July 10, 2026 • 35 mins
This week on On The Front Foot, Bryan Waddle and Jeremy Coney focus their attention on the Black Caps’ one day series in the Caribbean.
They also discuss Australia’s dominance at the W20 tournament in England, what can be done to make the White Ferns competitive again, and along with Peter Holland, they relive some memories from Kane Williamson’s 16 years of international cricket.
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Speaker 3 (00:45):
Hello, the Test Series is over in England, but we're
still on the front foot and the black Cats are
heading to the West Indies, their first game about to begin,
one of five. Odie I's so no risk for some
of the Test squad. The women's Tea twenty final Australia
too strong for England. What's needed now to try and
look the Whitebirds to somewhere near competing. Is the McCullum
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future still a MAJORISI or is it still raging in
the UK? Or has the issue died down a little bit?
Ben Stokes hasn't remained quiet. Second, he said after he
was brought to bear by the ICC Integrity Committee. Now
I think we should have a reflection on Caine Williamson.
We didn't get a chance to farewell Cane Williamson when
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he retired and some of the fine memories that he
has produced. Jerry Coney is still around the UK. Jeremy,
what what's going on with Stokes and McCullum is it?
Is it gone quite there because of the the Women's
final and the ODIs or the Tea twenties they're playing
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against India at the moment.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Yeah, that seems to be the feeling. I have that
and get to you and the Moose. Look it is that.
It's just that other things have replaced it at the moment.
I don't think for any step that it is the
end of that issue at all. I think that there's
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a lot to be played out in that scenario and
maybe we could talk about that a bit more at
length sometime. So yeah, it's just on hold. You're right,
that's what it is.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
I don't know if you've been watching the t twenties Moose,
but England have been giving the Indians supposedly the home
of Tea twenty cricket now a real old pasting after
Ireland did the same thing. It almost looks as it's
a salvation for McCallum, who is smiling once again because
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England are willing.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Taking take India out of out of India, and yeah,
things don't look quite the same. It's not a bad
side that England have got just by the way Archer
and tongue producer, very good performances, very quick. This guy
Phil Saltz seems to be pretty good Brooks. I mean,
the guy can play and clearly as a future leader.
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So there's a pretty good team that they're pulled together
and that will save McCallum for our time being. But
here's my smokie if you like, I think Alex Stewart
is someone that they will want to bring and they
want to bring in a Brett because they love all
of that and McCullum's time. Will I if he gets
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through to Pakistan series in late late August September, I
will be surprised because there are forces at play that
will I think inevitably bring his down. And yeah, and
for reasons which we all kind of understand. And it's frankly,
if I'm an English supporter, I think I'm looking for
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some change and they want to go to Alex Stewart
seems to have done a brilliant job with Surrey. Yeah,
they get big crowds. They and Jerry will know this
because I think you've been involved with that. They have
been a very successful county side and I think being
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a Brett X Test player brings respect, very calm individual
so that would be where I'm thinking. So it hasn't
got a way and that's where I think they go.
I believe he has a good relationship with Rob Kee,
Rob keymate keeper's job, but McCallum may and up being
showing the door is the mooset tip.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
How do you read it, Jerry Well, I think.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
I mean Alex Stewart's name has been mentioned perhaps more
rather than in the coaching role more because he's a
very very fine organizer behind the scenes. Certainly he does
a bit of coaching as well, and he was the
one who used to I used to see training folks
every day that they would have their routine that they
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would go with before they played their four day games.
So he's seen out in the middle as well. But
it's the organization that he does behind the scenes, getting players,
who's next, where do we plan to go now? And
those kinds of issues, and he's he has his huge
whiteboards in his room and they're all very organized and
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so on, so he would be something to add to
that group that we've always recognized keyan McCullum as big ideas.
We got the ideas fellas and then there, and McCullum
is quite persuasive when he's actually putting them forward. But
when it comes to the detail like ordering the whacker
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a year before so that you've got it there right beside.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
The ground route, that's so true.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Planning those kinds of issues they do not do and
so and that's really what they certainly need. And you
can't say, well, that's they're just not those sorts of people.
That's part of your job. And personally, I think the
things that have been happening here the oppressive silence once
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that incident had occurred, and I mean McCullum could have
easily come out and said and it lasted for nine
or ten days between because the first test is, you know,
guys that welcome Matt that they put out law at
Lord's in the form of a wicket which was practically unplayable,
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and England won, of course, and things were looking up
suddenly for McCullum and Key in particular, and it looks
like they might might even sort of get away with it,
but you know they were pointing it as the as
the start of the reboot, for the mark of the
team improvement, and they took the credit for that, of course.
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And it seems over here that you know, there's a
strong element in the modern game where jobs and policies
out on the field of play actually a kind of
secondary to the way that it looks and plays out
in the media. It's not enough to play well, but
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you've got to make sure the media follow and they
reflect the line of thinking and the supporting that what
Key and McCullum are presenting. You know, but nine days
it took just silence while they reckon that regulator was
sort of looking at McCullum. Could have come out, couldn't
he There's nothing in it fellas this incident, you know,
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there's nothing to see here. Stokes was outside, Atkinson didn't
know the curfew. He was not in Sri Lanka when
it was sort of it was in place. Yes, it
doesn't look great, but equally Stokes and Atkins and you
know they were unwinding after a Test win. But he
didn't he didn't say anything. In other words, that the people. Yeah,
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he could have said the test is over, the curfew
doesn't apply, it's player time. That's not news and.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Let's move on.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah, Stokes is having a smoke outside, that's not news.
The ECA security guard was hit. That's unfortunate, but that
can happen. But it's not news. But no one did that.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
I guess he didn't want to own up to having
a smoke. That might have been the crime that have
the cutout, but it will, it will sharpen the future.
They've got a decision to make. There's not much we
can talk about the black Caps, who are heading to
the West Indies and starting an ode I series. The
one thing that.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
Oh, of course most I thought to myself, Guyana jury
have been there, hot, sweaty and muggie. So I looked
up rainy season in Guyana. It's peak rainy season right now.
