March 13, 2026 • 40 mins
Jamie Mackay talks to Rowland and Ingrid Smith, Te Radar, Karn Dhaliwal, and Ben Picton.
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Monday, Jeday and good Morning, New Zealand. I'm Jamie McKay.
This is the best of the country, brought to you
each and every Saturday morning here on Newstalks. The'd be
by Rabobank. We're growing a better New Zealand together. I've
been all over the country in the past week. I'm
in Wanaka this morning. Last weekend i was in Masterdon
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for the Golden Shares. Midweek I was in christ Church
for the Xander MacDonald Award and also the Impact Summit.
So we're going to talk to Roland and Ingrid Smith.
Roland won the World Sharing Champs at the Golden Shares
in Marsted. And we're going to talk to Teradar, the
voice behind the FMG Young Farmer Contest, a dynamic young
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Sydney based senior economist looking at how the New Zealand
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Let's kick off the show with, as I said in
the intro, the first couple of New Zealand sharing. Surely
they are now Roland and Ingrid Smith. Roland, I want
to start with you, winner of the World Sharing Championships
at Masterton on a magnificent Saturday night at the War
Memorial Stadium there. The world title was the one you
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were really after. Congratulations, We're all so proud of you.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
It was the one that there was a goal. Yeah,
what a heck of a final. It was being in
a parent ourse for Wall Romney for Wall and second
chair sir. Yeah, she certainly took a bit of mental
mental capacity to get through that final. And yeah, like
I said on the night, I was absolutely buggered after that.
I was I just everything went into the air. And yeah,
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unfortunately in the open final, you know, so half an
hour later I wasn't able to back it up, but
you know, and a deserved winner of tor Henderson. What
an amazing athlete he is.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Well he's your good mate. You're both the Northlanders. You
were representing New Zealand and the team's event. You won
that one as well, and the Tour was a sheep
ahead of you, or got off the board a sheep
ahead of you in that World Sharing Open final. But
did you know in your herder hearts that you'd won
that because of your quality?
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Look, I came off the board and I was very
happy with the way i'd Sean and I had a
very solid share. You know, you can sort of I
have done a fair bit of it now and you
can sort of feel how things are gone. And I was,
you know, I was very pleased that I had. It
was controlled and I felt like a and everything I
could so certainly came away knowing that I hadn't left
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anything the chance. So you know, but you can never
count out the likes of Tour or Gavin or you know,
there was the current world champion was in the final too,
so you know, there's jam packs full of people, so
you need to count chickens. But I was quietly, quietly confident.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
You mentioned the Golden Chars Open Final, which was the
final event of the night, and you did you got
some shocking sheep, if you don't mind me saying so, Roland,
you got a few kickers there, but you were looked
like you were physically spent.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Yes, I when I pulled out the first sheep, and
it was giving me a bit of jip when I
put it down, and my hand was a pretty cramping
when I was reaching for the hand piece, and when
I turned for the end of mine, my legs added cramping,
and I was like, oh, it's going to be a long, long,
nineteen more sheep after this. But yeah, just you know,
I think, you know, put everything into that World final,
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and which was which was a decision that I'd made
before he sure on it was that there's going to
be nothing after this. So yeah, hey, look I'm not
a sharer at full time anymore at all, So a
few years ago it wouldn't have mattered at all. But
you know, it's sort of the mental side of it.
When you're not sharing, it certainly takes it out of
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you as well, just trying to remember what you meant
to be doing. So yeah, unfortunately you couldn't get the double,
but but we got the one we were there for.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Well, I think it was a perfectly scripted finish to
be perfectly honest, for New Zealand and the New Zealand
team and the New Zealand Shares, you're getting one each
and probably getting the ones you both wanted.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Yeah, and look at the most successful New Zealand team
in the history of World champs So how how cool
is that, you know, to be a part of that
and you know, sort of going out the way. You know,
he couldn't have written it better really, So yeah, definitely proud.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Did the forty minute delay because we had a bit
of a mix up with the sheep behind the stand there.
These things do happen. Did that forty minute delay a
fixed you guys? Because it was right before that World
Championship Open final. You probably were revved up and ready
to go. Then you had to sit on your thumbs
for forty minutes.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Yeah, sort of, you know, you're getting prepared to go
up and sort of come back in and tell us
now it's ten minutes sort of four times that it
is something that you know, you are sort of gearing
up and trying to be hydrated and eating at the
right time and all that sort of thing. I mean,
it's a very very texting event to the twenty sheep final,
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it's you know, sixteen seventeen minutes of you know, as
fast as your body can handle it. So yeah, no,
it definitely probably it was a bit unnerving there, but
you know it's the same for everybody, so you just
do the best you can.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
How tough with those big second share two tooths to
share that you've had a great summer in the Lower
North Island and the Wira Rappa region. They've grown out beautifully,
but gee, there was a lot of body mass to cover.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Yeah, and they were very, very physical, and I think
that's what took the toll in the open final was
just the sheer amount of straining to keep them under control.
Potentially that's because the technique isn't quite as good as
that once was when your full time sharing. Maybe that's
why I was quite as naked as I was. But
you know, what a credit to the farmers. You know
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how many sheep were there, six or seven thousand over
the weekend, huge huge mission to get that organized, and
you're just very thankful for them to have them there
and be in such good condition. So I think everybody
was pretty happy to get to get to share such.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Sheep Roland, you weren't the only famous smith over the weekend.
Your better half Ingrid was featuring or so were you
in a very minor role too. I might add Roland
on country Calendar and this was one of the best
country calendars for ages Ingrid, your mum, Colin and Margaret Baines. Gee,
they're hard cases and hard workers. Did you and enjoyed
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the program last night?
Speaker 4 (07:02):
I did?
Speaker 5 (07:02):
It was really interesting because obviously they spend many many
hours filming and to see what they put in in
the shots that they put in was really cool and
just showcasing well one the beauty of the land that
they're on, but also mum and Dad's character, like they
just captured them and their work ethic and their values
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really well.
Speaker 6 (07:26):
Well.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
I love the quote I think from your father, Colin,
who said there's no place for any shirkers around here.
Speaker 7 (07:33):
It's very true.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
We always knew to pitch in with enthusiasm whenever we
worked together.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Well, I love the way the family gets together to
do the annual sharing. And the interesting thing from my
point of view out of that was obviously the program
was about your mum and dad and the siblings of
you guys as well, But there was another guy sitting
in the background with a very minor role. His name
was Roland Smith. That it wasn't even mentioned that he
was a sharer, let alone a world champion. Who was
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that by design ingrid I.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
Don't actually know, because he was ringing the board as
he always does. But yeah, when he comes to share,
he just skips his head down and gets the work
done and carries us all the rest of us all
through the day. So yeah, I'm not sure why they
didn't mention that. Maybe they knew he was going to
get a bit more publicity. This weekend just gone.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Well, it's rather ironic that it's coincided. What a great
weekend for your family. And I love the story and
we've talked about this one before. You and your mum
marg setting that world record the two stand for eight
hours remind me of the Tellies.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
So I did four seventy and mum did four thirty
three for a total of nine oh three.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
That is amazing. And your mum's still on the end
of the hand piece.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
She is, although she had a wee bit of an
accident a few weeks ago, so she won't be on
the hand py snytime soon. But up until that point,
she yeah, she still loves it. She gets up there,
we'll give each other spell. She's on everybody's standards having
to go and she's still a very, very capable sharer.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Ingrid Smith talking about a world sharing record she set
with a mum. How good was that country calendar program
last weekend? Up next part two of her interview with
Roland Smith and Ingrid Smith, the dynamic first couple of
sharing and of course let's not forget Ingrids, the made
up farmer. We're also going to chat with Terareda. We're
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going to chat with the bloke who won the Xander
McDonald Award in christ Church on Tuesday evening. And Ben Picton,
Rabobank's senior economist out of Sydney.
