June 27, 2026 • 13 mins
ACT has announced its plans to radically downsize Government departments, and bring fairness back into our benefit-system.
Firstly: They're making medical certification for health-related benefits mandatory, and only issued by MSD-approved doctors with objective criteria rather than a leaving it to a GP's discretion.
Secondly: Those on the Jobseeker benefit for more than four months will be given an electronic payment card that's only designated for essentials like groceries and rent.
Lastly: They want to cut the 43 Government departments into 19, and drop the number of portfolio ministers from 28 to 18.
ACT Party Leader David Seymour joins the Weekend Collective to unpack the party's ambitions.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
You're listening to the Weekend Collective podcast from News Talks
EDB Politics Central.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
So Yes, ACT has its AGM it's rally today. It's
announced plans to downsize government departments and bringing fairness back
into the benefit system. Firstly, they're making medical certification for
health related benefits mandatory and only issued by MSD approved
doctors with objective criteria, rather than leaving it to a
GP's discretion, so reassessment will we'll begin with mental health
(00:35):
related grants, etc. Secondly, those on a job seeker benefit
for more than four months will be given an electronic
payment card that's only designated for essentials like groceries and rent.
And Lastly, they want to cut something that's consistent with
a lot of the rhetoric over this term as well.
They want to cut the forty three government departments into
nineteen and drop the number of portfolio ministers from twenty
(00:56):
eight to eighteen, so each department would report to one
minister for its budget and outcomes. Anyway, as I say,
they're into it today with the AGM and their rally,
so here to unpack the party's ambitions and policy announcement.
We're joined by ACT party leader David Seymour, Good.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Afternoon, Good afternoon, term.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
So your a GM and a bit of a rallying
the troops. So what's the vibe today.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Well, it's very upbeat. It's the kind of rally the
likes of which no one's seen in New Zealand. You'll
see a stage that actually is completely surrounded by people
sitting in bleaches and it's going to be very interactive.
So we're looking forward to it. The only regret we
have is it's a stunning day in Auckland. If we'd
known the weather was going to be like this, we
(01:40):
would have shared you a little in other days.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Ah, I would have thought of fine days, great for
the vibe. Anyway, Now let's tick. First things off, the
new deputy leader Nicole McKee. Tell us about your take
on what she brings to the party.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Look, I first saw Nicole standing up for licensed firearm
owners in the wake of our nation's tragedy in christ Church.
That was a terrible tragedy, but the way that two
hundred and fifty thousand licensed fire our owners were blamed,
I thought was disgraceful. And I saw a woman who
was fearless, principled and ultimately compassionate, because she was trying
(02:20):
to say, we have great sympathy for what has occurred,
but we're not going to solve the problem or make
people safer this way. I called her up, who managed
to persuade her to stand for Parliament for Act, which
at that time had only one MP and everybody had
written off. Of course, we grew a bit that election
to ten MPs and since then I've watched her blossom.
(02:41):
You watch her take on anti money laundering as Associate
Justice Minister, the alcohol laws. She's the Minister of Courts,
where they've managed to get people through court twenty percent
faster thanks to her changes. So she's become a total operator.
Having started with one issue, she's shown that her principles
can extend to many. We're really proud to have her
(03:02):
as our deputy leader.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I guess she's obviously going to need to show more
than the firearms side, and in terms of that is
a kind of a contentious portfolio, isn't it. How do
you sort of soften thing? Does she need to soften
things up in a way the way she presents to
the public or anything. What's your take on that?