So how many games we're going to get? We go
to Barbados for the last couple Well, I think that
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should be fine, but that and I thought, this is
not the time of year ago you go to the
West Indies. Anyway, we're there, so I don't know how
much cricket we're going to get. Interesting that revenge has
got to carve out to come play MLC. Question mark
on that?
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yes, Now what do you guys, what do you guys
think of that? Should he be able to do that?
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Pick and choose? And I don't think he's hit that
right yes yet because he tell you what, he was
dodgy in that test series, couldn't field. Yeah, yeah, there
were question marks around him. And to pick and choose
on that, that's for your really elite players. And look, okay,
you're a damn fine player, Revenger, but you haven't proven yourself.
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I'm I'm scarchy on that one.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Got to say, yeah, interesting one. I guess it's a
challenge to see where we're at with the one day
game because the West Indies are pretty good at home,
aren't they? In terms of their white balls? Look at
their test team. Their test team has done a pretty
useful job over Sri Lanka and there's been a lot
of runs scored. But it's a totally different side that's
going to play Odie Eyes. But we've got a lot
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of new boys in there, and you mentioned Ravendra not
being there. Conway has been allowed to come home for
family reasons and that's fine and It's not a full
frontline Odie Ice squad as far as I see it,
but it's an indication of where they're looking for future
games and ODII World Cup jury.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
I look at this as a pretty interesting side. I
think it's actually part of growing your depth, you know.
I'm liking the fact that Foxcroft is there. I like
the fact that, oh yeah, this Christian Clark who they
seem to be putting a fair bit of faith. And
we've still got Nichols and Mitchell and Will Young, and
I love the fact that Michael Brace was back. I
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think it's it's got the makings of what the future
is going to look like here with Revenge of perhaps
coming back in a later point. And it's fair enough
to let O'Rourke, Jamison and Henry and Technical for that matter,
who's who's got to ensudio? I think let them all
recover because very important to us in coming forward. Give
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them a break, very very important.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah, I mean there's a little bit of a thought
about who will be in the top top three, isn't there?
Young will be there. I guess you've got Nichols to
throw in at that point. You've got I mean, Chapman
and well, Latham will probably come in at five, won't he. Yeah.
I would have thought Mitchell would have been a sort
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of a shoe. And for number four, you've got Chapman
around that area as well, haven't you. So they've got
a little bit of cover there. And they got Nick
Kelly of course in the top three as well, haven't you.
You've got some cover. But that's an important part of
the game, isn't it. That powerplay? How in New Zealand
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going to approach that? I mean just generally not even
talking about the conditions and the other the opposition they've
they've got to confront that issue and how are we
going to go about it? The next thing is is
sort of that middle order part you've got You've got Mitchell,
you've got Latham, and at six you might have Bracewell,
and you've also got around that area you've got Foxcroft,
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haven't you. Yeah. And then you get to sort of
seven and you're starting to think about Santana down there,
Santa and Smith. That's sort of seven, seven and eight
or are they eight and nine? And then you've got
a youngish kind of bowling attack, two guys who are settled.
Now it seems much more in terms of Smith and
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in terms of Duffy coming back. I hope Duffy isn't
going to forget his red ball game. I hope that's
not a sign for this, really, I'm sure it's not.
Those two are will be the first selected, I think,
and then it's Christian Clark and Fisher, isn't it. And
then Listeners come in as well. So they've got those
other three to fit in around that. So the spin
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looks I think quite strong, Santana, Bracewell and Lenox, isn't
it yep. And then you've got your seamers which I've
just mentioned and the Batsman. It is a slightly younger
side and components in part, but that's okay. The West
Indians the usually as you say, it was quite hard
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to beat there. They've got pretty much the same side
that came over here. They were more competitive I think
in the t twenties than they were in the ODIs
when they played over here. That was in November. We're
look at the times we're playing we're talking about rain
there and look at the time we played them when
they were here in November, and we haven't got that
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many Odie eyes. Have we watched between now and the.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Only Test Matches Championship, Yeah, exactly, and the World Test
Championship games as well. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
So we've got, as you say, most Georgetown Providence where
they're playing three games, and I think you're right. They
played the last couple bedos. Their batting looks pretty similar
as it was in New Zealand, so I hope will
be there number four the wicket keeper. And then they've
got Campbell and Carti and Chack Chase as a key man,
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and Gray Graves is a key man, isn't he Chaffeine Rutherford?
And in the bowl the bowling will be quite strong.
They're seemas Jaden Seals Shama Joseph Alzari Joseph, you know.
And then they've got a right armor from Guyana kim
O Paul, and then there's spin that there's the good
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Akish Moti, isn't it left armor, And they've got this
new guy who's a left arm legue. I haven't heard
of him before. Chap called laws Vitel laws. So we'll
wait and see whether you know how they go. I
think we're kind of the measure of them, but they
could be nice close games. And very good for the
young uns to be part of.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Yeah, very much the developmental stage for our only eye side.
And there are players, as you say, who would probably
normally be there but because of various situations aren't so
a chance to have a look at some of the
newer players.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Brian Waddell, Jeremy Coney on the front foot.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
I got to say I enjoyed the women's T twenty final.
The Ossies are too good, They're too strong. England have
made an improvement, but they were basically blind off the park.
You know, they scored one hundred and fifty odd, but
you know, Litchfield and Mooney did an outstanding job with
the bat and it left us with a feeling of
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where are the white ferns going to improve? To manage
to compete consistently? What's it going to take? I mean,
I don't know whether you guys watched it, but boy,
a good old, a good old full house at Lord's
and you know then things were.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
Normal.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Transmission was was maintaining, wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Look I saw I saw part of that final lodge.
