April 30, 2026 • 50 mins
This week on On The Front Foot, Bryan Waddle and Jeremy Coney review the Black Caps’ tour of Bangladesh and look at the challenges the new NZ Cricket is facing.
Plus, they dive into the White Ferns squad named for the World Cup, and ask whether the substitution rule needs to be revised.
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Hello, We're back on the front foots conditions took their
soul on the black Caps one day side in Bangladesh.
But despite the results, there were positive the same challenges
based on wise you emerging talent and the White Ferns
World Cup squad. England test players are starting to emerge
in the County Championship because they battle for places in
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the squad. And we told you the news last week
former Black Cap for Jeff Allot was going to be
the new CEO and guess what we were right, But
at a critical time he's not taking up the role
until July two months away and they want the New
Zealand twenty up and running next January. Well, it didn't
take us long to get the right answer. Secrets are
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safe in New Zealand. Cricket circles that leaky sid we've
talked about Jerry. Jeff Allot's got the job. Not universally accepted,
but they got a live with it and make it work, now,
don't they?
Speaker 4 (01:41):
They do high wads Hi Moose.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Look, I hope he proves a good servant for New
Zealand cricket at large, really makes the right decisions and
in order that the game can grow. And I hope
the coffers filmed and I hope the weather's good between
December and April at least forever in a day or
maybe five days on so we can watch another test.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yeah, well, the CEO is not going to be able
to do anything about that. But he's got to be
to run the game of cricket.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
And what's he doing there?
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Sorry's supposed to be in charge of the weather most
What do you think of the decision to appoint Jeff
Allott that we talked about last week.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
I don't know him. I think he was a pretty
useful cricket in his time. I think he was a
colleague of one or two on the board, Budge are
two in particular. I think they were playing in the
late nineties together so obviously there are relationships and benef
from Canterbury. They have their relationships with other people such
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as those influenceal around the cricketing world, such as Stephen Fleming.
So I think, as I did touch on last time,
it's going to be it's a tough job and and
and I wish him well, but I think he will
have a very challenging time ahead, not not only in
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the process of running it, but these are critical decisions
coming up around T twenty. But you also have to
walk a very careful line around the role and the
independence of the role in terms of running and New
Zealand cricket cricket New Zealand for the benefit of the
cricket community. And that's the point spitual interest and the
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word conflict we touched on last week. I think will
will be present in many people's minds and be watching
very closely. And the best way you deal with that
is you front foot conflict and you tell us if
there are any So I look forward to that from him.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
The point that you're talking about is important. It's not
all about the New Zealand T twenty competition. It's about
the overall running of the game, the development, the relationships
with the stakeholders and no stakeholders are the provincial associations,
the spectators, the sponsors, ever, everybody. And I suppose with
board experience, Jerry, it may be a help in running
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the game, but you know, being on a board is
slightly different than actually running a game too, isn't it?
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Oh, it is it's today he has the responsibility. Look,
I've been genuflickting guys, very vexatious of course, but you
know about some of the ramifications that I know you
don't want to really talk about twenty wads and it's
but it is quite a big, a big part that
he's going to be coming into, isn't he on it?
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And he's got a very important role to play in
that he works, you know, he works for the New
Zealand Board basically as CEO. Look, you can tell me, guys,
correct me if I'm wrong. The sources of New Zealand
finances ic C distribution from broadcasting funds correct, Yes, Yes,
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selling TV broadcasting in New Zealand for the men's and
women's game, plus a bit of radio as well. Yes,
corporate sponsorship, advertising partnerships you know, and hoardings on the
ground on the players shirts, ticket sales, match day income
and some merchandise. Is that basically the areas. Are there
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any ones that I've missed?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Well, I suppose past investments probably play an important role.
They were money and.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
They dot to They've already got that money, haven't they.
It's what they do with it. But look, I just
wanted to just make it, as I say, thinking about
a few things will They may not happen, but I
just want to throw them to you. The first one
because of the ground sizes and the crowd sizes in
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New Zealand, they're not the same as the IPL and
Big Bash for example. I mean we have almost actively
pursued downsizing of the capacity of grounds and so you've
got quite intimate kind of areas with banks, and you've
only got to go from South to North Otago banks,
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christ Church banks Basin not large, but there is a
sort of about a third to a half of the
ground with a bank. The Bay Oval almost all banks, Hamilton,
the same Nape. You're not quite so large, just at
one end. And it's really only Auckland and the Stadium
in Wellington that haven't got those banks. And people like
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to stretch out, they like to have a stroll. That's great,
that's fine. The problem with that is that you can't
perhaps get your ticket numbers up for your cash. And
you do wonder as far as broadcasting is concerned, if
you're not getting that money coming in there, the broadcasting
deal becomes pretty important. And therefore the six year Sky
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deal from twenty six twenty seven to thirty one two
about for tests and ODIs. It does not include super
smash that deal, and you just wonder, will this new
group and control will they go with Sky? We don't know,
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do we? They could choose somewhere else.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
I would be expecting that given that this money will
be being the capital that will sit in behind T twenty,
I think as it's known as that money is money
from offshore. It won't be local money will I think
we all believe that to be the case. And if
that is the case, I suspect a lot of that
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money is coming from the Indian subcontinent. So therefore the
broadcasting will be very much rights and the value of
all of that well one be owned by the T twenty,
but also it will be sourced I would imagine by
outside broadcasting other than Sky, and that would be my
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feelings about it, because there will be embedded relationships with
a lot of these people bringing the capital with other broadcasters,
so that becomes, as you say, Jerry, rather an interesting
outcome for well the current arrangements that or the arrangements
are going to be in place with Sky in the future.
So there's a question marks that riddle throughout here.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
Most does that mean that they will like to get
broadcasting deals to get eyeballs in India watching the n
Z twenties. I mean it's unlikely to be live because
the time zones don't quite work so well. But what
does it mean for New Zealand cricket if they suddenly
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cannot televise New Zealand games with the deal that I've
just spoken about for six years, if they don't have
January every year?
Speaker 3 (09:07):
That goes to precisely that point. The question marks are there,
But I can absolutely see that the audience that they
will be pitching to is not New Zealand. It's subcontinent.
It's people back in India and wherever they are, that's
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where the audience is and that's where the value is
in the competition. We're five million people. They will be
trying to be pitching to hundreds of millions. Yeah, and
that's where the dollars will come from, and that's where
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the value of the franchise clubs or whatever they're going
to be teams will come from. Not in New Zealand local.
We're just simply a place where they can play it
and giving an opportunity for capital looking for a home
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where those who have not already in it or are
expanding their existing arrangements such as IPL clubs and teams
that they've been doing quite quite regularly. So I think, yeah,
I'm just I'm going to be sitting back and watching
because we can't do anything else. Did I hear that
New Zealand Cricket have a couple of their people involved
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with the if you will, the due diligence of the
T twenty Consortium in doing the work. Did I hear
that right? Or was that where I got on the
wrong end of the stick. I've heard a whisper of
that that is the case, and we're not going how
can there be objectivity here? That this should be an
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independent process with New Zealand Cricket waiting for the T
twenty Consortium to come back and explain to them. I'm
not basis it is the right thing for New Zealand
Cricket and how it's going to play out. But then
you stick some people from your own organization into it,
well this is this just leaves a huge question mark
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for me, I just around the validity and the and
the efficacy of the process.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
If you will, yes, yes, I mean it's it's up
to My understanding is as the moment, it's up to
n Z twenty to try and secure a license and
to do that New Zealand and New Zealand Cricket Board
have asked for certain things to make them possible for
them to sign that license and you and so, so
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what you're saying, move is that New Zealand staff at
the inn ZID Cricket are helping the New Zealand twenty
to do that.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Whisper around that And if that's the case, and I
don't know who's the independence, I would find that most unusual.
Most unusual when you allow someone to come in and
put a bid in on something to rely on your
own advice. It's your own people as the vendor. You
know you're not sticking up your own people. And to
make it it means basically you've already agreed that's what
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you're going to do. It's effectively what that says it
does and is. Therefore the process is robust as as
we in the cricket community would like it to be
because of the peers. If that is actually what's happening.
They made their decision, and this is all a bit
of a facade to make it look as though it's
kind of all okay.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Yes, there's got to be a leadership from the group
that's wanting to run it, but they, you know, it's
still a matter of New Zealand Cricket has agreed in principle.
They just got to give them the license to make
it work. But you know, until we know more about it,
that's the big problem. Once again, we're in a situation
where there's a bit of rumor and a bit of
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gossip and a bit of this, that and the other thing,
but there's no hard facts about where it's going to go.
And they're talking about having it up and running by January.
Not going to happen, and the chief executive didn't start
until July. So where's it being administered from that? That,
to me is the question that I guess we'll have
to wait for an answer. But as I say, there's
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a lot more to it than just T twenty competitions
when you become.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
One last thing was can I just say one last thing?
