March 10, 2026 • 36 mins
This week on On the Front Foot, Bryan Waddle and Jeremy Coney review the WT20 Final, looking at what the Black Caps need to do to take that final step.
Plus, they discuss a Kiwi bowler’s once in nearly 250 years record, and the two legends of the women’s game who are calling it quits.
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Another world title slipped from the black Cats grass, but
notice gray in coming seconds on the Front Foot. This
week goes back over the World T twenty with Masterstroke
by Razine helping you master your decorating projects. A world
first in our domestic game, the first player in the
long history of all first class creers to take five
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writes in five bore and in fact six in eight.
It's the total of seven to twelve better than just once.
Something special. Had a chance to reflect on two significant
achievements in the women's game, but it's back to the
review of the World T twenty, beaten in the final
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by an Indian side who are now going to have
to withstand social media because there's a lot of people
getting at them about the quality of bats they're using,
jasprick bloomber chucks, and just about everything is being thrown
at them because of the poor losers. What Eric and Jerry,
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they deserve to win that game. New Zealand had a
chance by winning a toss, but they just didn't bowl
well enough to they.
Speaker 5 (01:59):
No, that's probably fair. It was pretty comprehensive win for India,
wasn't it. The power play kind has summed it up.
Ninety or something like that without loss for India and
forty five for three or so for New Zealand.
Speaker 6 (02:13):
So half the runs and about a.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
Third of the wickets. So yeah, New Zealand bob poorly.
Nothing kind of seemed to work, did it? Pace off,
it was hit, Then they went short and that was hit.
Then they went wide hole and that was either a
wide or a hit. Nineteen fours and eighteen six's. I mean,
you know in India also got that extra over with
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the wides, didn't they. So yeah, two fifty five just
wags on you. You know, the way you got to play.
I mean you can't even see off the power player
after your two down and get say eight or nine
and over up until the ninth or the tenths and
so you've still got some of your batting resources to
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go for the last eleven overs in your innings. Yeah,
I mean even if you go at eight or nine
and over, that's if it's nine, it's eighty one, that
still leaves you one hundred and seventy five to get.
So you still in the next eleven overs needs sixteen
runs and over, or if it's eight it then you
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need sixteen points seven runs. So it kind of rules
that out and you just got to keep going and
don't forget. If you've got eleven ods, two of those
overs are going to be from boomer, aren't they. So
you have to keep going. And simply their bowlers had
more skill than ours.
Speaker 7 (03:38):
Yeah, and they played the conditions.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
They had the crowd behind them, they had everything going
their way, and of course they'd scored two hundred and
fifty previously and defended that against England. So Peter Holland,
who's back with this and been enjoying the World T twenty.
Speaker 7 (03:56):
It was.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
It was a performance that deserved them the title. And
New Zealand really can come away with some credit, can't they.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
I think that's basically when the script didn't it was
how it was supposed to be. It was how it
was planned from the outset, as.
Speaker 6 (04:12):
We all do.
Speaker 8 (04:15):
If you're talking about the way the tournament was organized
and the pictures and the grounds and that, are you okay, Well.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Maybe that's been a little bit sort of our tongue
in cheekish a bit, but it did rather go to
script and what we didn't have. And I recall the
last time there was a significant one day at that
same round, there was a certain player who took the
game away from India, Travis Head. We didn't have one
of those this time. We had one last last week
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against South Africa and that was that was a phenomenal performance.
But you need one of those really. But as you say, Jerry,
when you're staring down the barrel at two fifty glass,
you can't make a mistake, you know, and things have
got to go your way. Yeah, the half hit that
just dropped through the middle, that sort of stuff, I
must say, when what ching it the ball against? When
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in India were batting, the ball just kept whizzing out
of the park. It was just as you said eighteen
six is it just kept going and no matter what
you did, as you said, whenever they try it went.
There's one particular shot that I saw Karter hit and
back in the olden days when you were playing Jerry,
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he couldn't hit them. Apparently this is a low full toss. Well,
Henry by one of those, and he just literally wizzed
it out of the park dead flat, six runs, Thanks
very much. I mean that that's sort of to me
something up. I thought it's their.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Day, yeah, and they played accordingly. They fitted into the
style of play. They're specialists at that. Some of those
players will never see the light of day in the
Test match arena. Some have, but they've got it down
to an art. Question being posed, is anybody going to
beat them? Well, you know, it doesn't matter whether or
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not it's a tournament.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
Well South Africa did. Yeah, South Africa beat them and
stuffed them. You know, so it is possible. Maybe maybe
not on those kinds of surfaces where the ball does
such a little. I mean, I've got to say that
as far as their bowlings was concerned, I saw ash
Deep and Pandia. Pandia went for twenty one off his
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first over, but the next three went for fourteen and
so that was it. He came back pulled it back.
But they both swing the ball, and they both swing
the ball both ways. Now you know Aksha Patel. So
so you've got two opening bowlers swinging the ball in
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or out. Now, none of our bowlers do that, and
it's something we have to sort of look at to
upskill ourselves just a bit too. Actua Patel came on
very quick, skiddy, tight line delivered so that the ball
comes off the smooth part of the ball and not
the seam, so it skids at you and stays low.
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And our players tend to hang back against spin bowling,
so it's.
Speaker 6 (07:22):
Hard to get underneath.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
And you know, then you have someone like Boomra bowling
those deceptive slower deliveries right hitting the base of the stumps.
He went for three point seventy five runs and over
you know those that is skill. One of their our
nineteen overs was bowled by abershek Heaven's sake anyway, So
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they just had a bit too much control. They had
the big runs behind them and never never, the innings
never got going, did it. We lost wickets third, fourth, fifth, eighth, ninths,
so we were five down for eighty odd and the
nineteen cent and was in you know, so we hit
we were either trying to hit six's and got out
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Allen and Seifered and Mitchell, or we were deceived Ravendra,
or there was pace on and quite wide Chapman dragging
it back on or the reoccurring issue of Phillip's getting
one passed in between Bat and padd He was bold
a lot in this tournament. So New Zealand, I'm afraid
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played their final last week. It wasn't this game. It
was just a game early.
Speaker 7 (08:34):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
That's one of the things about that kind of competition too,
isn't it that they have to live with that. But
you know, they come home and they've done They've done
an excellent job. To my mind, they were second and
clearly second, and that's just something they have to live
with it as a T twenty tournament and there's a
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whole a lot of luck goes with it, but when
you're playing, as you say, most in Indian conditions, you're
always up against it as well.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
I don't think enough can be said about Boomra the
version of the game bit test bit one day. That
player is quite freakish in what he can do. I
think we just should celebrate that, sit back and watch because,
as you say, Jerry, those deceptive slow ball yalk is
that clearly are really hard to pick, and he bowls
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them with such control it's really impressive. The other thing
that I think that where we lack as well as
is that we don't have those deceptive spins like you
call deeps and so on, who trouble you particularly in
those conditions. We've got your orthodox soft spinner, you've got
a left arm spinner. But that I'm a dosen for
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the for a lot of the players these days. You know,
there's nothing there's nothing mysterious about what we bring to it.