I missed a little bit of the England batting. I
saw the end with Siver Brunt was struggling a little bit,
and the commentators were kind of saying, oh, this is
quite a tough pitch in sort of hopeful tones. And
it just changed, didn't it as soon as Australia came
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out right from the first ball actually, which was smashed
with Dean Bold instead of Lindsey, an off spinner instead
of the left armor came in first and just smashed
it for four over the top and you just leg side,
but nice and straight. But the full face of the
bat said there, that's what we're going to be doing
to you. And they just continued at a pace, at
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a speed and at skills, not only going down the
pictures we're all accustomed to seeing, to challenge length and
win that battle which you're always facing the game of cricket,
but also giving their stumps away by shimming to the
leg side and say, you bowl out there, but if
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you don't get your length right, I can cut you
and attack square of the wicket, and then if you
bowl a little bit wider than that, I'm ready to
chase you out there and I'll whack you on the
leg side and cut you through. You know. They just
had such a wide range of strokes my word that
that young girl was I think it was? Was it Litchfield?
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Man? Can she play the timing and the range of
shots and accessing parts of the field. The England bowlers
had no idea their quick bowl of bells. Struggled. She
bowled one off the cut surface, didn't she? You know?
Eckleton sort of pulled it back a little bit. Miss struggled,
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She missed her links, She didn't know what the lichfield
was just too good for them, and so was Mooney.
So they basically they fell short with the bat England.
They were placed under huge pressure, but from Mooney and
Litchfield to two left handers and they basically were winning
the game and just one team vastly superior than another.
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What it means for other teams is, by hell, what
are we going to do? You know? How do you
close the gap? Well?
Speaker 3 (19:06):
The interesting the interesting thing is not so much about
the other teams. What is New Zealand going to do?
Because they are defending champions and they didn't even make
the semifinals and basically their quality of performance was poor.
Where do they need to make a change. How are
they going to make the change to be competitive? We
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don't expect them to win everything outright, but I think
we have an expectation that they'll be challenging for a
semi final birth.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Jerry, Well, you'd like to think so odds, but we
are going to have to go back to the drawing board,
aren't we. I mean, right from moving movement in the field,
chasing getting to a ball, not just that turning ones
into twos.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
You know that aggressive running.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Well, we didn't do that. We almost lost a game
and won, and we should really have lost to Art
was at Ireland. They were only four down or something
like that. We could have easily lost that game. But
I mean, we've just got to move better, quicker, more accurately.
So we need someone in that in that group, I think,
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who can you know, look at that? That's a first
because you no one really notices it until you suddenly
see a team that's slow in the park, that's not
stopping boundaries, that isn't getting to catch us. You know,
it's a small margin, fellas, isn't it. Sometimes you dive,
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you miss it by an inch, it goes for four.
And you know, if you were quicker, you'd stop that
and you'd save two or you'd save three. And so
those things matter, and so I think movement, I think catching. Obviously,
you know we can't.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
That was one of the big problems.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
It can't get to a total and then drops six
and seven catches and hope that wind so and then
the batting nods we've talked about before is trying to
play both sides of the field, not just one. We
often get hockey girls who come through from hockey to
play cricket and they want to and that's fabulous, but
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we've also got to be able to keep the shape
of the body so that you can play on the
off side. Not the short ones, not the ones that
you can cut because that's an easier stroke. I'm thinking
about drives through extra cover over the top of mid off,
which is off and up and long honor is the
one that's put back early on in the power play.
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But you can hit it over mid off, especially someone
like Lindsay Smith. He just comes in little drifters to you.
That's just a little shimmy inside the ball. Drive over
the top of mid off four runs, you know, and
that's not a risky shot. So we need to do that.
So there's a whole range of things there wads. I've
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covered quite a few, but they're very basic things. Now,
whether that means change to the players, whether it means
changes to the coaching, or whether it means changes a
bit more money here and there, I don't know. But
at the moment, I'm afraid the girls aren't quite earning
their doll are they.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
No, they're notice most You've had a chance to reflect
on some of that, and you know, I mean we've
talked about it in previous programs. They are not making
progress the New Zealand women's team, are they? They are
treading water pretty much.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
We got Diard lucky because South Africa put Australia out
in the previous twenty twenty and then we beat South Africa.
But great they got it. And the names on the
trophy that said, I just see this enormous golf, and
I mean the fact that England got flogged like they
did by Australia. And I thought England played some really
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good cricket and I love the way a lot of
their players play. I love their keeper. She can bat well,
she just as a keeper. She looked great competitor. Our
keeper who looks I don't want to be mean, but.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Not cutting it frankly, Yeah, and that's one of the
things that they have to look for in the future,
and we will endeavor to get some reaction in terms
of the women's side, but they are very reluctant to
talk about the negatives. They want to look at the
posites and that's fine. I don't have a problem with that.
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But you've got to face up to the fact that
you're not basically able to achieve the level of performance
that we expect or that they would expect from themselves
as well. There must be major disappointment and we'll look
at that at a future occasion.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
On the front foot with Waddle and Cody.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Just want to finished this week by talking about Cain Williamson.
We didn't get a chance to talk much about him
in terms of some of the performances. I mean, he
had a long career. You've only got to look at
what he achieved. I mean he scored nineteen thousand, three
hundred and forty six international runs, nine five hundred test matches,
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seven thousand, two hundred in ODIs and two and a
half thousand in international T twenty matches. Some of your memories, Jerry,
what do you remember from Caine Williamson. Any special innings
that struck you.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Of course, Brian. I mean, and I've kind of just
so many of them really, some of them attacking innings
where New Zealand are behind and he takes the team
into a point where they can potentially declare and push on.
There was that match in Bridgetown where I think he
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got you know, New Zealand were behind in the first innings, yes,
and he got one hundred and sixty odd and you
know they were sixty odd for three in the second
innings and he just pushed the lead up to three
hundred and I think maybe Brendan McCullum was captain then,
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might have been two thousand and I don't know, thirteen
fourteen somewhere there, and McCullum was able to declare and
New Zealand ended up winning that series two to one.
People like Rutherford Hamosh Rutherford was in that team and
Nichham Mark Craig was the spinner. Wasn't he Bolt Wagoner?
So that's certainly an innings where he got that one
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hundred and sixty. I'll give you a quick one where
he's saved New Zealand where we were playing at Wellington
against an attack South Africa. Again. Yeah, more name Morcal
Philander Stain, Marchan de longee. Doermany not used. Doermany not
used at all because it was a seamer's wicket and
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needing to bat out that last day, weren't they New
Zealand were eighty for five and he was hit several times.
