February 11, 2025 • 42 mins
D'Arcy Waldegrave returned to wrap this week's sporting news, On today's agenda:
Gregor Paul - NZ Herald Rugby Writer - On NZR entering a legal battle with sponsors INEOS
Ben Goodale - Sports Marketing Expert - Why did NZR bring INEOS on board in the first place?
Ben Maller- Fox Sports Radio Host Los Angeles - On Luke Doncic suiting up for the LA Lakers.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Welcome into sports Talk. Great have you on board seventh
Top seven it is. It's a Tuesday evening, eleventh of
February twenty twenty five. Good evening. I'm busy Watergrave. Wonderful
to be back in the city gain after a couple
of days of lying around in the sun cooking. My
sorry carcas coming up on the program this evening. They
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got a few hits for you, as we call them
in the trade. We're going to have in the program
of the chat with my great American friend from Fox
Spot Radio, Big Ben Maller looking back at Luka Doncic
in La Lakers' colors for the very first time after
(01:16):
he was basically hooked from Dallas. That's it. You're living
in California and our son Playball, will find out how
he went, what he did, what the crowd reaction was,
like Ben Maller joining us toward the end of the show,
We're going to a double head at the start of
the program, this is on the news that and he
also being taken to court by n z R failure
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to pay what they owe and they want to cut
their contract short. Unhappy they are, indeed, Gregor Paul, New
Zealand Herald at Rugby writer joins us shortly to discuss
that battle, and then we'll take a look at it
from a marketing point of view. Ben good Ale joins us.
He's from Quantum Jump Marketing. He's the CEO. They're a
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sports marketing group. He'll talk to us about the vagaries
of sports marketing and contract and then we'll get your thoughts. O.
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty insida. I should probably be
a little more careful who they sell their brand too,
should they not? Sometimes it's a win win situation, Sometimes
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it's a win lose situation, and sometimes it's just a
train wreck. Do they need to be more careful? Is
it about taking the highest bidder or taking the bidder
that's less likely to cause them trouble down the line
that we'll talk about that being good Ale will join us.
Gregor Paul would join us shortly and right toward the
end from Fox Sport Radio, mister Bean at Meller. But
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before he commence, let's do this today. Can a sport today?
All black and blue? Caleb Clark caused the Murna ruckets
last week when he chose to make himself unavailable for
Super Rugby Pacific's new toy, that's the Fantasy League. Contrary
to popular belief, though, this wasn't a George Michael thing.
(03:06):
Some people think that it's like a religious or faith thing.
Going to say, no, it's not just sitting their record
straight because I don't want people to start getting the
wrong idea. It's just a personal preference and how I
wanted to do it, so it wasn't a matter of
faith dance. Sorry. Black Cap Daddy Conway scored runs ninety
seven the makes You Overnight as his team tracked down
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and clubbed a young South African saving Fokistan. He's treasuring
the chance to feel the leathery willowed flock before the
Champions Trophy gets its party. Frock On.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
It's a great opportunity for us to play in this
tri series here in Pakistan.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
It's great preparation.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
Not only training on these facilities, but having the opportunity
to play in the middle is great for us leading
into the Champions Trophy.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Center Back turf billiard player Nando Pinakair is on track
to make an unexpected earlier return to Auckland FC gaffer
Corrica outlines the Pastry Thiefs project ahead of his possible
reintegration against Eastern United on Saturday.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
Training by himself obviously as you saw today, but he
will be traveling and we'll give him an opportunity to
train on Friday and if he's fit for Friday, he'll play.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
And christ fallen quarterback Patrick Mahomes gave due credit to
the Eagles, who craft the over as chiefs yesterday's Super Bowl.
Kansas City's Mahomes was a dumpster fire who got owned
on the grid iron by a superb defensive effort from Philadelphia.
Speaker 7 (04:35):
They played great from start to finish. They got after it.
Defensive line played really well, the DB's played well to
compliment them, and linebackers as well. And so I can't
turn the ball over early in the game when it's
not going our way and might have to learn from
that and try to be better the next opportunity that
I hopefully get.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
And that's the sport today. Letting past is seven. Let's
head on into now. The deal or the lack of
deal between New Zealand Rugby and massive petro chemical company
Ennios pact. The SAD decided not to pay and they
don't want to on with their contract. They're going to
go to court. The or Blacks or ends that are
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taking them to court. Gregor Paulina is on here. Rugby
analyst joins us. Now welcome Gregor. Look, this is a
this is a scary situation for the Orblacks right now.
Speaker 8 (05:20):
You it's definitely not a good one. I don't know
if it's scary. It's commercially important. Two things are commercially
important here. One, the deal itself is reasonably significant for them.
I think it's slightly closer to ten million a year
that they're taking from Minios, which is not an insubstantial
amount of money for them. And if they lose it,
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which they have, you know, that will need to be
found somewhere else. So that's going to be challenge number
one for them. But really the much bigger challenge here
is protecting the reputation and putting a message out to
the world that says, look, we can't have billionaires decide
arbitrarily or unilaterally that they don't want to carry on
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with an existing deal for whatever reason, spurious best and
we need to protect ourselves, and we need to say
that we won't be bullied, we won't be pushed around,
and if you renege on a deal for no good reason,
we're going to take you to court and we're going
to let the law decide whether you have the right
to do that or not.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
So, in essence, this is posturing that they would like
some form of result, because as you've see, close on
ten million dollars, that's quite the hole and dig their
way out of. But it's very much a scene of saying,
don't mess with us, and we're going to go through
the law.
Speaker 8 (06:32):
This is a stance I think primarily, certainly initially it's
a message to not only to any ofs but to
any other future potential commercial partners that this is where
things will end up if we do not abide by
the contract and if we do not, you know, live
by the law. Anyone knows you once you go to
court proceedings, you don't know what the outcomes are going
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to be.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
In a case like this, they will argue.
Speaker 8 (06:56):
Any us will argue that whatever that you know, they
were let down by the terms of the agreement. They'll
say and said, oh, I didn't fulfill them and said,
I will say it did, and a court will try
and determine you know, who's right, who's right, and what
the solution might be.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
Now, that could take a long time.
Speaker 8 (07:09):
That could rack up, you know, significant legal fees for
the union with limited possibility of what they will get
in return or what a settlement might look like with
any or so you're going to weigh up the risk
and the reward, you.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Know what that might look like.
Speaker 8 (07:24):
And how long do you want this to carry on for?
You know, before you're willing to pull the pin. And
you get the impression that when you're a billionaire and
you've got sort of infinite depth to your pocket, you're
probably going to gamble that an organization like nz R
isn't going to want to have a prolonged, expensive legal
battle with you because they can't afford to do that
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in the way that you can.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
That's why I said, scary. We know that there's not
a lot of cash on the ground for end Z
are should they engage? I suppose they can walk if
it gets too expensive, But this could be long and pricey.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Yeah, it could be.
Speaker 8 (07:59):
And maybe what they're hoping is by filing the court action,
by going public with it. Maybe that will bring Anyos
and Sir Jim to the table to say, look, okay,
what would it take for this to come out of
the courts?
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Can we make a settlement here? What would you agree to?
Speaker 8 (08:17):
You know, maybe they agree a full and final payment
that says, okay, you don't want to be our partner anymore.
How about you pay you know, eighteen months of the
contract and we'll let you out the other eighteen months.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
That's fifty you know, fifty percent of.
Speaker 8 (08:29):
What you ass and we could we do a deal
round about that sort of price point and you know,
leave it in a in a state that doesn't take
both organizations time, effort, money and cause them reputational damage.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Gregor Paul joining us. Gregor, so, will we see Anyos
on the shorts and the training gear this year? We
have to wait to the court case finishes. How does
that operate? Do you know?
Speaker 4 (08:54):
No, they won't my understanding again, they won't appear.
Speaker 8 (08:57):
So the invoice was sent to ANOS at the end
of last year for the second half of twenty four.
That invoice was due on the first of January. That
hasn't been paid. You would now say their account is
in arrears. Within say it are. So there's two issues here. One,
they haven't paid for services delivered that relate to twenty
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twenty four and now they've cut the deal arbitrarily, you know,
actually cut that three years ahead of its natural expiry date.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
So that's the second part of the legal challenge.
Speaker 8 (09:29):
So I guess if nothing else new Zealand Rugby would
expect that invoice that they filed late last year, they
would expect that to be paid minimum, you know, as
part of this action.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
So Jim Redcliffe's not broke, is he. Know, he's got
Manchester United, He's starting his own America's Cup team, So
he's hardly crying poverty, is he.
Speaker 8 (09:50):
No, he's not broke, but I get the impression he's
a little bit broken. I mean he's behaving in a
way that I don't think is healthy for sport.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
You know, you.
