January 31, 2026 • 14 mins
It's Waitangi Day this Friday and after opting to spend the day at a marae in Akaroa last year, this year Christopher Luxon will be in town to meet with iwi.
A recent RNZ-Reid poll found 62% of kiwis think it's important for the prime minister to be in Waitangi for Waitangi Day, but previous PMs have all had different approaches.
Ngapuhi chairperson Mane Tahere joins to preview the week ahead.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
You're listening to the Weekend Collective podcast from News Talk SEDB.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
So yes, as I mentioned, it's White Tangy Day this Friday,
and after opting to spend the day last year at
a Murray and Akaroa last year, Christopher Lux and the
Prime Minister will in fact be in town in the
lead up to White Tangy to meet with EWE. There's
recent r n Z Reed poll found that sixty two
percent of ki Wes think it's important for the Prime
(00:30):
Minister to be in White Tongey Day, to be in
White Tanngy for White Tongy Day. And of course you
know as if you see the news. Over the years,
different pms have had different approaches anyway, to discuss that,
among other things, we're joined by Napui chairperson Money Tahari.
He's with us now, cureda good afternoon.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Tim, Nice to be with you this afternoon.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah, yeah, thank hey, it's actually it's nice to talk
thing talk talk a little bit in advance actually, but
because first question, how long does it take to prepare
for White Tangy Day? Is this something you've been working
on for day? Weeks, months, oh months?
Speaker 3 (01:08):
For sure months? Hopefully we try and get to gather
around November December and then there's many parts of the
cogs to the wheel, so it is all across tribal
preparation time organization. So every year preparations. Yeah, it takes
(01:31):
quite a few months to get prepared, and also recently
the last couple of years as the numbers have swelled,
really having to think carefully about how how we manage
the actual sites White Tonguey Tready Ground. So yeah, quite
a lot of preparation.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Did you much advance notice that the Prime Minister was
going to be attending? And does it make any difference
to how you prepare.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
You have your It's quite a festive week actually, and
it's it's not just the sixth that the festivities take place.
So actually, I'm about to prepare for the porfity for
Ewe Tears this afternoon, so I'll say it's around ten
eleven porfity throughout the week Governor generals. But in terms
of the Prime Minister not not we kind of expect it,
(02:24):
but the last couple of years it's kind of what
we're here, probably a day out or a few days
out his confirmed schedule, but we always prepared.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
How important is it that he's there.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Yeah, it's it's quite important time for especially my eween
apple here. But I guess we're hearing your set around
sixty two percent think it's important for Alfy, it's really important.
It's so opportunity to share and not tricking up. We
actually all of the Ewe Maori, our viewpoints on the
(03:02):
Marai to him, whether it's through ewech is for them
or the many engagements he has. So it's it's a
face to face opportunity. It's a tell Mardi approach to that,
and we're very much preferred and used to soa What.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Do you want to hear from him?
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Well, I think in reflection of the last two years,
it's really going to be a draw down and and
and the real impact of the last two years onto
here with Malory and and we're really the true impacts
of of such such things like treaty principles, billing and
(03:41):
really where where does he see us in the partnership
with Maori, especially for us specifically now for we've been unsettled.
What does the future look like from his perspective in
the nationhood of of of of A in with Maudi
non Malory, Because the last two years really has painted
(04:06):
a picture internally for us. So we have our own
views on that. So I would like to see a
bit of encouragement for what we've always called for, take
the unity and all of those values we hold. So
ye'll be interesting.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
It's always interesting. Are you expecting the usual tensions in
the days that lead up to White Tonguey Day?
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Not as much as probably last year. I guess in
the next couple of days, as many poorphities take place,
that issues will start to shape up and you never
know how much energy it goes into whatever topics. So
we usually do have those who want to express through
protests and that's facilitated through the police and the local hapoo.
(04:54):
So uh, it's yet to be seen.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
I would say, Yeah, what's your what's your personal focus
when it comes to White Tangy Day and for the
day in the up?
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Yeah, well I'm I'm I lead our for are we
all our fully clicktive of my eyes? And so there
is a big always actually a settlement called it all
around what does the biggest tribe settlement look like? And
how are we going in the mandating process? That's that's
forever been going on, especially the last ten twenty years.
