April 4, 2026 • 46 mins
This week, inspirational one day innings by Melie Kerr confirms her status, and we wonder if a T20 franchise competition is feasible in New Zealand.
Later, we discuss if our White Ferns should play a test against Australia - and we're joined by Peter Holland to discuss some other issues facing cricket.
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Speaker 2 (00:45):
Hello, We're on the front foot once again and the
coming up this week in inspirational evings from the newly
Kerr Levels the series with South Africa. This is a
tea tweeting league feasible in New Zealand. Should the White
Ferns buy a test with Australia? Why would they decline?
A question? Will try to answer on the front foot
(01:07):
with Remy Coney and Peter Holland's back on us again
and well on the positive notes, We've got a hall
of Famer with us, Jeremy Caney.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
And I'm genuflecting now and bowing to the greatness of
our learned colleague. Much deserved on my dad.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I quite agree and as part of the hall of fame,
of course, he will be shouting us all to dinner somewhere,
won't he.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Mate, I'll be looking forward to you too.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
I couldn't think of a better two reprobates that I
could actually come and have a few with That would
be great. I must was pretty surprised. Came out of
the blue, and I thought it was actually probably an error.
A clerical eraror someone had written my name.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
The requirements.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
Anyway, let's not waste any more time on this and
let's move on. There's plenty of things to talk about once.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yes, no, I've got to say it's well deserved, Jerry,
after your years of contribution to New Zealand cricket. One
of the things that has taken private place, I suppose
in terms of the playing of the game is the
women's series against South Africa. And there's been a lot
of talk about Millie Kerr one hundred and seventy nine,
and it gets to a stage when somebody scores big
(02:32):
the social pages start elevating them now to the greatest
cricketer New Zealand. New Zealand has produced, not just the
greatest women's cricketer that New Zealand has produced, but the
greatest cricketer. I'm not sure that she would lay claim
to that, But it was still an outstanding innings, wasn't it?
One hundred and seventy nine? She carried the side through
(02:55):
after what was a pretty ordinary performance, wasn't it in
the in the field against that South African? So it'd
only dropped seven catches on bad really? Was it? I?
Speaker 5 (03:04):
Look, it was simply just the major component in the game,
wasn't it. I have had time to have a look
at that, fellas. You know, you get matches like that,
don't you on a good surface. I'd have to say,
at the basin small boundaries, and one player who has
some quality has a really good day and opens out
(03:25):
their game and delivers something special and it kind of
stays with you. You know, she should have been angry. Actually,
from what you've spoken about. I watched the fielding effort.
They're not a team of athletes that they simply don't
move fast enough or throw accurately with some pace.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
We know that most teams.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
Put catchers down, but boy did they say to South Africa,
help yourself here, Fellas. There's a big total coming up
and it's not as if their bowling attack can deal
with that.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Is it?
Speaker 5 (04:00):
This New Zealand side they need help from the field,
and she came in in the fifth over chasing this total,
and she batted throughout the rest of the inning, so
she managed the entire chase, scored over half the South
African total one hundred and seventy nine off one thirty
nine ninety two of them and boundary in boundary, so
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ninety eight in boundaries. What I like about her players,
she tends to the classical. She plays along the ground,
she drives on the off side, she punches, she cuts,
that's how she started, both sides of the ground though.
And fancy flicks, yeah, she can do them, but predominantly
she uses the full face.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
So I like all that.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
She sees length and line quickly because then with the
cuts and the third man that forces the bowl at
the bowl straight. So then she goes down the ground
and leg side. I saw a bit of T twenty
stuff from her, you know, where a front leg opens
out a webit and she hits naturally to the stronger
leg side, but which is not as aesthetic me but
(05:08):
very effective. So the last thing I saw from her
was control. She looked calm right through her innings. She
looked calm. She had bottled up and locked it, and
she was locked into the contest. No big celebration when
she got to things. Sure, seven of her mates go
when she came in, you know, some pretty average stuff,
(05:30):
but she stayed poker faced and she got.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
The job done.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
And she'll play more good innings, guys, won't she because
she is a good player, but not many better.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
She had one little drop.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
To the keeper doesn't see that she played, but a
wide range of shots against the runners up in the
World Cup, passy innings.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
The interesting thing about this is that had it not
been for frankly a pretty palling effort in the field,
we would never have been privileged to watch such a
fantastic innings on. By the way, a really good cricket
ground with a decent wicket in daylight, and I think
all of those in factors to make four. What became,
I think is a fabulous settings. I'm not going to
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use the word great, but a fabulous settings of a
really really, really very good cricketer. And I think she's
only twenty five. I think it is, my lord, and
she sounds she's been playing cricket almost for ten years.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
But this is a.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Truly special player and as world class of the rest
that could not be said, I think, and we are
very reliant and have been in the women's game on
the performance of Sushi Divine prior to that, Bates of Bats,
who's sort of the last few years hasn't really been delivering.
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But it's been very reliant on the performances of one
or two and then the rest of them haven't really
delivered it. And unless we get that outstanding performance, New
Zealand doesn't perform. I mean, frankly, we got lucky in
the TWEE twenty and we ed it off and gets
relayed that we are well ampions. That would pure lark really,
(07:11):
because I think South Africa beat Australia at the time
and we've got a leg leg up. But Eminika is
a fabulous player and we just should we should, we
should enjoy it. And I love watching her play cricket.
That's the other thing. She doesn't get funky. She plays
proper cricket shots and by the way, it's dann fine bowler, it's.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Yeah. And she's got a fairly good technical brain, it seems,
and she's going to be under pressure at time, but
I don't know that people giving her the tag of
greatness is something that she needs to carry around with
her at the moment. Just let her play the game
and play the way that she's done. She's a fabulous
cricket to watch, as you say, and it was a
lovely evenings, so to enjoy.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
I do observe. I do observe the you know, I
listened to the meat the radio a fair bit while
I'm thinking away at work and stuff, and there is
a preponderance of of of of a fusive sort of
support and commentary about about this which maybe could be
tempted somewhat. I'm just probably leave it at that.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Yeah, I listened to the TV.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
Because I watched the highlights and they kind of in
the field they say, oh was that Ah, was that
a catch?
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Oh? Yes it was, and then that's that's about it,
you know, that's all they say.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
It's extraordinary how the commentary has gone now to try
and rule the catch quite a big moment in the
game out and reduce it.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I've got a mute button which works well, so I
don't have to put up with any of that sort
of stuff. But should our White Ferns be playing a
test match against Australia Australia have offered them a chance
to play a Test match. It's been turned down. I
don't know why they don't think that they would be
ready or prepared. I think forget that if the Osites
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want to play a Test match against US, play them,
don't we Well?
Speaker 4 (09:09):
My opinion is I think it's the well biased best
form of the game. However, our women do not play
any cricket of apart from Franklin one day cricket ody
That's that's it, And so they would come in well underdone.
(09:33):
And and Australia are very powerful at this form of
the game because they apart from who else do they play.
They play England, they were playing in the recently. Yeah,
and I think they played South Africa in these But
I would have thought it would have been a wonderful opportunity,
probably play on a fabless cricket ground in Australia. For
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our women to play this it's it's it's a you
know they're not going to get many of them, but
I suspect it's a it's a it's a it's a
decision made out of not wanting to be not out
of fear. It would be my observation that's not a
big concind.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
Yeah, not wanting to be embarrassed, I think is quite
a strong feeling. And then there might even be even
some of the people gosh, these girls can be damaged.
These girls could be damaged here. We might have a
bit of work to do after. I do think that
a it, But the fact of it is, you know,
(10:33):
it would be very good for these players to start
thinking about, here is the thing that is going to happen,
and when was it? Wadds January, February whatever, and then
and work towards it. And so they have little marks
along the way to say, well, we'll need to do this,
We'll need to do that, We'll need to have a
game there, We'll need to do three days there and
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build themselves up to do that so that they're not
quite so embarrassed and they do come back for a
second spell of six overs, and that they can last
out there for a while and they can bat two hours,
you know. And what would happen then is our one
day game would become stronger. They'd be better at judging
(11:17):
a single. That'd be you know, it feeds off each other,
these these formats. So I think.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Give it a crack myself.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
Yes, the chances are you're going to be beaten maybe
in two days, who knows, But give it a crack
and start to do it.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Yeah, at the end of it, I.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
Couldn't agree more. I just think it's a It's just
a great opportunity to experience the essence of the game.
