August 27, 2024 • 20 mins
On Sports Fix with D'Arcy Waldegrave for Tuesday 27 August, former Warrior and Fox Sport NRL commentator Brent Tate wades into the bunker wreckage after another weekend of high tackle overreach as the result of Stephen Crichton’s hit of Roger Tuivasa-Scheck. Is the Bunker on shaky ground?
D’Arcy puts the ‘24 women’s GOAT contest into context. How phenomenally ridiculous is it to compare sporting achievements?
Plus, D'Arcy chats to Newstalk ZB's Sport News Director, Clay Wilson, on the Ko v Carrington comparisons as Halberg chat gets aired, on the NRL decision making process and the Kiwi first round exit at the US Open.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
You're listening to a podcast from News Talks at BE
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
Hello there, and welcome on in to the Sports Fix,
your daily podcast for everything you need to know in
sport maybe you don't as well. My name is Darcy Watergrave.
It is a Tuesdays, the twenty seventh of August twenty
twenty four. What have we got prepped for you?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
I tell you. Coming up next will be my interview
with Brent take Format Worry among other teams of course
part of commentary teams as well as we look at
the call from Graham Annesley it's the head of the
NRL referees essentially to say, you know what, We're really sorry.
We made a mistake, but this is not that unusual.
(00:56):
We're talked to Brent around that and around the fishhooks
of having a bunker and a referee in the NRL.
I've got some thoughts around co v Carrington. Yeah, that
already and we're months away from the Halbergs and will
be joined in that studio by News Talk ZB Sports
director mister Clay Wilson as we toss around a few
(01:18):
of the key subjects of the day. That's our plans
stand let's get amongst.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
In other news.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
From the mounds of the news makers, All Black's assistant
coach Jason Ryan has outlined his philosophy ahead of the
weekend's immense challenge against the reigning world champions Spring blox Side.
It requires some excess luggage to be Jennison.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
When you're playing in this arena and it's honestly the
best ever you could test yourself. You can't be thinking
too much about things if you want that physicality. So
that's probably what I've learned is probably removing a little
bit of stuff during the week helps them excute under.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Pressure run tackle, pass tackle, run, get up, run tackle.
The list goes on Black Fern rugby superstar Porsche Woodman
Wickliffe has explained her decision to shoot up to the
Land of the Rising Sun for a touch of Fifteen's.
She'll be gone from October through the February next year,
where her and her wife Renee will be working together,
(02:15):
Renee as an assistant coach for the same team.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
The Mayor of Pearls I want to have babies, and
I want to get as in many opportunities as I can,
and with the Japanese seventh season being.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Before the Olympics, that wasn't an option.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
So the next best option is going over for a
fifteen season.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Poor old Graham Annesley from the NRL's front and up
again to sheepishly explain Friday Nights ref and calamity as
his staff failed to notice Dog's skipper Stephen Crichton execute
a textbook no arms shoulder to the head of Roger
to a vasa seck which snotted Roger out of the
game and finished his year. Huh again, of course, from
(02:55):
we have an error.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
And a bad era that we saw in the Stephen
Crichton incident. We should have been said bend. I don't
think there's any question. I don't think anyone argues with that.
There's no doubt that was a judgment error by the bunque.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
What was his he doing there? Anyway? Of course Stephen's
shoulder was going oh oh oh, well, don't matter, they
said it. We hit record.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
We've got just the ticket. It's Sports Fix.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
And I'm joined now on the Sports Fix podcast by
former Warrior now commentated with Fox Brent Tate as we
look at the interesting you can call it, that situation
around at Stephen NC Crichton and the sending off that
never was. Brent, Welcome to the show. Thanks very much
for joining us. First up, you get reaction of what's
going on here.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Well, I think they've created a rod for their own
back at the moment, mate, with some of the decisions
around concussions and head highs and who goes to the ben.
And I honestly think there's this mass confusion in the
refereeing ranks at the moment. To be honest, I don't
think they understand what is a sendoff. I don't think
they understand what's not a sendoff. Yeah, I genuinely think
(04:05):
made at the moment, there's just a real centiment across
the game that there's just everyone's confused, no one knows
what's going on. Yeah, it's a real worry, mate, I
get the sense that, And I've got a real worry that.
I think this semi final series might be one of
the most controversial we'll they ever seen because I just
think all the referees at the moment are on a
different page to each other. They're really struggling for consistency,
(04:28):
and you know, it does seem every week we see
Graham and as they're sitting up there apologizing on behalf
of one of the teams, which, look, there's always going
to be some error, mate, But I just think we've
got to get on the right page at the moment,
and they've got to get on the right page quickly otherwise.