Just from my ruminations. It was a thought that said
if we can. You know, we've talked a bit about
the broadcasting, but what about some of the sponsors. You
take a sponsor like A and Z for example, who
have been very loyal to New Zealand cricket, probably over
twenty five years more. It was that John Anderson was
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at the National Bank. Was the one at the heart
of it, wasn't he? And they were taken over by
A and Z. But what happens, for example, if there's
someone in this private organization that it gets another bank.
Banks all are doing well at the moment and they
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come along and then that bank is secured by this
private company. You know, there's bound to be board members,
bound to be board members. You know how you look
at board members and they are on several boards of
different places. There's bound to be a board member somewhere,
even on the New Zealand Cricket board that will also
be on a bank other bank board as opposed as
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to New Zealand Cricket, and I think there is a
chance that suddenly an Z will not only have januaries
out when they thought they should show their product, but
now there's going to be someone in the same line
of business showing a you know, a competitive brand at
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that time. How will that make the A and Z feel?
I mean, I'm just that this may not happen at all.
They may go with A and Z. I don't know,
but it is a potential for that, and I I
just wonder how they would feel. And likewise other sponsors
as well, like Life Direct Insurance that's on the New
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Zealand shirt. Isn't it opposite the silver fern? So that's
another area. I mean, I just think that they're going
to be renegotiations if these things happen. Surely my bank
isn't going to pay for januaryes A and ZIP isn't
going to pay for January if they can't promote their product.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Well, those companies, I guess will just have to be
in part of the sponsorship and promotion of the game
and they have to take their chances along the way.
But there will be issues, I suppose with the loyalties
that have been developed over a period of time. As
I said previously, we will keep a watch on this development.
But as I say, there's very little happening in terms
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of decisions being made. Where it's going to be at
January next year. Boy, can you get a competition running
up on that time? The Caribbean did apparently, but not
too sure.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Brian Waddle, Jeremy Coney on the front foot.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Let's go across the water. I know beggars can't be
choosers and we have to accept overseas tours when we
can get them. But a month in Sri Lanka for
the A side and Bangladesh for the black Caps has
been quite perplexing for me. The atem gained some valuable
experience in the heat and humidity of Sri Lanka, and
the black Caps battled to adapt to Bangladesh, who loved
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taking od I points from the three match series for
their tilted qualification for next year's World Cup. A two
one loss in the series some positives even in that
result for coach Rob Walter, but he acknowledged they struggled
to adapt to the massive climate change and barren pitch conditions.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
Absolutely, I think probably the most obvious one was the
heat was stifling, certainly nothing that we could have prepared
for and not to you kind of get used to
sort of in a week, but you know it was challenging.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
And then.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
The conditions in general were different, so challenge our skill
sets a little bit in different areas. And obviously given
that they've played the fair bit of cricket at home,
you know recently, they're just probably a little bit better
from an execution point of view in those conditions.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
What's the most important thing you can take out of
the three matches you play?
Speaker 5 (17:41):
I mean, you know, I would probably say it a
fair bit. But you know, there's no downside to that
type of experience for the players, you know, whether they
do well or poorly, because there's so much to learn
from it, you know, So you skills get put under
pressure by a good team, you either find your way
through or you don't. But whatever happens, you know, as
long as we're sort of learning individually and as a collective.
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So I think each individual person, if you had to
sit them down and ask them, you know, what they've
taken away. You know, they probably have their own personal stuff,
but it definitely be some some massive learnings around you know,
those guys who have kind of sat in the wings
or waited for opportunities and then and then been exposed
to a quality opposition in testing conditions and and how
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we've come out on the other side. So we've seen
some really nice performances obviously to see well, A're all
back on the field bowling. While again he got better
and better with every game that he played. That was
a positive. I mean, these are the obvious ones right there.
The score sheet will tell you. Nick Kelly, I thought
battled really well and showed some great grit and determination there.
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You know, Deans fox Froth played two nice innings is
along the way. Jadan Lennox was impressive again. So you know,
so we've had we had little contributions along the way,
some stand up performances, but but collectively just probably weren't
good enough against Bangladesh.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Encouraging then that there's a little bit of extra depth
for future selections in this kind of tournament, either ODIs
or Tea twitties.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
Absolutely, Again, there's also no downside to strengthening you know,
the the group of players that you can select from.
You know, the national team will be put under pressure
for varying reasons from a selection point of view, and
saying have having guys who've got you know, international experience
under the belt is critical, you know. I joked last
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night in the team meeting. In our team photo we
had someone with four CAP sitting in the front row,
so there would be you know, there would be a
first I think. So, so we keep building experience wherever
we can. It's never nice to lose, you know, but
if we if we sort of park the results on
the side, you know, we we're walking away stronger for it.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
For sure.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
You talked about Will O'Rourke. Was he on a managed
program as such or was it just the number of
overs meeting the requirements of where the game was at
at each stage.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
I know we were managing him as best as we can.
We had a sort of idea of a many overs
we wanted him to sort of cover in this period
and obviously their heat was you know, was a factor
that we were aware of, but you can't quantified ready.
So it was just being sort of aware of how
we wanted to use Will with a far bigger picture
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in mind, you know, So I would say it was
a it was a massive victory given the injury that
he's come back from and then the way that he bold.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Robot of course is going to be excited and and
happy with the way the team before. But I just
wonder they were fairly soundly beaten mostment they in those games.
They they didn't look the part and the word adapt
seemed to be missing in terms of their ability to adapt,
which is one of the words that they use quite often.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Isn't it it is we were We were second and
soundly beaten, and you can't walk away from that. The
conditions are and work challenging, and and and it is
quite a leak to go from from New Zealand and
then into those very warm and humid conditions up and
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up in Bangladesh. But but I think that we just
have to face the fact that we're going to play
a lot more cricket on the on the on the subcontinent,
and that's just the realities of life. So the more
exposure our players get to those conditions the better, because
we can't be we can't biggest, can't be choosers. We're
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not part of that little group of the big three
where where the other where the other lot And so
we just have to have to take it. But I
am comforted by I think the breadth and the scope
and the abilities of some of our cricketers has has
been coming to the fore. I'm really liking the fact
that that that a Curtis Heafi who has come out
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of the CD for instance, and Tim Robbins and you know,
these guys are getting runs in those conditions, and that
to me is that's what I'm liking, seeing good young
players or lots of young players getting exposure. I'm looking
for the positives here in the difficult few weeks for
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these two squads.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Yep, it's giving them something to do. Unfortunately they've been
washed out in a T twenty. I'm not going to
make my judgments on T twenty performances either. I mean,
the one day performances are probably more significant, aren't they,
Jerry when it comes to looking at the development of
future players. But you know Bangladesh and their conditions, they
had it all over it.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
They were tough and they were a bitter side. You
have to say those things, and that's I mean. New
Zealand just have to be a bit tearful and cognizant
of the fact they watch their points position on od
I and T twenty tables, don't they Yes, because they
are the ways that we actually get invited to World Cups,
and that's going to have to be watched if we
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are going to continue this developmental process. I just think
it's that time of year when we're going to find
this is kind of the part of the year when
we use development players because everybody else is away playing
in franchise cricket. So yeah, look the heat and humidity
Moose is mentioned. I thought the New Zealand players looked
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under pressure from that. It's harder to make good decisions
when you're not feeling I mean, I can remember Ken's
looking for a place to shine the ball and he
was he finally found his socks and it looked rather weird,
bent over at the top of his mark. But but
you know, the bowling, I thought, looked a lot stronger
the Bangladesh bowling and more consistent than ours. Whether it
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was I mean, Rana was the one who particularly got
the whippets and looked accurate. Shoreful was good though left
arm musta firs another left good control, and the pictures
were variable. I think Rob Walter's right that a lot
of the players will have found it quite difficult, and
they'll be better if they think about the things that
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they have to do next time they are in those conditions.
I thought O'Rourke, as I've mentioned, because that's the other
value is that you've got injury. You know, people coming
back from injury were able to perhaps get a little
bit of confidence in their bodies again and that they
could start to see. Ah, I'm getting some form back
as well. I thought Smith swung it. I can't help thinking,
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but his lack of heights sometimes at international level is
a bit of a disadvantage. You know, he's got to
be skiddy pace onto the batsman before they expect the ball.
Lister I think as a red ball player, not so
much a white ball player unless he gets the new ball.
I thought Tickner he was good when he was there.
He got wickets, didn't he, And I think he's still
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in the frame for England. Lenox I thought was accurate
again in those conditions. He's got to keep turning it.
