February 25, 2026 • 51 mins
This week on On The Front Foot, a late innings recovery has the Black Caps in line for a semifinal clash at the WT20.
Bryan Waddle and Jeremy Coney were joined by Peter Holland to review the Sri Lanka match and Peter Fulton reflected on his time as Canterbury’s coach.
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The Black Cats are on the back foot for a
period of the Matchigan Sri Lanka. When they got on
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proved costly for the black Caps in the past, almost
looked like it could be the case this time as well.
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Latim emphatic woe and impressive recovery against Sri Lanka has
opened a way for a semi final. West Indies and
England joined South Africa with strong claim for the semi
finals along with India and Faults. Peter Fulton heads off
for international coaching experience after a distinguished impact on the
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game in Canterbury. Also controversy raging again in the English
domestic program as the one hundred extends the divisions in
the political game. That politics and hundreds are not what
we're on about today. Jeremy Canny and Peter Holland reflecting
back on the World T twenty and an emphatic win
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over Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka, Jeremy Caney, that is
a real cause of confidence, bearing in mind they were
on toast after about fifteen of us, weren't they.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
They were once? Yeah six, But yeah, look an important win,
wasn't it.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
I mean, a critical game but for both teams keeps
them in with their chance for a semi final Pakistan
and still hovering there. But you know Sri Lanka now
you know they can't catch New Zealand, so they yet
to register a point. Looked like it was tight at times,
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as you say, they lost the task, betted and put
in a mixture.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Of an inn.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Thing's really.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
Sort of a little bit like a car on its
first lesson, you know, with the learner, you know, lurching
along and surging and leaping and hopping, little bright start
from finellen. Then they lost two wickets and two overs,
so the power play was, you know, just not quite
so good.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
At forty four for two.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Then Ravendra and Phillips had a few good overs, two
or three good overs, but.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Then in came to Big Sharanna and he plucked out
the whole of the middle order, didn't he.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Ravendra ut one to backward point, mistied a little bit,
and then and then defending Chapman and Mitchell both bold,
So the middle order was kind of gone. And at
that point six for eighty four and the thirteenth Sri
Lanka on top, very much on top, and New Zealand
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actually had to rebuild through McConkie and also with Centner
for about three overs, only six runs, and then they
started to get going and then they hammered them in
the last four overs, so they the total of one
hundred and sixty eight was actually not bad at the end.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
My word it was. It was quite clearly defendable when
you look at what Sri Lanki got. But Peter Holland,
I guess you look at it and say, you know,
Senna has become a class finisher, hasn't he. And he
found great support in finishing with McConkie, and one of
the important things. It's nice to have the big hitters
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at the start and a good scoring rates at the
you know, the powerplay initially, but you've also got to
have good finishes and the resilience of their betting kept
them in the game at the at the changeover.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Good toss to get inserted. I think by the opposition
that might have been in New Zealand's favor. Interesting that
reel anker win the toss pulled us en. I would
have always thought that, especially in Sri Lanka, maybe that's
a better outcome. Very interested in the in the in
the team selections which gave the the New Zealand team
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breadth and scope options to to to use throughout the game.
And I think that that played out. I'm I've said
in previous forecasts, I have been most impressed with with Satna.
And the thing about him is the guy from all
accounts I never met, the man is so laid back,
he's horizontal, he doesn't panic, and and and that came
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through again. They were measured. They they they worked out
what they had to do and then finished it beautifully.
And then if we look at what happened in the
in the Israelanka earnings, some interesting shots. But again the
use of the bowlers and who was bowling and when
they were I was going to say, and that's a captaincy,
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but the team looked highly prepared, played the plans. It
was a it was a it was a slick performance.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah, I mean that was the point, Jerry. Wasn't it
the fact that they selected spinners. We don't often go
into a game with just two seems and then only
bowl them three overs. So the spin plan with a
side that we're not renowned for our spinners, are we.
I mean, yeah, you take them for conditions. But the
way all that panned out was was splendid, wasn't it.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
Yeah, it's It's an interesting one that I don't think
I've ever really seen a World Cup match like that.
When New Zealand have operated seventeen overs with spinners, it's extraordinary, really,
isn't it. And a lot of them part time spinners.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Yeah, it just shows you.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
I think the difference between the pitches in India and
then in Pakistan, isn't it really? There's just that there
is a bit of nibble. There's been a bit of
rain around. We bit of seen for the quicker bowlers,
but the slower. The you know, the ball is on
the surface longer because of the soil and it gives
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it time to turn. And so New Zealand will be
much better I think for having that game on that pitch,
on that ground and the surface that they'll play against
England England will it'll be trial by spin again when
they play England.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Won't it.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
With Jack Dawson and Rashid They've also got Beth on
the background there. Bold against Sri Lanka, the English bold
twelve overs of spin and got seven wickets. And then
against Pakistan they they old ten overs of spin and
got four wickets. So it's been effective for them as well.
And and and England have been doing quite well in
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the power Play seven eight they got five wickets against
Sri Lanka and the power Play with Archer and Jack's
so New Zealand just have to be wary. They got
an opportunity because of this wind to push their way
through into the semis.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Let's wait and see again.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
New Zealand must be feeling pretty good after that that
performance that we were witnessed last night.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Over the over the years, I've been rather become rather
frustrated with sort of sticking to the old and the
and the tried and the older than tried and what
have you, whereas what the selection of this team demonstrate
a degree of agility and and and and adapting for
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the for the conditions. And I find that refreshing because,
as you rightly point out, Jerry, you know down in
Sri Lanka it's it's quite a different set of conditions
you're up against. So therefore pick the team that suits
us is Cole McConkie, you know, great selection with the
Bracewell having to go home. I really like the agility
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being shown by by the captain and team management around
putting together a squad which is going to play pretty
well and all conditions. Although I do fair England a bit.
And can I just comment that that one hundred from
Brook the other day against against Pakistan, My lord, that
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was that was some innx, wasn't it.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
That was the main point is that the bowling group
will feel a hell of a lot more confident now.
I think they probably will have come from India a
bit shell shocked because even some of some of the
associate countries were not under pressure at all against them,
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and they were being hit quite comfortably around the ground
and they were trying all sorts of methods, but none
of them seemed to really work that well, and they
looked a bit bewildered by what to do, I felt
at times.
Speaker 6 (09:28):
And so.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
I think this has shown that the bowlers are very
much in the game in these conditions. I mean, the
seamers only got three overs and they picked up wickets
and they hardly went for any runs. I mean, you'd
wrap your arms around those two, wouldn't you, Ferguson and
Henry when you.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Start like that.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
And so I think those bowlers will get a lot
out of that game and they will feel, man, we're
in this if we get a good delivery.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Wherein with the chance.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
They seem to buy the plans, there was a period
it wasn't at the stars. It was out of the
stumps that that you know, there was they worked it
through and thought it through. I think that crandit's got
to be given to the two coaches and the staff
there as well.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Most definitely you talked about mconkie coming in as a
replacement for brace Ball, he was also a replacement basically
for Nichem. You know, to make the choice of taking
Nichem out of the game who can be a big
striker with the I'm not sure that his bowling is
quite up to what it should be or what it
has been, but he is a key player with a
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lot of experience and the death and there you bring
in mconkie. I'm interested by the man of the Match choice.
Russian Ravendro got four. We'll get some thirty. But to me,
the changing of the game and the winning moments of
the game came in the last four overs, that partnership
between Satna and McConkie. When you know they batted basically
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seven overs right to the last ball, and the last
four overs eighteen, twenty one, nine teen and twelve. To me,
man of the match comes out of Santa and McConkie.
I'm not decrying Revender. I'm glad to see him in
great form and he's a dominant player. But I'm just
one instance, picking in an instance in the game. It
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was that partnership that got New Zealand the victory, more
so to my mind than four for twenty seven. Maybe wrong, Yeah, well.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
They're both important words, aren't they. I can get your
point totally. Are you going to give it to McConkie
who started the hitting.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
We're getting eight.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
Off the sixteenth over and then the two sixers off
Tramira at the faster bowler to get the thing underway.
Or are you going to give it to the forty
seven from Satna who got four sixers?
Speaker 4 (11:54):
So so, I mean, you know that's quite a tricky
you're going to give it to them both wads, well,
a couple of medals. It's going to cost you a
bit more mate.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
The other one is, you know Revendra the case for
Revendra got a thirty year and then the third, fourth, fifth,
and sixth wickets, so he's ripped out the middle order
in his four overs.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Getting two wickets, one wicket and one wicket. So I
don't mind.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
I don't actually, to be honest, I don't care about
that stuff. Who gets the Man of the match as
long as they do their jobs, that's it for me.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Well, the interesting thing was that senta I giving it
to mconkie because Center almost ran himself out the first
ball that he faced and he was sent back by Mitchell,
which was probably one of the best calls of the night.
Perhaps Mitchell sending Sentner back from the possibility of being running.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
To Mitchell to michell a new field.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
It's whatever was good game under pressure that they're still
in the whole tournament.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Those are the key elements.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
Tough game against England, against a dangerous opponent, you don't know.
One day they look like a little furi animal and
the next day've got a raging.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Bear, you know.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
So, and they've got a number of players who can
really hurt you if they have a good, really good day.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
So a difficult opposition.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
But New Zealand have played there recently, they'll know the
sorts of games they have to play.
Speaker 7 (13:35):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
And I'm picking them to get through to the semifinals
anyway because on net run rate Pakistan, I've got a
hell of a job ahead of them. New Zealand has
a three plus three net run rate, Pakistan two points
behind them minus zero point four six. One really have
to put Sri Lanka to the sword to get through.
