January 21, 2026 • 13 mins
After the shock news dropped last week that Scott Robertson would be leaving his role as the head coach of the All Blacks, questions were asked around who would step up and replace him.
The most obvious choice for many was Jamie Joseph.
Joseph has spent time coaching in New Zealand with the Highlanders, leading them to their first and only title in 2015 as well as coaching the Japan national side between 2016-2023.
He is currently the head coach of the Highlanders and coached the All Black XV in their end of year tour last year.
Lima Sopoaga is a former All Black and Highlanders player who was coached by Joseph, and he joined D'Arcy to discuss.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Dancy Wildergrave
from News Talk sed be So.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
After a former All Black coach, Scott Robertson stepped aside,
was removed, agreed to quit, whatever you want.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
To call it.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
The next question must be is, and it's been banging
around who knows going to be the next in line?
Who's going to be the new head coach of the
All Blacks? Is it Jamie Joseph? Of course it is,
of course it is.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Come on, really me anyone else?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Jamie Helpedharland is the top of sleeper rugby back in
twenty fifteen. Granted he spent also seven years the head
coach of the Japanese national side. He's back on the
high Enders and Super rugby. He's coaching the All Blacks
fifteen side and it was last year's end of year tour.
Who busy man. We're joined now by Alema Supewanga, former
All Black was coached by Joseph in a couple of
(01:00):
stints to said before, first of the Wellington lines in
twenty ten and then for what six seven years years
with the Highlanders. He was in the side when the
Highland has won that title in twenty fifteen, he joins
us now Lima, welcome to the show. Great to have
you on board, mate, Hope you had a wonderful holiday,
pried and you're ready to hit the ground running this year.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
I've had a wonderful period, mate, but too much rain
for my liking back in this New Zealand summer.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I waited eight years for a.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
New Zealand summer and I've got an sweet jack all
from it. But it's been great, been around family, good food,
good company, So can't really complain.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Family and food, mate, That's all you need, no doubt.
I've got you on here because it's looking like the
only choice, the only option that New Zealand Rugby have
got to appoint this new all black coach is going
to be Jamie Joseph. I believe that's the only way
they can possibly go.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Do you agree? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:56):
I think who else is out there who's probably willing
to take this job head on, and someone who's probably
not afraid of what anybody thinks, and who backs himself
with the utmost conviction. It's probably Jamie Joseph in my
In my opinion, there's probably no one else who who
(02:16):
is willing to walk into this, into this fire, and
we all know it's a fire right now. It's a
massive pressure cooker for whoever takes that job. But I
think Jamie Joe is probably the guy that maybe should
have had this job two years ago, but it's here
now and I don't know if he's going to get it,
but if he does get it, he probably takes this
(02:37):
challenge on like he did his rugby career, like he's done,
always takes it full on, and he'll run into it
and we'll see how it goes.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I think it'll happen, but we don't know for sure.
But you're a guy who knows the way Jamie Joseph operates. Now,
you were involved with him way back in the early days,
weren't you. You are first pro contract was under Jamie
Joseph for the Wellington Lions.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Yep, sure was.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Obviously that was a very long time ago, like twenty ten,
So between now and what twenty twenty six, he would
have grown in so many different ways, I'm sure, and
he would have learned a lot, failed a lot, and
the way he coaches now probably isn't reflective of what
he was back then. But you know, deep down He's
still a pretty tough head coach, I'd say, and that's
(03:26):
been his backbone and to be make sure the teams
that he coaches are tough and they're ready and they
don't take a backward step, because that's what he was
like as a player. So yeah, I think he is
someone that is, you know, like right up for this
job and could take this job head on.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
So you worked with him at the lines. Then you
ended up spending a long time under his command. In fact,
you had a hell of a time, didn't he The
Highlanders scored the most points in franchise history. But you
played under him and through some bad times, but through
some good times as well. At twenty thirteen, and then
of course the title in twenty fifteen, which is the highlight.
