February 13, 2026 • 39 mins
Jamie Mackay talks to Mark Warren, Mike Casey, Nathan Guy, Chris Hipkins, Winston Peters, and Christopher Luxon.
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week for me has been dominated by National Lamb Day,
which is actually tomorrow, but it's kind of been National
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Lamb Week because on Wednesday I journeyed up to Wellington
for the National Lamb Day barbecue on the Parliamentary lawns.
And you're going to hear some of the action from
our live broadcast shortly. But we're going to kick the
show off talking about Lamb with a Hawk's Bay Farmer,
a super and hust one two I might add, who
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has a lofty goal of a fifteen hundred dollars lamb. Yeah,
your Lamb's going to be worth fifteen hundred dollars at
the moment. A good Lamb's worth an excess of two
hundred dollars, So how does he make the Sun's work?
Mark Warren up. Next, we pivot I hate that word,
but we pivot from lamb to cherries. Mike Casey, the
Cromwell cherry grower, the man behind the great electric cherry migration,
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caught up with him on Chuesday Show on his way
to Wellington to woo the politicians with his big electric
eighteen wheeler truck and a whole lot of cherries for
the politicians. Then the action happens from our broadcast on
Wednesday from Parliament or the parliament lawns Nathan Guy, Meat
Industry Association Chair Chris Hipkins, Labor Leader Winston Peters, New
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Zealand First Leader, Prime Minister Christopher Luxen. That's all on
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Yes The countdown to National Lamb Day on Sunday continues tomorrow.
We are at Wellington broadcasting from the Parliamentary Lawn, a
barbecue with the politicians and a few industry leaders and
then on Friday it's down to South and God's own
farming province for the Southern Field Days at Waimumu. I thought,
by way of inspiring people and getting people to dream
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of lofty goals, I would talk to this man, he
has a lofty goal, but is he one lamb chop
short of a barbecue? Mark Warren Hawks, Bay Sheep and
beef farmer a fifteen hundred dollars lamb? Really, what have
you been smoking? Oh?
Speaker 5 (02:53):
I know, we're just smoking a green grass here at
the moment, Jannie, there's so much of it. It's absolutely brilliant.
So seriously, if we don't keep having your goal, we're
never going to get there. A couple of years ago,
many years ago, I remember going to a meeting with
Foster John John Foster Richmond's where were aiming to get
thirty dollars a lamb? That was the late eighties. Then
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the Feds, I was thinking about two thousand and eight,
had t one fifty aim to get one hundred and
fifty dollars a lamb, And I thought, well, come on,
keep aiming instead of scratching around and look at your
looking at your untied bootlaces, lift your eyes to the horizon,
and look, there won't be every lamb at all, but
there's an opportunity to have a few little boutique lambs,
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very carefully produced, possibly casing for that very very high
end market that goes with the bottle of sort of
shadow moot on, which was a couple of grand a
bottle and supplying those of the people in the New
York apartments. But you know the eighty million dollar apartments
that I saw a little bit of, and when we
launched the just Sean Brandon and New York probably about
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ten years ago now, so you know, aim high, aim
for the stars. We hit the moon on the way through.
Speaker 6 (04:06):
So bad.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Well, Mark, I think you've got yourself. You've weaseled yourself
onto the show under false pretenses. I thought you were
talking about fifteen hundred dollars a lamb for all lambs.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
Well, all right, Jamie, I'll resign now and let you
people scratch around with the Turkey's let case.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
So okay, Well, let's talk about the elite few. You're
talking about marketing to people in penthouses overlooking Central Park
in New York earning eighty million dollars a year or
living in an eighty million dollar apartment. God knows what
they're earning. How do you still get a lamb up
to fifteen hundred dollars I'm intrigued.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
Well, you've only got to look for what the key
of people sell salmon, smoked salmon, and crayfish, you know,
on a per tilo basis. What we basically need to
do is by the time you take out of any
of the biocycles and the pelt, and I giving you
evidence that I was selling a few very high quality
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white Verry gourmet holg It pelts around one hundred and
fifty dollars a pelt, two hundred of pelt, you're only
going to get the lamb value up around thirty three
dollars a kilo, which has a lot a lot when
you look at what you sell crapus for in the
seven and that, and it could be a heavier carcass.
That's what we've got to aim for.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Well, okay, so at thirty three dollars a kilo, the
lamb's going to have to be what thirty or forty kilos?
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Yeah, on the hog kilo, that's not a lamb, that's
a ram.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
Bullshit. That is they're still quite possible to sell thirty
kilo lamb carcasses. I can give you examples of doing that.
I'm not going to goat too much to national radio.
It can be done. And you see the lovely thing
about this is everyone laughs at my tapes for action
and quietly there's a few other people clearly in New
Zealand doing this stuff. They're going under the I'm just
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trying to raise the raise of sites for those who
are still scratching. My dear Peter Alexander, mentor and business
and accountant, used to say three LARTs of farmer, those
who make things happen, those what things happen, and those
that wonder what happens. So you don't want to be
in the last category.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Jami, Okay, you've got a thirty kilogram lamb. You're going
to sell it for three times the current schedule. I'm
just trying to do the maths here in my head.
At thirty three dollars eleven times three, that gets you
what a thousand bucks the pout? How are you going
to sell the pout for one hundred and fifty or
two hundred dollars without spending a fortune on us?
Speaker 5 (06:35):
Oh? You there might be a few a little costs
coming through. And look, you know that's part of the
whole game. It's the bioceuticals. I mean you look at
what that clever angel of pain from Every Lab was
doing with lambs. What were you a leambs guts making
posh spice of face cream out of it? You know
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the bioceuticals that we a huge amount of money. They
get frushed down, the frush down the gut pit for
a lot of people and keep people go and pull
them back out and adds huge value that's been slipping
past a lot of people for a long time. It's
just a conversation we need to have. It won't be
just about the meat. It won't just be the pelt.
It'll be a whole lot of other things, all editing
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as well.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
So Mark Lauren, you're telling me you're going to sell
the dream to these rich New Yorkers. They can watch
their lamb free grazing on a seaside salad of salt
and crusted natural green herbs and grasses of the coastal
Central Hawks Bay, drinking pure mineral water. Isn't that what
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Sue's Redmain's doing. On the other side, of the North Island.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
Absolutely, yeah, doing it very very well. But our hills
a little bit better than Susan and Richards and all
credit for them, absolutely, but I've got a slightly better
trick than that. What we are going to aim so
or could aim, is that what we do is we
sell half share in that land to the New Yorker
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while it's still running around the panic, so they feel
they have good ownership. Those sort of people love to
have ownership. That want the provenance, and it's like having
your own vineyard. And that's a bit of a datats
at the moment, this is this wine comes from our
own vineyard and timbuck two and then they have the provenance,
they can check out. We could have a sort of
holes to type color on them, so they could check
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out on Google Earth where the lambs sleep last, I
can seal the zig Zagg weren't sleep ape we drank.
Provedence of food at that level is worth a lot
of money.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Yeah, but they might get too connected to Larry the Lamb.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
All right, where the sea solutions, Jamie lose the sea problems.
We're seeing a pattern from you are in now can.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
No No, I'm just I'm playing devil's advocate. You're you're
trying to sell me the dream. And of course you
go on to say that the lamb's last memory because
you're going to slaughter. Can I use that word and you'll.
Speaker 6 (09:02):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
You're already bugging one of those.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Okay, sorry, You're going to harvest the lamb in situe
or on site there and its last memory before the
bolt hits it in the head will be gazing out
at the seaside.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
Well, we all know that being a good mustain or
a good world animal where's no stress involved makes so
much better meat. And if you look at the GAP program,
and you may remember that Whyprairi was very lucky. We
were the first GAP rated sheep farm in the world.
There's various levels of gat accreditation and get five will
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get five point five is where it's actually harvested and
the panic as it grew up, so there's none getting
on the truck and getting stressed and all the rest
of it. It's just one of those extra little steps
to make it extra tasty and extra tender.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
All right, I must remember that harvest instead of slaughter.
You do have a Facebook page, it's the fifteen hundred
dollars lamb by twenty twenty eight. You're not giving yourself
much of a runway in there, But just want to
finish on another comments you made, and I think this
one does have some legs. And this is having like
a hogot schedule, because lamb's very expensive. Mutton's obviously cheaper,
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but it doesn't taste as good as lamb. But for
those of us who were born and raised on farms,
a hog it beats of lamb every day of the week.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
Yeah, well, we're picking up and I feel very you know,
sorry for people in town so they just cannot afford
lamb anymore. And I totally get that. And there have
been people saying, oh, pets, we should just make sure
that farmers have to give ten percent of their lamb
at a low price to the locals. Doesn't work like that.
