck for hitting the biggest
six and a number of sixes and satch like as
went on in that Indian series, and there is a
sameness about every game. How many do you remember?
Speaker 6 (21:53):
Yeah, well, I just feel that the bowler is because
they start the cricket transaction. You know, they start first.
Now they've got a chance to do something to prevent that.
But that is becoming a smaller and smaller area. I
think you can either change your length, so you go
to yorkers.
Speaker 7 (22:11):
You can't get under those.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
They try to Batsmen try to go back in their
crease and deepen the crease of course, to try and
keep that then to a sort of a half volley,
but to get under it. But the bowler has got
a chance now whether they can get the ball to swing.
Speaker 7 (22:28):
How many white balls do they use in the T twenty?
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Now just one, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Just one?
Speaker 6 (22:33):
You can't have two either, because otherwise the ball just
stays harder and harder. Don't mind you Look, I don't
know about all that, but I mean, I'm just thinking
maybe bowlers have to be just more and more and
more accurate and confident in what they can do.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Yeah, I think there's a fair point in that, but
that's not going to change in the big hurry because
India rule roots when it comes to ICC decision making
and they're in charge of this tournament. It's also going
to be a tournament that will be hit by political intrigue.
Know whether that's finished it or not, we might be
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able to discuss that at another time. But the news
Ialanders have got, as has been pointed out in previous programs,
Shanistan in their first game UAE, they should be able
to beat UAE. It's not a given. Of course. South
Africa will be tough. They've just been beaten by India
and they've got Canada. Interesting point you maye Jerry was
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about Australia. They have taken a real thumping in Pakistan
yea in that series. I just wonder whether they've got
a side that and they're questioning that in Australia they've
got a side that is up to the standard that
they normally put out in tien twenties.
Speaker 6 (23:47):
Well, I still think you look at the history of
Australian size in World Cups and they know how to perform.
And that's why I would partially select them as still
a semi finalist at this stage.
Speaker 7 (24:03):
They just do it, don't they.
Speaker 6 (24:04):
And they've still got a lot of players there who
have been able to in the past where that doesn't
guarantee them for this, for this tournament. But I just
think they'll still be too strong for the likes of
Sri Lanka, for the likes of New Zealand.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
How to go past that, Jerry, I They they bring
talent and they they're habitual winners, aren't they. So you
can't count them out. But back to your point, Brian,
about the Pakistan and Bangladesh situation, it's it's sad that
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these things are happening. But and and of course other
countries aren't speaking out because you can't, can you, because
that's where they follow the money, as they.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Say, so adequately put it those and well, hang on, guys,
it's it's only a tweet at the stage, isn't it.
It's a tweet, yeah, from from the Pakistan government account.
It's not formal, it's not formal, but it's certainly it's
continuing a state of antipathy between the two, you know,
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India and Pakistan.
Speaker 7 (25:18):
I don't know, but I don't know that.
Speaker 6 (25:22):
But but Pakistan is saying that it's they want to
attend the tournament.
Speaker 7 (25:25):
It but it's selective opponents.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
Yes, yes, and surprise, surprise, we'll play everyone except India.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Yeah, and there's no security issues in Sri Lanka for
US except playing India in Sri Lanka and we'll play
all the other games that we're going to play there.
So I mean, yeah, well, there's double standards on both
sides all.
Speaker 7 (25:44):
Over the place.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
I don't know why they don't reinstate Bangladesh to take
Pakistan's place in Sri Lanka is.
Speaker 7 (25:52):
Anyway? I mean the the icy C.
Speaker 6 (25:55):
You know, they always put Pakistan and India in the
same group, don't they because it attracts a lot of
eyeballs and it makes a lot of.
Speaker 7 (26:03):
Money, that's yeah.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
But no other side in the tournament is making demands
of partial participation, are they. I mean Bangladesh, we're talking
about safety and security. Yeah, yes, and they are now
denied and incomes income Scotland. But I just I just think,
you know, obviously Pakistan want to make in their squirm
a bit and embarrassed and wound their pride that just
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giving a.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Little bit of tit for tat because they held the
Asia Cup and India wouldn't go in Pakistan to play
Pakistan in that country. Yeah, and so they had to
play at the you know, in the Emirates. But I
mean it's an issue of politics, not cricket. And that's
the worst part of it all, isn't it.