So I'm reading it that way and going with it,
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and hopefully in the end result the semi final will
be in Indian conditions rather than Sri Lankan conditions. Most
of you lookers, though, you've got a similar thought.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Are you with me? Well, I would never disagree with you.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
Brian, as you know, come on, it's all the most,
come off and stand up on those hind leagues.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
No, I do agree with you, and and I note
also that there is a a very very important game
later later today which will determine what happens with with India,
who are really really undercoming under pressure as regards run rate.
As you point out, Brian, quite correctly, New Zealand sits
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very nicely with quite a big differential in terms of
run rate, which which all things being equal to you
go through now India. If if India and South Africa
win their next couple of games, but South Africa play
West Indies today, this is a big game because if
if if West Indies get up over South Africa, India
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may not be there.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Ye yeah, well you know the West Indies are making
a strong claim, aren't they the way they've been playing,
and they have punishing batsmen. I think they've got a
good bowling attack as well pret variety scene and the
spinner Moti. But hit Meyer of course is a powerful
player who plays that short form of the game brilliantly.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
And I agree, and I think that they are a
chance against South Africa. But to me, South Africa. You know,
getting flogged New Zealand getting flogged a couple of weeks
ago by South Africa now doesn't look that bad when
when you see what they did to India, he was
the South African team's good. The way they went about
it against India, the way they worked out some of
the batsmen, how they bowled at them, very impressive. And
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you know there's some names there the go what's his name,
de Walt Brevis, young guy. They've got g whiz, they've
got they've got a very very good side, but they're
not giving the headlines.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
They're my favorite at the moment. Yeah, we're out.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
The thing for me, West Indies they take wickets.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
Scotland ten wickets, England they got ten wickets, Nepal they
got eight, Italy they got ten, Zimbabwe they got ten.
Now there are not many sides who have done that.
They also the runs that they've been getting one eighty
isn't huge. These are the ones in India one eighty two,
one ninety six, one thirty four for one beating Nepal
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and then Italy won sixty five and then Zimbabwe two
fifty four. So they have got that power, as you say,
the bowling bored very good, very good bowler Ford. And
then the two, well, they got three kind of spinners,
haven't they. Moti and Hassein both have taken wickets. Moti
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has ten wickets, Hossein has six so far. And then
you've also got Chase who might come in with all
the left left handers, you see, because he's an off spinner,
they might look at him as well, So keep an
eye on that one as well, Ramaria Shepherd. They didn't
even bowl him, Shama Joseph. They've got some good seamers there.
They've got pace, they can bowl short, they can bowl full.
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And then they as you say, they've got the hitters
hit Meyer two hundred and nineteen runs, Rutherford one to
eighty nine, Shepherd two hundred. They've got some good players
and they're playing well and confidently. And then you say
the South Africans very smart, big statement against India, wasn't it.
The thoughtful bowling, very appropriate on the black surface at
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arm and the bed on the pace of ingidee, pace
off all the time, four overs for fifteen over, sixty
percent dot balls and the power play five flower balls
and one over. It took abershek completely out of play,
and he's so important to the Indians because he buys
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time for the middle order because he scores so quickly.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
And you know, they always bowled over the wicket.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
To the left left handers going away from him, and
so he was reaching all the time, not bowling into
the hip and they had the deep extracover as well,
a good field against him particularly, so great execution Maharaj
bowling to Pandia bold wide, smart bowling again got him
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and so I just felt they were great, just batsmanship.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
They lost.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
Both teams lost three wickets in the power play and
then it was up to Brevis that you talked about,
and also a Stubbs was there as well.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Wasn't he and then Miller. So I just thought they
were smart.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Most definitely, and a lot more to play out in
this world T Tweed. He will be keeping close watch
on it. And we won't know New Zealand's place in
the semi finals until well they've played England on Saturday
morning New Zealand time, and then the Sunday fixture between
Pakistan and the host's Sri Lanka.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Yeah, Brian Waddell, Jeremy Coney on the front foot.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Last week we had news that Canterbury coach former black
Cap Peter Fulton was heading for a job at Lord's
Coaching Middlesex. While it was mentioned as failure to gain
an interview for the black CAP's job was a push
behind the decision, it was a combination of issues that
forced him to go offshore to gain valuable experience. Falter
has appeared on the front foot in the past, a
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man with positive views but a seemingly practical approach to
the coaching role, which will take him to what must
be considered as almost a dream job with an office
at the home of cricket lords. Is that fair to
say faults?
Speaker 7 (20:05):
Yeah, I think as you say, middleseat at Lord's.
Speaker 6 (20:10):
Yeah, delighted to I suppose to get the opportunity, but
also also equally aware that you know, there's been some
issues there and over the last few years and the
performances probably haven't been what you know, the club has
expected over a period of time. So yeah, I suppose
going in with my eyes wide open that yeah, it's
going to be a challenge.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Yeah, I guess you'll need to be wide open too,
because that's the sort of challenge you probably haven't experienced
to the same extent. You know, you're a Canterbury boy
and you've led Canterbury. You're a black Cap and you've
been a batting coach for the black Caps. Now you're
going into a totally different environment, don't you.
Speaker 7 (20:45):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 6 (20:46):
I think that's possibly a big reason, you know why
maybe I got the job because they're looking for a
fresh set of eyes and a fresh approach. But yeah,
there's going to be some different challenges as I as
I said, And yeah, one of them is going to be,
you know, forming relationships as quickly as possible.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yeah, And I guess that's one of the important things.
You can't come in shaking a big stick, can you
when you go into an role like that.
Speaker 7 (21:09):
No, I don't think so. I don't think so.
Speaker 6 (21:11):
Like I said, you've got to you've got to, you know,
I guess take a little bit of time to to
just sort of assess things and see how things run.
And you know, once you form those relationships and you
and you sort of I just garner a little bit
of trust, you know, then I suppose if there's things
that you know, I want to.
Speaker 7 (21:27):
Do differently, then we can look at that later. Later
on down the track.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
The Canopy job has basically come to an end, even
though you're still around the Cagbory team at the moment,
but you're you're heading off to Middlesex. Season probably didn't
end how you would have liked. Nice to have left
with a win and another trophy in the cabinet. But
when you look at the Canterbory side, have you achieved
as much as you want to achieve in the period
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of time you've been in charge.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
Look, I think you always always want to do more
and win more games. We've been We've been incredibly consistent
over the last five or six years. And that's and
that's despite I suppose, you know, having to draw on
a lone Japula players then maybe some of the other
major associations just by nature of the amount of black
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Cat players we've had. So yeah, like I said, it's
it's a it's a little bit of a double edged sword.
You know, we've got some very fine players, but a
lot of the time they're not at our disposal. So
really pleased with I guess the young players have come
through over the over the years, and you know, while
we've brought through those young players, we've still been able
to remain really competitive as well.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Trophies and winning things probably are an important part of
what you do, but you also have a responsibility, I
supposed to develop those players for higher honors and creating
those opportunities for them has seen something that Canterbury and
some of the other provinces have done as well.
Speaker 6 (22:52):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, that's part of the job to try
and I guess provide players that can that can you know,
play for his zeeland and then and then perform well.
So yeah, we've we've been lucky. We've been lucky enough
to do that over the last sort of five.
Speaker 7 (23:05):
Or six years, you know.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
And that's and that's that's as a coach, I suppose
that's ultimately what you what you really want to try
and do you want to try and help players get better?
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Do you have one set achievement that you're very proud
of or is it just the constant performances of the
side that you go through over a period of time
In terms of what you've been able to lead them through.
Speaker 7 (23:26):
I think probably just the level of consistency, you know.
Speaker 6 (23:29):
I think I think in the six years, you know,
the two whiteball competitions, the Ford Trophy and the Super Smash.
I think we've only missed the We've only missed the
final one one year out of those out of those,
out of those twelve finals appearances, So yeah, that level
of consistency is not easy for the players to do.
Speaker 7 (23:46):
They have to play a lot more games. There's no rest.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
You don't get a week or ten days off at
the end of a campaign to sort of reach out
to the battery.
Speaker 7 (23:54):
So yeah, that would probably be the thing that stands
out the most to me in.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Terms of coaching as opposed to being a player. Are
we putting our players too much in courtmore?
Speaker 7 (24:04):
Do you think?
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Or do they need to have a but a cop
more around them at times? As you a player, as
a player, you've probably experienced times when you might have
been you know, almost players to use by date for
a season or performance. Now players are getting more rest time,
aren't they.
Speaker 7 (24:21):
Yeah, they are.
Speaker 6 (24:22):
I mean they play a lot more cricket as well,
So it's a really fine balance. If you know, if
some of these players, that especially the ones that are
playing international cricket and franchise cricket, you know, if they
don't if they don't have those periods of rest then
something's going to give at some stage, and unfortunately, the
financial I guess rewards of franchise cricket probably dictate that
it might be the international game that suffers. So yeah,
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I don't I certainly don't envy the people that have
to make those decisions because, like I say, you're stuck
between a rock and a hard place.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Have you learned a lot of coaches you've gone along
as well?
Speaker 7 (24:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (24:56):
Absolutely, absolutely, I think you're always learning. There's always different
challenges every season. Every season is different, there's different scenarios
that pop up, There's you know, different players will have
different issues and things that they're working on or they
need help with. So yeah, I think always trying to
always trying to get better as a coach is the
same as you know, no different to a player trying
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to get better. And also, like I just mentioned, the
demands of the game now internationally, franchise cricket different things
around the world. Yeah, I suppose the perspective of the
players has changed to when I started, where it was
literally about playing for in my case, playing with Canobury
and trying to play for New Zealand and now and
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now there's a whole whole lot of other different opportunities
are out there, and young players come through now you know,
they want those opportunities.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
It's in the media last week that you took on
this role and applied for it because you didn't get
an interview for the black Caps role. Do you see
yourself perhaps being available for the black Caps in future
if it crops up?
Speaker 7 (26:05):
Yeah, I mean I don't. I don't.