I've asked them if they wanted to work for me
for ten percent less than a good wage. But if
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we were to focus on a hogit grade coming up
to Christmas for barbecues and chrystals dinner. There are a
lot of tailing lambs that once they cut their teeth
Kale and Olca's lamb, they cut their teeth, they automaticly
get grass and the mutton grade. If we had a
Hoggit grade for local trade, we could provide much more valuable,
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better value meat to New Zerman locals for probably halfway
between lamb and mutton. And that's one way of showing it. Yes,
we do care about the locals. We'd give them better
value for money, and we'd actually make very good use
of those lambs that just go into the mutton grade
and realistically get lost in the system.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
And those hoggits are to die for. Actually, Mark Warren,
my father used to kill or I can't say that slaughter. No,
I can't even say that. My father used to harvest
dry two teeths and he reckoned. They were the best
eating of the whole lot. Anyhow, food for thought, and
I do like your idea of a Hoggot schedule because
that lamb is fantastic. Good luck with your pipe dream
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the fifteen hundred dollars lamb by twenty twenty eight. I'm
going to call you back in two years time and
see how you've got on right.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
Oh Jamie. But just remember what we try to do
here is a bit stimulated with a positive discussion and
long term vision. So what if we get thirteen hundred
bucks elem instead. But if you don't name the stars,
you only hit the moon. Well, you know, let's try that.
But instead of scratching around being turkeys and focusing on
untied bootlaces.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
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He is the electric cherry guy from rewiring our rower.
His name is Mike Casey, Cromwell cherry grower, but he's
not there today. He's making his way to Wellington on
the Great Electric Cherry Migration. He's sending a big electric
truck all the way from Cromwell to the Beehive. You realize,
Mike Casey, you're cutting my luncher. But we're going there
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to do the National Lamb Day barbecue tomorrow and you're
going to put a spanner in the works with the cherries.
Speaker 6 (12:53):
What a are special freed for our politicians. The best
of the primary sector of both our land and our
lamb and our cherries. Very exciting to see. Hopefully you
get to have some of these cherries you got to
ask some of those politicians to see tomorrow to make
sure that they bring some cherries down for you as well.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
I don't think they'll survive a day on overnight, will they.
Speaker 6 (13:11):
This is the thing we often hear that the staff
and the offices of these politicians don't get a single cherry.
They feel quite agreeed by that. But it's good because
you know, as farmers, we grow the best produce in
the world, and it's really good to be out to
demonstrate that to politicians.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Well, you're not only a farm are you one of
the world's great marketers. I see you've got the Hoskin
adopting a cherry tree. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
Absolutely, And I've got a boxing cherries on on its
way to you as well, just to keep you butted
up as well and hopefully keep coming back on the show,
which I really enjoy.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Okay, what is the theory behind the Great cherry or
the great electric cherry Migration? Because this is not like
an electric you. This is a big truck, isn't it.
Speaker 6 (13:50):
This is a big truck. So this is one of
these tractor trucks that can show well, it's an eighteen
wheeler essentially, and we've got a big box of cherries
on the back of that. And Ross Linton from did
E Trucks has joined the party this year. And you know,
obviously we grow our cherries without using any fossil fuels
at all, and harvest them and pack them. And now
we've got a trip on an electric truck all the
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way up to Parliament as well. So the only fossil
fuels left to eliminate now getting these cherries to parliaments
is the inter islander. And I'm hoping you New Zealand
comes to party next year and we can throw them
in the electric plane and.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Get them over. So do you really want to fly
in an electric plane?
Speaker 6 (14:26):
Who knows? I mean the cherries. Maybe we'll see about me.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
I don't want to go on one.
Speaker 6 (14:31):
Well, the story that I've been hearing from men New
Zealand is the pilots are queuing up to fly it.
So you know, if the pilots want to do it,
that's totally okay.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Hey, so this big truck, this eighteen wheeler, how many
times do you have to stop and recharge it on
the way from Cromwell to Picton and then across to Wellington.
Speaker 6 (14:48):
So this is a deep way truck, which I think
last night Ross stopped in christ Church for a quick charge,
which I think he was able to do well. Obviously,
you know resting and thing is rest sorted for the
log book and then all it's way to pick In
and all it's way to Parliament. But there is another
truck in New Zealand as well that is going one step.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Further than there.
Speaker 6 (15:10):
That's sort of sort of the long haul truck, but
it's not quite complied yet. So we've gone with a
medium range truck which required one charge, but these other trucks, yeah,
they can go the whole way, which is super exciting.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
From your publicity blurb, Mike Casey, you say, no matter
where you sit on the political spectrum, twenty billion a
year is on the line. That's how much the country
ie New Zealand spends on fossil fuels every year. That's
fifty five million dollars every day. And then you go
on to say the average New Zealand home could save
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one thousand dollars every year by installing solar, including their
loan repayments, and around two thousand dollars per year with
batteries and space and water heat pumps sizable savings.
Speaker 6 (15:54):
That's right. And so this really is at a point
now where I just think we need to lift this
whole discussion around energy and prosperity for our economy above
the political layers. There shouldn't be something that one side
of politics is arguing for and the other one isn't.
And so the whole point of this cherry migration is
just to illustrate how much money I save on my
farm by going electric and the fact that we can
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produce really good cherries and get that to every single
MP in Parliament. So ultimately the policies will be different,
and there's politics a play and that's the political game
and that's not proceed that we live in. But overall,
I really just want to see New Zealanders win. I
really want to see New Zealand farmers take advantage of
this energy transition. So yeah, it's all about just trying
to demonstrate that there's just a better way of doing
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things and it's not actually as contentious as what people
might think it is.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Well, you're a great advocate for electrification, Mike Casey. I
know you've got to catch a playing. We've caught you
and transit to Wellington when this goes to air, you'll
be shoving up, rubbing shoulders with the politicians. Who's your favorite?
Who do you want to get into a conversation with?
Speaker 6 (16:56):
Oh, I think, to be honest, all of them. Barbara
Kruge has been absolutely amazing that we speaker National Party
MP who sent an invite out to anyone that wants
to come down and see a giant electric truck and
have the yarn about electrication. So I'm pretty open. I
like to havemain independence and yeah, literally, anyone who wants
to have a conversation with me, whether that be Chloe
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Wawbrook or David Bymore, I am. I'd love to So yeah,
looking forward to this seeing as many as I can.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Really Well, good on you the cherries today, it's the
lamb chops tomorrow. Mike Casey, good luck getting to Wellington
and enjoy your day with the politicians.
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Gooday in New Zealand and welcome to the country special
ob Today we are broadcasting from Parliament lawns. You can't
beat Wellington on a good day. It's the National Lamb
Day Barbecue and we've got all sorts of political celebrities,
plus Grant McCullum hanging around in case some of them
don't turn up. Christoph Luxon's running awe bit late. Chris
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Hipkins will be here shortly. I will also be talking
to David Seymour and Winston. I don't think we'll be
doing that at the same time. I don't know if
they play that well together. And Steve Abel's going to
make an appearance from the Greens. But kicking off the
show in the absence of the Prime Minister is a
former National Party minister, former Minister for Primary Industries, Nathan Guy,
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who was wearing his Meat Industry Association hat today because
the Meat Industry Association, along with Beef and Lamb New
Zealand are putting on this National Lamb Day barbecue. Good afternoon, Nathan,
and good to catch you for a bear and Wellington
last night it.
Speaker 8 (18:47):
Was great, Jamie. It's surprising how you bump into oh
Lad at night in Wellington.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Well it is and I did a bit at fair
bit of celebrity spotting on the way here. I was
sitting behind Dane Cole's on the plane and aged and
brought him a wee bit about rugby. Of course he
was down looking at Jamie Joseph and I think he's
off to Japan to have a look at Dave Rennie.
And then I get out to the uber rank at
Wellington Airport and they've changed it since last time I
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was here, right, So I sort of yelled out to
anyone who would listen, where's the uber rank? And this
bloke gets out of a car and says it's over there,
and I say, oh, hello you and Chatfield lovely to
mood Shoe. So there you go.
Speaker 7 (19:24):
It's such a name dropper.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
I am a name dropper and I saw you. Stewart
Todd McLay of the Federated Farmers Boys were all in
back benches last night with a rumor running rife and
we're going to have to deal with this one today.
Wayne Langford, potential Labor Party candidate for Tasman West Coast, Wow,
off the press, Off the press, but let's get onto
your job. Wow shit.
Speaker 8 (19:46):
I wonder if Wayne will be in a blue car
or a red car on the West coast be interesting
to see.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
We will watch that space. Indeed, look this, we were
celebrating a National Lamb Day on Sunday, one hundred and
forty four years since the good Ship Dunedin left Port Charmers.