Speaker 8 (10:02):
Sport needs money and needs benefactors, and for whatever reasons
at ten to be attracted to these big egotistical billionaires
who love vanity projects, who love you know, the power
the control that having sponsorship or ownership gives them. When
they then operate outside the rule of law as they
feel that they can it becomes a very dangerous place
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for sport to find itself, damage his reputations, lowers trust,
It makes everybody vulnerable, and I think he needs to
accept that that he's a guy that says he wants
to put back he loves sport. You know, he was
happy enough to jump into bed with the All Blacks
because he said they were a great brand and they
aligned with the values of INOS. We probably needs to
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go back and remember that and think about why he's
behaving in the way that his well I presume it's
to him, by the way, rather than Inos, and he
needs to answer why he thinks it's okay to just
pull the plug on the sponsorship.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I thank you, Gregor. That's Gregor Pool, sports writer rugby
writer from New Zealand Herald, with his view on the
issue between the company and the union. Right, let's take
it now down a marketing line. Ben good Ale joins
us now sports marketing experts CEO of Quantum Jump Marketing.
Speaker 9 (11:17):
Ben good Evening today, Darcy. Great to be here and
thanks very much for joining us. This situation between I
can only presume a rather irate Sir Jim Ratcliffe, his
massive company Ineos and n zaid Ah, Well, that's reached
quite their head. I want to look at it from
a marketing point of view. First up, what does any
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you stand to gain by having their names on the
backsides of the All Blacks? Ineos is not exactly a
brand that we all go out and buy tomorrow. So
why the All Blacks and what.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Do they get?
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Well, I guess the All Blacks are globally seen as
a brand of excellence. You know, they are peak athletes,
they are coached perfection most of time, and they you know,
they globally they are have seen. You know that they
are par excellence. So if you're gonna, you know, try
and marry up with a brand like that, you know,
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whether you're Annios, Pepsi, you know IBM, whoever.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
You know they if you want to.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
Lean into that those brand attributes the All Blacks are perfect.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Well, but we know IBM and we can go out
and buy IBM product. We know Peeps and we can
go and buy PEPSI, go and buy an Nios.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
I know, I mean, I guess, yeah, you don't, you
don't really go by I mean, but also, you know,
why is he why? Why what does have a team
in the America's Cup and you know, I mean, we
know why it's get what. We know why it's got
involved in Manchester United because he's a lifelong fan and
that's a real passion play. But I guess if you
think about look at it another way, that the because
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of what we all black stand for, they can be
those attributes that that they have when and he also
may be talking internally to their teams. You know, you
imagine an all marketing point of view, and you know
why if we it would be all blacks, because they're
about you know, great teamwork, great team spirit, cutting edge
use of medical science, whatever you want to go into,
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and that you know, there's great storytelling that they can
bring those all black stories through and say that's why
we're partnering with them. And so even internally and then
maybe when they're talking about business partnerships between enos and
industry partners again they can bring those other attributes through.
So you know, and he's not the money. So I mean,
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you're right, you can't go and buy an inios, but
sometimes brands, you can't buy a sponsoring a sponsoring teams
as well.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
It's not aimed at the great hand wash saying go
and buy in any as as. I yeah, it was
a bit of fun when I said there, it's more
aimed the bigger section, more as I suppose cut through
at an international corporate level. Were the name behind the
All Blacks you listen to us?
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (14:03):
Yeah, And also I mean the other aspect and it
came up when the deal was originally done and is
probably part of how this has led to the today's
news is. But you know, there's an arguably you could
say there's a bit of green washing going on around
you know, New Zealand, Clean Green, great reputation globally for that.
The All Black's very much participant in that any of us.
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You know, it's a petrochemical company, plastics, it's you know,
it's industrial and there's a bit of a disconnect there.
So I know at the time there was a lot
of debate about why why were they All Blacks doing it?
Why were they reunion getting into bed with a company
that was in you know, maybe potentially from a values
point of view, not so aligned, But you can see
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why they would want to do it because it shows
that they know they are aligning with a very wholesome
brand and you know, the New Zealand's brand globally as
being you know, a green, perfect country.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
How hard is it going to be for ends that
are to actually replace this money. Yeah, it's going to
years to get it, isn't it. And once the wheels
are in motion, what next?
Speaker 4 (15:10):
Well, they've got two propers.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
First of all, I wouldn't fancy taking on gym An
the legal stash and the other you're right, I mean
they but it was interesting because it did raise eyebrows
when they went with it, and you would think that
there would be other brands globally who would love to
sponsor the All Blacks, So I mean they do. It
was interesting why they you know, why do they go over.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Your some time?
Speaker 5 (15:32):
And maybe they were presumably they were the highest bidder
and it's hard to believe they didn't have other options,
but maybe the duration of the term because what was
it six years? Was it eight million a year that
they put. Regardless of that, you know, the I would
have thought they can replace it. It's just replacing it
at a drop of the hat. It is hard, you know,
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there's you know, is it a fire sale they're going
to have to do?
Speaker 1 (15:57):
No need for the DMO. We've got the breakdown on
sports Talk call.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
News Talk.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Twenty to After seven Sports took on News Talk z
b CEO of Quantum Jump there sports marketing expert being
good Ale, talking about where to now in the sponsorship
space for the All Blacks after what has been a
It's been a reasonably fraught time, hasn't it. Plainly, this
is huge for the All Blacks. It's not massive for
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said Jim Ratcliffe as he has pots and pots and
pots and pots of cash. As we know Endz are don't.
This is hard on the heels of the end of
the thirty year sponsorship with Ford. It came to an
end at the end of last year as the parties
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couldn't reach a new agreement. Steinlager, who have been around
sponsoring the All Blacks since I don't know when. In fact,
they used to have jersey sponsorship, which is quite a
rarity back in the day. They are still working Line Breweries,
the people who produce steinleg INSI are still working with
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Line around the partnership, looking at exploring other options because
these names not on that mid year schedule the Steinlagers series.
There's another issue. Then you look across at the other
major sponsor related to the All Blacks and whether that
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has got any legs and how long that will stand?
Is there a lesson here around who you deal with
and who you sell your rights to. Ideally the highest
bit of wins, but at what cost? Prices one thing?
Cost is another thing. This could be a very long,
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very expensive, a very exhausting time for end z Are.
And then of course you've got the packet erm in
the Parliament, the elephant in the room, which is the
silver Lake deal. It's gone very quiet recently. And what
deal was that long term for New Zealand rugby because
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that paid dividends? Is that working? Is that going to
end up being troubled too? I mentioned it when it happened.
Charlotte wants is pound of flesh and you'll probably get it.
So the ends that I need to be more careful
whether they're selling the brand to they're selling this product too,
because I don't think they're being very careful at all.
I think they're seeing cash before anything else. That's a worry.
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Speaker 11 (19:22):
That is z B z B.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
We've got a new captain for the one New Zealander Warriors,
which Barnett's been given the job. James Fisher Harris is
the vice captain. You call him a vice captain? Is
he a co captain? Where are the other two? By
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referencing the Hurricanes, we've got four captains now. I still
don't know how any of this works.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Flick the coin, argue with the ref whoever it is.
But there it is Mitch Barnett first. I suppose that
Fisher Harris second? Does that makes it anyway?
Speaker 4 (20:02):
It's there.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Twenty nine minutes after seven. Let's jump to the phones now, Chris.
Speaker 12 (20:09):
Are you how are you doing this?
Speaker 2 (20:12):
I'm doing very very well start of a great week.
Speaker 12 (20:16):
Absolutely about and yours and the captains in the in
the regular league.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
And us.
Speaker 12 (20:24):
I saw the advertisement on the back of our shorts
and on our jerseys during training, So they are going
to have to cough up some money. What what I
don't get is when you're a business, like if you
sponsor a sports team, you can write that off versus
your attack, so you pay less tax because it's an
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expenditure to your business. So he was either going to
give it to the government Great Britain or to us.
So I don't understand why he's flipped his coin and
gone mental about this. I'd love to hear from the
man himself to be honest.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Well, he's been approached by us anyway, nothing as yet
from them. You'd think that any of us might come
out with something. I mean, I feel like a flippant reasons.
You could say he's just a bit pissy because then
he's yelling team beat him in the America's Cup. So
he's taken it out of the All Blacks. Look, he's
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having trouble with Manchester United. He owns a bit of that.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Now.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
The fans absolutely hate him. They're calling him worse than
the Glazers, which is quite something. He's falling apart with
being ange a couple of nights having a crap. They
should should get the jousting sticks out. So that's four
on apart. I wonder if things aren't well with Jim himself.
Speaker 12 (21:43):
Well, everywhere he's treading, he's pusson on people and he's
fallen out with Team GB for the America's Cup for
the next regatta, so any of us has gone from that,
then he's trying to do this with us. I'm like,
what's going on with this fella? So let's hope we
can get some.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Hope.