I mean we bring we bring vigor and discipline and
so on. But against this sort of onslaught, if you like,
you're really not You're struggling, aren't you. But that's said,
if you lined all the teams up, I still don't
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think that we're the second best of that group. England
probably played probably overall better than we to South Africa.
Certainly on their form were better. It's actually to get
where we got to should be considered them definite pass mark.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
We've been doing it consistently, haven't we reaching those finals
and or reaching the last four getting a past mark,
but not really being able to go the full distance.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
No, I think I think, you know, I think our
bowl is I mean, our seam has kind of struggled
a bit, didn't they, Henry apart, you know, ten wickets
and eight innings an economy rate of eight and eight
point twenty five. So you extrapolate that out, that's a
total of one sixty five and that's a that's a
very chasable target.
Speaker 6 (10:56):
I would have thought these days.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
So and one point twenty five wickets every innings, that's
not too bad.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
But then you look at the others.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
Ferguson nine point nine seven, Jamison ten point two five,
Nicheum ten point six y five, Duffy ten point eight seven.
So that's all between between our other semens. That's between
two a total of two hundred and two hundred and twenty.
And that's that's starting to push the envelope a bit,
isn't it. I feel so that Henry did his job,
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bowling in the power play, bowling at the death revender.
Terms of spin stood up in the absence of Bracewell.
Most wickets for New Zealand twelve wickets, seven point eight
for the economy. Rate did really well in Sri Lanka,
didn't he. That's one point seven wickets pir innings for him,
and if he's extrapolate the runs out, it's one point
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fifty six. In fact, the spinners did slightly better than
the seamers in those terms of run rates. Phillips at nine,
mccontchie at the nine point five centnern is an interesting one,
isn't it. Right from the start you felt that teams
were sitting on them. They didn't want to lose wickets
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to Mitchell Satner, so they saw him as a threat
and they played him more cautiously. Centiner twenty eight overs,
just two wickets and.
Speaker 6 (12:23):
And seven innings.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
That's just seven fours and so point two of a
wicket each game. But you get that run rate six
points sixty one and that's a total of one hundred
and thirty two if you if you push that out.
So even though he didn't get the wickets, he did
a job for New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Well, I don't think there's any question. I think that's
that's that's spot on, Jack. I mean, if you keep
if you at run rates, as you said, on an
average of a round about six. I mean that's as
good as getting wickets, isn't it. Yeah, that's the reality
of it. And and as you say, you strapped light
it out in that little termine what you're going to
look like and what you're going to be chasing. He's
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a class act and across the board fields. I really
like your style, Captain.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
See.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
I like to see more of it, not just in
the one day as perhaps who knows, but no, and
I think you're right here. They did sit on a
bit because yeah, he was a threat. But I just
think that bottombers, bottom liners. I think that we just
got thumped and in those conditions we needed one which
was which was doing it Travis Head for us, and
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that didn't happen today, it happened last week.
Speaker 7 (13:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Well they've had that problem, I guess, have a period
of time and you need one, two, three four to
do it, not just one. It always seemed as though
India had somebody who could get eighty off twenty one balls.
But you know, it's NonStop for the black Caps. Now
South Africa are almost here. They've picked aside well a
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women's side to play against South Africa and Tea twenties
and New Zealand will have this when they get home.
I presume just about home. It's been hard getting out
of India. The West Indies had to wait over a
week or something to get a flight out. No one
bothered to think about getting them home, so they had
to sit it. India England got a charter flight out
and away they went. And there's been a lot of
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a lot of controversy around that. But are we destined
to have to accept that this is what T twenty
Championships are going to be like now? Ground announcements constantly,
mid over lights, laser beams, Hollywood promotion and all sorts of.
Speaker 7 (14:39):
Gimmicks that are being part of the game. Do we
have to put up? Is that the way it's going
to be?
Speaker 3 (14:43):
I think so, Brian, I suspect it is. There seemed
to be one hundreds of thousand people had a man
of a bad who weren't complaining. They seem pretty happy.
But yeah, I can't see that changing anytime soon. It's
it's what is it? It's you know, it's a fan,
it's fan entertainment. That's what apparently we want. That's what
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you want?
Speaker 5 (15:07):
Clearly, Well, I can't see Waddle sitting towards the back
rows of a stand, listening to those screaming zealots on
a mic urging him to stand.
Speaker 6 (15:25):
Up, and ooh, are who who are.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
Knocking over his neighbour's coffee as he does so?
Speaker 6 (15:33):
Or their eggs sandwich onto the ground?
Speaker 7 (15:36):
Kiss cam? What about kiss camp? Did they have that?
Speaker 6 (15:39):
I don't know what the hell that means?
Speaker 2 (15:41):
And that's when you get caught out kissing somebody you're
not supposed to be kissing.
Speaker 6 (15:45):
Oh I see, Oh, well that's that you can mistake that.
Speaker 7 (15:50):
Haven't you heard of the cold Blake?
Speaker 5 (15:51):
But I just I just thought it was nauseating all
that stuff. I mean it was it was distorting. I
don't know what gen they're called now, what letter comes
after it?
Speaker 6 (16:02):
They started at X and it seemed to get to
Z very quickly.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
But I mean, it's it's rather different, I've got to say,
than the gentle, decorous, kind of interesting Indians I met
in the late nineteen eighties when I was there. It's
very different nowadays, isn't it. Maybe it's just a format.
Who knows, But I tell you what wats and I
I guess we won't be in the back seats all
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we wants.
Speaker 7 (16:30):
I certainly won't be. In fact, I've got the monume
turned down anyway.
Speaker 6 (16:34):
Me too. We're getting very old now too.
Speaker 7 (16:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
I think that's probably part of it as well. But
the pictures came in forth some stick and this is
where you're going to be very careful of social media.
Matt Henry was quoted as having some comment to make
about the pictures in the Middenings Break. But I listened
to it and he never said anything about the pictures.
And the question was asked, don't know who approves such pictures,
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but it was taken up by Nasa Hussein and he
basically got into the VCCI and the ICC because they
seem to be so much entwined. He said, India scored
literally ninety two runs in the powerplay, which you don't
see most often in cricket match. You've got to give
something to the bowlers too as well. This isn't cricket.
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It's manipulation. The spirit of the game is being slapped.
If this keeps happening, no one will trust the game anymore.
It's a complete disgrace. Well, it is a manipulation and
at your point, Jeremy from a previous podcast. The bowlers
have to get something, don't they.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
Well, if you want to have a cricket equation, yes,
they'll say. Well, they do get something and they get
a new ball. And that's why I mentioned swinging the
ball away. The Indians were capable of swinging it in
and out. Our bowlers, I think, are a little bit
set on waiting for the grass or something to assist them,
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so they seem it. We tend to be a seam
dominated kind of attack. Can't niem swing the ball? You
tell me what I don't think, for example, we should
have all seamers. We should have people who can swing it. Now,
Duffy can a bit. Why can't he swing it in?