They had over five thousand carcasses and they actually had
two hundred and forty six kegs of butter. So not
only was it the birth of our frozen meat industry,
it was almost the birth of our export dairy industry
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as well. Ninety eight days at sea when they got there,
only one carcass was unfit for sale. Isn't that amazing?
Speaker 8 (20:20):
That was the start of what we're celebrating today. That
first shipment really got us into gear in the UK
and as a result of that, we're celebrating one hundred
and forty four years of a magnificent product, the best
in the world, and that is our lamb. I'm so
excited about today. I'm really looking forward to tasting a
beautiful lamb chop. Celebrate our farmers, Celebrate our processes.
Speaker 7 (20:45):
You know, when you think about the processes that I represent.
Speaker 8 (20:47):
We have to deal with such a lot geopolitical issues,
exchange rate fluctuations, there's numerous issues domestic policies. I see
Chris Hipkins is here, so that's going to be an
interesting take to hear from him and what the opposition
parties are thinking coming into the election. We're working on
our own election manifesto on bree hard At behalf of
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the red meat sector to make sure that when politicians
are thinking about their policies that they're cognizant of the
fact that we are the biggest manufacturing industry in New Zealand,
ninety thousand jobs when you think about direct and indirect
and twelve billion dollars of exports.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
And I want to give a bit of a pat
on the back to the meat industry suppliers who are
putting on the lamb shops, Lambrecks hopefully today, the Alliance Group,
ansco Ovation and Greenley, so they're all supporting this.
Speaker 8 (21:40):
Day, Yes they are, and others are supporting other initiatives
up and down the country. Why Mumu, you alluded to
happening down south as other localized events happening.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
This is really a day of celebrating success. Just before
I let get Chris Hitkins on. Very good of them
to turn up for the Prime Minister's not here yet,
so maybe it could be the next Prime minister. Bipartisan
politics is important. Then I'll be really interested to hear
what Chris Hipkins has to say about this India Free
Trade deal, because there seems to be a lot of
controversy about it at the moment. I'm hoping, and I
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don't know whether E'll nods head or not, that Labor
will support this. I'm sure they will.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
Oh.
Speaker 7 (22:18):
My view is that labor will support it. It will
pass with a majority.
Speaker 8 (22:22):
Yes, there'll be one or two political parties that might
kick up, but let's be clear.
Speaker 7 (22:28):
We're five million people here.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
We export around the world.
Speaker 8 (22:31):
India is a massive market, one point five billion potential population.
We've been battling against the thirty percent tariff for lamb
into India and it's a market that could be really big.
This could be like China was to us when we
started off. Small steps but massive to the New Zealand
economy and to our farmers and processes. So my plea
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to all politicians is get behind the FDA, bang it
through the Parliament so that we can try and get
ahead of the European settling theres because they've got a
better wine deal than we have, so we need to
move fast.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
Life is all there, Nathan Guy from Wednesday's live broadcast
from Parliament Lawns. It was the National Lamb Day Barbecue.
National Lamb Days tomorrow and once again Rabobanks, sponsors of
this wonderful show, are also proud to be returning as
a principal partner of National Lamb Day, which, as I said,
takes place tomorrow Sunday, February fifteenth, one hundred and forty
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four years on from the sailing ship Dunedin leaving port
Charmers for London arrived ninety eight days later with over
five thousand carcasses. Only one was deemed unfit for sale.
Up next, more action from the Lamb Day barbecue at
Parliament on Wednesday. Chris Hapkins, Winston Peters and the bloke
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who's running the show, Christopher Luxenco mest.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
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Speaker 4 (24:05):
Rabobank, let's get would be Prime Minister. I have to
believe the polls will be will be, He's saying, Chris Sipkens,
such a thank you very much for coming along. I'm
going to start with that India free trade agreement. We
have got a history of bipartisan politics when it comes
to our free trade agreements. Is it a done deal
that you guys will support this? Well, first of all, Jamie,
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I have a complaint for you.
Speaker 9 (24:27):
You made us walk past the barbecue where they're cooking
a very very nice smelling lamb.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
In order to in order to come and speak to you.
Speaker 9 (24:37):
But I'll do my best. Look on the free trade
agreement with India. The government actually haven't formally asked us
for our support at this point, but we're taking it
from their public comments that they would quite like that.
I think there's been an absolutely botched process by the
government where they've just failed to deliver good government. The
fact that they can't get their own side to support it,
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I think is an indictment on them. I'm trying to
be the adult in the room here.
Speaker 10 (25:02):
Though.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
Free trade is good for New Zealand. We rely on it.
Speaker 9 (25:06):
You know, we're here today on Lamb Day where we
celebrate the contribution that refrigeration has made to us as
a trading nation. You know, it is so important to
us as a country. I think the government have done
some things in this trade agreement which do need scrutiny,
some of the immigration provisions and some of the investment provisions,
and it do need to be properly scrutinized. Increased quota
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access that's great. Removal of tariffs that's great. The labor
parties fully.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
In support of those things. So you know we're working
through that with the government now. The Prime Minister and
Todd McLay singing from the same hymn sheet on this one.
Speaker 9 (25:41):
I just think they're being too tricky. They should just
be upfront with people. No, there isn't an ability in
the agreement to cap the number of international students coming
from India, but to do so would be discriminatory in
a way that we've never done before as a country anyway,
So they, rather than just being cute with the truth,
be upfront with New Zealanders about it. Tell them what's
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in the agreement and tell them why you've agreed to that.
I think the problem is they've been trying to put
a positive spin on it rather than just being upfront
about what's in it.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Okay, I've got a text in here from a Good
West Coaster to Katie Milne former president of Federated Farmers.
Don't forget that most of India cows are sacred and
are only milked for protein. A lamb has huge opportunities.
So we all agree on that one. Now. Talking about
the West Coast back benches last night, Chris, because you've
let the Southland boy loosen the big town. It's a
bit of a knees up for us, a bit quite
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exciting to come to the big smoke. Rumors were rife
that Wayne Langford, current president of Federated Farmers, is going
to be standing for Labor and Damien's old seat West
Coast tasman. Can you confirm or deny if you want to, you.
Speaker 9 (26:48):
Know, cast those potential aspersions on Wayne.
Speaker 7 (26:51):
I don't view them as suspersions, but he might.
Speaker 9 (26:53):
Then maybe you should raise those with him, but we
don't comment on the nominating process for electric seats until
candidates of he would.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
I'm unaware of his political allegiance, but someone like him
with genuine agg cred would be good for you because
if you don't mind me saying so, you lack it.
Speaker 9 (27:11):
Oh well, we've got a very broad range of people
putting their names for it to be Labor candidates at
the forthcoming election.
Speaker 7 (27:16):
I'm really excited about that, and it is people.
Speaker 9 (27:19):
I think. I've got many people coming from backgrounds that
you wouldn't normally associate, you know, as potential labour candidates.
There's people from rural communities and farming backgrounds. We've got
people from business backgrounds. We've got people from sort of
law and ordinary type of backgrounds. Those aren't necessarily people
you'd expect to see putting their names for for labor traditionally.
I think that's a really healthy sign that we're getting
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those that interest.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
Chris Hipkins, thank you so much for coming along and
gracing us with your presence. You can go and have
a lamb rack now. I don't know where the Prime
Minister is, but we've got a cast of thousands to
chat too before the end of the hour, including David
Seymour and Winston Peters. Can I put those two on
air together? Probably not, eh.
Speaker 9 (27:57):
I think they struggled to sit around the cabinet table together.
From what I've seen, I'll get a bit of separation.
Maybe maybe you can, you know, sort of ask them,
you know, ask them why they can't work more constructively together,
you know, take something like the free trade agreement with India. Really,
the situation that I'm in now I shouldn't be, you know,
it shouldn't be the government coming cap in hand to
the opposition. The government should have sorted this all out
a long time ago.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
And they haven't. Okay, hey, got to go. Thanks for
your time. You enjoy a Lamb wreck. It is the
National Lamb Day Barbecue on Parliament Launch. You just cannot
beat Wellington on a good day, and we've got a
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Prime Minister Winston Peters, thank you very much for coming along.
Now we've already spoken to Chris Hipkins. He said he
is going to have to be the grown up in
the room over the Indian FTA. You're taking a bit
of heat for this.
Speaker 10 (28:57):
No, I'm not quite the converse. As each day goes back,
ipeople have begin to understand that if you have a contact,
maybe it pays to have a legal mind to be
able to understand what it means. That's where I've got
the edge on some of these people.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Are we getting mixed messaging from the Prime Minister V
Todd McLay.