(04:04):
What did you glean from that time, Jamie? How would
you reflect on what he did at the height of
his career, when he was winning stuff like that, even
though it was a good ten years ago.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Okay, Well, she was real character building stuff.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Some of the stuff he'd made us do, and I'm
not too sure those kind of practices would be allowed
in today's professional environments. There was no GPS back then,
and there was no thought for or regard for how
much she was maybe overcooking us, But there was method
(04:39):
to the madness and eventually that madness paid off in
twenty fifteen.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
But like you said, there was a big failure.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
There in twenty thirteen where we had brought all the
superstars in and we ended up going ZERI from eight
in our first eight games, didn't want a game, and
our season was done halfway through, you know. And I
think to be able to come back from that and
turn it around and take the lessons and bring in
new coaches and people who were better equipped for a
certain situations shows that he was willing to change. And
(05:09):
you know, obviously that's a long time ago now, that's
you know, over ten years. But I think all the
experience and all the time coaching overseas and what he's
learned and ah he's coach with, or who's had as
his managers, or all the different types of players probably
make him the right guy for the job now, especially
because it's so sensitive and it's it is a big ask.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
You know, you only got two years to get ready.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
But he's probably someone who could assemble a good enough
coaching staff to get the best and most out of
the talent that we've got, and take us forward into
that World Cup.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
You learn more about people under extreme pressure and duress.
You talk to all blacks. They remember the losses, they
don't remember the victory. So that's time in twenty thirteen.
How did he react after those eight consecutive losses? What
kind of attitude did he take? Did he was he ruffled?
Did he freak out? He stayed calm? Because that's what
(06:05):
we want to say, We want to know what they're
like under pressure, right, Lima.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Yeah, there were a lot of crisis meetings, for sure,
and I remember us vividly having one massive one with
him where he walked out of the room and we
went too sure sort of what happened, what had happened,
And then he come back sort of ten minutes later
(06:29):
and we gathered himself. But obviously, like I said, he
was a different coach back then, and the expectations were
pretty high, and we fumbled and we failed that pretty heavily.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
And there's no denying.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
That this time, if he was to get the job,
that the expectations would be ten times what they were
in twenty thirteen when he coached the Highlanders.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
You know, like we're talking about the All Blacks. Heah
the best and.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
The most wanted job in rugby as a head coach,
So I think those moments where he sort of failed
will probably push him into good stead heading into the
or Backs campaign because he's gone through it before. He's
gone through bad times and also carry teams out of bad.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Times into good times.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
And I'm not saying that all Backs are in a
bad time right now, they're just not clicking. And that's
one of his super strengths is to be able to
bring a group together and to help them connect and
get the most out of every single person in the group.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I was asking about that. I'm really keen on the
culture that he manages to put in place in the
development of players, how he deals with that. Stephen Hansen,
they talk about Steve and he was willing to put
an arm around the shoulder if things weren't going well.
He could also turn around and scream it when things
were going badly. So he's got that ability to connect
(07:49):
with a number of different players, Pakia, PACIFICA, new players,
old players. He's got that.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Yeah, he's got that and bucket loads and like not
all past players, like coach on the Jamie Joe might
agree with his methods, but for me personally anyway, what
he did for me really helped my career and helped me.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Like I said, character build.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
And there were some tough times, you know, like his
bloody made me do mauling one time against the Fords
to teach me a lesson how to look after my
forwards better. And I've never forgotten that, or the time
that he dragged me off in the thirty seventh minute
instead of waiting til halftime. All those lessons that he
had sort of given to me. I've looked back on
my career and been like, oh, you know, like I
(08:32):
actually needed that. Sometimes you don't think at the time
what his madness or his methods are going to help you,
but laid it down the line, you look back and
you're like, yeah, I needed that. So he definitely knows
how to manage players, you know, give players confidence, make
them go through hard stuff, because he knows that deep
down there's something that you can't see and there's a
(08:54):
greater talent inside you that maybe you're just not pulling
out of yourself. And I think that's probably one of
his special special talents.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Spent some time in Japan, as you did the lay
of the land Japanese rugby and coaching, what importance would
he taken out of that time? What would he bring
from the Japanese style of rugby and coaching that would
work well?
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Do you believe?
Speaker 4 (09:17):
I just think it would have been his experience over
in Japan, the way it's run, the way the Japanese run,
just howize the organization runs as all so totally foreign.
So it's the way that he was probably able to
connect with those players. Like you saw in twenty nineteen,
they tipped over Scotland, tipped over Ireland and you know
(09:37):
they went down to the eventual winners in South Africa.
And you don't do that at a home World Cut
without being able to connect with your players. And obviously
you know he speaks Japanese, but you know there was
probably a translator there as well, helping them through those
times of having to explain messages, get things across. So
(09:59):
I think that experience I've been able to be in
a foreign country and still get the best out of
your players shows that he.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Can do it. And imagine what what he might be
able to do.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
With players that speak English and understand them, and he
understands them, and they understand his culture, he understands their culture,
you know what I mean. So that it is pretty
exciting I think for the New Zealand public and for
the team if he is to get the job.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Yeah, so Tony Brown. They're trying to get Tony Brown
alongside because as a pair they're wonderful. Not essential or not,
do you think as far as his assistance are concerned.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Yeah, well, if you look at the success he's had,
it's always been those two. You know, they're kind of
like Shaq and Kobe of the coaching world, you know,
like you kind of need one and the other to
make Hay. So yeah, obviously, like I still back Jamie
to do their job.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
But if you have Tony Brown, then you're proper cooking.