Is that his action?
Speaker 6 (18:22):
You know?
Speaker 5 (18:23):
I just feel we need to be upskilled individually if
we want to be able to go to places like India,
which doesn't grow grass that well all they don't want
to do it anyway, especially in T twenty matches. So look,
I feel for the bowlers, I do, But you've just
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got to skill yourself up, don't you. You've got to
be able to be more accurate at the variety of
deliveries because if we don't swing it straight, it's dead. Straight,
and that means you're relying now on pace or links
or the combination.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
And pace doesn't seem to be an issue. I mean,
Ferguson just like it. They love it it. It just goes,
doesn't it.
Speaker 7 (19:12):
Yeah, Ferguson went for forty eight.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
The issue with swing, though, of course, in the past,
was something that the bowlers didn't want to do because
the ball would swing down the leg side by it
where you go, and so they tried to make it
such that the bowlers weren't swinging it to any great degree.
All right down leg side is understandable, though sometimes I
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think that the wives are called and it's just because
the batsman is not good enough to hit them that
they get called wide. But you know, does that now
matter that we need to be able to get that
swing and control the swing.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Most look, I think that there's just something that says
same same as what we tend to be a little
bit of. As Jerry said, we've basically got fast medium
bowlers on these sort of wickets just just cann't follow
for these For these players, you need a point of difference.
That's what Jasper will are brinks, It's what Aksa the
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brings swinging both swinging both ways. You need to bring
something different otherwise straight and quick. That's just that's just
not it's not a challenge we all, as I said
touchdown before, we don't have a really clever, deceptive, a
spinner or two, whereas the Indians seem to have a
few of them, don't they. You've got to have a
point of difference, especially when you're at these flat decks,
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because it's just it's just too easy and and you're
relying on them making mistake and these players are too good.
They're not going to make those sort of mistakes. And
even if one does, you've got three or four others
are going to come in and and continue to whack
you because they go long way down, don't they India
or teams like that, as do teams like for that matter,
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so Africa, they definitely go long way down in batting.
Even for that matter, with Jack's coming in when he
does a six, seven and eight and song, So we
need something different in our bowling and hopefully that's what
they go they take away from the tournament that we're
going to look for that do we have those sort
of players outside of the current crop that we've got
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I'm not sure. I don't know. Perhaps you've seen more
than I have.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Bright Yeah, well, I mean they're probably there. It's a
development thing. They've got to be playing more of that
form of cricket, I suppose. And that's what they talk about.
A T twenty competition here and getting players set for
T twenty. That's what India have, don't they. Many of
their test players don't front up. There's the odd one
or two, the boomra but in terms of their batting,
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it's basically dominated by T twenty specialists and we don't
have quite the same number of people I suppose to
play our game.
Speaker 7 (21:52):
But you know, it's the.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Thing is, there'll be another World T twenty competition one
in a couple of weeks, won't they. They'll be starting
another one, aren't they.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
But someone was quite clever they there's anythings. They organized
a competition themselves, a twenty twenty competition. It seems to
have gone quite well, and the place you have come
out of that that go on to be quite useful
at the international level. Maybe it's a coincidence.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
There are rewards there for individual you know, skills and
a wider range of accuracy. They'd been there were how
many weeks would they have been there? Sort of nearly
three or three or four weeks New Zealand have anyway,
you haven't done so what why would they Why would
they not have learned in that time with a new
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ball that they don't as they're going to bowl an
in the swinger it go, it won't go down leg
I see. I I just I just feel an outswinger
will take it, will beat the outside education and go
through to the keeper. You know, it'll an in swinger
will hit the pads perhaps you know, and they might
get a single for a leg by, but that's it.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
If you get a single, that's a that's a win,
isn't it.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
So I just feel or you head an outside middle
from an outswinger and they can't control that and you.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
Might get a catch.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
So I just feel we need to be doing a
little bit more with the ball rather than just seeming
it and conditions that don't seem and so it restricts
us too much to either we don't bowl many Yorkers.
We don't trust our ability to do that. We go
try to go wide and we end up bowling too wide.
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So just the accuracy I don't think is quite is
quite there at the moment, but the rewards are there,
and so I just feel we can't keep on relying
on green seamers, that's all.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
Yeah, I mean, I'm not blaming the players.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
It's not easy, but I just feel that they need
to just upskill as much as they can.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Yeah, well, we keep developing a swinging conditions, I guess
in New Zealand, don't we So yeah, we shouldn't. And
they managed to do things with the ball when it's
roughed up now rather than the shiny side and the
side that's been worn down. That's the way balls used
to be developed by balls, wasn't it. The old hand
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would go around and try and get one side shiny.
So it's a different skill now.
Speaker 6 (24:34):
I get all that.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
I just I think it's just as a little general comment,
I think our bowling was a bit samey, a wee
bit samey, and a wee bit straight, do you know
what I mean? Get it to dip, get it to
turn a bit, get it to you know, all those things.
Get it to do some things that they that you
impart at your end so that it does something in
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between you and the batsman The other thing I quite
enjoyed just quickly fellas was the associates. I thought they
played a good part in this tournament. I don't know
whether you guys we say this. It's said utually at
the end of it tournament, isn't it. The associates kind
of make footnotes in the cricket calendar. But it's the
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one chance for cricket to become more global, isn't it.
It's T twenties. It's not test matches. You know, no
associates made the Super eights in this tournament, but there
were certainly signs.
Speaker 6 (25:30):
I thought Usa.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
The Netherlands they both pushed in there, there was a
spilled catch. I think the Netherlands would have won over Pakistan.
Correct one ball against Nepal could have beaten England. You know,
there were close matches and because T twenty is the
most precarious format, you know, the most capricious. If you're
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going to include sides from less established cricket countries, this
is the one to include them in. And I think
there were those moments were there and the outcomes of
matches could have led to upsets they didn't, and that
must still be could be significant because I just don't
think they have getting the opportunities to play stronger sides.
Speaker 9 (26:19):
En.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
I think Oman and Namibia and Canada were a little
bit de distance away from the other ones. But the Associates,
I thought brought a good flavor. They brought great browdspit,
you know, along they bring their fight, they bring their
flair and you get some unusual bowlers sometimes from those
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associate teams. So I just I thought the greatest upset
in the tournament was Australia's exit to Zimbabwe. So the associates,
they just ICEE CEE helped them, is what I'm saying,
help them. And you know they don't have test status,
they lack voting influence, they lack ic C funding. How
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long did that guy Van Skull from the US hold
the position as the top wicket taker in this tournament?