(05:29):
So but I've been trying to focus on our everyday challenges,
so what the social the housing, the house, but also
the economic drive, so really trying to drive economic development
was in our region and working with agencies and so
there's a bit of bau and it's a good time
for us to chicken with ministers as they arrive because
(05:53):
a white companies one day in the year, we're still
here when everybody goes. So my focus is service to
our fun They hey.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
How do you see how do you feel when you
see the news around why tongue down the white's represented
in the media compared with the experience that you have
on the ground at the heart of it all.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Yeah, sometimes it's it's disappointing. It tends to be focused
on the political issues of the day and MPs ministers
having their moment. But behind it all, there's just so
much as a hyper activity and festivities like I just
just you walking amongst it. I think last year was
(06:36):
eighty thousand people enjoying white Tomney Water has to offer
the navy the Wakata Wakatoa so it deppeens like on
the sixth and how it's reported it has been getting better,
I think the last couple of years more more more
celebratory type stuff. But you have the odd yea where
(06:57):
it swells in some issues takeover. But where you saw
it up here and I'm really love spending time with
the Muko Puna and Toma Rikiso. It's such a great
place to be and encourage people to come and experience
it themselves.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
How would you describe the relationship between EWI and the
government right now?
Speaker 3 (07:16):
I think it's it's it's it's what's the word challenging,
apprehensive at the moment, but but on on edge about it's.
It's strained, is what I would say, and not to
say that that's we're not We're not willing and we're
(07:37):
always I invited plenty ministers in the Foreign minister to
come and talk to laugh for so we have to
work together. But as challenges come up like that within
the last two years, it does get strained at times.
But I think we're mature as that Ewie two really
has things out and as Ewe Maori, we've got a
(07:57):
lot going for us in any case, every day stuff,
so yeah, it could be better.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Hey, actually, where does the Mari party fit in with
with this the whole scheme of things, because the you know,
there's the relationship between Ewei and and the crown, and
then we have a political party who don't necessarily you know,
Smari would have different views on what they're doing. And
there was a bit of tension last year about them
(08:24):
not wanting to come up for a hue. I think,
where do they fit in in the scheme of things
or would you rather the just butt out and leave
it to Ewee to get on with things.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Well, I think they have a real have had a
real important Uh we know how they came about the
multi party and I suppose what comes with from the
Hecuoy sea bed foreshore quoi what came with it was
somewhat also Tuddy and the Judio and all of the
Elk legacy toward a certain time moment in time that
(08:59):
the dued And so the question is raised, well, is
that fitful purpose for the next round of elections and
so on for the next fifty years or however long.
So we did invite them up to Nuflo for that hui,
and unfortunately they didn't make it. So it is going
(09:19):
to be, I believe, a moment to watch at the
next elections because we were right. We still have a
little bit of hurt us enough for we because money
and minor is our So we support her one hundred percent.
And that's notwithstanding that we know not all En, we
not all maldi vaite for them. But there's there's just
(09:41):
a legacy piece that that we as Maori inherently support
so gruppul opinions aside, Yeah, we did.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
I kind of hear you say that you are you're
going to you're waiting to see whether the Mari Party
are still fit for purpose.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
I think that's the questions that we're raised within our
meeting that we had last year around the intent well
all of all of the strike that was happening within
the multipad. I know, litigate all of it, we know
it all about. Yeah, you've got to ask the question,
is it a vehicle that will take us into the
(10:19):
next elections and given the history and given the whole
they took place, definitely, and and the voters in their
sense will make their choice.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
YEA.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
God, I'd love to dig into that a bit more
about it, won't How you by the way, how are
you guys going with your own treaty claim as you mentioned,
you've got a lot of voices of course talking about
mandates and it feels like something that's never going to happen,
to be honest, but what are your hopes for the
future with regards to napoos settling its own treaty claims?