You know, this semi final series is going to be
really controversial, sort being.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Very reactionary over the weekend after that non call on Crichton,
suddenly the race all leaned toward maybe seeing players to
the been may you put it on? It just got
a bit more intense, didn't it after what happened on
Friday night? Very reactionary?
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Yeah, it certainly did one hundred percent. Made I think
all the noise around that certainly set of precedent for
the rest of the rest of the weekends football. But again, mate,
you know, look, we're seeing guys getting like nothing more
than a love tap getting sent off. And look, I'm
all for protecting the players and making sure that our
game is in a good position to look after the players.
(05:23):
You know that that's the main thing. But I just
think at the moment, they've just gone to the empty
gree it's just gone way too far. And as I said,
I think the simple thing is at the moment is
if you know, if someone gets hit in the head,
you go to the bin and all the players know that,
and that's that's just the way it is. But yeah,
certainly at the moment, Made, it's there seems to be
just mass confusion around the place.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Well, carry on that in a second. Just going back
to the Wires situation, I've been talking to people saying, hey, look,
this is not an anti Warriors thing. It happens right
across the competition. Do you feel like as an anti
Warriors situation or there being unduly harassed?
Speaker 3 (06:00):
No, I don't think so. Made. As I said, I
think you know, you could go over Graham and as
Lee's reviews every week and I reckon every week. You know,
there's a decision there that's, you know, more or not
more or not. You could argue that's cost a team,
you know, a winning performance.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
You know.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
So I don't think it's just the wise. I do
get when you're a supporter of the club and you're
at the club, Behre, you do feel like that absolutely
but as I said, I think if you went through
Graham and as leads reviews each Monday, that new every
week he's apologizing to a team where there's been maybe
a refereeing. How that's cost a side to your point. Look,
(06:39):
it is a really difficult job, mate, But I just
think now with the bunk, have we slow everything down?
It's you know everything they slow the game the down
and they referee the game and slow ma and you
just can't do that with rugby. League's a fast it's
a fast paced game. It's a contact sport, you know. Yeah,
it's just a difficult one. And to throw another layer
in that now, mate, we've got players laying down anytime
(07:01):
they get tossed on the head. And that's you know,
with the games created that you know, because the players
are just playing within the rules. Now, you know, you
got blokes hold in the back of their next You've
got blokes holding ankles. You've got blokes as soon as
they get touched on the face screaming and yelling at
the ref and laying down. So yeah, look, yeah, I
genuinely have real concerns going into the semi final series
(07:23):
because if they don't fix this in the next couple
of weeks. It's going to cost a team of Grand
final or a semi final spot the next week. So
and if that happens, mate, there's going to be real ramification.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Brent take joins us. I suppose it's all well and
good saying this has to be solved in the next
couple of weeks, But how what actually can or has
to happen? How do you put the genie back in
the bottle? Again?
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Well, I think for a start, you get the bunker
out of it, you know, refereeing the game in slow
mae and going over every single tackle, you know, like
you know that that's one thing or made at the
end of the day. As I said before, you know,
if you hit someone in the in the head and
that's you get sent off, so you know, and that's
just a blanket rule. So but again, we're going to
have a game where everyone's get sent off for ten
(08:06):
minutes because it's a contact sport. You know, at times
you do come up around the head. Whether it's a
big contact or not, it happens. So yeah, look, I
know there's no quick fix for this, but mate, we've
got to get something sorted in the next couple of weeks. Otherwise,
like I said, I've got genuine fears for this semi
final series and it's not going to be perfect. But mate, yeah,
(08:29):
I don't think it's a great look in the game
at the moment when you've got two or three blows
getting sent off every in one game every week.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
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Speaker 2 (08:42):
V K V. Carrington. Here we go. It's only August
and already the discussion is up around which of those
two phenomenal athletes should win sportswomen of the Year and
in turn sports Person of the Year at the Hellberg
Awards early next year. Regardless of what you think about
the Hellberg Awards, and quite frankly, I think it's a
(09:05):
fantastic time for sports feel to get together, have a
couple of sherries and yarn about their sports with each
other because they don't get to do stuff like that.