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Well, first of all, if you look at the reason
that Nicole started hunting. It's because she had become too
difficult to play netball after having a fourth baby, and
she said she needed something else to actually feed her
family while her husband decided a midlife to do a
law degree instead of being a builder. So she found
(03:43):
herself in this position. She actually started hunting venison in
part because it was very expensive to have meat. That
tells you a bit about who she is and why
she does what she does. She's adapted throughout your life
and in her political career, as I say, whether it's
Minister of Courts, whether it's the anti money laundering for
(04:03):
small business, you'll see that she's actually very adaptable. The
firearms thing has been an opportunity for her to show
her principle and compassion. But only one thing she's done
in her life.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Yeah, as you part of today's rhetoric and everything it
seems to be about locking labor out. Is it just
labor which is the scariest part of that sort of
potential government to.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
You, Well, labor are just cynical. They seem to believe
that we've all given up as a country and we're
actually ready to accept that some discount bus spares and
a few free doctors visits you probably won't get an
appointment for anyway, are enough to win an election. That's
their lack of ambition and their cynicism when it comes
(04:45):
to this country. But it's true that their outriders to
party Maori and the Greens to the extent that they
end up with influence, will take us further backwards to
the rhetoric of division by race, arguing about who got
you when. And then there's this issue of the Greens
their basic messages, Look, you know your problems are caused
by someone else success, so don't ask what you can
(05:07):
do in your own life, Blame someone else. If you
vote for us, we'll tax them and take the money
and give it to you. That's got to be the
most dismal if labor a cynical. The Greens at dismal act,
on the other hand, as campaigning to unlock New Zealand's potential.
There are three locks on our potential as a country.
One is bloated government that sucks up too much money
(05:28):
and basically puts a literal tax on people's efforts in
their reward. Then there's red tape and regulation, which means
people spend more time arranging work than actually doing it.
We've had some success in reducing that. We need to
go further and faster. And then there's identity politics, where
we spend so much time arguing about our differences and
who got here when, when in reality we are all
(05:51):
pioneering people, all of us or our ancestors. It took
the journey to be New Zealanders. We should celebrate at
the pioneering heritage we have in common rather than constantly
looking for differences. If you're going to overcome bloated government,
red tape and identity politics, then our potential is limited
as our greatest New Zealand to ed Hillary once said,
(06:11):
you know, it's not the mountain we conquer, but ourselves
in New Zealand needs to overcome the limits that we've
put on ourselves through bad policy.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
It's quite a big mountain to climb. Actually, the identity politics,
isn't it.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Well, you know what, We've got a four hundred year
history of fighting against slavery, fighting against sexism, equal rights
for women, fighting against homophobia, equal rights for people have
a different sexuality, fighting against religious persecution. You know, you
have whatever religion you want. Actually, the story of the
(06:44):
last four hundred years is a success story where we
have celebrated the universal humanity and the potential in each individual,
regardless of their super official characteristics. That is still the
dominant story. Identity politics as a wrinkle in the road
that has held us back, frustrated a lot of people,
created a lot of hate, but it's not our long
(07:05):
term future and the ACT parties here to see to it.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Does today mark a change and momentum Now we're heading
towards the election, we expect that would we expect to
see a different vibe if I can put it that
way from the ACT Party.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Well, not that we're counting, but it's one hundred and
thirty two days today and it's fair to say that
the ACT Party ministers have been scandal free, had our
heads down and made a huge amount of change for
small business, for farmers, for landlords, for taxpayers, you know,
you name it. We've been out there cutting the tape,
cut and government waste and enforcing that idea of one
(07:42):
law for all in one future together and we've been
doing the work. We have not been out making a
lot of noise, creat and disruptions or otherwise trying to
point the finger at anyone or ourselves for that matter.
Over the next one hundred and thirty two days, you
will see us making the case to people. But if
you want to lock labor out the ACT Party, we're
(08:04):
not labor, We've never worked with labor, and we're not
labor light. So if you don't PACT, you're not just
locking up labor, you're locking up their ideas. And maybe,
just maybe you're unlocking New Zealand's potential against those three
lots that have held us back.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
I guess I was thinking about the elephant in the Roman.
Tims of New Zealand first have been to have been
in campaign mode for quite a while. How do you
guys sees? You know, you can point to achievements and things,
but how do you actually seize the narrative from here
on to the election?
