After two decades, former All Black Doug Howlett's test try has been broken.
All Blacks outside back Will Jordan scored a hat-trick in the 47-17 win over Italy, overtaking Howlett for the New Zealand test record with 50 tries.
Howlett joined Piney to express his relief in having his record beaten.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Dancy Waldegrave
from News Talk ZEDB.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
For close to two decades, Doug howlittt has been the
All Blacks all time leading Test triscorer.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
There's big Test touch looked at this twent two seasons and.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Test now Allen CD, Here's hatts, here's why to McDonald
the nuts through for how that has got on the
pace and Doug Hallett's gets his first opportunity and he cashes.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
In heavens Conrad Smith major Well, Hallett's.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Another one for Doug Hallett's Well, that is tryam.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
For forty nine knocking on the door of siding here.
That was his forty ninth and final Test try against
Romania at the two thousand and six and Rugby World Cup.
Forty nine tries in sixty two Test matches for Doug Hallett,
But on Saturday night Will Jordan went past him and
scored his fiftieth. Doug Hallett is with us. Thanks for
(01:18):
spending some time with us, Douggie. What was your reaction
when you watched Will Jordan's score that fiftieth Test try
and move past your record?
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Yeah, look, that's probably a bit of relief to the
honest the last few games watching him play, we knew it.
It was imminent that he was going to take the record,
So it was a bit of you know, putting me
out of my misery.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Really, records are made to be broken. But was there
still a bit of was there still a part of
your thought, you know what, I quite liked having that record.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Ah yeah, Look, news said it that they're made to
be broken. Nineteen years as a long o stint, So
you know, I'm proud to have held it for that long.
And you know, somebody else has turned out to take
the bit on and take it on, and I'm sure
he's got many more tries in him.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
It was always going to be a top quality player
who went past to you by this particular metric. So
is there a degree of satisfaction at least in seeing
it broken by someone who you know as a genuine
world class player. Ah?
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Yes, And you have to be able to sort of
get to that level of tries for the All Blacks.
You look at that top five, the top ten list,
you know, it's a pretty exciting bunch. And no doubt,
you know, Will the way he's playing at the moment.
The way he's sniffing out tries is work and skills.
He's most deserving of this record at the moment.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
In recent times and many teams wingers have become massive,
big men. They rely a lot on their pace and
on their power, but Will Jordan is not a big,
big guy. How important is game awareness and how big
a strength of Will Jordan's is it?
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Yeah? I think it's a It's an underrated skill for
a lot of players these days, especially young players. You
know that came away and it's a lot of a
lot of young players in particular working on their strength
and their speed their skills. But you know what rugby
and really studying it and learning you know where the
ball is going to be before it actually gets there.
The skill that Will obviously has and it shows with
(03:15):
as try Telly, and not only the try he gets,
but also the tries that he's giving the last pass off,
he's well ahead of the game and predicting where the
ball's going to be.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
You had that as well, Douggie. You know, you had
this incredible anticipation and yeah, if it wasn't you scoring
the try, it was you giving the last pass or
at least even being in and around to be the
first one to celebrate. I always remember those celebrations and
that huge smile of yours. Can you coach that anticipation
or is it something that the very best players just have.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I think it's a mixture of all things. You have
to have an ability to read the game, there's no
doubt about that. But second to that, there has to
be a huge fitness level. You know, the work rate
has to be immense to sort of be around the
ball constantly. And we only see the tries that are scored,
but you know for each try there's probably six, seven, eight,
(04:06):
nine and runs that go unseen where you don't get
the board. So you've got to just keep running those
lines to ensure when it does pop up, you're there.
And then you've got to have the finishing ability, you know,
once you do get that last pass, to be able
to sprint away or beat a man or chip and
chase and regather. So you know, there's there's multiple things
that play that allow you know, wingers and outside backs
(04:28):
or rugby players in general, I guess, to get to
the tryline.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
And you played with some incredible creators. Tana Umanger, Christian Cullen,
who've got a lot of tries himself, of course, Carlos Spencer,
even Mills Mulliana. How important is the team around a
prolific try scorer.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
It's the most important thing, you know, And you know
some of my best memories are turning around after scoring
tries and seeing the smiling faces because you know, every
one of them, you know, played a role in getting
me over the line. And the mindset you know I
had as a player was, you know, my job is
to finish opportunities. So you know, these guys putting all
(05:06):
the hard work and especially upfront the line outs for scrums,
the ruts and malls, Tanno drawing in two players and
giving me an off note. Now, I owed it to
them to sort of get over the line, whatever it took.
So you know, that's how I saw my role and
that's what I based my game on, as finishing off opportunities.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
I remember, though, you giving the final pass more than once, Dougie.