And Foxcroft got a few runs, didn't he. So I
thought the medium struggled a bit more. Clerks and people
like that are bas no swing. But yeah, his cutters
were useful, but we lacked runs, didn't we wasn't that
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the issue too? Number three four five that will Young
Latham moa bas They didn't quite give us the runs
that we wanted from that area up the top so
we could develop some decent partnerships. So that that cost
you in an O DI I match, the.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Lack of runs, and I think we've touched on it
before is in part one because we didn't didn't didn't
didn't perform as we would have wished. But also I
think it was it was the fact that Bangladesh their
bowling attack was it was very good, and you know,
I was surprised but also impressed by what I sawt there.
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So you know, credit has to be given for Bangladesh
for being as strong a side than I think. We thought. Yeah,
there's some lessons to be taken from this, and again
let's look for the positives. Hopefully we learned something.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
On the front foot with Waddle and Cody Off spinning
all round A Nancy Patel and batter as He Sharpe
have earned their maiden World Cup call ops as part
of the White Ferns squad selected to defend their title
at the twenty twenty six ICC Women's T twenty in
England and June. The fifteen strong squad, led by captain
Neely Kirk, features ten players from New Zealand's victorious twenty
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twenty four campaign, including Sophie Devine and Susie Bates, who
will be attending their tenth and final T twenty World Cup.
The team form the bulk of the squad that will
have a build up tour of England as they prepare
for the World T twenties. Ben Sawyer joined on the
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front foot and says they achieved some of the improvement
they needed from the South African series, particularly in batting consistency.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (27:18):
I guess before South Africa and coming off the back
of Zimbabwe, it was posting those bigger scores. And when
I say bigger, we've done our work. We've done our research.
I think the last four years of international cricket in
England there's been series against Australia, India and South Africa,
so four of the top countries in the world if
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you count England, and the average first inning score in
T twenty has been one seventy. So we set out
at the start of the summer that that was our benchmark,
and I think that first game against South Africa we
scored one ninety. We chased two of our i think
top four ever chasers against South Africa in T twenty cricket,
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So it's just more of that. We know that grounds
are potentially going to be a little bit smaller, wickets
are going to be really really good, so it's exposing
ourselves to scoring scores above one eighty, but also then
getting used to chasing that and I think that's what
we did really well. And I'm sure England are going
to post those big scores as well against us in
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the T twenty series, and it's just continually being calm
and chasing those scores.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Having seen the results of the South Africa India series,
does that put the performance of New Zealand against them
here into a different perspective food Does it give you
a bit more encouragement about the team's performance.
Speaker 6 (28:42):
Yeah, I just think it shows that South Africa are
a great team and like I said earlier, I have
been in the last three white Ball or World Cup
events they've been finalists, so they're a great side.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
At home against India.
Speaker 6 (28:59):
While India are still probably favorites, you'd expect South Africa
to go well in their home conditions and they've played
really well. So yeah, it's nice to see that a
team that we beat is now beating other teams around
the world, so that always, you know, is pleasing. But yeah,
I think South Africa are a great team in their
own right.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Yeah, the newer players started to turn in performances against
South Africa. I guess you also want greater consistency from
the more experienced players. They started to deliver some bigger
scores as well, and that's going to be important in
both formats of the game, isn't it.
Speaker 6 (29:35):
Yeah, merely obviously had an outstanding season both ODII and
C twenty. Sophie got a you know sixty off a
thirty there at Wellington and was a match winning performance.
I think she had a couple of those, even someone
like easy Gaye. You know, it's not that she's a
senior player, but she's been around for a while now
and I thought her contributions both against him Bawey and
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South Africa were great. Yeah, it's it's about getting off
to good starts and in partnerships, not necessarily just individuals,
but getting us off to a good start. So that
you know, chasing or scoring that one eighty is you know,
well within our.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Grasp he tried as he gazed at the top of
the order in the t twenties. Is going to continue
with that in the matches that you're up against now
or was that just an experiment at that time.
Speaker 6 (30:27):
No, No, she's someone that we think can deliver for
us at the top of the order. Again, like I
said in Partnership with Georgia, and if we do lose
a wicket with Merely like it's you know, as coaches
were encouraging them and pushing them to get us off
to fast start, so that that also means that mistakes
are going to happen. But looking back on South Africa,
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I think four of the five power plays, we had
better power plays than South Africa. So whether that's our
bowls are bowling good or our batters scored really quickly,
you know, we outplayed South African for the power plays
and easy Gaze was a huge part of that and
and you know will continue to be there for the
for the England series.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
And your confidence and Merely Kerr as captain of the side.
Speaker 6 (31:11):
Yeah, her big, her big word and the big takeaway
from me was was around belief and and you know,
she wants all the players and the staff to to
really have that belief that that we are one of
the top countries in the world and and to believe
that that we can beat anybody. So that's a really
big part of her captaincy and that's you know, a
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big part of my role now is to support the
captain in trying to instill that belief. So you know,
I've heard her being interviewed and talk about the fact
that when we won the World Cup, you know again,
if you've done it, you can you can believe that
you can do it again. And even just in individual games,
if you know, if we can encourage our players and
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give them that belief, then we think they can stand
really tall and perform on the world stage. So that
that's really important.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
And yes, in and around the long so we've we've
looked at that.
Speaker 6 (32:04):
I I think the Zimbabwe and South Africa series was
like forty two days and we spoke about that after
forty two days will still be two days short of
the start of the World Cup. So we've done a
lot of prep around that. We've got a little break
period booked in for the players where they can go
away from a cricket environment and refresh for just three
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or four days and then come back. So yeah, great
point that you made at but ones that hopefully we've
got plans in place.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
For Brian Waddell, Jeremy Cooney on the front foot.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Interesting story came up on the internet this morning and
you'll be intrigued by this, you guys. Michael Holdings saying
something that a million of us have said in the past,
well nearly a million. I don't know, there might be
less than that or more. But because he says that
it holds two, apparently he's reignited the debates surrounding the
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direction of modern cricket, vehemently criticizing the burgeoning dominance of
T twenty leagues after traditional format or traditional formats. He's
asserted that cricket administrators often prioritize revenue generation over preserving
test cricket, warning that such priorities could potentially jeopardize the
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game's long term future. He stressed the success in T
twenty tournaments does not necessarily translate to strength and test cricket,
echoing concerns made by other people. I think that's been
said a fair bit in the past, isn't it. It
makes a headline because it comes from Michael holding does it.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Well, I'm not sure which part I disagree with, Brian.
I think I think we've. I think we've And by
the way, I'm very pleased he's actually said it, because
that has the effect of drawing people's attention to what
is and genuinely is a problem for the game in
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its in its broader sense, and the greatness of the game,
the game why we're talking about and what we love,
has been somewhat trivialized into into into the matches being played,
which none of us can remember. The ones we remember
are typically great. One day is where you know we
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won the World Cup in twenty nineteen. I'm sure that
was the case.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
Great games.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
And I'm not. I refuse to concede that the the
people in the Northern Hemisphere think that they want. But
the point I'm trying to draw out here is those
those are the matches that we love, and that that
victory in Wellington a couple of years back, and where
we came back from being flogged allround the park at
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the base and reserved by Brook and the route and
whatever else and there was five days of fabulous cricket.
That's the stuff that people turn up and watch and
will happen in England in the three day in the
three Test matches coming up.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Yeah, the kind of game that we build memories on. Jeremy,
you wouldn't have agreed too much with Michael holding them
and he was at the other end with the red ball,
but I imagine you could probably agree with what he
says now about the status of the game.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
Now. Has he not noticed this already? Does he not
have a phone? Does he not have I don't know,
a radio, or you're right, Michael says something and people
seem to take notes. Let's hope they do, because I'm
afraid the direction of travel at the moment isn't a
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sustaining one. Really. I think we've I think we've classed
a tipping point now and it's and it's only when
the players, the players themselves are going to say stop
enough that we're going to get some action. I think
otherwise you know, the red ball game is heading downhill.
Speaker 7 (36:10):
I'm afraid, yes, indeed, And there's an issue in England
County cricket at the moment, and I'm not sure where
I sit on this issue.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
I think it's probably valid.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
The headline of the story says the eight day rule
needs to be looked at. What it refers to is
what is currently being used in English county cricket as
replacement players for injury or illness. The trial has rolled
out in the county game for the first time. It
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covers illness and covers like full like replacements. Now we
have replacements for those who get hit in the head
and that's fine. Should it be more widespread? Is there
an issue that it's being misused in England because a
player was refused the chance to play as a replacement
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because he was regarded as having greater experience than the
player he was about to replace.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Had you said Jerry Wadds, Yeah, I know what you're
talking about. And the replacement, instead of being a right
arm bowler was actually a left arm bowler and also
had to travel from Glamorgan way up. I think they
it was something to do with Lancashire, wasn't it. But yeah,
(37:36):
it seems a bit weird. Like for like, I agree
with you about the significant life event. I think that's
fair enough. It is a one year experiment. I think
this rule, So a death in the family, sudden serious illness,
you mentioned concussion that can be sort of medically measured,
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birth of a child. I guess you can sort that
out because you know it's happening with selectors or whatever.