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Well, pointing to achievements is pretty useful. If you are,
for example, the landlord, you're basically persecuted. We've reduced taxes,
we've made taxes fear, we have rebalanced the Residential Tenantcies
Act so that you actually have some rights if you
own the house. And as a result of landlords having
a fear of time we've actually seen rents come down,
(08:54):
so it's been good for tenants too. If you're in
small business, you watch Book von Walden sorting out the
Holidays Act that never has been before. You see the
health and safety laws, you see the flament All changes
that she's making. That is huge if you're in small business.
If you're a farmer, you know we had real champions
and Mark Cameron and Andrew Hogart and the proof is
those methane targets being half so people can keep on farming.
(09:19):
I've even got to the Resource Management Act or anything
I've done with FARMAC or charter schools or the red
Tape Ministry. You know, we could go on all day,
but the thing is Act actually has the courage to
deliver and we're quite happy to run on our record
in government on the basis that we need a bit
more of it, whereas some of our competitors and rivals,
(09:40):
you know, they make a lot of noise, but what
if they actually done.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
On the election front on do you think that the
New Zealand public and maybe the media need to learn
that there's a big difference between being in coalition government
and campaigning for your for a bigger share of the vote,
which includes having a crack at your coalition partners.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Well, we have to decide what we're presenting to the
people we would like to to support us. A lot
of people out there right now looking at that saying
I'm open to ACTS, I'm not sure how I'm voting.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Is.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Our pitch to them is that we are different, but
we're also team plans. So do we get everything we want? No,
of course. I finally think the government's still employing so
many aureaucrats and spending so much money that wasn't any
ideeraic and assure you. On the other hand, we estimate
there's been about fourteen billion dollars worth of savings made
by ACTS ministers. So we can work with the other
(10:33):
guys and we have our own distinctive achievements. I think
that that is a good pitch to people thinking about
voting ACT. We can keep labor out, we can work
with our colleagues, and we can make our own distinctive
differences for a free in New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
And I think particular policy wise that you'd like people
to take away from today.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Yeah, Look, we've got to have a smaller and more
efficient government. I mean you look at our thirty old
ministers forty departments in Norway they have half that they've
got stain teen departments and eighteen ministers we're going to
campaign or no more than eighteen ministers around the cabinet
table and only nineteen government departments where we're almost going
(11:15):
to have And if you start at the top you
can make New Zealand affordable again.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
When you say you're going to campaign on it, I
guess are you expecting to get those sorts of changes
across in a coalition government or is it more signaling
an intention?
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Well, of course it always depends on how I mean,
if we end up just with three active piece, we're
probably not going to change the world. If we end
up with thirty we definitely will. Whatever we end up with,
we're going to fight like oh for our policies and
our values. And I think the proof is on the
putting with ethans so far. So if you look at
the government now saying that there needs to be a
target a fewer bureaucrat two years too late in our view,
(11:56):
but they've come round to what Act was saying two
years ago. If you look at the plan now to
reduce the number of departments. We've been saying that for
a long time. It's become government a government policy now
to reduce the number of departments over the next three years.
When we started talking about the number of ministers, given
our success, albeit slow at the last two, do you
(12:17):
think we can succeed that this was too I would argue,
we can.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Good stuff. Well, look, have a great day for the
rest of ther day with your AGM and then the
rally for the ACT Party. Thanks for your time.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Hey, thanks ton me have a great day.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
That was at Leader David Seymour and you can text
feedback anytime. We'll do a bit of a I think
there are a couple of questions that popped out of
there for me, by the way, for talkback, which we
will do after we've had a chat with Nicole McKee,
And obviously there'll be some things that will come out
of that interview once we've talked with here. But he
did say something about bloated government, red tape and identity
(12:50):
politics as being the challenges that they really are looking
to overcome. If I heard that right, because I scribbled
a couple of notes and I think it was bloated
government red tape. They sort of go together, don't they,
And an ideal identity politics, which is the biggest challenge,
would actually make the biggest difference in New Zealand if
they got on top of it, Because I got to
say I loathe identity politics. I think it's one of
(13:13):
the things that holds us all back by basically that's
identify people as a certain type of person and then
bag them. But also, if you are supporting ACT, what
is it you're looking for them to achieve? What is
it you like about them? And if you're not supporting them,
what is it that turns you off them?