You know, I remember you, you giving off the final pass,
and I think of myself, if you'd held on to
that dummed and gone again, we might still have a
record holder here talking to me now for at least
I've a couple of tests anyway, And look, you go.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Back and you talk about the what if, what if
I held that, what if I did this? But look
that's the beauty and the records being broken. So look,
I'm happy for Will and I'm happy for the team
that he's playing and at the moment because they're all
deserving at the.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Stage, absolutely just to finish. When you look back on
your own career, I mean, forty nine test tries, it's
an incredible number and a lot of guys have tried
to go past you and haven't been able to. What
are you most proud of when you think about your
time in a Black Jersey? What resonates and is most
vivid with you?
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Oh, look, the memories made, the friendships, the experiences that
I was exposed to. You know, I think there was
there was a time there where I sort of you
know went from you know, sort of young adult to man,
you know, through through the Black Jersey. So you know,
really privileged to have had that experience and you know,
really high pressure environments. So you know that's really really
(06:30):
hit us up well, you know, moving into future beyond Rugby,
but also in raising my own children, and young athletes
that I train. There are some lovely skills that are
transferable and that I can pass on.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
You brought a lot of people a lot of joy, Douggie,
both here and up in Ireland when you were playing
up there as well, mate, but particularly in the Black Jersey. Yeah.
Like I said, they've been chating you for a while. Well,
Jordan might have gone past you, but your legacy is secure. Mate.
Thanks for having a chat to us tonight.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Great the chat to you appointment.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Thank you, No, thank you, Dougie, Dougie Howett. There forty
nine test tries. I guess the other thing is that
Bowden Barrett could also go past doug Howlett at some point.
You forget, don't you. Bodenbarri's got forty five tries? Forty
five is that right, Andy? Forty five tries for Boden Barrett.
I've sort of been looking at these numbers quite a
bit in the last little while, and they're all sort
(07:17):
of molding into one. I know there's a group in
and around that sort of forty six forty seven kind
of area, not forty seven forty six. I know Boden
Barrett is there or thereabouts with forty five, we had
Christian Cullen, Joe Rocococo, Julian Saville. If you want to
talk about Dougie Hallett for a start, it was the
(07:39):
first time I've ever spoken to him. I've said to
Andy a few times we should have a check at
doug Hawlett. He always kind of finds a reason not
to do it, and I think that's because we want
to talk to him about himself. But when the opportunity
came to talk about Will Jordan, he was happy to
do it, which I think is quite telling. So yeah,
great to get the chance to chet to him. Fantastic
little chat with Dougie Pine, he says. This text Verious
(08:02):
stutentis commentary.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
For more from Sports Talk, listen Lived and News to
It Said b from seven pm weekdays, or follow the
podcast on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Dancy Waldegrave
from News Talk ZEDB.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
For close to two decades, Doug howlittt has been the
All Blacks all time leading Test triscorer.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
There's big Test touch looked at this twent two seasons and.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Test now Allen CD, Here's hatts, here's why to McDonald
the nuts through for how that has got on the
pace and Doug Hallett's gets his first opportunity and he cashes.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
In heavens Conrad Smith major Well, Hallett's.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Another one for Doug Hallett's Well, that is tryam.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
For forty nine knocking on the door of siding here.
That was his forty ninth and final Test try against
Romania at the two thousand and six and Rugby World Cup.
Forty nine tries in sixty two Test matches for Doug Hallett,
But on Saturday night Will Jordan went past him and
scored his fiftieth. Doug Hallett is with us. Thanks for
(01:18):
spending some time with us, Douggie. What was your reaction
when you watched Will Jordan's score that fiftieth Test try
and move past your record?
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Yeah, look, that's probably a bit of relief to the
honest the last few games watching him play, we knew it.
It was imminent that he was going to take the record,
So it was a bit of you know, putting me
out of my misery.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Really, records are made to be broken. But was there
still a bit of was there still a part of
your thought, you know what, I quite liked having that record.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Ah yeah, Look, news said it that they're made to
be broken. Nineteen years as a long o stint, So
you know, I'm proud to have held it for that long.
And you know, somebody else has turned out to take
the bit on and take it on, and I'm sure
he's got many more tries in him.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
It was always going to be a top quality player
who went past to you by this particular metric. So
is there a degree of satisfaction at least in seeing
it broken by someone who you know as a genuine
world class player. Ah?
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Yes, And you have to be able to sort of
get to that level of tries for the All Blacks.
You look at that top five, the top ten list,
you know, it's a pretty exciting bunch. And no doubt,
you know, Will the way he's playing at the moment.
The way he's sniffing out tries is work and skills.
He's most deserving of this record at the moment.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
In recent times and many teams wingers have become massive,
big men. They rely a lot on their pace and
on their power, but Will Jordan is not a big,
big guy. How important is game awareness and how big
a strength of Will Jordan's is it?
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Yeah? I think it's a It's an underrated skill for
a lot of players these days, especially young players. You
know that came away and it's a lot of a
lot of young players in particular working on their strength
and their speed their skills. But you know what rugby
and really studying it and learning you know where the
ball is going to be before it actually gets there.