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Now I'm going to be talking to to Raider shortly
on the show, and he's been featuring in a woman's magazine, Ingrid,
I wouldn't be surprised if you the first couple of
New Zealand farming, Roland than Ingrid Smith. They might want
to cover for you, guys and a woman's magazine simply
because if not for Roland's acting ability, for your for
your profile as the made up farmer.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
Well, maybe I haven't. I haven't had any emails yet,
but I'll patiently wait.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Tell us about the made up farmer.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Okay, So that started a few years ago. I was
mum of small children. I've been had a career as
a bank manager and as a serializer rep, and I
was at home and I really Rowley was always out
working super super hard, and he was our main breadwinner,
and I felt like I wanted to contribute financially. I
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came across this lipstick that doesn't come off and got
the opportunity to sell it, So I started selling that
under the name Ki Kisses. But as our benches evolved
into farming and I became more involved with the farm
side of things, but were still wearing makeup, I kind
of changed my brand to be the made up farmer,
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which is kind of a play on words because when
I wear makeup while I'm farming.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
But also on a day to day basis, I feel like.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
I don't know what I'm doing. I feel like I'm
just making it up as I go along, and yeah,
I have quite a following. I just I like doing
entertaining social media posts about I don't know anything and everything,
just doing some lip sinking, and then I get the
odd troll that tries to tell me I can't do
what I'm doing while wearing makeup. So I kind of
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hit back at them, which has brought me quite a
few like minded women.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
So it's all.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
It's all good fun. It's a little bit of extra money,
and it's Yeah, it just seems to be growing and
growing over the last couple of years.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Well, you've got a great following. I know all the
girls that work here follow you and they think it's wonderful.
How do you deal with the old keyboard warriors? I
mean it's part and parcel when you get a profile.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
Yeah, so, I like anywhere is allowed to their opinion,
that they're allowed to share their opinion, and I will
often use that as content and I will make a
real coming back at them. But if I get too nasty,
I just block them. It's just not worth giving them
their attention they so desperately crave. But I do find
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that when I come back at these people that it
brings more people who are like me to me. So
it does have its downside.
Speaker 6 (12:37):
It is it is.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
Hard to deal with. Sometimes it affixed me less now
than it did because I make it into my advantage.
But yeah, the plus side is that more women like
me say and they follow me and yeah, it's really cool.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Well you're doing a great job. Make sure you keep
up with that. Okay, tell me back to you. Roland Smith,
is this it for you? Did we get the hint
of a retirement speech between you and Norm Haraway? I'm
not quite sure the message got out there on the ground,
I got the feeling that you were saying to Norm,
that's that I'm out of here. I'm gone.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Yeah. So it's actually a lot to remember. Obviously, when
you you know they announce, you know, the winner, and
the emotions go through your head. You know, I've been
lucky enough to win it back in twenty fourteen. Obviously,
twenty seventeen never got the charts to defend it. I
was next into the team which was which was pretty tough.
And then in twenty nineteen I was second by point
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zero one of a point there. So you know, to
finally come back and to be able to prove to myself,
you know, after hipsurdery and all those sort of things
along the way that I you know, to me, it's
always important to back up something by doing it again.
It sort of cements the thing. And that's always been
the goal, was to win it again. So yeah, to
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be able to achieve that, even though I'm not a
sharer as such anymore, it's been a pretty tough sort
of a journey of the last six weeks. But yeah,
that was the goal was this was his name more
for me anymore, so I won't be competing it in
his zeld shares or anything like that. Yeah, and to
be able to go out on on top of pretty awesome.
(14:15):
So I just forgot to mention it when I was speaking. Yeah,
but yeah, no, there's yeah, that's me done. Potentially in
the future of my kids decide they want to get
into it, then I might come back and support them
and share along with them. But yeah, for the moment,
we'll be sitting back and helping the future of sharing
rather than being being in it. So yeah, that's me, Jamie.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
I was really impressed by your Northland mate Tyler Henderson,
winner of the Golden Shares Open final. He's a week
bit younger than you. He's still a very experienced sharer,
but he'd have to be odds on. You would think
in three years time in Australia one hundred.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
He spent ten years over there sharing. He's a very
very capable Marino sharer, so you know, as far as
an all round sharer, and he's only as good as
it gets. So yeah, look, it'll be interesting to see
whether or not he decides to keep on his journey.
I'm sure he will. But but again, it's a big,
big sacrifice to be at that level, whether it be
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on your family or whether it be career. You know,
whether us was farming, every time that we decide to
go to be competing, you know you're sacrificing whether it
be you know, on farm decisions, because farming is an
everyday decision. Farmers know that, so you know, big sacrifices.
So you know, for him, it's a journey that him
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and his family need to make. And again that's the
reason that I'm stepping away now is because you know,
that's enough for us and for me and focus on
the future of our farming and things like that. But yes,
it's in a very good state our sharing industry. Look
at the one hundred and twenty Open Shares on the
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weekend and you know, look we got very very very
good future.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
I believe.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Yeah, it was great to meet Mike Anderson Tower's father
who drives them all around the country quite literally to
support his sharing. And I'll tell you who else it
was great to meet. I was walking over for a
bear and the fans owe. Unfortunately that closed the bar
on me Roland while the delay was on. Anyhow, we
got back in there, Shane mcmanaway and myself and I
ran into a bloke who introduced himself as Roger Cox,
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and I said, well, I know who you are. You've
won three Golden Share Open titles. And it was great
to catch up with John Fagan, so David's older brother
as well, who's also won a Golden Shares title and
the Golden Pliers. And I said to these guys, we
need to start a campaign roll and then you'll be
all for this. Before the Open final, we need to
get all the previous winners up on stage for a
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photo while we've still got them.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Look, there's some legends in our industry
and you know, it's great to see John I saw
him before the final there, you know. And David how amazing.
You know, David Fagan, he's you know, well he's the
goat of our industry and still there supporting and helping you.
And even Johnny Kirkpatrick, you know, up there making sure
everything was being on before the final. You know that
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some incredible people in our industry and you're just very
thankful that they pop back, which is what it's all about,
isn't it.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Okay? Roland Smith, Ingrid Smith, thank you so much for
your time, Ingrid. A great country calendar, one of the
best I've seen ever. Are You're from a legendary family.
You keep up the good work as the made up
farmer and Roland Smith. You just enjoy doing what you love.
You've got iron disease, Get onto those diggers and the
tractors and away you go. You've earned it.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Cheers, cheers, Jane.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Thank you, Ingrid.
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Our next guest is a rural icon. He's taken a
break from his farm he's been lugging tannalized posts over
his shoulder, sort of west Auckland version of pine Tree Meads.
But has this rural icon son of a whitecaddo dairy
farmer gone soft? Has he sold his soul to the
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women's magazines? I was making my way home from the
Golden Shares yesterday in the airport lounge and there it
was the New Zealand Woman's Weekly, Desperate Fergie's Next Move.
This is Sarah Ferguson. She's very dangerous. Engelbert Humpadink I
feel as young as Eva. Just a couple of the
stories that grabbed my attention that he's had a lot
of work done on his face, that old guy. But
(18:34):
eder Andrew Lumston, what's the story of a bloke like
you being in the women's magazines?