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Yeah, I mean I say every time someone asked me
it will be settled in five years. That depends on
That depends on the issues of the day and of
Napoi gets passed off in the sense that five years
starts again. So we've gone through like three or four
cycles of five years, but it's definitely active. It comes
(11:12):
active again. I can see we're in a moment of
plenty of engagement taking place out in the regions one
hundred and ten Hapoo's one hundred and nine in Marii.
So it's not an easy feat. But I think the
real thing is time and time again the crown has
to really be genuine what the engagement now if we've
actually listen, because that's what resets that five years to
(11:33):
my mind. So we're talking about it, but in terms
of been an election year, we've been around six thousand
plus years is and have we another three years? Won't
heard or if we have to wait for what we
actually want to talk about and negotiate.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Well, I guess that that's the challenges for you to
all be on the same page, so the crown know
what the challenge is, isn't it. I guess I'm getting
HAPO all of the same well mostly of the same view,
isn't that?
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Oh well, not necessarily there's a waiting a tribun know
of released stage one and two reports which we all
and we had a HULU last year up at white Tongey.
You wouldn't get any help with disagreeing with those outcomes
from those results. So there is some agreement on the
bigger constitution or the boundaries and the clayments is a
(12:24):
bit more of a heavy issue in terms of specific
cupoos in the area, the different towns and areas up
we so that'll take time to work through, but I
think there is there is a definitely more starting point
than we think, well most most people think.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Hey, Lucky, last question, what would you like all New
Zealanders to take away from white Tongey day? What's the
one thing you would hope that they are left with
there as a lasting impression.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
That we've never drawn our attention away from true partnership
with non Maldi and Maldi in the constitution of the
the Copapu trety iNtanga. There's not a scary thing. It's
actually a deeper meaningful thing to Maldi and their Actually
(13:17):
we despite the challenges we we will always be here
and will always commit to working together in their cong
for card or despite the government and Crown coalitions they
come and go. I think just the undermining relationship under
bottom line relationship will always be there and be here
(13:38):
to work together. That's a great starting place and a
great reminder despite the challenges we go through.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yeah, hey Mana, I really appreciate your time this off
and an the best wishes for the preparation and the
lead up to it. And I you know, I hope
you have a great talk a great have a great week.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
No, all right, conky yeah bye bye.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
For more from the Weekend Collective, listen live to News
Talks there'd be weekends from three pm, or follow the
podcast on I Hard Radio and
You're listening to the Weekend Collective podcast from News Talk SEDB.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
So yes, as I mentioned, it's White Tangy Day this Friday,
and after opting to spend the day last year at
a Murray and Akaroa last year, Christopher Lux and the
Prime Minister will in fact be in town in the
lead up to White Tangy to meet with EWE. There's
recent r n Z Reed poll found that sixty two
percent of ki Wes think it's important for the Prime
(00:30):
Minister to be in White Tongey Day, to be in
White Tanngy for White Tongy Day. And of course you
know as if you see the news. Over the years,
different pms have had different approaches anyway, to discuss that,
among other things, we're joined by Napui chairperson Money Tahari.
He's with us now, cureda good afternoon.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Tim, Nice to be with you this afternoon.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah, yeah, thank hey, it's actually it's nice to talk
thing talk talk a little bit in advance actually, but
because first question, how long does it take to prepare
for White Tangy Day? Is this something you've been working
on for day? Weeks, months, oh months?
Speaker 3 (01:08):
For sure months? Hopefully we try and get to gather
around November December and then there's many parts of the
cogs to the wheel, so it is all across tribal
preparation time organization. So every year preparations. Yeah, it takes
(01:31):
quite a few months to get prepared, and also recently
the last couple of years as the numbers have swelled,
really having to think carefully about how how we manage
the actual sites White Tonguey Tready Ground. So yeah, quite
a lot of preparation.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Did you much advance notice that the Prime Minister was
going to be attending? And does it make any difference
to how you prepare.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
You have your It's quite a festive week actually, and
it's it's not just the sixth that the festivities take place.