Speaker 12 (22:04):
There's a current journalist that the me can get a
phone called through the women.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Matter how much tellent with God? If I don't answer
the phone, why am I talk to? Is not what
I can do about that? Christmas? Thanks for that bag
later Government.
Speaker 12 (22:18):
Yeah, London correspondent, get over there, knock on his door.
I was going to say about the captaincy of the
Warriors just before I go, I'm glad they gave it
to Bennett because he's been the team for a few
years and he got to call up the origin. He's
respected by the guys and Fisher Harris was on a
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TV interview over here in Australia and he was basically saying, oh,
I don't want to just walk into a new team
and be the captain because I haven't earned my strikes
for the Warriors, even though I have them at ten rates,
like I could approve myself to these lads. But the
fact that he's the deputy captain.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
He's the co captain. I saw it come through Bannit
and then Fisher Harris and maybe he's the assistant of
the vice but now they are co captains, which is
very fascionable in this day and age. I'm not quite
sure if I agree with that.
Speaker 12 (23:11):
Hurricanes the Hurricanes. Yeah, I'm just going to say, the Hurricanes,
you've got twenty two captains and one other player this year.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Wait till you get down south. Did an Eden and
the heart has announced that the entire Zoo are their captains?
It could be Chris, Thanks very much.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
For your call.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Yeah, why they've decided at any us to actually cut
a drift the All Blacks? Did it not bring them
enough money? Was it not the coverage or the association
they wanted. It's not like they're selling more petrol. As
I said, you can't go out and buy it any
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of us. That makes no difference. It's all about this
swagger in the boardroom with a name on the side
of the all blacks check us out. Like your thoughts
on that, they don't seem to have been He's in
a rugby very careful this spot recently.
Speaker 11 (24:07):
Hi, Paul, you know Garcia. You're speaking of captains. We
used to captain of the New Zealand Rugby mister Mark Robinson.
I mean, why isn't the front it have been approached
apparently according to one news does any or thing fell
three months ago? So we see back up playing, we
see a new sponsor just in case.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
As I believe, it's not a matter of knocking on
a door and saying can you give me ten million?
It's actually it takes a couple of years, I'd expect
when they found out that it was looking cantaloup shape,
they started looking at their second option. But now it's
official that they'd taken them to court. Well, on a
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legal standpoint, how can they go and get someone else
while they're still battling this bloken court?
Speaker 11 (24:54):
Yeah, that's the points. But the thing is do I
mean when you strip it all down, you know, regardless
of what anyone says, you've got four you've taken back
to their cars, the silver like deals of Debarcle. Let's
go to via ag who's the broadcast to any of
us have pulled out? You know, you've got the unions
that are bloody up in arms. No one's going to
the game's live, I mean, and then Matt Robinson sits
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there and he talks about fan centric and learnings and
where everything's great. We've got all this money, you need
the reality. I just don't understand how he's still got
his job, to be honest, mate.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
It's really hard to look at the trajectory of New
Zealand rugby in the last few years under his stewardship
because it's not all him. Let's face it, he is
the figurehead, but you can't give him a glowing reference
or a glowing report on the way it's all going.
And they had a number of different issues they had COVID,
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The list goes on. But the report's not looking good.
Speaker 11 (25:50):
Is it, Paul. Well, it's like it's like a government,
you know, the prime minister. You know, if people if
they're not before and they get thrown out. This guy
is still there traveling the real drinking champagne and shaking hands.
But the reality is the game's in trouble, mate the
game regard. That's what people think, the games in trouble.
But it's therefore all to see. Why does it becoming
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or any us pull out of it? Are such a
major brand like the All Blacks and Forward and sky
TV reduced their money and so forth.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
That there might be a common denominator And then I
don't know, because we don't know. It's really hard to
come to any form of assumption because that's all it
will be. But it doesn't look good. The scorecard does
not look good.
Speaker 11 (26:33):
Well, Darsie, I remember commentators saying, you know, if you
build your organization from the top down, which they have,
you know, everything pin hinges on the All Blacks. Once
the All Blacks start losing and they just become another team,
nobody sees them.
Speaker 13 (26:46):
The AWA is gone.
Speaker 11 (26:47):
Everything else underneath is on shaky ground and it's just
things to be what's happening, right, But maybe I'm the
only one who can see it.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Paul, I don't think you are. And thanks very much
for your time and your call. One hundred and eighty
ten eighty lines are open high Shane, Hey, Darcy, what's up?
Speaker 4 (27:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (27:06):
I think there might be a bit more at play than.
Speaker 11 (27:09):
What people think.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Do you want to elaborate on a couple of ditty cash?
But he's he's unhappy with somebody. You'd have to be
asking for the Christians? What is unhappy about? You can buy?
And and he just remember that Richie, Sir Richie McCord.
And he's but he probably should be. He's got one.
Remember they make a motor vehicle to replace the land rover.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
I didn't know, so what you can.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
Cord?
Speaker 3 (27:42):
And then the screen at the inn and the quartermaster
which is the double cab you rich Sir, Richie's got
one pickularly so I don't know if he's back the
all Blacks and his decided that all Blacks aren't going
to be as good as he wants him to be.
So he's pulling the pin early. And I might have
got this wrong. Did we upset forward the Blacks?
Speaker 2 (28:06):
According to what was it? Late la? I think it
was like mid December, wasn't it. It's ended and the
reasoning behind it from what I gather, was they failed
to reach a new agreement. Now you re what they
want because a lot of the boys had to give back.
There are angers, didn't they.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Well, they had to give back the cars with anybody
seen something ridiculous now that normally wouldn't happen. If someone's grumpy,
this guy Jim's cumpy, I reckon, but we don't know
what it's about. Our grand brand that might have upset
might get out on New Zealand. But something's up with
him John.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Yeah, Ah Chane. Thanks for letting me out about the
car and cars. I had no idea there was any oscreenady.
I might have to look it up. Is it disgusting?
I don't know. It might be quite beautiful. I expect
it's got a massive V eight and sucks as much
black gold is humanly possible if it's named after those guys.
Thanks for your call, all of your calls coming up soon.
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A L eight hundred eighty ten eighty seven thirty eight
at a difficult time way ends and are making all
sorts of odd decisions over the time and the reasons
we don't know one hundred percent behind this and what
happened and so on and so forth, So careful you
start slinging darks to people. Wouldn't surprise you if tomorrow
get the news that the new car of the All Black,
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says Tesla. It's twenty one minutes to eight. This is
sports talk on news Talk Ze b Ben Mallow just
around the corner. I'm filing in now.
Speaker 14 (29:48):
To see.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Some forty two sports talk. So lookd not be any
os Garnadier power by a BMW engine. Not cheap either,
and it's just a personal taste thing, but not pretty.
Let's move on. Gooday, Bevan, how are you?
Speaker 14 (30:13):
I'm good mate?
Speaker 4 (30:14):
How are you? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Not so bad? What have you got on your mind?
Speaker 14 (30:18):
Mate? So for the other day, I wanted to buy
some tickets to the Blues games cut out a coming up.
And I've got a two year old and a four
year old and I think every single game was at
seven pm, bar two which were at four pm. I
don't know, maybe I read it wrong, but there's your
biggest problem. There's no way I can even take my
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kids to a seven pm game.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Yeah, it was all jurisdic, Bevan. That's kind of We've
We've talked about this. I'm sure we will again, but
that's quite off topic. We're talking about any us and
what's happening there with the sponsorships just as a different path.
Speaker 14 (30:54):
Okay, oh sorry mate, No, you're.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Right, Bevan, Thanks very much. That's voicing your concern. I
think that's something that the Blues and Eten Park can
look into more than anything and ends it are, but
we're looking at this issue around sponsorship. Lachlan high.
Speaker 13 (31:08):
Hey, Si here you go, mate, Hey, how good was
Paul before at the gate? Awesome?
Speaker 2 (31:15):
You just downloaded?
Speaker 13 (31:17):
Oh mate yeah, and I'll try and back it up.
But mate, yeah, a great call earlier on before the
problems in the last two three years from coaching stadiums
to provincial level just absolutely just raciul. We always keep
skipping over this point where it's the fans and the
support as a from the sky. You know, we pay
for you know, for the privilege or what have you.
(31:40):
If you've got a family at costs of fortune to go,
they're losing touch and they've lost it pretty quick and
all of us righting there people mean like, we don't
matter who's on the front of the josey, you know,
it's just got to be accessible and if they really
want some advice, losing sponsors well, the big answer is
we've got to start living within our means. Just like
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at five Minister say so, Michael, Mate bringing guys like
Zinny Frank Bunts tell those stories that they had to work,
you know, fifty hours a week and still turn up
to training and being a professional. Mate just on top
of that, it's not about the standard in the gym.
