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April 30, 2026 12 mins

It was reported today that New Zealand Rugby and Rugby Australia are close to agreeing on a historic ANZAC day test match between the All Blacks and the Wallabies next year as part of preparation for the Rugby World Cup.

RA originally floated the idea in 2024 but were shut down by NZR, but with a different leadership group the organisation looks to have had a change of heart on the issue.

Former Wallabies midfielder Tim Horan joined the Afternoons team to discuss.

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Dancy Waldegrave
from News Talk ZEDB.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Reported today that the New Zealand Rugby and Rugby Australia
are close to agreeing on it on an historic Anzac
Day Test match between the All Blacks and the Wallabies
next year as part of preparation for the Rugby World Cup.
Later on, the piece that maybe Australia originally floated this
idea back in what twenty twenty four, but they were

(00:35):
shut down by n z R because it wasn't their idea.
They were shut down by the NZR, but with different
leadership and group, the organization maybe looking to change their
decision of a change of heart on the issue. This
of course was following this decision, This concept was following
the wildly successful super Round just having to be held

(00:56):
over Anzac.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
We can we're going to talk about that.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
We're going to take your calls on that as well
on our eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Get primed
to get ready to go because we'll be talking to
you straight after. This bloke, former Wallaby's midfielder, two time
Rugby World Cup champ, he's a stand sport commentator. One
of the best second five center inside center midfielders Australia

(01:21):
have developed. His name is Tim Horn. He joins us
now to discuss this ANZAC possibility.

Speaker 4 (01:27):
Good evening, Tim, good evening, Thanks having on the show.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
Hey, look, thanks very much for joining us.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Are you still getting over the fun and games when
you're in christ Church last week at that super round?

Speaker 3 (01:37):
Because that was extraordinary, wasn't it.

Speaker 5 (01:40):
Yeah, it was a special three or four days for
the community rugby community, but also just the community of
christ Church and the surrounding areas. And also if I
think made everyone proud around New Zealand, I think for
what they've you know, you know people in Canterbury, what
they've been through over the last fifteen years or so.
You know, it didn't play for about eighteen months, you

(02:00):
know in christ Church post the earthquake in February twenty eleven,
and then all of course, as we know then had
that sort of sort of a pretty it was a permanent,
temporary stadium and now they caught it.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
A lean too.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
You're allowed to have a crack out. And it wasn't
a stadium. It was built by a garage construction company.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
Sorry, you're able.

Speaker 4 (02:21):
To tell you what won some Super Rugby titles.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:25):
So I think the new stadium, I think one New
zeal Start's a great stadium. It's when I first walked
in impressive that I'm going, Gee, it's only twenty five thousand,
but then of course you can get it up to
about thirty six or thirty seven thousand with extra seats
at one end, so you know, if you have an
all black test match there later this year apparently that
you know, be a decent stadium for to hold that.
But I think just the whole precinct to the bars

(02:46):
and the restaurants around there is fantastic and people can
walk from the ground and you know, a closed roof
and it's I think teams now have certainty of where
they're going to play and what game plan they're going
to play.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
Because you go to christ Church play test.

Speaker 5 (03:02):
Match, you think you're going to get sideways rain win,
so it's dictates how you're going to play.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
Whereas this stadium now you've got certainty.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Well that's why the Brumby's managed to blow their lines
because they're used to playing in driving rain and freezing cold.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
And it's old on.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
This is not what we expected, but when you look
across the entire weekend, it's hard not to think because
this is the way things go. New zeal On Rugby
and Rugby Australia are negotiating this concept that RA had
last year.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
Very close.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
We're told to agreeing on an historic Anzac Test, so
all Blacks play Wallabies in April twenty twenty seven. Do
you think they looked at the success of the Super
Round on Anzac Day and thought we want a bit
of that and they just flogged the idea from right
out from underneath super Rugby.

Speaker 4 (03:48):
No, I know that.

Speaker 5 (03:49):
You know, Rugby Australia has been looking at this concept
for about three years now to have a Bledisloe Cup
game on Anzac Day, make it really special and you
know know that no other sport can really do that.

Speaker 4 (04:01):
Other sports AFL.