So actually, I'm about to prepare for the porfity for
Ewe Tears this afternoon, so I'll say it's around ten
eleven porfity throughout the week Governor generals. But in terms
of the Prime Minister not not we kind of expect it,
(02:24):
but the last couple of years it's kind of what
we're here, probably a day out or a few days
out his confirmed schedule, but we always prepared.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
How important is it that he's there.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Yeah, it's it's quite important time for especially my eween
apple here. But I guess we're hearing your set around
sixty two percent think it's important for Alfy, it's really important.
It's so opportunity to share and not tricking up. We
actually all of the Ewe Maori, our viewpoints on the
(03:02):
Marai to him, whether it's through ewech is for them
or the many engagements he has. So it's it's a
face to face opportunity. It's a tell Mardi approach to that,
and we're very much preferred and used to soa What.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Do you want to hear from him?
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Well, I think in reflection of the last two years,
it's really going to be a draw down and and
and the real impact of the last two years onto
here with Malory and and we're really the true impacts
of of such such things like treaty principles, billing and
(03:41):
really where where does he see us in the partnership
with Maori, especially for us specifically now for we've been unsettled.
What does the future look like from his perspective in
the nationhood of of of of A in with Maudi
non Malory, Because the last two years really has painted
(04:06):
a picture internally for us. So we have our own
views on that. So I would like to see a
bit of encouragement for what we've always called for, take
the unity and all of those values we hold. So
ye'll be interesting.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
It's always interesting. Are you expecting the usual tensions in
the days that lead up to White Tonguey Day?
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Not as much as probably last year. I guess in
the next couple of days, as many poorphities take place,
that issues will start to shape up and you never
know how much energy it goes into whatever topics. So
we usually do have those who want to express through
protests and that's facilitated through the police and the local hapoo.
(04:54):
So uh, it's yet to be seen.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
I would say, Yeah, what's your what's your personal focus
when it comes to White Tangy Day and for the
day in the up?
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Yeah, well I'm I'm I lead our for are we
all our fully clicktive of my eyes? And so there
is a big always actually a settlement called it all
around what does the biggest tribe settlement look like? And
how are we going in the mandating process? That's that's
forever been going on, especially the last ten twenty years.
(05:29):
So but I've been trying to focus on our everyday challenges,
so what the social the housing, the house, but also
the economic drive, so really trying to drive economic development
was in our region and working with agencies and so
there's a bit of bau and it's a good time
for us to chicken with ministers as they arrive because
(05:53):
a white companies one day in the year, we're still
here when everybody goes. So my focus is service to
our fun They hey.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
How do you see how do you feel when you
see the news around why tongue down the white's represented
in the media compared with the experience that you have
on the ground at the heart of it all.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Yeah, sometimes it's it's disappointing. It tends to be focused
on the political issues of the day and MPs ministers
having their moment. But behind it all, there's just so
much as a hyper activity and festivities like I just
just you walking amongst it. I think last year was
(06:36):
eighty thousand people enjoying white Tomney Water has to offer
the navy the Wakata Wakatoa so it deppeens like on
the sixth and how it's reported it has been getting better,
I think the last couple of years more more more
celebratory type stuff. But you have the odd yea where
(06:57):
it swells in some issues takeover. But where you saw
it up here and I'm really love spending time with
the Muko Puna and Toma Rikiso. It's such a great
place to be and encourage people to come and experience
it themselves.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
How would you describe the relationship between EWI and the
government right now?
Speaker 3 (07:16):
I think it's it's it's it's what's the word challenging,
apprehensive at the moment, but but on on edge about it's.
It's strained, is what I would say, and not to
say that that's we're not We're not willing and we're
(07:37):
always I invited plenty ministers in the Foreign minister to
come and talk to laugh for so we have to
work together. But as challenges come up like that within
the last two years, it does get strained at times.
But I think we're mature as that Ewie two really
has things out and as Ewe Maori, we've got a
(07:57):
lot going for us in any case, every day stuff,
so yeah, it could be better.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Hey, actually, where does the Mari party fit in with
with this the whole scheme of things, because the you know,
there's the relationship between Ewei and and the crown, and
then we have a political party who don't necessarily you know,
Smari would have different views on what they're doing. And
there was a bit of tension last year about them
(08:24):
not wanting to come up for a hue. I think,
where do they fit in in the scheme of things
or would you rather the just butt out and leave
it to Ewee to get on with things.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Well, I think they have a real have had a
real important Uh we know how they came about the
multi party and I suppose what comes with from the
Hecuoy sea bed foreshore quoi what came with it was
somewhat also Tuddy and the Judio and all of the
Elk legacy toward a certain time moment in time that
(08:59):
the dued And so the question is raised, well, is
that fitful purpose for the next round of elections and
so on for the next fifty years or however long.