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty we'll do some
talkback after we've had a chat with the new ACT
Party deputy leader Nicole McKee, which is in just a moment.
It is now twenty four past three.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
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EDB Politics Central.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
So Yes, ACT has its AGM it's rally today. It's
announced plans to downsize government departments and bringing fairness back
into the benefit system. Firstly, they're making medical certification for
health related benefits mandatory and only issued by MSD approved
doctors with objective criteria, rather than leaving it to a
GP's discretion, so reassessment will we'll begin with mental health
(00:35):
related grants, etc. Secondly, those on a job seeker benefit
for more than four months will be given an electronic
payment card that's only designated for essentials like groceries and rent.
And Lastly, they want to cut something that's consistent with
a lot of the rhetoric over this term as well.
They want to cut the forty three government departments into
nineteen and drop the number of portfolio ministers from twenty
(00:56):
eight to eighteen, so each department would report to one
minister for its budget and outcomes. Anyway, as I say,
they're into it today with the AGM and their rally,
so here to unpack the party's ambitions and policy announcement.
We're joined by ACT party leader David Seymour, Good.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Afternoon, Good afternoon, term.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
So your a GM and a bit of a rallying
the troops. So what's the vibe today.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Well, it's very upbeat. It's the kind of rally the
likes of which no one's seen in New Zealand. You'll
see a stage that actually is completely surrounded by people
sitting in bleaches and it's going to be very interactive.
So we're looking forward to it. The only regret we
have is it's a stunning day in Auckland. If we'd
known the weather was going to be like this, we
(01:40):
would have shared you a little in other days.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Ah, I would have thought of fine days, great for
the vibe. Anyway, Now let's tick. First things off, the
new deputy leader Nicole McKee. Tell us about your take
on what she brings to the party.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Look, I first saw Nicole standing up for licensed firearm
owners in the wake of our nation's tragedy in christ Church.
That was a terrible tragedy, but the way that two
hundred and fifty thousand licensed fire our owners were blamed,
I thought was disgraceful. And I saw a woman who
was fearless, principled and ultimately compassionate, because she was trying
(02:20):
to say, we have great sympathy for what has occurred,
but we're not going to solve the problem or make
people safer this way. I called her up, who managed
to persuade her to stand for Parliament for Act, which
at that time had only one MP and everybody had
written off. Of course, we grew a bit that election
to ten MPs and since then I've watched her blossom.
(02:41):
You watch her take on anti money laundering as Associate
Justice Minister, the alcohol laws. She's the Minister of Courts,
where they've managed to get people through court twenty percent
faster thanks to her changes. So she's become a total operator.
Having started with one issue, she's shown that her principles
can extend to many. We're really proud to have her
(03:02):
as our deputy leader.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I guess she's obviously going to need to show more
than the firearms side, and in terms of that is
a kind of a contentious portfolio, isn't it. How do
you sort of soften thing? Does she need to soften
things up in a way the way she presents to
the public or anything. What's your take on that?
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Well, first of all, if you look at the reason
that Nicole started hunting. It's because she had become too
difficult to play netball after having a fourth baby, and
she said she needed something else to actually feed her
family while her husband decided a midlife to do a
law degree instead of being a builder. So she found
(03:43):
herself in this position. She actually started hunting venison in
part because it was very expensive to have meat. That
tells you a bit about who she is and why
she does what she does. She's adapted throughout your life
and in her political career, as I say, whether it's
Minister of Courts, whether it's the anti money laundering for
(04:03):
small business, you'll see that she's actually very adaptable. The
firearms thing has been an opportunity for her to show
her principle and compassion. But only one thing she's done
in her life.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Yeah, as you part of today's rhetoric and everything it
seems to be about locking labor out. Is it just
labor which is the scariest part of that sort of
potential government to.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
You, Well, labor are just cynical. They seem to believe
that we've all given up as a country and we're
actually ready to accept that some discount bus spares and
a few free doctors visits you probably won't get an
appointment for anyway, are enough to win an election. That's
their lack of ambition and their cynicism when it comes
(04:45):
to this country. But it's true that their outriders to
party Maori and the Greens to the extent that they
end up with influence, will take us further backwards to
the rhetoric of division by race, arguing about who got
you when. And then there's this issue of the Greens
their basic messages, Look, you know your problems are caused
by someone else success, so don't ask what you can
(05:07):
do in your own life, Blame someone else. If you
vote for us, we'll tax them and take the money
and give it to you. That's got to be the
most dismal if labor a cynical. The Greens at dismal act,
on the other hand, as campaigning to unlock New Zealand's potential.