Speaker 6 (26:07):
That wasn't That wasn't the sole reason why I applied,
you know, it probably it probably just gave me the
last little little push that I needed. But like I said,
I have no no hard feelings you know, around around
that process. It's the nature of professional sport, whether your
player or a coach. So yeah, that wasn't wasn't really
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the deciding factor. I just thought it would be a
great opportunity, you know, and a really exciting one as well.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
They talk about another sports coaches giving opportunities to coach
overseas and in a different environment, which can be of
a help to you if if you do come back
and take on a role here in New Zealand.
Speaker 6 (26:48):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's the that's the that's the
other that's the other real plus about the job, not
only is it a really good opportunity for myself in
the family. Yeah, I think later on down the line,
you know, whatever, you know, whatever coaching job I'm trying
to go into, I think this will be this will
be something that will hold me in good stead.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
You reflect on the last say five or six years
and your involvement in the coaching side, and of course
before that the matting coach with the Black Caps, what
do you see as the standard of the New Zealand
game At the moment? We seem to be doing pretty
well in a group and age group competitions without winning
titles and such like, but should be pretty happy with
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the way the game is developing in New Zealand and
the opportunities that arising for our leading players.
Speaker 6 (27:36):
Yeah, I think so, and I think that'll be the
balance moving forward for New Zealand Cricket is trying to
make sure that you know, there are still opportunities for
young players coming through to develop. You know, I've probably
said this multiple times to different people over the last
few years, but the domestic game in New Zealand gets
a bit of a bad rap because you know, not
a lot of people go to the ground to watch it,
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but it's still really around the country and the standard
of cricket is really really high, and you can see
that just over the last few years by the number
of players who have come from domestic cricket made their
international debuts and then performed really well. So so that's
a that's a great sign that it's preparing players for
the international game. And I suppose that's the balance moving
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forward is how can we how can we keep that
development of players as a priority while also trying to
I suppose, you know, grow the game and explore other
ways of making money.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
And I suppose that was highlighted on the weekend where
the two best sides were in the final of the
Ford Trophy, and it was actually an outstanding game of cricket,
but sadly there was no one there to enjoy it,
whether that be the lack of promotion or people have
other things to do. It was a good cricket and
show our game in a good spotlight, didn't it?
Speaker 7 (28:48):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (28:48):
It did?
Speaker 6 (28:48):
And I mean anyone who anyone who watched that game
that you know the century that Henry Nicols scored and
the century that Will Young scored, you know, you won't
you won't you won't see you won't see better batting
you know, in New Zealand at any level than what
we than what we saw on Sunday. So yeah, like
I said, pleased to have played my part over the
last few years and and trying to grow the grow
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the sort of talent pool in New Zealand and I
look forward to, you know, to seeing that continue in
the future.
Speaker 7 (29:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
One final question, there's been major discussions and even controversy
I suppose about our white ball competition, the Super Smash.
No real indication of what's going to happen in terms
of for what where New Zealand Cricket are going to
go if you got an idea on what you would
like to see in terms of the development because T
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twenty cricket is still part of the framework, isn't it.
Speaker 6 (29:40):
Yeah, absolutely, and we'll only continue to probably become more
important over the years. So really a really tough decision
I think for New Zealand Cricket, trying to balance I
suppose the financial sort of future of the game and
making sure that they're looking after that, but also from
a playing point of view, what are the what's the
best way to keep developing cricketers.
Speaker 7 (30:02):
That can play for New Zealand.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
So yeah, not a not an easy balance, I suppose
from my point of view, I just hope that, like
I say, the overall, the overall growth of the game
and the development of the game hopefully is at the
forefront of everyone's minds, you know, because it seems like
maybe up until this point, personalities have sort of come
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into it and clash of personalities. So hopefully, hopefully everyone
can get on the same page and make sure that
the growth in the future of the games, you know,
the number one priority.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
And do you have a sense what the players feel
where I mean, it's obviously some players are prepared to
talk about it, other's probably within the cricket chircle. Have
you got a sense what the players would like? Do
they want to be part of the BBL or do
they want to have our own competition in New Zealand.
Speaker 6 (30:49):
I think the sense I get from the players is
they would like to have our own competition in New Zealand,
and I suppose that would probably be my preference as well.
But it's just I suppose, again, as I said, finding
the balance between the financials and making sure they all
stack up, because I think if we have our own
competition in New Zealand that benefits more players overall. If
we have a big Bash team, then that'll be a
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real benefit to a few players. But that probably poses
the question then what happens to all the other players
and the young players on the domestic circuit who aren't
quite good enough to make a big batch side you.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Some fair points made thereby Peter Fulton an interesting view
on the T twenty proposal for New Zealand. He favors
the New Zealand competition rather than a and as he says,
many of the players favor as well, rather than being
part of the BBL. Or do you make of all that?
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Maybe there's more money involved for the players under the
local one because of cash from overseas. For all concerned,
self interest is a big motivator and these sorts of
things I find.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
That often prompts people to make certain decisions. I'm sure,
and it's it's so we'll have to wait and see,
I guess Jerry, won't we because we just don't know
where they're going. They're having a lot of talks, but
nothing seems to be emerging.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
Yeah, we just don't know Wadd's I've tended to favor
the BBL because from the players perspective, yes, it would
take away a few players, but I think it gives
a pathway for those decent news And if I was
a player and I was playing T twenty cricket, I'd
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be very keen to try and get into that New
Zealand side if it was over in the BBL.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
It gives me a way to get there.
Speaker 5 (32:45):
And the quality and the crowds and all the things
we've spoken about, the practice facilities, the sides of the ground,
the pressure on you.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
It can only bring out the best in you as a.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
Player, more so than doing it because we're not going
to get I know he may feel folks may feel
that it's going to bring New Zealand players, our black cats,
back into the T twenty.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
I don't think it will. I think they'll.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
Already stay outside. They're already there, aren't they. There are
four or five of them there at the Big Bash. Already.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
There are lots going to the South African T twenty.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
They go to the ILT twenty, which you're on at
the same time, all established competitions, all paying better than
they're getting here.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Picking up on your points here and what in my
reflection about self interest in so just before, I just
can't And I've heard it from people who've been seem
to be apparently quite heavily involved in the in the
T twenty game that no, no, the investors will be patient.
(33:58):
I don't always find that's the case. They'll be patient.
They give this example of the West Indian League, which
was lost making for a long period of time and
now apparently it's it's it's making money. I have no idea.
I just take them at their word, but I just
cannot see how when one looks at and perhaps we're
going to cover it later, we've got two very fine
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games with four very very good sides, the best size
in our one day competitions at the base Rezoo in
lovely weather and no one's there. So when you want
to then roll out a significant and large and maybe
it's purely around TV and television rights, is what's driving
this on the domestic twenty twenty. Perhaps that's what it is,
(34:41):
But I just can't see it. I would have thought,
as you rightly say, Jarie, that pathway that's been that
is available and you're part of I think what looks
like a much better and more exciting competition in the
in the in the the Big Bash. And also, can
I just say it would mean a lot more of
our players are playing in Australia and that might be
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a good thing that one day we might go over
there and beat them. Yeah, little things like that in
the back of my head. I just can not to
the life of me, and perhaps I'm just old guard.
I just can't see how one would get grounds that
are going to be in any way, shape or form
full of spectators And probably comes back to TV rights.
But are you going to get the players? Do you
(35:24):
know they were already committed? I just but but maybe
someone's going to fill in the gaps for me. So
that's that's that's my view. I'm where you are, Jerry
on this one very much.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
What you went to the final line thinking on that
final day? Most has already mentioned the spectators. What what
was the story there?
Speaker 2 (35:46):
There was no story because there were no spectators. Well
there were a couple and I.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
Well that's a story.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (35:52):
This is this is the final of our od I competition,
probably the best format that New Zealand play. Now I
can understand them choosing Wellington. This seems to be a
kind of a current way of these tournaments where all
the teams go to one venue.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
I guess it's on the basis of cost.
Speaker 5 (36:13):
And it could have been Wellington men as well, but
they were knocked out in the Illuminator, weren't they It
left It left the Wellington women there as well for
the final. But what are we talking guys? I didn't
watch it, I'm sorry, but what are we talking about?
Two three hundred people maximum for these for this final
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of our main format.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Pretty much the thing about it, of course, and it's
to my mind it's thoroughly disappointing. It's free to get in,
so it doesn't cost anybody anything free, it's free, you
get in for nothing. You get the facilities at the ground,
you can buy a beer, you can have a feed.
But no one went along, and because they don't seem
to want to promote it at ENNGCA level, there was
(37:00):
no real promotion. People were saying, oh, I didn't know
it was on, and I can fully understand what they're saying,
but as you say, it's it's the final of our
premiere fifty over competition for both men and women. The
four best teams were there. Wellington Women versus Northern Districts
thoroughly deserved winners. And they also had Central Districts and
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Canterbury playing a three hundred side game which was outstanding.
But to my mind the umpiring was not up to
the sort of standard. I think they should have the
best umpires there, they should have television, they should have drs.
And don't tell me it's the cost, because they can
waste money on a scoring system that no one ever
wanted to be part of to get megabucks spent on it.
(37:48):
I just find that it's downplaying the quality of our
premier tournament. And you know that's my bouncer. I've just
delivered off a long run?
Speaker 5 (38:00):
Was it?
Speaker 4 (38:00):
Wadd's? Was the whole day good? Was it well run?
Because it's not run by the Wellington you know places.
Speaker 5 (38:09):
I mean it's running really by New Zealand Cricket. That
that competition and that day.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
It's their responsibility, but they use Wellington of course to
do the work around the ground and everything.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Right, In terms of getting people on the park, the
wather was as good as you can get in Wellington,
bearing in mind a little bit of wind that came
in at odd times for that comes wherever you go.