Speaker 7 (26:53):
Yes, it is it is. And they wouldn't shake hands,
would they.
Speaker 6 (26:56):
And they wouldn't go and receive the Cup India from
from Motion Narque, would they were? They just wouldn't go
and do that. So maybe it is a bit of that.
Maybe there's also a wee bit of you know, well,
certainly it will affect the distribution of money, Yes, from
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the ICC. They won't make as much money the ICC.
And and you've also got to look, I think the broadcaster,
is it Geo the broadcaster, I think they are. They'll
turn to the icy C and say, look, this is
this is your tournament, and our contracts is with you
that this is one of the games, and this contract
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therefore is compromised and we're out or we renegotiate, you know,
we use this match in order for us to televise
the Canadian you know, Canada versus UAE or it's only
versus Namibia, that kind of thing, you know, And the
distribution of ICC funds is going to be down. And paradoxically,
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it seems to me you're barring. That's what Pakistani trying
to do. They're trying to bar the one country by
not playing them they're the one country than fact that
they wish to injure. But it won't work because India
have got enough to survive of cash. It seems a
bit weird to me the whole thing in a way.
And my other concern was would be about associate nations.
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You know what happens now when we get less money
and Bangladesh get less money and Sri Lanka get less money,
what is that going to affect the punt of the
relationship between us with Pakistan's bilateral family. And the last
thing mass point I would make about it is that
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is it also a bit about them saying India, we're
a little bit tired of you being in charge and
making all the decisions and what we've got basically as
a shambles now going on in the world cricket where
we are going to pull this down a bit. We
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are going to pull this down. We've got nothing to lose,
well weak enough anyway. I'm talking from a Pakistan point
of view there, even though we're full members, you know,
we want to pull this thing down and I'm afraid
India They're not gonna They're not going to concede, are
they to Pakistan.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
And it's lamentable, isn't it that it's that, it is
what it is. But the the the open wound that
is the war between India and Pakistan since the almost
the days of the partition in the late forties, it's
just festering away. And and as I think Jerry point
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rightly points out it, it just has this has this
cascading effect on through throughout cricket and India won't care
of Pakistan is the victim here. They were not caring
the slightest And that's that is sad too, because of
all the great and wonderful cricketers that come out of Pakistan.
And it's just a pity. But it's not going to
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stop anytime soon. And we're still going to have to
This is still still going to occur. I just think
that the people are always who are always at at the
bottom of all this, who will suffer are the spectators
and the players. And the players first, it's yeah, but
I can't see any other I can't see anything changing
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anytime soon.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
No.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
The interesting thing is and many commentators have said the
most effective will be those completely reliant on revenues from
the ICC, not just the smaller and associate nations, but
the Western eastri Lanca, Bangladesh and Pakistan South Africa.
Speaker 6 (30:51):
Yeah, well they're getting better because of the SA twenty.
Speaker 7 (30:56):
It's still not a wealthy nation once.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
No, but they have the Indian money behind their twenty
twenty to twenty So that's where they're where they're playing basically,
and why they're not playing test matches until what twenty
twenty nine whatever. Actually, anyway, the game should come first,
said one political commentator. Free from boardroom influence, decisions aren't
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driven by power but by what's best for cricket globally.
Speaker 6 (31:28):
I just wonder if Pakistan they play Netherlands first on
the seventh, and then they play USA on the twelfth,
and then India third on the fifteenth and Namibia to finish.
But I wonder if they played the first two matches
as if they were going to stay at the tournament
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Netherlands and USA, and then they pulled out and sent
the letter a formal letter to the ICC, then after
playing two games, wouldn't that bloody wreck the tournament?
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Well, It's going to be under pressure anyway, isn't it.
Speaker 7 (32:03):
So tell you what?
Speaker 6 (32:06):
That would really sort things out, wouldn't it if they
did that?
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Brian Waddle, Jeremy Cooney on the front foot.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
What about our New Zealand at T twenty? It's been
a constant theme through the summer. Did it cost the
chief Executive of New Zealand Creakulu's job? Does super Smash
now fit the domestic bill? Or is the call for
the bbl or our own T twenty league now going
to take some presidents. I'll start with my view that
you can dismiss to the refuse Tim if you're so inclined.