As far as the Apples the Oranges situation, well, quite frankly,
that's insane, but so be it. We love giving gongs,
we love awards, we love awards ceremony. Want to say
we I mean, most people count me out, but the
(09:29):
Karendon v. Co argument, it's almost impossible to debate. It's
almost impossible to come to any form of consensus around
which athlete is the greatest of the year. When you
look at what Lydia Coe has achieved. Plainly, she's got
an Olympic Gong, a gold medal, and she's joined now
with her silver and bronze. So she's got the box
(09:50):
set in golf. And of course winning at one of
five women's opens just over the weekend in form of
the Open at Saint Andrew's the Grand Old Course. What
a phenomenal result for her. Also, she's now included in
the Golfing Hall of Fame. You don't much better than that.
But what Carrington did, the way she blazed her way
(10:13):
through the three goals in the Olympic Games, we will
never see that again. And if you attach that to
her previous efforts at the Games, that's more than a
freak show. That is quite frankly unbelievable, which is a
term used by so many times for my liking. And
you look back at what Co has done as well,
you think, wow, this might put her up there, remembering
of course that the judges at the Halburg Awards cannot
(10:34):
take into consideration anything that has happened before, even though
they have awarded the gong on that basis on a
couple of occasions, which leaves me cold. So this year,
what happened, Who ruled it? I'll tell you now. I
think they'll lean towards Carrington because it's the Olympic glory.
She's covered herself and that's something about the Halburg Awards.
(10:56):
They absolutely love top class olympians. Lydia Coe, though the
precious has been under the way. She's picked herself, not
only for the golf gold but for Saint Andrews was
really one out of the box. I'd plump for her
if any But quite frankly, I think we need a
proper Hall of Fame and not a Hallberg Awards ceremony again,
(11:17):
apples oranges, plums, cantaloups, whatever. You can't compare the merits
of different sports people in different sports. It is insane.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
The Chamber is now in session on Sportsfix.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
And it's a big welcome on to Thelena, to Clay Wilson,
these news talks, THEBES Sports director and we say, Lena,
we were changing it every week pretty much. We think
the Leena is more accurate than the lounge or the
bunker or the chamber. It's more of a discussion place.
Speaker 6 (11:49):
I feel like Alena is probably a more likely place
for I'm going to give my sporting reckons, you know,
at the bar over the Lina to whoever wants to
listen or or.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Turn around, and they just walk off, and I'm Wilson
had enough of it, right, Let's get into it. Let's talk.
We'll start things off with the US Open. Unfortunate for
lulusun and she is going to be at the ASP Classic,
which is enormous for the organizers of that. I mean,
she's been there before. No one knew she was first
round of the US Open. But nah, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 6 (12:21):
A real shame because for those that have been following
her career since she made that run through Wimbledon and
rose to prominence here in New Zealand. She just made
her first WTA level final just two days ago in
Mexico at one of the leading tournaments to the US Open.
She lost, but everything seemed hunky dory from a fitness perspective.
(12:43):
But at the end of the first set of this match,
she's her first round match she's had to withdraw with
it looks like a glute injury of some description, so
whether she carried it in or not, it doesn't appear
that way. But she obviously wasn't well enough to continue
and has had to withdraw. So a real shame because
that final appearance in Mexico took it at forty one
in the world, her career high, first time jumping inside
(13:06):
the top fifty. So she's at a level now. She's
you know, she's a real contender to make it through
to the last stages of these kind of tournaments. Yes,
she's not a top ten player yet, but you know,
we saw at Wimbled and what she can do so
a lot the way you.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Say, Yet I like that confidence.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Clay.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
She's got that game.
Speaker 6 (13:21):
And she does have that kind of game about her.
You know, if you watch a bit of tennis, she's
especially in the women's game, she's aggressive. She she goes
for her shot, she's not afraid to to have a crack.
And I think that's the kind of game you need
if you're gonna if you're going to really push, push
the envelope and get into that top ten in a
sport like tennis. So yeah, shame, So we'll see how
much she bounces back. She wasn't really help from the
(13:42):
court or anything, so hopefully not too long. Obviously, this
is the last Grand Slam of the year, so we
won't see her in action at a Grand Slam until
fingers crossed the Australian Open in January. But yeah, but
a bit of a shame after she made that final
in Mexico.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
You mention her aggression, there's something else about her that
I really like. She also loves a fight and when
it's not looking good, she stands to go really not
a mind to she hears a crack back again, regardless
of where they are in the game. So she shows
that intestinal fortitude, that ability to hang in there and
actually win games.