But I just you know, to my mind that if
they should have the same final for the fifty over
(38:42):
competition as they had for their Super Smash which was
at Hagley Oval, And to me, I think it's underplaying
the club and domestic finals that they have and the
players deserve better.
Speaker 5 (38:56):
To my mind, sounds like just just the families turned
up from the from the from the teams.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
Yeah, I mean it was it good community with the crowd.
Speaker 5 (39:09):
Was that did you sit in the heavily congested one
bay of seats that the people that I was all.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Met for coffee was no, I've got a coffee when
I wanted one. I was able to get a quiet
beer on the side as well. But then they presented
the prizes and the microphone didn't work in terms of
the loud speaker system, so no one could hear a
young lady who has a very quiet voice speaking at
(39:38):
the end about her team's performance. I mean, all those
sorts of things to me are totally amateurish.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
On the front foot with Waddle and Cody on a.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Civil subject, a short form credit one hundred sixty seven
players from Pakistan are among those who have registered for
next month's one hundred auction, though England Test captain Ben
Stokes hasn't signed up. Pakistan players are not being considered
by four Indian in side in the auction that comes
(40:10):
up on the eleventh and twelfth of March. Michael Vaughan
says England has to act fast because omitting players based
on their nationality shouldn't be allowed to happen in Harry Brook,
who is a part of an Indian owned side, the
Sunrises or the Superchargers as are known, says it would
be a shame if they're not considered once again. Jerry,
(40:32):
it's a situation of politics over sport, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (40:39):
Well, it's certainly pretty much at the center of what
we're about to discuss. The ECB have got themselves in
quite a tricky position by inviting the Indian owners and
the money that they have in to the hundred and
having sold summer at the best time when you could
(41:02):
actually play test cricket. It's a pretty open secret that
the Indian owners haven't in the past invited Pakistani players
to play in their sides. Of course, last year in
the dwasim the Pakistani played for the Northern Superchargers, which
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is one of the teams that has been bought by
the Indian owners. They're now called Leads Sunrises, I think.
But look, the patterns are there for people to see
if you go through two or three competitions, and we
all know that the Indian owners have moved around the world.
They've moved beyond India itself. SA twenty all six teams
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are owned by Indian owners. No Pakistanian in four years,
six teams in the ILT twenty in Dubai, six teams,
no Pakistan players. CPL has three teams owned by Indian owners,
the one hundred, this one has four teams. You just
told us that the MLC has four teams as well.
(42:05):
So the consume that the e c B who have
made deals with these Indian owners who have purchased the
team's forty nine percent or more, are now in the
position where they could be held accountable on hostage outside
you know their influences, and it's going to be very
(42:27):
difficult to prove those owners who have influence in the
squad selection that they are entitled to select who what
they want, can't they They'll always prove that and say no, no, no,
it was a cricket matter. It's well nigh impossible to
nail them down. We wanted that tall right hand who
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fields slip and can back up keeper. We want the
left arm quick who can hit. You know, you can
give all sorts of reasons to exclude the Pakistan players.
And I think it's actually I think from a it's illegal.
From the perspective of employment law.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
It's hard to think that there wouldn't be a law
in the UK which says that you you can't exclude
people because you've got freedom of movement. I mean there
was in football back in the nineties there was a
thing called the Bossman Ruling which which came into play,
which allowed freedom of movement and such like, and and
and and I cannot think that you know, you could
(43:32):
apply to the European Rights Human Rights Commissioned because you're
you're your ability to earn earn an income and all
those sorts of opportunities. But you're But it comes back
to the fact, as you say, Jerry, hey, I'm I'm
the owner of this and it's my capital and other
side who plays, Because are you going to tell me
you can't do that? Surely the ECB must have known
(43:56):
that was a possibility. I mean, no one would be
that that that naive, would they? But they have been
blinded by the cash and the capital one things.
Speaker 4 (44:06):
Yep they have.
Speaker 5 (44:08):
It's the same with Azim Rafique Moose. He was from
Yorkshire and off spinner and you know he charged institutional
racism and bullying at Yorkshire was set. It was you know,
the ECB held an inquiry, Six players and coaches were sanctioned.
(44:29):
The Yorkshire senior executives resigned. The Yorkshire were banned from
having an international matches there for a while. So they're
very much you know, they have clear anti discrimination policies
in place. They've sent emails to all the teams. But
I'll tell you what, they won't be able to prove it.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
And look.
Speaker 5 (44:51):
To me, Cricket's a game where you're supposed it's supposed
to be something to bring people together.
Speaker 4 (44:56):
Isn't it not separate them, not to keep them apart.
Speaker 5 (45:00):
It's something that's it's one of the best things about
it that you connect with people and you combine people
and you knit people together.
Speaker 4 (45:07):
You don't divide them.
Speaker 5 (45:08):
And the easyb chant and Lord this loudly across the UK.
I mean, if you go back and you see players
like Wakar and Saklain and as a mum mood, they've
all played, they've all played in the county Championship and
it won't be a good look for the ECB, whether
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it's all inclusive cluit a policy, if these sides, despite
all the protestation of innocence and so on, that no
Pakistani players selected for any of those three.
Speaker 4 (45:42):
Or four sides.
Speaker 5 (45:44):
The wider group of England supporters who don't like they
in fact, they hate this one hundred competition as a
format and they hate it using up August as the
best part of summer for some frivolous little sixteen point
four over game called one hundred, you know, for a proper, serious,
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sensible cricket like those called tests.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
Is there a danger that this situation could develop in
New Zealand if there is a New Zealand T twenty
they're looking for financial backing. Will the Indians put money
into sides in a competition here? Will they put money
into the BBL in Australia? And will they apply the
same issues to teams chosen here? If they want to
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put Pakistan players in New Zealand or people of Pakistan origin.
Speaker 3 (46:38):
You can see the template being rolled out, can't you
around the world. So if that were to be the case,
you'd be You'd be You'd be kidding yourself if you
didn't think that that wasn't going to play out, if
there was such a competition in New Zealand to be
here and yeah, at the cost of the Pakistani plays.
(47:00):
The question that I would have, Jerry, is if I
am a person of in saying living in brad and
I'm a good cricketer, and i am a person of
Pakistani heritage, but I'm actually a British citizen, how could
they just how could they exclude me? Could they exclude me?
(47:22):
If you follow what I'm saying, I'm my parents are
Pakistani and their immigrants. But there are a lot of
people in Yorkshire in particular in other places who are
dinky dye born and bred in the UK. Would it
would do you think that the the distinctions drawn would
would play down to that because they wouldn't be able
(47:43):
to exclude a British citizen. Would they.
Speaker 5 (47:48):
A short answer, I don't know, but I would suspect
that they would. The owners would come under pressure political
pressure from the BCCI and others when they saw a
Pakistani player who looked like a Pakistani player out playing
in those teams. That's just a guess total guests from me,
(48:12):
and it is only speculation. But I would say from
here wants to answer your question. You won't see any
Indians because they are not allowed to go and play
another leagues. They can only be eligible for the IPL.
There will be no Pakistanis. I wouldn't have thought from
what we've seen. They don't allow them in South Africa,
(48:32):
they don't allow them in to buy, they don't allow
them in the CPL. Will they allow them in England.
We don't wait, and we'll wait and see. There'll be
no Pakistanis. There'll be no Bangla dishes probably either.
Speaker 3 (48:44):
Well, so yeah, it'spot on Jerry. Yeah, yeah, you haven't
included you abungl the dishes.
Speaker 7 (48:52):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (48:53):
Is it Allentenna consequences or what we could have foreseen?
I don't know, but it's probably situation.
Speaker 2 (49:01):
Yeah, probably a bit of both. We'll probably know the
answer on the eleventh or twelfth of March when the
auction goes up for players one hundred and you'll be
looking forward to that, Jerry, I know how much you
enjoy thee hundred and you'll be watching closely.
Speaker 5 (49:16):
Point sixteen point four please, yeah, yeah, the sixteen point four.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
Well, never bind, Let's have twenty over a side. We've
got England coming up, We've got semi finals. I see
New Zealand playing in both because they've got to play
England and I'm sure that they will qualify win or
lose against England. That's the way I see it at
the moment. You'll be watching in the middle of the night,
of course, moosas as you do most of the time.
Speaker 3 (49:43):
Oh yeah, I'm absolutely yeah, revetted and pinned. Yeah, but
I can see you looking at you say that this
has become I've actually got really initiate. I wasn't so
sure about this another twenty twenty World Cup. Actually, I'm
finding this quite interesting because of the Tier two teams
which played pretty well, were competitive, great for the opportunities
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for them, and now we're in an interesting face. So
there's there's a lot playing on this. It's you know,
I'm you know, I'm into it surprisingly.
Speaker 5 (50:15):
As well as it's a bit of as long as
there's a bit of jeopardy I like the fact that
they are different conditions. I've always thought that the condition
should determine things, and it is certainly is in you know,
differently in India and in and in Sri Lanka. A
bit more batsmanship required in Sri Lanka running ones, running
(50:36):
two's hard because of the bigger ground.
Speaker 4 (50:38):
Find gaps.
Speaker 5 (50:40):
Make sure you don't have many dot ball all that stuff,
lower the dot ball percentage.
Speaker 4 (50:44):
So I get, I get.
Speaker 5 (50:46):
I don't know. I don't watch in the middle of
the night fellas. Sorry, the glue is run out in
the seat, and so I don't. I don't sit there
any longer.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
Your bed in the lounge, okay, have you got your
bed in the lounge?
Speaker 4 (50:58):
Well you move, you know, you move your TV into
the bedroom.
Speaker 3 (51:02):
I know what you do.
Speaker 4 (51:04):
That's that's easy.
Speaker 5 (51:07):
Then taking well done on the third grandchild, wards, I'm
sure you had a lot.
