The Government says this year's budget especially strengthens Auckland's role as New Zealand's economic engine room.
They point out that they're investing in health, including funding to purchase land for a future South Auckland Hospital, and a share of the Government's $5.5-billion health package.
Additionally, they highlight plans for housing growth with a new $400-million fund for councils to enable more homes.
Lastly, they're putting aside a billion for rail improvements, and another billion for school upgrades.
But Mayor Wayne Brown says the devil is in the detail - and we'll need more clarity into a timeline of these initiatives, along with an explanation of how the Government's funding their share of the CRL.
So what do these investments actually mean for Aucklanders - and how confident can we be in keeping a globally competitive city?
Minister for Auckland Simon Watts talks to Tim Beveridge to discuss...
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
You're listening to the Weekend Collective podcast from News Talks dB. Yes,
Welcome back now. The government says this year's budget especially
strengthens Auckland's role as New Zealand's economic engine room. They
point out that they're investing in health, including funding to
purchase land for a future South Auckland hospital and a
share of the government's five and a half billion dollar
health package. On top of that, they highlight plans for
(00:27):
house and growth with the new four hundred million dollar
fund for counsels to enable more homes. And lastly, they're
putting aside a billion for rail improvements and another billion
for school upgrades. But Mayor Wayne Brown sees the devils
in the detail and we'll need to clarify. We need
more clarity, sorry, into the timeline of these initiatives, along
with an explanation of how the government is funding their
share of the CRL and what do these investments actually
(00:48):
mean for Auckland is how confident confident can we be
in keeping a globally competitive city anyway to discuss that,
because Wayne Brown's enjoying his King's Birthday weekend, so Minister
for Auckland Simon Watts gets a free hit good a Simon.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Yeah, good afternoon, Tim, Thanks for having me along.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Good thanks for joining us. Okay, it's been said this
budget delivers for Auckland. What's a single thing auckland as
will actually notice first in their daily lives? Do you think?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Well? The reality is when Auckland's doing well, news is
doing well. The budget that we announced is very much
about supporting Auckland's growth and the specific investments that Auckland
are going to see play through are in a couple
of areas. Housing Growth Fund is a new area. We
heard a lot from councils around they need more support
around housing growth, around infrastructure. So Auckland will probably see
(01:40):
in the region of just over thirty million dollars coming
in on the first of April twenty seven within that
category alone. Obviously, the rail aspect CURL is going to
be the most significant project in Auckland and actually New
Zealand and the conniccs of transport investment and that we've
got a significant amount of money going into rail reform
(02:04):
and metropolitan rail and upgrading that network as well. So
those are two key examples before you get into health
and education.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
So Wayne Brown, there's a response he's given us. Excuse me,
it's noting that the numbers that have been quoted in
your press release for rail and education, for example, as
investment across the country, not just for Auckland. Has this
been oversold as an Auckland budget, like, you know, it's
good for Auckland because it's good for the country, but
(02:33):
it's not specifically for Auckland.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
No. Well, the reality is is that Auckland produces forty
percent of New Zealand's GDP in one thirdy key we
live in our city and that's a critical driver. So
the investment of infrastructure through what we've just referred to
is through housing or transport, it's all going to drive
(02:56):
jobs and income in Auckland, and that's going to drive
the broader economic growth of the whole country. So you know,
whether we're talking education and new classrooms coming through, a
vast proportion of that investment just by nature of the
size of Auckland is going to flow through. And that's
really really important because we need Auckland to be doing well.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
And you know that with the investment in health, including
land for a future South Auckland hospital, how far away
is that from becoming something real rather than what's quite
a long term promise at this stage, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Well, look, it's pretty advanced in the connex of land
acquisition and planning. It's been part of the broader needs.
You can see this significant growth happening and that has
been a feature for a period down in that part
of Auckland. And the reality is is that you know
Middlemore being the hospital in South Auckland with jury and
(03:52):
that we need another site. So you know, it's well advanced.