Speaker 10 (29:13):
Look, you have to ask them about that. I'm just
saying what I know and what I've learned, and everything
that I've said is confirmed by a goal the equivalent
Trade Minister in India and the Prime Minister of India Modi,
they're confirming exactly everything I've said. Time will code will
come by. I can tell you one hund percent certain
you'll find out who's right and who's wrong.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
This is all about immigration as far as you're concerned.
It's got nothing to do with the free trade agreement,
right ho.
Speaker 10 (29:37):
Look when you say that we got ninety three percent
access to their markets on things we don't sell, what
does that mean? And I look at the Australian market
when the suspect of some things they're saying, and I
look at that lack of progress that the Indian's free
trade deal with Australia has bred when it comes to
some things we're promising people about now. So I'm saying
to the Farming Committee maybe for the first time for
a long time. Start listening and paying attention because your
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future it depends upon this.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
National are saying that they can effectively cap student Jesus
under disagreement. You obviously disagree. No, I don't disagree.
Speaker 10 (30:09):
The document does the document mentions uncapped?
Speaker 4 (30:13):
Now?
Speaker 10 (30:13):
How clear can you be? Who said that as well?
Mody said that the Goala said that, Well, the published
India says that. So why are you hearing one thing
when the facts and documentation are something else. I'm the
one an argument here. I just wanted to say to people.
I was alerted when I first saw it, and I
became concerned as to where this was going. And I
expressed rightly my concerns because I still believe that we
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can make massive progress with India on things like farming
and milk because they need our help.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
They don't need a dairy deal.
Speaker 10 (30:44):
No, no, you say, do they look? I said to them,
and I wasn't getting I didn't have enough time to
spend it with some of them, but I said, you
will need thirty five percent more food in the next
thirty years and you can't no chance of getting there
without you got a dramatic lift in your own production.
We can help you seriously, but those sorts of debates
and approaches take time to bed in.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
So what do you say to the people who say
that if we didn't sign up when we signed it,
but we would have to wait years to get another
crack at it.
Speaker 10 (31:13):
But my question is sign what?
Speaker 4 (31:15):
Well? The free trade agreement?
Speaker 10 (31:18):
Yes, so what does it mean? What does it mean?
What are you signing up to take on? I'm hard
look at that? And do you know that twenty thousand
plus will be coming right? And they bring their parents,
bring their children and stay here for three years after
they've graduated. All this is in in that documentation that
surrounds it.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
Did you know that?
Speaker 10 (31:34):
Well, if you didn't, why did you make your decision
that was a good idea?
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Then? Okay, just quickly because I need to let you
go and have a lamb shop. I want to ask
you about I don't know, you don't comment on poles,
but I do want to ask you about the scenario.
Look at that smile. The scenario of Tapati Murray maybe
only winning one or two seats instead of all the
Maori seats. Surely that would spell the end for a
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left leaning coalition.
Speaker 10 (31:59):
In my first beach in twenty twenty three after the
twenty three three elections, I said the Murray Party were finished.
Did you remember that?
Speaker 4 (32:07):
I can't remember what I had last speech from twenty.
Speaker 10 (32:10):
Two for a look of sho was right they finished?
Stand back and watch. The good news is I'll still
come on your program despite the fact there's some of
your farmers need to wake up right here right.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
Now, pols Winston Peters at the National Lamb Day barbecue
at Parliament Lawns on Wednesday. Yes, some of your farmers
need to wake up right here, right now, says one
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Speaker 4 (32:55):
But we got the boss here as well. I might
get see what his view is on the Indian Free
Trade Agreement, Christopher Luxen, and I'm pleased to see he hasn't.
Just as he comes in there you go friendly shake
at the hands with his former deputy Prime Minister all right,
so he's softened me up. He's told me the real
truth Prime Minister about the Indian Free Trade A gram
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and well done for not putting your National Lamb Day
T shirt over suit.
Speaker 11 (33:23):
I have just jumped off a plane, I have raced
through this building to get to you today. I chucked
the T shirt on while I was walking.
Speaker 7 (33:29):
I managed to not this.
Speaker 11 (33:31):
Year put over the top of the suit coat, which
is a major achievement because it was a fashion faux part.
But I put a lot of attention on National Lamb Day.
I thought last year there were two things that I
think drove National Lamb Day last year. One was me
wearing a T shirt over the top of my suit
because I had to go straight.
Speaker 7 (33:42):
Back to Parliament.
Speaker 11 (33:43):
And the second thing was you came here and very
respectfully pete in the bushes and no, I know, yeah,
I don't think you've done that this year.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
No, no, no, I haven't. Obviously haven't had enough coffee
this morning. I had a bit of a night on
the town last night at Wellington. You got to interestingly
at back bench. Yes, Federated Farmist turned up and drove
so they were all there and the rumor running rife.
He's around here somewhere. I've got to ask him. Is
that Wayne Langford the President is going to stand for
labor in West Coast Tasman. Have you heard that rumor?
Speaker 7 (34:12):
And I haven't heard that at all.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
No, that was the one doing the rounds last night.
We won't let the truth get in the way of
a good story. So Winston has kind of said, you're
telling porkies on student visas and we're going to get
twenty thousand Indians in here. This is all about immigration.
It's not about free trade as far as he's concerned.
Speaker 7 (34:32):
Oh look, I mean what it is about free trade.
Speaker 11 (34:35):
It's actually about New Zealand getting in on the ground
floor with a growing economy that's going to be moving
increasingly into the middle classes. That's got huge demand for
New Zealand's products and services, including lamb and red meat
and other things. So, you know, WinCE, he's had a
long standing policy of opposing for every agreements. You know,
we saw that with the China FTA, We've seen it
now at the Indian FTA. Frankly, he's wrong. I respect him,
but he's just wrong and he's entitled to his point
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of view. He's got a different point of view, but
I can tell you from our end, you know, we've
done an outstanding deal. And as you've seen even the
European deal come through, you've seen others in recent periods.
The fact that we're in there early with the Indians
is fantastic. And let's just fast forward five, ten, fifteen,
twenty years from now. You can't tell me.
Speaker 7 (35:15):
With the biggest population in the world, the third biggest.
Speaker 11 (35:18):
Economy, one of the fast the fastest growing G twenty
economy in the world, that us being well positioned with
the Indians is a good thing for New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
To final question for you, and I threw this one
at Winston, who had a sort of grumpy face on that.
How do you get on arguing with him when he's
got his grumpy face on?
Speaker 11 (35:33):
Oh look, we have some robust conversations, but that's what
you'd expect and makes you it's part of the good sports.
But no, look, I mean, as you've seen, you know,
we have differences, you know, and that's okay in an
MMP environment where you put three parties together. That's the
electoral system. New Zealand's voted for time and time again.
You go to election night, you then chas to form
a government and to try and make it work. And
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doesn't mean we agree on everything, but actually we agree
on the important stuff and we agree with there's common
ground on you know, the core agenda of the government.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Okay, Well my question to him was, and I'll throw
it at you for to believe the polls. Maybe if
to party Marie only win one or two seats, does
that spell the end of a labor led coalition?
Speaker 11 (36:10):
Well, I think what's going to spell the end of
any labor prospects of government as a capital gains tax.
And then you heard him concernding there beside Chloe Swarbrick
not ruling out eighty billion dollars worth a new taxes
on wealth taxes and trust taxes and death taxes and
every other sort of tax. So you know that's not
what New Zealand needs right now. We've worked damn hard
over the last two years to get this recovery in place,
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and you're going to snuff it out in a heartbeat
by doing that.
Speaker 7 (36:32):
I'm telling it immediately. So you know, frankly, their policies
are wrong.
Speaker 11 (36:36):
They're going to spend more like they did last time
wasteful spending. They're going to tax more and they're going
to borrow a hell of a lot more.
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footy to watch or catch you back same time, same
place next Saturday Morning. Kicked off the show with a
bit of John Denver going to go out with some
more classics seventies country music. This is Glenn Campbell and
country Boy. I can remember.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Country You got your beat in a a tackle, look
at everything you want.
Speaker 12 (38:07):
But now and then my heart keeps going, ooh, you're
talking on the telephone, sitting upon other.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
People.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
To me, you gotta do what's right. You gotta spend
the night stand in touch with the street when you're
surrounded by friends that say the fun ever end. So
I guess I'll ever figure it out. But in the
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back of my mind I hear retire at the time
is the spotting all about? Can't fie? You got your
beet in ala but jo b jello see Looking back,
I can't remember the time where I say my son
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read contry. Boy, you've got JOm beat in aa, take
a look at everything you want, but now and then.
Speaker 12 (39:22):
The keeps coming fall.
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Can't be boy. You want your beat in abe but
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which is actually tomorrow, but it's kind of been National
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Lamb Week because on Wednesday I journeyed up to Wellington
for the National Lamb Day barbecue on the Parliamentary lawns.