And why wouldn't you just grab it well, open arms
and have have a go. I was looking at some
of the other players and there's someone like Maddy Green
who's played one hundred and twenty one T twenties and
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ninety three ODIs that's all. He's basically all he's played.
Would you say, God, how good to go out there
and bet on a decent day week and somewhere in Australia.
That would just be a fantastic opportunity for a player
and to be fulfillment of a career. So I agree
with you. You and it's not impossible you could do that.
(12:20):
Get your bowl has been loaning out of bowl twenty
hours in a day.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
It's just simply fitness and absolutely absolutely and you need.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Only look at the partnership between Halliday and Green that
led a recovery from three for three in the series,
deciding ode I with South Africa to see that New
Zealand are capable of batting time. Back in March nineteen
forty six, New Zealand played Australia in a Test match
at the Base in Reserve and we're all out for
forty six and fifty four. But we kept go on playing,
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didn't we? And yeah, that time comes sometimes you are
going to get embarrassed. But if you don't try, you
don't get anything and you don't achieve anything. So I
think they should have tried and bitten the bullet, so
to speak.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Brian Waddell, Jeremy Coney on the front foot talk.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
About biting the bullet. Cricket administrators are biting the bullet
over a New Zealand T twenty competition. Is it feasible
they've made a decision in principle? What the hell does
that mean? They haven't even decided yet. They've made a
decision in principle to go with the NZ twenty. Big
Rashley seem to be out of the way. So what
(13:31):
are we going to see from this? What do we
expect to see? I think we need to see submergency
in terms of making a decision on this if they
wanted to start running in January next year. Better, Holland,
you've been following it closer, you understand what's been going on.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Yes, well, well as close as one can because the
information that seems to be available, which New Zealand Cricket
presumably still don't have, because they haven't made a categoric
decision as to the as to proceeding with it, and
hence the reason for an in principle support. Now that's
a that's a way of saying that, well, yeah, we
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like the idea, but we haven't really seen enough and
we don't know how you're going to do it, but
good luck and you go and fill your boots and
see what we can do the issues that I have.
Heath Mills, soon to be retiring Sea of Plants Association
has said that we're twenty to twenty five people interested. Well,
interest is something different from and I like Heath and
(14:30):
I you know that's no problem. But tell me why
someone's going to come and invest into New Zealand. And yes,
they use the Caribbean as an example of one that
didn't start. The Caribbean T twenty series didn't start profitably.
At what is now, But maybe that's a function of
its proximity, it's time zone relative to North America, possibly
(14:54):
also India, I'm not sure. But for New Zealand, we'll
asked of the party, why would I invest into New
Zealand on at a time zone which maybe helps. At
the same time the big bashes on cricket and the
T twenty series in South Africa's happening. I just I
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want to see something happen, of course, I just don't
see how it's going to happen. The other point that
seems to be being made is that the the players,
of course, are very very supportive of it. Well, of
course they are, because they're all going to get gigs,
aren't they right. That doesn't make it any better, no, nothing,
all with that hate all proud of them. They are
(15:37):
all going to get gigs, and then so and so
with the women and also fantastic. But where does this
Where does the magic money tree?
Speaker 5 (15:44):
Now?
Speaker 4 (15:44):
We know there is money out there, The money is
looking for a home. I mean, you know, we're getting
T twenty clubs being set up in Scotland, in Amsterdam
and wherever else. So it's all trying to find a home,
but it'll go in a rush early days if they
can get it up and going very quickly. I don't
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know where they're going to play these games another story. Well, yeah,
but I look, you don't you don't want to die
wondering is my view. But I just think there is
a lot of gaps that need to be filled. There
are a lot of gaps that need to be filled,
and I don't think they've got enough time to do
it because we're now in in April and there's not Basically,
(16:32):
you need to be done and dusted within six months,
so they're going to be ready by in order to
create a competition for early early January next year. Yep.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
And I've got to I've got to sign up players.
And you talk about venues, the last place I want
to see is the Wellington Stadium being used. I toss
my toys at the women's game because I wanted to
buy a punt of chips for eight dollars, you know,
I mean, so what did I do? I went up
with two five dollar notes. We don't take cash here.
(17:05):
You have to play by card. You'll have to play
by cards. I said, no, I won't, I'm going and
I left the chips and went home. No, min that
that's just another story. Jerry. You'd love to go to
the world.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
You do get difficult patrons, don't you, Moose.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
It wasn't difficult.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
No, No, they were doing your favorite and your waistline.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Brian, thanks for your support, guys. Yeah, you can pay
cash at the base in reserve.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
Well, some things occur to me about this is that
it's a shift of governance, that's the first thing. And
the funding of the game in New Zealand. Private equity
owners are not responsible to the Board of New Zealand
Cricket or their CEO or an MA or the National selectors.
They won't feel the need to care about women, the
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women's game or where they come from. They're here to
make money eventually, and all that has the potential, I
think to create tension New Zealand. You know they ran
the Super Smash comp. They won't run the end Z twenty.
That will be a private company and the details of
how that will work we just don't know yet. And
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WHENI and Nash did not like the direction of travel,
and that's fine. Look New Zealand's size and our numbers
are at the mercy. I think of global financial forces.
Aren't they look at the diesel and the petrol at
the moment?
Speaker 2 (18:38):
You know.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
It may be that this end Z twenty improves the
back balance, bank balance and improves participation or even.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Interest in the community.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
I don't know, but this phase of the negotiation is important.
And do not stuff this up in New Zealand Cricket board,
because you're seeding control. You are handing over the ownership
and the running of the most critical money unit in
the spread of format that you have to another entity who,
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when it comes to it, won't care about New Zealand
doing well in World Cups or in bilateral competition, you know,
or youngsters developing through stages or women improving their game.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
They won't.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
And also you are giving away about half of the
best time to play cricket in New Zealand, when you know,
and when the pictures are better, when the conditions are warmer,
and those days when you know people used to get
out on the sit on a bank and maybe take
the score with the family and in their holidays. And
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you are consigning test cricket to November and December when
you go to watch with the increased chances of showers
or unreliable weather, greener surfaces to play on. It will
affect the balance of sides, like less spin involved keepers
standing up captaining spin, all that stuff, if you know
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what I mean. The hardened cricket supporters in New Zealand
will not enjoy that. I would say, you'd probably lose
more money than you already are from the test format.
Now can New Zealand Cricket continue to act in the
public interest? This is a new private company. They will
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not be interested in that. They are not really interested
in the women's regional representation unless it makes money.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Why should it.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
It's just not on the buar's list of priorities, is it.
And player development is not a priority either to them.
They might say, oh, yeah, we want a few young
players coming through to be in our franchise teams.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
But you've got to be careful. I think that long
term plans aren't swapped for short term money.
Speaker 5 (20:59):
And I just think how grand will, as Moose says,
how grand will does a new competition be. I'm not
just sure what labor force can be garnered for six teams. Yeah,
what do you want to say something?
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Yeah, I was just going to say, then, why do
we bother with the T twenty performer or competition. Why
don't we just to skip out and not have one.
We will then fall by the wayside, won't we. We
have to be part of the T twenty international program,
don't we? Otherwise our players are going to say see
you and we don't even have a test team or
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a one day team. Isn't that a possibility?
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Well that's well, that's the reason we're kind of looking.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
Isn't it that we are now Suddenly we are not
divorced from the rest of the world, and we are
small in our numbers, as I say, and all our
better players. We can't keep our better players here. They'll
all be off in larger numbers. And that's what's happening.
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Look at the teams that are going who've just played
against South Africa. Look at the teams that are going
to Bangladesh. They are not They are not our strong sides.
Why because all our better players are away in these
other competitions that we are talking about. It's already loaded
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up with the Big Bash SA twenty, ILT twenty, the
Bangladesh competition. They're up, they're running, they're established, some of
them more successful than others. And we've been lucky, as
I say, to a degree that the pressure of our
players leaving in large numbers for those tournaments and foregoing
a New Zealand contract in order to do so. But
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that is changing. We can see that very clearly. And
you know, look, I don't care about the n Z twenty.
I mean, if it works great and we get cash, great,
and we retain New Zealand's market players here, great, revitalize
fans terrific. But it's an important negotiation and New Zealand
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will inevitably lose control. They will lose something that's putting
it beyond our control. Why do we play the game here, guys?
