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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hello that and welcome into the Sports Fixed podcast. As
we charge towards another sporting weekend. It's only Thursday, but
it will be here before you know it. It's Thursday,
April twenty third. I'm Jason Pine and.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
I'm with you on that when I'm Darcy Walwidgrave. Absolutely
a charge. You don't walk toward pressure, you run at
it and tackle it. Right.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
What do they say pressure is a privilege? That's another one.
It's a privilege to be here in this very low
pressure environment, I must say of the Sports Fix studio
with your dars. As we look forward to the weekend,
I want to talk a bit about the Warriors being
in Wellington and also there's a black Caps one day
international happening very very shortly, depending of course on when
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you're listening to this.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
As far as a.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Different voice is concerned, who are you hearing from today?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Piney. In the wake of comments May Malcolm Gilli's part
owner of the Hurricanes, We're going to be joined by
Peter Keene is the chair and also part owner of
the Highlanders.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Very much looking forward to that. The latest sports news too,
so let's get into it. In other news, let's get
you going with lo At some of the big sports
stories around today. A change in position, but not mindset
for Leicester fay Inger Anuku ahead of tomorrow's dabut rugby
match at Christ Churches New Indoor Stadium. He'll start at
open site flanker for the Crusaders against the waror task
to kick off Super Rugby's Super Round.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Look, I'm pretty simple man. A body in front of
me is a body in front of me and that's
all that matters.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Sports Minister Mark Mitchell assists the reinstatement of raylen Castle
as Sport New Zealand Chief Executive for another four years
is a healthy move. She understands sport administration, she understands
what my priorities were and really, you know, my major
priority has been riching more kids, especially those that have
got bearriers in their way.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
And to change.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
At the top of football's Premier League, Manchester City have
moved to the top after a one they'll win over Burnley.
Relief for Pat Bhidy Over are still happy top for
two hundred days, but they are top no longer. Meantime,
Burnley's defeat sees them join Wolves and being relegated for
next season.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Use and a Villian. It's Sportsfix with Jason Pine and
Dussy Walter Grave.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
We're joined now by Peter Keen. He's a chair and
part owner of the Highlanders. As we talk about Malcolm
Gillies and what he had to say about the state
of Super rugby. Get a Peter.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
He going, Darcy, all good.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
You know, all's very very good, always is mate. You've
got to live your life like that. It's all about manifestation. Heye.
Interesting stuff today that the Hurricanes co owner Malcolm Gillies.
He's come out on the Rugby Direct podcast and he
thinks that Super rugby is staggering, if not dying, unless
serious changes are made. So of course I'll ring old
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mate Peter keenup and go Is he on to some
thing here? It's odd that he'd come out and say
it and be so forth right in his statement, but
I suppose it's worth being like that because it's a
very serious subject for rugby here in New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
Well, Super rugby is very serious topic for us, in
particular as owners and for the franchises in New Zealand.
But first of all, I think the point is that
we totally believe in Super Rugby. Still it is a
great competition. Can it be better? Absolutely, it can be better.
Did Malcolm have points in his article? Absolutely? I know Malcolm.
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Malcolm is very new, as he said, into Super Rugby,
but he's not new into business. So there's a lot
of parallels between business and rugby because they do have
clearly a business part to them. So I think it's
fantastic that we have a new broom coming in and
looking at this in Malcolm. It helps us rethink where
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we're going. But we also we're aware that Super Rugby
could be better, so that that would be the first
thing I'd to say. But before we can change, we
have to put up a case for change. So there's
lots of tentacles, I guess, and in the Super Rugby
area we have the you know, the ended RPA, Rugby
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Australia and the like. So it's up to us as
Super Rugby to come up for the case for change
before we can change.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
I believe amongst the group, the owners or the part
owners of these franchises, and you said you talk to
Malcolm the other concerned parties. Is there a sense, is
there a feeling that this is the way to go
and things need to change? And I say that based
on the Canary and the gold mine, which is more
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and Pussyfeker and of course the rebels, this is not
something we're making up. This is something that really has
to be addressed. Is that a general feeling amongst you owners.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
It's a general feeling that the you know, if we
have an new looking super rugby competition, it has to
be investable for investors. So I think the point Malcolm
was making is currently it's very hard to be profitable
in the super rugby set up the way it is
currently now. Most of the people haven't come into to
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make rivers of gold, that's for sure, but they're all
canny and very intelligent investors who are involved. So to
attract more investors and to allow for more investment into
rugby and Super Rugby in particular, to do that, we
need to make it investable. We can't just keep saying
to people we want you to come in because it's
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a charitable thing. So that's the opportunity we have. We
need innovation to happen in the in the game itself.