You know, I just I just thought, and those Nepalese
supporters fantastic.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
I think we touched on this before you. I think
that's it's in that sense this tournament has been a
success because they've they've brought in the extent of the
number of teams can only be good and it's given
players opportunities to perform in the international stage, which in
their wildest dreams possibly they would never have imagined. You
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didn't touch on did you touch on Afghanistan? I mean,
they genuinely a Threatleach, especially at this sort of at
this sort of competition, because they do have those sorts
of bowlers who can who can get you out, and
they've got they've got power in their batting and as
you say, with the others like Nepaul, I just think
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that was fabulous. And what's more, the thing about the
paw was I think think it was they're all net
police as opposed to a number of the teams which
have shall we say, people not from their country originally
playing for them. But again, I just think a great
opportunity for for cricket in the in a broad sense
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to develop Yeah, a worldwide game, which it which it
clearly is. But I in that sense actually see you've
done well there. But the other point I think you
correctly make there was money made out of this tournament.
Surely there's some trickle down so that that so that
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these these teams can can can develop and can develop
more more strength. I mean, I know, for instance, on
a on a personal level about the Netherlands. Yeah, that
that strap for catch constantly. Partly that could be because of
some internal administration he cups, but but they are that
that try to upskill themselves, develop ground with grass, wickets
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and so on. Now that's just the nevolence. And they've
got capital around them. But the other countries they're not
as wealthy as the Netherlands, so I hope that there
is more money spread around coming out of this sort
of stuff to develop.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Yeah, it needs more than just a one World T
twenty championship. They need to see positions whereby they can
develop and that's the challenge for the ICC.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Brion Waddell, Jeremy Coney on the front foot.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
One of the challenges for New Zealand is to find
another bowler like Brett Randall five wickets and five balls.
Speaker 7 (29:45):
It hasn't happened in the two.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Hundred and fifty four year history of first class cricket, Jerry,
you'd have played a fair bit of that history. Did
you ever get a hat trick?
Speaker 6 (29:54):
Yeah? Did I ever? Did I ever get a hat trick?
I must have. I think I got one, but not
in first class.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
I think it was probably at an Enville Park on
a slightly slightly dot slightly dodgy pitch. And I was
probably about ten or eleven at the time, so no,
I didn't.
Speaker 7 (30:17):
What about you, moose?
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Uh well, yeah I did get ahead. Hetrick and I
was I was on again, pretty dodgy, wicked. It's Saint
Joseph's College mastered and and I think I've still got
the cricket ball somewhere in a box. But that was it.
The thing that that five wickets he was he was
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knocking over good players and he was I think two
or three of them were bottled.
Speaker 6 (30:50):
They were yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7 (30:52):
I think one of them was a little unlucky.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
It appeared as though Carter was given out courtner and
from what you could see from the very poor video,
which is of course the stuff that comes from the
camera a long way off it, he seemed to be
a long way away and his head was shaking as
he walked off, and I think it's probably still shaking
as to how he was given out. But yeah, I mean,
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and on a deck that, you know, Wellington the game
previously scored four hundred odds, you know, I mean, it's
not as if it's a dodgy pitch or anything like
that you're talking McLean Park Napier and it's a good
but talking about hat tricks, I was in as a
batsman two hat tricks successive games against the same opposition
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in senior club cricket, and I don't reveal that information
too readily because it's quite an embarrassment, isn't it.
Speaker 6 (31:51):
Were you the third one in either of them?
Speaker 2 (31:54):
I was the third one and the first and that's
the one I do I do talk about. I do
talk about because it was a left arm spinner for Colburnia,
guy called Nigel Smith. Yes, the ball was going down
leg side quite clearly, but it was a hat trick.
Ball Ham Heart was the umpire and everybody would know
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was a very enthusiastic.
Speaker 6 (32:17):
Man, very very solid umpire.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Yeah. I'm sure he called out out and that's a
hat trick. I'm sure he said that.
Speaker 6 (32:27):
Oh hard luck words.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Yeah, but I don't mind. The other one, Rock Collins
was the other bowlus. I was quite happy to be
knocked over by him. But I was the middle man then,
so I wasn't the third. But it's quite an incredible
achievement to be able to do that against top order batting,
a batting side that Northern Districts was able to develop
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and to be the first person to do it in
first class cricket, I mean it's been done before in cricket.
Speaker 7 (32:56):
There's a young.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Lady who's out here at the moment and sadly she
got injured playing for Zimbabwe. Got hit on the side
of the head and they had to leave the field
and was injured. And she has done it in an
under nineteen game in Zimbabwe.
Speaker 7 (33:10):
And another person who have done.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
It is an Irish cricketer by the name of Curtis Kampher.
He did it in a match in July twenty twenty five,
a domestic T twenty game, so it wasn't a first
class game as such. And while we're talking about bowler's dominance,
one bowler sixty years ago dominated the New Zealand side
in a Test match at Edgeburston. Fred Tipmas took four
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wickets in one over.
Speaker 9 (33:40):
No, it's Tipmas who comes in bowls to you all
and yours pot had slipped it went with the army,
reached forward, got an edge and Cowdrick took it as
easily as shilling be. Tipmas bolster. He lost it in
his oak cotton bowl Taylor Corton bowl Tipmas not New
Zealand one five eight per seven tipmas now three wickets
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three for fourteen. In fact, it comes in bowls to
Motts and Motts goes forward and by Smith cub forwards
ort Legs comes in bowls and the bowls collins off.
Speaker 6 (34:14):
The inside edge.
Speaker 9 (34:15):
My goodness, got an over four war kits in the over.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
I just want to make a comment at the end
that farewells in the women's game to lear to who
who's giving up the one day game. It's been chosen
for the t twenties because there's a World Cup coming
up and she may well be included in it. The
other one's Alyssa Heey who's given a lifetime of service
to Australia and you know, you look at her record,
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she's been quite outstanding. So I think we should acknowledge
their contribution to the women's game and we won't be
able to see them play, particularly Alyssa Healey who's got
an outstanding record.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
She's a fabulous player. I mean when you watched her back,
yeah she could score quickly, but playing real proper cricket shots.
Damn good keeper too, if you don't mind you'd go
and watch her because you think, no, this is someone
very very good, talented person because she's now switched into
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the commentary box. And but yeah, she was good too,
so not that they're going to need it, but she's
got a nice career going there as well. Talented person.
Speaker 5 (35:25):
And both long servants of the game, aren't they, Brian.
You know they're committed to the game. They obviously love it.
It makes them feel good. They like the skills that
they are required to impart in the game itself. They've
had success at that for their respective sides. So yeah,
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these times come and go, don't they eventually for everybody.
Speaker 7 (35:51):
That's what happened. Sixteen years.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
They've been playing at the top level of the women okay,
and that's quite uncort you'll be able to sustain that,
so we acknowledge their contribution. We've still got a chance
to see Elea to her who she's going to be
playing against South Africa and the Tea Tweedies coming up,
and of course we can have a little rest, fellas,
because it's a couple of weeks away before we can
watch another T twenty.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Looking forward to much as you love them, Brian.
Speaker 7 (36:20):
I'll watch it.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
I like to see New Zealand perform well and I'm
happy to celebrate it when they do. Thanks guys, we'll
talk again sometime in the near future.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Yeah, we can sign off a relatively content that we
actually did pretty well and better than I would have
predicted four weeks ago. So we're playing New Zealand and
very well played Nbear deserving champions. Yep.