He was dropped once, I think, but that's right, but
you know he batted out the day and the New
Zealand attack just interestingly enough, fellas was Chris Martin, Doug
Bracewl and Mark Gillespie. So and he got one hundred
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and two I think in that inning's not out to
see New Zealand home. What about the one in christ
Church where they went off the last Ballfellers, we're playing
against Sri Lanka and were chasing I guess about two
hundred and ninety or something like that in seventy overs,
so they were over fours and while they were two
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hundred and thirty for three chasing this, you know, two
eighty two ninety, they then lost five wickets quite quickly
and suddenly it was a tight match, wasn't it? Overs
versus clock versus wickets? And in the dying moments. I
think there was only Blair ticking at to that and
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the wind came from the final ball, wasn't it that?
Neil Wagoner And and I do remember Williamson diving in
at the non striker's end and yeah, one hundred and
whatever he got there, I can't quite remember, but I
do remember that match quite an exciting match. Yeah, one
where he showed his ability for spin wards. It was
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at Bangladesh and Siliette on a turning track. The Bangladesh
people only had one seema, you know, Shoofel who's still
there at the moment, but he kept in news. He
got about one hundred and five or whatever. But brilliant
work with seeing links moving down the pitch if it
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was a bit short cutting. You know. They had Taijel,
I don't know whether you remember him. They had made,
they had Hassan, they had Nominal, you know, and they
won the game because he was out l b W
early in the second and New Zealand fell apart. So
those are some I would just like to remember. Just
one and last innings was wasn't a Test inings Actually
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it was a T twenty innings and we don't really
think of Caine so much in those terms, do we.
But it was in that final against the Australians. It
must have been in Dubai, I think. And it was
a not a very good, not a very good series
because the conditions ruined it, are we But if you
lost the toss, you were forced to bat first in
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the dry weather and it turned and it gripped, and
people like Hazel would were very difficult to play. But
Kane Williamson took Mitchell Stark down. You know, he ended
a Stark ended up with four overs for sixty and
Williamson got eighty five. I think off about forty balls
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and just to show the sheert skill he had at times,
so he could play different ways.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
As what I'm saying, Yes, indeed, most what are your
memories of Williamson?
Speaker 4 (29:13):
When this topic came up? He did some research, you know,
surprises you, I know. But I just think the colossal
scale of what he did across across he was such
a long period of time and the consistency of it
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is his in and of itself, is remarkable. So you've
just got to your hats off to him when I
when I look and think about him, the way he
carried I think carried and there were other good players
in it. And the nineteen in twenty nineteen One day International,
the World Cup, which will be we drew hide, shall
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we say, with England. Let's not forget that. I thought
he was fabulous all through that period. He played for
Normal Learnings against India in the in the semi final.
He batted phenomenally all through that period and I think
and he was awarded Player of the of the World Cup.
That to me was when he was at his absolute peak.
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He was in control of the very test matches play
one days and twenty twenties. Look one of our greats.
And I'm not going to pick pick winners here, but
he he's an hospital. He's he's great that we've actually
had him played for us simple.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
And gave us some Yeah. And you talk about the
twenty nineteen World Cup, the one hundred he got against
South Africa.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Interesting, that was the one through.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Yeah, that was that was an innings and a half
and hundreds don't always make it. But just a quick
mention too, of the World Test Championship. He got half
centuries I think in one or other of the innings,
but only the thirties, forties fifties, but being at the
crease with Ross Taylor to in that game I think
was suitable memory for both those players for their contribution
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to the side, and they won the World Test Championship
and they did it with peak performances, not swashbuckling hundreds
like we saw at Perth from both of them, but
on that occasion, you know, they are the memories that
we have of Traine Williamson, and I'm sure we got
time to talk about those in future editions of the podcast,
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but we run out of time talking cricket too often,
and it's nice to be able to reflect on those things.
But Jerry, you're having a good relaxing time butt of
family time in the UK, and I hope you're enjoying
it after that Test series because that was quite demanding.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Yeah, make sure it's busy. It's busy, but a very
very pleasing kind of had always when you and I
you know as well, when you're away from home and
you're able to come from behind the way that the
New Zealand team did in the calm kind of way
and playing perhaps with not their best side in the
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last Testament, and so that was a terrific effort from them.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
We tend to forget too often the results of those series,
and you know, you move from one series to another
and off from England to the West Indies to enjoy
the Caribbean sunshine or rain, I don't know, but you know,
beating England and England during reflection on that, and you
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reflected on it last week having been a winner in England.
It's a big result for New Zealand cricketer and a
memorable result, isn't it is?
Speaker 2 (32:57):
And the manner in which it was achieved Brian on
an awful pitch at Lord's. Really that was just a
shootout and we lost the toss and and our best
bowler could only bowl four overs in the first day
with the backspasm, Matt Henry. So things didn't quite go
for us at times. But they decide as a whole
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were able to stick together and in the end calmly
and and and yet confidently went about their business while
other things were going on and the other team, and
they didn't affect the New Zealanders at all. They just
went about it and you know, some brilliant innings. So
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we found we found Smith didn't we as a bowler
as well, so that was great.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Anyway, Nichols at number three as well.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Well, absolutely, it was kind of forgotten in the midst
of all those things that Kane Williamson had actually retired
in the in the series. Yeah, well there you go.
We're not starting the pot again, was mate. That's been
actually you talk about Caribbean sun, it's been quite hot here,
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you know, thirty three, thirty four, that kind of temperatures
and you know the Poms you see them wading around
in fountains in the middle of London, swimming and things
like that in their clothes. Anyway, we reached nine today.