We need innovation in the competition, and I think, to me,
looking at it, that's sort of boiling the ocean. Is
pretty tough to get massive change. Like Malcolm, I think
he said himself that to change everything would probably be
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nigh impossible straight away. So I would say that instead
of boiling the ocean, we start with the billy or
start with the jug and get change. But I really
do keep coming back to the fact that the Super
Rugby competition needs to be seen as more attractive and
more investable from a business point of view. From the
rugby side of things, I still believe that there's lots
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of very good things happening on the rugby paddocks, some
fantastic games. Rugby is something very dear to most New
Zealander's hard so I think they're probably not that interested
in the back office musics I'm saying, Joe public. But
back to Malcolm's article, he has make some very good
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points and as I say, we're catching up with Malcolm
this weekend, so there's certainly things that we can do better,
and we are looking at it.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
The model that's been around for such a long time
is very much a pyramid, and it was aimed at
looking at the best for ends that are i e.
The All Blacks at all points up. Is that fit
for purpose anymore? That concept? Should all these clubs, these
franchises be only around as feeder teams to the All Blacks,
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because that's how it started, right.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
It is how it started. I think there's still an
element of that because you know, in New Zealand rugby,
the All Blacks are still our pinnacle team, but we
also love and are very passionate about our own respective franchises,
and as are the fans, so there has to be
an element of developing those players. High performance is key
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to Super Rugby, so it's different too. I guess AFL
Rugby League in lots of ways is that the pinnacle
for a lot of players in rugby league is probably
state of origin if they're eligible in rugby union, it's
clearly the All Blacks. So Super Rugby still has to
play a role in that. But as you said, is
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it still fit for purpose? Still fit for purpose for
us to provide All Blacks for sure, and to make
sure our high performance part is up to scratch. Is
the competition still for purpose in terms of the back
office stuff, Well, that's for us to have this case
for change to take to New Zealand, Rugby, RPA, Rugby Australia,
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et cetera.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Dissecting the sporting agenda, it's Sportsfix with Jason Vine and
Darcy Waltergrave.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Well, I was a snot nosed kid said to my
dad once, what do you reckon that's worth? He turned
to me and he goes, whatever someone is willing to
pay for it. End of story. I say this because
the locals are angry. The peasants are revolting. It's the
Ryder Cup. The organizers are defending their decision to dramatically
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lift the admission prices for the event. It's a huge
event in golf, Europe, the United States of America, it's
in Ireland. Last time it was on that part of
the world was to twenty three in Rome. The price
of admission at that version of the Ryder Cup was
roughly five hundred dollars New Zealand for one of the
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three days play. This time around it's nearly one thousand dollars.
People are crying foul. This has really accelerated the cost
of attending golf through the roof. This is no longer
for the common man. European Tour Group's Chief Ryder Cup Officer,
Yeah there's such a title. Richard Atkinson has said, Hey,
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last time there was a Ryder Cup in the States
that it cost you what nearly thirteen hundred dollars New
Zealand to actually go, So you should count yourself lucky.
But that's the nature of major sporting events in this
day and age. You look at the FEEFA World Cup.
The prices for attendance for those games eye watering. When
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you get to the point at end and the final,
take out several mortgages and you might get to go
along sadly. This this is the reality of modern day
professional sport. The vast majority of us will still enjoy
these huge global exchanges, just not in person. We'll be
in the living room watching it on the telly. That
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is the reality of professional sport. It's now only a
place for well healed and well connected individuals, individuals who
have the ability to pay top dollar for it. And
I'll leave you with another one of my father's great
sayings to me as a snot nosed kid. Dad, I'm
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not jumping in that, Paul, it's too deep. Why do
you care you swim on the top.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
The chamber is now in session on Sportsfax.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Into the chamber we go, Well, black Caps. They always
seem to grab my attention. I know they grab yours dars.
They're playing Bangladesh this afternoon in the third and final
One Day International in this three match series. I know
not everybody's absolutely gripped by this, but I'm quite looking
forward to it.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
I can't help myself. It's an addiction and not cricket sport,
and if it's on, I'm there. I'm watching it. Like
you know, gambling on the fly is running up the wall.