Speaker 5 (36:44):
I think they were probably the best side summer.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
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It's the total of seven to twelve better than just once.
Something special. Had a chance to reflect on two significant
achievements in the women's game, but it's back to the
review of the World T twenty, beaten in the final
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by an Indian side who are now going to have
to withstand social media because there's a lot of people
getting at them about the quality of bats they're using,
jasprick bloomber chucks, and just about everything is being thrown
at them because of the poor losers. What Eric and Jerry,
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they deserve to win that game. New Zealand had a
chance by winning a toss, but they just didn't bowl
well enough to they.
Speaker 5 (01:59):
No, that's probably fair. It was pretty comprehensive win for India,
wasn't it. The power play kind has summed it up.
Ninety or something like that without loss for India and
forty five for three or so for New Zealand.
Speaker 6 (02:13):
So half the runs and about a.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
Third of the wickets. So yeah, New Zealand bob poorly.
Nothing kind of seemed to work, did it? Pace off,
it was hit, Then they went short and that was hit.
Then they went wide hole and that was either a
wide or a hit. Nineteen fours and eighteen six's. I mean,
you know in India also got that extra over with
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the wides, didn't they. So yeah, two fifty five just
wags on you. You know, the way you got to play.
I mean you can't even see off the power player
after your two down and get say eight or nine
and over up until the ninth or the tenths and
so you've still got some of your batting resources to
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go for the last eleven overs in your innings. Yeah,
I mean even if you go at eight or nine
and over, that's if it's nine, it's eighty one, that
still leaves you one hundred and seventy five to get.
So you still in the next eleven overs needs sixteen
runs and over, or if it's eight it then you
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need sixteen points seven runs. So it kind of rules
that out and you just got to keep going and
don't forget. If you've got eleven ods, two of those
overs are going to be from boomer, aren't they. So
you have to keep going. And simply their bowlers had
more skill than ours.
Speaker 7 (03:38):
Yeah, and they played the conditions.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
They had the crowd behind them, they had everything going
their way, and of course they'd scored two hundred and
fifty previously and defended that against England. So Peter Holland,
who's back with this and been enjoying the World T twenty.
Speaker 7 (03:56):
It was.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
It was a performance that deserved them the title. And
New Zealand really can come away with some credit, can't they.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
I think that's basically when the script didn't it was
how it was supposed to be. It was how it
was planned from the outset, as.
Speaker 6 (04:12):
We all do.
Speaker 8 (04:15):
If you're talking about the way the tournament was organized
and the pictures and the grounds and that, are you okay, Well.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Maybe that's been a little bit sort of our tongue
in cheekish a bit, but it did rather go to
script and what we didn't have. And I recall the
last time there was a significant one day at that
same round, there was a certain player who took the
game away from India, Travis Head. We didn't have one
of those this time. We had one last last week
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against South Africa and that was that was a phenomenal performance.
But you need one of those really. But as you say, Jerry,
when you're staring down the barrel at two fifty glass,
you can't make a mistake, you know, and things have
got to go your way. Yeah, the half hit that
just dropped through the middle, that sort of stuff, I
must say, when what ching it the ball against? When
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in India were batting, the ball just kept whizzing out
of the park. It was just as you said eighteen
six is it just kept going and no matter what
you did, as you said, whenever they try it went.
There's one particular shot that I saw Karter hit and
back in the olden days when you were playing Jerry,
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he couldn't hit them. Apparently this is a low full toss. Well,
Henry by one of those, and he just literally wizzed
it out of the park dead flat, six runs, Thanks
very much. I mean that that's sort of to me
something up. I thought it's their.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Day, yeah, and they played accordingly. They fitted into the
style of play. They're specialists at that. Some of those
players will never see the light of day in the
Test match arena. Some have, but they've got it down
to an art. Question being posed, is anybody going to
beat them? Well, you know, it doesn't matter whether or
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not it's a tournament.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
Well South Africa did. Yeah, South Africa beat them and
stuffed them. You know, so it is possible. Maybe maybe
not on those kinds of surfaces where the ball does
such a little. I mean, I've got to say that
as far as their bowlings was concerned, I saw ash
Deep and Pandia. Pandia went for twenty one off his
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first over, but the next three went for fourteen and
so that was it. He came back pulled it back.
But they both swing the ball, and they both swing
the ball both ways. Now you know Aksha Patel. So
so you've got two opening bowlers swinging the ball in
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or out. Now, none of our bowlers do that, and
it's something we have to sort of look at to
upskill ourselves just a bit too. Actua Patel came on
very quick, skiddy, tight line delivered so that the ball
comes off the smooth part of the ball and not
the seam, so it skids at you and stays low.
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And our players tend to hang back against spin bowling,
so it's.
Speaker 6 (07:22):
Hard to get underneath.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
And you know, then you have someone like Boomra bowling
those deceptive slower deliveries right hitting the base of the stumps.
He went for three point seventy five runs and over
you know those that is skill. One of their our
nineteen overs was bowled by abershek Heaven's sake anyway, So
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they just had a bit too much control. They had
the big runs behind them and never never, the innings
never got going, did it. We lost wickets third, fourth, fifth, eighth, ninths,
so we were five down for eighty odd and the
nineteen cent and was in you know, so we hit
we were either trying to hit six's and got out
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Allen and Seifered and Mitchell, or we were deceived Ravendra,
or there was pace on and quite wide Chapman dragging
it back on or the reoccurring issue of Phillip's getting
one passed in between Bat and padd He was bold
a lot in this tournament. So New Zealand, I'm afraid
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played their final last week. It wasn't this game. It
was just a game early.
Speaker 7 (08:34):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
That's one of the things about that kind of competition too,
isn't it that they have to live with that. But
you know, they come home and they've done They've done
an excellent job. To my mind, they were second and
clearly second, and that's just something they have to live
with it as a T twenty tournament and there's a
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whole a lot of luck goes with it, but when
you're playing, as you say, most in Indian conditions, you're
always up against it as well.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
I don't think enough can be said about Boomra the
version of the game bit test bit one day. That
player is quite freakish in what he can do. I
think we just should celebrate that, sit back and watch because,
as you say, Jerry, those deceptive slow ball yalk is
that clearly are really hard to pick, and he bowls
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them with such control it's really impressive. The other thing
that I think that where we lack as well as
is that we don't have those deceptive spins like you
call deeps and so on, who trouble you particularly in
those conditions. We've got your orthodox soft spinner, you've got
a left arm spinner. But that I'm a dosen for
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the for a lot of the players these days. You know,
there's nothing there's nothing mysterious about what we bring to it.
I mean we bring we bring vigor and discipline and
so on. But against this sort of onslaught, if you like,
you're really not You're struggling, aren't you. But that's said,
if you lined all the teams up, I still don't
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think that we're the second best of that group. England
probably played probably overall better than we to South Africa.