Other than that, my view on this thing is crickets
between two teams of eleven, and that's been the way
it has been for one hundred years, and it seems
to me there are moves to try and change this
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in some ways. There's a thing called an impact player, now,
isn't there at the IPL at Corve. Yeah, well that's right.
They call it tactical flexibility, but it just means that
you haven't made a decision before the game starts. Yeah,
they name up five other players alongside the playing eleven. Yeah, look,
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I look, cricket is cricket's also it's eleven against eleven.
You've got to make choices on the first morning to
see if you can get some sort of advantage over
the team you're playing. And it's also a game of stamina.
Six hours a day, five days, thirty hours, fifteen marathons.
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It's a game of resilience, and you've got to be
ready for things that happen, and sometimes you're not expecting them.
So if your hamstring goes, bad luck for that side
if you're in your fourth or your fifth spell, because
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other bowlers haven't been able to do their job. So
I'm against the sub idea and principle. How do you
know how serious the soft tissue injury is? Look at
look at the runner situation wads and most you know,
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teams played it to their advantage. They'll play this rule
to advantage as well. You know in the heat when
the batsman's getting to bat for a long time and
so they suddenly need a runner, and it's changed that rule,
hasn't it. So you know, I can see some down
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the road things. I mean, I was at the Oval,
guys when I saw Chris Wolkes walking down those steps
with his arm and a sling underneath his jerseys, and
it didn't look great, I've got to say. But you know,
the team had kind of they needed him to get
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over a little line. I only needed about a dozen runs,
ten runs, so tough for him. But there are lots
of moments when you've got to confront toughness in your life,
aren't they.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Yep?
Speaker 4 (40:44):
I see a couple of problems with it. I think
teams will try and use it. I think there might
even be player where they would come up to an
important game they'll say, oh, Bill, it's a really important game.
He's not quite ready, but he's bold once or twice
in the nuts. It's a little bit early for him,
but we know we can get a replacement and we'd
throw him in. You know, that's a possibility that teams
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might think about. Now it all, you know, And I think,
like for light wats what does that mean?
Speaker 3 (41:13):
Can I extend what you're just saying there? Jeria? I
find these these tweaks, if that's what it is, or
these changes or these these changes which are being proposed
or in place. It's sort of an americanization of cricket.
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You know, in baseball you have a pinch hitter. It's
it's sort of smacks of that a little bit, and
you can sub people in and out, and that's fine. Baseball, wonderful,
wonderful sport. But yeah, that's baseball. Leave it. You know,
NBA you can sub in and out and so on, football,
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SoC soccer, football, But cricket is cricket, and it's been
around for a very very long time, and and it's
as you say, Jerry, it is a game of resilience
and roughness and some with luck. You know, if someone
comes down. That's why someone has a twelf man if
I remember, because they could come on and field. And
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by the way, we all know that twelve men have
it from time been gamed as it work. But that's
the whole principle of it. And so why do we
need to change it. I don't change what's already been
pretty good for quite a long period of time. Would
be my sort of summation of that. And we should
And I'm not trying to be a silly old person
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who doesn't like change. I quite like it. But I
think we love our game for what it is, and
we want to be a game which is special and
has its idiosyncrasies and its quirks and so on, and
we should preserve that sort of stuff because that's what
makes it great.
Speaker 6 (42:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
I just wonder about the fact of a player being
injured in a game, and sometimes you get to a
situation that then becomes eleven against ten, and if somebody
breaks a leg, then I don't see why they shouldn't
be replaced in a like for like basis. And I
know what you say Jerry about you know what is
like for like you can't bring in a left arm
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spinner who bowls chinaman against a past bowler because the
picture has changed dramatically in its shape and its form
two days into a game. So you know, but I
think sometimes it's a little unfair when you take a
bowler out of a side because he's broken a toe,
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an arm, a leg or whatever and you leave.
Speaker 4 (43:41):
A side short.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
That's the that's the area that I think needs to
be considered. Family bereavements, birth of children. Yeah, it's a
it's a minefield of an area, really, isn't it to
start discussing those sorts of things when you when you're
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talking about social type issues.
Speaker 4 (44:06):
Well, how many players do you carry around ones? If
you're playing for Auckland and you're playing in Dunedin and
instead of twelve you take down eighteen players, airfares and
accommodation just to cover a like for like situation, Well,
you know, do you want another opener? Do you need
another opener? Is he left or right hand or a
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quickie left or right arm spin of the same thing?
You need a keeper? Wouldn't you an extra keeper. What
about a stronger player of spin versus an opener? What
about a what about a Coney's playing or waddle? A
tall man and a short man because the bowlers have
to bowl different lengths. You know, I just kind of
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don't you can go on about this. Can't you get
an inexperienced quick who takes wicket but gives up runs.
Or do you have an experienced guy who bowls long
spells and has to work hard for his wickets? Or
you get a slips fielder who feels in close or
a dynamic backward point who races around the boundary and
runs people out. You know, you could go on and
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on about light for like, So I personally think you've
got twelve people who play the game. You name it
at the start. If someone is injured, in comes the
twelfth man. So it's not even pretending to be light
for like. Sometimes it'll work, sometimes it won't. If you
really have to do this, it's a player out and
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another body in, and the and the side just do
their best in a bad situation that they didn't want.
You might get a spinner and a green seemer. You
might get, you know, a number nine coming in for
a top order batsman. That's just that's what happened. I mean,
that's the game. And I'm afraid fingers can be meant hamstrings,
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stretch more, get more, but to switch between overs, do
it before play. Get fitter so that you can bowl
that fifth spell. You know, fingers and hands can be fixed.
You go out, your eyes it up, you get things
you put it. I played a whole series with a
metal sleeve over a broken finger. That these are just
some of the things that the game provides for you.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
Yeah. Interesting, I was never good enough to play at
the level that you guys played at. And there wouldn't
be a like for like in terms of me anyway, so.
Speaker 4 (46:30):
You know you would.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
Yeah, I was. I was one of a kind. But
I knew how to poor drinks, so I might have
got that job like for like most who was like you.
Speaker 4 (46:44):
Well that's the that's the insue. See, no one is
like anybody else.
Speaker 3 (46:49):
Well well, and and I recall I did Mafair Stint's
twelve man over over over the time, and and I
and I bought, I bought a certain certain style to
all of that. And but you know, you were part
of the team. But it was tough man and and
and you're part of the team, but it were an
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important part because you had a role to play. And
that was the way it was. We swatched it around
with old Badger when I was there, Badger being brand
seed all of course he's he was there sometimes but
always up for it. No, that was a great great
that's the great thing about the sport. I love it.
And just very quickly, I think Jerry referred to you
as being short, but I've always considered you very tall
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for your height.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
You know what, I was just going to suggest I
might be able to sit on your shoulders while I'm
betting you know exactly.
Speaker 4 (47:40):
I was making a point, Fellas, that's all.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
Yeah, that's very harsh moves. I mean, Jerry wouldn't say
things like that. Oh well, never mind, And just a
quick word on you, said Badger, Brian Seedable. He would
have destroyed more boundary fences and advertising hoardings than any
of you two put together, wouldn't he.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
Oh look, I think that with the bringing bringing the
ropes in the these days, the games lost something not
to have, not to have Brian careering into into the
picket fence or worse still, the hill at Pukakura Park,
which I think did take some damage from time to
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time from Brian. Yes, yeah, a courageous man sometimes would
have thought. But we loved him dearly and still do.
Speaker 4 (48:35):
I remember an even park. You know, there's that little
that little concrete wall and above it there were these
metal railings with pailings going down. We had to go
and remove his head from between those two of those posts.
That was extraordinary how he managed he was he was
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stuck just with Thish facing the wrong way.
Speaker 3 (49:02):
Out.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
Yeah, so they were actually transplanting heads in those days.
Speaker 4 (49:06):
That was great. I mean, come along, get his brother on.
That'd all be lined up beside each other in the
end of the match.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
Yes, there are some stories about the fielding antics and
the outfield antics of Brian Seedable, and there are many
other cricketers these days. I'm sure that we can talk
about in terms of their commitment to more than one
hundred percent, even if you can get more than Yes, gentlemen,
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thank you very much. Lovely to talk to you. As
I say, we'll talk women's cricket next week. But nice
to have been able to get your view on substitutions.
You can pop off and have a game of golf. Now,
if you like Most and Jerry, you can go and
read up on the history of women's cricket.
Speaker 3 (50:04):
I bid you farewell from Portsy Golf Club, where it's
a tru for Wendy and therefore maybe a little bit
challenging for.
Speaker 4 (50:11):
Vulnerable low moose. Get that number two or number one
out to get them below the wounds.
Speaker 3 (50:19):
Only God can play a one eye and I never
never professed to be.
Speaker 4 (50:24):
When you take the two, you take the two.
Speaker 8 (50:28):
Good luck boy, Thanks very much, all the ages of Summers.