There are three locks on our potential as a country.
One is bloated government that sucks up too much money
(05:28):
and basically puts a literal tax on people's efforts in
their reward. Then there's red tape and regulation, which means
people spend more time arranging work than actually doing it.
We've had some success in reducing that. We need to
go further and faster. And then there's identity politics, where
we spend so much time arguing about our differences and
who got here when, when in reality we are all
(05:51):
pioneering people, all of us or our ancestors. It took
the journey to be New Zealanders. We should celebrate at
the pioneering heritage we have in common rather than constantly
looking for differences. If you're going to overcome bloated government,
red tape and identity politics, then our potential is limited
as our greatest New Zealand to ed Hillary once said,
(06:11):
you know, it's not the mountain we conquer, but ourselves
in New Zealand needs to overcome the limits that we've
put on ourselves through bad policy.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
It's quite a big mountain to climb. Actually, the identity politics,
isn't it.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Well, you know what, We've got a four hundred year
history of fighting against slavery, fighting against sexism, equal rights
for women, fighting against homophobia, equal rights for people have
a different sexuality, fighting against religious persecution. You know, you
have whatever religion you want. Actually, the story of the
(06:44):
last four hundred years is a success story where we
have celebrated the universal humanity and the potential in each individual,
regardless of their super official characteristics. That is still the
dominant story. Identity politics as a wrinkle in the road
that has held us back, frustrated a lot of people,
created a lot of hate, but it's not our long
(07:05):
term future and the ACT parties here to see to it.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Does today mark a change and momentum Now we're heading
towards the election, we expect that would we expect to
see a different vibe if I can put it that
way from the ACT Party.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Well, not that we're counting, but it's one hundred and
thirty two days today and it's fair to say that
the ACT Party ministers have been scandal free, had our
heads down and made a huge amount of change for
small business, for farmers, for landlords, for taxpayers, you know,
you name it. We've been out there cutting the tape,
cut and government waste and enforcing that idea of one
(07:42):
law for all in one future together and we've been
doing the work. We have not been out making a
lot of noise, creat and disruptions or otherwise trying to
point the finger at anyone or ourselves for that matter.
Over the next one hundred and thirty two days, you
will see us making the case to people. But if
you want to lock labor out the ACT Party, we're
(08:04):
not labor, We've never worked with labor, and we're not
labor light. So if you don't PACT, you're not just
locking up labor, you're locking up their ideas. And maybe,
just maybe you're unlocking New Zealand's potential against those three
lots that have held us back.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
I guess I was thinking about the elephant in the Roman.
Tims of New Zealand first have been to have been
in campaign mode for quite a while. How do you
guys sees? You know, you can point to achievements and things,
but how do you actually seize the narrative from here
on to the election?
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Well, pointing to achievements is pretty useful. If you are,
for example, the landlord, you're basically persecuted. We've reduced taxes,
we've made taxes fear, we have rebalanced the Residential Tenantcies
Act so that you actually have some rights if you
own the house. And as a result of landlords having
a fear of time we've actually seen rents come down,
(08:54):
so it's been good for tenants too. If you're in
small business, you watch Book von Walden sorting out the
Holidays Act that never has been before. You see the
health and safety laws, you see the flament All changes
that she's making. That is huge if you're in small business.