Speaker 6 (14:13):
And that's huge, right, also such an important part of
succeeding at the elite level of any sport writers not
just having the game, but you've got to have the
mentality to be able to, you know, when the going
gets tough, the tough get going. So so yeah, I
think promising sign is just a bit of a shame
that her body didn't quite agree with her after that
short turnaround off that recent tournament we had.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Brent taked on just before former Warrior player an RL
player talking about Annesley coming out game look really sorry
that decision was wrong on Friday night, talking of course
about Crichton with the shoulder to the hedge of Roger Twyvasasik.
It's almost a you can't win situation, is it, Because
sometimes you get it right, sometimes you get it wrong.
I'd suggest shoot me here if I'm wrong. But on balance,
(14:55):
they tend to get it right, and maybe we focus
too much on the times it goes wrong, especially if
it's a Warrior.
Speaker 6 (15:02):
Well, fans of sport, we're passionate people, aren't we, you know,
And when our team or our player think they've been
unjustly treated, it's.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
A personal affront. You're attacking me.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
And you know, there's there's long been this theory that
the Warriors more harshly treated than other clubs. And I mean,
maybe the stats over time would back up that they've
had a few, you know, a few more few harsher
calls than others. But I don't know, I don't I
don't think officials at this level go out to make
decisions against one club or for one club, or that
(15:34):
kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Well, just this environment though, either because everybody's looking for it.
There'd be nuts if they leaned into that, wouldn't they.
If anything, they'll go the other way and be kind
to the Warriors.
Speaker 6 (15:44):
I think at best maybe you could argue for some
kind of subconscious bias, but even I find that a stretch.
It's just to me, it's just it's just officials making errors,
and you know when it happens. I think what's amplified
it is that it happened in the warriors last home game,
sold out Mount Smart Stadium. Of course, Shawn Johnson's farewell
farewelling a club legend, and you get a you get
(16:06):
a stinker like that, right, and and so it amplifies
it even more so. But yeah, what can you say
apart from these things are going to happen. Officials aren't perfect,
even when they've got seventeen thousand video replays and ice
cream and shout at the TV as much as the
next person when these things are happening.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
But it's it's what sport is.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
When we're never going to get all of those little
eras out of the game completely.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Remember Nigel Long in the test match between Australia and
New and who was it. I want to say it
was Nathan Lyon. Wasn't it great, big dirty edge? And
Nigel Long said on that could come from anywhere. This
is what we get. Even right in front of you.
People still have blind spots, aren't.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
It doesn't mean that we shouldn't strive for perfection quote
unquote from officials, but the reality is it's not going
to happen. So if it's something that's happening repeatedly, and
I'm not across it enough to know whether this is
something that's been really inconsistent across the whole season in
the NRL, but it certainly has caused a I guess
you know, it's a kind of a big deal when
(17:06):
even in Australia, and it's the worry is that the
people are causing a stink about it. So just just really,
like I say, a real shame that it had to
happen on the occasion it did. But all that said,
it was no guarantee the worries we're going to win
the game anyway that the Bulldogs could well have still
held on.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
But I'd say and by that stage the season gone anyway,
so really doesn't matter. And finally, you see the the
chat around CoV Carrington already ahead of the Halberg's early
next year. I'm not going to say who's the better
sports person because I don't think you can judge that,
(17:42):
But how do you go about judging stuff like this?
To it? Is it really that important to have a
US sportswoman, a sports team, a sports person, a sportsman
of the year.
Speaker 6 (17:51):
I think everyone, at the end of the day is
going to have their own criteria, and I'm not sure
if the Halberg Judges even themselves, are given specific criteria
to work from other than to say, you tell us
what you think, and everyone, I mean your what your
criteria is for the best athlete of the year and
what performance is better than the other is going to
be different to mine and different to the next person
(18:13):
in the office right or the person on the couch
at home. So it's one of those things that I
love the Halberg's. I think we have to have it.
You have to be able to celebrate the success. But
to just celebrate their success probably isn't enough because people,
a lot of people have this innate need to have
a winner.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Well, you couldn't get them up all on stage the
success and give them a nice warm round of applause
and that you know, maybe I don't know a broach
or what cheeks that wouldn't work for you. No, nah,
I don't think. Well, I mean for me personally, I
wouldn't mind. But because I think trying to compare a
lot of these things, I mean doesn't mean that sometimes
(18:52):
there isn't an obvious athlete or team that's performed better
than the other. And some years we do have categories
that are just cut and dry. But in this example,
you're trying to compare someone who's now won what eight
gold medals, won three in a row for a second time,
versus so one who, in an incredibly difficult sport like golf,
has come from completely out of form to winning a
(19:14):
gold medal and then the Women's Open I'm major tournament.
