The All Blacks have entered a new era, as a new coach has been confirmed.
Dave Rennie has been confirmed as Roberston's replacement, and he's detailed his desire to dig into the legacy of the All Blacks culture-wise...and he has a firm idea of shifts they can make tactically too.
Former All Black Brodie Retallick joined D'Arcy to explain what Rennie can offer the All Blacks.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Dancy Wildergrave
from News Talk z'd.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Be talking at Dave Rennie, the new All Black coach,
And I've got a guy on the line who knows
more than a few things about Dave Rennie right from
the get go, right up until now. His name is
Brody Retallic aka Guzzler G. You are hard to get
hold of, bro Thanks very much for joining us.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Yeah, no worries. It's actually our bye week over here
and it's been one of those busy days. But well,
it's great to be on and speak to the game.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I love to hear that, Brody. So Dave Rennie gets
the role, people rejoice. You've got a great history. He
packed you first up for the Chiefs, didn't he back
in the day.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Yeah, he did. Actually, he was my first coach when
I went to the Chiefs in twenty twelve. So it's
funny how rugby works sometimes. He's now my coach back again.
And so had a long standing our relationship with Reinsets
for sure, and you.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Went on to win the title. You did it again
the next year, so obviously it So what makes Dave
any such a good coach?
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
And I guess at the time of been my first
year and my first sort of professional coach, I I
didn't underestimate I understand how much work he actually does.
But I think the bottom line to sum up rends
as he has all the things in place in terms
of culture and running a team, but he will leave
no stone and I think that's what sticks out the
(01:31):
most to me. A thrends that he will literally go
as far as he needs to do and does what
he needs to make a team perform.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Would you describe him as an old school coach because
he presents as quite a scary character and being an
ex school teacher, I'm sure he's got a lot of
a strap about him as well. Does he get a
bit tough on it?
Speaker 3 (01:50):
He does a little bit. He sometimes he gets a
bit tough on it over here in Japan at times
too when he gets a bit frustrated when we don't
quite get things right, but in a good way. You know,
he gets around you when he needs to and harsh
when he needs to perform.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
And as far as with all of the different players,
because they're dealing with quite a few different nationalities over
in Kobe, it's pretty seems for him to transition between
the needs and the wants.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Yeah, and I think like maybe what's put him into
the position he is now. He's come to Kobe and
we before we arrive, we finished ninth, then we finished
seventh and then third, and we're currently sitting second on
the table about halfway through our season. So he come
here with a clear plan and of how he wanted
to play the game, and a clear plan around recruitment
and players he wanted to put in place. And you know,
(02:37):
I think that's starting to come to fruition for him now,
which is obviously what you want from a good coach,
but also pleasing for him.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
The fact that he's been away for such a long time.
I'm presuming this works in his favor because now he's
been to Glasgow, he's coached Ossie, he's over in Japan now,
so he brings a lot of weapon with him, doesn't he.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Yeah, definitely, And I think, you know, we obviously talk
about the plane, the good times he's had, but he's
had some harsh learnings when he was dealt with the Wallabies,
and you know, I'm sure that probably scarred him a
little bit, but I think he would have grown from
that and I see that in his coaching now, like
the wealth of knowlogy has from being amongst those different
environments to be the product he is now.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
It would appear that the strength of day Ready, and
he mentioned this today in the press conference, is his
ability to surround himself with the right people. He's not dictatory,
doesn't take it all on his own back. He works
well with a number of different coaching stuff. Have you
been watching that at Coby.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Yeah, definitely. I think it's a real strength. And you
know he's brought people in that he worked with over
in Scotland and Europe into Kobe and he still works
with Phil in a physio that he's been with from
New Zealand. And like you say, he's surrounded himself with
quality of people, which against and from his point of view,
makes his job easier, but from a player's point of view,
(03:58):
it gives us a level of coaching that is, you know,
in theory, it's well classed the coaching group that we
have here for a Japan team, and that's that's down
to him.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Really, Well, you're an old dog. He's an old dog.