Oh well take it easy, fellas you know, put your
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short on.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Reckon most outstanding from New Zealand. They were calm, they
were killed, they were they were a collective team, contributions
across the Board's got to be very proud of that, and.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
I look forward to the.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
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Speaker 3 (00:20):
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Speaker 1 (00:36):
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Speaker 3 (00:45):
Hello, the Test Series is over in England, but we're
still on the front foot and the black Cats are
heading to the West Indies, their first game about to begin,
one of five. Odie I's so no risk for some
of the Test squad. The women's Tea twenty final Australia
too strong for England. What's needed now to try and
look the Whitebirds to somewhere near competing. Is the McCullum
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future still a MAJORISI or is it still raging in
the UK? Or has the issue died down a little bit?
Ben Stokes hasn't remained quiet. Second, he said after he
was brought to bear by the ICC Integrity Committee. Now
I think we should have a reflection on Caine Williamson.
We didn't get a chance to farewell Cane Williamson when
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he retired and some of the fine memories that he
has produced. Jerry Coney is still around the UK. Jeremy,
what what's going on with Stokes and McCullum is it?
Is it gone quite there because of the the Women's
final and the ODIs or the Tea twenties they're playing
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against India at the moment.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Yeah, that seems to be the feeling. I have that
and get to you and the Moose. Look it is that.
It's just that other things have replaced it at the moment.
I don't think for any step that it is the
end of that issue at all. I think that there's
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a lot to be played out in that scenario and
maybe we could talk about that a bit more at
length sometime. So yeah, it's just on hold. You're right,
that's what it is.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
I don't know if you've been watching the t twenties Moose,
but England have been giving the Indians supposedly the home
of Tea twenty cricket now a real old pasting after
Ireland did the same thing. It almost looks as it's
a salvation for McCallum, who is smiling once again because
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England are willing.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Taking take India out of out of India, and yeah,
things don't look quite the same. It's not a bad
side that England have got just by the way Archer
and tongue producer, very good performances, very quick. This guy
Phil Saltz seems to be pretty good Brooks. I mean,
the guy can play and clearly as a future leader.
(03:19):
So there's a pretty good team that they're pulled together
and that will save McCallum for our time being. But
here's my smokie if you like, I think Alex Stewart
is someone that they will want to bring and they
want to bring in a Brett because they love all
of that and McCullum's time. Will I if he gets
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through to Pakistan series in late late August September, I
will be surprised because there are forces at play that
will I think inevitably bring his down. And yeah, and
for reasons which we all kind of understand. And it's frankly,
if I'm an English supporter, I think I'm looking for
(04:04):
some change and they want to go to Alex Stewart
seems to have done a brilliant job with Surrey. Yeah,
they get big crowds. They and Jerry will know this
because I think you've been involved with that. They have
been a very successful county side and I think being
(04:25):
a Brett X Test player brings respect, very calm individual
so that would be where I'm thinking. So it hasn't
got a way and that's where I think they go.
I believe he has a good relationship with Rob Kee,
Rob keymate keeper's job, but McCallum may and up being
showing the door is the mooset tip.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
How do you read it, Jerry Well, I think.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
I mean Alex Stewart's name has been mentioned perhaps more
rather than in the coaching role more because he's a
very very fine organizer behind the scenes. Certainly he does
a bit of coaching as well, and he was the
one who used to I used to see training folks
every day that they would have their routine that they
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would go with before they played their four day games.
So he's seen out in the middle as well. But
it's the organization that he does behind the scenes, getting players,
who's next, where do we plan to go now? And
those kinds of issues, and he's he has his huge
whiteboards in his room and they're all very organized and
(05:34):
so on, so he would be something to add to
that group that we've always recognized keyan McCullum as big ideas.
We got the ideas fellas and then there, and McCullum
is quite persuasive when he's actually putting them forward. But
when it comes to the detail like ordering the whacker
(05:54):
a year before so that you've got it there right beside.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
The ground route, that's so true.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Planning those kinds of issues they do not do and
so and that's really what they certainly need. And you
can't say, well, that's they're just not those sorts of people.
That's part of your job. And personally, I think the
things that have been happening here the oppressive silence once
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that incident had occurred, and I mean McCullum could have
easily come out and said and it lasted for nine
or ten days between because the first test is, you know,
guys that welcome Matt that they put out law at
Lord's in the form of a wicket which was practically unplayable,
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and England won, of course, and things were looking up
suddenly for McCullum and Key in particular, and it looks
like they might might even sort of get away with it,
but you know they were pointing it as the as
the start of the reboot, for the mark of the
team improvement, and they took the credit for that, of course.
(07:13):
And it seems over here that you know, there's a
strong element in the modern game where jobs and policies
out on the field of play actually a kind of
secondary to the way that it looks and plays out
in the media. It's not enough to play well, but
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you've got to make sure the media follow and they
reflect the line of thinking and the supporting that what
Key and McCullum are presenting. You know, but nine days
it took just silence while they reckon that regulator was
sort of looking at McCullum. Could have come out, couldn't
he There's nothing in it fellas this incident, you know,
(07:57):
there's nothing to see here. Stokes was outside, Atkinson didn't
know the curfew. He was not in Sri Lanka when
it was sort of it was in place. Yes, it
doesn't look great, but equally Stokes and Atkins and you
know they were unwinding after a Test win. But he
didn't he didn't say anything. In other words, that the people. Yeah,
(08:20):
he could have said the test is over, the curfew
doesn't apply, it's player time. That's not news and.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Let's move on.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah, Stokes is having a smoke outside, that's not news.
The ECA security guard was hit. That's unfortunate, but that
can happen. But it's not news. But no one did that.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
I guess he didn't want to own up to having
a smoke. That might have been the crime that have
the cutout, but it will, it will sharpen the future.
They've got a decision to make. There's not much we
can talk about the black Caps, who are heading to
the West Indies and starting an ode I series. The
one thing that.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
Oh, of course most I thought to myself, Guyana jury
have been there, hot, sweaty and muggie. So I looked
up rainy season in Guyana. It's peak rainy season right now.
So how many games we're going to get? We go
to Barbados for the last couple Well, I think that
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should be fine, but that and I thought, this is
not the time of year ago you go to the
West Indies. Anyway, we're there, so I don't know how
much cricket we're going to get. Interesting that revenge has
got to carve out to come play MLC. Question mark
on that?