So I mean, how do you weigh those things up?
That's the million dollar question that will never be answered
for me. Clay Wilson, News Talk as ZB Sports Centers,
As always, thanks for your time and opinion.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
Too easy does.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
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Hello there, and welcome on in to the Sports Fix,
your daily podcast for everything you need to know in
sport maybe you don't as well. My name is Darcy Watergrave.
It is a Tuesdays, the twenty seventh of August twenty
twenty four. What have we got prepped for you?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
I tell you. Coming up next will be my interview
with Brent take Format Worry among other teams of course
part of commentary teams as well as we look at
the call from Graham Annesley it's the head of the
NRL referees essentially to say, you know what, We're really sorry.
We made a mistake, but this is not that unusual.
(00:56):
We're talked to Brent around that and around the fishhooks
of having a bunker and a referee in the NRL.
I've got some thoughts around co v Carrington. Yeah, that
already and we're months away from the Halbergs and will
be joined in that studio by News Talk ZB Sports
director mister Clay Wilson as we toss around a few
(01:18):
of the key subjects of the day. That's our plans
stand let's get amongst.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
In other news.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
From the mounds of the news makers, All Black's assistant
coach Jason Ryan has outlined his philosophy ahead of the
weekend's immense challenge against the reigning world champions Spring blox Side.
It requires some excess luggage to be Jennison.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
When you're playing in this arena and it's honestly the
best ever you could test yourself. You can't be thinking
too much about things if you want that physicality. So
that's probably what I've learned is probably removing a little
bit of stuff during the week helps them excute under.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Pressure run tackle, pass tackle, run, get up, run tackle.
The list goes on Black Fern rugby superstar Porsche Woodman
Wickliffe has explained her decision to shoot up to the
Land of the Rising Sun for a touch of Fifteen's.
She'll be gone from October through the February next year,
where her and her wife Renee will be working together,
(02:15):
Renee as an assistant coach for the same team.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
The Mayor of Pearls I want to have babies, and
I want to get as in many opportunities as I can,
and with the Japanese seventh season being.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Before the Olympics, that wasn't an option.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
So the next best option is going over for a
fifteen season.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Poor old Graham Annesley from the NRL's front and up
again to sheepishly explain Friday Nights ref and calamity as
his staff failed to notice Dog's skipper Stephen Crichton execute
a textbook no arms shoulder to the head of Roger
to a vasa seck which snotted Roger out of the
game and finished his year. Huh again, of course, from
(02:55):
we have an error.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
And a bad era that we saw in the Stephen
Crichton incident. We should have been said bend. I don't
think there's any question. I don't think anyone argues with that.
There's no doubt that was a judgment error by the bunque.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
What was his he doing there? Anyway? Of course Stephen's
shoulder was going oh oh oh, well, don't matter, they
said it. We hit record.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
We've got just the ticket. It's Sports Fix.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
And I'm joined now on the Sports Fix podcast by
former Warrior now commentated with Fox Brent Tate as we
look at the interesting you can call it, that situation
around at Stephen NC Crichton and the sending off that
never was. Brent, Welcome to the show. Thanks very much
for joining us. First up, you get reaction of what's
going on here.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Well, I think they've created a rod for their own
back at the moment, mate, with some of the decisions
around concussions and head highs and who goes to the ben.
And I honestly think there's this mass confusion in the
refereeing ranks at the moment. To be honest, I don't
think they understand what is a sendoff. I don't think
they understand what's not a sendoff. Yeah, I genuinely think
(04:05):
made at the moment, there's just a real centiment across
the game that there's just everyone's confused, no one knows
what's going on. Yeah, it's a real worry, mate, I
get the sense that, And I've got a real worry that.
I think this semi final series might be one of
the most controversial we'll they ever seen because I just
think all the referees at the moment are on a
different page to each other. They're really struggling for consistency,
(04:28):
and you know, it does seem every week we see
Graham and as they're sitting up there apologizing on behalf
of one of the teams, which, look, there's always going
to be some error, mate, But I just think we've
got to get on the right page at the moment,
and they've got to get on the right page quickly otherwise.
You know, this semi final series is going to be
really controversial, sort being.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Very reactionary over the weekend after that non call on Crichton,
suddenly the race all leaned toward maybe seeing players to
the been may you put it on? It just got
a bit more intense, didn't it after what happened on
Friday night? Very reactionary?