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Speaker 2 (00:47):
Hello, We're back on the front foots conditions took their
soul on the black Caps one day side in Bangladesh.
But despite the results, there were positive the same challenges
based on wise you emerging talent and the White Ferns
World Cup squad. England test players are starting to emerge
in the County Championship because they battle for places in
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the squad. And we told you the news last week
former Black Cap for Jeff Allot was going to be
the new CEO and guess what we were right, But
at a critical time he's not taking up the role
until July two months away and they want the New
Zealand twenty up and running next January. Well, it didn't
take us long to get the right answer. Secrets are
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safe in New Zealand. Cricket circles that leaky sid we've
talked about Jerry. Jeff Allot's got the job. Not universally accepted,
but they got a live with it and make it work, now,
don't they?
Speaker 4 (01:41):
They do high wads Hi Moose.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Look, I hope he proves a good servant for New
Zealand cricket at large, really makes the right decisions and
in order that the game can grow. And I hope
the coffers filmed and I hope the weather's good between
December and April at least forever in a day or
maybe five days on so we can watch another test.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yeah, well, the CEO is not going to be able
to do anything about that. But he's got to be
to run the game of cricket.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
And what's he doing there?
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Sorry's supposed to be in charge of the weather most
What do you think of the decision to appoint Jeff
Allott that we talked about last week.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
I don't know him. I think he was a pretty
useful cricket in his time. I think he was a
colleague of one or two on the board, Budge are
two in particular. I think they were playing in the
late nineties together so obviously there are relationships and benef
from Canterbury. They have their relationships with other people such
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as those influenceal around the cricketing world, such as Stephen Fleming.
So I think, as I did touch on last time,
it's going to be it's a tough job and and
and I wish him well, but I think he will
have a very challenging time ahead, not not only in
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the process of running it, but these are critical decisions
coming up around T twenty. But you also have to
walk a very careful line around the role and the
independence of the role in terms of running and New
Zealand cricket cricket New Zealand for the benefit of the
cricket community. And that's the point spitual interest and the
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word conflict we touched on last week. I think will
will be present in many people's minds and be watching
very closely. And the best way you deal with that
is you front foot conflict and you tell us if
there are any So I look forward to that from him.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
The point that you're talking about is important. It's not
all about the New Zealand T twenty competition. It's about
the overall running of the game, the development, the relationships
with the stakeholders and no stakeholders are the provincial associations,
the spectators, the sponsors, ever, everybody. And I suppose with
board experience, Jerry, it may be a help in running
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the game, but you know, being on a board is
slightly different than actually running a game too, isn't it?
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Oh, it is it's today he has the responsibility. Look,
I've been genuflickting guys, very vexatious of course, but you
know about some of the ramifications that I know you
don't want to really talk about twenty wads and it's
but it is quite a big, a big part that
he's going to be coming into, isn't he on it?
(04:41):
And he's got a very important role to play in
that he works, you know, he works for the New
Zealand Board basically as CEO. Look, you can tell me, guys,
correct me if I'm wrong. The sources of New Zealand
finances ic C distribution from broadcasting funds correct, Yes, Yes,
(05:03):
selling TV broadcasting in New Zealand for the men's and
women's game, plus a bit of radio as well. Yes,
corporate sponsorship, advertising partnerships you know, and hoardings on the
ground on the players shirts, ticket sales, match day income
and some merchandise. Is that basically the areas. Are there
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any ones that I've missed?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Well, I suppose past investments probably play an important role.
They were money and.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
They dot to They've already got that money, haven't they.
It's what they do with it. But look, I just
wanted to just make it, as I say, thinking about
a few things will They may not happen, but I
just want to throw them to you. The first one
because of the ground sizes and the crowd sizes in
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New Zealand, they're not the same as the IPL and
Big Bash for example. I mean we have almost actively
pursued downsizing of the capacity of grounds and so you've
got quite intimate kind of areas with banks, and you've
only got to go from South to North Otago banks,
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christ Church banks Basin not large, but there is a
sort of about a third to a half of the
ground with a bank. The Bay Oval almost all banks, Hamilton,
the same Nape. You're not quite so large, just at
one end. And it's really only Auckland and the Stadium
in Wellington that haven't got those banks. And people like
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to stretch out, they like to have a stroll. That's great,
that's fine. The problem with that is that you can't
perhaps get your ticket numbers up for your cash. And
you do wonder as far as broadcasting is concerned, if
you're not getting that money coming in there, the broadcasting
deal becomes pretty important. And therefore the six year Sky
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deal from twenty six twenty seven to thirty one two
about for tests and ODIs. It does not include super
smash that deal, and you just wonder, will this new
group and control will they go with Sky? We don't know,
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do we? They could choose somewhere else.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
I would be expecting that given that this money will
be being the capital that will sit in behind T twenty,
I think as it's known as that money is money
from offshore. It won't be local money will I think
we all believe that to be the case. And if
that is the case, I suspect a lot of that
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money is coming from the Indian subcontinent. So therefore the
broadcasting will be very much rights and the value of
all of that well one be owned by the T twenty,
but also it will be sourced I would imagine by
outside broadcasting other than Sky, and that would be my
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feelings about it, because there will be embedded relationships with
a lot of these people bringing the capital with other broadcasters,
so that becomes, as you say, Jerry, rather an interesting
outcome for well the current arrangements that or the arrangements
are going to be in place with Sky in the future.
So there's a question marks that riddle throughout here.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
Most does that mean that they will like to get
broadcasting deals to get eyeballs in India watching the n
Z twenties. I mean it's unlikely to be live because
the time zones don't quite work so well. But what
does it mean for New Zealand cricket if they suddenly
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cannot televise New Zealand games with the deal that I've
just spoken about for six years, if they don't have
January every year?
Speaker 3 (09:07):
That goes to precisely that point. The question marks are there,
But I can absolutely see that the audience that they
will be pitching to is not New Zealand. It's subcontinent.
It's people back in India and wherever they are, that's
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where the audience is and that's where the value is
in the competition. We're five million people. They will be
trying to be pitching to hundreds of millions. Yeah, and
that's where the dollars will come from, and that's where
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the value of the franchise clubs or whatever they're going
to be teams will come from. Not in New Zealand local.
We're just simply a place where they can play it
and giving an opportunity for capital looking for a home
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where those who have not already in it or are
expanding their existing arrangements such as IPL clubs and teams
that they've been doing quite quite regularly. So I think, yeah,
I'm just I'm going to be sitting back and watching
because we can't do anything else. Did I hear that
New Zealand Cricket have a couple of their people involved
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with the if you will, the due diligence of the
T twenty Consortium in doing the work. Did I hear
that right? Or was that where I got on the
wrong end of the stick. I've heard a whisper of
that that is the case, and we're not going how
can there be objectivity here? That this should be an
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independent process with New Zealand Cricket waiting for the T
twenty Consortium to come back and explain to them. I'm
not basis it is the right thing for New Zealand
Cricket and how it's going to play out. But then
you stick some people from your own organization into it,
well this is this just leaves a huge question mark
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for me, I just around the validity and the and
the efficacy of the process.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
If you will, yes, yes, I mean it's it's up
to My understanding is as the moment, it's up to
n Z twenty to try and secure a license and
to do that New Zealand and New Zealand Cricket Board
have asked for certain things to make them possible for
them to sign that license and you and so, so
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what you're saying, move is that New Zealand staff at
the inn ZID Cricket are helping the New Zealand twenty
to do that.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Whisper around that And if that's the case, and I
don't know who's the independence, I would find that most unusual.
Most unusual when you allow someone to come in and
put a bid in on something to rely on your
own advice. It's your own people as the vendor. You
know you're not sticking up your own people. And to
make it it means basically you've already agreed that's what
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you're going to do. It's effectively what that says it
does and is. Therefore the process is robust as as
we in the cricket community would like it to be
because of the peers. If that is actually what's happening.
They made their decision, and this is all a bit
of a facade to make it look as though it's
kind of all okay.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Yes, there's got to be a leadership from the group
that's wanting to run it, but they, you know, it's
still a matter of New Zealand Cricket has agreed in principle.
They just got to give them the license to make
it work. But you know, until we know more about it,
that's the big problem. Once again, we're in a situation
where there's a bit of rumor and a bit of
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gossip and a bit of this, that and the other thing,
but there's no hard facts about where it's going to go.
And they're talking about having it up and running by January.
Not going to happen, and the chief executive didn't start
until July. So where's it being administered from that? That,
to me is the question that I guess we'll have
to wait for an answer. But as I say, there's
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a lot more to it than just T twenty competitions
when you become.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
One last thing was can I just say one last thing?