I reckon.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
If you have those two together, that's like world class
and you're you're right. Our chances of bringing that World
Cup home in Australia, I reckon they dramatically go up tenfold.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
And finally, a Limusopolonga and thanks so much for joining us.
You'd expect there'll be a number of players coming in
that'll be pretty up for it, and the Super Rugby.
If that is the case that Jamie's still there, do
you think if it does happen, he'll stay with the
Heilands or go straight into the All Blacks? And who's
this captain going to be? And this is really coming
out on the limb, but I had to ask.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Yeah, it's probably a bit above above my pay grade
to make that. I'm just like a punter like everyone
else with my own opinion, trying to guess. Yeah, I
think maybe somebody else takes over maybe halfway through.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
That Highland the season.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
It's not ideal, but and then he probably focuses on
the All Blacks and then I don't know.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
I think the name that probably.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Brings a bell and everybody's probably like, yeah, that's the
man for the job, as.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Artis sa Vie.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
So I mean his body of work speaks for himself, Artie.
And that's not taking anything away from Scott, but I think,
you know, Artie's probably the people's captain. He's the person
that's carried out our team when it's been hard and
it's been tough. So I think, you know, if a
new coach comes in, that's probably an easy picking. It
(12:17):
probably stops some of the things that being said.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Online or in media or whatever. You know, you just
cut that off and you just move forward.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
You're blaming it on us again. You're pointing at the
bloody media and going, it's all.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
The media.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
I'm just saying, like you know, like I mean, I'm
meaning social media, you know, like you put it, you
put a team up, and you know, everybody's bagging like
jumps on lines like oh this guy should be kept
and no he should have a like bro, they don't
pick the captain themselves, you know what I mean, Like,
just leave the poor bloke alone.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
He's freaking trying his best, you know. Like whereas if
you make I.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Don't know, Artie captain, you probably like you get rid
of all that other outside noise and it just becomes sweet.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
We just carry on, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Well, that's what I like to think, and I wish
I could know you mean, But like, I've never played
rugby to any great level whatsoever, so I'm not gonna
do that. LIMASOPPEWANGI we thank you so much for your
time and your input and looking forward to pestering you
right the way throughout twenty twenty six. You still answer
the phone, won't you.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Yeah, of course, any time, any time.
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
After a former All Black coach, Scott Robertson stepped aside,
was removed, agreed to quit, whatever you want.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
To call it.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
The next question must be is, and it's been banging
around who knows going to be the next in line?
Who's going to be the new head coach of the
All Blacks? Is it Jamie Joseph? Of course it is,
of course it is.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Come on, really me anyone else?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Jamie Helpedharland is the top of sleeper rugby back in
twenty fifteen. Granted he spent also seven years the head
coach of the Japanese national side. He's back on the
high Enders and Super rugby. He's coaching the All Blacks
fifteen side and it was last year's end of year tour.
Who busy man. We're joined now by Alema Supewanga, former
All Black was coached by Joseph in a couple of
(01:00):
stints to said before, first of the Wellington lines in
twenty ten and then for what six seven years years
with the Highlanders. He was in the side when the
Highland has won that title in twenty fifteen, he joins
us now Lima, welcome to the show. Great to have
you on board, mate, Hope you had a wonderful holiday,
pried and you're ready to hit the ground running this year.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
I've had a wonderful period, mate, but too much rain
for my liking back in this New Zealand summer.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I waited eight years for a.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
New Zealand summer and I've got an sweet jack all
from it. But it's been great, been around family, good food,
good company, So can't really complain.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Family and food, mate, That's all you need, no doubt.
I've got you on here because it's looking like the
only choice, the only option that New Zealand Rugby have
got to appoint this new all black coach is going
to be Jamie Joseph. I believe that's the only way
they can possibly go.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Do you agree? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:56):
I think who else is out there who's probably willing
to take this job head on, and someone who's probably
not afraid of what anybody thinks, and who backs himself
with the utmost conviction. It's probably Jamie Joseph in my
In my opinion, there's probably no one else who who
(02:16):
is willing to walk into this, into this fire, and
we all know it's a fire right now. It's a
massive pressure cooker for whoever takes that job. But I
think Jamie Joe is probably the guy that maybe should
have had this job two years ago, but it's here
now and I don't know if he's going to get it,
but if he does get it, he probably takes this
(02:37):
challenge on like he did his rugby career, like he's done,
always takes it full on, and he'll run into it
and we'll see how it goes.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I think it'll happen, but we don't know for sure.