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Yeah, it certainly did one hundred percent. Made I think
all the noise around that certainly set of precedent for
the rest of the rest of the weekends football. But again, mate,
you know, look, we're seeing guys getting like nothing more
than a love tap getting sent off. And look, I'm
all for protecting the players and making sure that our
game is in a good position to look after the players.
(05:23):
You know that that's the main thing. But I just
think at the moment, they've just gone to the empty
gree it's just gone way too far. And as I said,
I think the simple thing is at the moment is
if you know, if someone gets hit in the head,
you go to the bin and all the players know that,
and that's that's just the way it is. But yeah,
certainly at the moment, Made, it's there seems to be
just mass confusion around the place.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Well, carry on that in a second. Just going back
to the Wires situation, I've been talking to people saying, hey, look,
this is not an anti Warriors thing. It happens right
across the competition. Do you feel like as an anti
Warriors situation or there being unduly harassed?
Speaker 3 (06:00):
No, I don't think so. Made. As I said, I
think you know, you could go over Graham and as
Lee's reviews every week and I reckon every week. You know,
there's a decision there that's, you know, more or not
more or not. You could argue that's cost a team,
you know, a winning performance.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
You know.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
So I don't think it's just the wise. I do
get when you're a supporter of the club and you're
at the club, Behre, you do feel like that absolutely
but as I said, I think if you went through
Graham and as leads reviews each Monday, that new every
week he's apologizing to a team where there's been maybe
a refereeing. How that's cost a side to your point. Look,
(06:39):
it is a really difficult job, mate, But I just
think now with the bunk, have we slow everything down?
It's you know everything they slow the game the down
and they referee the game and slow ma and you
just can't do that with rugby. League's a fast it's
a fast paced game. It's a contact sport, you know. Yeah,
it's just a difficult one. And to throw another layer
in that now, mate, we've got players laying down anytime
(07:01):
they get tossed on the head. And that's you know,
with the games created that you know, because the players
are just playing within the rules. Now, you know, you
got blokes hold in the back of their next You've
got blokes holding ankles. You've got blokes as soon as
they get touched on the face screaming and yelling at
the ref and laying down. So yeah, look, yeah, I
genuinely have real concerns going into the semi final series
(07:23):
because if they don't fix this in the next couple
of weeks. It's going to cost a team of Grand
final or a semi final spot the next week. So
and if that happens, mate, there's going to be real ramification.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Brent take joins us. I suppose it's all well and
good saying this has to be solved in the next
couple of weeks, But how what actually can or has
to happen? How do you put the genie back in
the bottle? Again?
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Well, I think for a start, you get the bunker
out of it, you know, refereeing the game in slow
mae and going over every single tackle, you know, like
you know that that's one thing or made at the
end of the day. As I said before, you know,
if you hit someone in the in the head and
that's you get sent off, so you know, and that's
just a blanket rule. So but again, we're going to
have a game where everyone's get sent off for ten
(08:06):
minutes because it's a contact sport. You know, at times
you do come up around the head. Whether it's a
big contact or not, it happens. So yeah, look, I
know there's no quick fix for this, but mate, we've
got to get something sorted in the next couple of weeks. Otherwise,
like I said, I've got genuine fears for this semi
final series and it's not going to be perfect. But mate, yeah,
(08:29):
I don't think it's a great look in the game
at the moment when you've got two or three blows
getting sent off every in one game every week.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
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Speaker 2 (08:42):
V K V. Carrington. Here we go. It's only August
and already the discussion is up around which of those
two phenomenal athletes should win sportswomen of the Year and
in turn sports Person of the Year at the Hellberg
Awards early next year. Regardless of what you think about
the Hellberg Awards, and quite frankly, I think it's a
(09:05):
fantastic time for sports feel to get together, have a
couple of sherries and yarn about their sports with each
other because they don't get to do stuff like that.
As far as the Apples the Oranges situation, well, quite frankly,
that's insane, but so be it. We love giving gongs,
we love awards, we love awards ceremony. Want to say
we I mean, most people count me out, but the
(09:29):
Karendon v. Co argument, it's almost impossible to debate. It's
almost impossible to come to any form of consensus around
which athlete is the greatest of the year. When you
look at what Lydia Coe has achieved. Plainly, she's got
an Olympic Gong, a gold medal, and she's joined now
with her silver and bronze. So she's got the box
(09:50):
set in golf. And of course winning at one of
five women's opens just over the weekend in form of
the Open at Saint Andrew's the Grand Old Course. What
a phenomenal result for her. Also, she's now included in
the Golfing Hall of Fame. You don't much better than that.
