Dave Rennie has been named the next coach of the All Blacks and he'll be leading the team into the 2027 Rugby World Cup in Australia.
He's got 18 months until the tournament to make a real difference, leaving experts speculating about his chances.
Former Wallabies coach Eddie Jones reckons he can make a difference, and he joined D'Arcy to discuss.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Dancy Wildergrave
from News Talk ZEDB.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
So Dave Rennie is the next coach of the All Blacks.
Like he's been in the job for over twenty four
hours now. He's a shoe and he's all good. He's
going to lead the team to the twenty twenty seven
Rugby World Cup in Australia. But roughly a year and
a half until the tournament, So is that enough time
to prepare the team, to put in place his plans
(00:35):
to get a team all running and pointing in the
same direction, to maintain the same assistant coaching staff. Well,
I don't know. I want to talk to someone and
now who's probably got a rough idea. He's a former
coach of England, of Japan, half Australia back at Japan
again now. His name is Eddie Jones. He joined us
now to discuss Eddie, welcome to the show.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Trust you Well, oh hey boys, all right, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Very happy we're looking forward to this brave new world
under day. He's just been given the job as the
All Black coach. I suppose the first thing I've got
to ask around this eighteen month lead up to the
World Cup. Is that enough time for him to make
a significant difference and win the damn thing?
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Well.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
I think the great thing about Dave he's a very
experienced coach and if you look at his track record
Chiefs Tech, Glasgow Tech or Edinburgh, whichever side he coached
in Scotland, he did well, Kobe in Japan tick you know,
the only muddling performance was Australia. And if you look
(01:43):
Australia the last twenty years, doesn't matter who's been in
the chair there, nearly everyone's had the same same issue.
So he's got a great track record. Experienced coach obviously
understands New Zealand rugby. Will you know, came through from
ITM Cup to Super Rugby.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
He's been through the hoop. I think anyone can do it.
He can do it, mate.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
The fact that he spent a lot of time outside
of New Zealand and out of the weeds of New
Zealand's rugby, that is a big plus for him. I'm
presuming he's coming and unfitted.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Yeah, I think so, mate.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
I think he'll come in with a clean slate and
I think the players will feel that. I think, you know,
one of the things that it's funny, you know, having
done having had the same experience with Scott Robinson. When
you've been at Super Rugby and you've won, you know,
your players come with you that you've won with and
they expect you to be the same coach. But it's
(02:41):
impossible to be the same coach at the Crusaders or
the Brumbies as you are at New Zealand or Australia.
And so when he changes, you lose those players a
little bit. And whereas Dave's been out of the scene,
he will come in. Everyone will think they've got a chance.
Everyone will think he's neutral. You know, it'll it'll just
be an easier staff for him, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
The expectation around him bringing all of this globally is
pretty deep. But when you look at the Northern Hemisphere specifically,
they've got the edge on the Southern Hemisphere and I'm
calling the South Africans the Northern Hemisphere right now. He
understands that place. So that will bring a lot to
(03:22):
the site about where the greatness of the rugby world
is at the moment. It's not all about New Zealand
being trailblazers. In fact, it's the other way around.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Now, yeah, well again mate, If you look at the
history of the New Zealand cases over the last period,
Graham Henry and Steve Hansen both had stints in Wales,
and I think they benefit from that Northern Hemisphere experience
and days the same. You know, he'll come in, he's
got he knows the game up there. It's easier for
(03:50):
him to understand the trends in the game and I
think they will really help him.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
When you took the role from Dave Rennie and you
arrived in the sheds the first time with the waller Bees,
do you ask much about their impression and what day
really left them with it? Was he a popular individual?
Speaker 4 (04:12):
I think he's highly respected, mate, highly respect them popular.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
I think he did a very good job.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
And I think that's been the case everywhere he's gone.
You know, he's a good rugby man, got good knowledge,
good with people, very culturally in touch and certainly I
think taking out of the all black all black job,
as difficult as it is, you couldn't have someone better
prepared for it.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Eighteen months eighteen seventeen nineteen, give or take. It seems
like a short amount of time, but this is not impossible.
Like you got handed on a plate, I think you
had a similar time didn't work out for you. Ressie
Erasmus got handed a similar time period and he got
it worked out. This whole concept of a four year
cycle does it carry much weight anymore?
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Ready?