It's about who you are as a character. So's that's
why we love the ABS, not so much because of
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the labels that they have on the side of the jersey. Mate,
you explain it to my kids. The only label they
see should be the silver fan.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Yeah, with a blanket background, and that's what it should be.
Get on your lackland. Thanks very much for your thoughts.
It is quarter to eight. We've had any ols grenadier
load of texts. I'll pick through a few of them.
Most wants to start to give a little page. Oh
you've generous of spirit, Mate, you really are us. If
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the ABS such a brand of excellence, they should have
sponsors learning up to replace anyos and move on and
avoid a long drawn out, expensive legal battle with a billionaire.
I'm sure there are people in the background, but the
legal ramifications, the commercial ramifications of lining up a replacement
before that court case. I don't know how far that
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reaches in. You'd suggest behind the scenes they'll be talks,
but no one's going to know about that until this
court case is finished. And this is the scary thing here.
It could go on for years and years and years.
It could hang over the head for a very long time.
And at billionaires, as we know, they're reasonably driven people
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that I don't like losing at all. And if there's
a chance to run the count with the all Blacks
the ends are and win. I'd expect that Jim would
be quite keen on that. But they had no choice.
They couldn't roll over and play dead. They had to
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do something because of what any else have done. It's
not a great story. Swearing this his newstalk Zippy on
Sports Talk. My name's Darcy Watergrave. What of the strangest
trades ever happened? Last week in the NBA? Don Chic said, Oh,
(34:23):
what do you mean? I like living in tell Us.
Nate an't here in California. Our pale off. He goes
he's a laker?
Speaker 4 (34:30):
What he is?
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Ben Maller runs the rule over what he did in
his first appearance and a canary yellow T shirt helps
but rude, sorry, this is this news stork Zippoise.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
That's where we started from California.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Cheers a beautiful assispier Lucas.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Because he's got to get his sea legs that he has.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Not played since Christmas for three Well, cook of the
Lakers on the crowd got what they wanted to see earlier.
I guess they were standing when he cut it. Maybe
they can sit down now. But he got traded from
Dallas on the way to California. We're talking Luca don
(35:26):
chicch and we're joined now by being Malley out of
Fox Sport Radio being welcome.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
How did he go?
Speaker 2 (35:31):
What was the crowd reaction? Like, what a big move?
Speaker 10 (35:34):
Yeah, it was a huge night, Darcy. It's gonna be
on with you again. It's been a while, but yeah, yeah,
they gave out Luca Donzig t shirts to every one
in the crowd. You know how the Laker games are,
the celebrities are out. Will Ferrell was there. Adele, the
singer Adele who's actually engaged to Lebron James agent.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
So there were a.
Speaker 10 (35:52):
Bunch of other Hollywood types that were there. It was
like a religious revival for Luca. Because you said this
was a trade, Darcy, this was more of a giveaway
by the Dallas Maverick. They just handed Luca, one of
the top young players in basketball to the Lakers. Nobody
else had a chance to bid on him. It's a
wild story. Everyone's buzzing, and it's kind of like a
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soft launch the way I would describe the Utah Jazz
or a terrible basketball team. They often ride the vomit comet.
They're terrible. They've only won twelve games all year. And
so Luca, he was on a minute's restriction. He didn't
play very much. He had fourteen points in the game.
He played less than twenty five minutes. So it's a
nice soft launch for Luca, the Lakers who played very
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well the last couple of weeks, and a nice beginning
to what the Lakers think Luca's going to be here
for the next ten to fifteen years.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Tell us the bank story, Bin Game must have been
digging what's going on? What happened mad at day launch him.
Speaker 10 (36:48):
Well, there's a couple of conspiracy theories, and you know
we love conspiracy theories and radio DRCI Well, the people
that bought the Mavericks from Mark Cuban run casinos in
Las Vegas. So there's some speculation that they traded Luca
to undermine the fan base so then they would be
able to move the team to Las Vegas. The gambling
mecha of course of America, so they could go there.
(37:10):
There's another conspiracy that this Mavericks who said lucas overrated.
He doesn't play any defense, he doesn't play winning basketball.
He's just the stat stuffer. Uh that the Mavericks have
put a lot of stories out in the media here
around the States that Luca's fat and he's you know,
he's not. They've been gone on and on about all
these conspiracies about he's out of shape and all that.
(37:31):
The guy's average in his career, he's like third all
time in NBA history. Apparently he's he's he's going to
a fat farm.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
It's wild.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Wow, there's some conspiracy he's been now that the dust
well has the dust settle. I suppose it hasn't after
what you've seen, but the exceptence has got to be
there because he can't say no, Kenny, he's gone.
Speaker 10 (37:49):
Well, yeah he's not coming back. But it is a
complete total debacle, uh for the Dallas Mavericks. I mean,
that's the story, because there were fans that brought like
a casket like it was a funeral to the Mavericks Arena.
And I'll give you an idea how crazy it is.
The biggest star in Mavericks history before Luca was Dirk
Noavinski from Germany. He was in La here where I
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am at the later game watching Luca's debut, supporting Luca.
Even though the street the Mavericks play their games on
the arenas named the Whiskey Way in honor of Dirk,
but he was in La supporting Lucas. So another body blow,
salt on the wound for the Dallas Mavericks.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
It's just a wild So I've.
Speaker 10 (38:31):
Never seen anything really like it in basketball where only
one team was allowed to bid on a player. I mean,
it's just an amazing The Lakers were looking at having
forty year old Lebron James and they were gonna have
to tear the thing down. They weren't gonna have a
very good team for the next couple of years, and
now they're set up. It's almost like it was scripted
Darcy's Wild.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
And they did it. Ole and the eyebrow woked.
Speaker 10 (38:52):
Yeah, yeah, no, it's just the whole situation is absolutely
and then the unibrow goes there. In his first game,
he looks like dominant Shaquille O'Neill for a half and
then gets hurt. So he's gonna be out. Anthony Davis
will be out for another couple of weeks at least,
So it'says and that's what he always has done. He
always gets hurt that that's his claim to fame. So
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the whole situation is for Gayzy. I don't know what
to make of it, but it's uh, you know, as
you know we've talked over the years, Darcy. I like
the other team in Las kind of my team, the Clippers.
But this is a body blow for the for the
top young players. The guy turns twenty six soon, Luca,
and now he's coming to LA and he's gonna be
the king of LA basketball for the next couple of
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years for sure.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
And best and worst outcomes or scenarios for both teams
involved or what can happen now in the season, the
way both teams what they tradeactory.
Speaker 10 (39:45):
Is well, the Mavericks have to wait for Anthony Davis
to come back, and if he comes back, they'll have
a have a good team. But he's always hurt, the
guy that's his you know, superpowers. He gets hurt when
he plays. He plays well, but he gets hurt a lot.
And for the Lakers, it's gonna be fascinating, artsy because
they're gonna have Lebron at age forty and Luca, and
those guys are Hall of famers, all time greats, you know,
but they don't play defense. Neither one of them plays
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the defense. So the Lakers on offense, I'll use a
hockey analogy. They'll be on the power play on offense,
but they'll be short handed on defense. It's almost gonna
be five on three because Luca and Lebron sporadically play defense.
So that does not seem like a great formula. The
Lakers tried to appease Luca. They made a trade. He
wanted them to get this guy, Mark Williams from the
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Charlotte Hornets. They made the trade. The trade was rescinded
because I guess he's gonna bump hip or something like that.
But they know they're they're not good enough roster wise,
But odd things happen in basketball. You know, and it
seems to be pretty wide open in the West. There's
not one team you say it's invincible. Oklahoma City is
the top team, but in the playoffs they're not really
battle tested, so you toss it up. When we get
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to the postseason, things are certainly trending up for the
Lakers and down, down, down for the Dallas Mavericks.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
You hear it from the biggest names and sports You
men have your sale eighty sports do on your hold
of sports and used talks.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
It be a fuck sport radio. That was Ben Maller.
I think it's been twenty years since I've been talking
with Ben mallif knows that's American. He's not changed. He
gets bigger and better and fresher every time you get
him on the airwaves talking about the unusual trade and
inverted commers the hook look at doncic off to the
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La Lakers. Hey, dad's it for a program? Thanks so
much for listening, and thanks for your texting, Thanks for
your phone calls, you know, thanks for your ears, thanks
for your time, and as always thanks to Andy Duff
for producing the program. Interesting conversation around where to now?