We play it to give New Zealand as a chance
to enjoy cricket in some way, right from the kids,
me and my family playing on the park at the beach,
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getting into underage teams on Saturday, running up with a
pair of new boots hitting you on the back, over
your shoulder, up to the ground at Nenville Park, you know,
right through all the levels up to international stage. And
then you get overage teams or I go along and
umpire players who have got a job and a family
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who play the odd match in a private ground around
New Zealand. This New Zealand twenty is the start of
locating New Zealand cricket in a place where commercial interests
will hold increasing power and private I read somewhere there
was a sentence and I actually jotted it down. Private
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equity comes at a cost, and maybe we're about to
see what cricket will have to pay. Not a bad
little sentence.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
And Jerry, you've made some, as always, some highly salient
and important points there, and it is it is. It
is a real conundrum because if you don't do do something,
do we lose as a result of that? More of
the same didn't seem to be working, So to look
at something else seems to make some sense. But seeding control,
(24:45):
as you rightly point out, is a very much that
is that is a major decision for His Zealand cricket.
You're giving away control to capital into equity, to private
equity firms, and in my experience, the reason why private
equity does what it does it looks after its investors
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first and foremost. So you're right about that. It's all
about the money. We've been told though that this is
patient money, and they don't you know, look, they have it,
they have a fifteen ten year of view whatever. Yeah,
not my experience of private equity. Anyway, we shall see.
The other thing that does worry me is that there
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were statements made by some of the people that who
are involved in this that there'll be trickle down to
the major associations. Again, if that's the case, then I'm saying, well,
that's a good thing. I don't know quite how that works.
Is it come through some sort of royalty payment or
what was that like? I don't know. But if by
chance there is a trickle down, which I can't believe
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will happen, by the way, because private equity is not
about giving money away for free, then fine. But we've
been fed little items, a little bit of stuff's been
tossed out to us to sort of chew on. But
it's very hard to piece it together. But doing nothing
is not a decision for the New Zealand Cricket. They've
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got to do something, yep.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
And they've got to do it in a reasonable amount
of time. As Jeremy pointed out and we said earlier
that you know, they want this up and running in January.
That's when it's going to be ready.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
To go.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Well, it's got to be up and running within the
next two months, really, doesn't it, because they've got a
contract players and they've got to get the organization going together.
One day we will hear a little bit more from
New Zealand Cricket, we hope, just to see where this
is going and whether it's no longer in principle, but
they've actually decided to go with it and signed on
the dotted line. We will keep you up to dates
(26:45):
with that.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Brian Waddle, Jeremy Coney on the front foot.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Finally, this week on the front foot, sixteen frontline players
are missing from the black Caps team chosen for a
T twenty series with Bangladesh and in New Zealand A
two of Sri Lanka for two first class games and
two ody i's. Despite the absence of key players, coach
Rob Walter still has a competent squad of players for
the end of season campaign. He joins on the front Foot,
(27:12):
Rob encouraging that despite the players absently, there's enough depth
to fill two squads.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (27:18):
Absolutely great to see them back fit and healthy.
Speaker 7 (27:24):
And as you said to your first point is a
large number of New Zealand cricketers playing their trade in
various parts of the subcontinent, So you know, great opportunity
obviously for a lot of young cricketers to experience the subcontinent,
which is awesome for their development.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yeah, we're always proud of the depth we've got on
the game. Is this a satisfying thing? Are we really
pushing our depth for the lower level players underneath the
Test squad?
Speaker 7 (27:55):
Yeah, I mean, I still believe that any experience is
good experience. I think from sort of personal past experiences
of both Sri Lanka for the A side and Bangladesh
for the main Black Caps team is they always put
out good, good teams, highly competitive teams in their own environments.
So I think will be stretched there and will be challenged,
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no doubt in that aid to end that Black Caps
tour Bangladesh in Bangladesh or the tough proposition, and we've
seen that time and time again, and Sri Lanka have
a number of cricketers that have represented internationally. So I
would assume that the side that that turns out against
the end as it will be a really strong one
as well.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Disappointing outcome for the South African series, but you've stuck
with the players generally who have played in that series. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (28:47):
Absolutely. I think.
Speaker 7 (28:49):
One of the strengths of New Zealand cricketers has been
the way that we've been consistent with our selections and
given guys opportunity to play, to fail, to succeed, but
also to you know, to find their feet. International cricket
can be very challenging and brutal at times, so for
most of the players, you know, it's handy to give
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them a number of opportunities to just try and find
their feet, express themselves, get a good strong understanding of
the requirements of international cricket, understand where their games set
up and hard stack, how they stack up against international opposition.
And then if you can keep doing that and keep
coming back, then in no doubt you get better and grow.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
It's basically for white ball this tour, although the Ay
side are playing first class games in Sri Lanka so
there's a wider development. Will any of this play a
part in the selection of the team for England.
Speaker 7 (29:46):
I mean, obviously those two first class games are important
conditions you would suggest should be quite different and look
that the test that is fairly settled, fairly comfortable with
you know, with the players that have represented Albit that
against West Indies. We did also use a large number
of players given the injuries that we did have, So.
Speaker 6 (30:10):
You know, all performance is important.
Speaker 7 (30:12):
Does that mean that you know that that will be
a test squad selection criteria but probably not. But you know,
given the what we saw in the summer, you know
there's a lot of guys that are that need to
be ready given you know that we need to take
care of all eventualities from a team point of view.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
How strong was the temptation to perhaps include O'Connor from
Otago in the eight to a bearing in mind the
end of the season that he had for Otago and
his bowling.
Speaker 6 (30:42):
I mean, look, it's wonderful to see Tom come in
and do what he did.
Speaker 7 (30:47):
A left arm and us there's another left arm in
our system is handy and obviously you know, performed exceptionally
well to the back end of the season. But you know,
again I keep coming back to what has been the strength.
You know, strength has been acknowledging those that have performed
not just you know, one half of a season, but
season after season, giving those guys opportunities. You know, even
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though we have had another standout performer. So for me,
it's just to add him into the mix, make sure
that we take care of his development as much as
the next and hopefully he's on the next day to.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
It just a couple of quick ones. Any player is
not considered because of injury.
Speaker 7 (31:25):
No, not at not at the stage. I think we're
sort of at a clean bull of health.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
That's positive news as a home season comes to an end.
But Roberto also had time to reflect on a disappointing
T twenty result against a below strength South African side.
Speaker 6 (31:41):
It is a bit of a double edged sword.
Speaker 7 (31:42):
But again I mean, I don't think any player would
not benefit from having played that five minute series against
safe Good.
Speaker 6 (31:50):
You know, as a batting unit.
Speaker 7 (31:52):
The safe Can bowling lineup was a strong one one
with lots of international experience, World Cup experience as well,
So for them that would have been invaluable to you know,
to go hard and face that line lineup and then
you know, from a bowling point of view, again, like
T twenty, creaters was going to present challenges. We're going
to put you under pressure, so to just have a
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look at execution in pressure moments gives you good information.
Speaker 6 (32:18):
So whilst it wasn't the World Cup.
Speaker 7 (32:20):
Group that was appearing and that would would would be nice.
Of course, I still believe there's great value in those fixtures.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
As they head off overseas, you'd be obviously excited that
Will O'Rourke is fit, raring to go and looking to
get himself back into contention for the England series in June.
Speaker 7 (32:39):
I think you can take my excitement and double and
double it and you'll get to his. No, he's he's
worked incredibly odd to to to get back on the field.
That had to be very patient obviously with this type
of injury. But yeah, I'm super excited that he's that
he's bowling again and that hopefully all things going well,
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he'll be back on the field competing and that'll be
just the first step in his return to play and
having him available for that Test series, you know, would
be first price.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Life's a bit more encouraging for the black Caps now,
bearing in mind the situation that existed back in November.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
Yeah, definitely fingers crossed.
Speaker 7 (33:20):
I think a couple of weeks out from that rest
India series, everything was rosy and then it's started to
change pretty quickly. So hoping to you know, to not
be in a similar position, but you know, cricket is cricket.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
Things do happen.
Speaker 7 (33:33):
I think what we did learn was, you know that
the guys that came in, they stood up, they delivered
for their country. We managed to deliver performances that got
us over the line. So and again to come back
to these tours that are about to happen, I think
that just continues to put more people in the frame,
gives more people the experience, and gives us a broader
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group of players to pick from if we would need to.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Yees. So we've got forty six players representing New Zealand
this year, seventeen in the big money in the IPL,
and we've picked Sea team well one of them's a
New Zealand A team and it's great to see some
of those players go. I just have a couple of questions.