Just from my ruminations. It was a thought that said
if we can. You know, we've talked a bit about
the broadcasting, but what about some of the sponsors. You
take a sponsor like A and Z for example, who
have been very loyal to New Zealand cricket, probably over
twenty five years more. It was that John Anderson was
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at the National Bank. Was the one at the heart
of it, wasn't he? And they were taken over by
A and Z. But what happens, for example, if there's
someone in this private organization that it gets another bank.
Banks all are doing well at the moment and they
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come along and then that bank is secured by this
private company. You know, there's bound to be board members,
bound to be board members. You know how you look
at board members and they are on several boards of
different places. There's bound to be a board member somewhere,
even on the New Zealand Cricket board that will also
be on a bank other bank board as opposed as
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to New Zealand Cricket, and I think there is a
chance that suddenly an Z will not only have januaries
out when they thought they should show their product, but
now there's going to be someone in the same line
of business showing a you know, a competitive brand at
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that time. How will that make the A and Z feel?
I mean, I'm just that this may not happen at all.
They may go with A and Z. I don't know,
but it is a potential for that, and I I
just wonder how they would feel. And likewise other sponsors
as well, like Life Direct Insurance that's on the New
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Zealand shirt. Isn't it opposite the silver fern? So that's
another area. I mean, I just think that they're going
to be renegotiations if these things happen. Surely my bank
isn't going to pay for januaryes A and ZIP isn't
going to pay for January if they can't promote their product.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Well, those companies, I guess will just have to be
in part of the sponsorship and promotion of the game
and they have to take their chances along the way.
But there will be issues, I suppose with the loyalties
that have been developed over a period of time. As
I said previously, we will keep a watch on this development.
But as I say, there's very little happening in terms
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of decisions being made. Where it's going to be at
January next year. Boy, can you get a competition running
up on that time? The Caribbean did apparently, but not
too sure.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Brian Waddle, Jeremy Coney on the front foot.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Let's go across the water. I know beggars can't be
choosers and we have to accept overseas tours when we
can get them. But a month in Sri Lanka for
the A side and Bangladesh for the black Caps has
been quite perplexing for me. The atem gained some valuable
experience in the heat and humidity of Sri Lanka, and
the black Caps battled to adapt to Bangladesh, who loved
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taking od I points from the three match series for
their tilted qualification for next year's World Cup. A two
one loss in the series some positives even in that
result for coach Rob Walter, but he acknowledged they struggled
to adapt to the massive climate change and barren pitch conditions.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
Absolutely, I think probably the most obvious one was the
heat was stifling, certainly nothing that we could have prepared
for and not to you kind of get used to
sort of in a week, but you know it was challenging.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
And then.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
The conditions in general were different, so challenge our skill
sets a little bit in different areas. And obviously given
that they've played the fair bit of cricket at home,
you know recently, they're just probably a little bit better
from an execution point of view in those conditions.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
What's the most important thing you can take out of
the three matches you play?
Speaker 5 (17:41):
I mean, you know, I would probably say it a
fair bit. But you know, there's no downside to that
type of experience for the players, you know, whether they
do well or poorly, because there's so much to learn
from it, you know, So you skills get put under
pressure by a good team, you either find your way
through or you don't. But whatever happens, you know, as
long as we're sort of learning individually and as a collective.
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So I think each individual person, if you had to
sit them down and ask them, you know, what they've
taken away. You know, they probably have their own personal stuff,
but it definitely be some some massive learnings around you know,
those guys who have kind of sat in the wings
or waited for opportunities and then and then been exposed
to a quality opposition in testing conditions and and how
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we've come out on the other side. So we've seen
some really nice performances obviously to see well, A're all
back on the field bowling. While again he got better
and better with every game that he played. That was
a positive. I mean, these are the obvious ones right there.
The score sheet will tell you. Nick Kelly, I thought
battled really well and showed some great grit and determination there.
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You know, Deans fox Froth played two nice innings is
along the way. Jadan Lennox was impressive again. So you know,
so we've had we had little contributions along the way,
some stand up performances, but but collectively just probably weren't
good enough against Bangladesh.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Encouraging then that there's a little bit of extra depth
for future selections in this kind of tournament, either ODIs
or Tea twitties.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
Absolutely, Again, there's also no downside to strengthening you know,
the the group of players that you can select from.
You know, the national team will be put under pressure
for varying reasons from a selection point of view, and
saying have having guys who've got you know, international experience
under the belt is critical, you know. I joked last
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night in the team meeting. In our team photo we
had someone with four CAP sitting in the front row,
so there would be you know, there would be a
first I think. So, so we keep building experience wherever
we can. It's never nice to lose, you know, but
if we if we sort of park the results on
the side, you know, we we're walking away stronger for it.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
For sure.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
You talked about Will O'Rourke. Was he on a managed
program as such or was it just the number of
overs meeting the requirements of where the game was at
at each stage.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
I know we were managing him as best as we can.
We had a sort of idea of a many overs
we wanted him to sort of cover in this period
and obviously their heat was you know, was a factor
that we were aware of, but you can't quantified ready.
So it was just being sort of aware of how
we wanted to use Will with a far bigger picture
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in mind, you know, So I would say it was
a it was a massive victory given the injury that
he's come back from and then the way that he bold.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Robot of course is going to be excited and and
happy with the way the team before. But I just
wonder they were fairly soundly beaten mostment they in those games.
They they didn't look the part and the word adapt
seemed to be missing in terms of their ability to adapt,
which is one of the words that they use quite often.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Isn't it it is we were We were second and
soundly beaten, and you can't walk away from that. The
conditions are and work challenging, and and and it is
quite a leak to go from from New Zealand and
then into those very warm and humid conditions up and
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up in Bangladesh. But but I think that we just
have to face the fact that we're going to play
a lot more cricket on the on the on the subcontinent,
and that's just the realities of life. So the more
exposure our players get to those conditions the better, because
we can't be we can't biggest, can't be choosers. We're
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not part of that little group of the big three
where where the other where the other lot And so
we just have to have to take it. But I
am comforted by I think the breadth and the scope
and the abilities of some of our cricketers has has
been coming to the fore. I'm really liking the fact
that that that a Curtis Heafi who has come out
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of the CD for instance, and Tim Robbins and you know,
these guys are getting runs in those conditions, and that
to me is that's what I'm liking, seeing good young
players or lots of young players getting exposure. I'm looking
for the positives here in the difficult few weeks for
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these two squads.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Yep, it's giving them something to do. Unfortunately they've been
washed out in a T twenty. I'm not going to
make my judgments on T twenty performances either. I mean,
the one day performances are probably more significant, aren't they,
Jerry when it comes to looking at the development of
future players. But you know Bangladesh and their conditions, they
had it all over it.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
They were tough and they were a bitter side. You
have to say those things, and that's I mean. New
Zealand just have to be a bit tearful and cognizant
of the fact they watch their points position on od
I and T twenty tables, don't they Yes, because they
are the ways that we actually get invited to World Cups,
and that's going to have to be watched if we
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are going to continue this developmental process. I just think
it's that time of year when we're going to find
this is kind of the part of the year when
we use development players because everybody else is away playing
in franchise cricket. So yeah, look the heat and humidity
Moose is mentioned. I thought the New Zealand players looked
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under pressure from that. It's harder to make good decisions
when you're not feeling I mean, I can remember Ken's
looking for a place to shine the ball and he
was he finally found his socks and it looked rather weird,
bent over at the top of his mark. But but
you know, the bowling, I thought, looked a lot stronger
the Bangladesh bowling and more consistent than ours. Whether it
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was I mean, Rana was the one who particularly got
the whippets and looked accurate. Shoreful was good though left
arm musta firs another left good control, and the pictures
were variable. I think Rob Walter's right that a lot
of the players will have found it quite difficult, and
they'll be better if they think about the things that
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they have to do next time they are in those conditions.
I thought O'Rourke, as I've mentioned, because that's the other
value is that you've got injury. You know, people coming
back from injury were able to perhaps get a little
bit of confidence in their bodies again and that they
could start to see. Ah, I'm getting some form back
as well. I thought Smith swung it. I can't help thinking,
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but his lack of heights sometimes at international level is
a bit of a disadvantage. You know, he's got to
be skiddy pace onto the batsman before they expect the ball.
Lister I think as a red ball player, not so
much a white ball player unless he gets the new ball.
I thought Tickner he was good when he was there.
He got wickets, didn't he, And I think he's still
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in the frame for England. Lenox I thought was accurate
again in those conditions. He's got to keep turning it.
And Foxcroft got a few runs, didn't he. So I
thought the medium struggled a bit more. Clerks and people
like that are bas no swing. But yeah, his cutters
were useful, but we lacked runs, didn't we wasn't that
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the issue too? Number three four five that will Young
Latham moa bas They didn't quite give us the runs
that we wanted from that area up the top so
we could develop some decent partnerships. So that that cost
you in an O DI I match, the.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Lack of runs, and I think we've touched on it
before is in part one because we didn't didn't didn't
didn't perform as we would have wished. But also I
think it was it was the fact that Bangladesh their
bowling attack was it was very good, and you know,
I was surprised but also impressed by what I sawt there.