Speaker 7 (51:12):
To do with it.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
Well, I had. I had some passing interest a few
years back. It's it's nice three grandsons now answered, I've
got all the top three. Yeah, I've got a front
row for the All Blacks or the first three batsmen
for the black Caps, one way or the other. All right, guys,
Thanks very much for your time again, and talk again
(51:35):
after the semi final.
Speaker 4 (51:38):
YEA, well, let's hope, so cheers me in.
Speaker 2 (51:44):
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back on the World T twenty and an emphatic win
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over Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka, Jeremy Caney, that is
a real cause of confidence, bearing in mind they were
on toast after about fifteen of us, weren't they.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
They were once? Yeah six, But yeah, look an important win,
wasn't it.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
I mean, a critical game but for both teams keeps
them in with their chance for a semi final Pakistan
and still hovering there. But you know Sri Lanka now
you know they can't catch New Zealand, so they yet
to register a point. Looked like it was tight at times,
(02:33):
as you say, they lost the task, betted and put
in a mixture.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Of an inn.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Thing's really.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
Sort of a little bit like a car on its
first lesson, you know, with the learner, you know, lurching
along and surging and leaping and hopping, little bright start
from finellen. Then they lost two wickets and two overs,
so the power play was, you know, just not quite
so good.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
At forty four for two.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Then Ravendra and Phillips had a few good overs, two
or three good overs, but.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Then in came to Big Sharanna and he plucked out
the whole of the middle order, didn't he.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Ravendra ut one to backward point, mistied a little bit,
and then and then defending Chapman and Mitchell both bold,
So the middle order was kind of gone. And at
that point six for eighty four and the thirteenth Sri
Lanka on top, very much on top, and New Zealand
(03:31):
actually had to rebuild through McConkie and also with Centner
for about three overs, only six runs, and then they
started to get going and then they hammered them in
the last four overs, so they the total of one
hundred and sixty eight was actually not bad at the end.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
My word it was. It was quite clearly defendable when
you look at what Sri Lanki got. But Peter Holland,
I guess you look at it and say, you know,
Senna has become a class finisher, hasn't he. And he
found great support in finishing with McConkie, and one of
the important things. It's nice to have the big hitters
(04:12):
at the start and a good scoring rates at the
you know, the powerplay initially, but you've also got to
have good finishes and the resilience of their betting kept
them in the game at the at the changeover.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Good toss to get inserted. I think by the opposition
that might have been in New Zealand's favor. Interesting that
reel anker win the toss pulled us en. I would
have always thought that, especially in Sri Lanka, maybe that's
a better outcome. Very interested in the in the in
the team selections which gave the the New Zealand team
(04:50):
breadth and scope options to to to use throughout the game.
And I think that that played out. I'm I've said
in previous forecasts, I have been most impressed with with Satna.
And the thing about him is the guy from all
accounts I never met, the man is so laid back,
he's horizontal, he doesn't panic, and and and that came
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through again. They were measured. They they they worked out
what they had to do and then finished it beautifully.
And then if we look at what happened in the
in the Israelanka earnings, some interesting shots. But again the
use of the bowlers and who was bowling and when
they were I was going to say, and that's a captaincy,
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but the team looked highly prepared, played the plans. It
was a it was a it was a slick performance.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah, I mean that was the point, Jerry. Wasn't it
the fact that they selected spinners. We don't often go
into a game with just two seems and then only
bowl them three overs. So the spin plan with a
side that we're not renowned for our spinners, are we.
I mean, yeah, you take them for conditions. But the
way all that panned out was was splendid, wasn't it.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
Yeah, it's It's an interesting one that I don't think
I've ever really seen a World Cup match like that.
When New Zealand have operated seventeen overs with spinners, it's extraordinary, really,
isn't it. And a lot of them part time spinners.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Yeah, it just shows you.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
I think the difference between the pitches in India and
then in Pakistan, isn't it really? There's just that there
is a bit of nibble. There's been a bit of
rain around. We bit of seen for the quicker bowlers,
but the slower. The you know, the ball is on
the surface longer because of the soil and it gives
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it time to turn. And so New Zealand will be
much better I think for having that game on that pitch,
on that ground and the surface that they'll play against
England England will it'll be trial by spin again when
they play England.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Won't it.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
With Jack Dawson and Rashid They've also got Beth on
the background there. Bold against Sri Lanka, the English bold
twelve overs of spin and got seven wickets. And then
against Pakistan they they old ten overs of spin and
got four wickets. So it's been effective for them as well.
And and and England have been doing quite well in
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the power Play seven eight they got five wickets against
Sri Lanka and the power Play with Archer and Jack's
so New Zealand just have to be wary. They got
an opportunity because of this wind to push their way
through into the semis.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Let's wait and see again.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
New Zealand must be feeling pretty good after that that
performance that we were witnessed last night.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Over the over the years, I've been rather become rather
frustrated with sort of sticking to the old and the
and the tried and the older than tried and what
have you, whereas what the selection of this team demonstrate
a degree of agility and and and and adapting for
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the for the conditions. And I find that refreshing because,
as you rightly point out, Jerry, you know down in
Sri Lanka it's it's quite a different set of conditions
you're up against. So therefore pick the team that suits
us is Cole McConkie, you know, great selection with the
Bracewell having to go home. I really like the agility
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being shown by by the captain and team management around
putting together a squad which is going to play pretty
well and all conditions. Although I do fair England a bit.
And can I just comment that that one hundred from
Brook the other day against against Pakistan, My lord, that
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was that was some innx, wasn't it.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
That was the main point is that the bowling group
will feel a hell of a lot more confident now.
I think they probably will have come from India a
bit shell shocked because even some of some of the
associate countries were not under pressure at all against them,
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and they were being hit quite comfortably around the ground
and they were trying all sorts of methods, but none
of them seemed to really work that well, and they
looked a bit bewildered by what to do, I felt
at times.
Speaker 6 (09:28):
And so.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
I think this has shown that the bowlers are very
much in the game in these conditions. I mean, the
seamers only got three overs and they picked up wickets
and they hardly went for any runs. I mean, you'd
wrap your arms around those two, wouldn't you, Ferguson and
Henry when you.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Start like that.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
And so I think those bowlers will get a lot
out of that game and they will feel, man, we're
in this if we get a good delivery.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Wherein with the chance.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
They seem to buy the plans, there was a period
it wasn't at the stars. It was out of the
stumps that that you know, there was they worked it
through and thought it through. I think that crandit's got
to be given to the two coaches and the staff
there as well.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Most definitely you talked about mconkie coming in as a
replacement for brace Ball, he was also a replacement basically
for Nichem. You know, to make the choice of taking
Nichem out of the game who can be a big
striker with the I'm not sure that his bowling is
quite up to what it should be or what it
has been, but he is a key player with a
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lot of experience and the death and there you bring
in mconkie. I'm interested by the man of the Match choice.
Russian Ravendro got four. We'll get some thirty. But to me,
the changing of the game and the winning moments of
the game came in the last four overs, that partnership
between Satna and McConkie. When you know they batted basically
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seven overs right to the last ball, and the last
four overs eighteen, twenty one, nine teen and twelve. To me,
man of the match comes out of Santa and McConkie.
I'm not decrying Revender. I'm glad to see him in
great form and he's a dominant player. But I'm just
one instance, picking in an instance in the game. It
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was that partnership that got New Zealand the victory, more
so to my mind than four for twenty seven. Maybe wrong, Yeah, well.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
They're both important words, aren't they. I can get your
point totally. Are you going to give it to McConkie
who started the hitting.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
We're getting eight.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
Off the sixteenth over and then the two sixers off
Tramira at the faster bowler to get the thing underway.
Or are you going to give it to the forty
seven from Satna who got four sixers?
Speaker 4 (11:54):
So so, I mean, you know that's quite a tricky
you're going to give it to them both wads, well,
a couple of medals. It's going to cost you a
bit more mate.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
The other one is, you know Revendra the case for
Revendra got a thirty year and then the third, fourth, fifth,
and sixth wickets, so he's ripped out the middle order
in his four overs.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Getting two wickets, one wicket and one wicket. So I
don't mind.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
I don't actually, to be honest, I don't care about
that stuff. Who gets the Man of the match as
long as they do their jobs, that's it for me.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Well, the interesting thing was that senta I giving it
to mconkie because Center almost ran himself out the first
ball that he faced and he was sent back by Mitchell,
which was probably one of the best calls of the night.
Perhaps Mitchell sending Sentner back from the possibility of being running.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
To Mitchell to michell a new field.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
It's whatever was good game under pressure that they're still
in the whole tournament.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Those are the key elements.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
Tough game against England, against a dangerous opponent, you don't know.
One day they look like a little furi animal and
the next day've got a raging.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Bear, you know.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
So, and they've got a number of players who can
really hurt you if they have a good, really good day.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
So a difficult opposition.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
But New Zealand have played there recently, they'll know the
sorts of games they have to play.
Speaker 7 (13:35):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
And I'm picking them to get through to the semifinals
anyway because on net run rate Pakistan, I've got a
hell of a job ahead of them. New Zealand has
a three plus three net run rate, Pakistan two points
behind them minus zero point four six. One really have
to put Sri Lanka to the sword to get through.
So I'm reading it that way and going with it,
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and hopefully in the end result the semi final will
be in Indian conditions rather than Sri Lankan conditions. Most
of you lookers, though, you've got a similar thought.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Are you with me? Well, I would never disagree with you.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
Brian, as you know, come on, it's all the most,
come off and stand up on those hind leagues.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
No, I do agree with you, and and I note
also that there is a a very very important game
later later today which will determine what happens with with India,
who are really really undercoming under pressure as regards run rate.