Is everybody being short changed by this?
Speaker 4 (34:18):
Now?
Speaker 2 (34:18):
I think we've been short changed by a B South
African team coming to New Zealand and playing New Zealand B. Admittedly,
there will be opportunities for players and they will have
achieved something I'm sure from it, But if I'm a
cricket fan and it might be what you were addressing, Jerry.
I want to see our best players here at home
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playing when they come back from the world t tw Eddy.
I wanted to see Finn Allen, Tim seifertt Ratch and Ravendra,
Daryl Mitchell, all those players he took part. That's what
I pay them money through the gate for. That's why
I'm not going to go and buy chips at the
bloody Wellington Stadium anymore.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
It's not the fact that there are new players there.
I think you always need to have a balance between
experienced players and your proper Usually one or mo two
guys into the side. They can sit in the changing room,
they can change alongside these guys, they can watch how
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they prepare, they can get out into the game, maybe
take a catch, do their business, and you slowly build
your way into the side.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
You don't normally start opening. You start at number six
or wherever it is and work your way up or down.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
And that's the way it's been in the past, and
it's been a successful way.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
To have eight and nine new players.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
Yeah, that does start affecting things quite a bit, but
that's I'm afraid things that have changed that have forced
these numbers to come together in the one side. I
don't see there's a way around that at the moment.
Do we want to play against Bangladesh? Yes?
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Do we want to play and spinning conditions?
Speaker 5 (36:10):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Do we want to prepare players? Yes?
Speaker 5 (36:15):
The question is how many at a time and so on,
And we haven't been able to quite balance that, and
it won't be balanced either, I'm afraid, but you're right.
The other thing I'd like to just quickly mention mate
of mine said he took his two kids down to
watch one of those tea twenties you're talking about Wadds
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and against South Africa, and he said, what on earth
are they taking drinks at nine to twenty in a
tea twenty match? They're taking drinks in the dark, and
it's ridiculous. This is supposed to be a format that
has surely interests kids in wanting to play the game.
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It's freezing at night. Sometimes it gets cooler at night,
fellas it gets darker, and you know, it's not quite
the game.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
All the time at night.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
I think the point that Moose made about Amelia Cursionings
that was playing during the day, cricket was a game
meant for the day and for the light, and so
you know, I just think we're not We're getting the
balance of things not quite right all the time.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
I reflected on pretty the season in New Zealand and
it all feels a bit hollow and someone empty. We
had a couple of tests against the West Indies which
didn't last very long, which I considered now in the
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distant memory somewhat apparently we've had a couple of tests
that boost people's averages in Zimbabwe then, but we didn't
really see anything per se. We've had some strange sort
of one day series which was sort of eked out,
and then we've had a World Cup twenty twenty which
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was not in this country, which we quite enjoyed, but
I felt rather flat about it all because and part
of my research for this, I actually wandered down to
the Art Roval to see Canterbury play Auckland at Eton
Park last week and there was some very very useful
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cricketers going around me and about thirty other people were there.
Now I just and it's a great pity because there's
some very very good cricketers being played being played, and
I just I looked in and I was actually left
the place a little bit sad, a sad old moose really,
and I just thought this is not how it kind
of should be because one year good cricket is, you're
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playing beautifully. Was watching Dale Phillips awsin this guy's sheep bowling.
Yeah he's useful, quite quick. Yeah. They were there, me
and me and twenty others, and probably half of them
are family. I feel a bit hollow and have it
cheated really?
Speaker 5 (39:09):
Yeah, well it's interesting you say that. Can I make
a point about the result. I mean, this is a
result after thirty two days of cricket to win the
Plunket Shield five months November and December. It started finished
in February March, and after all the batting points, bonus points,
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the bowling bonus points, two teams ended up with the
same number of points, didn't they and four wins, the
same number of wins, one loss each.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
They played each other twice and both were draws, and
then the same number of points.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
As I say, at the end, somewhere somebody deepened the
bowels of n z Sea has decided that with all
the different seasons and the different pitches and the different
sized grounds, the different ground staff with different equipment, different
amounts of rain and delays, and different amounts of time
to create and capture a win, all the controversial decisions
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by umps, dropped catches, everything that determines a win, a loss,
or a draw, and then we must finally have a winner.
You know, Cricket is a conditions based game. And whether
it's the weather or the grass or the soil of
the ground, staff and all those sorts of things. All right, Look,
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someone decides it's a point based competition.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
You know what. It reminded me of Wads July twenty ninety.
Speaker 5 (40:47):
Reminded me exactly of that where one team has to win.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
You know.
Speaker 5 (40:54):
The point is that when both sides, you know, are
the same, then you have to make some choices. Now
you either say let's give it both and let them
share it, or do you start to go on a
hunt to make make sure that one team wins.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
And it's ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
Well, yes, and I accept your point Jerry about it,
but I think I have a broader point on this,
which is really.
Speaker 5 (41:22):
Pluck.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
It is the former cricket that well, okay, I'm old school.
That's what I love most and I enjoy watching most.
It has time you sit on the bank and you
do those sorts of things. But unfortunately I did try
to check out what Wellington's performances were, which were lamentable,
having almost won it last year, but this year what
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happened but the quality of cricket down the out arrival
a couple of days last week Canterbury Auckland was pretty
good and I enjoyed it, and I will happily go
down and watch that, but sadly no one else does.
More's the pity.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Yes, well, as president of Workington, of course I join
your sentiments. That was a disappointing outcome of coming last,
and a very good last. In fact, Daylight was between
fifth and sixth. Sadly I have to accept. But I
take Jerry's point two about the fact that you know, good,
well done Canterbury. They had a good year. Henry Nichols
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deserved to lift a trophy of some kind and he
got the best cricketer of the year for batting, had
a good year, et cetera, et cetera. It was one
hundredth edition of the Plunket Shield. But when it's all
decided on net run rate, played in different conditions all
over the place, you've had a bit of rain, you've
had a game washed out, all those sorts of things.
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If you come even what's wrong with sharing the title?
Is there not a problem with that?
Speaker 4 (42:47):
Maybe there's not enough room on the on the bar
for the engraver.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
Perhaps, Oh they can just build a new building.
Speaker 5 (42:55):
Well, take off Canterbury. That's a very long name, you know,
it is though. It's like kind of two fifteen year
olds crossing the line together after a five mile race,
isn't it. They can't be separated. So you give it
to the one with more pimples, you know, because well
because they're less stream they're less streamlined, you see. Or
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you give it to the one which has got less
tread on the on the sandshoes. It's silly, isn't it.
It should be given to the team which has got
more grass stains.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
On their knees.
Speaker 5 (43:28):
So that I mean it's you get to silly things
because even even net runs per wicket, which they take
it down to, one team has got a better batting
pitch probably than the other.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
And that means that your team, if you bat well.
Speaker 5 (43:46):
Enough, your side has a much better chance for your bowlers,
doesn't it. And you could also say to Otago or whatever.
You've got a better bowl a bowling pitched about. You
should have won an extra game. That's fine, but it
just doesn't seem right to me. You never say in
a team meeting, do you now remember?
Speaker 3 (44:04):
Ads? It's net runs per wicket. It's it's just silly thing.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Yeah, I could just add one final point. What about
a final between the top two sides qualifying and player
final and let's have a five day final and get
a result. They used to play a final in the
Plunket Shield.
Speaker 4 (44:26):
Well, once upon a time I played one of those, Brian,
That's true. Yeah we did, Yeah, beaten by the Otago
boys in down A carris Brook. That's right.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
The problem is orchistrators have got more important things to
worry about at the moment. I think, haven't they finding
a new chief executive for the company and then getting
a T twenty competition up and running. But and a
board member and another board member. And I've got to
give Nash credit there. He stood for his belief in
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the back and you know, rather than stick around and
do something he did agree with, he's gone. And I
think that that's respectable.
Speaker 4 (45:13):
I think on deal Nash and i've and I've heard
him speak on a couple of occasions. He's he is
a thoughtful, experience businessman in his own right, and and
I think it's a pity that he is no longer
there and that his that his experience both in the
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game and outside of the game in the commercial world
is lost, which I those sort of skills and talents
are hard to find and and I don't think the
current board probably has sufficient of those in its current form.
So I think it's a great, great pity, But all
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all part of him for saying, well, it's not for me,
and I have my point, and I'll move on, and
I've got I've got other things to do. But it's
a pity, and I think he's a good man.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
Lost all right, guys, thanks very much for your time.