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Steve writes to finalize things the only one who lose
in a drawn out, expensive legal battle that any of
us as en z are you no major sponsor and
spend millions on lawyers, it's a risk. Hopefully they haven't
gone into this blo Hopefully. I'm Darcy Waterergrave. I'll catch
you again tomorrow from seven on News Talks.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Welcome into sports Talk. Great have you on board seventh
Top seven it is. It's a Tuesday evening, eleventh of
February twenty twenty five. Good evening. I'm busy Watergrave. Wonderful
to be back in the city gain after a couple
of days of lying around in the sun cooking. My
sorry carcas coming up on the program this evening. They
(00:55):
got a few hits for you, as we call them
in the trade. We're going to have in the program
of the chat with my great American friend from Fox
Spot Radio, Big Ben Maller looking back at Luka Doncic
in La Lakers' colors for the very first time after
(01:16):
he was basically hooked from Dallas. That's it. You're living
in California and our son Playball, will find out how
he went, what he did, what the crowd reaction was,
like Ben Maller joining us toward the end of the show,
We're going to a double head at the start of
the program, this is on the news that and he
also being taken to court by n z R failure
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to pay what they owe and they want to cut
their contract short. Unhappy they are, indeed, Gregor Paul, New
Zealand Herald at Rugby writer joins us shortly to discuss
that battle, and then we'll take a look at it
from a marketing point of view. Ben good Ale joins us.
He's from Quantum Jump Marketing. He's the CEO. They're a
(02:00):
sports marketing group. He'll talk to us about the vagaries
of sports marketing and contract and then we'll get your thoughts. O.
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty insida. I should probably be
a little more careful who they sell their brand too,
should they not? Sometimes it's a win win situation, Sometimes
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it's a win lose situation, and sometimes it's just a
train wreck. Do they need to be more careful? Is
it about taking the highest bidder or taking the bidder
that's less likely to cause them trouble down the line
that we'll talk about that being good Ale will join us.
Gregor Paul would join us shortly and right toward the
end from Fox Sport Radio, mister Bean at Meller. But
(02:45):
before he commence, let's do this today. Can a sport today?
All black and blue? Caleb Clark caused the Murna ruckets
last week when he chose to make himself unavailable for
Super Rugby Pacific's new toy, that's the Fantasy League. Contrary
to popular belief, though, this wasn't a George Michael thing.
(03:06):
Some people think that it's like a religious or faith thing.
Going to say, no, it's not just sitting their record
straight because I don't want people to start getting the
wrong idea. It's just a personal preference and how I
wanted to do it, so it wasn't a matter of
faith dance. Sorry. Black Cap Daddy Conway scored runs ninety
seven the makes You Overnight as his team tracked down
(03:28):
and clubbed a young South African saving Fokistan. He's treasuring
the chance to feel the leathery willowed flock before the
Champions Trophy gets its party. Frock On.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
It's a great opportunity for us to play in this
tri series here in Pakistan.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
It's great preparation.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
Not only training on these facilities, but having the opportunity
to play in the middle is great for us leading
into the Champions Trophy.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Center Back turf billiard player Nando Pinakair is on track
to make an unexpected earlier return to Auckland FC gaffer
Corrica outlines the Pastry Thiefs project ahead of his possible
reintegration against Eastern United on Saturday.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
Training by himself obviously as you saw today, but he
will be traveling and we'll give him an opportunity to
train on Friday and if he's fit for Friday, he'll play.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
And christ fallen quarterback Patrick Mahomes gave due credit to
the Eagles, who craft the over as chiefs yesterday's Super Bowl.
Kansas City's Mahomes was a dumpster fire who got owned
on the grid iron by a superb defensive effort from Philadelphia.
Speaker 7 (04:35):
They played great from start to finish. They got after it.
Defensive line played really well, the DB's played well to
compliment them, and linebackers as well. And so I can't
turn the ball over early in the game when it's
not going our way and might have to learn from
that and try to be better the next opportunity that
I hopefully get.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
And that's the sport today. Letting past is seven. Let's
head on into now. The deal or the lack of
deal between New Zealand Rugby and massive petro chemical company
Ennios pact. The SAD decided not to pay and they
don't want to on with their contract. They're going to
go to court. The or Blacks or ends that are
(05:12):
taking them to court. Gregor Paulina is on here. Rugby
analyst joins us. Now welcome Gregor. Look, this is a
this is a scary situation for the Orblacks right now.
Speaker 8 (05:20):
You it's definitely not a good one. I don't know
if it's scary. It's commercially important. Two things are commercially
important here. One, the deal itself is reasonably significant for them.
I think it's slightly closer to ten million a year
that they're taking from Minios, which is not an insubstantial
amount of money for them. And if they lose it,
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which they have, you know, that will need to be
found somewhere else. So that's going to be challenge number
one for them. But really the much bigger challenge here
is protecting the reputation and putting a message out to
the world that says, look, we can't have billionaires decide
arbitrarily or unilaterally that they don't want to carry on
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with an existing deal for whatever reason, spurious best and
we need to protect ourselves, and we need to say
that we won't be bullied, we won't be pushed around,
and if you renege on a deal for no good reason,
we're going to take you to court and we're going
to let the law decide whether you have the right
to do that or not.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
So, in essence, this is posturing that they would like
some form of result, because as you've see, close on
ten million dollars, that's quite the hole and dig their
way out of. But it's very much a scene of saying,
don't mess with us, and we're going to go through
the law.
Speaker 8 (06:32):
This is a stance I think primarily, certainly initially it's
a message to not only to any ofs but to
any other future potential commercial partners that this is where
things will end up if we do not abide by
the contract and if we do not, you know, live
by the law. Anyone knows you once you go to
court proceedings, you don't know what the outcomes are going
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to be.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
In a case like this, they will argue.
Speaker 8 (06:56):
Any us will argue that whatever that you know, they
were let down by the terms of the agreement. They'll
say and said, oh, I didn't fulfill them and said,
I will say it did, and a court will try
and determine you know, who's right, who's right, and what
the solution might be.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
Now, that could take a long time.
Speaker 8 (07:09):
That could rack up, you know, significant legal fees for
the union with limited possibility of what they will get
in return or what a settlement might look like with
any or so you're going to weigh up the risk
and the reward, you.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Know what that might look like.
Speaker 8 (07:24):
And how long do you want this to carry on for?
You know, before you're willing to pull the pin. And
you get the impression that when you're a billionaire and
you've got sort of infinite depth to your pocket, you're
probably going to gamble that an organization like nz R
isn't going to want to have a prolonged, expensive legal
battle with you because they can't afford to do that
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in the way that you can.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
That's why I said, scary. We know that there's not
a lot of cash on the ground for end Z
are should they engage? I suppose they can walk if
it gets too expensive, But this could be long and pricey.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Yeah, it could be.
Speaker 8 (07:59):
And maybe what they're hoping is by filing the court action,
by going public with it. Maybe that will bring Anyos
and Sir Jim to the table to say, look, okay,
what would it take for this to come out of
the courts?
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Can we make a settlement here? What would you agree to?
Speaker 8 (08:17):
You know, maybe they agree a full and final payment
that says, okay, you don't want to be our partner anymore.
How about you pay you know, eighteen months of the
contract and we'll let you out the other eighteen months.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
That's fifty you know, fifty percent of.
Speaker 8 (08:29):
What you ass and we could we do a deal
round about that sort of price point and you know,
leave it in a in a state that doesn't take
both organizations time, effort, money and cause them reputational damage.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Gregor Paul joining us. Gregor, so, will we see Anyos
on the shorts and the training gear this year? We
have to wait to the court case finishes. How does
that operate? Do you know?
Speaker 4 (08:54):
No, they won't my understanding again, they won't appear.
Speaker 8 (08:57):
So the invoice was sent to ANOS at the end
of last year for the second half of twenty four.
That invoice was due on the first of January. That
hasn't been paid. You would now say their account is
in arrears. Within say it are. So there's two issues here. One,
they haven't paid for services delivered that relate to twenty
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twenty four and now they've cut the deal arbitrarily, you know,
actually cut that three years ahead of its natural expiry date.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
So that's the second part of the legal challenge.
Speaker 8 (09:29):
So I guess if nothing else new Zealand Rugby would
expect that invoice that they filed late last year, they
would expect that to be paid minimum, you know, as
part of this action.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
So Jim Redcliffe's not broke, is he. Know, he's got
Manchester United, He's starting his own America's Cup team, So
he's hardly crying poverty, is he.
Speaker 8 (09:50):
No, he's not broke, but I get the impression he's
a little bit broken. I mean he's behaving in a
way that I don't think is healthy for sport.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
You know, you.