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T twenty isn't my favorite format, as you know, but
I accept it's the way the game is funded. It's
a necessary evil, if I can say so. I spent
the summer watching my two teams, of course, the Blazes
and the Fibers. Happily celebrated another one for the Blaze
boy that was a finish and a half just care Yeah,
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came out from the shadow of Sister Amelia. I also
enjoyed the way Northern dissected Canterbury in the men's final.
But I sort of feel a bit robbed. If we
have a T twenty, I want to see all our
best players doing what they do best in front of
our public. Attendance numbers were modest for that month of
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cricket and the TV wasn't much better. We don't have
venues under lights. The T twenty window could be changed perhaps,
But are we just going to play lip service to
the quality and let all this and Sundery develop their
white belt scores in front of a mediocre crowd or
do we need to do something seriously? Now, it's a
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subject we've spoken a fair bit about most and you know,
seeing the best players playing here. If we're going to
have a competition, that's what we've got to have, don't
we Yes.
Speaker 5 (33:50):
But I can also see the challenges being faced by
New Zealand cricket, and particularly this year with the twenty
twenty World Cup, in order to get decent preparation for
our teams, which pulled away a number of the players
across to India in that guards. I think their preparations,
as I have said earlier, has been really good and so
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you couldn't get around the fact that a lot of
our top players were away from it. But I've been
watching it from afar, I suppose the New Zealand twenty
twenty competition. And my observation is is that there's some
pretty good cricket being played. Quite why in January when
a lot of people are off, got time off, I
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got time spare. We're not getting crowds. The just isn't
engagement there. And I heard I heard an interview on
a radio station with the Wellington coach. It's said Shane
Jurgensen and he and he sort of made an interesting observation.
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He said, watching that Black Clash and the entertainment and
the crowds that pulled sort of spark something. And they said,
what is it that we're not doing that? A black
clash with a bunch of X rugby players and retired
cricketers can pull what they pull. And yet and yet
really good cricket's being played down the road and we're
getting at how to spectators? He asked the question. I
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thought it was an interesting point. I mean, I never
watched that Black Cash, but it pulls a crowd. And
yet in Australia, when when the Stars play the Renegades,
they're pulling fifty thousand people to the g aren't they something.
There's something misconnect here, but in New Zealand and I
can't put my finger on it.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
It's marketing promotion, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
Yeah? But yeah, yeah, I think that's probably right. But
somehow Australia seems to have got it, got it better, better,
and people are more attuned to going to these to
these matches. It's kind of more in their psyche perhaps.
I mean other codes struggle to get crowds as well.
I mean the main code, Raby struggles to get people
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to promential games. So it's it's it's not cricket alone,
it's an apathy for perhaps from New Zealand. We'reas Australians.
You know, they'll go and watch an AFL game happily
they used to it. Perhaps maybe maybe it's just a
psyche of New Zealanders here?
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Is it day and night cricket, Jerry? Is it the
fact that most of the games have been played today,
Some who have lights are playing and it's been played
under lights. But the conditions in New Zealand are not
as good as they are in Australia for going to
watch cricket under lights?
Speaker 5 (36:36):
Are they?
Speaker 6 (36:37):
No, it's it's that's look I just think, Look, it's
a great country to visit, New Zealand, but I mean,
we just can't pay marquee players enough. We would neither
either really have a big bash or get some other
owners and who can provide that, and then we lose
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ownership of the teams and the names and the colors
and the marketing and all that sort of stuff. Not
that there appears to be that much marketing. The hours
of course, wouldn't be good to for the Northern Hemisphere
for television. Cricket's not our main sport in New Zealand.
We tend to be a very local and regionalized, I
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think group, you know when games are taking place, I
don't know. I mean, how many grounds do have the lights?
I guess Auckland number one, but the shape of the ground.
Hamilton does have lights, doesn't it. Hagley does, but its
strict use of the lights only certain times of the
year and so many times. And what would it be
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the stadium in Wellington? I don't know, but I can't
think of too many can't think of too many others.