Speaker 6 (18:39):
Look to be honest, I haven't read the story. Actually,
we were doing some promo obviously for the book that
came out last year, and we've got various book festivals
that have been attending over the last little while. What's
got rural Kevi Country, rural New Zealand and a hundred
objects and so you know, you like to get the
word out there. That amongst all the different audiences that
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the book is out or the show is out. In fact,
I just did the world premiere of the live version
of it last week at the Hamilton Arts Festival, so
we'll be trucking that around. So any anywhere you can
get a little bit of a mention about about the
book and about things. Reminds people that you're not dead, Jimmy,
you know, and I'm clearly in good company. There's an
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another great redhead and there Fergie. I've had less work
done than than Engelbird, but I've got a good moisturizing regim.
I put my some block on this morning because we're
having an unprecedented last bit of late summer up here
in Awkward. It's dry drying the white caddo. It was
pretty dried out in Tadanaki Manawatwo as well, you know,
not something we'll had for the last couple of months.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Well, I was a wire rapper for the weekend and
we've talked about this already, but my goodness, they're having
a Royaler of the season and you should have seen
radar the size of the sheep they had to share
in the Golden Shares finals. They have had a very
good summer. Indeed, Rightio, let's go across to the other
side of the Lower North Island the Taranaki man Or
(20:02):
two regional final. What happened over the weekend?
Speaker 6 (20:06):
Look of Charlie, what's going to happen? A new power
couple emerged in the farming sector in the Taaranaki man
Or two region. I've done this for a while. I've
probably done more than fifty or sixty regional finals. I've
never seen an engaged couple when all four of those
of your of your your sectional prizes. So Sarah Lockhart
engaged to David Reesby, who took out the title.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Surely the first couple of young farmers is the brother
and sister Tim and Emma. Look Tim danger.
Speaker 6 (20:34):
Pool, you've got You've got Tim Poole and sorry Tim,
Tim Dangen and Emma Pool. But you've also got Chris Paul,
husband of Emma Poul. He was He was a pretty
good grand finalist as well. I think did he come
second to Tim? Maybe?
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Yes, I think he did. Yeah. They kept it in
the family for a couple of years.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
There they really they really really did. Don't know, all
the very best to them. Where what are we now
over halfway through? We've got four of the seven done,
so we've got a great lineup of young Grand finalists
and we've got three more to go.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
You're off to the East Coast this weekend. Then you
get a break for a fortnight why katt Obay have plenty,
then you get a break I think for Easter Northern
Regional Final. It's all building towards that big Grand Final
the Shear in New Plymouth.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
New Plums.
Speaker 8 (21:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (21:18):
I believe the practical day is in gorgeous Stratford, so
I'll look forward to that, and then I think it
the first week of July we're down there as well,
so it's going to be interesting. You've got You've got
a lot of tough and very smart Grand finalists so
far from around the regions, and I suspect you've probably
spoken to some where young Jack Taggett, he was actually
there he won Old Angie a few weeks. But we've
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got Thomas Slee from Otago Southland and Bryce Wynne took
out Pairsman. So there's the four of them so far
and there's another what twenty twenty four competitors now sitting
around thinking is it going to be me to make
up those final three points.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
And Thomas Slee, of course, son of Richard Slee, who's
a former New Zealand Young Farmer of the Year, seping
it in the family as well. Maybe they're the first
family of young farmers.
Speaker 8 (22:04):
They are.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
And actually we had your old mate Andrew Hoggart was
there to present some prizes on Saturday as well. He's
a former Young Farmer of the Year two thousand and three.
I think he won. And we both stood there and went,
you know, some of these people probably weren't even born
in two thousand and three. And sure enough one of
the young organizers from the Young Farmer's Club went, yeah,
I wasn't born until two thousand and nine. I was, oh, great, wow, Now.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
I think I think my old mate Andrew Hoggard right.
No one likes the corrector, but sometimes people need to
be corrected. I don't think he won the Grand Final.
I think he was in the Grand Final because my
records I'm just looking and speaking off Mike here would
suggest that Robert Kentthorm another good Southland to one in
two thousand and three.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
Oh well, maybe he didn't. I thought, maybe he won,
maybe won the Tarhaman region.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Not sure, Well, I think I think he was a
grand finalist, so he obviously won. He obviously won a region.
All right. Well, it's nice to know that you're not dead.
Speaker 6 (23:00):
Not dead, well not yet, well not if.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
You're in the woman's magazines.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
I know what I feel like. I had to put
a little bit of extra petrol in the auga today
because I'm a bit concerned that the clay at the
top of the hills is going to be a bit
firm as I start to dig these posts and later on.
So if you never hear from me again, Jamie, I'm
still trying to get a post.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
On the ground.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Now, are you really carrying the tantalized posts on your
shoulder like the great.
Speaker 6 (23:26):
I've used my little mower tractor and my mower trailer,
which is as sophisticated as I get to load the
post up, and I've dropped them off, and I'm waiting
for the neighbor and the ghost mentioned to come around
and open their gate, and I'm going to lug them
up to the top of the hill and then I
will be carrying them up and down. But I have
I'm going to strategically choose the lighter ones to carry
the greater distance.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
You truly are living on a life sentence block.
Speaker 6 (23:48):
Rad It's the kind of renovation that you have to
do on one of these properties that isn't a new
kitchen or a new bathroom or a deck, but it
does make it worthwhile when you can see a nice
new fence in there.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Plus it gives you rural creed. Even if you are
in the New Zealand Woman's Weekly. I enjoyed the story
by the way. You're punching above your weight there with
your partner Ruth, I might add too as well.
Speaker 6 (24:08):
Yes, yes, and also great. She did a lot of
research and wrote a lot of the book as well,
and has helped out a lot on the on the
show of the book. So actually, next time I think
we're down in Wonica in a couple of weeks, I
do the White Kado Bay of plenty one, and then
I've got to get all the way from the Bay
of plenty straight down to Wannaka for an evening discussion
on the book. So if anyone's down there part of
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the aspiring conversation, we'll bring something along as well. If
you've got a rural object that you think should be
part of it. Bring it along because one of the
great things about the book you can discuss all the many, many,
many other objects that could have made it.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
That is a great read. I can tell you that
because I've read it. Okay, right, thanks for your time.
We'll catch you again and we'll have a look at
the East Coast final.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
Let's do that, all right, the.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
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Yesterday I spent the day in christ Church for the
Impact Summit and last night had the good fortune and
great honor to mc the Xander MacDonald Award for twenty
twenty six. We had an Aussie winner his name was
Bryce Nayland. And we had a Kiwi winner his name
was Khan Daliwell, Khan joins us on the country today
and I'll tell you what you beat off. Chloe Butcher
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Harries and Lana Marshall, good South and girl. They were
very impressive candidates. You must be wrapped to have won this, Khan.
Speaker 8 (27:06):
Yeah, I think a testament to the Chloe and Lana
they they had a lot of great initially as they
were pushing in their community. So I'm very fortunate and
quite taken back when my name was called out. So yeah,
wonderful opportunity to be a part of and and honor
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the spirit of the award.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
So when you guys got up, the sixth finalists got
up in the afternoon to present your cases. Three Aussi's,
three New Zealander. If we don't mind me saying so,
Karan and I know you're of Indian descent, but you
sounded like an Aussi. You still sound like a Nassi
to me.
Speaker 8 (27:43):
Yeah, yeah, I think that. I'm not too sure where
that actually comes from. But I am based up in
northern White Ketto and we sit quite quite Barna District
and close to the hills, one of the last few
dairy farms, so I think those hills are having an
influence on the exit I've picked up over the years.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
So calm deally, Well, let's have a look at your backstory,
because it's a very good one and a very impressive one.
After gaining experience as a rural banker and a fertilizer rep,
you went back farming, but not dairy farming like your parents.
You went into market gardening. Why market gardening. That's a
tough gig.