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yes, Now what do you guys, what do you guys
think of that? Should he be able to do that?
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Pick and choose? And I don't think he's hit that
right yes yet because he tell you what, he was
dodgy in that test series, couldn't field. Yeah, yeah, there
were question marks around him. And to pick and choose
on that, that's for your really elite players. And look, okay,
you're a damn fine player, Revenger, but you haven't proven yourself.
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I'm I'm scarchy on that one.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Got to say, yeah, interesting one. I guess it's a
challenge to see where we're at with the one day
game because the West Indies are pretty good at home,
aren't they? In terms of their white balls? Look at
their test team. Their test team has done a pretty
useful job over Sri Lanka and there's been a lot
of runs scored. But it's a totally different side that's
going to play Odie Eyes. But we've got a lot
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of new boys in there, and you mentioned Ravendra not
being there. Conway has been allowed to come home for
family reasons and that's fine and It's not a full
frontline Odie Ice squad as far as I see it,
but it's an indication of where they're looking for future
games and ODII World Cup jury.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
I look at this as a pretty interesting side. I
think it's actually part of growing your depth, you know.
I'm liking the fact that Foxcroft is there. I like
the fact that, oh yeah, this Christian Clark who they
seem to be putting a fair bit of faith. And
we've still got Nichols and Mitchell and Will Young, and
I love the fact that Michael Brace was back. I
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think it's it's got the makings of what the future
is going to look like here with Revenge of perhaps
coming back in a later point. And it's fair enough
to let O'Rourke, Jamison and Henry and Technical for that matter,
who's who's got to ensudio? I think let them all
recover because very important to us in coming forward. Give
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them a break, very very important.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah, I mean there's a little bit of a thought
about who will be in the top top three, isn't there?
Young will be there. I guess you've got Nichols to
throw in at that point. You've got I mean, Chapman
and well, Latham will probably come in at five, won't he. Yeah.
I would have thought Mitchell would have been a sort
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of a shoe. And for number four, you've got Chapman
around that area as well, haven't you. So they've got
a little bit of cover there. And they got Nick
Kelly of course in the top three as well, haven't you.
You've got some cover. But that's an important part of
the game, isn't it. That powerplay? How in New Zealand
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going to approach that? I mean just generally not even
talking about the conditions and the other the opposition they've
they've got to confront that issue and how are we
going to go about it? The next thing is is
sort of that middle order part you've got You've got Mitchell,
you've got Latham, and at six you might have Bracewell,
and you've also got around that area you've got Foxcroft,
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haven't you. Yeah. And then you get to sort of
seven and you're starting to think about Santana down there,
Santa and Smith. That's sort of seven, seven and eight
or are they eight and nine? And then you've got
a youngish kind of bowling attack, two guys who are settled.
Now it seems much more in terms of Smith and
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in terms of Duffy coming back. I hope Duffy isn't
going to forget his red ball game. I hope that's
not a sign for this, really, I'm sure it's not.
Those two are will be the first selected, I think,
and then it's Christian Clark and Fisher, isn't it. And
then Listeners come in as well. So they've got those
other three to fit in around that. So the spin
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looks I think quite strong, Santana, Bracewell and Lenox, isn't
it yep. And then you've got your seamers which I've
just mentioned and the Batsman. It is a slightly younger
side and components in part, but that's okay. The West
Indians the usually as you say, it was quite hard
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to beat there. They've got pretty much the same side
that came over here. They were more competitive I think
in the t twenties than they were in the ODIs
when they played over here. That was in November. We're
look at the times we're playing we're talking about rain
there and look at the time we played them when
they were here in November, and we haven't got that
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many Odie eyes. Have we watched between now and the.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Only Test Matches Championship, Yeah, exactly, and the World Test
Championship games as well. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
So we've got, as you say, most Georgetown Providence where
they're playing three games, and I think you're right. They
played the last couple bedos. Their batting looks pretty similar
as it was in New Zealand, so I hope will
be there number four the wicket keeper. And then they've
got Campbell and Carti and Chack Chase as a key man,
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and Gray Graves is a key man, isn't he Chaffeine Rutherford?
And in the bowl the bowling will be quite strong.
They're seemas Jaden Seals Shama Joseph Alzari Joseph, you know.
And then they've got a right armor from Guyana kim
O Paul, and then there's spin that there's the good
(15:10):
Akish Moti, isn't it left armor, And they've got this
new guy who's a left arm legue. I haven't heard
of him before. Chap called laws Vitel laws. So we'll
wait and see whether you know how they go. I
think we're kind of the measure of them, but they
could be nice close games. And very good for the
young uns to be part of.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Yeah, very much the developmental stage for our only eye side.
And there are players, as you say, who would probably
normally be there but because of various situations aren't so
a chance to have a look at some of the
newer players.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Brian Waddell, Jeremy Coney on the front foot.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
I got to say I enjoyed the women's T twenty final.
The Ossies are too good, They're too strong. England have
made an improvement, but they were basically blind off the park.
You know, they scored one hundred and fifty odd, but
you know, Litchfield and Mooney did an outstanding job with
the bat and it left us with a feeling of
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where are the white ferns going to improve? To manage
to compete consistently? What's it going to take? I mean,
I don't know whether you guys watched it, but boy,
a good old, a good old full house at Lord's
and you know then things were.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
Normal.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Transmission was was maintaining, wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Look I saw I saw part of that final lodge.
I missed a little bit of the England batting. I
saw the end with Siver Brunt was struggling a little bit,
and the commentators were kind of saying, oh, this is
quite a tough pitch in sort of hopeful tones. And
it just changed, didn't it as soon as Australia came
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out right from the first ball actually, which was smashed
with Dean Bold instead of Lindsey, an off spinner instead
of the left armor came in first and just smashed
it for four over the top and you just leg side,
but nice and straight. But the full face of the
bat said there, that's what we're going to be doing
to you. And they just continued at a pace, at
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a speed and at skills, not only going down the
pictures we're all accustomed to seeing, to challenge length and
win that battle which you're always facing the game of cricket,
but also giving their stumps away by shimming to the
leg side and say, you bowl out there, but if
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you don't get your length right, I can cut you
and attack square of the wicket, and then if you
bowl a little bit wider than that, I'm ready to
chase you out there and I'll whack you on the
leg side and cut you through. You know. They just
had such a wide range of strokes my word that
that young girl was I think it was? Was it Litchfield?