Speaker 8 (10:02):
Sport needs money and needs benefactors, and for whatever reasons
at ten to be attracted to these big egotistical billionaires
who love vanity projects, who love you know, the power
the control that having sponsorship or ownership gives them. When
they then operate outside the rule of law as they
feel that they can it becomes a very dangerous place
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for sport to find itself, damage his reputations, lowers trust,
It makes everybody vulnerable, and I think he needs to
accept that that he's a guy that says he wants
to put back he loves sport. You know, he was
happy enough to jump into bed with the All Blacks
because he said they were a great brand and they
aligned with the values of INOS. We probably needs to
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go back and remember that and think about why he's
behaving in the way that his well I presume it's
to him, by the way, rather than Inos, and he
needs to answer why he thinks it's okay to just
pull the plug on the sponsorship.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I thank you, Gregor. That's Gregor Pool, sports writer rugby
writer from New Zealand Herald, with his view on the
issue between the company and the union. Right, let's take
it now down a marketing line. Ben good Ale joins
us now sports marketing experts CEO of Quantum Jump Marketing.
Speaker 9 (11:17):
Ben good Evening today, Darcy. Great to be here and
thanks very much for joining us. This situation between I
can only presume a rather irate Sir Jim Ratcliffe, his
massive company Ineos and n zaid Ah, Well, that's reached
quite their head. I want to look at it from
a marketing point of view. First up, what does any
(11:38):
you stand to gain by having their names on the
backsides of the All Blacks? Ineos is not exactly a
brand that we all go out and buy tomorrow. So
why the All Blacks and what.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Do they get?
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Well, I guess the All Blacks are globally seen as
a brand of excellence. You know, they are peak athletes,
they are coached perfection most of time, and they you know,
they globally they are have seen. You know that they
are par excellence. So if you're gonna, you know, try
and marry up with a brand like that, you know,
(12:13):
whether you're Annios, Pepsi, you know IBM, whoever.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
You know they if you want to.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
Lean into that those brand attributes the All Blacks are perfect.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Well, but we know IBM and we can go out
and buy IBM product. We know Peeps and we can
go and buy PEPSI, go and buy an Nios.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
I know, I mean, I guess, yeah, you don't, you
don't really go by I mean, but also, you know,
why is he why? Why what does have a team
in the America's Cup and you know, I mean, we
know why it's get what. We know why it's got
involved in Manchester United because he's a lifelong fan and
that's a real passion play. But I guess if you
think about look at it another way, that the because
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of what we all black stand for, they can be
those attributes that that they have when and he also
may be talking internally to their teams. You know, you
imagine an all marketing point of view, and you know
why if we it would be all blacks, because they're
about you know, great teamwork, great team spirit, cutting edge
use of medical science, whatever you want to go into,
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and that you know, there's great storytelling that they can
bring those all black stories through and say that's why
we're partnering with them. And so even internally and then
maybe when they're talking about business partnerships between enos and
industry partners again they can bring those other attributes through.
So you know, and he's not the money. So I mean,
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you're right, you can't go and buy an inios, but
sometimes brands, you can't buy a sponsoring a sponsoring teams
as well.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
It's not aimed at the great hand wash saying go
and buy in any as as. I yeah, it was
a bit of fun when I said there, it's more
aimed the bigger section, more as I suppose cut through
at an international corporate level. Were the name behind the
All Blacks you listen to us?
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (14:03):
Yeah, And also I mean the other aspect and it
came up when the deal was originally done and is
probably part of how this has led to the today's
news is. But you know, there's an arguably you could
say there's a bit of green washing going on around
you know, New Zealand, Clean Green, great reputation globally for that.
The All Black's very much participant in that any of us.
(14:24):
You know, it's a petrochemical company, plastics, it's you know,
it's industrial and there's a bit of a disconnect there.
So I know at the time there was a lot
of debate about why why were they All Blacks doing it?
Why were they reunion getting into bed with a company
that was in you know, maybe potentially from a values
point of view, not so aligned, But you can see
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why they would want to do it because it shows
that they know they are aligning with a very wholesome
brand and you know, the New Zealand's brand globally as
being you know, a green, perfect country.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
How hard is it going to be for ends that
are to actually replace this money. Yeah, it's going to
years to get it, isn't it. And once the wheels
are in motion, what next?
Speaker 4 (15:10):
Well, they've got two propers.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
First of all, I wouldn't fancy taking on gym An
the legal stash and the other you're right, I mean
they but it was interesting because it did raise eyebrows
when they went with it, and you would think that
there would be other brands globally who would love to
sponsor the All Blacks, So I mean they do. It
was interesting why they you know, why do they go over.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Your some time?
Speaker 5 (15:32):
And maybe they were presumably they were the highest bidder
and it's hard to believe they didn't have other options,
but maybe the duration of the term because what was
it six years? Was it eight million a year that
they put. Regardless of that, you know, the I would
have thought they can replace it. It's just replacing it
at a drop of the hat. It is hard, you know,
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there's you know, is it a fire sale they're going
to have to do?
Speaker 1 (15:57):
No need for the DMO. We've got the breakdown on
sports Talk call.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
News Talk.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Twenty to After seven Sports took on News Talk z
b CEO of Quantum Jump there sports marketing expert being
good Ale, talking about where to now in the sponsorship
space for the All Blacks after what has been a
It's been a reasonably fraught time, hasn't it. Plainly, this
is huge for the All Blacks. It's not massive for
(16:29):
said Jim Ratcliffe as he has pots and pots and
pots and pots of cash. As we know Endz are don't.
This is hard on the heels of the end of
the thirty year sponsorship with Ford. It came to an
end at the end of last year as the parties
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couldn't reach a new agreement. Steinlager, who have been around
sponsoring the All Blacks since I don't know when. In fact,
they used to have jersey sponsorship, which is quite a
rarity back in the day. They are still working Line Breweries,
the people who produce steinleg INSI are still working with
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Line around the partnership, looking at exploring other options because
these names not on that mid year schedule the Steinlagers series.
There's another issue. Then you look across at the other
major sponsor related to the All Blacks and whether that
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has got any legs and how long that will stand?
Is there a lesson here around who you deal with
and who you sell your rights to. Ideally the highest
bit of wins, but at what cost? Prices one thing?
Cost is another thing. This could be a very long,
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very expensive, a very exhausting time for end z Are.
And then of course you've got the packet erm in
the Parliament, the elephant in the room, which is the
silver Lake deal. It's gone very quiet recently. And what
deal was that long term for New Zealand rugby because
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that paid dividends? Is that working? Is that going to
end up being troubled too? I mentioned it when it happened.
Charlotte wants is pound of flesh and you'll probably get it.
So the ends that I need to be more careful
whether they're selling the brand to they're selling this product too,
because I don't think they're being very careful at all.
I think they're seeing cash before anything else. That's a worry.
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Speaker 11 (19:22):
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Speaker 2 (19:25):
We've got a new captain for the one New Zealander Warriors,
which Barnett's been given the job. James Fisher Harris is
the vice captain. You call him a vice captain? Is
he a co captain? Where are the other two? By
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referencing the Hurricanes, we've got four captains now. I still
don't know how any of this works.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Flick the coin, argue with the ref whoever it is.
But there it is Mitch Barnett first. I suppose that
Fisher Harris second? Does that makes it anyway?
Speaker 4 (20:02):
It's there.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Twenty nine minutes after seven. Let's jump to the phones now, Chris.
Speaker 12 (20:09):
Are you how are you doing this?
Speaker 2 (20:12):
I'm doing very very well start of a great week.
Speaker 12 (20:16):
Absolutely about and yours and the captains in the in
the regular league.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
And us.
Speaker 12 (20:24):
I saw the advertisement on the back of our shorts
and on our jerseys during training, So they are going
to have to cough up some money. What what I
don't get is when you're a business, like if you
sponsor a sports team, you can write that off versus
your attack, so you pay less tax because it's an
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expenditure to your business. So he was either going to
give it to the government Great Britain or to us.
So I don't understand why he's flipped his coin and
gone mental about this. I'd love to hear from the
man himself to be honest.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Well, he's been approached by us anyway, nothing as yet
from them. You'd think that any of us might come
out with something. I mean, I feel like a flippant reasons.
You could say he's just a bit pissy because then
he's yelling team beat him in the America's Cup. So
he's taken it out of the All Blacks. Look, he's
(21:22):
having trouble with Manchester United. He owns a bit of that.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Now.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
The fans absolutely hate him. They're calling him worse than
the Glazers, which is quite something. He's falling apart with
being ange a couple of nights having a crap. They
should should get the jousting sticks out. So that's four
on apart. I wonder if things aren't well with Jim himself.
Speaker 12 (21:43):
Well, everywhere he's treading, he's pusson on people and he's
fallen out with Team GB for the America's Cup for
the next regatta, so any of us has gone from that,
then he's trying to do this with us. I'm like,
what's going on with this fella? So let's hope we
can get some.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Hope.