Speaker 8 (28:20):
Yeah, yeah, it is a tough gig. I think between
my wife and I, Bry, we were kind of I
grew up the dairy farm. I came from a small scale,
so I kind of saw the challenges of what lee,
the challenges around reinvesting in the business and a flexibility
it gave you. So but we always wanted to go farming,
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but what we found it was hard to go and
invest in derrec is really capital intensive industry we are
part of, so to get scar from the start was
a real challenge. So we looked at a whole lot
of other things, and at the time we didn't really
take into account the risk five of them because we
were young, so we decided to start a horticultural based business.
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We saw a lot of opportunity in that market, so
we went into cropping and we grove watermeltonins sort of
local market. We developed the blueberry orchard which are explorded
into Australia and we've just built ten hectar read Kvy
fruit orchard. So it's been a real journey. But the
opportunities that has given us, as you know, it's given
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us what we've wanted to achieve and and a great
entry point was at scale into the into the sector.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
How does the kiwi go on?
Speaker 6 (29:36):
Why?
Speaker 3 (29:36):
At our region.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Very good.
Speaker 8 (29:39):
So in Towinga, as you may know, there is a
shortage of land, so Aukland and Wipe at the fastest
grown regions for kevy fruit plantings in New Zealand, so
it is they don't like the frost, so we do
prosmetic with water. But other than that it is a
very ideal climate to grow kivy fruit.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Horticulture and market gardening in particular is a fraught way
to make a living. It can have rich rewards, it
can also spank you big time. You got hit by
cyclone Gabrielle.
Speaker 8 (30:10):
Yeah, that's right. So one of our big years and
our annual crop in business, we increased our plantings and
took on a quite a substantial contract and we invested
a lot and unfortunately cyclone Gabrielle came in and wiped
out the whole lot. I remember getting a phone call
from the lease landowner not to calm down. But I
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think you can look at that two ways. You can
look at that as, hey, maybe this isn't for us,
or what could have we done to change it? And
we never asked the question what if a one fifty
year event came through? And I think we need to
be asking that now. So we went away from that,
rebuilt our business in a different location and split up
all our blocks across Four Leafs Farms, And since that day,
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we've mitigated a lot of that risk and we had
a lot more resilient business out of it.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Come Dally well there twenty twenty six Xander McDonald Award winner.
You beat off a couple of stunning entrants in Chloe Butcher,
Harries and Lana Marshall. Well done and I'm sure you'll
do a great job as an ambassador over the next
twelve months.
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Thanks for your time, No beautiful.
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Appreciate that, Jamie.
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Let's kick off the country with the smart bloke. His
name is Ben Pickton. He's the senior economist for Rabobank.
Ben the New Zealand Economic Recovery. How is the conflict
in the Middle East likely to impact slash undermine? This
not really good news?
Speaker 7 (31:40):
Is it gooday? Jamie? Yeah, it's not good news. It's
one of those things that we would certainly prefer hadn't happened. Obviously,
when we talk about conflict in the Middle East, we
straightaway think of oil prices, and we have seen a
substantial rise in oil prices. But we've also got the
issue around I guess people get a little bit worried
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about the supply of refined fuels coming out of Asia.
And when you've got those sorts of worries, you would
expect that it does a few things. One is it
might lead to a little bit of panic buying and
fuel hoarding, which you get a temporary increase in economic
activity from that. But then on the other side of it,
people sort of batten down the hatches and go into
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siege mode a little bit like during COVID, and that
can give a big hit to the demand side of
the economy. So when we talk about economic growth, what
we're actually talking about is growth in demand. So yeah,
this certainly does pose a risk of derailing this recovery
that is underway.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
We are so vulnerable here in New Zealand. We're getting
a lot of our fuel from places like our refined fuel,
I might add because we mothboard our refining plant from
the likes of Singapore South Korea. I see South Koreas
pulling back and the export of fuel. Do you think,
for instance, that fuel ration Heaven help us, we're going
to go back to Carlos days of the nineteen seventies.
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Could fuel rationing be a thing in Australia and New Zealand.
Speaker 7 (33:08):
Yeah, I think that if the issue in the Middle
East isn't resolved soon, we could see things like that
coming back. In work from home mandates, We've seen a
number of Asian countries have already put in place work
from home mandates. So policy measures to try to curb
demand are certainly potentially on the cards, so we want
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to see a resolution pretty quickly. Just on the refinery thing.
New Zealand's not alone in shutting down refineries. In Australia,
we used to have eight oil refineries. Now we've only
got two and they exist on subsidies. So across the
developed world, sort of during that thirty year period of
trade liberalization, globalization, there was this trend towards, I guess,
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doing away with ideas of being self sufficient and relying
on the global market, and to some extent that's back
to biitis.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
I see Brent Krueb. But I had a look earlier
this morning. Was sitting at US ninety three or barrel.
It peaked at about one hundred and twenty. Remembering when
the war started, I think it was setting at about seventy.
Is it surprising that it hasn't gone beyond the late
eighties early nineties.
Speaker 7 (34:18):
Yeah, maybe it is a little bit surprising given the
hit to global supply from the straight of Horn Moves
being closed. So around about twenty to twenty five percent
of global crew comes through that part of the world,
and similar volumes of refined products. But there's also a
bunch of other things that higher proportions of various commodities
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come through that waterway as well. Fertilizers obviously is one
that gets talked about, but also helium and napsa and
methanol and all sorts of things. So there probably is
a little bit of a surprise to me that the
move hasn't been maintained. The reason why we've seen a
big pullback recently is a couple of things. One we
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had comments from Donald Trump saying that he thinks that
the war is very complete, so markets maybe latched onto
that a little bit very optimistically. And the other thing
is a coordinated release of reserves by the G seven,
So they're looking at releasing I think it's around about
four hundred million barrels into the market. Now, that's certainly helpful,
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but the issue with that is that that is an
issue of stock, and the problem that we have is
an issue of flow, not stock. So it helps, but
it's only a temporary fix.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Let's have a look at the effect war has on,
for instance, economies and more particularly interest rates, because history
would suggest, unlike what the President is suggesting, that this
thing could drag on.
Speaker 7 (35:48):
Yeah, it certainly has that potential. We just don't know
until we know there's At the moment, reading the headlines
this morning, it does seem like the Iranians escalating rather
than de escalating. So at the moment, I'm not super
optimistic that we're about to see a resolution in short order.
The impacts of oil shocks on economies, they can vary
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a little bit, but we can look back to times
like the nineteen seventies in the early nineteen eighties to
get a little bit of an idea of the sorts
of things that happen now. Oil is energy. It's the
most important energy source in the world by far, and
energy is an input to all production. So anything that
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you want to make, you need energy. So when you
have an oil shock, it kind of reverberates through supply chains,
even in ways that we don't really think about. So
all of the intermediate goods that are made from petrochemicals
and plastics and all that sort of stuff, higher oil
prices or lack of availability has an effect on those,
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and then you've got to overlay the higher energy cost
aspect as well. So we certainly expect it to be inflationary,
and we've seen market expectations of rate hikes in New
Zealand being brought forward even though the economy is not
firing on all Cylanders.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
Yet, and that is the last thing we need. Ben Picton,
out of Rabobanks Sydney Office, Thanks for some of your
wisdom today on the country. Appreciate it, Jeers Jamie.
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messy place. Indeed, never mind. You can look forward to
day two of the Wanaka Show if you're lucky enough
to be here like I am. There's so much happening
around the country this weekend, including the Rural Games and
Pami head along to the Square in the middle of Parmy.
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It's a great event. Right. That's me out of here.
I'm done in dust and hoping my Highlanders can do
the biz tonight and against the evil crusaders. Will catch
you back the same time, same place next week for
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Monday, Jeday and good Morning, New Zealand. I'm Jamie McKay.