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Man? Can she play the timing and the range of
shots and accessing parts of the field. The England bowlers
had no idea their quick bowl of bells. Struggled. She
bowled one off the cut surface, didn't she? You know?
Eckleton sort of pulled it back a little bit. Miss struggled,
(18:36):
She missed her links, She didn't know what the lichfield
was just too good for them, and so was Mooney.
So they basically they fell short with the bat England.
They were placed under huge pressure, but from Mooney and
Litchfield to two left handers and they basically were winning
the game and just one team vastly superior than another.
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What it means for other teams is, by hell, what
are we going to do? You know? How do you
close the gap? Well?
Speaker 3 (19:06):
The interesting the interesting thing is not so much about
the other teams. What is New Zealand going to do?
Because they are defending champions and they didn't even make
the semifinals and basically their quality of performance was poor.
Where do they need to make a change. How are
they going to make the change to be competitive? We
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don't expect them to win everything outright, but I think
we have an expectation that they'll be challenging for a
semi final birth.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Jerry, Well, you'd like to think so odds, but we
are going to have to go back to the drawing board,
aren't we. I mean, right from moving movement in the field,
chasing getting to a ball, not just that turning ones
into twos.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
You know that aggressive running.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Well, we didn't do that. We almost lost a game
and won, and we should really have lost to Art
was at Ireland. They were only four down or something
like that. We could have easily lost that game. But
I mean, we've just got to move better, quicker, more accurately.
So we need someone in that in that group, I think,
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who can you know, look at that? That's a first
because you no one really notices it until you suddenly
see a team that's slow in the park, that's not
stopping boundaries, that isn't getting to catch us. You know,
it's a small margin, fellas, isn't it. Sometimes you dive,
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you miss it by an inch, it goes for four.
And you know, if you were quicker, you'd stop that
and you'd save two or you'd save three. And so
those things matter, and so I think movement, I think catching. Obviously,
you know we can't.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
That was one of the big problems.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
It can't get to a total and then drops six
and seven catches and hope that wind so and then
the batting nods we've talked about before is trying to
play both sides of the field, not just one. We
often get hockey girls who come through from hockey to
play cricket and they want to and that's fabulous, but
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we've also got to be able to keep the shape
of the body so that you can play on the
off side. Not the short ones, not the ones that
you can cut because that's an easier stroke. I'm thinking
about drives through extra cover over the top of mid off,
which is off and up and long honor is the
one that's put back early on in the power play.
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But you can hit it over mid off, especially someone
like Lindsay Smith. He just comes in little drifters to you.
That's just a little shimmy inside the ball. Drive over
the top of mid off four runs, you know, and
that's not a risky shot. So we need to do that.
So there's a whole range of things there wads. I've
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covered quite a few, but they're very basic things. Now,
whether that means change to the players, whether it means
changes to the coaching, or whether it means changes a
bit more money here and there, I don't know. But
at the moment, I'm afraid the girls aren't quite earning
their doll are they.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
No, they're notice most You've had a chance to reflect
on some of that, and you know, I mean we've
talked about it in previous programs. They are not making
progress the New Zealand women's team, are they? They are
treading water pretty much.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
We got Diard lucky because South Africa put Australia out
in the previous twenty twenty and then we beat South Africa.
But great they got it. And the names on the
trophy that said, I just see this enormous golf, and
I mean the fact that England got flogged like they
did by Australia. And I thought England played some really
(22:57):
good cricket and I love the way a lot of
their players play. I love their keeper. She can bat well,
she just as a keeper. She looked great competitor. Our
keeper who looks I don't want to be mean, but.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Not cutting it frankly, Yeah, and that's one of the
things that they have to look for in the future,
and we will endeavor to get some reaction in terms
of the women's side, but they are very reluctant to
talk about the negatives. They want to look at the
posites and that's fine. I don't have a problem with that.
(23:33):
But you've got to face up to the fact that
you're not basically able to achieve the level of performance
that we expect or that they would expect from themselves
as well. There must be major disappointment and we'll look
at that at a future occasion.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
On the front foot with Waddle and Cody.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Just want to finished this week by talking about Cain Williamson.
We didn't get a chance to talk much about him
in terms of some of the performances. I mean, he
had a long career. You've only got to look at
what he achieved. I mean he scored nineteen thousand, three
hundred and forty six international runs, nine five hundred test matches,
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seven thousand, two hundred in ODIs and two and a
half thousand in international T twenty matches. Some of your memories, Jerry,
what do you remember from Caine Williamson. Any special innings
that struck you.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Of course, Brian. I mean, and I've kind of just
so many of them really, some of them attacking innings
where New Zealand are behind and he takes the team
into a point where they can potentially declare and push on.
There was that match in Bridgetown where I think he
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got you know, New Zealand were behind in the first innings, yes,
and he got one hundred and sixty odd and you
know they were sixty odd for three in the second
innings and he just pushed the lead up to three
hundred and I think maybe Brendan McCullum was captain then,
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might have been two thousand and I don't know, thirteen
fourteen somewhere there, and McCullum was able to declare and
New Zealand ended up winning that series two to one.
People like Rutherford Hamosh Rutherford was in that team and
Nichham Mark Craig was the spinner. Wasn't he Bolt Wagoner?
So that's certainly an innings where he got that one
(25:41):
hundred and sixty. I'll give you a quick one where
he's saved New Zealand where we were playing at Wellington
against an attack South Africa. Again. Yeah, more name Morcal
Philander Stain, Marchan de longee. Doermany not used. Doermany not
used at all because it was a seamer's wicket and
(26:02):
needing to bat out that last day, weren't they New
Zealand were eighty for five and he was hit several times.