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So you know, credit has to be given for Bangladesh
for being as strong a side than I think. We thought. Yeah,
there's some lessons to be taken from this, and again
let's look for the positives. Hopefully we learned something.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
On the front foot with Waddle and Cody Off spinning
all round A Nancy Patel and batter as He Sharpe
have earned their maiden World Cup call ops as part
of the White Ferns squad selected to defend their title
at the twenty twenty six ICC Women's T twenty in
England and June. The fifteen strong squad, led by captain
Neely Kirk, features ten players from New Zealand's victorious twenty
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twenty four campaign, including Sophie Devine and Susie Bates, who
will be attending their tenth and final T twenty World Cup.
The team form the bulk of the squad that will
have a build up tour of England as they prepare
for the World T twenties. Ben Sawyer joined on the
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front foot and says they achieved some of the improvement
they needed from the South African series, particularly in batting consistency.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (27:18):
I guess before South Africa and coming off the back
of Zimbabwe, it was posting those bigger scores. And when
I say bigger, we've done our work. We've done our research.
I think the last four years of international cricket in
England there's been series against Australia, India and South Africa,
so four of the top countries in the world if
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you count England, and the average first inning score in
T twenty has been one seventy. So we set out
at the start of the summer that that was our benchmark,
and I think that first game against South Africa we
scored one ninety. We chased two of our i think
top four ever chasers against South Africa in T twenty cricket,
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So it's just more of that. We know that grounds
are potentially going to be a little bit smaller, wickets
are going to be really really good, so it's exposing
ourselves to scoring scores above one eighty, but also then
getting used to chasing that and I think that's what
we did really well. And I'm sure England are going
to post those big scores as well against us in
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the T twenty series, and it's just continually being calm
and chasing those scores.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Having seen the results of the South Africa India series,
does that put the performance of New Zealand against them
here into a different perspective food Does it give you
a bit more encouragement about the team's performance.
Speaker 6 (28:42):
Yeah, I just think it shows that South Africa are
a great team and like I said earlier, I have
been in the last three white Ball or World Cup
events they've been finalists, so they're a great side.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
At home against India.
Speaker 6 (28:59):
While India are still probably favorites, you'd expect South Africa
to go well in their home conditions and they've played
really well. So yeah, it's nice to see that a
team that we beat is now beating other teams around
the world, so that always, you know, is pleasing. But yeah,
I think South Africa are a great team in their
own right.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Yeah, the newer players started to turn in performances against
South Africa. I guess you also want greater consistency from
the more experienced players. They started to deliver some bigger
scores as well, and that's going to be important in
both formats of the game, isn't it.
Speaker 6 (29:35):
Yeah, merely obviously had an outstanding season both ODII and
C twenty. Sophie got a you know sixty off a
thirty there at Wellington and was a match winning performance.
I think she had a couple of those, even someone
like easy Gaye. You know, it's not that she's a
senior player, but she's been around for a while now
and I thought her contributions both against him Bawey and
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South Africa were great. Yeah, it's it's about getting off
to good starts and in partnerships, not necessarily just individuals,
but getting us off to a good start. So that
you know, chasing or scoring that one eighty is you know,
well within our.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Grasp he tried as he gazed at the top of
the order in the t twenties. Is going to continue
with that in the matches that you're up against now
or was that just an experiment at that time.
Speaker 6 (30:27):
No, No, she's someone that we think can deliver for
us at the top of the order. Again, like I
said in Partnership with Georgia, and if we do lose
a wicket with Merely like it's you know, as coaches
were encouraging them and pushing them to get us off
to fast start, so that that also means that mistakes
are going to happen. But looking back on South Africa,
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I think four of the five power plays, we had
better power plays than South Africa. So whether that's our
bowls are bowling good or our batters scored really quickly,
you know, we outplayed South African for the power plays
and easy Gaze was a huge part of that and
and you know will continue to be there for the
for the England series.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
And your confidence and Merely Kerr as captain of the side.
Speaker 6 (31:11):
Yeah, her big, her big word and the big takeaway
from me was was around belief and and you know,
she wants all the players and the staff to to
really have that belief that that we are one of
the top countries in the world and and to believe
that that we can beat anybody. So that's a really
big part of her captaincy and that's you know, a
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big part of my role now is to support the
captain in trying to instill that belief. So you know,
I've heard her being interviewed and talk about the fact
that when we won the World Cup, you know again,
if you've done it, you can you can believe that
you can do it again. And even just in individual games,
if you know, if we can encourage our players and
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give them that belief, then we think they can stand
really tall and perform on the world stage. So that
that's really important.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
And yes, in and around the long so we've we've
looked at that.
Speaker 6 (32:04):
I I think the Zimbabwe and South Africa series was
like forty two days and we spoke about that after
forty two days will still be two days short of
the start of the World Cup. So we've done a
lot of prep around that. We've got a little break
period booked in for the players where they can go
away from a cricket environment and refresh for just three
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or four days and then come back. So yeah, great
point that you made at but ones that hopefully we've
got plans in place.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
For Brian Waddell, Jeremy Cooney on the front foot.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Interesting story came up on the internet this morning and
you'll be intrigued by this, you guys. Michael Holdings saying
something that a million of us have said in the past,
well nearly a million. I don't know, there might be
less than that or more. But because he says that
it holds two, apparently he's reignited the debates surrounding the
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direction of modern cricket, vehemently criticizing the burgeoning dominance of
T twenty leagues after traditional format or traditional formats. He's
asserted that cricket administrators often prioritize revenue generation over preserving
test cricket, warning that such priorities could potentially jeopardize the
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game's long term future. He stressed the success in T
twenty tournaments does not necessarily translate to strength and test cricket,
echoing concerns made by other people. I think that's been
said a fair bit in the past, isn't it. It
makes a headline because it comes from Michael holding does it.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Well, I'm not sure which part I disagree with, Brian.
I think I think we've. I think we've And by
the way, I'm very pleased he's actually said it, because
that has the effect of drawing people's attention to what
is and genuinely is a problem for the game in
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its in its broader sense, and the greatness of the game,
the game why we're talking about and what we love,
has been somewhat trivialized into into into the matches being played,
which none of us can remember. The ones we remember
are typically great. One day is where you know we
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won the World Cup in twenty nineteen. I'm sure that
was the case.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
Great games.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
And I'm not. I refuse to concede that the the
people in the Northern Hemisphere think that they want. But
the point I'm trying to draw out here is those
those are the matches that we love, and that that
victory in Wellington a couple of years back, and where
we came back from being flogged allround the park at
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the base and reserved by Brook and the route and
whatever else and there was five days of fabulous cricket.
That's the stuff that people turn up and watch and
will happen in England in the three day in the
three Test matches coming up.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Yeah, the kind of game that we build memories on. Jeremy,
you wouldn't have agreed too much with Michael holding them
and he was at the other end with the red ball,
but I imagine you could probably agree with what he
says now about the status of the game.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
Now. Has he not noticed this already? Does he not
have a phone? Does he not have I don't know,
a radio, or you're right, Michael says something and people
seem to take notes. Let's hope they do, because I'm
afraid the direction of travel at the moment isn't a
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sustaining one. Really. I think we've I think we've classed
a tipping point now and it's and it's only when
the players, the players themselves are going to say stop
enough that we're going to get some action. I think
otherwise you know, the red ball game is heading downhill.
Speaker 7 (36:10):
I'm afraid, yes, indeed, And there's an issue in England
County cricket at the moment, and I'm not sure where
I sit on this issue.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
I think it's probably valid.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
The headline of the story says the eight day rule
needs to be looked at. What it refers to is
what is currently being used in English county cricket as
replacement players for injury or illness. The trial has rolled
out in the county game for the first time. It
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covers illness and covers like full like replacements. Now we
have replacements for those who get hit in the head
and that's fine. Should it be more widespread? Is there
an issue that it's being misused in England because a
player was refused the chance to play as a replacement
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because he was regarded as having greater experience than the
player he was about to replace.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Had you said Jerry Wadds, Yeah, I know what you're
talking about. And the replacement, instead of being a right
arm bowler was actually a left arm bowler and also
had to travel from Glamorgan way up. I think they
it was something to do with Lancashire, wasn't it. But yeah,
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it seems a bit weird. Like for like, I agree
with you about the significant life event. I think that's
fair enough. It is a one year experiment. I think
this rule, So a death in the family, sudden serious illness,
you mentioned concussion that can be sort of medically measured,
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birth of a child. I guess you can sort that
out because you know it's happening with selectors or whatever.
Other than that, my view on this thing is crickets
between two teams of eleven, and that's been the way
it has been for one hundred years, and it seems
to me there are moves to try and change this
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in some ways. There's a thing called an impact player, now,
isn't there at the IPL at Corve. Yeah, well that's right.