I think trying to get another twenty twenty tournament here
in New Zealand, you know against already established. Others that
pay well well run SA twenty, Big Bash, lesser extent
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Dubai all at the same time. So the competition for
the labor the players. When you take out the Indian
players because they are not allowed to, it's unlikely to
attract I think the name players you're talking about wads,
I don't I mean our New Zealand players.
Speaker 7 (38:28):
They're asked to do that.
Speaker 6 (38:29):
It's part of their contract, isn't it, But they don't
there they Therefore, all that would happen was that all
going for casual contracts. Yeah, and then and then we'd lose.
Then we'd lose more, you see, and New Zealand contracts
would then be held by lesser players. So I can't
see the answer other than you know, you start in
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New Zealand. I think our tournament, as Moose mentions isn't
as bad as we think it is, and you will
have seen a lot more than I would have.
Speaker 7 (39:04):
Of twenty twenty.
Speaker 6 (39:05):
I think it's probably quite a reason it seems to
be doing the Actually, look at all our A sides.
Speaker 7 (39:11):
That have been coming along.
Speaker 6 (39:12):
Those are players that play in the T twenty league
as well. Isn't it the like of Hay and folks
and all those sorts of players. I just feel we
have to either get a place in the BBL or
and we offer that as something in our contract time.
Once we've done that, we can offer that as the
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development for a player in T twenty a place in
the BBL side for New Zealand a place in the
MLC when they come on board as well in a
year or so.
Speaker 7 (39:44):
So the very good ones will specialize, won't they.
Speaker 6 (39:47):
The very good ones will say goodbye full day cricket, goodbye,
and they will.
Speaker 7 (39:52):
Go as they have.
Speaker 6 (39:53):
They'll play for themselves and they'll have five or six
different colored shirts that they wear in a year.
Speaker 7 (40:00):
That's their life.
Speaker 6 (40:02):
And you know, but as far as Otago and Wellington
and CD holding their top players for the love of
playing for the region, I think it's realistically unlikely in
these days.
Speaker 5 (40:16):
I think the times passed.
Speaker 7 (40:18):
Yeah, I do.
Speaker 5 (40:20):
We we're seeing it now, you know, you're Sie Fitz
and term Allen's. I mean they're going and playing in
Australia and doing well. I mean it's all on the Ferguson's.
Ferguson's and the Melons and all those. I mean, they
just goes on and on set, and there's been over there,
Mitchell's been over there.
Speaker 6 (40:38):
I mean, there's lots. All of them have a go
if they're good enough.
Speaker 5 (40:43):
Completely and well cout blame them because they are professional sportsman.
Speaker 7 (40:49):
And that's why we can't hold them here.
Speaker 5 (40:52):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
Just a final word. I was hoping to talk to
someone from the and the nineteen team, but they're still
getting back in dribs and drebs or the officials anyway.
But I got an email from Carl Morgan who was
interested in it, and he says, why do you think
our under nineteen batsmen struggle as badly as they have?
This team had guys who had runs in first class games?
(41:15):
Why didn't it carry over? Interesting question? They were up
against some pretty good crickets. I just wonder whether the
under nineteen tournaments nationally has gone a bit of ahead
of our under nineteen game.
Speaker 6 (41:28):
I think just the way the tournament worked out for
New Zealand in particular, meant that they couldn't ever develop
any rhythm about their game, was it? I mean, I
I'm sure they're feeling there and they're endearing kind of
(41:50):
feeling about the tournament. Well, we want to disappointment. They
won't say that, of course, but they had the weather
gods against them and during the group phase where they
hardly played, and so when they did play at Bulawayo,
they got a pitch that was recovering from rain the
previous night and the previous day, so the pitch turned
(42:13):
quite dramatically, that went up and down a little bit.
Speaker 7 (42:16):
You couldn't blame that, you know, the ground staff for
that either. They fielded very well.
Speaker 6 (42:22):
I thought they fielded as well as any side, but
their batting never got a rhythm to it. I mean
my grandson, for example, got he was about twenty not
out in ten overs and that was about his That
was about it until the last game of the group match.
The guy ready from Northern Districts. He's a good little player.
(42:45):
He hadn't batted at all until he got to that match.
So it's very difficult, I think, to make it a
definitive judgment about that whole tournament for them. They also
got a lot of illness. As it happens. They won't
make these excuses and neither should they. But the doctor
(43:08):
was so busy he used up all all his you know,
all his pills and all his lotions and potions and
ungjuants and all sorts of things. So they were playing
in the last match. They're only eleven are able to stand.