Once again, it's an issue we will be talking about
more and more. And of course we've got a team
heading off to Bangladesh and one heading off to Sri Lanka.
We will watch them closely on the internet because I
don't think we'll see much of them anywhere in the
in the near future, and we'll keep in mind what's
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going on with Inded thready.
Speaker 5 (46:33):
So you allow to go onste Chamoum
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A question? Will try to answer on the front foot
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with Remy Coney and Peter Holland's back on us again
and well on the positive notes, We've got a hall
of Famer with us, Jeremy Caney.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
And I'm genuflecting now and bowing to the greatness of
our learned colleague. Much deserved on my dad.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I quite agree and as part of the hall of fame,
of course, he will be shouting us all to dinner somewhere,
won't he.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Mate, I'll be looking forward to you too.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
I couldn't think of a better two reprobates that I
could actually come and have a few with That would
be great. I must was pretty surprised. Came out of
the blue, and I thought it was actually probably an error.
A clerical eraror someone had written my name.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
The requirements.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
Anyway, let's not waste any more time on this and
let's move on. There's plenty of things to talk about once.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yes, no, I've got to say it's well deserved, Jerry,
after your years of contribution to New Zealand cricket. One
of the things that has taken private place, I suppose
in terms of the playing of the game is the
women's series against South Africa. And there's been a lot
of talk about Millie Kerr one hundred and seventy nine,
and it gets to a stage when somebody scores big
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the social pages start elevating them now to the greatest
cricketer New Zealand. New Zealand has produced, not just the
greatest women's cricketer that New Zealand has produced, but the
greatest cricketer. I'm not sure that she would lay claim
to that, But it was still an outstanding innings, wasn't it?
One hundred and seventy nine? She carried the side through
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after what was a pretty ordinary performance, wasn't it in
the in the field against that South African? So it'd
only dropped seven catches on bad really? Was it? I?
Speaker 5 (03:04):
Look, it was simply just the major component in the game,
wasn't it. I have had time to have a look
at that, fellas. You know, you get matches like that,
don't you on a good surface. I'd have to say,
at the basin small boundaries, and one player who has
some quality has a really good day and opens out
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their game and delivers something special and it kind of
stays with you. You know, she should have been angry. Actually,
from what you've spoken about. I watched the fielding effort.
They're not a team of athletes that they simply don't
move fast enough or throw accurately with some pace.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
We know that most teams.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
Put catchers down, but boy did they say to South Africa,
help yourself here, Fellas. There's a big total coming up
and it's not as if their bowling attack can deal
with that.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Is it?
Speaker 5 (04:00):
This New Zealand side they need help from the field,
and she came in in the fifth over chasing this total,
and she batted throughout the rest of the inning, so
she managed the entire chase, scored over half the South
African total one hundred and seventy nine off one thirty
nine ninety two of them and boundary in boundary, so
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ninety eight in boundaries. What I like about her players,
she tends to the classical. She plays along the ground,
she drives on the off side, she punches, she cuts,
that's how she started, both sides of the ground though.
And fancy flicks, yeah, she can do them, but predominantly
she uses the full face.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
So I like all that.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
She sees length and line quickly because then with the
cuts and the third man that forces the bowl at
the bowl straight. So then she goes down the ground
and leg side. I saw a bit of T twenty
stuff from her, you know, where a front leg opens
out a webit and she hits naturally to the stronger
leg side, but which is not as aesthetic me but
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very effective. So the last thing I saw from her
was control. She looked calm right through her innings. She
looked calm. She had bottled up and locked it, and
she was locked into the contest. No big celebration when
she got to things. Sure, seven of her mates go
when she came in, you know, some pretty average stuff,
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but she stayed poker faced and she got.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
The job done.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
And she'll play more good innings, guys, won't she because
she is a good player, but not many better.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
She had one little drop.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
To the keeper doesn't see that she played, but a
wide range of shots against the runners up in the
World Cup, passy innings.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
The interesting thing about this is that had it not
been for frankly a pretty palling effort in the field,
we would never have been privileged to watch such a
fantastic innings on. By the way, a really good cricket
ground with a decent wicket in daylight, and I think
all of those in factors to make four. What became,
I think is a fabulous settings. I'm not going to
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use the word great, but a fabulous settings of a
really really, really very good cricketer. And I think she's
only twenty five. I think it is, my lord, and
she sounds she's been playing cricket almost for ten years.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
But this is a.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Truly special player and as world class of the rest
that could not be said, I think, and we are
very reliant and have been in the women's game on
the performance of Sushi Divine prior to that, Bates of Bats,
who's sort of the last few years hasn't really been delivering.
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But it's been very reliant on the performances of one
or two and then the rest of them haven't really
delivered it. And unless we get that outstanding performance, New
Zealand doesn't perform. I mean, frankly, we got lucky in
the TWEE twenty and we ed it off and gets
relayed that we are well ampions. That would pure lark really,
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because I think South Africa beat Australia at the time
and we've got a leg leg up. But Eminika is
a fabulous player and we just should we should, we
should enjoy it. And I love watching her play cricket.
That's the other thing. She doesn't get funky. She plays
proper cricket shots and by the way, it's dann fine bowler, it's.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Yeah. And she's got a fairly good technical brain, it seems,
and she's going to be under pressure at time, but
I don't know that people giving her the tag of
greatness is something that she needs to carry around with
her at the moment. Just let her play the game
and play the way that she's done. She's a fabulous
cricket to watch, as you say, and it was a
lovely evenings, so to enjoy.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
I do observe. I do observe the you know, I
listened to the meat the radio a fair bit while
I'm thinking away at work and stuff, and there is
a preponderance of of of of a fusive sort of
support and commentary about about this which maybe could be
tempted somewhat. I'm just probably leave it at that.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Yeah, I listened to the TV.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
Because I watched the highlights and they kind of in
the field they say, oh was that Ah, was that
a catch?
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Oh? Yes it was, and then that's that's about it,
you know, that's all they say.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
It's extraordinary how the commentary has gone now to try
and rule the catch quite a big moment in the
game out and reduce it.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I've got a mute button which works well, so I
don't have to put up with any of that sort
of stuff. But should our White Ferns be playing a
test match against Australia Australia have offered them a chance
to play a Test match. It's been turned down. I
don't know why they don't think that they would be
ready or prepared. I think forget that if the Osites
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want to play a Test match against US, play them,
don't we Well?
Speaker 4 (09:09):
My opinion is I think it's the well biased best
form of the game. However, our women do not play
any cricket of apart from Franklin one day cricket ody
That's that's it, And so they would come in well underdone.
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And and Australia are very powerful at this form of
the game because they apart from who else do they play.
They play England, they were playing in the recently. Yeah,
and I think they played South Africa in these But
I would have thought it would have been a wonderful opportunity,
probably play on a fabless cricket ground in Australia. For
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our women to play this it's it's it's a you
know they're not going to get many of them, but
I suspect it's a it's a it's a it's a
decision made out of not wanting to be not out
of fear. It would be my observation that's not a
big concind.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
Yeah, not wanting to be embarrassed, I think is quite
a strong feeling. And then there might even be even
some of the people gosh, these girls can be damaged.
These girls could be damaged here. We might have a
bit of work to do after. I do think that
a it, But the fact of it is, you know,
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it would be very good for these players to start
thinking about, here is the thing that is going to happen,
and when was it? Wadds January, February whatever, and then
and work towards it. And so they have little marks
along the way to say, well, we'll need to do this,
We'll need to do that, We'll need to have a
game there, We'll need to do three days there and
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build themselves up to do that so that they're not
quite so embarrassed and they do come back for a
second spell of six overs, and that they can last
out there for a while and they can bat two hours,
you know. And what would happen then is our one
day game would become stronger. They'd be better at judging
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a single. That'd be you know, it feeds off each other,
these these formats. So I think.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Give it a crack myself.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
Yes, the chances are you're going to be beaten maybe
in two days, who knows, But give it a crack
and start to do it.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Yeah, at the end of it, I.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
Couldn't agree more. I just think it's a It's just
a great opportunity to experience the essence of the game.
And why wouldn't you just grab it well, open arms
and have have a go. I was looking at some
of the other players and there's someone like Maddy Green
who's played one hundred and twenty one T twenties and
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ninety three ODIs that's all. He's basically all he's played.
Would you say, God, how good to go out there
and bet on a decent day week and somewhere in Australia.
That would just be a fantastic opportunity for a player
and to be fulfillment of a career. So I agree
with you. You and it's not impossible you could do that.