The health officials are working through that and it's another
example of just you know, we've got to have that
infrastructure that allows people to live and work in our
biggest city and they have to have the services as well,
and they have to be close to home. And the
reality is Auckland is growing, particularly on the South and
(04:12):
the western North areas as well.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
So more than a billion dollar billion four KEYWI rail
improvements sounds impressive. How much of that is particularly Auckland specific?
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Well, the fundings allocated across a number of areas. There
is a specific portion for Metropolitan which will be Auckland
and Wellington, and then the broader upgrades in regards to
the CRL and the infrastructure components are going to be
pretty significant, are pretty significant. You know, when you look
(04:43):
at how much CRL is costing, it's a pretty big lot.
But CRL is going to unlock significant value for Auckland
and also importantly play into that economic growth story around
increased productivity, who reduce travel times and just making it
faster to get across Auckland and all of that. I
(05:03):
think you know, cr I was going to transform Auckland
and it's more than a rail project. You know, it's
going to unlock a huge amount of that and actually
it's just going to make Auckland being a more livable city.
About twenty percent of Auckland's GDP comes from the Central
Business District, right, so CRL cannot be underestimated. When's it?
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Just have you got any inside oil and when that's
going to open?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Well, I'm one of the ministers on the so I
don't have no, I don't have a date, and I
won't be giving you a sneak peak on the date
when you talk back on a Sunday, But.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
What a timely present for King's birthday?
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Well yeah, so I'm I'm one of the ministers along
with Minister Bishop and we will be working with in
there on that. They're making good progress and what I've
you know, what I've been hearing and discussing with the
Auckland business players in particular is they do need adequately
time to make sure they are ready to make the
(06:04):
most that. But you know it's on track and we'll
have more to say on that soon. But they're going
through some pretty advanced testing. It's a massive project and
I have had a chance to have a look at it.
It's pretty impressive. Having lived in London around the world,
you know it's going to unlock significant.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
I don't expect you to give us a date obviously,
but do you have with having a conversation with yourself,
do you have a pretty good window and when it's
going to happen within a you know, maybe a couple
of weeks.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Yeah, I don't know the date.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
The date, not the date, but do you have a
window where you think I'm if I was a betting man,
I'd be putting ten bucks on it being within a
couple of weeks of X.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
No, I don't. It's subject to quite a lot of
testing in that. But as soon as we do know,
there'll be a period of you know, we're going to
know probably eight to ten weeks out on what the
date is, and then there'll be a period of transitional
opening well right, because this is a big project. But
I know more definitely in the coming months.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Are they susceptible to any sort of political pressure on
this because you know, the mayor, we all want it open.
I mean, is it just you know, is there any
sort of sense within the testing regime and the people
who are responsible for that that we really want to
get cracking with it.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
I look, at the end of the day, no one's
going to be compromising safety just to hit a date earlier.
We need to make sure it's all up and running
and all the work's done. But on the flip side,
Auckland needs see a route open. We need it to
drive that efficiency and we need to make sure that
people can get it you get on board as fast
as possible. So you know we're going to be seeing
(07:46):
that in the second half of this year. It'll just
come down to the date. We'll know a bit more specific,
So hopefully in the next few months.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Wants that planning And I was hoping you'd say in
the next few weeks, but never mind. Now back to Wayne.
He says, Auckland rate payers already know how they're playing
for their share of VCRL through rates increases. When will
the get he wants to know, when the government will
clearly explain how taxpayers are funding the crowns share.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Well, Look, the Mayor and I catch up on a
regular basis. We've actually got a Auckland deal which we
announced a month ago, and we've got our first meeting
formally with the Mayor and myself and Minister Bishop in
the next four weeks or so to be discussing that,
and we'll be discussing CRL amongst other aspects. The reality
(08:34):
is is that the Crown is putting up a significant
portion of that funding for that asset, and it's been
an asset in the making for nearly a decade as well.
But we're doing that because we need to unlock the
opportunities and the benefits of growth and productivity in Auckland
and that's going to be a key part of it.