Speaker 12 (22:04):
There's a current journalist that the me can get a
phone called through the women.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Matter how much tellent with God? If I don't answer
the phone, why am I talk to? Is not what
I can do about that? Christmas? Thanks for that bag
later Government.
Speaker 12 (22:18):
Yeah, London correspondent, get over there, knock on his door.
I was going to say about the captaincy of the
Warriors just before I go, I'm glad they gave it
to Bennett because he's been the team for a few
years and he got to call up the origin. He's
respected by the guys and Fisher Harris was on a
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TV interview over here in Australia and he was basically saying, oh,
I don't want to just walk into a new team
and be the captain because I haven't earned my strikes
for the Warriors, even though I have them at ten rates,
like I could approve myself to these lads. But the
fact that he's the deputy captain.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
He's the co captain. I saw it come through Bannit
and then Fisher Harris and maybe he's the assistant of
the vice but now they are co captains, which is
very fascionable in this day and age. I'm not quite
sure if I agree with that.
Speaker 12 (23:11):
Hurricanes the Hurricanes. Yeah, I'm just going to say, the Hurricanes,
you've got twenty two captains and one other player this year.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Wait till you get down south. Did an Eden and
the heart has announced that the entire Zoo are their captains?
It could be Chris, Thanks very much.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
For your call.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Yeah, why they've decided at any us to actually cut
a drift the All Blacks? Did it not bring them
enough money? Was it not the coverage or the association
they wanted. It's not like they're selling more petrol. As
I said, you can't go out and buy it any
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of us. That makes no difference. It's all about this
swagger in the boardroom with a name on the side
of the all blacks check us out. Like your thoughts
on that, they don't seem to have been He's in
a rugby very careful this spot recently.
Speaker 11 (24:07):
Hi, Paul, you know Garcia. You're speaking of captains. We
used to captain of the New Zealand Rugby mister Mark Robinson.
I mean, why isn't the front it have been approached
apparently according to one news does any or thing fell
three months ago? So we see back up playing, we
see a new sponsor just in case.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
As I believe, it's not a matter of knocking on
a door and saying can you give me ten million?
It's actually it takes a couple of years, I'd expect
when they found out that it was looking cantaloup shape,
they started looking at their second option. But now it's
official that they'd taken them to court. Well, on a
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legal standpoint, how can they go and get someone else
while they're still battling this bloken court?
Speaker 11 (24:54):
Yeah, that's the points. But the thing is do I
mean when you strip it all down, you know, regardless
of what anyone says, you've got four you've taken back
to their cars, the silver like deals of Debarcle. Let's
go to via ag who's the broadcast to any of
us have pulled out? You know, you've got the unions
that are bloody up in arms. No one's going to
the game's live, I mean, and then Matt Robinson sits
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there and he talks about fan centric and learnings and
where everything's great. We've got all this money, you need
the reality. I just don't understand how he's still got
his job, to be honest, mate.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
It's really hard to look at the trajectory of New
Zealand rugby in the last few years under his stewardship
because it's not all him. Let's face it, he is
the figurehead, but you can't give him a glowing reference
or a glowing report on the way it's all going.
And they had a number of different issues they had COVID,
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The list goes on. But the report's not looking good.
Speaker 11 (25:50):
Is it, Paul. Well, it's like it's like a government,
you know, the prime minister. You know, if people if
they're not before and they get thrown out. This guy
is still there traveling the real drinking champagne and shaking hands.
But the reality is the game's in trouble, mate the
game regard. That's what people think, the games in trouble.
But it's therefore all to see. Why does it becoming
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or any us pull out of it? Are such a
major brand like the All Blacks and Forward and sky
TV reduced their money and so forth.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
That there might be a common denominator And then I
don't know, because we don't know. It's really hard to
come to any form of assumption because that's all it
will be. But it doesn't look good. The scorecard does
not look good.
Speaker 11 (26:33):
Well, Darsie, I remember commentators saying, you know, if you
build your organization from the top down, which they have,
you know, everything pin hinges on the All Blacks. Once
the All Blacks start losing and they just become another team,
nobody sees them.
Speaker 13 (26:46):
The AWA is gone.
Speaker 11 (26:47):
Everything else underneath is on shaky ground and it's just
things to be what's happening, right, But maybe I'm the
only one who can see it.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Paul, I don't think you are. And thanks very much
for your time and your call. One hundred and eighty
ten eighty lines are open high Shane, Hey, Darcy, what's up?
Speaker 4 (27:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (27:06):
I think there might be a bit more at play than.
Speaker 11 (27:09):
What people think.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Do you want to elaborate on a couple of ditty cash?
But he's he's unhappy with somebody. You'd have to be
asking for the Christians? What is unhappy about? You can buy?
And and he just remember that Richie, Sir Richie McCord.
And he's but he probably should be. He's got one.
Remember they make a motor vehicle to replace the land rover.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
I didn't know, so what you can.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
Cord?
Speaker 3 (27:42):
And then the screen at the inn and the quartermaster
which is the double cab you rich Sir, Richie's got
one pickularly so I don't know if he's back the
all Blacks and his decided that all Blacks aren't going
to be as good as he wants him to be.
So he's pulling the pin early. And I might have
got this wrong. Did we upset forward the Blacks?
Speaker 2 (28:06):
According to what was it? Late la? I think it
was like mid December, wasn't it. It's ended and the
reasoning behind it from what I gather, was they failed
to reach a new agreement. Now you re what they
want because a lot of the boys had to give back.
There are angers, didn't they.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Well, they had to give back the cars with anybody
seen something ridiculous now that normally wouldn't happen. If someone's grumpy,
this guy Jim's cumpy, I reckon, but we don't know
what it's about. Our grand brand that might have upset
might get out on New Zealand. But something's up with
him John.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Yeah, Ah Chane. Thanks for letting me out about the
car and cars. I had no idea there was any oscreenady.
I might have to look it up. Is it disgusting?
I don't know. It might be quite beautiful. I expect
it's got a massive V eight and sucks as much
black gold is humanly possible if it's named after those guys.
Thanks for your call, all of your calls coming up soon.
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A L eight hundred eighty ten eighty seven thirty eight
at a difficult time way ends and are making all
sorts of odd decisions over the time and the reasons
we don't know one hundred percent behind this and what
happened and so on and so forth, So careful you
start slinging darks to people. Wouldn't surprise you if tomorrow
get the news that the new car of the All Black,
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says Tesla. It's twenty one minutes to eight. This is
sports talk on news Talk Ze b Ben Mallow just
around the corner. I'm filing in now.
Speaker 14 (29:48):
To see.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Some forty two sports talk. So lookd not be any
os Garnadier power by a BMW engine. Not cheap either,
and it's just a personal taste thing, but not pretty.
Let's move on. Gooday, Bevan, how are you?
Speaker 14 (30:13):
I'm good mate?
Speaker 4 (30:14):
How are you? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Not so bad? What have you got on your mind?
Speaker 14 (30:18):
Mate? So for the other day, I wanted to buy
some tickets to the Blues games cut out a coming up.
And I've got a two year old and a four
year old and I think every single game was at
seven pm, bar two which were at four pm. I
don't know, maybe I read it wrong, but there's your
biggest problem. There's no way I can even take my
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kids to a seven pm game.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Yeah, it was all jurisdic, Bevan. That's kind of We've
We've talked about this. I'm sure we will again, but
that's quite off topic. We're talking about any us and
what's happening there with the sponsorships just as a different path.
Speaker 14 (30:54):
Okay, oh sorry mate, No, you're.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Right, Bevan, Thanks very much. That's voicing your concern. I
think that's something that the Blues and Eten Park can
look into more than anything and ends it are, but
we're looking at this issue around sponsorship. Lachlan high.
Speaker 13 (31:08):
Hey, Si here you go, mate, Hey, how good was
Paul before at the gate? Awesome?
Speaker 2 (31:15):
You just downloaded?
Speaker 13 (31:17):
Oh mate yeah, and I'll try and back it up.
But mate, yeah, a great call earlier on before the
problems in the last two three years from coaching stadiums
to provincial level just absolutely just raciul. We always keep
skipping over this point where it's the fans and the
support as a from the sky. You know, we pay
for you know, for the privilege or what have you.
(31:40):
If you've got a family at costs of fortune to go,
they're losing touch and they've lost it pretty quick and
all of us righting there people mean like, we don't
matter who's on the front of the josey, you know,
it's just got to be accessible and if they really
want some advice, losing sponsors well, the big answer is
we've got to start living within our means. Just like
(32:01):
at five Minister say so, Michael, Mate bringing guys like
Zinny Frank Bunts tell those stories that they had to work,
you know, fifty hours a week and still turn up
to training and being a professional. Mate just on top
of that, it's not about the standard in the gym.