Are you both exchanging new tricks? Is he up to
your game? Since he's been there with what he can contribute.
Is it basically thrilling you, Brodie as you move through
your career saying home, this guy's given me a huge
amount of energy. Is that about right?
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Yeah? Definitely, I think, yeah, touched on it. He's got
clear expectations from his players, and I guess I still
had the drive to perform and want to perform my best.
But I like Renz has always done and has always said,
I'll coach you good or bad and keep challenge you.
And I think as I've got older, especially as an
older player and a coach that keeps challenging you to
(04:47):
be better and want them to be better, plays a
mess apart in the game.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Well you're not that old. Well you're only thirty four, Brodie,
Come on, guzzler.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Yeah, well, I mean the boys run around these days
half pretty old.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
That's okay. Later, this is this thing, Brad Thorne. I mean,
you'll be fine. You're going to go on forever. Hey, Look,
today in the press conference, questions were asked around yourself,
and indirectly you could hear Dave Rennie saying, well, I
wouldn't mind maybe picking someone from overseas, and then of
course he leaned on you. So the chances of you
(05:22):
coming back Brodie retallic. Have you considered a return to
all black rugby.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Yeah, I even had my mum text me about that,
so he's kind of throwing me out there. But honestly,
I've put no consideration to it, to be fear like,
under the current rules, and when I left New Zealand Rugby,
I knew that you couldn't be packed from abroad and
I was happy with that, so I haven't put much
considerate if it changes. I mean, maybe it's a conversation,
but as of now, I think it's probably he said that,
(05:50):
but it's probably all here saying until there's actually a
platform place.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
If that was the case, well you're waiting for a
phone call from Dave so you can say, bro you
threw me under a bus mate, what were you thinking?
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Well, actually we all live in the same part of
lock over here and he's one story apart. So when
he's back to knock on his door, yeah, er to
celebrate first.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
It may recorded for me. I want to play it
on air to be fantastic. What about the state you're
in because you've scored falls of tries. I think you're
the leading tri scorer over in Japan that top league
at the moment. He said that you're playing the best
rugby you've played now, With all due respect to that
top league, it's not quite all Black League. But as
far as your motor, your fitness, the way you're developing,
(06:33):
would you be in a position if possible to maybe
come back and play at the World Cup.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Yeah, I'm not too sure. I mean, I've really benefited
from having a longer off season in Japan and giving
my body time to recover after each season. Over here,
we're kind of playing four week blocks and then having
a bye week. So it's probably the thing I found
that held me back or as I left news in
rugby was as I got a little bit older, I
(07:00):
just didn't recover as quick. And I think probably the
major benefit of having my body where it isn't and
been able to keep up with some of these quest
players over here as that recovery recovery time. So yeah,
I don't know, to be honest, it's a messive question
mark there whether I was still good enough if the
thing was to happen.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
You know, well, we're the bloody media, so of course
we're going to ask you uncomfortable questions like that, Hey,
have you been watching much of Super Rugby? You check
the form of Josh Lord at the moment. He's just
like a little version of you, bro.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Yeah, it's I have been watching it the last couple
of weeks, have been on the trains into Tokyo for
our games and seeing the Chiefs and Crusaders go back
to Battle and Hamilton there was awesome And you know,
I like to say off Lordie. He'd probably come off
the back of a great indiear till last year and
seems to be carrying it on. So yeah, I saw
him coming to the Chiefs of the young Guy and
Battle with a few injuries, but it's great to see
(07:51):
him performing and got his body right, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
It is indeed, Hey, will let you go so happy
that you joined us. You made us run. I tell
you what, We've been chasing you around eight hours now,
but it was worth it and the long run. I
think you should come back play all white rugby and
I reckon he said out. We'll check a V eight
in for the deal.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Now we're talking. Good on ya, Gusa.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Thanks for your time, mate, You go well talk Cheers
see you.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
For more from sports talk, listen live to news talks
it'd be from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Dancy Wildergrave
from News Talk z'd.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Be talking at Dave Rennie, the new All Black coach,
And I've got a guy on the line who knows
more than a few things about Dave Rennie right from
the get go, right up until now. His name is
Brody Retallic aka Guzzler G. You are hard to get
hold of, bro Thanks very much for joining us.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Yeah, no worries. It's actually our bye week over here
and it's been one of those busy days. But well,
it's great to be on and speak to the game.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I love to hear that, Brody. So Dave Rennie gets
the role, people rejoice. You've got a great history. He
packed you first up for the Chiefs, didn't he back
in the day.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Yeah, he did. Actually, he was my first coach when
I went to the Chiefs in twenty twelve. So it's
funny how rugby works sometimes. He's now my coach back again.