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Look, I think it does in terms of selection, that
you're able to sort the players over four years. But
if you look at the job that Scott Robinson did,
you know selection has moved on under him. I think
no one can doubt about that. The number of young
players who've come through, and so some of those players
are now you know, ten test players, so they'll you know,
(05:26):
they can go to the World Cup now with maybe
twenty five thirty tests and you know, that's the sort
of level experience you want.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
And I think Dave will have enough campaigns.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
You'll have the well the Old Rugby Championship now, which
is a South African tour. So having that South African
tour will be outstanding for him because they'll have a
lot of time with the players.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
They'll be together. You know, it can work out.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
Who's in the room, who needs not to be in
the room, who needs a bit of adjustment to be
in the room and then they've got the Northern Hemisphere
tour as well, so he's got two good tours to
work with and that gives him plenty of preparation time.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
He Jones joins us, Dave bringy, you said, Look, I'm
based on my support crew. I work with a very
tight bunch of me and I have done for a
long time. So he'll be bring his own group of
assistants to the to the side. How important is that
the gelling of that assistant staff, and is want to
keep a very similar arrangement. He moving on some of
(06:23):
the assistants that are allready there. That's that's key, right.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
It's become very much like professional soccer in that way.
You know, you hear about the good soccer coaches, all
their assistant coaches just sit around until he gets the
job and then they go with him and they can
come in straight away put their system in place. And
you know, Dave's done that to a large degree in
Scotland and in Japan, had his own people with him
(06:50):
and enables you to get on the front foot much quicker.
And I think you know the other thing that's happened
in rugby is that there's been a periferation of assistant cases.
You know, we've gone from having two to now most
teams have four, and I think the more so having
all creates more communication issues. But you need that sort
(07:11):
of detail now, So having people who's worked with Day
previously will again will be an advantage for him.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Scott Robertson, People complain because at some stages like well,
I'm not really coaching, I'm a culture coach. I'll leave
that to mister Hanson. He's doing a lot of that.
So you can have too many cooks for your broth.
The need for Dave Rennie to put us foot down.
I am the boss, that's also important.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Yeah, I don't think there'll be any doubt about that.
And I think, you know, I think what Scott said
was he'd probably regret having said it like that, you know,
because in a way most coaches are like that. You know,
the head coach is the big picture. He's painting the Michaelangelo,
whereas the assistant coaches are putting all the paint down
(08:00):
and working out the detail. Yeah, and that's the way
it's always been, and so I just think it was
may may be badly explained.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Okay, with that Japanese rugby in the time that Dave
spent over there, and of course you'd know that. Well, now,
what do you think the best aspects of Japanese rugby
that he can take out and apply to what the
All Blacks are up to, Because that league, I think
it was three out of the last four World Rugby
Players of the Year spent time playing in Japan. So
(08:30):
it's not a backward league, is it.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Yeah, well, I think it's to me, it's an old
Super rugby, like when Super rugby was fast and attacking.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
And defense was there.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
But yeah, you didn't get defense until really until the finals, which.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
A bit like NBA. Yeah, you look at NBA and it's.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
All attacking to you get the finals, then teams start
playing defense and the league went up here is the same,
and I think, you know, there's still a place in
the game to move the ball quickly, with pace and.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
With cohesion, and you know that's one thing you get
to do a fair bit of as you used to
do in Super rugby, you doing League one up here.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
But the guy has been unbelievable for him made has
been retallic like he's thirty five and he just plays
every game as a test match. And he's still one
of the best players in the world, so I'm sure
of it. Some days you'll have a chat to him
and say, oh mate, you know you come back for
one more go.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Well, we had Brady Rutellik on the show last night
and he reckons that Dave chucked him under a bus
and he's probably going to have to go up a
floor and have a chat with him when he gets time.
He's happier for what he's doing there.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
And I'm sure so all.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Black shape wise.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Right now, we don't know what's that.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
We don't have the assistant coach, we don't know what's going on,
and you're selling rug with it's no ceo. There's a
number of words out there. But now that we've got
this to find and done and sit in Stone to
just put them in a much better shape to attack
for the World Cup. Now there's some kind of continuity
and we know what's happening.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Uh. Look, yeah, I think you've picked the experienced coach.
He'll get on with the job, you know, As I said,
I think previously I think Scott Robinson got a pretty
hard deal.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
But it's done and dust that you've got to move
on now.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
And I reckon you couldn't have a better man in
place to take you forward.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
And on that note, mister Jones, well, thank you very
much for your time your availability as always. Now please,
as a favor to all of us here, can you
not roll Reny again and come and take over the
all black job.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
I don't think that'll be happening. Made good only voice.