So the Crown's putting up as alongside Auckland ratepayers and
(08:57):
that's the right thing to do because it's a big
infrastructure project that will make a big difference and.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
By the way, you know when it comes to budgets,
because you know that was the statement that's been made
and the budget that's good for Auckland, et cetera. Do
you do you know what Wayne Brown wanted from the
budget and Auckland. Do you have conversations around that and
what he wants and how you can meet the mayor's
expectations because as criticism would be that Auckland's been still
(09:22):
governed too much from Wellington. So I guess the question
is how much do you actually listen to? How much
of a voice does he have? Well?
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I think you know when the Mirror and I catch
up and we do so, you know formally every month.
It consistently, you know, the Mayor's argued and rightly so
because I also live in Auckland that Auckland needs more
investment in core infrastructure and transport to support that growth.
And you know, my viewers as a budget twenty six
(09:49):
does complement that objective. That's the conversation that Mirror and
I have alongside other ministers. You know, how do we
make sure that Auckland's getting that investment are in core
infrastructure and what we don't always agree on everything, what
we do atsolutely agree on is that Auckland needs an
infrastructure that'll support the growth. And my viewers as a
(10:11):
budget twenty six, I.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Imagine it'd be quite keen on I don't want to
flog a dead horse here, but I imagine you'd be quite
keen on get in the CRL open before people go
to the polls, wouldn't you.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Oh look, I'm keen for Auckland to get the CRL
open as fast as possible in year. Absolutely it's going
to be it's going to be a benefit. But we
need the most important thing. You know, we've got average
growth coming into the economy of about two point seven percent.
That's pretty good. People will feel that, and I think
that's that's positive as we look forward to the next
three to four years. We've done a you know, it's
(10:43):
been a hard draft in the last two and a
half years, and you know, but we're working diligently on
that and we're getting some good progress. But you know,
a hell of a lot more opportunities, real opportunities in
Auckland unlock and we need to continue to deliver that.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Yeah. Oh well, fingers crossed, it'll be I imagine you're
keeping your fingers Cross will have the CRL before the
election anyway, even if you're not going to tell.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Us absolutely, I'm doing everything I can around the tables
that I sit around to be ensuring that we get
everything that we can get for Auckland as fast as possible.
But you know we'll do the do it for a
due process.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Yeah, fair enough, fair enough, fair enough? You play straight
back to that. How I appreciate your time, Simon, thanks
so much, thanks to good to. Yeah that is Simon,
what's in Auckland, Minister for Auckland. I guess that. Look up,
you've got to keep you He did play very straight back.
I was hoping he'd say, look, it's a question of
week's not months, and then I hope he'd say, well,
you know where would expect it to be before the election.
(11:41):
But no, he didn't give any of that, did he.
But let's be honest. I think all the objections about
you know, budgets for Auckland Orheather they're for Auckland will
just disappear in the wind. If the CURL opens before
the election, then Auckland's going to fall in love with it.
And there's my production and I haven't even been off
at a free tour of it, which is mildly if
Enny me met how long? Just the weekend guy? So anyway, Hey, look,
(12:03):
we'll take your calls on this, your response to the
interview there with Simon Wats but also with Chris penk around.
You know, are you comfortable and I don't mean comfortable
as in like I love it, but just do you
agree that the government had to spend more on defense.