And so had a long standing our relationship with Reinsets
for sure, and you.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Went on to win the title. You did it again
the next year, so obviously it So what makes Dave
any such a good coach?
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
And I guess at the time of been my first
year and my first sort of professional coach, I I
didn't underestimate I understand how much work he actually does.
But I think the bottom line to sum up rends
as he has all the things in place in terms
of culture and running a team, but he will leave
no stone and I think that's what sticks out the
(01:31):
most to me. A thrends that he will literally go
as far as he needs to do and does what
he needs to make a team perform.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Would you describe him as an old school coach because
he presents as quite a scary character and being an
ex school teacher, I'm sure he's got a lot of
a strap about him as well. Does he get a
bit tough on it?
Speaker 3 (01:50):
He does a little bit. He sometimes he gets a
bit tough on it over here in Japan at times
too when he gets a bit frustrated when we don't
quite get things right, but in a good way. You know,
he gets around you when he needs to and harsh
when he needs to perform.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
And as far as with all of the different players,
because they're dealing with quite a few different nationalities over
in Kobe, it's pretty seems for him to transition between
the needs and the wants.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Yeah, and I think like maybe what's put him into
the position he is now. He's come to Kobe and
we before we arrive, we finished ninth, then we finished
seventh and then third, and we're currently sitting second on
the table about halfway through our season. So he come
here with a clear plan and of how he wanted
to play the game, and a clear plan around recruitment
and players he wanted to put in place. And you know,
(02:37):
I think that's starting to come to fruition for him now,
which is obviously what you want from a good coach,
but also pleasing for him.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
The fact that he's been away for such a long time.
I'm presuming this works in his favor because now he's
been to Glasgow, he's coached Ossie, he's over in Japan now,
so he brings a lot of weapon with him, doesn't he.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Yeah, definitely, And I think, you know, we obviously talk
about the plane, the good times he's had, but he's
had some harsh learnings when he was dealt with the Wallabies,
and you know, I'm sure that probably scarred him a
little bit, but I think he would have grown from
that and I see that in his coaching now, like
the wealth of knowlogy has from being amongst those different
environments to be the product he is now.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
It would appear that the strength of day Ready, and
he mentioned this today in the press conference, is his
ability to surround himself with the right people. He's not dictatory,
doesn't take it all on his own back. He works
well with a number of different coaching stuff. Have you
been watching that at Coby.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Yeah, definitely. I think it's a real strength. And you
know he's brought people in that he worked with over
in Scotland and Europe into Kobe and he still works
with Phil in a physio that he's been with from
New Zealand. And like you say, he's surrounded himself with
quality of people, which against and from his point of view,
makes his job easier, but from a player's point of view,
(03:58):
it gives us a level of coaching that is, you know,
in theory, it's well classed the coaching group that we
have here for a Japan team, and that's that's down
to him.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Really, Well, you're an old dog. He's an old dog.
Are you both exchanging new tricks? Is he up to
your game? Since he's been there with what he can contribute.