It's about who you are as a character. So's that's
why we love the ABS, not so much because of
(32:22):
the labels that they have on the side of the jersey. Mate,
you explain it to my kids. The only label they
see should be the silver fan.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Yeah, with a blanket background, and that's what it should be.
Get on your lackland. Thanks very much for your thoughts.
It is quarter to eight. We've had any ols grenadier
load of texts. I'll pick through a few of them.
Most wants to start to give a little page. Oh
you've generous of spirit, Mate, you really are us. If
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the ABS such a brand of excellence, they should have
sponsors learning up to replace anyos and move on and
avoid a long drawn out, expensive legal battle with a billionaire.
I'm sure there are people in the background, but the
legal ramifications, the commercial ramifications of lining up a replacement
before that court case. I don't know how far that
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reaches in. You'd suggest behind the scenes they'll be talks,
but no one's going to know about that until this
court case is finished. And this is the scary thing here.
It could go on for years and years and years.
It could hang over the head for a very long time.
And at billionaires, as we know, they're reasonably driven people
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that I don't like losing at all. And if there's
a chance to run the count with the all Blacks
the ends are and win. I'd expect that Jim would
be quite keen on that. But they had no choice.
They couldn't roll over and play dead. They had to
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do something because of what any else have done. It's
not a great story. Swearing this his newstalk Zippy on
Sports Talk. My name's Darcy Watergrave. What of the strangest
trades ever happened? Last week in the NBA? Don Chic said, Oh,
(34:23):
what do you mean? I like living in tell Us.
Nate an't here in California. Our pale off. He goes
he's a laker?
Speaker 4 (34:30):
What he is?
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Ben Maller runs the rule over what he did in
his first appearance and a canary yellow T shirt helps
but rude, sorry, this is this news stork Zippoise.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
That's where we started from California.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Cheers a beautiful assispier Lucas.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Because he's got to get his sea legs that he has.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Not played since Christmas for three Well, cook of the
Lakers on the crowd got what they wanted to see earlier.
I guess they were standing when he cut it. Maybe
they can sit down now. But he got traded from
Dallas on the way to California. We're talking Luca don
(35:26):
chicch and we're joined now by being Malley out of
Fox Sport Radio being welcome.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
How did he go?
Speaker 2 (35:31):
What was the crowd reaction? Like, what a big move?
Speaker 10 (35:34):
Yeah, it was a huge night, Darcy. It's gonna be
on with you again. It's been a while, but yeah, yeah,
they gave out Luca Donzig t shirts to every one
in the crowd. You know how the Laker games are,
the celebrities are out. Will Ferrell was there. Adele, the
singer Adele who's actually engaged to Lebron James agent.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
So there were a.
Speaker 10 (35:52):
Bunch of other Hollywood types that were there. It was
like a religious revival for Luca. Because you said this
was a trade, Darcy, this was more of a giveaway
by the Dallas Maverick. They just handed Luca, one of
the top young players in basketball to the Lakers. Nobody
else had a chance to bid on him. It's a
wild story. Everyone's buzzing, and it's kind of like a
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soft launch the way I would describe the Utah Jazz
or a terrible basketball team. They often ride the vomit comet.
They're terrible. They've only won twelve games all year. And
so Luca, he was on a minute's restriction. He didn't
play very much. He had fourteen points in the game.
He played less than twenty five minutes. So it's a
nice soft launch for Luca, the Lakers who played very
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well the last couple of weeks, and a nice beginning
to what the Lakers think Luca's going to be here
for the next ten to fifteen years.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Tell us the bank story, Bin Game must have been
digging what's going on? What happened mad at day launch him.
Speaker 10 (36:48):
Well, there's a couple of conspiracy theories, and you know
we love conspiracy theories and radio DRCI Well, the people
that bought the Mavericks from Mark Cuban run casinos in
Las Vegas. So there's some speculation that they traded Luca
to undermine the fan base so then they would be
able to move the team to Las Vegas. The gambling
mecha of course of America, so they could go there.
(37:10):
There's another conspiracy that this Mavericks who said lucas overrated.
He doesn't play any defense, he doesn't play winning basketball.
He's just the stat stuffer. Uh that the Mavericks have
put a lot of stories out in the media here
around the States that Luca's fat and he's you know,
he's not. They've been gone on and on about all
these conspiracies about he's out of shape and all that.
(37:31):
The guy's average in his career, he's like third all
time in NBA history. Apparently he's he's he's going to
a fat farm.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
It's wild.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Wow, there's some conspiracy he's been now that the dust
well has the dust settle. I suppose it hasn't after
what you've seen, but the exceptence has got to be
there because he can't say no, Kenny, he's gone.
Speaker 10 (37:49):
Well, yeah he's not coming back. But it is a
complete total debacle, uh for the Dallas Mavericks. I mean,
that's the story, because there were fans that brought like
a casket like it was a funeral to the Mavericks Arena.
And I'll give you an idea how crazy it is.
The biggest star in Mavericks history before Luca was Dirk
Noavinski from Germany. He was in La here where I
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am at the later game watching Luca's debut, supporting Luca.
Even though the street the Mavericks play their games on
the arenas named the Whiskey Way in honor of Dirk,
but he was in La supporting Lucas. So another body blow,
salt on the wound for the Dallas Mavericks.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
It's just a wild So I've.
Speaker 10 (38:31):
Never seen anything really like it in basketball where only
one team was allowed to bid on a player. I mean,
it's just an amazing The Lakers were looking at having
forty year old Lebron James and they were gonna have
to tear the thing down. They weren't gonna have a
very good team for the next couple of years, and
now they're set up. It's almost like it was scripted
Darcy's Wild.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
And they did it. Ole and the eyebrow woked.
Speaker 10 (38:52):
Yeah, yeah, no, it's just the whole situation is absolutely
and then the unibrow goes there. In his first game,
he looks like dominant Shaquille O'Neill for a half and
then gets hurt. So he's gonna be out. Anthony Davis
will be out for another couple of weeks at least,
So it'says and that's what he always has done. He
always gets hurt that that's his claim to fame. So
(39:13):
the whole situation is for Gayzy. I don't know what
to make of it, but it's uh, you know, as
you know we've talked over the years, Darcy. I like
the other team in Las kind of my team, the Clippers.
But this is a body blow for the for the
top young players. The guy turns twenty six soon, Luca,
and now he's coming to LA and he's gonna be
the king of LA basketball for the next couple of
(39:33):
years for sure.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
And best and worst outcomes or scenarios for both teams
involved or what can happen now in the season, the
way both teams what they tradeactory.
Speaker 10 (39:45):
Is well, the Mavericks have to wait for Anthony Davis
to come back, and if he comes back, they'll have
a have a good team. But he's always hurt, the
guy that's his you know, superpowers. He gets hurt when
he plays. He plays well, but he gets hurt a lot.
And for the Lakers, it's gonna be fascinating, artsy because
they're gonna have Lebron at age forty and Luca, and
those guys are Hall of famers, all time greats, you know,
but they don't play defense. Neither one of them plays
(40:06):
the defense. So the Lakers on offense, I'll use a
hockey analogy. They'll be on the power play on offense,
but they'll be short handed on defense. It's almost gonna
be five on three because Luca and Lebron sporadically play defense.
So that does not seem like a great formula. The
Lakers tried to appease Luca. They made a trade. He
wanted them to get this guy, Mark Williams from the
(40:26):
Charlotte Hornets. They made the trade. The trade was rescinded
because I guess he's gonna bump hip or something like that.
But they know they're they're not good enough roster wise,
But odd things happen in basketball. You know, and it
seems to be pretty wide open in the West. There's
not one team you say it's invincible. Oklahoma City is
the top team, but in the playoffs they're not really
battle tested, so you toss it up. When we get
(40:49):
to the postseason, things are certainly trending up for the
Lakers and down, down, down for the Dallas Mavericks.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
You hear it from the biggest names and sports You
men have your sale eighty sports do on your hold
of sports and used talks.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
It be a fuck sport radio. That was Ben Maller.
I think it's been twenty years since I've been talking
with Ben mallif knows that's American. He's not changed. He
gets bigger and better and fresher every time you get
him on the airwaves talking about the unusual trade and
inverted commers the hook look at doncic off to the
(41:27):
La Lakers. Hey, dad's it for a program? Thanks so
much for listening, and thanks for your texting, Thanks for
your phone calls, you know, thanks for your ears, thanks
for your time, and as always thanks to Andy Duff
for producing the program. Interesting conversation around where to now?
(41:51):
Steve writes to finalize things the only one who lose
in a drawn out, expensive legal battle that any of
us as en z are you no major sponsor and
spend millions on lawyers, it's a risk. Hopefully they haven't
gone into this blo Hopefully. I'm Darcy Waterergrave. I'll catch
you again tomorrow from seven on News Talks.
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