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Get your bowl has been loaning out of bowl twenty
hours in a day.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
It's just simply fitness and absolutely absolutely and you need.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Only look at the partnership between Halliday and Green that
led a recovery from three for three in the series,
deciding ode I with South Africa to see that New
Zealand are capable of batting time. Back in March nineteen
forty six, New Zealand played Australia in a Test match
at the Base in Reserve and we're all out for
forty six and fifty four. But we kept go on playing,
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didn't we? And yeah, that time comes sometimes you are
going to get embarrassed. But if you don't try, you
don't get anything and you don't achieve anything. So I
think they should have tried and bitten the bullet, so
to speak.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Brian Waddell, Jeremy Coney on the front foot talk.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
About biting the bullet. Cricket administrators are biting the bullet
over a New Zealand T twenty competition. Is it feasible
they've made a decision in principle? What the hell does
that mean? They haven't even decided yet. They've made a
decision in principle to go with the NZ twenty. Big
Rashley seem to be out of the way. So what
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are we going to see from this? What do we
expect to see? I think we need to see submergency
in terms of making a decision on this if they
wanted to start running in January next year. Better, Holland,
you've been following it closer, you understand what's been going on.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Yes, well, well as close as one can because the
information that seems to be available, which New Zealand Cricket
presumably still don't have, because they haven't made a categoric
decision as to the as to proceeding with it, and
hence the reason for an in principle support. Now that's
a that's a way of saying that, well, yeah, we
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like the idea, but we haven't really seen enough and
we don't know how you're going to do it, but
good luck and you go and fill your boots and
see what we can do the issues that I have.
Heath Mills, soon to be retiring Sea of Plants Association
has said that we're twenty to twenty five people interested. Well,
interest is something different from and I like Heath and
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I you know that's no problem. But tell me why
someone's going to come and invest into New Zealand. And yes,
they use the Caribbean as an example of one that
didn't start. The Caribbean T twenty series didn't start profitably.
At what is now, But maybe that's a function of
its proximity, it's time zone relative to North America, possibly
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also India, I'm not sure. But for New Zealand, we'll
asked of the party, why would I invest into New
Zealand on at a time zone which maybe helps. At
the same time the big bashes on cricket and the
T twenty series in South Africa's happening. I just I
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want to see something happen, of course, I just don't
see how it's going to happen. The other point that
seems to be being made is that the the players,
of course, are very very supportive of it. Well, of
course they are, because they're all going to get gigs,
aren't they right. That doesn't make it any better, no, nothing,
all with that hate all proud of them. They are
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all going to get gigs, and then so and so
with the women and also fantastic. But where does this
Where does the magic money tree?
Speaker 5 (15:44):
Now?
Speaker 4 (15:44):
We know there is money out there, The money is
looking for a home. I mean, you know, we're getting
T twenty clubs being set up in Scotland, in Amsterdam
and wherever else. So it's all trying to find a home,
but it'll go in a rush early days if they
can get it up and going very quickly. I don't
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know where they're going to play these games another story. Well, yeah,
but I look, you don't you don't want to die
wondering is my view. But I just think there is
a lot of gaps that need to be filled. There
are a lot of gaps that need to be filled,
and I don't think they've got enough time to do
it because we're now in in April and there's not Basically,
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you need to be done and dusted within six months,
so they're going to be ready by in order to
create a competition for early early January next year. Yep.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
And I've got to I've got to sign up players.
And you talk about venues, the last place I want
to see is the Wellington Stadium being used. I toss
my toys at the women's game because I wanted to
buy a punt of chips for eight dollars, you know,
I mean, so what did I do? I went up
with two five dollar notes. We don't take cash here.
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You have to play by card. You'll have to play
by cards. I said, no, I won't, I'm going and
I left the chips and went home. No, min that
that's just another story. Jerry. You'd love to go to
the world.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
You do get difficult patrons, don't you, Moose.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
It wasn't difficult.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
No, No, they were doing your favorite and your waistline.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Brian, thanks for your support, guys. Yeah, you can pay
cash at the base in reserve.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
Well, some things occur to me about this is that
it's a shift of governance, that's the first thing. And
the funding of the game in New Zealand. Private equity
owners are not responsible to the Board of New Zealand
Cricket or their CEO or an MA or the National selectors.
They won't feel the need to care about women, the
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women's game or where they come from. They're here to
make money eventually, and all that has the potential, I
think to create tension New Zealand. You know they ran
the Super Smash comp. They won't run the end Z twenty.
That will be a private company and the details of
how that will work we just don't know yet. And
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WHENI and Nash did not like the direction of travel,
and that's fine. Look New Zealand's size and our numbers
are at the mercy. I think of global financial forces.
Aren't they look at the diesel and the petrol at
the moment?
Speaker 2 (18:38):
You know.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
It may be that this end Z twenty improves the
back balance, bank balance and improves participation or even.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Interest in the community.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
I don't know, but this phase of the negotiation is important.
And do not stuff this up in New Zealand Cricket board,
because you're seeding control. You are handing over the ownership
and the running of the most critical money unit in
the spread of format that you have to another entity who,
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when it comes to it, won't care about New Zealand
doing well in World Cups or in bilateral competition, you know,
or youngsters developing through stages or women improving their game.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
They won't.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
And also you are giving away about half of the
best time to play cricket in New Zealand, when you know,
and when the pictures are better, when the conditions are warmer,
and those days when you know people used to get
out on the sit on a bank and maybe take
the score with the family and in their holidays. And
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you are consigning test cricket to November and December when
you go to watch with the increased chances of showers
or unreliable weather, greener surfaces to play on. It will
affect the balance of sides, like less spin involved keepers
standing up captaining spin, all that stuff, if you know
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what I mean. The hardened cricket supporters in New Zealand
will not enjoy that. I would say, you'd probably lose
more money than you already are from the test format.
Now can New Zealand Cricket continue to act in the
public interest? This is a new private company. They will
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not be interested in that. They are not really interested
in the women's regional representation unless it makes money.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Why should it.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
It's just not on the buar's list of priorities, is it.
And player development is not a priority either to them.
They might say, oh, yeah, we want a few young
players coming through to be in our franchise teams.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
But you've got to be careful. I think that long
term plans aren't swapped for short term money.
Speaker 5 (20:59):
And I just think how grand will, as Moose says,
how grand will does a new competition be. I'm not
just sure what labor force can be garnered for six teams. Yeah,
what do you want to say something?
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Yeah, I was just going to say, then, why do
we bother with the T twenty performer or competition. Why
don't we just to skip out and not have one.
We will then fall by the wayside, won't we. We
have to be part of the T twenty international program,
don't we? Otherwise our players are going to say see
you and we don't even have a test team or
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a one day team. Isn't that a possibility?
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Well that's well, that's the reason we're kind of looking.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
Isn't it that we are now Suddenly we are not
divorced from the rest of the world, and we are
small in our numbers, as I say, and all our
better players. We can't keep our better players here. They'll
all be off in larger numbers. And that's what's happening.
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Look at the teams that are going who've just played
against South Africa. Look at the teams that are going
to Bangladesh. They are not They are not our strong sides.
Why because all our better players are away in these
other competitions that we are talking about. It's already loaded
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up with the Big Bash SA twenty, ILT twenty, the
Bangladesh competition. They're up, they're running, they're established, some of
them more successful than others. And we've been lucky, as
I say, to a degree that the pressure of our
players leaving in large numbers for those tournaments and foregoing
a New Zealand contract in order to do so. But
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that is changing. We can see that very clearly. And
you know, look, I don't care about the n Z twenty.
I mean, if it works great and we get cash, great,
and we retain New Zealand's market players here, great, revitalize
fans terrific. But it's an important negotiation and New Zealand
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will inevitably lose control. They will lose something that's putting
it beyond our control. Why do we play the game here, guys?
We play it to give New Zealand as a chance
to enjoy cricket in some way, right from the kids,
me and my family playing on the park at the beach,
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getting into underage teams on Saturday, running up with a
pair of new boots hitting you on the back, over
your shoulder, up to the ground at Nenville Park, you know,
right through all the levels up to international stage. And
then you get overage teams or I go along and
umpire players who have got a job and a family
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who play the odd match in a private ground around
New Zealand. This New Zealand twenty is the start of
locating New Zealand cricket in a place where commercial interests
will hold increasing power and private I read somewhere there
was a sentence and I actually jotted it down. Private
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equity comes at a cost, and maybe we're about to
see what cricket will have to pay. Not a bad
little sentence.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
And Jerry, you've made some, as always, some highly salient
and important points there, and it is it is. It
is a real conundrum because if you don't do do something,
do we lose as a result of that? More of
the same didn't seem to be working, So to look
at something else seems to make some sense. But seeding control,
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as you rightly point out, is a very much that
is that is a major decision for His Zealand cricket.