This is the best of the country, brought to you
each and every Saturday morning here on Newstalks. The'd be
by Rabobank. We're growing a better New Zealand together. I've
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for the Golden Shares. Midweek I was in christ Church
for the Xander MacDonald Award and also the Impact Summit.
So we're going to talk to Roland and Ingrid Smith.
Roland won the World Sharing Champs at the Golden Shares
in Marsted. And we're going to talk to Teradar, the
voice behind the FMG Young Farmer Contest, a dynamic young
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New Zealander called carn Dallywell and Ben picked in Rabobanks
Sydney based senior economist looking at how the New Zealand
economy is being undermined quite obviously by the conflict in
the Middle East. It's all on the best of the country.
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Let's kick off the show with, as I said in
the intro, the first couple of New Zealand sharing. Surely
they are now Roland and Ingrid Smith. Roland, I want
to start with you, winner of the World Sharing Championships
at Masterton on a magnificent Saturday night at the War
Memorial Stadium there. The world title was the one you
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were really after. Congratulations, We're all so proud of you.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
It was the one that there was a goal. Yeah,
what a heck of a final. It was being in
a parent ourse for Wall Romney for Wall and second
chair sir. Yeah, she certainly took a bit of mental
mental capacity to get through that final. And yeah, like
I said on the night, I was absolutely buggered after that.
I was I just everything went into the air. And yeah,
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unfortunately in the open final, you know, so half an
hour later I wasn't able to back it up, but
you know, and a deserved winner of tor Henderson. What
an amazing athlete he is.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Well he's your good mate. You're both the Northlanders. You
were representing New Zealand and the team's event. You won
that one as well, and the Tour was a sheep
ahead of you, or got off the board a sheep
ahead of you in that World Sharing Open final. But
did you know in your herder hearts that you'd won
that because of your quality?
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Look, I came off the board and I was very
happy with the way i'd Sean and I had a
very solid share. You know, you can sort of I
have done a fair bit of it now and you
can sort of feel how things are gone. And I was,
you know, I was very pleased that I had. It
was controlled and I felt like a and everything I
could so certainly came away knowing that I hadn't left
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anything the chance. So you know, but you can never
count out the likes of Tour or Gavin or you know,
there was the current world champion was in the final too,
so you know, there's jam packs full of people, so
you need to count chickens. But I was quietly, quietly confident.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
You mentioned the Golden Chars Open Final, which was the
final event of the night, and you did you got
some shocking sheep, if you don't mind me saying so, Roland,
you got a few kickers there, but you were looked
like you were physically spent.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Yes, I when I pulled out the first sheep, and
it was giving me a bit of jip when I
put it down, and my hand was a pretty cramping
when I was reaching for the hand piece, and when
I turned for the end of mine, my legs added cramping,
and I was like, oh, it's going to be a long, long,
nineteen more sheep after this. But yeah, just you know,
I think, you know, put everything into that World final,
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and which was which was a decision that I'd made
before he sure on it was that there's going to
be nothing after this. So yeah, hey, look I'm not
a sharer at full time anymore at all, So a
few years ago it wouldn't have mattered at all. But
you know, it's sort of the mental side of it.
When you're not sharing, it certainly takes it out of
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you as well, just trying to remember what you meant
to be doing. So yeah, unfortunately you couldn't get the double,
but but we got the one we were there for.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Well, I think it was a perfectly scripted finish to
be perfectly honest, for New Zealand and the New Zealand
team and the New Zealand Shares, you're getting one each
and probably getting the ones you both wanted.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Yeah, and look at the most successful New Zealand team
in the history of World champs So how how cool
is that, you know, to be a part of that
and you know, sort of going out the way. You know,
he couldn't have written it better really, So yeah, definitely proud.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Did the forty minute delay because we had a bit
of a mix up with the sheep behind the stand there.
These things do happen. Did that forty minute delay a
fixed you guys? Because it was right before that World
Championship Open final. You probably were revved up and ready
to go. Then you had to sit on your thumbs
for forty minutes.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Yeah, sort of, you know, you're getting prepared to go
up and sort of come back in and tell us
now it's ten minutes sort of four times that it
is something that you know, you are sort of gearing
up and trying to be hydrated and eating at the
right time and all that sort of thing. I mean,
it's a very very texting event to the twenty sheep final,
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it's you know, sixteen seventeen minutes of you know, as
fast as your body can handle it. So yeah, no,
it definitely probably it was a bit unnerving there, but
you know it's the same for everybody, so you just
do the best you can.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
How tough with those big second share two tooths to
share that you've had a great summer in the Lower
North Island and the Wira Rappa region. They've grown out beautifully,
but gee, there was a lot of body mass to cover.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Yeah, and they were very, very physical, and I think
that's what took the toll in the open final was
just the sheer amount of straining to keep them under control.
Potentially that's because the technique isn't quite as good as
that once was when your full time sharing. Maybe that's
why I was quite as naked as I was. But
you know, what a credit to the farmers. You know
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how many sheep were there, six or seven thousand over
the weekend, huge huge mission to get that organized, and
you're just very thankful for them to have them there
and be in such good condition. So I think everybody
was pretty happy to get to get to share such.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Sheep Roland, you weren't the only famous smith over the weekend.
Your better half Ingrid was featuring or so were you
in a very minor role too. I might add Roland
on country Calendar and this was one of the best
country calendars for ages Ingrid, your mum, Colin and Margaret Baines. Gee,
they're hard cases and hard workers. Did you and enjoyed
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the program last night?
Speaker 4 (07:02):
I did?
Speaker 5 (07:02):
It was really interesting because obviously they spend many many
hours filming and to see what they put in in
the shots that they put in was really cool and
just showcasing well one the beauty of the land that
they're on, but also mum and Dad's character, like they
just captured them and their work ethic and their values
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really well.
Speaker 6 (07:26):
Well.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
I love the quote I think from your father, Colin,
who said there's no place for any shirkers around here.
Speaker 7 (07:33):
It's very true.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
We always knew to pitch in with enthusiasm whenever we
worked together.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Well, I love the way the family gets together to
do the annual sharing. And the interesting thing from my
point of view out of that was obviously the program
was about your mum and dad and the siblings of
you guys as well, But there was another guy sitting
in the background with a very minor role. His name
was Roland Smith. That it wasn't even mentioned that he
was a sharer, let alone a world champion. Who was
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that by design ingrid I.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
Don't actually know, because he was ringing the board as
he always does. But yeah, when he comes to share,
he just skips his head down and gets the work
done and carries us all the rest of us all
through the day. So yeah, I'm not sure why they
didn't mention that. Maybe they knew he was going to
get a bit more publicity. This weekend just gone.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Well, it's rather ironic that it's coincided. What a great
weekend for your family. And I love the story and
we've talked about this one before. You and your mum
marg setting that world record the two stand for eight
hours remind me of the Tellies.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
So I did four seventy and mum did four thirty
three for a total of nine oh three.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
That is amazing. And your mum's still on the end
of the hand piece.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
She is, although she had a wee bit of an
accident a few weeks ago, so she won't be on
the hand py snytime soon. But up until that point,
she yeah, she still loves it. She gets up there,
we'll give each other spell. She's on everybody's standards having
to go and she's still a very, very capable sharer.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Ingrid Smith talking about a world sharing record she set
with a mum. How good was that country calendar program
last weekend? Up next part two of her interview with
Roland Smith and Ingrid Smith, the dynamic first couple of
sharing and of course let's not forget Ingrids, the made
up farmer. We're also going to chat with Terareda. We're
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going to chat with the bloke who won the Xander
McDonald Award in christ Church on Tuesday evening. And Ben Picton,
Rabobank's senior economist out of Sydney.