As you point out, Brian, quite correctly, New Zealand sits
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very nicely with quite a big differential in terms of
run rate, which which all things being equal to you
go through now India. If if India and South Africa
win their next couple of games, but South Africa play
West Indies today, this is a big game because if
if if West Indies get up over South Africa, India
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may not be there.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Ye yeah, well you know the West Indies are making
a strong claim, aren't they the way they've been playing,
and they have punishing batsmen. I think they've got a
good bowling attack as well pret variety scene and the
spinner Moti. But hit Meyer of course is a powerful
player who plays that short form of the game brilliantly.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
And I agree, and I think that they are a
chance against South Africa. But to me, South Africa. You know,
getting flogged New Zealand getting flogged a couple of weeks
ago by South Africa now doesn't look that bad when
when you see what they did to India, he was
the South African team's good. The way they went about
it against India, the way they worked out some of
the batsmen, how they bowled at them, very impressive. And
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you know there's some names there the go what's his name,
de Walt Brevis, young guy. They've got g whiz, they've
got they've got a very very good side, but they're
not giving the headlines.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
They're my favorite at the moment. Yeah, we're out.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
The thing for me, West Indies they take wickets.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
Scotland ten wickets, England they got ten wickets, Nepal they
got eight, Italy they got ten, Zimbabwe they got ten.
Now there are not many sides who have done that.
They also the runs that they've been getting one eighty
isn't huge. These are the ones in India one eighty two,
one ninety six, one thirty four for one beating Nepal
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and then Italy won sixty five and then Zimbabwe two
fifty four. So they have got that power, as you say,
the bowling bored very good, very good bowler Ford. And
then the two, well, they got three kind of spinners,
haven't they. Moti and Hassein both have taken wickets. Moti
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has ten wickets, Hossein has six so far. And then
you've also got Chase who might come in with all
the left left handers, you see, because he's an off spinner,
they might look at him as well, So keep an
eye on that one as well, Ramaria Shepherd. They didn't
even bowl him, Shama Joseph. They've got some good seamers there.
They've got pace, they can bowl short, they can bowl full.
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And then they as you say, they've got the hitters
hit Meyer two hundred and nineteen runs, Rutherford one to
eighty nine, Shepherd two hundred. They've got some good players
and they're playing well and confidently. And then you say
the South Africans very smart, big statement against India, wasn't it.
The thoughtful bowling, very appropriate on the black surface at
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arm and the bed on the pace of ingidee, pace
off all the time, four overs for fifteen over, sixty
percent dot balls and the power play five flower balls
and one over. It took abershek completely out of play,
and he's so important to the Indians because he buys
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time for the middle order because he scores so quickly.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
And you know, they always bowled over the wicket.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
To the left left handers going away from him, and
so he was reaching all the time, not bowling into
the hip and they had the deep extracover as well,
a good field against him particularly, so great execution Maharaj
bowling to Pandia bold wide, smart bowling again got him
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and so I just felt they were great, just batsmanship.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
They lost.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
Both teams lost three wickets in the power play and
then it was up to Brevis that you talked about,
and also a Stubbs was there as well.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Wasn't he and then Miller. So I just thought they
were smart.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Most definitely, and a lot more to play out in
this world T Tweed. He will be keeping close watch
on it. And we won't know New Zealand's place in
the semi finals until well they've played England on Saturday
morning New Zealand time, and then the Sunday fixture between
Pakistan and the host's Sri Lanka.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Yeah, Brian Waddell, Jeremy Coney on the front foot.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Last week we had news that Canterbury coach former black
Cap Peter Fulton was heading for a job at Lord's
Coaching Middlesex. While it was mentioned as failure to gain
an interview for the black CAP's job was a push
behind the decision, it was a combination of issues that
forced him to go offshore to gain valuable experience. Falter
has appeared on the front foot in the past, a
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man with positive views but a seemingly practical approach to
the coaching role, which will take him to what must
be considered as almost a dream job with an office
at the home of cricket lords. Is that fair to
say faults?
Speaker 7 (20:05):
Yeah, I think as you say, middleseat at Lord's.
Speaker 6 (20:10):
Yeah, delighted to I suppose to get the opportunity, but
also also equally aware that you know, there's been some
issues there and over the last few years and the
performances probably haven't been what you know, the club has
expected over a period of time. So yeah, I suppose
going in with my eyes wide open that yeah, it's
going to be a challenge.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Yeah, I guess you'll need to be wide open too,
because that's the sort of challenge you probably haven't experienced
to the same extent. You know, you're a Canterbury boy
and you've led Canterbury. You're a black Cap and you've
been a batting coach for the black Caps. Now you're
going into a totally different environment, don't you.
Speaker 7 (20:45):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 6 (20:46):
I think that's possibly a big reason, you know why
maybe I got the job because they're looking for a
fresh set of eyes and a fresh approach. But yeah,
there's going to be some different challenges as I as
I said, And yeah, one of them is going to be,
you know, forming relationships as quickly as possible.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yeah, And I guess that's one of the important things.
You can't come in shaking a big stick, can you
when you go into an role like that.
Speaker 7 (21:09):
No, I don't think so. I don't think so.
Speaker 6 (21:11):
Like I said, you've got to you've got to, you know,
I guess take a little bit of time to to
just sort of assess things and see how things run.
And you know, once you form those relationships and you
and you sort of I just garner a little bit
of trust, you know, then I suppose if there's things
that you know, I want to.
Speaker 7 (21:27):
Do differently, then we can look at that later. Later
on down the track.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
The Canopy job has basically come to an end, even
though you're still around the Cagbory team at the moment,
but you're you're heading off to Middlesex. Season probably didn't
end how you would have liked. Nice to have left
with a win and another trophy in the cabinet. But
when you look at the Canterbory side, have you achieved
as much as you want to achieve in the period
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of time you've been in charge.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
Look, I think you always always want to do more
and win more games. We've been We've been incredibly consistent
over the last five or six years. And that's and
that's despite I suppose, you know, having to draw on
a lone Japula players then maybe some of the other
major associations just by nature of the amount of black
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Cat players we've had. So yeah, like I said, it's
it's a it's a little bit of a double edged sword.
You know, we've got some very fine players, but a
lot of the time they're not at our disposal. So
really pleased with I guess the young players have come
through over the over the years, and you know, while
we've brought through those young players, we've still been able
to remain really competitive as well.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Trophies and winning things probably are an important part of
what you do, but you also have a responsibility, I
supposed to develop those players for higher honors and creating
those opportunities for them has seen something that Canterbury and
some of the other provinces have done as well.
Speaker 6 (22:52):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, that's part of the job to try
and I guess provide players that can that can you know,
play for his zeeland and then and then perform well.
So yeah, we've we've been lucky. We've been lucky enough
to do that over the last sort of five.
Speaker 7 (23:05):
Or six years, you know.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
And that's and that's that's as a coach, I suppose
that's ultimately what you what you really want to try
and do you want to try and help players get better?
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Do you have one set achievement that you're very proud
of or is it just the constant performances of the
side that you go through over a period of time
In terms of what you've been able to lead them through.
Speaker 7 (23:26):
I think probably just the level of consistency, you know.
Speaker 6 (23:29):
I think I think in the six years, you know,
the two whiteball competitions, the Ford Trophy and the Super Smash.
I think we've only missed the We've only missed the
final one one year out of those out of those,
out of those twelve finals appearances, So yeah, that level
of consistency is not easy for the players to do.
Speaker 7 (23:46):
They have to play a lot more games. There's no rest.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
You don't get a week or ten days off at
the end of a campaign to sort of reach out
to the battery.
Speaker 7 (23:54):
So yeah, that would probably be the thing that stands
out the most to me in.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Terms of coaching as opposed to being a player. Are
we putting our players too much in courtmore?
Speaker 7 (24:04):
Do you think?
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Or do they need to have a but a cop
more around them at times? As you a player, as
a player, you've probably experienced times when you might have
been you know, almost players to use by date for
a season or performance. Now players are getting more rest time,
aren't they.
Speaker 7 (24:21):
Yeah, they are.
Speaker 6 (24:22):
I mean they play a lot more cricket as well,
So it's a really fine balance. If you know, if
some of these players, that especially the ones that are
playing international cricket and franchise cricket, you know, if they
don't if they don't have those periods of rest then
something's going to give at some stage, and unfortunately, the
financial I guess rewards of franchise cricket probably dictate that
it might be the international game that suffers. So yeah,
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I don't I certainly don't envy the people that have
to make those decisions because, like I say, you're stuck
between a rock and a hard place.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Have you learned a lot of coaches you've gone along
as well?
Speaker 7 (24:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (24:56):
Absolutely, absolutely, I think you're always learning. There's always different
challenges every season. Every season is different, there's different scenarios
that pop up, There's you know, different players will have
different issues and things that they're working on or they
need help with. So yeah, I think always trying to
always trying to get better as a coach is the
same as you know, no different to a player trying
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to get better. And also, like I just mentioned, the
demands of the game now internationally, franchise cricket different things
around the world. Yeah, I suppose the perspective of the
players has changed to when I started, where it was
literally about playing for in my case, playing with Canobury
and trying to play for New Zealand and now and
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now there's a whole whole lot of other different opportunities
are out there, and young players come through now you know,
they want those opportunities.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
It's in the media last week that you took on
this role and applied for it because you didn't get
an interview for the black Caps role. Do you see
yourself perhaps being available for the black Caps in future
if it crops up?
Speaker 7 (26:05):
Yeah, I mean I don't. I don't.
Speaker 6 (26:07):
That wasn't That wasn't the sole reason why I applied,
you know, it probably it probably just gave me the
last little little push that I needed. But like I said,
I have no no hard feelings you know, around around
that process. It's the nature of professional sport, whether your
player or a coach. So yeah, that wasn't wasn't really
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the deciding factor. I just thought it would be a
great opportunity, you know, and a really exciting one as well.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
They talk about another sports coaches giving opportunities to coach
overseas and in a different environment, which can be of
a help to you if if you do come back
and take on a role here in New Zealand.