Is it basically thrilling you, Brodie as you move through
your career saying home, this guy's given me a huge
amount of energy. Is that about right?
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Yeah? Definitely, I think, yeah, touched on it. He's got
clear expectations from his players, and I guess I still
had the drive to perform and want to perform my best.
But I like Renz has always done and has always said,
I'll coach you good or bad and keep challenge you.
And I think as I've got older, especially as an
older player and a coach that keeps challenging you to
(04:47):
be better and want them to be better, plays a
mess apart in the game.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Well you're not that old. Well you're only thirty four, Brodie,
Come on, guzzler.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Yeah, well, I mean the boys run around these days
half pretty old.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
That's okay. Later, this is this thing, Brad Thorne. I mean,
you'll be fine. You're going to go on forever. Hey, Look,
today in the press conference, questions were asked around yourself,
and indirectly you could hear Dave Rennie saying, well, I
wouldn't mind maybe picking someone from overseas, and then of
course he leaned on you. So the chances of you
(05:22):
coming back Brodie retallic. Have you considered a return to
all black rugby.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Yeah, I even had my mum text me about that,
so he's kind of throwing me out there. But honestly,
I've put no consideration to it, to be fear like,
under the current rules, and when I left New Zealand Rugby,
I knew that you couldn't be packed from abroad and
I was happy with that, so I haven't put much
considerate if it changes. I mean, maybe it's a conversation,
but as of now, I think it's probably he said that,
(05:50):
but it's probably all here saying until there's actually a
platform place.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
If that was the case, well you're waiting for a
phone call from Dave so you can say, bro you
threw me under a bus mate, what were you thinking?
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Well, actually we all live in the same part of
lock over here and he's one story apart. So when
he's back to knock on his door, yeah, er to
celebrate first.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
It may recorded for me. I want to play it
on air to be fantastic. What about the state you're
in because you've scored falls of tries. I think you're
the leading tri scorer over in Japan that top league
at the moment. He said that you're playing the best
rugby you've played now, With all due respect to that
top league, it's not quite all Black League. But as
far as your motor, your fitness, the way you're developing,
(06:33):
would you be in a position if possible to maybe
come back and play at the World Cup.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Yeah, I'm not too sure. I mean, I've really benefited
from having a longer off season in Japan and giving
my body time to recover after each season. Over here,
we're kind of playing four week blocks and then having
a bye week. So it's probably the thing I found
that held me back or as I left news in
rugby was as I got a little bit older, I
(07:00):
just didn't recover as quick. And I think probably the
major benefit of having my body where it isn't and
been able to keep up with some of these quest
players over here as that recovery recovery time. So yeah,
I don't know, to be honest, it's a messive question
mark there whether I was still good enough if the
thing was to happen.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
You know, well, we're the bloody media, so of course
we're going to ask you uncomfortable questions like that, Hey,
have you been watching much of Super Rugby? You check
the form of Josh Lord at the moment. He's just
like a little version of you, bro.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Yeah, it's I have been watching it the last couple
of weeks, have been on the trains into Tokyo for
our games and seeing the Chiefs and Crusaders go back
to Battle and Hamilton there was awesome And you know,
I like to say off Lordie. He'd probably come off
the back of a great indiear till last year and
seems to be carrying it on. So yeah, I saw
him coming to the Chiefs of the young Guy and
Battle with a few injuries, but it's great to see
(07:51):
him performing and got his body right, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
It is indeed, Hey, will let you go so happy
that you joined us. You made us run. I tell
you what, We've been chasing you around eight hours now,
but it was worth it and the long run. I
think you should come back play all white rugby and
I reckon he said out. We'll check a V eight
in for the deal.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Now we're talking. Good on ya, Gusa.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Thanks for your time, mate, You go well talk Cheers
see you.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
For more from sports talk, listen live to news talks
it'd be from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio
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