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Now I'm going to be talking to to Raider shortly
on the show, and he's been featuring in a woman's magazine, Ingrid,
I wouldn't be surprised if you the first couple of
New Zealand farming, Roland than Ingrid Smith. They might want
to cover for you, guys and a woman's magazine simply
because if not for Roland's acting ability, for your for
your profile as the made up farmer.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
Well, maybe I haven't. I haven't had any emails yet,
but I'll patiently wait.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Tell us about the made up farmer.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Okay, So that started a few years ago. I was
mum of small children. I've been had a career as
a bank manager and as a serializer rep, and I
was at home and I really Rowley was always out
working super super hard, and he was our main breadwinner,
and I felt like I wanted to contribute financially. I
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came across this lipstick that doesn't come off and got
the opportunity to sell it, So I started selling that
under the name Ki Kisses. But as our benches evolved
into farming and I became more involved with the farm
side of things, but were still wearing makeup, I kind
of changed my brand to be the made up farmer,
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which is kind of a play on words because when
I wear makeup while I'm farming.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
But also on a day to day basis, I feel like.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
I don't know what I'm doing. I feel like I'm
just making it up as I go along, and yeah,
I have quite a following. I just I like doing
entertaining social media posts about I don't know anything and everything,
just doing some lip sinking, and then I get the
odd troll that tries to tell me I can't do
what I'm doing while wearing makeup. So I kind of
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hit back at them, which has brought me quite a
few like minded women.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
So it's all.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
It's all good fun. It's a little bit of extra money,
and it's Yeah, it just seems to be growing and
growing over the last couple of years.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Well, you've got a great following. I know all the
girls that work here follow you and they think it's wonderful.
How do you deal with the old keyboard warriors? I
mean it's part and parcel when you get a profile.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
Yeah, so, I like anywhere is allowed to their opinion,
that they're allowed to share their opinion, and I will
often use that as content and I will make a
real coming back at them. But if I get too nasty,
I just block them. It's just not worth giving them
their attention they so desperately crave. But I do find
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that when I come back at these people that it
brings more people who are like me to me. So
it does have its downside.
Speaker 6 (12:37):
It is it is.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
Hard to deal with. Sometimes it affixed me less now
than it did because I make it into my advantage.
But yeah, the plus side is that more women like
me say and they follow me and yeah, it's really cool.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Well you're doing a great job. Make sure you keep
up with that. Okay, tell me back to you. Roland Smith,
is this it for you? Did we get the hint
of a retirement speech between you and Norm Haraway? I'm
not quite sure the message got out there on the ground,
I got the feeling that you were saying to Norm,
that's that I'm out of here. I'm gone.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Yeah. So it's actually a lot to remember. Obviously, when
you you know they announce, you know, the winner, and
the emotions go through your head. You know, I've been
lucky enough to win it back in twenty fourteen. Obviously,
twenty seventeen never got the charts to defend it. I
was next into the team which was which was pretty tough.
And then in twenty nineteen I was second by point
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zero one of a point there. So you know, to
finally come back and to be able to prove to myself,
you know, after hipsurdery and all those sort of things
along the way that I you know, to me, it's
always important to back up something by doing it again.
It sort of cements the thing. And that's always been
the goal, was to win it again. So yeah, to
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be able to achieve that, even though I'm not a
sharer as such anymore, it's been a pretty tough sort
of a journey of the last six weeks. But yeah,
that was the goal was this was his name more
for me anymore, so I won't be competing it in
his zeld shares or anything like that. Yeah, and to
be able to go out on on top of pretty awesome.
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So I just forgot to mention it when I was speaking. Yeah,
but yeah, no, there's yeah, that's me done. Potentially in
the future of my kids decide they want to get
into it, then I might come back and support them
and share along with them. But yeah, for the moment,
we'll be sitting back and helping the future of sharing
rather than being being in it. So yeah, that's me, Jamie.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
I was really impressed by your Northland mate Tyler Henderson,
winner of the Golden Shares Open final. He's a week
bit younger than you. He's still a very experienced sharer,
but he'd have to be odds on. You would think
in three years time in Australia one hundred.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
He spent ten years over there sharing. He's a very
very capable Marino sharer, so you know, as far as
an all round sharer, and he's only as good as
it gets. So yeah, look, it'll be interesting to see
whether or not he decides to keep on his journey.
I'm sure he will. But but again, it's a big,
big sacrifice to be at that level, whether it be
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on your family or whether it be career. You know,
whether us was farming, every time that we decide to
go to be competing, you know you're sacrificing whether it
be you know, on farm decisions, because farming is an
everyday decision. Farmers know that, so you know, big sacrifices.
So you know, for him, it's a journey that him
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and his family need to make. And again that's the
reason that I'm stepping away now is because you know,
that's enough for us and for me and focus on
the future of our farming and things like that. But yes,
it's in a very good state our sharing industry. Look
at the one hundred and twenty Open Shares on the
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weekend and you know, look we got very very very
good future.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
I believe.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Yeah, it was great to meet Mike Anderson Tower's father
who drives them all around the country quite literally to
support his sharing. And I'll tell you who else it
was great to meet. I was walking over for a
bear and the fans owe. Unfortunately that closed the bar
on me Roland while the delay was on. Anyhow, we
got back in there, Shane mcmanaway and myself and I
ran into a bloke who introduced himself as Roger Cox,
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and I said, well, I know who you are. You've
won three Golden Share Open titles. And it was great
to catch up with John Fagan, so David's older brother
as well, who's also won a Golden Shares title and
the Golden Pliers. And I said to these guys, we
need to start a campaign roll and then you'll be
all for this. Before the Open final, we need to
get all the previous winners up on stage for a
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photo while we've still got them.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Look, there's some legends in our industry
and you know, it's great to see John I saw
him before the final there, you know. And David how amazing.
You know, David Fagan, he's you know, well he's the
goat of our industry and still there supporting and helping you.
And even Johnny Kirkpatrick, you know, up there making sure
everything was being on before the final. You know that
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some incredible people in our industry and you're just very
thankful that they pop back, which is what it's all about,
isn't it.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Okay? Roland Smith, Ingrid Smith, thank you so much for
your time, Ingrid. A great country calendar, one of the
best I've seen ever. Are You're from a legendary family.
You keep up the good work as the made up
farmer and Roland Smith. You just enjoy doing what you love.
You've got iron disease, Get onto those diggers and the
tractors and away you go. You've earned it.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Cheers, cheers, Jane.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Thank you, Ingrid.
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Our next guest is a rural icon. He's taken a
break from his farm he's been lugging tannalized posts over
his shoulder, sort of west Auckland version of pine Tree Meads.
But has this rural icon son of a whitecaddo dairy
farmer gone soft? Has he sold his soul to the
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women's magazines? I was making my way home from the
Golden Shares yesterday in the airport lounge and there it
was the New Zealand Woman's Weekly, Desperate Fergie's Next Move.
This is Sarah Ferguson. She's very dangerous. Engelbert Humpadink I
feel as young as Eva. Just a couple of the
stories that grabbed my attention that he's had a lot
of work done on his face, that old guy. But
(18:34):
eder Andrew Lumston, what's the story of a bloke like
you being in the women's magazines?
Speaker 6 (18:39):
Look to be honest, I haven't read the story. Actually,
we were doing some promo obviously for the book that
came out last year, and we've got various book festivals
that have been attending over the last little while. What's
got rural Kevi Country, rural New Zealand and a hundred
objects and so you know, you like to get the
word out there. That amongst all the different audiences that
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the book is out or the show is out. In fact,
I just did the world premiere of the live version
of it last week at the Hamilton Arts Festival, so
we'll be trucking that around. So any anywhere you can
get a little bit of a mention about about the
book and about things. Reminds people that you're not dead, Jimmy,
you know, and I'm clearly in good company. There's an
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another great redhead and there Fergie. I've had less work
done than than Engelbird, but I've got a good moisturizing regim.