He was dropped once, I think, but that's right, but
you know he batted out the day and the New
Zealand attack just interestingly enough, fellas was Chris Martin, Doug
Bracewl and Mark Gillespie. So and he got one hundred
(26:27):
and two I think in that inning's not out to
see New Zealand home. What about the one in christ
Church where they went off the last Ballfellers, we're playing
against Sri Lanka and were chasing I guess about two
hundred and ninety or something like that in seventy overs,
so they were over fours and while they were two
(26:48):
hundred and thirty for three chasing this, you know, two
eighty two ninety, they then lost five wickets quite quickly
and suddenly it was a tight match, wasn't it? Overs
versus clock versus wickets? And in the dying moments. I
think there was only Blair ticking at to that and
(27:10):
the wind came from the final ball, wasn't it that?
Neil Wagoner And and I do remember Williamson diving in
at the non striker's end and yeah, one hundred and
whatever he got there, I can't quite remember, but I
do remember that match quite an exciting match. Yeah, one
where he showed his ability for spin wards. It was
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at Bangladesh and Siliette on a turning track. The Bangladesh
people only had one seema, you know, Shoofel who's still
there at the moment, but he kept in news. He
got about one hundred and five or whatever. But brilliant
work with seeing links moving down the pitch if it
(27:55):
was a bit short cutting. You know. They had Taijel,
I don't know whether you remember him. They had made,
they had Hassan, they had Nominal, you know, and they
won the game because he was out l b W
early in the second and New Zealand fell apart. So
those are some I would just like to remember. Just
one and last innings was wasn't a Test inings Actually
(28:17):
it was a T twenty innings and we don't really
think of Caine so much in those terms, do we.
But it was in that final against the Australians. It
must have been in Dubai, I think. And it was
a not a very good, not a very good series
because the conditions ruined it, are we But if you
lost the toss, you were forced to bat first in
(28:39):
the dry weather and it turned and it gripped, and
people like Hazel would were very difficult to play. But
Kane Williamson took Mitchell Stark down. You know, he ended
a Stark ended up with four overs for sixty and
Williamson got eighty five. I think off about forty balls
(29:02):
and just to show the sheert skill he had at times,
so he could play different ways.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
As what I'm saying, Yes, indeed, most what are your
memories of Williamson?
Speaker 4 (29:13):
When this topic came up? He did some research, you know,
surprises you, I know. But I just think the colossal
scale of what he did across across he was such
a long period of time and the consistency of it
(29:33):
is his in and of itself, is remarkable. So you've
just got to your hats off to him when I
when I look and think about him, the way he
carried I think carried and there were other good players
in it. And the nineteen in twenty nineteen One day International,
the World Cup, which will be we drew hide, shall
(29:59):
we say, with England. Let's not forget that. I thought
he was fabulous all through that period. He played for
Normal Learnings against India in the in the semi final.
He batted phenomenally all through that period and I think
and he was awarded Player of the of the World Cup.
That to me was when he was at his absolute peak.
(30:21):
He was in control of the very test matches play
one days and twenty twenties. Look one of our greats.
And I'm not going to pick pick winners here, but
he he's an hospital. He's he's great that we've actually
had him played for us simple.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
And gave us some Yeah. And you talk about the
twenty nineteen World Cup, the one hundred he got against
South Africa.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Interesting, that was the one through.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Yeah, that was that was an innings and a half
and hundreds don't always make it. But just a quick
mention too, of the World Test Championship. He got half
centuries I think in one or other of the innings,
but only the thirties, forties fifties, but being at the
crease with Ross Taylor to in that game I think
was suitable memory for both those players for their contribution
(31:12):
to the side, and they won the World Test Championship
and they did it with peak performances, not swashbuckling hundreds
like we saw at Perth from both of them, but
on that occasion, you know, they are the memories that
we have of Traine Williamson, and I'm sure we got
time to talk about those in future editions of the podcast,
(31:35):
but we run out of time talking cricket too often,
and it's nice to be able to reflect on those things.
But Jerry, you're having a good relaxing time butt of
family time in the UK, and I hope you're enjoying
it after that Test series because that was quite demanding.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Yeah, make sure it's busy. It's busy, but a very
very pleasing kind of had always when you and I
you know as well, when you're away from home and
you're able to come from behind the way that the
New Zealand team did in the calm kind of way
and playing perhaps with not their best side in the
(32:19):
last Testament, and so that was a terrific effort from them.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
We tend to forget too often the results of those series,
and you know, you move from one series to another
and off from England to the West Indies to enjoy
the Caribbean sunshine or rain, I don't know, but you know,
beating England and England during reflection on that, and you
(32:46):
reflected on it last week having been a winner in England.
It's a big result for New Zealand cricketer and a
memorable result, isn't it is?
Speaker 2 (32:57):
And the manner in which it was achieved Brian on
an awful pitch at Lord's. Really that was just a
shootout and we lost the toss and and our best
bowler could only bowl four overs in the first day
with the backspasm, Matt Henry. So things didn't quite go
for us at times. But they decide as a whole
(33:21):
were able to stick together and in the end calmly
and and and yet confidently went about their business while
other things were going on and the other team, and
they didn't affect the New Zealanders at all. They just
went about it and you know, some brilliant innings. So
(33:41):
we found we found Smith didn't we as a bowler
as well, so that was great.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Anyway, Nichols at number three as well.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Well, absolutely, it was kind of forgotten in the midst
of all those things that Kane Williamson had actually retired
in the in the series. Yeah, well there you go.
We're not starting the pot again, was mate. That's been
actually you talk about Caribbean sun, it's been quite hot here,
(34:12):
you know, thirty three, thirty four, that kind of temperatures
and you know the Poms you see them wading around
in fountains in the middle of London, swimming and things
like that in their clothes. Anyway, we reached nine today.
Oh well take it easy, fellas you know, put your
(34:34):
short on.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Reckon most outstanding from New Zealand. They were calm, they
were killed, they were they were a collective team, contributions
across the Board's got to be very proud of that, and.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
I look forward to the.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
Coming months tesseries coming up. The hops to we talked
about the Picture of a.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Summer.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
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