Speaker 5 (04:02):
Yes, they've been having Collingwood and Nessen and for many
many years to twenty odd years and Anzac Day and
the NRL. I think it's the Roosters versus George and
that's been in a tradition for a while. But for
rugby we haven't really had that tradition. So yes, super
Round was fantastic. I think if super Round's on again
next year in christ just I don't think it'll be

(04:23):
on Anzac weekend. I think they'll move it so there's
a few more matches. I think the great thing about
being on Anzac week and I actually thought it made
it for the opening because you had a couple of
Australian teams playing New Zealand teams.

Speaker 4 (04:35):
That was part of the Anzac spirit and the weekend.

Speaker 5 (04:39):
But if you move it away from Anzac weekend the
Super Round you might be able to play Reds might
play the Brumbies and the Blues might play the Hurricanes.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
Have a few more grudge matches.

Speaker 5 (04:49):
Then that leaves that window open for Anzac Day for
the Wallabies to play the All Blacks in a bled
a slow Cup match to be unbelievable. I mean they're
always sold out, but this one would be much more special,
especially coming into a Rugby World Cup year.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
It's quite a stress or a strain on the players.
I'm not sure how it would get juggled, but it's
an Anzac Test and it does feature the Australians and
the New Cylinders who make up well at that stage
pretty much every team and Super Rugby. What kind of
introaction or shake up will that bring to super rugby
and does that even matter to him?

Speaker 4 (05:25):
Well, it's I think it's quite simple.

Speaker 5 (05:28):
You just every team has a buy on that weekend
and it allows you. Yes, you might only get seven
days coming into a test match for preparation, but that's okay.

Speaker 4 (05:40):
It's going to be something unique.

Speaker 5 (05:41):
I think it's I think David Kirk in New Zealand
rugby he understands what we're fighting against because he's lived
in Australia for so long now and understands the other
codes and our challenges there. So you know, and maybe
it's a good decision for next year leading into a
World Cup where you're not playing too many test matches
towards the back end the season prior to a Rugby

(06:02):
World Cup. You're playing one test early in April. And
I just think it's going to come down to the
Rugby Players Association come down to New Zealand Rugby Union
also called it course Rugby Australia. But I think it's
a great concept and I think it would work.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
Surprise it's taken so long.

Speaker 5 (06:18):
Term, Yes, I am, but you know, traditionally all the
test matches that the Wallaby is playing. Of course, the
All Blacks play don't start till July, so that the
hesitancy would be around players preparation time haven't done. We
don't play test matches. That's just not what we do.
So you know, if the players have to really buy

(06:40):
into it, if they decide to do it, players have
to say well, yes, we'd love to play. Then that's
a good opportunity one to you know, celebrate what the
Anzac spirit's all about. But to have a tradition it
might not have. Doesn't have to be every year, but
it might be every second year the Wallabies playing the
All Blacks.

Speaker 4 (06:57):
There.

Speaker 5 (06:57):
I think it'll be a great concept and will be
sold out as soon as it goes on the market.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
Handy, it's all tied up to the Blidsay couple.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Should that be kept as a separate entity because it's
got enough on it as it is, surely or does
it need to be tied in with the Anzac spirit
to make it work?

Speaker 5 (07:12):
No. I think it'd be part of a Bitterslow Cup
test series, whether that's two tests or whether that's three tests.

Speaker 4 (07:18):
That's what it is. And some people will say, well,
what happens.

Speaker 5 (07:20):
With the all Backs beat the Wallabies first up and
then you know, you know that you've got the Letterslow
Cup wrapped up because you're not playing another test for
another five months.

Speaker 4 (07:28):
But I don't think that's the matter.

Speaker 5 (07:29):
I just think it's more so the tradition builds some
sort of tradition on the Anzac Day.

Speaker 4 (07:34):
Doesn't that be every year? But no, I think it'll
be a great.

Speaker 5 (07:37):
Concept and you know, if the players buy in, I
think it'll get off the ground.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
The Herald New Zealand Herald biggest newspaper in New Zealand.
They're chief Rugby right Gregor Paul released this story and
he seems to think that the change in direction because
ZR wasn't really interested in this idea when Phil first
floated it. It's because the enormous amount of change within
the halls of power at New Zealand Rugby. So it's

(08:03):
almost like an entire clean sheet. Isn't that they're willing
to look at anything that's going to work for the
good of the game. I'm sure you don't know the
finer detail. Well, that would make sense that this new
look ins it are are looking at every possible opportunity.

Speaker 5 (08:19):
I think it'll come down to David Kirk. I think
that's where the key lies was. David understands, as I said,
the landscape in Australia, he lives here. But he also
understands that for world rugby and for the Southern Hemisphere
to be successful at a powerhouse.