I put my some block on this morning because we're
having an unprecedented last bit of late summer up here
in Awkward. It's dry drying the white caddo. It was
pretty dried out in Tadanaki Manawatwo as well, you know,
not something we'll had for the last couple of months.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Well, I was a wire rapper for the weekend and
we've talked about this already, but my goodness, they're having
a Royaler of the season and you should have seen
radar the size of the sheep they had to share
in the Golden Shares finals. They have had a very
good summer. Indeed, Rightio, let's go across to the other
side of the Lower North Island the Taranaki man Or
(20:02):
two regional final. What happened over the weekend?
Speaker 6 (20:06):
Look of Charlie, what's going to happen? A new power
couple emerged in the farming sector in the Taaranaki man
Or two region. I've done this for a while. I've
probably done more than fifty or sixty regional finals. I've
never seen an engaged couple when all four of those
of your of your your sectional prizes. So Sarah Lockhart
engaged to David Reesby, who took out the title.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Surely the first couple of young farmers is the brother
and sister Tim and Emma. Look Tim danger.
Speaker 6 (20:34):
Pool, you've got You've got Tim Poole and sorry Tim,
Tim Dangen and Emma Pool. But you've also got Chris Paul,
husband of Emma Poul. He was He was a pretty
good grand finalist as well. I think did he come
second to Tim? Maybe?
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Yes, I think he did. Yeah. They kept it in
the family for a couple of years.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
There they really they really really did. Don't know, all
the very best to them. Where what are we now
over halfway through? We've got four of the seven done,
so we've got a great lineup of young Grand finalists
and we've got three more to go.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
You're off to the East Coast this weekend. Then you
get a break for a fortnight why katt Obay have plenty,
then you get a break I think for Easter Northern
Regional Final. It's all building towards that big Grand Final
the Shear in New Plymouth.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
New Plums.
Speaker 8 (21:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (21:18):
I believe the practical day is in gorgeous Stratford, so
I'll look forward to that, and then I think it
the first week of July we're down there as well,
so it's going to be interesting. You've got You've got
a lot of tough and very smart Grand finalists so
far from around the regions, and I suspect you've probably
spoken to some where young Jack Taggett, he was actually
there he won Old Angie a few weeks. But we've
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got Thomas Slee from Otago Southland and Bryce Wynne took
out Pairsman. So there's the four of them so far
and there's another what twenty twenty four competitors now sitting
around thinking is it going to be me to make
up those final three points.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
And Thomas Slee, of course, son of Richard Slee, who's
a former New Zealand Young Farmer of the Year, seping
it in the family as well. Maybe they're the first
family of young farmers.
Speaker 8 (22:04):
They are.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
And actually we had your old mate Andrew Hoggart was
there to present some prizes on Saturday as well. He's
a former Young Farmer of the Year two thousand and three.
I think he won. And we both stood there and went,
you know, some of these people probably weren't even born
in two thousand and three. And sure enough one of
the young organizers from the Young Farmer's Club went, yeah,
I wasn't born until two thousand and nine. I was, oh, great, wow, Now.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
I think I think my old mate Andrew Hoggard right.
No one likes the corrector, but sometimes people need to
be corrected. I don't think he won the Grand Final.
I think he was in the Grand Final because my
records I'm just looking and speaking off Mike here would
suggest that Robert Kentthorm another good Southland to one in
two thousand and three.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
Oh well, maybe he didn't. I thought, maybe he won,
maybe won the Tarhaman region.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Not sure, Well, I think I think he was a
grand finalist, so he obviously won. He obviously won a region.
All right. Well, it's nice to know that you're not dead.
Speaker 6 (23:00):
Not dead, well not yet, well not if.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
You're in the woman's magazines.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
I know what I feel like. I had to put
a little bit of extra petrol in the auga today
because I'm a bit concerned that the clay at the
top of the hills is going to be a bit
firm as I start to dig these posts and later on.
So if you never hear from me again, Jamie, I'm
still trying to get a post.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
On the ground.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Now, are you really carrying the tantalized posts on your
shoulder like the great.
Speaker 6 (23:26):
I've used my little mower tractor and my mower trailer,
which is as sophisticated as I get to load the
post up, and I've dropped them off, and I'm waiting
for the neighbor and the ghost mentioned to come around
and open their gate, and I'm going to lug them
up to the top of the hill and then I
will be carrying them up and down. But I have
I'm going to strategically choose the lighter ones to carry
the greater distance.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
You truly are living on a life sentence block.
Speaker 6 (23:48):
Rad It's the kind of renovation that you have to
do on one of these properties that isn't a new
kitchen or a new bathroom or a deck, but it
does make it worthwhile when you can see a nice
new fence in there.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Plus it gives you rural creed. Even if you are
in the New Zealand Woman's Weekly. I enjoyed the story
by the way. You're punching above your weight there with
your partner Ruth, I might add too as well.
Speaker 6 (24:08):
Yes, yes, and also great. She did a lot of
research and wrote a lot of the book as well,
and has helped out a lot on the on the
show of the book. So actually, next time I think
we're down in Wonica in a couple of weeks, I
do the White Kado Bay of plenty one, and then
I've got to get all the way from the Bay
of plenty straight down to Wannaka for an evening discussion
on the book. So if anyone's down there part of
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the aspiring conversation, we'll bring something along as well. If
you've got a rural object that you think should be
part of it. Bring it along because one of the
great things about the book you can discuss all the many, many,
many other objects that could have made it.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
That is a great read. I can tell you that
because I've read it. Okay, right, thanks for your time.
We'll catch you again and we'll have a look at
the East Coast final.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
Let's do that, all right, the.
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Speaker 3 (26:34):
Yesterday I spent the day in christ Church for the
Impact Summit and last night had the good fortune and
great honor to mc the Xander MacDonald Award for twenty
twenty six. We had an Aussie winner his name was
Bryce Nayland. And we had a Kiwi winner his name
was Khan Daliwell, Khan joins us on the country today
and I'll tell you what you beat off. Chloe Butcher
(26:57):
Harries and Lana Marshall, good South and girl. They were
very impressive candidates. You must be wrapped to have won this, Khan.
Speaker 8 (27:06):
Yeah, I think a testament to the Chloe and Lana
they they had a lot of great initially as they
were pushing in their community. So I'm very fortunate and
quite taken back when my name was called out. So yeah,
wonderful opportunity to be a part of and and honor
(27:28):
the spirit of the award.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
So when you guys got up, the sixth finalists got
up in the afternoon to present your cases. Three Aussi's,
three New Zealander. If we don't mind me saying so,
Karan and I know you're of Indian descent, but you
sounded like an Aussi. You still sound like a Nassi
to me.
Speaker 8 (27:43):
Yeah, yeah, I think that. I'm not too sure where
that actually comes from. But I am based up in
northern White Ketto and we sit quite quite Barna District
and close to the hills, one of the last few
dairy farms, so I think those hills are having an
influence on the exit I've picked up over the years.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
So calm deally, Well, let's have a look at your backstory,
because it's a very good one and a very impressive one.
After gaining experience as a rural banker and a fertilizer rep,
you went back farming, but not dairy farming like your parents.
You went into market gardening. Why market gardening. That's a
tough gig.
Speaker 8 (28:20):
Yeah, yeah, it is a tough gig. I think between
my wife and I, Bry, we were kind of I
grew up the dairy farm. I came from a small scale,
so I kind of saw the challenges of what lee,
the challenges around reinvesting in the business and a flexibility
it gave you. So but we always wanted to go farming,
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but what we found it was hard to go and
invest in derrec is really capital intensive industry we are
part of, so to get scar from the start was
a real challenge. So we looked at a whole lot
of other things, and at the time we didn't really
take into account the risk five of them because we
were young, so we decided to start a horticultural based business.