So we did invite them up to Nuflo for that hui,
and unfortunately they didn't make it. So it is going
(09:19):
to be, I believe, a moment to watch at the
next elections because we were right. We still have a
little bit of hurt us enough for we because money
and minor is our So we support her one hundred percent.
And that's notwithstanding that we know not all En, we
not all maldi vaite for them. But there's there's just
(09:41):
a legacy piece that that we as Maori inherently support
so gruppul opinions aside, Yeah, we did.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
I kind of hear you say that you are you're
going to you're waiting to see whether the Mari Party
are still fit for purpose.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
I think that's the questions that we're raised within our
meeting that we had last year around the intent well
all of all of the strike that was happening within
the multipad. I know, litigate all of it, we know
it all about. Yeah, you've got to ask the question,
is it a vehicle that will take us into the
(10:19):
next elections and given the history and given the whole
they took place, definitely, and and the voters in their
sense will make their choice.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
YEA.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
God, I'd love to dig into that a bit more
about it, won't How you by the way, how are
you guys going with your own treaty claim as you mentioned,
you've got a lot of voices of course talking about
mandates and it feels like something that's never going to happen,
to be honest, but what are your hopes for the
future with regards to napoos settling its own treaty claims?
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Yeah, I mean I say every time someone asked me
it will be settled in five years. That depends on
That depends on the issues of the day and of
Napoi gets passed off in the sense that five years
starts again. So we've gone through like three or four
cycles of five years, but it's definitely active. It comes
(11:12):
active again. I can see we're in a moment of
plenty of engagement taking place out in the regions one
hundred and ten Hapoo's one hundred and nine in Marii.
So it's not an easy feat. But I think the
real thing is time and time again the crown has
to really be genuine what the engagement now if we've
actually listen, because that's what resets that five years to
(11:33):
my mind. So we're talking about it, but in terms
of been an election year, we've been around six thousand
plus years is and have we another three years? Won't
heard or if we have to wait for what we
actually want to talk about and negotiate.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Well, I guess that that's the challenges for you to
all be on the same page, so the crown know
what the challenge is, isn't it. I guess I'm getting
HAPO all of the same well mostly of the same view,
isn't that?
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Oh well, not necessarily there's a waiting a tribun know
of released stage one and two reports which we all
and we had a HULU last year up at white Tongey.
You wouldn't get any help with disagreeing with those outcomes
from those results. So there is some agreement on the
bigger constitution or the boundaries and the clayments is a
(12:24):
bit more of a heavy issue in terms of specific
cupoos in the area, the different towns and areas up
we so that'll take time to work through, but I
think there is there is a definitely more starting point
than we think, well most most people think.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Hey, Lucky, last question, what would you like all New
Zealanders to take away from white Tongey day? What's the
one thing you would hope that they are left with
there as a lasting impression.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
That we've never drawn our attention away from true partnership
with non Maldi and Maldi in the constitution of the
the Copapu trety iNtanga. There's not a scary thing. It's
actually a deeper meaningful thing to Maldi and their Actually
(13:17):
we despite the challenges we we will always be here
and will always commit to working together in their cong
for card or despite the government and Crown coalitions they
come and go. I think just the undermining relationship under
bottom line relationship will always be there and be here
(13:38):
to work together. That's a great starting place and a
great reminder despite the challenges we go through.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yeah, hey Mana, I really appreciate your time this off
and an the best wishes for the preparation and the
lead up to it. And I you know, I hope
you have a great talk a great have a great week.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
No, all right, conky yeah bye bye.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
For more from the Weekend Collective, listen live to News
Talks there'd be weekends from three pm, or follow the
podcast on I Hard Radio and
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