So so it was just like us going down to Pakistan.
(43:30):
The first eleven to breakfast, you're in and so I
I have a bit of sympathy for the team. I'd
have to say whether our batting that did look, I've
got to say not as powerful.
Speaker 7 (43:44):
I mean, even in the semis.
Speaker 6 (43:47):
I don't know how India not to play first the
first two matches before everybody else. Not only did they
have the first round match, they had their second round
match before anybody else in their group played the first
round match, and that didn't seem.
Speaker 7 (44:03):
Quite right to me.
Speaker 6 (44:05):
It's also they they've had this semifinal at Harari, and
they obviously played well. They played against Afghanistan. Afghanistan played
really well. I thought, three hundred and ten for four
in their fifty overs, damn good in his one guy
getting one hundred and then India got three hundred and
eleven for three in forty one overs.
Speaker 7 (44:27):
Goodness gracious. See.
Speaker 6 (44:28):
So it's just that they are a bit ahead of
us in terms of confidence and attack and the shots
that they play in the first Semi England two seventy
seven that was played at Bulaweo two seventy seven for
seven the guy ru quite well known from Sussex down
that area. I got one hundred and Australia two fifty beaten.
(44:52):
One guy got one hundred there as well. Olive folks
Folks on peaks was it there? I got a hundred
as well. So yeah, look, they were a little bit
better than us. They looked better than us, but they
had got a rhythm to their matches. They hadn't had
to sit out and watch their reign and watch their
form go up and smoke or down and rain. And
(45:14):
so I do feel a little bit a little bit
for the lads because they trained just as hard, they'd
played games, they had coaches there and all the help
that they could possibly get, and and it was just
taken away from them in a sense.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
Yeah, disappointing into a tournament for that, it was, Yeah,
but I think we can take heart from the fact
that we have some very good players in that level
that those players will head onto the New Zealand a
program in a short period of time over the development
and we've done pretty well with our a cricketers haven't
(45:53):
we had in recent times. So that's a that's an
encouraging area because there's a number already playing first class
cricket and there'll be a number that you know, will
we'll play in the very near future.
Speaker 7 (46:06):
Yep. They'll come through, Wads.
Speaker 6 (46:07):
They'll come through if they continue to work hard and
that matters to them that they do well and they'll
remember this trip and they will also take some pretty
i mean interior kind of things from it to say
that's not going to happen, you know. To me again,
I'm going to make the most of my innings and
I'm going to make the most of my spell and
(46:29):
I'm going to hold all the catchers because it matters
when I get the chance, and there's a privilege that
goes with it, you see, and that was removed from them,
and I think that that will if they are the
competitors you want, that will matter to them.
Speaker 5 (46:44):
I think it's a general observation. I'm quite buoyed by
the depth that New Zealand cricket seems to be having.
You know, players were called into the One day series
against India very little experience and still perform well. Our
A two is doing well, so I think the depth
(47:06):
and I think, Jerry is you're quite rightly pointed out
the down Lining tournament they didn't really get a fair
crack at it, and that needs to be sort of
judging on that basis. But I think broadly speaking, we've
got quite a lot of depth through our provincial scene
and I think it allus quite well. I just yeah,
(47:28):
I'm quite yep.
Speaker 3 (47:30):
Yeah, well there we are, Carl. There's the answer to
your question. I think of a fair assessment of what
was a difficult time for our under nineteen side, and
I guess they will learn lessons from that as well. Jens,
I hope you don't have too much political stuff shoved
at you through the World T twenty, but I've got
(47:51):
a funny feeling that politics is going to play a
bigger part in the early stages anyway than cricket as such.
So we'll just have to grin and bear it, so
to speak, and enjoy and I hope New Zealand is
capable of being able to win games against US downe
u AE, South Africa and Canada to advance to the
(48:12):
next stage. We will wait and see and watch with interest.
Speaker 7 (48:15):
Guys, all right, we'll listen.
Speaker 6 (48:18):
Leads, good to chat, yep, absolutely all right, we catch
another time mate, Yeah, all right, all the world fulties
of summering.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
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