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We saw a lot of opportunity in that market, so
we went into cropping and we grove watermeltonins sort of
local market. We developed the blueberry orchard which are explorded
into Australia and we've just built ten hectar read Kvy
fruit orchard. So it's been a real journey. But the
opportunities that has given us, as you know, it's given
(29:27):
us what we've wanted to achieve and and a great
entry point was at scale into the into the sector.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
How does the kiwi go on?
Speaker 6 (29:36):
Why?
Speaker 3 (29:36):
At our region.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Very good.
Speaker 8 (29:39):
So in Towinga, as you may know, there is a
shortage of land, so Aukland and Wipe at the fastest
grown regions for kevy fruit plantings in New Zealand, so
it is they don't like the frost, so we do
prosmetic with water. But other than that it is a
very ideal climate to grow kivy fruit.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Horticulture and market gardening in particular is a fraught way
to make a living. It can have rich rewards, it
can also spank you big time. You got hit by
cyclone Gabrielle.
Speaker 8 (30:10):
Yeah, that's right. So one of our big years and
our annual crop in business, we increased our plantings and
took on a quite a substantial contract and we invested
a lot and unfortunately cyclone Gabrielle came in and wiped
out the whole lot. I remember getting a phone call
from the lease landowner not to calm down. But I
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think you can look at that two ways. You can
look at that as, hey, maybe this isn't for us,
or what could have we done to change it? And
we never asked the question what if a one fifty
year event came through? And I think we need to
be asking that now. So we went away from that,
rebuilt our business in a different location and split up
all our blocks across Four Leafs Farms, And since that day,
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we've mitigated a lot of that risk and we had
a lot more resilient business out of it.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Come Dally well there twenty twenty six Xander McDonald Award winner.
You beat off a couple of stunning entrants in Chloe Butcher,
Harries and Lana Marshall. Well done and I'm sure you'll
do a great job as an ambassador over the next
twelve months.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Thanks for your time, No beautiful.
Speaker 8 (31:14):
Appreciate that, Jamie.
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Let's kick off the country with the smart bloke. His
name is Ben Pickton. He's the senior economist for Rabobank.
Ben the New Zealand Economic Recovery. How is the conflict
in the Middle East likely to impact slash undermine? This
not really good news?
Speaker 7 (31:40):
Is it gooday? Jamie? Yeah, it's not good news. It's
one of those things that we would certainly prefer hadn't happened. Obviously,
when we talk about conflict in the Middle East, we
straightaway think of oil prices, and we have seen a
substantial rise in oil prices. But we've also got the
issue around I guess people get a little bit worried
(32:01):
about the supply of refined fuels coming out of Asia.
And when you've got those sorts of worries, you would
expect that it does a few things. One is it
might lead to a little bit of panic buying and
fuel hoarding, which you get a temporary increase in economic
activity from that. But then on the other side of it,
people sort of batten down the hatches and go into
(32:22):
siege mode a little bit like during COVID, and that
can give a big hit to the demand side of
the economy. So when we talk about economic growth, what
we're actually talking about is growth in demand. So yeah,
this certainly does pose a risk of derailing this recovery
that is underway.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
We are so vulnerable here in New Zealand. We're getting
a lot of our fuel from places like our refined fuel,
I might add because we mothboard our refining plant from
the likes of Singapore South Korea. I see South Koreas
pulling back and the export of fuel. Do you think,
for instance, that fuel ration Heaven help us, we're going
to go back to Carlos days of the nineteen seventies.
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Could fuel rationing be a thing in Australia and New Zealand.
Speaker 7 (33:08):
Yeah, I think that if the issue in the Middle
East isn't resolved soon, we could see things like that
coming back. In work from home mandates, We've seen a
number of Asian countries have already put in place work
from home mandates. So policy measures to try to curb
demand are certainly potentially on the cards, so we want
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to see a resolution pretty quickly. Just on the refinery thing.
New Zealand's not alone in shutting down refineries. In Australia,
we used to have eight oil refineries. Now we've only
got two and they exist on subsidies. So across the
developed world, sort of during that thirty year period of
trade liberalization, globalization, there was this trend towards, I guess,
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doing away with ideas of being self sufficient and relying
on the global market, and to some extent that's back
to biitis.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
I see Brent Krueb. But I had a look earlier
this morning. Was sitting at US ninety three or barrel.
It peaked at about one hundred and twenty. Remembering when
the war started, I think it was setting at about seventy.
Is it surprising that it hasn't gone beyond the late
eighties early nineties.
Speaker 7 (34:18):
Yeah, maybe it is a little bit surprising given the
hit to global supply from the straight of Horn Moves
being closed. So around about twenty to twenty five percent
of global crew comes through that part of the world,
and similar volumes of refined products. But there's also a
bunch of other things that higher proportions of various commodities
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come through that waterway as well. Fertilizers obviously is one
that gets talked about, but also helium and napsa and
methanol and all sorts of things. So there probably is
a little bit of a surprise to me that the
move hasn't been maintained. The reason why we've seen a
big pullback recently is a couple of things. One we
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had comments from Donald Trump saying that he thinks that
the war is very complete, so markets maybe latched onto
that a little bit very optimistically. And the other thing
is a coordinated release of reserves by the G seven,
So they're looking at releasing I think it's around about
four hundred million barrels into the market. Now, that's certainly helpful,
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but the issue with that is that that is an
issue of stock, and the problem that we have is
an issue of flow, not stock. So it helps, but
it's only a temporary fix.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Let's have a look at the effect war has on,
for instance, economies and more particularly interest rates, because history
would suggest, unlike what the President is suggesting, that this
thing could drag on.
Speaker 7 (35:48):
Yeah, it certainly has that potential. We just don't know
until we know there's At the moment, reading the headlines
this morning, it does seem like the Iranians escalating rather
than de escalating. So at the moment, I'm not super
optimistic that we're about to see a resolution in short order.
The impacts of oil shocks on economies, they can vary
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a little bit, but we can look back to times
like the nineteen seventies in the early nineteen eighties to
get a little bit of an idea of the sorts
of things that happen now. Oil is energy. It's the
most important energy source in the world by far, and
energy is an input to all production. So anything that
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you want to make, you need energy. So when you
have an oil shock, it kind of reverberates through supply chains,
even in ways that we don't really think about. So
all of the intermediate goods that are made from petrochemicals
and plastics and all that sort of stuff, higher oil
prices or lack of availability has an effect on those,
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and then you've got to overlay the higher energy cost
aspect as well. So we certainly expect it to be inflationary,
and we've seen market expectations of rate hikes in New
Zealand being brought forward even though the economy is not
firing on all Cylanders.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
Yet, and that is the last thing we need. Ben Picton,
out of Rabobanks Sydney Office, Thanks for some of your
wisdom today on the country. Appreciate it, Jeers Jamie.
Speaker 7 (37:19):
Thanks for having me the.
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Rabobanks Sydney Officers, Senior economists. Yes, the world is a
messy place. Indeed, never mind. You can look forward to
day two of the Wanaka Show if you're lucky enough
to be here like I am. There's so much happening
around the country this weekend, including the Rural Games and
Pami head along to the Square in the middle of Parmy.
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It's a great event. Right. That's me out of here.
I'm done in dust and hoping my Highlanders can do
the biz tonight and against the evil crusaders. Will catch
you back the same time, same place next week for
the bast of the country. I think it's time and
it's hurt no more.
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It's not you.
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in another's and rays theres to touch us while we're
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home session, swell donder the.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
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