There's been an announcement that we're heading towards two percent
of GDP that's what our goal is a big spend
or are you in the sort of I don't want
(12:24):
to keep mentioning Linda top because I think you know
there's a lot going on with Linda, given the week
or two that she's had. But you know, it was
got applause at the Music Awards that you know, we
should just put a few rock bands on a hillside
and that'll frighten everyone away. What do you reckon? Where
does the reality sit for you when it comes to
our defense? Spend eight hundred and eighty ten eighty text
(12:45):
nine two nine to two and we'll be working just
to take twenty two minutes to.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Four for more from the Weekend Collective.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Listen live to news Talk ZEDB weekends from three pm,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
You're listening to the Weekend Collective podcast from News Talks dB. Yes,
Welcome back now. The government says this year's budget especially
strengthens Auckland's role as New Zealand's economic engine room. They
point out that they're investing in health, including funding to
purchase land for a future South Auckland hospital and a
share of the government's five and a half billion dollar
health package. On top of that, they highlight plans for
(00:27):
house and growth with the new four hundred million dollar
fund for counsels to enable more homes. And lastly, they're
putting aside a billion for rail improvements and another billion
for school upgrades. But Mayor Wayne Brown sees the devils
in the detail and we'll need to clarify. We need
more clarity, sorry, into the timeline of these initiatives, along
with an explanation of how the government is funding their
share of the CRL and what do these investments actually
(00:48):
mean for Auckland is how confident confident can we be
in keeping a globally competitive city anyway to discuss that,
because Wayne Brown's enjoying his King's Birthday weekend, so Minister
for Auckland Simon Watts gets a free hit good a Simon.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Yeah, good afternoon, Tim, Thanks for having me along.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Good thanks for joining us. Okay, it's been said this
budget delivers for Auckland. What's a single thing auckland as
will actually notice first in their daily lives? Do you think?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Well? The reality is when Auckland's doing well, news is
doing well. The budget that we announced is very much
about supporting Auckland's growth and the specific investments that Auckland
are going to see play through are in a couple
of areas. Housing Growth Fund is a new area. We
heard a lot from councils around they need more support
around housing growth, around infrastructure. So Auckland will probably see
(01:40):
in the region of just over thirty million dollars coming
in on the first of April twenty seven within that
category alone. Obviously, the rail aspect CURL is going to
be the most significant project in Auckland and actually New
Zealand and the conniccs of transport investment and that we've
got a significant amount of money going into rail reform
(02:04):
and metropolitan rail and upgrading that network as well. So
those are two key examples before you get into health
and education.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
So Wayne Brown, there's a response he's given us. Excuse me,
it's noting that the numbers that have been quoted in
your press release for rail and education, for example, as
investment across the country, not just for Auckland. Has this
been oversold as an Auckland budget, like, you know, it's
good for Auckland because it's good for the country, but
(02:33):
it's not specifically for Auckland.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
No. Well, the reality is is that Auckland produces forty
percent of New Zealand's GDP in one thirdy key we
live in our city and that's a critical driver. So
the investment of infrastructure through what we've just referred to
is through housing or transport, it's all going to drive
(02:56):
jobs and income in Auckland, and that's going to drive
the broader economic growth of the whole country. So you know,
whether we're talking education and new classrooms coming through, a
vast proportion of that investment just by nature of the
size of Auckland is going to flow through. And that's
really really important because we need Auckland to be doing well.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
And you know that with the investment in health, including
land for a future South Auckland hospital, how far away
is that from becoming something real rather than what's quite
a long term promise at this stage, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Well, look, it's pretty advanced in the connex of land
acquisition and planning. It's been part of the broader needs.
You can see this significant growth happening and that has
been a feature for a period down in that part
of Auckland. And the reality is is that you know
Middlemore being the hospital in South Auckland with jury and
(03:52):
that we need another site. So you know, it's well advanced.
The health officials are working through that and it's another
example of just you know, we've got to have that
infrastructure that allows people to live and work in our
biggest city and they have to have the services as well,
and they have to be close to home. And the
reality is Auckland is growing, particularly on the South and
(04:12):
the western North areas as well.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
So more than a billion dollar billion four KEYWI rail
improvements sounds impressive. How much of that is particularly Auckland specific?
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Well, the fundings allocated across a number of areas. There
is a specific portion for Metropolitan which will be Auckland
and Wellington, and then the broader upgrades in regards to
the CRL and the infrastructure components are going to be
pretty significant, are pretty significant. You know, when you look
(04:43):
at how much CRL is costing, it's a pretty big lot.
But CRL is going to unlock significant value for Auckland
and also importantly play into that economic growth story around
increased productivity, who reduce travel times and just making it
faster to get across Auckland and all of that. I
(05:03):
think you know, cr I was going to transform Auckland
and it's more than a rail project. You know, it's
going to unlock a huge amount of that and actually
it's just going to make Auckland being a more livable city.