If you're a farmer, you know we had real champions
and Mark Cameron and Andrew Hogart and the proof is
those methane targets being half so people can keep on farming.
(09:19):
I've even got to the Resource Management Act or anything
I've done with FARMAC or charter schools or the red
Tape Ministry. You know, we could go on all day,
but the thing is Act actually has the courage to
deliver and we're quite happy to run on our record
in government on the basis that we need a bit
more of it, whereas some of our competitors and rivals,
(09:40):
you know, they make a lot of noise, but what
if they actually done.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
On the election front on do you think that the
New Zealand public and maybe the media need to learn
that there's a big difference between being in coalition government
and campaigning for your for a bigger share of the vote,
which includes having a crack at your coalition partners.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Well, we have to decide what we're presenting to the
people we would like to to support us. A lot
of people out there right now looking at that saying
I'm open to ACTS, I'm not sure how I'm voting.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Is.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Our pitch to them is that we are different, but
we're also team plans. So do we get everything we want? No,
of course. I finally think the government's still employing so
many aureaucrats and spending so much money that wasn't any
ideeraic and assure you. On the other hand, we estimate
there's been about fourteen billion dollars worth of savings made
by ACTS ministers. So we can work with the other
(10:33):
guys and we have our own distinctive achievements. I think
that that is a good pitch to people thinking about
voting ACT. We can keep labor out, we can work
with our colleagues, and we can make our own distinctive
differences for a free in New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
And I think particular policy wise that you'd like people
to take away from today.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Yeah, Look, we've got to have a smaller and more
efficient government. I mean you look at our thirty old
ministers forty departments in Norway they have half that they've
got stain teen departments and eighteen ministers we're going to
campaign or no more than eighteen ministers around the cabinet
table and only nineteen government departments where we're almost going
(11:15):
to have And if you start at the top you
can make New Zealand affordable again.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
When you say you're going to campaign on it, I
guess are you expecting to get those sorts of changes
across in a coalition government or is it more signaling
an intention?
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Well, of course it always depends on how I mean,
if we end up just with three active piece, we're
probably not going to change the world. If we end
up with thirty we definitely will. Whatever we end up with,
we're going to fight like oh for our policies and
our values. And I think the proof is on the
putting with ethans so far. So if you look at
the government now saying that there needs to be a
target a fewer bureaucrat two years too late in our view,
(11:56):
but they've come round to what Act was saying two
years ago. If you look at the plan now to
reduce the number of departments. We've been saying that for
a long time. It's become government a government policy now
to reduce the number of departments over the next three years.
When we started talking about the number of ministers, given
our success, albeit slow at the last two, do you
(12:17):
think we can succeed that this was too I would argue,
we can.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Good stuff. Well, look, have a great day for the
rest of ther day with your AGM and then the
rally for the ACT Party. Thanks for your time.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Hey, thanks ton me have a great day.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
That was at Leader David Seymour and you can text
feedback anytime. We'll do a bit of a I think
there are a couple of questions that popped out of
there for me, by the way, for talkback, which we
will do after we've had a chat with Nicole McKee,
And obviously there'll be some things that will come out
of that interview once we've talked with here. But he
did say something about bloated government, red tape and identity
(12:50):
politics as being the challenges that they really are looking
to overcome. If I heard that right, because I scribbled
a couple of notes and I think it was bloated
government red tape. They sort of go together, don't they,
And an ideal identity politics, which is the biggest challenge,
would actually make the biggest difference in New Zealand if
they got on top of it, Because I got to
say I loathe identity politics. I think it's one of
(13:13):
the things that holds us all back by basically that's
identify people as a certain type of person and then
bag them. But also, if you are supporting ACT, what
is it you're looking for them to achieve? What is
it you like about them? And if you're not supporting them,
what is it that turns you off them?
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty we'll do some
talkback after we've had a chat with the new ACT
Party deputy leader Nicole McKee, which is in just a moment.
It is now twenty four past three.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
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