And you're going to hear some of the action from
our live broadcast shortly. But we're going to kick the
show off talking about Lamb with a Hawk's Bay Farmer,
a super and hust one two I might add, who
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has a lofty goal of a fifteen hundred dollars lamb. Yeah,
your Lamb's going to be worth fifteen hundred dollars at
the moment. A good Lamb's worth an excess of two
hundred dollars, So how does he make the Sun's work?
Mark Warren up. Next, we pivot I hate that word,
but we pivot from lamb to cherries. Mike Casey, the
Cromwell cherry grower, the man behind the great electric cherry migration,
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caught up with him on Chuesday Show on his way
to Wellington to woo the politicians with his big electric
eighteen wheeler truck and a whole lot of cherries for
the politicians. Then the action happens from our broadcast on
Wednesday from Parliament or the parliament lawns Nathan Guy, Meat
Industry Association Chair Chris Hipkins, Labor Leader Winston Peters, New
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Zealand First Leader, Prime Minister Christopher Luxen. That's all on
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Yes The countdown to National Lamb Day on Sunday continues tomorrow.
We are at Wellington broadcasting from the Parliamentary Lawn, a
barbecue with the politicians and a few industry leaders and
then on Friday it's down to South and God's own
farming province for the Southern Field Days at Waimumu. I thought,
by way of inspiring people and getting people to dream
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of lofty goals, I would talk to this man, he
has a lofty goal, but is he one lamb chop
short of a barbecue? Mark Warren Hawks, Bay Sheep and
beef farmer a fifteen hundred dollars lamb? Really, what have
you been smoking? Oh?
Speaker 5 (02:53):
I know, we're just smoking a green grass here at
the moment, Jannie, there's so much of it. It's absolutely brilliant.
So seriously, if we don't keep having your goal, we're
never going to get there. A couple of years ago,
many years ago, I remember going to a meeting with
Foster John John Foster Richmond's where were aiming to get
thirty dollars a lamb? That was the late eighties. Then
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the Feds, I was thinking about two thousand and eight,
had t one fifty aim to get one hundred and
fifty dollars a lamb, And I thought, well, come on,
keep aiming instead of scratching around and look at your
looking at your untied bootlaces, lift your eyes to the horizon,
and look, there won't be every lamb at all, but
there's an opportunity to have a few little boutique lambs,
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very carefully produced, possibly casing for that very very high
end market that goes with the bottle of sort of
shadow moot on, which was a couple of grand a
bottle and supplying those of the people in the New
York apartments. But you know the eighty million dollar apartments
that I saw a little bit of, and when we
launched the just Sean Brandon and New York probably about
(04:01):
ten years ago now, so you know, aim high, aim
for the stars. We hit the moon on the way through.
Speaker 6 (04:06):
So bad.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Well, Mark, I think you've got yourself. You've weaseled yourself
onto the show under false pretenses. I thought you were
talking about fifteen hundred dollars a lamb for all lambs.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
Well, all right, Jamie, I'll resign now and let you
people scratch around with the Turkey's let case.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
So okay, Well, let's talk about the elite few. You're
talking about marketing to people in penthouses overlooking Central Park
in New York earning eighty million dollars a year or
living in an eighty million dollar apartment. God knows what
they're earning. How do you still get a lamb up
to fifteen hundred dollars I'm intrigued.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
Well, you've only got to look for what the key
of people sell salmon, smoked salmon, and crayfish, you know,
on a per tilo basis. What we basically need to
do is by the time you take out of any
of the biocycles and the pelt, and I giving you
evidence that I was selling a few very high quality
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white Verry gourmet holg It pelts around one hundred and
fifty dollars a pelt, two hundred of pelt, you're only
going to get the lamb value up around thirty three
dollars a kilo, which has a lot a lot when
you look at what you sell crapus for in the
seven and that, and it could be a heavier carcass.
That's what we've got to aim for.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Well, okay, so at thirty three dollars a kilo, the
lamb's going to have to be what thirty or forty kilos?
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Yeah, on the hog kilo, that's not a lamb, that's
a ram.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
Bullshit. That is they're still quite possible to sell thirty
kilo lamb carcasses. I can give you examples of doing that.
I'm not going to goat too much to national radio.
It can be done. And you see the lovely thing
about this is everyone laughs at my tapes for action
and quietly there's a few other people clearly in New
Zealand doing this stuff. They're going under the I'm just
(06:00):
trying to raise the raise of sites for those who
are still scratching. My dear Peter Alexander, mentor and business
and accountant, used to say three LARTs of farmer, those
who make things happen, those what things happen, and those
that wonder what happens. So you don't want to be
in the last category.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Jami, Okay, you've got a thirty kilogram lamb. You're going
to sell it for three times the current schedule. I'm
just trying to do the maths here in my head.
At thirty three dollars eleven times three, that gets you
what a thousand bucks the pout? How are you going
to sell the pout for one hundred and fifty or
two hundred dollars without spending a fortune on us?
Speaker 5 (06:35):
Oh? You there might be a few a little costs
coming through. And look, you know that's part of the
whole game. It's the bioceuticals. I mean you look at
what that clever angel of pain from Every Lab was
doing with lambs. What were you a leambs guts making
posh spice of face cream out of it? You know
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the bioceuticals that we a huge amount of money. They
get frushed down, the frush down the gut pit for
a lot of people and keep people go and pull
them back out and adds huge value that's been slipping
past a lot of people for a long time. It's
just a conversation we need to have. It won't be
just about the meat. It won't just be the pelt.
It'll be a whole lot of other things, all editing
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as well.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
So Mark Lauren, you're telling me you're going to sell
the dream to these rich New Yorkers. They can watch
their lamb free grazing on a seaside salad of salt
and crusted natural green herbs and grasses of the coastal
Central Hawks Bay, drinking pure mineral water. Isn't that what
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Sue's Redmain's doing. On the other side, of the North Island.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
Absolutely, yeah, doing it very very well. But our hills
a little bit better than Susan and Richards and all
credit for them, absolutely, but I've got a slightly better
trick than that. What we are going to aim so
or could aim, is that what we do is we
sell half share in that land to the New Yorker
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while it's still running around the panic, so they feel
they have good ownership. Those sort of people love to
have ownership. That want the provenance, and it's like having
your own vineyard. And that's a bit of a datats
at the moment, this is this wine comes from our
own vineyard and timbuck two and then they have the provenance,
they can check out. We could have a sort of
holes to type color on them, so they could check
(08:27):
out on Google Earth where the lambs sleep last, I
can seal the zig Zagg weren't sleep ape we drank.
Provedence of food at that level is worth a lot
of money.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Yeah, but they might get too connected to Larry the Lamb.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
All right, where the sea solutions, Jamie lose the sea problems.
We're seeing a pattern from you are in now can.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
No No, I'm just I'm playing devil's advocate. You're you're
trying to sell me the dream. And of course you
go on to say that the lamb's last memory because
you're going to slaughter. Can I use that word and you'll.
Speaker 6 (09:02):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
You're already bugging one of those.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Okay, sorry, You're going to harvest the lamb in situe
or on site there and its last memory before the
bolt hits it in the head will be gazing out
at the seaside.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
Well, we all know that being a good mustain or
a good world animal where's no stress involved makes so
much better meat. And if you look at the GAP program,
and you may remember that Whyprairi was very lucky. We
were the first GAP rated sheep farm in the world.
There's various levels of gat accreditation and get five will
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get five point five is where it's actually harvested and
the panic as it grew up, so there's none getting
on the truck and getting stressed and all the rest
of it. It's just one of those extra little steps
to make it extra tasty and extra tender.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
All right, I must remember that harvest instead of slaughter.
You do have a Facebook page, it's the fifteen hundred
dollars lamb by twenty twenty eight. You're not giving yourself
much of a runway in there, But just want to
finish on another comments you made, and I think this
one does have some legs. And this is having like
a hogot schedule, because lamb's very expensive. Mutton's obviously cheaper,
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but it doesn't taste as good as lamb. But for
those of us who were born and raised on farms,
a hog it beats of lamb every day of the week.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
Yeah, well, we're picking up and I feel very you know,
sorry for people in town so they just cannot afford
lamb anymore. And I totally get that. And there have
been people saying, oh, pets, we should just make sure
that farmers have to give ten percent of their lamb
at a low price to the locals. Doesn't work like that.