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
For more from Sports Talk, listen live to News Talks
it'd be from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Dancy Wildergrave
from News Talk ZEDB.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
So Dave Rennie is the next coach of the All Blacks.
Like he's been in the job for over twenty four
hours now. He's a shoe and he's all good. He's
going to lead the team to the twenty twenty seven
Rugby World Cup in Australia. But roughly a year and
a half until the tournament, So is that enough time
to prepare the team, to put in place his plans
(00:35):
to get a team all running and pointing in the
same direction, to maintain the same assistant coaching staff. Well,
I don't know. I want to talk to someone and
now who's probably got a rough idea. He's a former
coach of England, of Japan, half Australia back at Japan
again now. His name is Eddie Jones. He joined us
now to discuss Eddie, welcome to the show.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Trust you Well, oh hey boys, all right, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Very happy we're looking forward to this brave new world
under day. He's just been given the job as the
All Black coach. I suppose the first thing I've got
to ask around this eighteen month lead up to the
World Cup. Is that enough time for him to make
a significant difference and win the damn thing?
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Well.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
I think the great thing about Dave he's a very
experienced coach and if you look at his track record
Chiefs Tech, Glasgow Tech or Edinburgh, whichever side he coached
in Scotland, he did well, Kobe in Japan tick you know,
the only muddling performance was Australia. And if you look
(01:43):
Australia the last twenty years, doesn't matter who's been in
the chair there, nearly everyone's had the same same issue.
So he's got a great track record. Experienced coach obviously
understands New Zealand rugby. Will you know, came through from
ITM Cup to Super Rugby.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
He's been through the hoop. I think anyone can do it.
He can do it, mate.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
The fact that he spent a lot of time outside
of New Zealand and out of the weeds of New
Zealand's rugby, that is a big plus for him. I'm
presuming he's coming and unfitted.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Yeah, I think so, mate.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
I think he'll come in with a clean slate and
I think the players will feel that. I think, you know,
one of the things that it's funny, you know, having
done having had the same experience with Scott Robinson. When
you've been at Super Rugby and you've won, you know,
your players come with you that you've won with and
they expect you to be the same coach. But it's
(02:41):
impossible to be the same coach at the Crusaders or
the Brumbies as you are at New Zealand or Australia.
And so when he changes, you lose those players a
little bit. And whereas Dave's been out of the scene,
he will come in. Everyone will think they've got a chance.
Everyone will think he's neutral. You know, it'll it'll just
be an easier staff for him, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
The expectation around him bringing all of this globally is
pretty deep. But when you look at the Northern Hemisphere specifically,
they've got the edge on the Southern Hemisphere and I'm
calling the South Africans the Northern Hemisphere right now. He
understands that place. So that will bring a lot to
(03:22):
the site about where the greatness of the rugby world
is at the moment. It's not all about New Zealand
being trailblazers. In fact, it's the other way around.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Now, yeah, well again mate, If you look at the
history of the New Zealand cases over the last period,
Graham Henry and Steve Hansen both had stints in Wales,
and I think they benefit from that Northern Hemisphere experience
and days the same. You know, he'll come in, he's
got he knows the game up there. It's easier for
(03:50):
him to understand the trends in the game and I
think they will really help him.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
When you took the role from Dave Rennie and you
arrived in the sheds the first time with the waller Bees,
do you ask much about their impression and what day
really left them with it? Was he a popular individual?
Speaker 4 (04:12):
I think he's highly respected, mate, highly respect them popular.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
I think he did a very good job.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
And I think that's been the case everywhere he's gone.
You know, he's a good rugby man, got good knowledge,
good with people, very culturally in touch and certainly I
think taking out of the all black all black job,
as difficult as it is, you couldn't have someone better
prepared for it.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Eighteen months eighteen seventeen nineteen, give or take. It seems
like a short amount of time, but this is not impossible.
Like you got handed on a plate, I think you
had a similar time didn't work out for you. Ressie
Erasmus got handed a similar time period and he got
it worked out. This whole concept of a four year
cycle does it carry much weight anymore?
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Ready?