But you're a guy who knows the way Jamie Joseph operates. Now,
you were involved with him way back in the early days,
weren't you. You are first pro contract was under Jamie
Joseph for the Wellington Lions.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Yep, sure was.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Obviously that was a very long time ago, like twenty ten,
So between now and what twenty twenty six, he would
have grown in so many different ways, I'm sure, and
he would have learned a lot, failed a lot, and
the way he coaches now probably isn't reflective of what
he was back then. But you know, deep down He's
still a pretty tough head coach, I'd say, and that's
(03:26):
been his backbone and to be make sure the teams
that he coaches are tough and they're ready and they
don't take a backward step, because that's what he was
like as a player. So yeah, I think he is
someone that is, you know, like right up for this
job and could take this job head on.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
So you worked with him at the lines. Then you
ended up spending a long time under his command. In fact,
you had a hell of a time, didn't he The
Highlanders scored the most points in franchise history. But you
played under him and through some bad times, but through
some good times as well. At twenty thirteen, and then
of course the title in twenty fifteen, which is the highlight.
(04:04):
What did you glean from that time, Jamie? How would
you reflect on what he did at the height of
his career, when he was winning stuff like that, even
though it was a good ten years ago.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Okay, Well, she was real character building stuff.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Some of the stuff he'd made us do, and I'm
not too sure those kind of practices would be allowed
in today's professional environments. There was no GPS back then,
and there was no thought for or regard for how
much she was maybe overcooking us, But there was method
(04:39):
to the madness and eventually that madness paid off in
twenty fifteen.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
But like you said, there was a big failure.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
There in twenty thirteen where we had brought all the
superstars in and we ended up going ZERI from eight
in our first eight games, didn't want a game, and
our season was done halfway through, you know. And I
think to be able to come back from that and
turn it around and take the lessons and bring in
new coaches and people who were better equipped for a
certain situations shows that he was willing to change. And
(05:09):
you know, obviously that's a long time ago now, that's
you know, over ten years. But I think all the
experience and all the time coaching overseas and what he's
learned and ah he's coach with, or who's had as
his managers, or all the different types of players probably
make him the right guy for the job now, especially
because it's so sensitive and it's it is a big ask.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
You know, you only got two years to get ready.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
But he's probably someone who could assemble a good enough
coaching staff to get the best and most out of
the talent that we've got, and take us forward into
that World Cup.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
You learn more about people under extreme pressure and duress.
You talk to all blacks. They remember the losses, they
don't remember the victory. So that's time in twenty thirteen.
How did he react after those eight consecutive losses? What
kind of attitude did he take? Did he was he ruffled?
Did he freak out? He stayed calm? Because that's what
(06:05):
we want to say, We want to know what they're
like under pressure, right, Lima.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Yeah, there were a lot of crisis meetings, for sure,
and I remember us vividly having one massive one with
him where he walked out of the room and we
went too sure sort of what happened, what had happened,
And then he come back sort of ten minutes later
(06:29):
and we gathered himself. But obviously, like I said, he
was a different coach back then, and the expectations were
pretty high, and we fumbled and we failed that pretty heavily.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
And there's no denying.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
That this time, if he was to get the job,
that the expectations would be ten times what they were
in twenty thirteen when he coached the Highlanders.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
You know, like we're talking about the All Blacks. Heah
the best and.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
The most wanted job in rugby as a head coach,
So I think those moments where he sort of failed
will probably push him into good stead heading into the
or Backs campaign because he's gone through it before. He's
gone through bad times and also carry teams out of bad.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Times into good times.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
And I'm not saying that all Backs are in a
bad time right now, they're just not clicking. And that's
one of his super strengths is to be able to
bring a group together and to help them connect and
get the most out of every single person in the group.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I was asking about that. I'm really keen on the
culture that he manages to put in place in the
development of players, how he deals with that. Stephen Hansen,
they talk about Steve and he was willing to put
an arm around the shoulder if things weren't going well.