Speaker 6 (26:48):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's the that's the that's the
other that's the other real plus about the job, not
only is it a really good opportunity for myself in
the family. Yeah, I think later on down the line,
you know, whatever, you know, whatever coaching job I'm trying
to go into, I think this will be this will
be something that will hold me in good stead.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
You reflect on the last say five or six years
and your involvement in the coaching side, and of course
before that the matting coach with the Black Caps, what
do you see as the standard of the New Zealand
game At the moment? We seem to be doing pretty
well in a group and age group competitions without winning
titles and such like, but should be pretty happy with
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the way the game is developing in New Zealand and
the opportunities that arising for our leading players.
Speaker 6 (27:36):
Yeah, I think so, and I think that'll be the
balance moving forward for New Zealand Cricket is trying to
make sure that you know, there are still opportunities for
young players coming through to develop. You know, I've probably
said this multiple times to different people over the last
few years, but the domestic game in New Zealand gets
a bit of a bad rap because you know, not
a lot of people go to the ground to watch it,
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but it's still really around the country and the standard
of cricket is really really high, and you can see
that just over the last few years by the number
of players who have come from domestic cricket made their
international debuts and then performed really well. So so that's
a that's a great sign that it's preparing players for
the international game. And I suppose that's the balance moving
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forward is how can we how can we keep that
development of players as a priority while also trying to
I suppose, you know, grow the game and explore other
ways of making money.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
And I suppose that was highlighted on the weekend where
the two best sides were in the final of the
Ford Trophy, and it was actually an outstanding game of cricket,
but sadly there was no one there to enjoy it,
whether that be the lack of promotion or people have
other things to do. It was a good cricket and
show our game in a good spotlight, didn't it?
Speaker 7 (28:48):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (28:48):
It did?
Speaker 6 (28:48):
And I mean anyone who anyone who watched that game
that you know the century that Henry Nicols scored and
the century that Will Young scored, you know, you won't
you won't you won't see you won't see better batting
you know, in New Zealand at any level than what
we than what we saw on Sunday. So yeah, like
I said, pleased to have played my part over the
last few years and and trying to grow the grow
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the sort of talent pool in New Zealand and I
look forward to, you know, to seeing that continue in
the future.
Speaker 7 (29:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
One final question, there's been major discussions and even controversy
I suppose about our white ball competition, the Super Smash.
No real indication of what's going to happen in terms
of for what where New Zealand Cricket are going to
go if you got an idea on what you would
like to see in terms of the development because T
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twenty cricket is still part of the framework, isn't it.
Speaker 6 (29:40):
Yeah, absolutely, and we'll only continue to probably become more
important over the years. So really a really tough decision
I think for New Zealand Cricket, trying to balance I
suppose the financial sort of future of the game and
making sure that they're looking after that, but also from
a playing point of view, what are the what's the
best way to keep developing cricketers.
Speaker 7 (30:02):
That can play for New Zealand.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
So yeah, not a not an easy balance, I suppose
from my point of view, I just hope that, like
I say, the overall, the overall growth of the game
and the development of the game hopefully is at the
forefront of everyone's minds, you know, because it seems like
maybe up until this point, personalities have sort of come
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into it and clash of personalities. So hopefully, hopefully everyone
can get on the same page and make sure that
the growth in the future of the games, you know,
the number one priority.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
And do you have a sense what the players feel
where I mean, it's obviously some players are prepared to
talk about it, other's probably within the cricket chircle. Have
you got a sense what the players would like? Do
they want to be part of the BBL or do
they want to have our own competition in New Zealand.
Speaker 6 (30:49):
I think the sense I get from the players is
they would like to have our own competition in New Zealand,
and I suppose that would probably be my preference as well.
But it's just I suppose, again, as I said, finding
the balance between the financials and making sure they all
stack up, because I think if we have our own
competition in New Zealand that benefits more players overall. If
we have a big Bash team, then that'll be a
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real benefit to a few players. But that probably poses
the question then what happens to all the other players
and the young players on the domestic circuit who aren't
quite good enough to make a big batch side you.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Some fair points made thereby Peter Fulton an interesting view
on the T twenty proposal for New Zealand. He favors
the New Zealand competition rather than a and as he says,
many of the players favor as well, rather than being
part of the BBL. Or do you make of all that?
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Maybe there's more money involved for the players under the
local one because of cash from overseas. For all concerned,
self interest is a big motivator and these sorts of
things I find.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
That often prompts people to make certain decisions. I'm sure,
and it's it's so we'll have to wait and see,
I guess Jerry, won't we because we just don't know
where they're going. They're having a lot of talks, but
nothing seems to be emerging.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
Yeah, we just don't know Wadd's I've tended to favor
the BBL because from the players perspective, yes, it would
take away a few players, but I think it gives
a pathway for those decent news And if I was
a player and I was playing T twenty cricket, I'd
(32:38):
be very keen to try and get into that New
Zealand side if it was over in the BBL.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
It gives me a way to get there.
Speaker 5 (32:45):
And the quality and the crowds and all the things
we've spoken about, the practice facilities, the sides of the ground,
the pressure on you.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
It can only bring out the best in you as a.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
Player, more so than doing it because we're not going
to get I know he may feel folks may feel
that it's going to bring New Zealand players, our black cats,
back into the T twenty.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
I don't think it will. I think they'll.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
Already stay outside. They're already there, aren't they. There are
four or five of them there at the Big Bash. Already.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
There are lots going to the South African T twenty.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
They go to the ILT twenty, which you're on at
the same time, all established competitions, all paying better than
they're getting here.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Picking up on your points here and what in my
reflection about self interest in so just before, I just
can't And I've heard it from people who've been seem
to be apparently quite heavily involved in the in the
T twenty game that no, no, the investors will be patient.
(33:58):
I don't always find that's the case. They'll be patient.
They give this example of the West Indian League, which
was lost making for a long period of time and
now apparently it's it's it's making money. I have no idea.
I just take them at their word, but I just
cannot see how when one looks at and perhaps we're
going to cover it later, we've got two very fine
(34:20):
games with four very very good sides, the best size
in our one day competitions at the base Rezoo in
lovely weather and no one's there. So when you want
to then roll out a significant and large and maybe
it's purely around TV and television rights, is what's driving
this on the domestic twenty twenty. Perhaps that's what it is,
(34:41):
But I just can't see it. I would have thought,
as you rightly say, Jarie, that pathway that's been that
is available and you're part of I think what looks
like a much better and more exciting competition in the
in the in the the Big Bash. And also, can
I just say it would mean a lot more of
our players are playing in Australia and that might be
(35:03):
a good thing that one day we might go over
there and beat them. Yeah, little things like that in
the back of my head. I just can not to
the life of me, and perhaps I'm just old guard.
I just can't see how one would get grounds that
are going to be in any way, shape or form
full of spectators And probably comes back to TV rights.
But are you going to get the players? Do you
(35:24):
know they were already committed? I just but but maybe
someone's going to fill in the gaps for me. So
that's that's that's my view. I'm where you are, Jerry
on this one very much.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
What you went to the final line thinking on that
final day? Most has already mentioned the spectators. What what
was the story there?
Speaker 2 (35:46):
There was no story because there were no spectators. Well
there were a couple and I.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
Well that's a story.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (35:52):
This is this is the final of our od I competition,
probably the best format that New Zealand play. Now I
can understand them choosing Wellington. This seems to be a
kind of a current way of these tournaments where all
the teams go to one venue.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
I guess it's on the basis of cost.
Speaker 5 (36:13):
And it could have been Wellington men as well, but
they were knocked out in the Illuminator, weren't they It
left It left the Wellington women there as well for
the final. But what are we talking guys? I didn't
watch it, I'm sorry, but what are we talking about?
Two three hundred people maximum for these for this final
(36:35):
of our main format.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Pretty much the thing about it, of course, and it's
to my mind it's thoroughly disappointing. It's free to get in,
so it doesn't cost anybody anything free, it's free, you
get in for nothing. You get the facilities at the ground,
you can buy a beer, you can have a feed.
But no one went along, and because they don't seem
to want to promote it at ENNGCA level, there was
(37:00):
no real promotion. People were saying, oh, I didn't know
it was on, and I can fully understand what they're saying,
but as you say, it's it's the final of our
premiere fifty over competition for both men and women. The
four best teams were there. Wellington Women versus Northern Districts
thoroughly deserved winners. And they also had Central Districts and
(37:23):
Canterbury playing a three hundred side game which was outstanding.
But to my mind the umpiring was not up to
the sort of standard. I think they should have the
best umpires there, they should have television, they should have drs.
And don't tell me it's the cost, because they can
waste money on a scoring system that no one ever
wanted to be part of to get megabucks spent on it.
(37:48):
I just find that it's downplaying the quality of our
premier tournament. And you know that's my bouncer. I've just
delivered off a long run?
Speaker 5 (38:00):
Was it?
Speaker 4 (38:00):
Wadd's? Was the whole day good? Was it well run?
Because it's not run by the Wellington you know places.
Speaker 5 (38:09):
I mean it's running really by New Zealand Cricket. That
that competition and that day.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
It's their responsibility, but they use Wellington of course to
do the work around the ground and everything.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Right, In terms of getting people on the park, the
wather was as good as you can get in Wellington,
bearing in mind a little bit of wind that came
in at odd times for that comes wherever you go.
But I just you know, to my mind that if
they should have the same final for the fifty over
(38:42):
competition as they had for their Super Smash which was
at Hagley Oval, And to me, I think it's underplaying
the club and domestic finals that they have and the
players deserve better.
Speaker 5 (38:56):
To my mind, sounds like just just the families turned
up from the from the from the teams.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
Yeah, I mean it was it good community with the crowd.