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Look, I think it does in terms of selection, that
you're able to sort the players over four years. But
if you look at the job that Scott Robinson did,
you know selection has moved on under him. I think
no one can doubt about that. The number of young
players who've come through, and so some of those players
are now you know, ten test players, so they'll you know,
(05:26):
they can go to the World Cup now with maybe
twenty five thirty tests and you know, that's the sort
of level experience you want.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
And I think Dave will have enough campaigns.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
You'll have the well the Old Rugby Championship now, which
is a South African tour. So having that South African
tour will be outstanding for him because they'll have a
lot of time with the players.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
They'll be together. You know, it can work out.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
Who's in the room, who needs not to be in
the room, who needs a bit of adjustment to be
in the room and then they've got the Northern Hemisphere
tour as well, so he's got two good tours to
work with and that gives him plenty of preparation time.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
He Jones joins us, Dave bringy, you said, Look, I'm
based on my support crew. I work with a very
tight bunch of me and I have done for a
long time. So he'll be bring his own group of
assistants to the to the side. How important is that
the gelling of that assistant staff, and is want to
keep a very similar arrangement. He moving on some of
(06:23):
the assistants that are allready there. That's that's key, right.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
It's become very much like professional soccer in that way.
You know, you hear about the good soccer coaches, all
their assistant coaches just sit around until he gets the
job and then they go with him and they can
come in straight away put their system in place. And
you know, Dave's done that to a large degree in
Scotland and in Japan, had his own people with him
(06:50):
and enables you to get on the front foot much quicker.
And I think you know the other thing that's happened
in rugby is that there's been a periferation of assistant cases.
You know, we've gone from having two to now most
teams have four, and I think the more so having
all creates more communication issues. But you need that sort
(07:11):
of detail now, So having people who's worked with Day
previously will again will be an advantage for him.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Scott Robertson, People complain because at some stages like well,
I'm not really coaching, I'm a culture coach. I'll leave
that to mister Hanson. He's doing a lot of that.
So you can have too many cooks for your broth.
The need for Dave Rennie to put us foot down.
I am the boss, that's also important.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Yeah, I don't think there'll be any doubt about that.
And I think, you know, I think what Scott said
was he'd probably regret having said it like that, you know,
because in a way most coaches are like that. You know,
the head coach is the big picture. He's painting the Michaelangelo,
whereas the assistant coaches are putting all the paint down
(08:00):
and working out the detail. Yeah, and that's the way
it's always been, and so I just think it was
may may be badly explained.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Okay, with that Japanese rugby in the time that Dave
spent over there, and of course you'd know that. Well, now,
what do you think the best aspects of Japanese rugby
that he can take out and apply to what the
All Blacks are up to, Because that league, I think
it was three out of the last four World Rugby
Players of the Year spent time playing in Japan. So
(08:30):
it's not a backward league, is it.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Yeah, well, I think it's to me, it's an old
Super rugby, like when Super rugby was fast and attacking.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
And defense was there.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
But yeah, you didn't get defense until really until the finals, which.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
A bit like NBA. Yeah, you look at NBA and it's.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
All attacking to you get the finals, then teams start
playing defense and the league went up here is the same,
and I think, you know, there's still a place in
the game to move the ball quickly, with pace and.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
With cohesion, and you know that's one thing you get
to do a fair bit of as you used to
do in Super rugby, you doing League one up here.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
But the guy has been unbelievable for him made has
been retallic like he's thirty five and he just plays
every game as a test match. And he's still one
of the best players in the world, so I'm sure
of it. Some days you'll have a chat to him
and say, oh mate, you know you come back for
one more go.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Well, we had Brady Rutellik on the show last night
and he reckons that Dave chucked him under a bus
and he's probably going to have to go up a
floor and have a chat with him when he gets time.
He's happier for what he's doing there.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
And I'm sure so all.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Black shape wise.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Right now, we don't know what's that.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
We don't have the assistant coach, we don't know what's going on,
and you're selling rug with it's no ceo. There's a
number of words out there. But now that we've got
this to find and done and sit in Stone to
just put them in a much better shape to attack
for the World Cup. Now there's some kind of continuity
and we know what's happening.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Uh. Look, yeah, I think you've picked the experienced coach.
He'll get on with the job, you know, As I said,
I think previously I think Scott Robinson got a pretty
hard deal.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
But it's done and dust that you've got to move
on now.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
And I reckon you couldn't have a better man in
place to take you forward.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
And on that note, mister Jones, well, thank you very
much for your time your availability as always. Now please,
as a favor to all of us here, can you
not roll Reny again and come and take over the
all black job.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
I don't think that'll be happening. Made good only voice.
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
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