About twenty percent of Auckland's GDP comes from the Central
Business District, right, so CRL cannot be underestimated. When's it?
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Just have you got any inside oil and when that's
going to open?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Well, I'm one of the ministers on the so I
don't have no, I don't have a date, and I
won't be giving you a sneak peak on the date
when you talk back on a Sunday, But.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
What a timely present for King's birthday?
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Well yeah, so I'm I'm one of the ministers along
with Minister Bishop and we will be working with in
there on that. They're making good progress and what I've
you know, what I've been hearing and discussing with the
Auckland business players in particular is they do need adequately
time to make sure they are ready to make the
(06:04):
most that. But you know it's on track and we'll
have more to say on that soon. But they're going
through some pretty advanced testing. It's a massive project and
I have had a chance to have a look at it.
It's pretty impressive. Having lived in London around the world,
you know it's going to unlock significant.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
I don't expect you to give us a date obviously,
but do you have with having a conversation with yourself,
do you have a pretty good window and when it's
going to happen within a you know, maybe a couple
of weeks.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Yeah, I don't know the date.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
The date, not the date, but do you have a
window where you think I'm if I was a betting man,
I'd be putting ten bucks on it being within a
couple of weeks of X.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
No, I don't. It's subject to quite a lot of
testing in that. But as soon as we do know,
there'll be a period of you know, we're going to
know probably eight to ten weeks out on what the
date is, and then there'll be a period of transitional
opening well right, because this is a big project. But
I know more definitely in the coming months.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Are they susceptible to any sort of political pressure on
this because you know, the mayor, we all want it open.
I mean, is it just you know, is there any
sort of sense within the testing regime and the people
who are responsible for that that we really want to
get cracking with it.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
I look, at the end of the day, no one's
going to be compromising safety just to hit a date earlier.
We need to make sure it's all up and running
and all the work's done. But on the flip side,
Auckland needs see a route open. We need it to
drive that efficiency and we need to make sure that
people can get it you get on board as fast
as possible. So you know we're going to be seeing
(07:46):
that in the second half of this year. It'll just
come down to the date. We'll know a bit more specific,
So hopefully in the next few months.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Wants that planning And I was hoping you'd say in
the next few weeks, but never mind. Now back to Wayne.
He says, Auckland rate payers already know how they're playing
for their share of VCRL through rates increases. When will
the get he wants to know, when the government will
clearly explain how taxpayers are funding the crowns share.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Well, Look, the Mayor and I catch up on a
regular basis. We've actually got a Auckland deal which we
announced a month ago, and we've got our first meeting
formally with the Mayor and myself and Minister Bishop in
the next four weeks or so to be discussing that,
and we'll be discussing CRL amongst other aspects. The reality
(08:34):
is is that the Crown is putting up a significant
portion of that funding for that asset, and it's been
an asset in the making for nearly a decade as well.
But we're doing that because we need to unlock the
opportunities and the benefits of growth and productivity in Auckland
and that's going to be a key part of it.
So the Crown's putting up as alongside Auckland ratepayers and
(08:57):
that's the right thing to do because it's a big
infrastructure project that will make a big difference and.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
By the way, you know when it comes to budgets,
because you know that was the statement that's been made
and the budget that's good for Auckland, et cetera. Do
you do you know what Wayne Brown wanted from the
budget and Auckland. Do you have conversations around that and
what he wants and how you can meet the mayor's
expectations because as criticism would be that Auckland's been still
(09:22):
governed too much from Wellington. So I guess the question
is how much do you actually listen to? How much
of a voice does he have? Well?
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I think you know when the Mirror and I catch
up and we do so, you know formally every month.
It consistently, you know, the Mayor's argued and rightly so
because I also live in Auckland that Auckland needs more
investment in core infrastructure and transport to support that growth.