Certainly on their form were better. It's actually to get
where we got to should be considered them definite pass mark.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
We've been doing it consistently, haven't we reaching those finals
and or reaching the last four getting a past mark,
but not really being able to go the full distance.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
No, I think I think, you know, I think our
bowl is I mean, our seam has kind of struggled
a bit, didn't they, Henry apart, you know, ten wickets
and eight innings an economy rate of eight and eight
point twenty five. So you extrapolate that out, that's a
total of one sixty five and that's a that's a
very chasable target.
Speaker 6 (10:56):
I would have thought these days.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
So and one point twenty five wickets every innings, that's
not too bad.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
But then you look at the others.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
Ferguson nine point nine seven, Jamison ten point two five,
Nicheum ten point six y five, Duffy ten point eight seven.
So that's all between between our other semens. That's between
two a total of two hundred and two hundred and twenty.
And that's that's starting to push the envelope a bit,
isn't it. I feel so that Henry did his job,
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bowling in the power play, bowling at the death revender.
Terms of spin stood up in the absence of Bracewell.
Most wickets for New Zealand twelve wickets, seven point eight
for the economy. Rate did really well in Sri Lanka,
didn't he. That's one point seven wickets pir innings for him,
and if he's extrapolate the runs out, it's one point
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fifty six. In fact, the spinners did slightly better than
the seamers in those terms of run rates. Phillips at nine,
mccontchie at the nine point five centnern is an interesting one,
isn't it. Right from the start you felt that teams
were sitting on them. They didn't want to lose wickets
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to Mitchell Satner, so they saw him as a threat
and they played him more cautiously. Centiner twenty eight overs,
just two wickets and.
Speaker 6 (12:23):
And seven innings.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
That's just seven fours and so point two of a
wicket each game. But you get that run rate six
points sixty one and that's a total of one hundred
and thirty two if you if you push that out.
So even though he didn't get the wickets, he did
a job for New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Well, I don't think there's any question. I think that's
that's that's spot on, Jack. I mean, if you keep
if you at run rates, as you said, on an
average of a round about six. I mean that's as
good as getting wickets, isn't it. Yeah, that's the reality
of it. And and as you say, you strapped light
it out in that little termine what you're going to
look like and what you're going to be chasing. He's
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a class act and across the board fields. I really
like your style, Captain.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
See.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
I like to see more of it, not just in
the one day as perhaps who knows, but no, and
I think you're right here. They did sit on a
bit because yeah, he was a threat. But I just
think that bottombers, bottom liners. I think that we just
got thumped and in those conditions we needed one which
was which was doing it Travis Head for us, and
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that didn't happen today, it happened last week.
Speaker 7 (13:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Well they've had that problem, I guess, have a period
of time and you need one, two, three four to
do it, not just one. It always seemed as though
India had somebody who could get eighty off twenty one balls.
But you know, it's NonStop for the black Caps. Now
South Africa are almost here. They've picked aside well a
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women's side to play against South Africa and Tea twenties
and New Zealand will have this when they get home.
I presume just about home. It's been hard getting out
of India. The West Indies had to wait over a
week or something to get a flight out. No one
bothered to think about getting them home, so they had
to sit it. India England got a charter flight out
and away they went. And there's been a lot of
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a lot of controversy around that. But are we destined
to have to accept that this is what T twenty
Championships are going to be like now? Ground announcements constantly,
mid over lights, laser beams, Hollywood promotion and all sorts of.
Speaker 7 (14:39):
Gimmicks that are being part of the game. Do we
have to put up? Is that the way it's going
to be?
Speaker 3 (14:43):
I think so, Brian, I suspect it is. There seemed
to be one hundreds of thousand people had a man
of a bad who weren't complaining. They seem pretty happy.
But yeah, I can't see that changing anytime soon. It's
it's what is it? It's you know, it's a fan,
it's fan entertainment. That's what apparently we want. That's what
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you want?
Speaker 5 (15:07):
Clearly, Well, I can't see Waddle sitting towards the back
rows of a stand, listening to those screaming zealots on
a mic urging him to stand.
Speaker 6 (15:25):
Up, and ooh, are who who are.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
Knocking over his neighbour's coffee as he does so?
Speaker 6 (15:33):
Or their eggs sandwich onto the ground?
Speaker 7 (15:36):
Kiss cam? What about kiss camp? Did they have that?
Speaker 6 (15:39):
I don't know what the hell that means?
Speaker 2 (15:41):
And that's when you get caught out kissing somebody you're
not supposed to be kissing.
Speaker 6 (15:45):
Oh I see, Oh, well that's that you can mistake that.
Speaker 7 (15:50):
Haven't you heard of the cold Blake?
Speaker 5 (15:51):
But I just I just thought it was nauseating all
that stuff. I mean it was it was distorting. I
don't know what gen they're called now, what letter comes
after it?
Speaker 6 (16:02):
They started at X and it seemed to get to
Z very quickly.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
But I mean, it's it's rather different, I've got to say,
than the gentle, decorous, kind of interesting Indians I met
in the late nineteen eighties when I was there. It's
very different nowadays, isn't it. Maybe it's just a format.
Who knows, But I tell you what wats and I
I guess we won't be in the back seats all
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we wants.
Speaker 7 (16:30):
I certainly won't be. In fact, I've got the monume
turned down anyway.
Speaker 6 (16:34):
Me too. We're getting very old now too.
Speaker 7 (16:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
I think that's probably part of it as well. But
the pictures came in forth some stick and this is
where you're going to be very careful of social media.
Matt Henry was quoted as having some comment to make
about the pictures in the Middenings Break. But I listened
to it and he never said anything about the pictures.
And the question was asked, don't know who approves such pictures,
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but it was taken up by Nasa Hussein and he
basically got into the VCCI and the ICC because they
seem to be so much entwined. He said, India scored
literally ninety two runs in the powerplay, which you don't
see most often in cricket match. You've got to give
something to the bowlers too as well. This isn't cricket.
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It's manipulation. The spirit of the game is being slapped.
If this keeps happening, no one will trust the game anymore.
It's a complete disgrace. Well, it is a manipulation and
at your point, Jeremy from a previous podcast. The bowlers
have to get something, don't they.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
Well, if you want to have a cricket equation, yes,
they'll say. Well, they do get something and they get
a new ball. And that's why I mentioned swinging the
ball away. The Indians were capable of swinging it in
and out. Our bowlers, I think, are a little bit
set on waiting for the grass or something to assist them,
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so they seem it. We tend to be a seam
dominated kind of attack. Can't niem swing the ball? You
tell me what I don't think, for example, we should
have all seamers. We should have people who can swing it. Now,
Duffy can a bit. Why can't he swing it in?
Is that his action?
Speaker 6 (18:22):
You know?
Speaker 5 (18:23):
I just feel we need to be upskilled individually if
we want to be able to go to places like India,
which doesn't grow grass that well all they don't want
to do it anyway, especially in T twenty matches. So look,
I feel for the bowlers, I do, But you've just
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got to skill yourself up, don't you. You've got to
be able to be more accurate at the variety of
deliveries because if we don't swing it straight, it's dead. Straight,
and that means you're relying now on pace or links
or the combination.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
And pace doesn't seem to be an issue. I mean,
Ferguson just like it. They love it it. It just goes,
doesn't it.