The skill that Will obviously has and it shows with
(03:15):
as try Telly, and not only the try he gets,
but also the tries that he's giving the last pass off,
he's well ahead of the game and predicting where the
ball's going to be.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
You had that as well, Douggie. You know, you had
this incredible anticipation and yeah, if it wasn't you scoring
the try, it was you giving the last pass or
at least even being in and around to be the
first one to celebrate. I always remember those celebrations and
that huge smile of yours. Can you coach that anticipation
or is it something that the very best players just have.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I think it's a mixture of all things. You have
to have an ability to read the game, there's no
doubt about that. But second to that, there has to
be a huge fitness level. You know, the work rate
has to be immense to sort of be around the
ball constantly. And we only see the tries that are scored,
but you know for each try there's probably six, seven, eight,
(04:06):
nine and runs that go unseen where you don't get
the board. So you've got to just keep running those
lines to ensure when it does pop up, you're there.
And then you've got to have the finishing ability, you know,
once you do get that last pass, to be able
to sprint away or beat a man or chip and
chase and regather. So you know, there's there's multiple things
that play that allow you know, wingers and outside backs
(04:28):
or rugby players in general, I guess, to get to
the tryline.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
And you played with some incredible creators. Tana Umanger, Christian Cullen,
who've got a lot of tries himself, of course, Carlos Spencer,
even Mills Mulliana. How important is the team around a
prolific try scorer.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
It's the most important thing, you know, And you know
some of my best memories are turning around after scoring
tries and seeing the smiling faces because you know, every
one of them, you know, played a role in getting
me over the line. And the mindset you know I
had as a player was, you know, my job is
to finish opportunities. So you know, these guys putting all
(05:06):
the hard work and especially upfront the line outs for scrums,
the ruts and malls, Tanno drawing in two players and
giving me an off note. Now, I owed it to
them to sort of get over the line, whatever it took.
So you know, that's how I saw my role and
that's what I based my game on, as finishing off opportunities.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
I remember, though, you giving the final pass more than once, Dougie.
You know, I remember you, you giving off the final pass,
and I think of myself, if you'd held on to
that dummed and gone again, we might still have a
record holder here talking to me now for at least
I've a couple of tests anyway, And look, you go.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Back and you talk about the what if, what if
I held that, what if I did this? But look
that's the beauty and the records being broken. So look,
I'm happy for Will and I'm happy for the team
that he's playing and at the moment because they're all
deserving at the.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Stage, absolutely just to finish. When you look back on
your own career, I mean, forty nine test tries, it's
an incredible number and a lot of guys have tried
to go past you and haven't been able to. What
are you most proud of when you think about your
time in a Black Jersey? What resonates and is most
vivid with you?
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Oh, look, the memories made, the friendships, the experiences that
I was exposed to. You know, I think there was
there was a time there where I sort of you
know went from you know, sort of young adult to man,
you know, through through the Black Jersey. So you know,
really privileged to have had that experience and you know,
really high pressure environments. So you know that's really really
(06:30):
hit us up well, you know, moving into future beyond Rugby,
but also in raising my own children, and young athletes
that I train. There are some lovely skills that are
transferable and that I can pass on.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
You brought a lot of people a lot of joy, Douggie,
both here and up in Ireland when you were playing
up there as well, mate, but particularly in the Black Jersey. Yeah.
Like I said, they've been chating you for a while. Well,
Jordan might have gone past you, but your legacy is secure. Mate.
Thanks for having a chat to us tonight.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Great the chat to you appointment.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Thank you, No, thank you, Dougie, Dougie Howett. There forty
nine test tries. I guess the other thing is that
Bowden Barrett could also go past doug Howlett at some point.
You forget, don't you. Bodenbarri's got forty five tries? Forty
five is that right, Andy? Forty five tries for Boden Barrett.
I've sort of been looking at these numbers quite a
bit in the last little while, and they're all sort
(07:17):
of molding into one. I know there's a group in
and around that sort of forty six forty seven kind
of area, not forty seven forty six. I know Boden
Barrett is there or thereabouts with forty five, we had
Christian Cullen, Joe Rocococo, Julian Saville. If you want to
talk about Dougie Hallett for a start, it was the
(07:39):
first time I've ever spoken to him. I've said to
Andy a few times we should have a check at
doug Hawlett. He always kind of finds a reason not
to do it, and I think that's because we want
to talk to him about himself. But when the opportunity
came to talk about Will Jordan, he was happy to
do it, which I think is quite telling. So yeah,
great to get the chance to chet to him. Fantastic
little chat with Dougie Pine, he says. This text Verious
(08:02):
stutentis commentary.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
For more from Sports Talk, listen Lived and News to
It Said b from seven pm weekdays, or follow the
podcast on iHeartRadio.
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