But what Carrington did, the way she blazed her way
(10:13):
through the three goals in the Olympic Games, we will
never see that again. And if you attach that to
her previous efforts at the Games, that's more than a
freak show. That is quite frankly unbelievable, which is a
term used by so many times for my liking. And
you look back at what Co has done as well,
you think, wow, this might put her up there, remembering
of course that the judges at the Halburg Awards cannot
(10:34):
take into consideration anything that has happened before, even though
they have awarded the gong on that basis on a
couple of occasions, which leaves me cold. So this year,
what happened, Who ruled it? I'll tell you now. I
think they'll lean towards Carrington because it's the Olympic glory.
She's covered herself and that's something about the Halburg Awards.
(10:56):
They absolutely love top class olympians. Lydia Coe, though the
precious has been under the way. She's picked herself, not
only for the golf gold but for Saint Andrews was
really one out of the box. I'd plump for her
if any But quite frankly, I think we need a
proper Hall of Fame and not a Hallberg Awards ceremony again,
(11:17):
apples oranges, plums, cantaloups, whatever. You can't compare the merits
of different sports people in different sports. It is insane.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
The Chamber is now in session on Sportsfix.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
And it's a big welcome on to Thelena, to Clay Wilson,
these news talks, THEBES Sports director and we say, Lena,
we were changing it every week pretty much. We think
the Leena is more accurate than the lounge or the
bunker or the chamber. It's more of a discussion place.
Speaker 6 (11:49):
I feel like Alena is probably a more likely place
for I'm going to give my sporting reckons, you know,
at the bar over the Lina to whoever wants to
listen or or.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Turn around, and they just walk off, and I'm Wilson
had enough of it, right, Let's get into it. Let's talk.
We'll start things off with the US Open. Unfortunate for
lulusun and she is going to be at the ASP Classic,
which is enormous for the organizers of that. I mean,
she's been there before. No one knew she was first
round of the US Open. But nah, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 6 (12:21):
A real shame because for those that have been following
her career since she made that run through Wimbledon and
rose to prominence here in New Zealand. She just made
her first WTA level final just two days ago in
Mexico at one of the leading tournaments to the US Open.
She lost, but everything seemed hunky dory from a fitness perspective.
(12:43):
But at the end of the first set of this match,
she's her first round match she's had to withdraw with
it looks like a glute injury of some description, so
whether she carried it in or not, it doesn't appear
that way. But she obviously wasn't well enough to continue
and has had to withdraw. So a real shame because
that final appearance in Mexico took it at forty one
in the world, her career high, first time jumping inside
(13:06):
the top fifty. So she's at a level now. She's
you know, she's a real contender to make it through
to the last stages of these kind of tournaments. Yes,
she's not a top ten player yet, but you know,
we saw at Wimbled and what she can do so
a lot the way you.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Say, Yet I like that confidence.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Clay.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
She's got that game.
Speaker 6 (13:21):
And she does have that kind of game about her.
You know, if you watch a bit of tennis, she's
especially in the women's game, she's aggressive. She she goes
for her shot, she's not afraid to to have a crack.
And I think that's the kind of game you need
if you're gonna if you're going to really push, push
the envelope and get into that top ten in a
sport like tennis. So yeah, shame, So we'll see how
much she bounces back. She wasn't really help from the
(13:42):
court or anything, so hopefully not too long. Obviously, this
is the last Grand Slam of the year, so we
won't see her in action at a Grand Slam until
fingers crossed the Australian Open in January. But yeah, but
a bit of a shame after she made that final
in Mexico.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
You mention her aggression, there's something else about her that
I really like. She also loves a fight and when
it's not looking good, she stands to go really not
a mind to she hears a crack back again, regardless
of where they are in the game. So she shows
that intestinal fortitude, that ability to hang in there and
actually win games.
Speaker 6 (14:13):
And that's huge, right, also such an important part of
succeeding at the elite level of any sport writers not
just having the game, but you've got to have the
mentality to be able to, you know, when the going
gets tough, the tough get going. So so yeah, I
think promising sign is just a bit of a shame
that her body didn't quite agree with her after that
short turnaround off that recent tournament we had.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Brent taked on just before former Warrior player an RL
player talking about Annesley coming out game look really sorry
that decision was wrong on Friday night, talking of course
about Crichton with the shoulder to the hedge of Roger Twyvasasik.