Speaker 7 (19:12):
Yeah, Ferguson went for forty eight.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
The issue with swing, though, of course, in the past,
was something that the bowlers didn't want to do because
the ball would swing down the leg side by it
where you go, and so they tried to make it
such that the bowlers weren't swinging it to any great degree.
All right down leg side is understandable, though sometimes I
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think that the wives are called and it's just because
the batsman is not good enough to hit them that
they get called wide. But you know, does that now
matter that we need to be able to get that
swing and control the swing.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Most look, I think that there's just something that says
same same as what we tend to be a little
bit of. As Jerry said, we've basically got fast medium
bowlers on these sort of wickets just just cann't follow
for these For these players, you need a point of difference.
That's what Jasper will are brinks, It's what Aksa the
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brings swinging both swinging both ways. You need to bring
something different otherwise straight and quick. That's just that's just
not it's not a challenge we all, as I said
touchdown before, we don't have a really clever, deceptive, a
spinner or two, whereas the Indians seem to have a
few of them, don't they. You've got to have a
point of difference, especially when you're at these flat decks,
(20:34):
because it's just it's just too easy and and you're
relying on them making mistake and these players are too good.
They're not going to make those sort of mistakes. And
even if one does, you've got three or four others
are going to come in and and continue to whack
you because they go long way down, don't they India
or teams like that, as do teams like for that matter,
(20:54):
so Africa, they definitely go long way down in batting.
Even for that matter, with Jack's coming in when he
does a six, seven and eight and song, So we
need something different in our bowling and hopefully that's what
they go they take away from the tournament that we're
going to look for that do we have those sort
of players outside of the current crop that we've got
(21:16):
I'm not sure. I don't know. Perhaps you've seen more
than I have.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Bright Yeah, well, I mean they're probably there. It's a
development thing. They've got to be playing more of that
form of cricket, I suppose. And that's what they talk about.
A T twenty competition here and getting players set for
T twenty. That's what India have, don't they. Many of
their test players don't front up. There's the odd one
or two, the boomra but in terms of their batting,
(21:41):
it's basically dominated by T twenty specialists and we don't
have quite the same number of people I suppose to
play our game.
Speaker 7 (21:52):
But you know, it's the.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Thing is, there'll be another World T twenty competition one
in a couple of weeks, won't they. They'll be starting
another one, aren't they.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
But someone was quite clever they there's anythings. They organized
a competition themselves, a twenty twenty competition. It seems to
have gone quite well, and the place you have come
out of that that go on to be quite useful
at the international level. Maybe it's a coincidence.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
There are rewards there for individual you know, skills and
a wider range of accuracy. They'd been there were how
many weeks would they have been there? Sort of nearly
three or three or four weeks New Zealand have anyway,
you haven't done so what why would they Why would
they not have learned in that time with a new
(22:41):
ball that they don't as they're going to bowl an
in the swinger it go, it won't go down leg
I see. I I just I just feel an outswinger
will take it, will beat the outside education and go
through to the keeper. You know, it'll an in swinger
will hit the pads perhaps you know, and they might
get a single for a leg by, but that's it.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
If you get a single, that's a that's a win,
isn't it.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
So I just feel or you head an outside middle
from an outswinger and they can't control that and you.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
Might get a catch.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
So I just feel we need to be doing a
little bit more with the ball rather than just seeming
it and conditions that don't seem and so it restricts
us too much to either we don't bowl many Yorkers.
We don't trust our ability to do that. We go
try to go wide and we end up bowling too wide.
(23:40):
So just the accuracy I don't think is quite is
quite there at the moment, but the rewards are there,
and so I just feel we can't keep on relying
on green seamers, that's all.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
Yeah, I mean, I'm not blaming the players.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
It's not easy, but I just feel that they need
to just upskill as much as they can.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Yeah, well, we keep developing a swinging conditions, I guess
in New Zealand, don't we So yeah, we shouldn't. And
they managed to do things with the ball when it's
roughed up now rather than the shiny side and the
side that's been worn down. That's the way balls used
to be developed by balls, wasn't it. The old hand
(24:27):
would go around and try and get one side shiny.
So it's a different skill now.
Speaker 6 (24:34):
I get all that.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
I just I think it's just as a little general comment,
I think our bowling was a bit samey, a wee
bit samey, and a wee bit straight, do you know
what I mean? Get it to dip, get it to
turn a bit, get it to you know, all those things.
Get it to do some things that they that you
impart at your end so that it does something in
(24:56):
between you and the batsman The other thing I quite
enjoyed just quickly fellas was the associates. I thought they
played a good part in this tournament. I don't know
whether you guys we say this. It's said utually at
the end of it tournament, isn't it. The associates kind
of make footnotes in the cricket calendar. But it's the
(25:17):
one chance for cricket to become more global, isn't it.
It's T twenties. It's not test matches. You know, no
associates made the Super eights in this tournament, but there
were certainly signs.
Speaker 6 (25:30):
I thought Usa.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
The Netherlands they both pushed in there, there was a
spilled catch. I think the Netherlands would have won over Pakistan.
Correct one ball against Nepal could have beaten England. You know,
there were close matches and because T twenty is the
most precarious format, you know, the most capricious. If you're
(25:55):
going to include sides from less established cricket countries, this
is the one to include them in. And I think
there were those moments were there and the outcomes of
matches could have led to upsets they didn't, and that
must still be could be significant because I just don't
think they have getting the opportunities to play stronger sides.
Speaker 9 (26:19):
En.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
I think Oman and Namibia and Canada were a little
bit de distance away from the other ones. But the Associates,
I thought brought a good flavor. They brought great browdspit,
you know, along they bring their fight, they bring their
flair and you get some unusual bowlers sometimes from those
(26:42):
associate teams. So I just I thought the greatest upset
in the tournament was Australia's exit to Zimbabwe. So the associates,
they just ICEE CEE helped them, is what I'm saying,
help them. And you know they don't have test status,
they lack voting influence, they lack ic C funding. How
(27:07):
long did that guy Van Skull from the US hold
the position as the top wicket taker in this tournament?
You know, I just I just thought, and those Nepalese
supporters fantastic.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
I think we touched on this before you. I think
that's it's in that sense this tournament has been a
success because they've they've brought in the extent of the
number of teams can only be good and it's given
players opportunities to perform in the international stage, which in
their wildest dreams possibly they would never have imagined. You
(27:42):
didn't touch on did you touch on Afghanistan? I mean,
they genuinely a Threatleach, especially at this sort of at
this sort of competition, because they do have those sorts
of bowlers who can who can get you out, and
they've got they've got power in their batting and as
you say, with the others like Nepaul, I just think
(28:04):
that was fabulous. And what's more, the thing about the
paw was I think think it was they're all net
police as opposed to a number of the teams which
have shall we say, people not from their country originally
playing for them. But again, I just think a great
opportunity for for cricket in the in a broad sense
(28:25):
to develop Yeah, a worldwide game, which it which it
clearly is. But I in that sense actually see you've
done well there. But the other point I think you
correctly make there was money made out of this tournament.