I'm there one hundred percent. I think the timing of
this is obviously great for us, if you don't mind
going to be some ridiculous hour. What I do enjoy
about this, I'm sure you the same is it's all
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about the next tier and this is something that his
ell and Cracket has been doing very well for a
very very long time. And I think people have stopped
complaining about it. Oh, it's not the A team, It's
only the B or the C team. It's not the
number one team. In order to keep success coming at
the top of the world, you need to have that
backed up. And I get to watch this and see
this on the TV, the next generation coming through and
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some of the old generations who are still trying to
stick around. So I only see pleasure in this.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Right, I'm exactly the same a bas Foxcroft Clarks and
Nathan Smith's been around for a bit longer. Lennox o'roqu
are very keen to watch him whenever he bols. But
as you say, dusk, there's that sprinkling experience. Tom Latham's
Will Young is there, Henry Nichols is there, Blair Tickner
is there. So I'm enjoying watching this, this very fresh
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looking combination playing against Bangladesh. You know what else I'm
enjoying too. They're not just four hundred v four hundred.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
I like a.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Battle between bat and ball, and we're.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Getting that in this series. Apparently in this game though
this venue, you bat first, you lose, so you're going
to win the toss. That's the way that roles. But
it's much more a better friendly as opposed to the
last fixture, which wasn't So it might be a bit
more of a run fest this time around.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Okay, well, I'm looking forward to it regardless. And then
they go into three twenty twenty internationals as well, So
look as you, I think absolutely noil to doce. It's
looking at some new players. It's the depth building as
others have franchise commitments or unavailability and you know.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Reality, isn't it. That's the way it works. And I
want to see how these guys perform under pressure. And
you have only bang that Bangladesh at home are very
hard to and they've got some wonderful players. This is
one of their best teams right and we get to
experience fox Cough for example. So how are you going
to deal with this? And they need this experience desperately,
especially on the sub continent because let's face it, it's
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all cricketers these days.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
I'm living in Wellington, as you know, you live in Auckland.
Normally the Warriors are where you are. Today they've landed
where I am ahead of their match on Saturday at
are sold out Henry Stadium against the Dolphins. G I
know the fine rugby league supporting folk of Wellington and
a lot of others as well, curious sports watchers are
looking forward to this one. Wins in the last two
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weeks over the Titans and the Storm. I guess you
could call them bogey teams to a certain degree. We've
never beaten the Storm and we don't usually beat the Titans.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Come on a bit over the top. Okay, once in
seventeen thousand years, that's right. Dolphins.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I don't know. Again, they should beat the Dolphins. I'm
sure the tab odds, without looking at them, would have
the Warriors as favorites against the Dolphins.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
I feel like it's more about the occasion that that
wherever the Warriors go now they can sell out the venue.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Well, that's that the Warriors can do something that the
All Blacks can't do. That's sell out Wellington Stadium or
Henry Stadium. What does that say? Does it say? It's
about sparsity, it's about the quality of the football, it's
about winning, it's about the crowd reaction. I'm not quite
sure how you underline the fact that they are doing
something quite bizarre, the Warriors in Wellington. You've got any
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ideas they're a Wellringtonian. We'll put it this way down.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
See she say that the scarcity of it put it
that way. Okay, the Warriors only play here very you know,
very they very rarely do they play here the only
time this year. So yes, scarcity. The All Blacks are
only playing here once this year as well, so there's
a scarcity of All Blacks content if you want to
call it that here in Wellington this year. The opposition
Italy not quite as attractive as playing against Australia or
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South Africa, for example. But I just think the Warriors
have just latched onto this wonderful, magic, indefinable formula that
says wherever the Warriors go, the crowds will turn up.
It doesn't matter if they have won last week or not.
It doesn't matter if they're playing well or not. It
doesn't matter who they're playing against in that game. The
Warriors equals sellouts. What a place to be.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Yeah, and unabast that. They've got a massive bandwagon and
they've got plenty of rooms. They've had extra carriages to
their bandwagon. They want people to come on up long
term Warriors supporter, short term and interested bystander, it doesn't matter.
They want Peterle to engage, be part of the party
and be part of this Upswelling League love here, Peter
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the land is Can we have another team? Indeed? Can
we have two more? Can we have one Wellings and
one in Christ?
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (15:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Maybe let's let's try and get one more first, but yeah,
all I know is that there's a huge ground swell
of excitement here in the Capitol ahead of the Zanzac
Day clash against the Dolphins on Saturday, set to be
an absolutely marvelous occasion and hopefully the Warriors can respond
by winning their third match in a row. I think
we've just about covered everything we needed to in the
chamber today.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
That's us in the sold out chamber today. Did you
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Speaker 2 (17:07):
Right, I haven't and on the road from christ Tunes
this weekend. Yeah, where are I mean? Isn't that crazy?
The Warrior has come to Wellington and I leave Wellington.
I'm the only guy going the other way, but for
good reason. Now to christ Us for Super Rugby, Super
Around and the opening of the new one New Zealand
Stadium at Tikkaha. Really looking forward to that midday toll
three Saturday, midday till three on Sunday, dus.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Looking forward to it.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Jay.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Always good to listen to you doing the hard work
by I'm enjoying my weekend. Look after yourself.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
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