It's almost a you can't win situation, is it, Because
sometimes you get it right, sometimes you get it wrong.
I'd suggest shoot me here if I'm wrong. But on balance,
(14:55):
they tend to get it right, and maybe we focus
too much on the times it goes wrong, especially if
it's a Warrior.
Speaker 6 (15:02):
Well, fans of sport, we're passionate people, aren't we, you know,
And when our team or our player think they've been
unjustly treated, it's.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
A personal affront. You're attacking me.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
And you know, there's there's long been this theory that
the Warriors more harshly treated than other clubs. And I mean,
maybe the stats over time would back up that they've
had a few, you know, a few more few harsher
calls than others. But I don't know, I don't I
don't think officials at this level go out to make
decisions against one club or for one club, or that
(15:34):
kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Well, just this environment though, either because everybody's looking for it.
There'd be nuts if they leaned into that, wouldn't they.
If anything, they'll go the other way and be kind
to the Warriors.
Speaker 6 (15:44):
I think at best maybe you could argue for some
kind of subconscious bias, but even I find that a stretch.
It's just to me, it's just it's just officials making errors,
and you know when it happens. I think what's amplified
it is that it happened in the warriors last home game,
sold out Mount Smart Stadium. Of course, Shawn Johnson's farewell
farewelling a club legend, and you get a you get
(16:06):
a stinker like that, right, and and so it amplifies
it even more so. But yeah, what can you say
apart from these things are going to happen. Officials aren't perfect,
even when they've got seventeen thousand video replays and ice
cream and shout at the TV as much as the
next person when these things are happening.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
But it's it's what sport is.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
When we're never going to get all of those little
eras out of the game completely.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Remember Nigel Long in the test match between Australia and
New and who was it. I want to say it
was Nathan Lyon. Wasn't it great, big dirty edge? And
Nigel Long said on that could come from anywhere. This
is what we get. Even right in front of you.
People still have blind spots, aren't.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
It doesn't mean that we shouldn't strive for perfection quote
unquote from officials, but the reality is it's not going
to happen. So if it's something that's happening repeatedly, and
I'm not across it enough to know whether this is
something that's been really inconsistent across the whole season in
the NRL, but it certainly has caused a I guess
you know, it's a kind of a big deal when
(17:06):
even in Australia, and it's the worry is that the
people are causing a stink about it. So just just really,
like I say, a real shame that it had to
happen on the occasion it did. But all that said,
it was no guarantee the worries we're going to win
the game anyway that the Bulldogs could well have still
held on.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
But I'd say and by that stage the season gone anyway,
so really doesn't matter. And finally, you see the the
chat around CoV Carrington already ahead of the Halberg's early
next year. I'm not going to say who's the better
sports person because I don't think you can judge that,
(17:42):
But how do you go about judging stuff like this?
To it? Is it really that important to have a
US sportswoman, a sports team, a sports person, a sportsman
of the year.
Speaker 6 (17:51):
I think everyone, at the end of the day is
going to have their own criteria, and I'm not sure
if the Halberg Judges even themselves, are given specific criteria
to work from other than to say, you tell us
what you think, and everyone, I mean your what your
criteria is for the best athlete of the year and
what performance is better than the other is going to
be different to mine and different to the next person
(18:13):
in the office right or the person on the couch
at home. So it's one of those things that I
love the Halberg's. I think we have to have it.
You have to be able to celebrate the success. But
to just celebrate their success probably isn't enough because people,
a lot of people have this innate need to have
a winner.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Well, you couldn't get them up all on stage the
success and give them a nice warm round of applause
and that you know, maybe I don't know a broach
or what cheeks that wouldn't work for you. No, nah,
I don't think. Well, I mean for me personally, I
wouldn't mind. But because I think trying to compare a
lot of these things, I mean doesn't mean that sometimes
(18:52):
there isn't an obvious athlete or team that's performed better
than the other. And some years we do have categories
that are just cut and dry. But in this example,
you're trying to compare someone who's now won what eight
gold medals, won three in a row for a second time,
versus so one who, in an incredibly difficult sport like golf,
has come from completely out of form to winning a
(19:14):
gold medal and then the Women's Open I'm major tournament.
So I mean, how do you weigh those things up?
That's the million dollar question that will never be answered
for me. Clay Wilson, News Talk as ZB Sports Centers,
As always, thanks for your time and opinion.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
Too easy does.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Dissecting the sporting agenda.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
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Speaker 2 (19:37):
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