Speaker 4 (08:36):
You need the Wallabies to be strong.

Speaker 5 (08:39):
And I think, you know, any help that we can
get from you know, the All Blacks and their brand
and what we're trying to build here is a positive
thing for the game in the Southern Hemisphere and for
Australian rugby. So you know we need a bit of
a help to get our brand back up and going
in course Rugby World Cup next year.

Speaker 4 (09:00):
But I just think this is a no brainer.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
And how important would that be for the populace of
Australia to a heat of the World Cup, as you mentioned,
to light a fire under it by having an event
like this. You can't help but think it's part of
a marketer's dream for the upcoming World Cup, which is
slightly later in the year. But it works on old
front for Rossie rugby, doesn't it.

Speaker 5 (09:23):
Yeah, it'd be a good little appetizer coming into Rugby World Cup,
you know, an early test match in April, and subject
to where it's played, there'll be some good bidders. You know,
the state governments in Australia bid for these games now,
so you know Perth Opta Stadium will certainly throw their
hand up.

Speaker 4 (09:41):
That's probably the favor.

Speaker 5 (09:42):
At the moment because you know where all the final
and the semi finals and quarter files have been played
in Rubby World Cup, a lot of them. Of course,
the final and semis are in Sydney, so could be Adelaide,
Brisbane potentially. So there's some really good options for that
game to not be played in Sydney.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
And there's a chance maybe it's at Suncorp. You'd like that,
wouldn't you.

Speaker 5 (10:06):
I've had a reasonable record at some corbatter many years
the one to be so I got to try and
find somewhere where we can sort of get some sort
of small advantage and give us a chance to try
and get one hand on the Blitterslow Cup.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
And just going back to the wonderful soup a round
and it was amazing when you look into the future
of that. I'm sure now a lot of ceties beenamty.
We wouldn't mind a bit of that but in Christich
a week so well, because where it is, do you
see that maybe not being permanent, but maybe that contract
going maybe five years just to embed that as a concept.
Would that work for you guys who think it needs

(10:39):
to go back over the ditch every now and then.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
I don't think five years is the timeframe. I like three.

Speaker 5 (10:45):
I think your first year successful, second year can really
back it up. Third year, you know it is just
as exciting. And I was really surprised the amount of
Australians it flew from Australia out of Sydney, outer Bruceban,
out of Perth. A lot of people flew over to
watch the game. There was upwards of six or seven
thousand Aussies that came over.

Speaker 4 (11:04):
So and that'll that'll nearly double.

Speaker 5 (11:06):
I reckon next year is they're going to tell all
their friends what a great event it was. So I'm
thinking three years, another two more years in christ Church
would be good.

Speaker 4 (11:14):
Then you might be able to move it maybe to sun.

Speaker 5 (11:16):
Court Stadium in Briwcebane, maybe to the Gold Coast for
one year and then back to New Zealand for a
couple I think probably a good little momentum Swinger and
next year there's obviously only going to be ten Super
Rugby teams, so the only thing is with Super Rugby,
someone's going to lose a home game. So the challenge

(11:37):
is if Queensland plays New South Wales and they play
it at Super Round, well Sydney or Brisbane is going
to lose out on a home game and that's the
revenue is pretty important for those states.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
Like the way you see maybe sun Court wants to
read always a read. One last thing for you, Tim Horan,
thanks very much joining us on the program. Always appreciate
your time. Do you believe this is what international rugby
between Australia and New Zealand really need?

Speaker 3 (12:04):
This event? How important is this to you believe for
the strength of both teams?

Speaker 5 (12:08):
Well, I think globally the game's very strong and the
game certainly humming in the Northern Hemisphere like it was
probably ten years ago. The Southern Hemisphere we're probably I
wouldn't say we're treading water, but we certainly need a
little bit of a lift and hopefully our ANZAC brothers
can give us that and partner with us for this

(12:29):
ANZAC test match. I think it's a no brainer. Fans, players,
administrators and the game will be healthy after the tradition
that can go on for a long period of time.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
Wonderful stuff out of stand Sport, former Wallaby two times
World A Cup one I.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
Think at test Timurn, thanks very much.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
For joining the program. Really appreciate your opinion and the
fact join us.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
Do you go well?

Speaker 4 (12:52):
Oh got chat?

Speaker 1 (12:53):
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