You're giving away control to capital into equity, to private
equity firms, and in my experience, the reason why private
equity does what it does it looks after its investors
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first and foremost. So you're right about that. It's all
about the money. We've been told though that this is
patient money, and they don't you know, look, they have it,
they have a fifteen ten year of view whatever. Yeah,
not my experience of private equity. Anyway, we shall see.
The other thing that does worry me is that there
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were statements made by some of the people that who
are involved in this that there'll be trickle down to
the major associations. Again, if that's the case, then I'm saying, well,
that's a good thing. I don't know quite how that works.
Is it come through some sort of royalty payment or
what was that like? I don't know. But if by
chance there is a trickle down, which I can't believe
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will happen, by the way, because private equity is not
about giving money away for free, then fine. But we've
been fed little items, a little bit of stuff's been
tossed out to us to sort of chew on. But
it's very hard to piece it together. But doing nothing
is not a decision for the New Zealand Cricket. They've
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got to do something, yep.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
And they've got to do it in a reasonable amount
of time. As Jeremy pointed out and we said earlier
that you know, they want this up and running in January.
That's when it's going to be ready.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
To go.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Well, it's got to be up and running within the
next two months, really, doesn't it, because they've got a
contract players and they've got to get the organization going together.
One day we will hear a little bit more from
New Zealand Cricket, we hope, just to see where this
is going and whether it's no longer in principle, but
they've actually decided to go with it and signed on
the dotted line. We will keep you up to dates
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with that.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Brian Waddle, Jeremy Coney on the front foot.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Finally, this week on the front foot, sixteen frontline players
are missing from the black Caps team chosen for a
T twenty series with Bangladesh and in New Zealand A
two of Sri Lanka for two first class games and
two ody i's. Despite the absence of key players, coach
Rob Walter still has a competent squad of players for
the end of season campaign. He joins on the front Foot,
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Rob encouraging that despite the players absently, there's enough depth
to fill two squads.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (27:18):
Absolutely great to see them back fit and healthy.
Speaker 7 (27:24):
And as you said to your first point is a
large number of New Zealand cricketers playing their trade in
various parts of the subcontinent, So you know, great opportunity
obviously for a lot of young cricketers to experience the subcontinent,
which is awesome for their development.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yeah, we're always proud of the depth we've got on
the game. Is this a satisfying thing? Are we really
pushing our depth for the lower level players underneath the
Test squad?
Speaker 7 (27:55):
Yeah, I mean, I still believe that any experience is
good experience. I think from sort of personal past experiences
of both Sri Lanka for the A side and Bangladesh
for the main Black Caps team is they always put
out good, good teams, highly competitive teams in their own environments.
So I think will be stretched there and will be challenged,
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no doubt in that aid to end that Black Caps
tour Bangladesh in Bangladesh or the tough proposition, and we've
seen that time and time again, and Sri Lanka have
a number of cricketers that have represented internationally. So I
would assume that the side that that turns out against
the end as it will be a really strong one
as well.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Disappointing outcome for the South African series, but you've stuck
with the players generally who have played in that series. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (28:47):
Absolutely. I think.
Speaker 7 (28:49):
One of the strengths of New Zealand cricketers has been
the way that we've been consistent with our selections and
given guys opportunity to play, to fail, to succeed, but
also to you know, to find their feet. International cricket
can be very challenging and brutal at times, so for
most of the players, you know, it's handy to give
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them a number of opportunities to just try and find
their feet, express themselves, get a good strong understanding of
the requirements of international cricket, understand where their games set
up and hard stack, how they stack up against international opposition.
And then if you can keep doing that and keep
coming back, then in no doubt you get better and grow.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
It's basically for white ball this tour, although the Ay
side are playing first class games in Sri Lanka so
there's a wider development. Will any of this play a
part in the selection of the team for England.
Speaker 7 (29:46):
I mean, obviously those two first class games are important
conditions you would suggest should be quite different and look
that the test that is fairly settled, fairly comfortable with
you know, with the players that have represented Albit that
against West Indies. We did also use a large number
of players given the injuries that we did have, So.
Speaker 6 (30:10):
You know, all performance is important.
Speaker 7 (30:12):
Does that mean that you know that that will be
a test squad selection criteria but probably not. But you know,
given the what we saw in the summer, you know
there's a lot of guys that are that need to
be ready given you know that we need to take
care of all eventualities from a team point of view.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
How strong was the temptation to perhaps include O'Connor from
Otago in the eight to a bearing in mind the
end of the season that he had for Otago and
his bowling.
Speaker 6 (30:42):
I mean, look, it's wonderful to see Tom come in
and do what he did.
Speaker 7 (30:47):
A left arm and us there's another left arm in
our system is handy and obviously you know, performed exceptionally
well to the back end of the season. But you know,
again I keep coming back to what has been the strength.
You know, strength has been acknowledging those that have performed
not just you know, one half of a season, but
season after season, giving those guys opportunities. You know, even
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though we have had another standout performer. So for me,
it's just to add him into the mix, make sure
that we take care of his development as much as
the next and hopefully he's on the next day to.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
It just a couple of quick ones. Any player is
not considered because of injury.
Speaker 7 (31:25):
No, not at not at the stage. I think we're
sort of at a clean bull of health.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
That's positive news as a home season comes to an end.
But Roberto also had time to reflect on a disappointing
T twenty result against a below strength South African side.
Speaker 6 (31:41):
It is a bit of a double edged sword.
Speaker 7 (31:42):
But again I mean, I don't think any player would
not benefit from having played that five minute series against
safe Good.
Speaker 6 (31:50):
You know, as a batting unit.
Speaker 7 (31:52):
The safe Can bowling lineup was a strong one one
with lots of international experience, World Cup experience as well,
So for them that would have been invaluable to you know,
to go hard and face that line lineup and then
you know, from a bowling point of view, again, like
T twenty, creaters was going to present challenges. We're going
to put you under pressure, so to just have a
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look at execution in pressure moments gives you good information.
Speaker 6 (32:18):
So whilst it wasn't the World Cup.
Speaker 7 (32:20):
Group that was appearing and that would would would be nice.
Of course, I still believe there's great value in those fixtures.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
As they head off overseas, you'd be obviously excited that
Will O'Rourke is fit, raring to go and looking to
get himself back into contention for the England series in June.
Speaker 7 (32:39):
I think you can take my excitement and double and
double it and you'll get to his. No, he's he's
worked incredibly odd to to to get back on the field.
That had to be very patient obviously with this type
of injury. But yeah, I'm super excited that he's that
he's bowling again and that hopefully all things going well,
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he'll be back on the field competing and that'll be
just the first step in his return to play and
having him available for that Test series, you know, would
be first price.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Life's a bit more encouraging for the black Caps now,
bearing in mind the situation that existed back in November.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
Yeah, definitely fingers crossed.
Speaker 7 (33:20):
I think a couple of weeks out from that rest
India series, everything was rosy and then it's started to
change pretty quickly. So hoping to you know, to not
be in a similar position, but you know, cricket is cricket.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
Things do happen.
Speaker 7 (33:33):
I think what we did learn was, you know that
the guys that came in, they stood up, they delivered
for their country. We managed to deliver performances that got
us over the line. So and again to come back
to these tours that are about to happen, I think
that just continues to put more people in the frame,
gives more people the experience, and gives us a broader
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group of players to pick from if we would need to.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Yees. So we've got forty six players representing New Zealand
this year, seventeen in the big money in the IPL,
and we've picked Sea team well one of them's a
New Zealand A team and it's great to see some
of those players go. I just have a couple of questions.
Is everybody being short changed by this?
Speaker 4 (34:18):
Now?
Speaker 2 (34:18):
I think we've been short changed by a B South
African team coming to New Zealand and playing New Zealand B. Admittedly,
there will be opportunities for players and they will have
achieved something I'm sure from it, But if I'm a
cricket fan and it might be what you were addressing, Jerry.
I want to see our best players here at home
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playing when they come back from the world t tw Eddy.