Surely there's some trickle down so that that so that
(28:46):
these these teams can can can develop and can develop
more more strength. I mean, I know, for instance, on
a on a personal level about the Netherlands. Yeah, that
that strap for catch constantly. Partly that could be because of
some internal administration he cups, but but they are that
that try to upskill themselves, develop ground with grass, wickets
(29:09):
and so on. Now that's just the nevolence. And they've
got capital around them. But the other countries they're not
as wealthy as the Netherlands, so I hope that there
is more money spread around coming out of this sort
of stuff to develop.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Yeah, it needs more than just a one World T
twenty championship. They need to see positions whereby they can
develop and that's the challenge for the ICC.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Brion Waddell, Jeremy Coney on the front foot.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
One of the challenges for New Zealand is to find
another bowler like Brett Randall five wickets and five balls.
Speaker 7 (29:45):
It hasn't happened in the two.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Hundred and fifty four year history of first class cricket, Jerry,
you'd have played a fair bit of that history. Did
you ever get a hat trick?
Speaker 6 (29:54):
Yeah? Did I ever? Did I ever get a hat trick?
I must have. I think I got one, but not
in first class.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
I think it was probably at an Enville Park on
a slightly slightly dot slightly dodgy pitch. And I was
probably about ten or eleven at the time, so no,
I didn't.
Speaker 7 (30:17):
What about you, moose?
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Uh well, yeah I did get ahead. Hetrick and I
was I was on again, pretty dodgy, wicked. It's Saint
Joseph's College mastered and and I think I've still got
the cricket ball somewhere in a box. But that was it.
The thing that that five wickets he was he was
(30:44):
knocking over good players and he was I think two
or three of them were bottled.
Speaker 6 (30:50):
They were yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7 (30:52):
I think one of them was a little unlucky.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
It appeared as though Carter was given out courtner and
from what you could see from the very poor video,
which is of course the stuff that comes from the
camera a long way off it, he seemed to be
a long way away and his head was shaking as
he walked off, and I think it's probably still shaking
as to how he was given out. But yeah, I mean,
(31:16):
and on a deck that, you know, Wellington the game
previously scored four hundred odds, you know, I mean, it's
not as if it's a dodgy pitch or anything like
that you're talking McLean Park Napier and it's a good
but talking about hat tricks, I was in as a
batsman two hat tricks successive games against the same opposition
(31:42):
in senior club cricket, and I don't reveal that information
too readily because it's quite an embarrassment, isn't it.
Speaker 6 (31:51):
Were you the third one in either of them?
Speaker 2 (31:54):
I was the third one and the first and that's
the one I do I do talk about. I do
talk about because it was a left arm spinner for Colburnia,
guy called Nigel Smith. Yes, the ball was going down
leg side quite clearly, but it was a hat trick.
Ball Ham Heart was the umpire and everybody would know
(32:16):
was a very enthusiastic.
Speaker 6 (32:17):
Man, very very solid umpire.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Yeah. I'm sure he called out out and that's a
hat trick. I'm sure he said that.
Speaker 6 (32:27):
Oh hard luck words.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Yeah, but I don't mind. The other one, Rock Collins
was the other bowlus. I was quite happy to be
knocked over by him. But I was the middle man then,
so I wasn't the third. But it's quite an incredible
achievement to be able to do that against top order batting,
a batting side that Northern Districts was able to develop
(32:50):
and to be the first person to do it in
first class cricket, I mean it's been done before in cricket.
Speaker 7 (32:56):
There's a young.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Lady who's out here at the moment and sadly she
got injured playing for Zimbabwe. Got hit on the side
of the head and they had to leave the field
and was injured. And she has done it in an
under nineteen game in Zimbabwe.
Speaker 7 (33:10):
And another person who have done.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
It is an Irish cricketer by the name of Curtis Kampher.
He did it in a match in July twenty twenty five,
a domestic T twenty game, so it wasn't a first
class game as such. And while we're talking about bowler's dominance,
one bowler sixty years ago dominated the New Zealand side
in a Test match at Edgeburston. Fred Tipmas took four
(33:38):
wickets in one over.
Speaker 9 (33:40):
No, it's Tipmas who comes in bowls to you all
and yours pot had slipped it went with the army,
reached forward, got an edge and Cowdrick took it as
easily as shilling be. Tipmas bolster. He lost it in
his oak cotton bowl Taylor Corton bowl Tipmas not New
Zealand one five eight per seven tipmas now three wickets
(34:02):
three for fourteen. In fact, it comes in bowls to
Motts and Motts goes forward and by Smith cub forwards
ort Legs comes in bowls and the bowls collins off.
Speaker 6 (34:14):
The inside edge.
Speaker 9 (34:15):
My goodness, got an over four war kits in the over.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
I just want to make a comment at the end
that farewells in the women's game to lear to who
who's giving up the one day game. It's been chosen
for the t twenties because there's a World Cup coming
up and she may well be included in it. The
other one's Alyssa Heey who's given a lifetime of service
to Australia and you know, you look at her record,
(34:41):
she's been quite outstanding. So I think we should acknowledge
their contribution to the women's game and we won't be
able to see them play, particularly Alyssa Healey who's got
an outstanding record.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
She's a fabulous player. I mean when you watched her back,
yeah she could score quickly, but playing real proper cricket shots.
Damn good keeper too, if you don't mind you'd go
and watch her because you think, no, this is someone
very very good, talented person because she's now switched into
(35:14):
the commentary box. And but yeah, she was good too,
so not that they're going to need it, but she's
got a nice career going there as well. Talented person.
Speaker 5 (35:25):
And both long servants of the game, aren't they, Brian.
You know they're committed to the game. They obviously love it.
It makes them feel good. They like the skills that
they are required to impart in the game itself. They've
had success at that for their respective sides. So yeah,
(35:47):
these times come and go, don't they eventually for everybody.
Speaker 7 (35:51):
That's what happened. Sixteen years.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
They've been playing at the top level of the women okay,
and that's quite uncort you'll be able to sustain that,
so we acknowledge their contribution. We've still got a chance
to see Elea to her who she's going to be
playing against South Africa and the Tea Tweedies coming up,
and of course we can have a little rest, fellas,
because it's a couple of weeks away before we can
watch another T twenty.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Looking forward to much as you love them, Brian.
Speaker 7 (36:20):
I'll watch it.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
I like to see New Zealand perform well and I'm
happy to celebrate it when they do. Thanks guys, we'll
talk again sometime in the near future.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Yeah, we can sign off a relatively content that we
actually did pretty well and better than I would have
predicted four weeks ago. So we're playing New Zealand and
very well played Nbear deserving champions. Yep.
Speaker 5 (36:44):
I think they were probably the best side summer.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
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