I've asked them if they wanted to work for me
for ten percent less than a good wage. But if
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we were to focus on a hogit grade coming up
to Christmas for barbecues and chrystals dinner. There are a
lot of tailing lambs that once they cut their teeth
Kale and Olca's lamb, they cut their teeth, they automaticly
get grass and the mutton grade. If we had a
Hoggit grade for local trade, we could provide much more valuable,
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better value meat to New Zerman locals for probably halfway
between lamb and mutton. And that's one way of showing it. Yes,
we do care about the locals. We'd give them better
value for money, and we'd actually make very good use
of those lambs that just go into the mutton grade
and realistically get lost in the system.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
And those hoggits are to die for. Actually, Mark Warren,
my father used to kill or I can't say that slaughter. No,
I can't even say that. My father used to harvest
dry two teeths and he reckoned. They were the best
eating of the whole lot. Anyhow, food for thought, and
I do like your idea of a Hoggot schedule because
that lamb is fantastic. Good luck with your pipe dream
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the fifteen hundred dollars lamb by twenty twenty eight. I'm
going to call you back in two years time and
see how you've got on right.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
Oh Jamie. But just remember what we try to do
here is a bit stimulated with a positive discussion and
long term vision. So what if we get thirteen hundred
bucks elem instead. But if you don't name the stars,
you only hit the moon. Well, you know, let's try that.
But instead of scratching around being turkeys and focusing on
untied bootlaces.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Lovely to chat, see you later, right than.
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Speaker 4 (12:26):
He is the electric cherry guy from rewiring our rower.
His name is Mike Casey, Cromwell cherry grower, but he's
not there today. He's making his way to Wellington on
the Great Electric Cherry Migration. He's sending a big electric
truck all the way from Cromwell to the Beehive. You realize,
Mike Casey, you're cutting my luncher. But we're going there
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to do the National Lamb Day barbecue tomorrow and you're
going to put a spanner in the works with the cherries.
Speaker 6 (12:53):
What a are special freed for our politicians. The best
of the primary sector of both our land and our
lamb and our cherries. Very exciting to see. Hopefully you
get to have some of these cherries you got to
ask some of those politicians to see tomorrow to make
sure that they bring some cherries down for you as well.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
I don't think they'll survive a day on overnight, will they.
Speaker 6 (13:11):
This is the thing we often hear that the staff
and the offices of these politicians don't get a single cherry.
They feel quite agreeed by that. But it's good because
you know, as farmers, we grow the best produce in
the world, and it's really good to be out to
demonstrate that to politicians.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Well, you're not only a farm are you one of
the world's great marketers. I see you've got the Hoskin
adopting a cherry tree. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
Absolutely, And I've got a boxing cherries on on its
way to you as well, just to keep you butted
up as well and hopefully keep coming back on the show,
which I really enjoy.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Okay, what is the theory behind the Great cherry or
the great electric cherry Migration? Because this is not like
an electric you. This is a big truck, isn't it.
Speaker 6 (13:50):
This is a big truck. So this is one of
these tractor trucks that can show well, it's an eighteen
wheeler essentially, and we've got a big box of cherries
on the back of that. And Ross Linton from did
E Trucks has joined the party this year. And you know,
obviously we grow our cherries without using any fossil fuels
at all, and harvest them and pack them. And now
we've got a trip on an electric truck all the
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way up to Parliament as well. So the only fossil
fuels left to eliminate now getting these cherries to parliaments
is the inter islander. And I'm hoping you New Zealand
comes to party next year and we can throw them
in the electric plane and.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Get them over. So do you really want to fly
in an electric plane?
Speaker 6 (14:26):
Who knows? I mean the cherries. Maybe we'll see about me.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
I don't want to go on one.
Speaker 6 (14:31):
Well, the story that I've been hearing from men New
Zealand is the pilots are queuing up to fly it.
So you know, if the pilots want to do it,
that's totally okay.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Hey, so this big truck, this eighteen wheeler, how many
times do you have to stop and recharge it on
the way from Cromwell to Picton and then across to Wellington.
Speaker 6 (14:48):
So this is a deep way truck, which I think
last night Ross stopped in christ Church for a quick charge,
which I think he was able to do well. Obviously,
you know resting and thing is rest sorted for the
log book and then all it's way to pick In
and all it's way to Parliament. But there is another
truck in New Zealand as well that is going one step.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Further than there.
Speaker 6 (15:10):
That's sort of sort of the long haul truck, but
it's not quite complied yet. So we've gone with a
medium range truck which required one charge, but these other trucks, yeah,
they can go the whole way, which is super exciting.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
From your publicity blurb, Mike Casey, you say, no matter
where you sit on the political spectrum, twenty billion a
year is on the line. That's how much the country
ie New Zealand spends on fossil fuels every year. That's
fifty five million dollars every day. And then you go
on to say the average New Zealand home could save
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one thousand dollars every year by installing solar, including their
loan repayments, and around two thousand dollars per year with
batteries and space and water heat pumps sizable savings.
Speaker 6 (15:54):
That's right. And so this really is at a point
now where I just think we need to lift this
whole discussion around energy and prosperity for our economy above
the political layers. There shouldn't be something that one side
of politics is arguing for and the other one isn't.
And so the whole point of this cherry migration is
just to illustrate how much money I save on my
farm by going electric and the fact that we can
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produce really good cherries and get that to every single
MP in Parliament. So ultimately the policies will be different,
and there's politics a play and that's the political game
and that's not proceed that we live in. But overall,
I really just want to see New Zealanders win. I
really want to see New Zealand farmers take advantage of
this energy transition. So yeah, it's all about just trying
to demonstrate that there's just a better way of doing
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things and it's not actually as contentious as what people
might think it is.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Well, you're a great advocate for electrification, Mike Casey. I
know you've got to catch a playing. We've caught you
and transit to Wellington when this goes to air, you'll
be shoving up, rubbing shoulders with the politicians. Who's your favorite?
Who do you want to get into a conversation with?
Speaker 6 (16:56):
Oh, I think, to be honest, all of them. Barbara
Kruge has been absolutely amazing that we speaker National Party
MP who sent an invite out to anyone that wants
to come down and see a giant electric truck and
have the yarn about electrication. So I'm pretty open. I
like to havemain independence and yeah, literally, anyone who wants
to have a conversation with me, whether that be Chloe
(17:16):
Wawbrook or David Bymore, I am. I'd love to So yeah,
looking forward to this seeing as many as I can.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Really Well, good on you the cherries today, it's the
lamb chops tomorrow. Mike Casey, good luck getting to Wellington
and enjoy your day with the politicians.
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Gooday in New Zealand and welcome to the country special
ob Today we are broadcasting from Parliament lawns. You can't
beat Wellington on a good day. It's the National Lamb
Day Barbecue and we've got all sorts of political celebrities,
plus Grant McCullum hanging around in case some of them
don't turn up. Christoph Luxon's running awe bit late. Chris
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Hipkins will be here shortly. I will also be talking
to David Seymour and Winston. I don't think we'll be
doing that at the same time. I don't know if
they play that well together. And Steve Abel's going to
make an appearance from the Greens. But kicking off the
show in the absence of the Prime Minister is a
former National Party minister, former Minister for Primary Industries, Nathan Guy,
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who was wearing his Meat Industry Association hat today because
the Meat Industry Association, along with Beef and Lamb New
Zealand are putting on this National Lamb Day barbecue. Good afternoon, Nathan,
and good to catch you for a bear and Wellington
last night it.
Speaker 8 (18:47):
Was great, Jamie. It's surprising how you bump into oh
Lad at night in Wellington.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Well it is and I did a bit at fair
bit of celebrity spotting on the way here. I was
sitting behind Dane Cole's on the plane and aged and
brought him a wee bit about rugby. Of course he
was down looking at Jamie Joseph and I think he's
off to Japan to have a look at Dave Rennie.
And then I get out to the uber rank at
Wellington Airport and they've changed it since last time I
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was here, right, So I sort of yelled out to
anyone who would listen, where's the uber rank? And this
bloke gets out of a car and says it's over there,
and I say, oh, hello you and Chatfield lovely to
mood Shoe. So there you go.
Speaker 7 (19:24):
It's such a name dropper.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
I am a name dropper and I saw you. Stewart
Todd McLay of the Federated Farmers Boys were all in
back benches last night with a rumor running rife and
we're going to have to deal with this one today.
Wayne Langford, potential Labor Party candidate for Tasman West Coast, Wow,
off the press, Off the press, but let's get onto
your job. Wow shit.
Speaker 8 (19:46):
I wonder if Wayne will be in a blue car
or a red car on the West coast be interesting
to see.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
We will watch that space. Indeed, look this, we were
celebrating a National Lamb Day on Sunday, one hundred and
forty four years since the good Ship Dunedin left Port Charmers.
They had over five thousand carcasses and they actually had
two hundred and forty six kegs of butter. So not
only was it the birth of our frozen meat industry,
it was almost the birth of our export dairy industry
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as well. Ninety eight days at sea when they got there,
only one carcass was unfit for sale. Isn't that amazing?