I wanted to see Finn Allen, Tim seifertt Ratch and Ravendra,
Daryl Mitchell, all those players he took part. That's what
I pay them money through the gate for. That's why
I'm not going to go and buy chips at the
bloody Wellington Stadium anymore.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
It's not the fact that there are new players there.
I think you always need to have a balance between
experienced players and your proper Usually one or mo two
guys into the side. They can sit in the changing room,
they can change alongside these guys, they can watch how
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they prepare, they can get out into the game, maybe
take a catch, do their business, and you slowly build
your way into the side.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
You don't normally start opening. You start at number six
or wherever it is and work your way up or down.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
And that's the way it's been in the past, and
it's been a successful way.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
To have eight and nine new players.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
Yeah, that does start affecting things quite a bit, but
that's I'm afraid things that have changed that have forced
these numbers to come together in the one side. I
don't see there's a way around that at the moment.
Do we want to play against Bangladesh? Yes?
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Do we want to play and spinning conditions?
Speaker 5 (36:10):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Do we want to prepare players? Yes?
Speaker 5 (36:15):
The question is how many at a time and so on,
And we haven't been able to quite balance that, and
it won't be balanced either, I'm afraid, but you're right.
The other thing I'd like to just quickly mention mate
of mine said he took his two kids down to
watch one of those tea twenties you're talking about Wadds
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and against South Africa, and he said, what on earth
are they taking drinks at nine to twenty in a
tea twenty match? They're taking drinks in the dark, and
it's ridiculous. This is supposed to be a format that
has surely interests kids in wanting to play the game.
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It's freezing at night. Sometimes it gets cooler at night,
fellas it gets darker, and you know, it's not quite
the game.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
All the time at night.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
I think the point that Moose made about Amelia Cursionings
that was playing during the day, cricket was a game
meant for the day and for the light, and so
you know, I just think we're not We're getting the
balance of things not quite right all the time.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
I reflected on pretty the season in New Zealand and
it all feels a bit hollow and someone empty. We
had a couple of tests against the West Indies which
didn't last very long, which I considered now in the
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distant memory somewhat apparently we've had a couple of tests
that boost people's averages in Zimbabwe then, but we didn't
really see anything per se. We've had some strange sort
of one day series which was sort of eked out,
and then we've had a World Cup twenty twenty which
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was not in this country, which we quite enjoyed, but
I felt rather flat about it all because and part
of my research for this, I actually wandered down to
the Art Roval to see Canterbury play Auckland at Eton
Park last week and there was some very very useful
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cricketers going around me and about thirty other people were there.
Now I just and it's a great pity because there's
some very very good cricketers being played being played, and
I just I looked in and I was actually left
the place a little bit sad, a sad old moose really,
and I just thought this is not how it kind
of should be because one year good cricket is, you're
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playing beautifully. Was watching Dale Phillips awsin this guy's sheep bowling.
Yeah he's useful, quite quick. Yeah. They were there, me
and me and twenty others, and probably half of them
are family. I feel a bit hollow and have it
cheated really?
Speaker 5 (39:09):
Yeah, well it's interesting you say that. Can I make
a point about the result. I mean, this is a
result after thirty two days of cricket to win the
Plunket Shield five months November and December. It started finished
in February March, and after all the batting points, bonus points,
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the bowling bonus points, two teams ended up with the
same number of points, didn't they and four wins, the
same number of wins, one loss each.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
They played each other twice and both were draws, and
then the same number of points.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
As I say, at the end, somewhere somebody deepened the
bowels of n z Sea has decided that with all
the different seasons and the different pitches and the different
sized grounds, the different ground staff with different equipment, different
amounts of rain and delays, and different amounts of time
to create and capture a win, all the controversial decisions
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by umps, dropped catches, everything that determines a win, a loss,
or a draw, and then we must finally have a winner.
You know, Cricket is a conditions based game. And whether
it's the weather or the grass or the soil of
the ground, staff and all those sorts of things. All right, Look,
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someone decides it's a point based competition.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
You know what. It reminded me of Wads July twenty ninety.
Speaker 5 (40:47):
Reminded me exactly of that where one team has to win.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
You know.
Speaker 5 (40:54):
The point is that when both sides, you know, are
the same, then you have to make some choices. Now
you either say let's give it both and let them
share it, or do you start to go on a
hunt to make make sure that one team wins.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
And it's ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
Well, yes, and I accept your point Jerry about it,
but I think I have a broader point on this,
which is really.
Speaker 5 (41:22):
Pluck.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
It is the former cricket that well, okay, I'm old school.
That's what I love most and I enjoy watching most.
It has time you sit on the bank and you
do those sorts of things. But unfortunately I did try
to check out what Wellington's performances were, which were lamentable,
having almost won it last year, but this year what
(41:44):
happened but the quality of cricket down the out arrival
a couple of days last week Canterbury Auckland was pretty
good and I enjoyed it, and I will happily go
down and watch that, but sadly no one else does.
More's the pity.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Yes, well, as president of Workington, of course I join
your sentiments. That was a disappointing outcome of coming last,
and a very good last. In fact, Daylight was between
fifth and sixth. Sadly I have to accept. But I
take Jerry's point two about the fact that you know, good,
well done Canterbury. They had a good year. Henry Nichols
(42:20):
deserved to lift a trophy of some kind and he
got the best cricketer of the year for batting, had
a good year, et cetera, et cetera. It was one
hundredth edition of the Plunket Shield. But when it's all
decided on net run rate, played in different conditions all
over the place, you've had a bit of rain, you've
had a game washed out, all those sorts of things.
(42:41):
If you come even what's wrong with sharing the title?
Is there not a problem with that?
Speaker 4 (42:47):
Maybe there's not enough room on the on the bar
for the engraver.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
Perhaps, Oh they can just build a new building.
Speaker 5 (42:55):
Well, take off Canterbury. That's a very long name, you know,
it is though. It's like kind of two fifteen year
olds crossing the line together after a five mile race,
isn't it. They can't be separated. So you give it
to the one with more pimples, you know, because well
because they're less stream they're less streamlined, you see. Or
(43:18):
you give it to the one which has got less
tread on the on the sandshoes. It's silly, isn't it.
It should be given to the team which has got
more grass stains.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
On their knees.
Speaker 5 (43:28):
So that I mean it's you get to silly things
because even even net runs per wicket, which they take
it down to, one team has got a better batting
pitch probably than the other.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
And that means that your team, if you bat well.
Speaker 5 (43:46):
Enough, your side has a much better chance for your bowlers,
doesn't it. And you could also say to Otago or whatever.
You've got a better bowl a bowling pitched about. You
should have won an extra game. That's fine, but it
just doesn't seem right to me. You never say in
a team meeting, do you now remember?
Speaker 3 (44:04):
Ads? It's net runs per wicket. It's it's just silly thing.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Yeah, I could just add one final point. What about
a final between the top two sides qualifying and player
final and let's have a five day final and get
a result. They used to play a final in the
Plunket Shield.
Speaker 4 (44:26):
Well, once upon a time I played one of those, Brian,
That's true. Yeah we did, Yeah, beaten by the Otago
boys in down A carris Brook. That's right.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
The problem is orchistrators have got more important things to
worry about at the moment. I think, haven't they finding
a new chief executive for the company and then getting
a T twenty competition up and running. But and a
board member and another board member. And I've got to
give Nash credit there. He stood for his belief in
(45:01):
the back and you know, rather than stick around and
do something he did agree with, he's gone. And I
think that that's respectable.
Speaker 4 (45:13):
I think on deal Nash and i've and I've heard
him speak on a couple of occasions. He's he is
a thoughtful, experience businessman in his own right, and and
I think it's a pity that he is no longer
there and that his that his experience both in the
(45:37):
game and outside of the game in the commercial world
is lost, which I those sort of skills and talents
are hard to find and and I don't think the
current board probably has sufficient of those in its current form.
So I think it's a great, great pity, But all
(45:58):
all part of him for saying, well, it's not for me,
and I have my point, and I'll move on, and
I've got I've got other things to do. But it's
a pity, and I think he's a good man.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
Lost all right, guys, thanks very much for your time.
Once again, it's an issue we will be talking about
more and more. And of course we've got a team
heading off to Bangladesh and one heading off to Sri Lanka.
We will watch them closely on the internet because I
don't think we'll see much of them anywhere in the
in the near future, and we'll keep in mind what's
(46:30):
going on with Inded thready.
Speaker 5 (46:33):
So you allow to go onste Chamoum
Speaker 1 (46:47):
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