They call it tactical flexibility, but it just means that
you haven't made a decision before the game starts. Yeah,
they name up five other players alongside the playing eleven. Yeah, look,
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I look, cricket is cricket's also it's eleven against eleven.
You've got to make choices on the first morning to
see if you can get some sort of advantage over
the team you're playing. And it's also a game of stamina.
Six hours a day, five days, thirty hours, fifteen marathons.
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It's a game of resilience, and you've got to be
ready for things that happen, and sometimes you're not expecting them.
So if your hamstring goes, bad luck for that side
if you're in your fourth or your fifth spell, because
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other bowlers haven't been able to do their job. So
I'm against the sub idea and principle. How do you
know how serious the soft tissue injury is? Look at
look at the runner situation wads and most you know,
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teams played it to their advantage. They'll play this rule
to advantage as well. You know in the heat when
the batsman's getting to bat for a long time and
so they suddenly need a runner, and it's changed that rule,
hasn't it. So you know, I can see some down
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the road things. I mean, I was at the Oval,
guys when I saw Chris Wolkes walking down those steps
with his arm and a sling underneath his jerseys, and
it didn't look great, I've got to say. But you know,
the team had kind of they needed him to get
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over a little line. I only needed about a dozen runs,
ten runs, so tough for him. But there are lots
of moments when you've got to confront toughness in your life,
aren't they.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Yep?
Speaker 4 (40:44):
I see a couple of problems with it. I think
teams will try and use it. I think there might
even be player where they would come up to an
important game they'll say, oh, Bill, it's a really important game.
He's not quite ready, but he's bold once or twice
in the nuts. It's a little bit early for him,
but we know we can get a replacement and we'd
throw him in. You know, that's a possibility that teams
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might think about. Now it all, you know, And I think,
like for light wats what does that mean?
Speaker 3 (41:13):
Can I extend what you're just saying there? Jeria? I
find these these tweaks, if that's what it is, or
these changes or these these changes which are being proposed
or in place. It's sort of an americanization of cricket.
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You know, in baseball you have a pinch hitter. It's
it's sort of smacks of that a little bit, and
you can sub people in and out, and that's fine. Baseball, wonderful,
wonderful sport. But yeah, that's baseball. Leave it. You know,
NBA you can sub in and out and so on, football,
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SoC soccer, football, But cricket is cricket, and it's been
around for a very very long time, and and it's
as you say, Jerry, it is a game of resilience
and roughness and some with luck. You know, if someone
comes down. That's why someone has a twelf man if
I remember, because they could come on and field. And
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by the way, we all know that twelve men have
it from time been gamed as it work. But that's
the whole principle of it. And so why do we
need to change it. I don't change what's already been
pretty good for quite a long period of time. Would
be my sort of summation of that. And we should
And I'm not trying to be a silly old person
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who doesn't like change. I quite like it. But I
think we love our game for what it is, and
we want to be a game which is special and
has its idiosyncrasies and its quirks and so on, and
we should preserve that sort of stuff because that's what
makes it great.
Speaker 6 (42:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
I just wonder about the fact of a player being
injured in a game, and sometimes you get to a
situation that then becomes eleven against ten, and if somebody
breaks a leg, then I don't see why they shouldn't
be replaced in a like for like basis. And I
know what you say Jerry about you know what is
like for like you can't bring in a left arm
(43:14):
spinner who bowls chinaman against a past bowler because the
picture has changed dramatically in its shape and its form
two days into a game. So you know, but I
think sometimes it's a little unfair when you take a
bowler out of a side because he's broken a toe,
(43:37):
an arm, a leg or whatever and you leave.
Speaker 4 (43:41):
A side short.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
That's the that's the area that I think needs to
be considered. Family bereavements, birth of children. Yeah, it's a
it's a minefield of an area, really, isn't it to
start discussing those sorts of things when you when you're
(44:03):
talking about social type issues.
Speaker 4 (44:06):
Well, how many players do you carry around ones? If
you're playing for Auckland and you're playing in Dunedin and
instead of twelve you take down eighteen players, airfares and
accommodation just to cover a like for like situation, Well,
you know, do you want another opener? Do you need
another opener? Is he left or right hand or a
(44:28):
quickie left or right arm spin of the same thing?
You need a keeper? Wouldn't you an extra keeper. What
about a stronger player of spin versus an opener? What
about a what about a Coney's playing or waddle? A
tall man and a short man because the bowlers have
to bowl different lengths. You know, I just kind of
(44:48):
don't you can go on about this. Can't you get
an inexperienced quick who takes wicket but gives up runs.
Or do you have an experienced guy who bowls long
spells and has to work hard for his wickets? Or
you get a slips fielder who feels in close or
a dynamic backward point who races around the boundary and
runs people out. You know, you could go on and
(45:11):
on about light for like, So I personally think you've
got twelve people who play the game. You name it
at the start. If someone is injured, in comes the
twelfth man. So it's not even pretending to be light
for like. Sometimes it'll work, sometimes it won't. If you
really have to do this, it's a player out and
(45:34):
another body in, and the and the side just do
their best in a bad situation that they didn't want.
You might get a spinner and a green seemer. You
might get, you know, a number nine coming in for
a top order batsman. That's just that's what happened. I mean,
that's the game. And I'm afraid fingers can be meant hamstrings,
(45:57):
stretch more, get more, but to switch between overs, do
it before play. Get fitter so that you can bowl
that fifth spell. You know, fingers and hands can be fixed.
You go out, your eyes it up, you get things
you put it. I played a whole series with a
metal sleeve over a broken finger. That these are just
some of the things that the game provides for you.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
Yeah. Interesting, I was never good enough to play at
the level that you guys played at. And there wouldn't
be a like for like in terms of me anyway, so.
Speaker 4 (46:30):
You know you would.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
Yeah, I was. I was one of a kind. But
I knew how to poor drinks, so I might have
got that job like for like most who was like you.
Speaker 4 (46:44):
Well that's the that's the insue. See, no one is
like anybody else.
Speaker 3 (46:49):
Well well, and and I recall I did Mafair Stint's
twelve man over over over the time, and and I
and I bought, I bought a certain certain style to
all of that. And but you know, you were part
of the team. But it was tough man and and
and you're part of the team, but it were an
(47:09):
important part because you had a role to play. And
that was the way it was. We swatched it around
with old Badger when I was there, Badger being brand
seed all of course he's he was there sometimes but
always up for it. No, that was a great great
that's the great thing about the sport. I love it.
And just very quickly, I think Jerry referred to you
as being short, but I've always considered you very tall
(47:32):
for your height.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
You know what, I was just going to suggest I
might be able to sit on your shoulders while I'm
betting you know exactly.
Speaker 4 (47:40):
I was making a point, Fellas, that's all.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
Yeah, that's very harsh moves. I mean, Jerry wouldn't say
things like that. Oh well, never mind, And just a
quick word on you, said Badger, Brian Seedable. He would
have destroyed more boundary fences and advertising hoardings than any
of you two put together, wouldn't he.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
Oh look, I think that with the bringing bringing the
ropes in the these days, the games lost something not
to have, not to have Brian careering into into the
picket fence or worse still, the hill at Pukakura Park,
which I think did take some damage from time to
(48:25):
time from Brian. Yes, yeah, a courageous man sometimes would
have thought. But we loved him dearly and still do.
Speaker 4 (48:35):
I remember an even park. You know, there's that little
that little concrete wall and above it there were these
metal railings with pailings going down. We had to go
and remove his head from between those two of those posts.
That was extraordinary how he managed he was he was
(48:58):
stuck just with Thish facing the wrong way.
Speaker 3 (49:02):
Out.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
Yeah, so they were actually transplanting heads in those days.
Speaker 4 (49:06):
That was great. I mean, come along, get his brother on.
That'd all be lined up beside each other in the
end of the match.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
Yes, there are some stories about the fielding antics and
the outfield antics of Brian Seedable, and there are many
other cricketers these days. I'm sure that we can talk
about in terms of their commitment to more than one
hundred percent, even if you can get more than Yes, gentlemen,
(49:41):
thank you very much. Lovely to talk to you. As
I say, we'll talk women's cricket next week. But nice
to have been able to get your view on substitutions.
You can pop off and have a game of golf. Now,
if you like Most and Jerry, you can go and
read up on the history of women's cricket.
Speaker 3 (50:04):
I bid you farewell from Portsy Golf Club, where it's
a tru for Wendy and therefore maybe a little bit
challenging for.
Speaker 4 (50:11):
Vulnerable low moose. Get that number two or number one
out to get them below the wounds.
Speaker 3 (50:19):
Only God can play a one eye and I never
never professed to be.
Speaker 4 (50:24):
When you take the two, you take the two.
Speaker 8 (50:28):
Good luck boy, Thanks very much, all the ages of Summers.
Speaker 1 (50:45):
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