Speaker 8 (20:20):
That was the start of what we're celebrating today. That
first shipment really got us into gear in the UK
and as a result of that, we're celebrating one hundred
and forty four years of a magnificent product, the best
in the world, and that is our lamb. I'm so
excited about today. I'm really looking forward to tasting a
beautiful lamb chop. Celebrate our farmers, Celebrate our processes.
Speaker 7 (20:45):
You know, when you think about the processes that I represent.
Speaker 8 (20:47):
We have to deal with such a lot geopolitical issues,
exchange rate fluctuations, there's numerous issues domestic policies. I see
Chris Hipkins is here, so that's going to be an
interesting take to hear from him and what the opposition
parties are thinking coming into the election. We're working on
our own election manifesto on bree hard At behalf of
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the red meat sector to make sure that when politicians
are thinking about their policies that they're cognizant of the
fact that we are the biggest manufacturing industry in New Zealand,
ninety thousand jobs when you think about direct and indirect
and twelve billion dollars of exports.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
And I want to give a bit of a pat
on the back to the meat industry suppliers who are
putting on the lamb shops, Lambrecks hopefully today, the Alliance Group,
ansco Ovation and Greenley, so they're all supporting this.
Speaker 8 (21:40):
Day, Yes they are, and others are supporting other initiatives
up and down the country. Why Mumu, you alluded to
happening down south as other localized events happening.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
This is really a day of celebrating success. Just before
I let get Chris Hitkins on. Very good of them
to turn up for the Prime Minister's not here yet,
so maybe it could be the next Prime minister. Bipartisan
politics is important. Then I'll be really interested to hear
what Chris Hipkins has to say about this India Free
Trade deal, because there seems to be a lot of
controversy about it at the moment. I'm hoping, and I
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don't know whether E'll nods head or not, that Labor
will support this. I'm sure they will.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
Oh.
Speaker 7 (22:18):
My view is that labor will support it. It will
pass with a majority.
Speaker 8 (22:22):
Yes, there'll be one or two political parties that might
kick up, but let's be clear.
Speaker 7 (22:28):
We're five million people here.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
We export around the world.
Speaker 8 (22:31):
India is a massive market, one point five billion potential population.
We've been battling against the thirty percent tariff for lamb
into India and it's a market that could be really big.
This could be like China was to us when we
started off. Small steps but massive to the New Zealand
economy and to our farmers and processes. So my plea
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to all politicians is get behind the FDA, bang it
through the Parliament so that we can try and get
ahead of the European settling theres because they've got a
better wine deal than we have, so we need to
move fast.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
Life is all there, Nathan Guy from Wednesday's live broadcast
from Parliament Lawns. It was the National Lamb Day Barbecue.
National Lamb Days tomorrow and once again Rabobanks, sponsors of
this wonderful show, are also proud to be returning as
a principal partner of National Lamb Day, which, as I said,
takes place tomorrow Sunday, February fifteenth, one hundred and forty
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four years on from the sailing ship Dunedin leaving port
Charmers for London arrived ninety eight days later with over
five thousand carcasses. Only one was deemed unfit for sale.
Up next, more action from the Lamb Day barbecue at
Parliament on Wednesday. Chris Hapkins, Winston Peters and the bloke
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who's running the show, Christopher Luxenco mest.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
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Speaker 4 (24:05):
Rabobank, let's get would be Prime Minister. I have to
believe the polls will be will be, He's saying, Chris Sipkens,
such a thank you very much for coming along. I'm
going to start with that India free trade agreement. We
have got a history of bipartisan politics when it comes
to our free trade agreements. Is it a done deal
that you guys will support this? Well, first of all, Jamie,
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I have a complaint for you.
Speaker 9 (24:27):
You made us walk past the barbecue where they're cooking
a very very nice smelling lamb.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
In order to in order to come and speak to you.
Speaker 9 (24:37):
But I'll do my best. Look on the free trade
agreement with India. The government actually haven't formally asked us
for our support at this point, but we're taking it
from their public comments that they would quite like that.
I think there's been an absolutely botched process by the
government where they've just failed to deliver good government. The
fact that they can't get their own side to support it,
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I think is an indictment on them. I'm trying to
be the adult in the room here.
Speaker 10 (25:02):
Though.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
Free trade is good for New Zealand. We rely on it.
Speaker 9 (25:06):
You know, we're here today on Lamb Day where we
celebrate the contribution that refrigeration has made to us as
a trading nation. You know, it is so important to
us as a country. I think the government have done
some things in this trade agreement which do need scrutiny,
some of the immigration provisions and some of the investment provisions,
and it do need to be properly scrutinized. Increased quota
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access that's great. Removal of tariffs that's great. The labor
parties fully.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
In support of those things. So you know we're working
through that with the government now. The Prime Minister and
Todd McLay singing from the same hymn sheet on this one.
Speaker 9 (25:41):
I just think they're being too tricky. They should just
be upfront with people. No, there isn't an ability in
the agreement to cap the number of international students coming
from India, but to do so would be discriminatory in
a way that we've never done before as a country anyway,
So they, rather than just being cute with the truth,
be upfront with New Zealanders about it. Tell them what's
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in the agreement and tell them why you've agreed to that.
I think the problem is they've been trying to put
a positive spin on it rather than just being upfront
about what's in it.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Okay, I've got a text in here from a Good
West Coaster to Katie Milne former president of Federated Farmers.
Don't forget that most of India cows are sacred and
are only milked for protein. A lamb has huge opportunities.
So we all agree on that one. Now. Talking about
the West Coast back benches last night, Chris, because you've
let the Southland boy loosen the big town. It's a
bit of a knees up for us, a bit quite
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exciting to come to the big smoke. Rumors were rife
that Wayne Langford, current president of Federated Farmers, is going
to be standing for Labor and Damien's old seat West
Coast tasman. Can you confirm or deny if you want to, you.
Speaker 9 (26:48):
Know, cast those potential aspersions on Wayne.
Speaker 7 (26:51):
I don't view them as suspersions, but he might.
Speaker 9 (26:53):
Then maybe you should raise those with him, but we
don't comment on the nominating process for electric seats until
candidates of he would.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
I'm unaware of his political allegiance, but someone like him
with genuine agg cred would be good for you because
if you don't mind me saying so, you lack it.
Speaker 9 (27:11):
Oh well, we've got a very broad range of people
putting their names for it to be Labor candidates at
the forthcoming election.
Speaker 7 (27:16):
I'm really excited about that, and it is people.
Speaker 9 (27:19):
I think. I've got many people coming from backgrounds that
you wouldn't normally associate, you know, as potential labour candidates.
There's people from rural communities and farming backgrounds. We've got
people from business backgrounds. We've got people from sort of
law and ordinary type of backgrounds. Those aren't necessarily people
you'd expect to see putting their names for for labor traditionally.
I think that's a really healthy sign that we're getting
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those that interest.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
Chris Hipkins, thank you so much for coming along and
gracing us with your presence. You can go and have
a lamb rack now. I don't know where the Prime
Minister is, but we've got a cast of thousands to
chat too before the end of the hour, including David
Seymour and Winston Peters. Can I put those two on
air together? Probably not, eh.
Speaker 9 (27:57):
I think they struggled to sit around the cabinet table together.
From what I've seen, I'll get a bit of separation.
Maybe maybe you can, you know, sort of ask them,
you know, ask them why they can't work more constructively together,
you know, take something like the free trade agreement with India. Really,
the situation that I'm in now I shouldn't be, you know,
it shouldn't be the government coming cap in hand to
the opposition. The government should have sorted this all out
a long time ago.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
And they haven't. Okay, hey, got to go. Thanks for
your time. You enjoy a Lamb wreck. It is the
National Lamb Day Barbecue on Parliament Launch. You just cannot
beat Wellington on a good day, and we've got a
great day to day in Wellington.
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interesting twenty twenty six New Zealand first leader former Deputy
Prime Minister Winston Peters, thank you very much for coming along.
Now we've already spoken to Chris Hipkins. He said he
is going to have to be the grown up in
the room over the Indian FTA. You're taking a bit
of heat for this.
Speaker 10 (28:57):
No, I'm not quite the converse. As each day goes back,
ipeople have begin to understand that if you have a contact,
maybe it pays to have a legal mind to be
able to understand what it means. That's where I've got
the edge on some of these people.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Are we getting mixed messaging from the Prime Minister V
Todd McLay.
Speaker 10 (29:13):
Look, you have to ask them about that. I'm just
saying what I know and what I've learned, and everything
that I've said is confirmed by a goal the equivalent
Trade Minister in India and the Prime Minister of India Modi,
they're confirming exactly everything I've said. Time will code will
come by. I can tell you one hund percent certain
you'll find out who's right and who's wrong.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
This is all about immigration as far as you're concerned.