And you know, my viewers as a budget twenty six
(09:49):
does complement that objective. That's the conversation that Mirror and
I have alongside other ministers. You know, how do we
make sure that Auckland's getting that investment are in core
infrastructure and what we don't always agree on everything, what
we do atsolutely agree on is that Auckland needs an
infrastructure that'll support the growth. And my viewers as a
(10:11):
budget twenty six, I.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Imagine it'd be quite keen on I don't want to
flog a dead horse here, but I imagine you'd be quite
keen on get in the CRL open before people go
to the polls, wouldn't you.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Oh look, I'm keen for Auckland to get the CRL
open as fast as possible in year. Absolutely it's going
to be it's going to be a benefit. But we
need the most important thing. You know, we've got average
growth coming into the economy of about two point seven percent.
That's pretty good. People will feel that, and I think
that's that's positive as we look forward to the next
three to four years. We've done a you know, it's
(10:43):
been a hard draft in the last two and a
half years, and you know, but we're working diligently on
that and we're getting some good progress. But you know,
a hell of a lot more opportunities, real opportunities in
Auckland unlock and we need to continue to deliver that.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Yeah. Oh well, fingers crossed, it'll be I imagine you're
keeping your fingers Cross will have the CRL before the
election anyway, even if you're not going to tell.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Us absolutely, I'm doing everything I can around the tables
that I sit around to be ensuring that we get
everything that we can get for Auckland as fast as possible.
But you know we'll do the do it for a
due process.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Yeah, fair enough, fair enough, fair enough? You play straight
back to that. How I appreciate your time, Simon, thanks
so much, thanks to good to. Yeah that is Simon,
what's in Auckland, Minister for Auckland. I guess that. Look up,
you've got to keep you He did play very straight back.
I was hoping he'd say, look, it's a question of
week's not months, and then I hope he'd say, well,
you know where would expect it to be before the election.
(11:41):
But no, he didn't give any of that, did he.
But let's be honest. I think all the objections about
you know, budgets for Auckland Orheather they're for Auckland will
just disappear in the wind. If the CURL opens before
the election, then Auckland's going to fall in love with it.
And there's my production and I haven't even been off
at a free tour of it, which is mildly if
Enny me met how long? Just the weekend guy? So anyway, Hey, look,
(12:03):
we'll take your calls on this, your response to the
interview there with Simon Wats but also with Chris penk around.
You know, are you comfortable and I don't mean comfortable
as in like I love it, but just do you
agree that the government had to spend more on defense.
There's been an announcement that we're heading towards two percent
of GDP that's what our goal is a big spend
or are you in the sort of I don't want
(12:24):
to keep mentioning Linda top because I think you know
there's a lot going on with Linda, given the week
or two that she's had. But you know, it was
got applause at the Music Awards that you know, we
should just put a few rock bands on a hillside
and that'll frighten everyone away. What do you reckon? Where
does the reality sit for you when it comes to
our defense? Spend eight hundred and eighty ten eighty text
(12:45):
nine two nine to two and we'll be working just
to take twenty two minutes to.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Four for more from the Weekend Collective.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Listen live to news Talk ZEDB weekends from three pm,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
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Betrayal Weekly
Betrayal Weekly is back for a new season. Every Thursday, Betrayal Weekly shares first-hand accounts of broken trust, shocking deceptions, and the trail of destruction they leave behind. Hosted by Andrea Gunning, this weekly ongoing series digs into real-life stories of betrayal and the aftermath. From stories of double lives to dark discoveries, these are cautionary tales and accounts of resilience against all odds. From the producers of the critically acclaimed Betrayal series, Betrayal Weekly drops new episodes every Thursday. If you would like to share your story, you can reach out to the Betrayal Team by emailing them at betrayalpod@gmail.com and follow us on Instagram at @betrayalpod and @glasspodcasts. Please join our Substack for additional exclusive content, curated book recommendations, and community discussions. Sign up FREE by clicking this link Beyond Betrayal Substack. Join our community dedicated to truth, resilience, and healing. Your voice matters! Be a part of our Betrayal journey on Substack.