Speaker 5 (39:09):
Was that did you sit in the heavily congested one
bay of seats that the people that I was all.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Met for coffee was no, I've got a coffee when
I wanted one. I was able to get a quiet
beer on the side as well. But then they presented
the prizes and the microphone didn't work in terms of
the loud speaker system, so no one could hear a
young lady who has a very quiet voice speaking at
(39:38):
the end about her team's performance. I mean, all those
sorts of things to me are totally amateurish.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
On the front foot with Waddle and Cody on a.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Civil subject, a short form credit one hundred sixty seven
players from Pakistan are among those who have registered for
next month's one hundred auction, though England Test captain Ben
Stokes hasn't signed up. Pakistan players are not being considered
by four Indian in side in the auction that comes
(40:10):
up on the eleventh and twelfth of March. Michael Vaughan
says England has to act fast because omitting players based
on their nationality shouldn't be allowed to happen in Harry Brook,
who is a part of an Indian owned side, the
Sunrises or the Superchargers as are known, says it would
be a shame if they're not considered once again. Jerry,
(40:32):
it's a situation of politics over sport, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (40:39):
Well, it's certainly pretty much at the center of what
we're about to discuss. The ECB have got themselves in
quite a tricky position by inviting the Indian owners and
the money that they have in to the hundred and
having sold summer at the best time when you could
(41:02):
actually play test cricket. It's a pretty open secret that
the Indian owners haven't in the past invited Pakistani players
to play in their sides. Of course, last year in
the dwasim the Pakistani played for the Northern Superchargers, which
(41:22):
is one of the teams that has been bought by
the Indian owners. They're now called Leads Sunrises, I think.
But look, the patterns are there for people to see
if you go through two or three competitions, and we
all know that the Indian owners have moved around the world.
They've moved beyond India itself. SA twenty all six teams
(41:44):
are owned by Indian owners. No Pakistanian in four years,
six teams in the ILT twenty in Dubai, six teams,
no Pakistan players. CPL has three teams owned by Indian owners,
the one hundred, this one has four teams. You just
told us that the MLC has four teams as well.
(42:05):
So the consume that the e c B who have
made deals with these Indian owners who have purchased the
team's forty nine percent or more, are now in the
position where they could be held accountable on hostage outside
you know their influences, and it's going to be very
(42:27):
difficult to prove those owners who have influence in the
squad selection that they are entitled to select who what
they want, can't they They'll always prove that and say no, no, no,
it was a cricket matter. It's well nigh impossible to
nail them down. We wanted that tall right hand who
(42:47):
fields slip and can back up keeper. We want the
left arm quick who can hit. You know, you can
give all sorts of reasons to exclude the Pakistan players.
And I think it's actually I think from a it's illegal.
From the perspective of employment law.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
It's hard to think that there wouldn't be a law
in the UK which says that you you can't exclude
people because you've got freedom of movement. I mean there
was in football back in the nineties there was a
thing called the Bossman Ruling which which came into play,
which allowed freedom of movement and such like, and and
and and I cannot think that you know, you could
(43:32):
apply to the European Rights Human Rights Commissioned because you're
you're your ability to earn earn an income and all
those sorts of opportunities. But you're But it comes back
to the fact, as you say, Jerry, hey, I'm I'm
the owner of this and it's my capital and other
side who plays, Because are you going to tell me
you can't do that? Surely the ECB must have known
(43:56):
that was a possibility. I mean, no one would be
that that that naive, would they? But they have been
blinded by the cash and the capital one things.
Speaker 4 (44:06):
Yep they have.
Speaker 5 (44:08):
It's the same with Azim Rafique Moose. He was from
Yorkshire and off spinner and you know he charged institutional
racism and bullying at Yorkshire was set. It was you know,
the ECB held an inquiry, Six players and coaches were sanctioned.
(44:29):
The Yorkshire senior executives resigned. The Yorkshire were banned from
having an international matches there for a while. So they're
very much you know, they have clear anti discrimination policies
in place. They've sent emails to all the teams. But
I'll tell you what, they won't be able to prove it.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
And look.
Speaker 5 (44:51):
To me, Cricket's a game where you're supposed it's supposed
to be something to bring people together.
Speaker 4 (44:56):
Isn't it not separate them, not to keep them apart.
Speaker 5 (45:00):
It's something that's it's one of the best things about
it that you connect with people and you combine people
and you knit people together.
Speaker 4 (45:07):
You don't divide them.
Speaker 5 (45:08):
And the easyb chant and Lord this loudly across the UK.
I mean, if you go back and you see players
like Wakar and Saklain and as a mum mood, they've
all played, they've all played in the county Championship and
it won't be a good look for the ECB, whether
(45:30):
it's all inclusive cluit a policy, if these sides, despite
all the protestation of innocence and so on, that no
Pakistani players selected for any of those three.
Speaker 4 (45:42):
Or four sides.
Speaker 5 (45:44):
The wider group of England supporters who don't like they
in fact, they hate this one hundred competition as a
format and they hate it using up August as the
best part of summer for some frivolous little sixteen point
four over game called one hundred, you know, for a proper, serious,
(46:04):
sensible cricket like those called tests.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
Is there a danger that this situation could develop in
New Zealand if there is a New Zealand T twenty
they're looking for financial backing. Will the Indians put money
into sides in a competition here? Will they put money
into the BBL in Australia? And will they apply the
same issues to teams chosen here? If they want to
(46:32):
put Pakistan players in New Zealand or people of Pakistan origin.
Speaker 3 (46:38):
You can see the template being rolled out, can't you
around the world. So if that were to be the case,
you'd be You'd be You'd be kidding yourself if you
didn't think that that wasn't going to play out, if
there was such a competition in New Zealand to be
here and yeah, at the cost of the Pakistani plays.
(47:00):
The question that I would have, Jerry, is if I
am a person of in saying living in brad and
I'm a good cricketer, and i am a person of
Pakistani heritage, but I'm actually a British citizen, how could
they just how could they exclude me? Could they exclude me?
(47:22):
If you follow what I'm saying, I'm my parents are
Pakistani and their immigrants. But there are a lot of
people in Yorkshire in particular in other places who are
dinky dye born and bred in the UK. Would it
would do you think that the the distinctions drawn would
would play down to that because they wouldn't be able
(47:43):
to exclude a British citizen. Would they.
Speaker 5 (47:48):
A short answer, I don't know, but I would suspect
that they would. The owners would come under pressure political
pressure from the BCCI and others when they saw a
Pakistani player who looked like a Pakistani player out playing
in those teams. That's just a guess total guests from me,
(48:12):
and it is only speculation. But I would say from
here wants to answer your question. You won't see any
Indians because they are not allowed to go and play
another leagues. They can only be eligible for the IPL.
There will be no Pakistanis. I wouldn't have thought from
what we've seen. They don't allow them in South Africa,
(48:32):
they don't allow them in to buy, they don't allow
them in the CPL. Will they allow them in England.
We don't wait, and we'll wait and see. There'll be
no Pakistanis. There'll be no Bangla dishes probably either.
Speaker 3 (48:44):
Well, so yeah, it'spot on Jerry. Yeah, yeah, you haven't
included you abungl the dishes.
Speaker 7 (48:52):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (48:53):
Is it Allentenna consequences or what we could have foreseen?
I don't know, but it's probably situation.
Speaker 2 (49:01):
Yeah, probably a bit of both. We'll probably know the
answer on the eleventh or twelfth of March when the
auction goes up for players one hundred and you'll be
looking forward to that, Jerry, I know how much you
enjoy thee hundred and you'll be watching closely.
Speaker 5 (49:16):
Point sixteen point four please, yeah, yeah, the sixteen point four.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
Well, never bind, Let's have twenty over a side. We've
got England coming up, We've got semi finals. I see
New Zealand playing in both because they've got to play
England and I'm sure that they will qualify win or
lose against England. That's the way I see it at
the moment. You'll be watching in the middle of the night,
of course, moosas as you do most of the time.
Speaker 3 (49:43):
Oh yeah, I'm absolutely yeah, revetted and pinned. Yeah, but
I can see you looking at you say that this
has become I've actually got really initiate. I wasn't so
sure about this another twenty twenty World Cup. Actually, I'm
finding this quite interesting because of the Tier two teams
which played pretty well, were competitive, great for the opportunities
(50:06):
for them, and now we're in an interesting face. So
there's there's a lot playing on this. It's you know,
I'm you know, I'm into it surprisingly.
Speaker 5 (50:15):
As well as it's a bit of as long as
there's a bit of jeopardy I like the fact that
they are different conditions. I've always thought that the condition
should determine things, and it is certainly is in you know,
differently in India and in and in Sri Lanka. A
bit more batsmanship required in Sri Lanka running ones, running
(50:36):
two's hard because of the bigger ground.
Speaker 4 (50:38):
Find gaps.
Speaker 5 (50:40):
Make sure you don't have many dot ball all that stuff,
lower the dot ball percentage.
Speaker 4 (50:44):
So I get, I get.
Speaker 5 (50:46):
I don't know. I don't watch in the middle of
the night fellas. Sorry, the glue is run out in
the seat, and so I don't. I don't sit there
any longer.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
Your bed in the lounge, okay, have you got your
bed in the lounge?
Speaker 4 (50:58):
Well you move, you know, you move your TV into
the bedroom.
Speaker 3 (51:02):
I know what you do.
Speaker 4 (51:04):
That's that's easy.
Speaker 5 (51:07):
Then taking well done on the third grandchild, wards, I'm
sure you had a lot.
Speaker 7 (51:12):
To do with it.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
Well, I had. I had some passing interest a few
years back. It's it's nice three grandsons now answered, I've
got all the top three. Yeah, I've got a front
row for the All Blacks or the first three batsmen
for the black Caps, one way or the other. All right, guys,
Thanks very much for your time again, and talk again
(51:35):
after the semi final.
Speaker 4 (51:38):
YEA, well, let's hope, so cheers me in.
Speaker 2 (51:44):
Summer.
Speaker 4 (51:51):
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