It's got nothing to do with the free trade agreement,
right ho.
Speaker 10 (29:37):
Look when you say that we got ninety three percent
access to their markets on things we don't sell, what
does that mean? And I look at the Australian market
when the suspect of some things they're saying, and I
look at that lack of progress that the Indian's free
trade deal with Australia has bred when it comes to
some things we're promising people about now. So I'm saying
to the Farming Committee maybe for the first time for
a long time. Start listening and paying attention because your
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future it depends upon this.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
National are saying that they can effectively cap student Jesus
under disagreement. You obviously disagree. No, I don't disagree.
Speaker 10 (30:09):
The document does the document mentions uncapped?
Speaker 4 (30:13):
Now?
Speaker 10 (30:13):
How clear can you be? Who said that as well?
Mody said that the Goala said that, Well, the published
India says that. So why are you hearing one thing
when the facts and documentation are something else. I'm the
one an argument here. I just wanted to say to people.
I was alerted when I first saw it, and I
became concerned as to where this was going. And I
expressed rightly my concerns because I still believe that we
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can make massive progress with India on things like farming
and milk because they need our help.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
They don't need a dairy deal.
Speaker 10 (30:44):
No, no, you say, do they look? I said to them,
and I wasn't getting I didn't have enough time to
spend it with some of them, but I said, you
will need thirty five percent more food in the next
thirty years and you can't no chance of getting there
without you got a dramatic lift in your own production.
We can help you seriously, but those sorts of debates
and approaches take time to bed in.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
So what do you say to the people who say
that if we didn't sign up when we signed it,
but we would have to wait years to get another
crack at it.
Speaker 10 (31:13):
But my question is sign what?
Speaker 4 (31:15):
Well? The free trade agreement?
Speaker 10 (31:18):
Yes, so what does it mean? What does it mean?
What are you signing up to take on? I'm hard
look at that? And do you know that twenty thousand
plus will be coming right? And they bring their parents,
bring their children and stay here for three years after
they've graduated. All this is in in that documentation that
surrounds it.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
Did you know that?
Speaker 10 (31:34):
Well, if you didn't, why did you make your decision
that was a good idea?
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Then? Okay, just quickly because I need to let you
go and have a lamb shop. I want to ask
you about I don't know, you don't comment on poles,
but I do want to ask you about the scenario.
Look at that smile. The scenario of Tapati Murray maybe
only winning one or two seats instead of all the
Maori seats. Surely that would spell the end for a
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left leaning coalition.
Speaker 10 (31:59):
In my first beach in twenty twenty three after the
twenty three three elections, I said the Murray Party were finished.
Did you remember that?
Speaker 4 (32:07):
I can't remember what I had last speech from twenty.
Speaker 10 (32:10):
Two for a look of sho was right they finished?
Stand back and watch. The good news is I'll still
come on your program despite the fact there's some of
your farmers need to wake up right here right.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
Now, pols Winston Peters at the National Lamb Day barbecue
at Parliament Lawns on Wednesday. Yes, some of your farmers
need to wake up right here, right now, says one
he up. Next, Prime Minister Christopher Luckson raps the best
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Speaker 4 (32:55):
But we got the boss here as well. I might
get see what his view is on the Indian Free
Trade Agreement, Christopher Luxen, and I'm pleased to see he hasn't.
Just as he comes in there you go friendly shake
at the hands with his former deputy Prime Minister all right,
so he's softened me up. He's told me the real
truth Prime Minister about the Indian Free Trade A gram
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and well done for not putting your National Lamb Day
T shirt over suit.
Speaker 11 (33:23):
I have just jumped off a plane, I have raced
through this building to get to you today. I chucked
the T shirt on while I was walking.
Speaker 7 (33:29):
I managed to not this.
Speaker 11 (33:31):
Year put over the top of the suit coat, which
is a major achievement because it was a fashion faux part.
But I put a lot of attention on National Lamb Day.
I thought last year there were two things that I
think drove National Lamb Day last year. One was me
wearing a T shirt over the top of my suit
because I had to go straight.
Speaker 7 (33:42):
Back to Parliament.
Speaker 11 (33:43):
And the second thing was you came here and very
respectfully pete in the bushes and no, I know, yeah,
I don't think you've done that this year.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
No, no, no, I haven't. Obviously haven't had enough coffee
this morning. I had a bit of a night on
the town last night at Wellington. You got to interestingly
at back bench. Yes, Federated Farmist turned up and drove
so they were all there and the rumor running rife.
He's around here somewhere. I've got to ask him. Is
that Wayne Langford the President is going to stand for
labor in West Coast Tasman. Have you heard that rumor?
Speaker 7 (34:12):
And I haven't heard that at all.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
No, that was the one doing the rounds last night.
We won't let the truth get in the way of
a good story. So Winston has kind of said, you're
telling porkies on student visas and we're going to get
twenty thousand Indians in here. This is all about immigration.
It's not about free trade as far as he's concerned.
Speaker 7 (34:32):
Oh look, I mean what it is about free trade.
Speaker 11 (34:35):
It's actually about New Zealand getting in on the ground
floor with a growing economy that's going to be moving
increasingly into the middle classes. That's got huge demand for
New Zealand's products and services, including lamb and red meat
and other things. So, you know, WinCE, he's had a
long standing policy of opposing for every agreements. You know,
we saw that with the China FTA, We've seen it
now at the Indian FTA. Frankly, he's wrong. I respect him,
but he's just wrong and he's entitled to his point
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of view. He's got a different point of view, but
I can tell you from our end, you know, we've
done an outstanding deal. And as you've seen even the
European deal come through, you've seen others in recent periods.
The fact that we're in there early with the Indians
is fantastic. And let's just fast forward five, ten, fifteen,
twenty years from now. You can't tell me.
Speaker 7 (35:15):
With the biggest population in the world, the third biggest.
Speaker 11 (35:18):
Economy, one of the fast the fastest growing G twenty
economy in the world, that us being well positioned with
the Indians is a good thing for New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
To final question for you, and I threw this one
at Winston, who had a sort of grumpy face on that.
How do you get on arguing with him when he's
got his grumpy face on?
Speaker 11 (35:33):
Oh look, we have some robust conversations, but that's what
you'd expect and makes you it's part of the good sports.
But no, look, I mean, as you've seen, you know,
we have differences, you know, and that's okay in an
MMP environment where you put three parties together. That's the
electoral system. New Zealand's voted for time and time again.
You go to election night, you then chas to form
a government and to try and make it work. And
(35:53):
doesn't mean we agree on everything, but actually we agree
on the important stuff and we agree with there's common
ground on you know, the core agenda of the government.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Okay, Well my question to him was, and I'll throw
it at you for to believe the polls. Maybe if
to party Marie only win one or two seats, does
that spell the end of a labor led coalition?
Speaker 11 (36:10):
Well, I think what's going to spell the end of
any labor prospects of government as a capital gains tax.
And then you heard him concernding there beside Chloe Swarbrick
not ruling out eighty billion dollars worth a new taxes
on wealth taxes and trust taxes and death taxes and
every other sort of tax. So you know that's not
what New Zealand needs right now. We've worked damn hard
over the last two years to get this recovery in place,
(36:30):
and you're going to snuff it out in a heartbeat
by doing that.
Speaker 7 (36:32):
I'm telling it immediately. So you know, frankly, their policies
are wrong.
Speaker 11 (36:36):
They're going to spend more like they did last time
wasteful spending. They're going to tax more and they're going
to borrow a hell of a lot more.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
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(37:10):
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I'll tell you more about that next week. But I
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footy to watch or catch you back same time, same
place next Saturday Morning. Kicked off the show with a
bit of John Denver going to go out with some
more classics seventies country music. This is Glenn Campbell and
country Boy. I can remember.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Country You got your beat in a a tackle, look
at everything you want.
Speaker 12 (38:07):
But now and then my heart keeps going, ooh, you're
talking on the telephone, sitting upon other.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
People.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
To me, you gotta do what's right. You gotta spend
the night stand in touch with the street when you're
surrounded by friends that say the fun ever end. So
I guess I'll ever figure it out. But in the
(38:47):
back of my mind I hear retire at the time
is the spotting all about? Can't fie? You got your
beet in ala but jo b jello see Looking back,
I can't remember the time where I say my son
(39:10):
read contry. Boy, you've got JOm beat in aa, take
a look at everything you want, but now and then.
Speaker 12 (39:22):
The keeps coming fall.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Can't be boy. You want your beat in abe but
Jrmia don jellousy.
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Looking back, I can
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