He could also turn around and scream it when things
were going badly. So he's got that ability to connect
(07:49):
with a number of different players, Pakia, PACIFICA, new players,
old players. He's got that.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Yeah, he's got that and bucket loads and like not
all past players, like coach on the Jamie Joe might
agree with his methods, but for me personally anyway, what
he did for me really helped my career and helped me.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Like I said, character build.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
And there were some tough times, you know, like his
bloody made me do mauling one time against the Fords
to teach me a lesson how to look after my
forwards better. And I've never forgotten that, or the time
that he dragged me off in the thirty seventh minute
instead of waiting til halftime. All those lessons that he
had sort of given to me. I've looked back on
my career and been like, oh, you know, like I
(08:32):
actually needed that. Sometimes you don't think at the time
what his madness or his methods are going to help you,
but laid it down the line, you look back and
you're like, yeah, I needed that. So he definitely knows
how to manage players, you know, give players confidence, make
them go through hard stuff, because he knows that deep
down there's something that you can't see and there's a
(08:54):
greater talent inside you that maybe you're just not pulling
out of yourself. And I think that's probably one of
his special special talents.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Spent some time in Japan, as you did the lay
of the land Japanese rugby and coaching, what importance would
he taken out of that time? What would he bring
from the Japanese style of rugby and coaching that would
work well?
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Do you believe?
Speaker 4 (09:17):
I just think it would have been his experience over
in Japan, the way it's run, the way the Japanese run,
just howize the organization runs as all so totally foreign.
So it's the way that he was probably able to
connect with those players. Like you saw in twenty nineteen,
they tipped over Scotland, tipped over Ireland and you know
(09:37):
they went down to the eventual winners in South Africa.
And you don't do that at a home World Cut
without being able to connect with your players. And obviously
you know he speaks Japanese, but you know there was
probably a translator there as well, helping them through those
times of having to explain messages, get things across. So
(09:59):
I think that experience I've been able to be in
a foreign country and still get the best out of
your players shows that he.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Can do it. And imagine what what he might be
able to do.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
With players that speak English and understand them, and he
understands them, and they understand his culture, he understands their culture,
you know what I mean. So that it is pretty
exciting I think for the New Zealand public and for
the team if he is to get the job.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Yeah, so Tony Brown. They're trying to get Tony Brown
alongside because as a pair they're wonderful. Not essential or not,
do you think as far as his assistance are concerned.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Yeah, well, if you look at the success he's had,
it's always been those two. You know, they're kind of
like Shaq and Kobe of the coaching world, you know,
like you kind of need one and the other to
make Hay. So yeah, obviously, like I still back Jamie
to do their job.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
But if you have Tony Brown, then you're proper cooking.
I reckon.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
If you have those two together, that's like world class
and you're you're right. Our chances of bringing that World
Cup home in Australia, I reckon they dramatically go up tenfold.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
And finally, a Limusopolonga and thanks so much for joining us.
You'd expect there'll be a number of players coming in
that'll be pretty up for it, and the Super Rugby.
If that is the case that Jamie's still there, do
you think if it does happen, he'll stay with the
Heilands or go straight into the All Blacks? And who's
this captain going to be? And this is really coming
out on the limb, but I had to ask.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Yeah, it's probably a bit above above my pay grade
to make that. I'm just like a punter like everyone
else with my own opinion, trying to guess. Yeah, I
think maybe somebody else takes over maybe halfway through.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
That Highland the season.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
It's not ideal, but and then he probably focuses on
the All Blacks and then I don't know.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
I think the name that probably.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Brings a bell and everybody's probably like, yeah, that's the
man for the job, as.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Artis sa Vie.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
So I mean his body of work speaks for himself, Artie.
And that's not taking anything away from Scott, but I think,
you know, Artie's probably the people's captain. He's the person
that's carried out our team when it's been hard and
it's been tough. So I think, you know, if a
new coach comes in, that's probably an easy picking. It
(12:17):
probably stops some of the things that being said.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Online or in media or whatever. You know, you just
cut that off and you just move forward.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
You're blaming it on us again. You're pointing at the
bloody media and going, it's all.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
The media.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
I'm just saying, like you know, like I mean, I'm
meaning social media, you know, like you put it, you
put a team up, and you know, everybody's bagging like
jumps on lines like oh this guy should be kept
and no he should have a like bro, they don't
pick the captain themselves, you know what I mean, Like,
just leave the poor bloke alone.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
He's freaking trying his best, you know. Like whereas if
you make I.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Don't know, Artie captain, you probably like you get rid
of all that other outside noise and it just becomes sweet.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
We just carry on, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Well, that's what I like to think, and I wish
I could know you mean, But like, I've never played
rugby to any great level whatsoever, so I'm not gonna
do that. LIMASOPPEWANGI we thank you so much for your
time and your input and looking forward to pestering you
right the way throughout twenty twenty six. You still answer
the phone, won't you.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Yeah, of course, any time, any time.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
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