January 16, 2026 • 39 mins
Hamish McKay talks to Simon Goss, Stefan Vogel, Hamish Marr, Dr Jacqueline Rowarth, and Wayne Langford.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Best of the Country with Rubbo Back.
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Speaker 3 (00:14):
Good Morning New Zealand and welcome to the first edition
of the Best of the Country for twenty twenty six,
brought to you by Rabobank, bringing you the best interviews.
(00:36):
We spent a bit of time hand picking the best
ones from across the first week of the year. I'm
Hamish McKay and I've had week one of the year
as my good friend Jamie mckaye has just sort of
just summoned a little bit longer than normal.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Been a very.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Enjoyable week coming up on the show. Well, he's a here.
We can't call him a shearer, He's a sharing machine.
Simon Goss reflects on as achievement of a world sharing
record as that all sinks in and we talked to
Rabobanks GM of RABO Research. This is this is so
interesting Stefan Vogel about how weight loss medicines, you know,
(01:13):
the old jab and the tummy thing are impacting eating
patterns and people's purchasing at the supermarket. And it's quite incredible.
That's all coming up here on the best of the Country,
brought to you by a Rabobank, growing a Better New
Zealand together.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
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Speaker 3 (02:10):
Rabobank last week, what a hell of a day it
was down there, and why Marino Country for one young
Simon Goss setting the world record on the full wall
used for nine hours and joins us. Now get a Simon,
how's the body? Sort of a week later?
Speaker 5 (02:27):
Yeah, the bodies, I'd say, I'm pretty much fully recovered.
Now we're feeling pretty good, actually fully refreshed.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
It's been good.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
And the old man Gossie, he's got you at working
already on the farm, but not shearing or in the
wall shehet keeping away from that.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
Yeah, I sure a couple of sheep at the tea
wood he speeds she the other night. But no, yeah,
since the record are the only things I've done really
Today we're marking calves and I had to tell him
all i'd just been a shoot away, I've a got
a got an interview and he's just.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Rolled his eyes, he'd be say, with that useless bug
of Mackay from rapid anyway, that's all right, that's all right.
But did you hurt for a bit of time after that,
because I love that shot of you when you finished
the last side of the last one. You stand up
and you take a step into you sort of lean
backwards and oh, I guess a massive range of feelings
(03:19):
and emotions.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
Yeah, I guess I definitely hurt towards the end. It was,
you know, the body had been pushed to its limits
the whole day, and it was I guess it's just
a more of a sense of relief, like you know,
we finally got to the end of the nine hours
and there's only one sheet that's got us over the line.
But it was just a yeah, like you said, a
huge range of emotions of just oh, thank god, that's
(03:43):
over and you know we've done it. You will have
achieved the goals. So yeah, but definitely the hurt probably
showed a little bit earlier on during the day. The
second run was probably the worst one.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Of the lots, but yeah, yeah, it was that where
you had a couple throwing out as well.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
The couple were thrown out in the third run, right, Yeah,
just a bit of ill disciplined on my side of things.
But the second run was we had issues with the
epon it. The drip tray had filled up and it
sort of turned off, so it had just started pumping hot.
Speaker 6 (04:17):
Air at me for half an hour.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
That's about the last thing you need.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
Hey, we are aware of the sort of the I
don't know that.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
The wider interest of people online and the fact that
the shed itself was absolutely packed, and then you've got
all those people who've got buy and it's like it's
like everybody's taking every.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Blow with you.
Speaker 7 (04:39):
You know.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
The volunteer is just huge input.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
I sort of knew the magnitude of this record, like
obviously Dad and I from the young age, we sort
of you know, looked at it as the holy grail
of Shearing records. And then the likes of Rod Sutton,
you know, been beside me the whole day and you
know he he held that record and he only beat
it by one on his day too. So like we
(05:04):
knew the record itself was massive, but the following side
of it, I probably didn't know it at the time.
More's trying to keep away from that side of it,
just to not try and you know, get it in
my head that it was. It was that big sort
of thing. But yeah, after you know, looking back at
footage and you know, the messages and stuff I've received
(05:26):
in the last week, it's oh yeah, there was a
massive you know, international following as well, not just New Zealands.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
When you got that fourth run catch, literally were a
second or so to go.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
This is a fine line between pleasure and pain.
Speaker 8 (05:41):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 6 (05:43):
At the time, I didn't really I knew it was getting.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
Close, and it wasn't until afterward, you know, sat down
for smoker and they said, oh, you're quite lucky to
get that one. And when you put it down to
the whole day and the scheme of things, you know,
that's essentially where we've beaten the record. Obviously, you know
all day to do it, but you know those fine margins,
that's where you know, that's where it sort of cross
the line.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Have you had any more thoughts about other records or
that if somebody does come along and do seven thirty
three that you'd have another crack, or is that it
is it such a big event that maybe yet you
have one decent crack at.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
It and move on.
Speaker 8 (06:22):
Ah.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
Yeah, I've always thought of opportunities, you know, if there's
another opportunity to have another A Crackitt either well pretty
much another record, then I'd be all for it. But
you know, life goes on and if things change, Yeah,
I just sort of take it as it goes with
that sort of thing, just because of the massive amounts
(06:43):
of work that goes into it physically on my behalf.
But yet, you know, all the people involved, it's yeah,
they don't. Records don't happen overnight. You know, this one
was probably thirteen fourteen months in the making, so of
organizing and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Simon, you have done over eight hundred lambs right in
a nine hour day, but.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Without the pressure of the of the record.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
How different is that mindset when you know that there's
just so much riding on and you can't just sort of,
you know, flick the hand piece off the downpipe and
walk out if you wanted to.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
You've just got to keep going.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
Yeah, it definitely changes things and the pressure of judges
and stuff like that. And after the first record to
this one, it was something I had to work on mentally,
was just try and block them out as much as
I can. Obviously, you've got to, you know, you've still
got to stick to the quality side of that. But
(07:41):
it was just, yeah, trying to work on just being
comfortable in the uncomfortable of the day. And yeah, it's
sort of hard to explain, but that was sort of
the biggest thing, was just you know, embracing it and
just let it go and you go with the day.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
You talked about pre the event, you talked about the
help you've had from the record holder Matsmith himself, and
then you had your you know, all that nutrition stuff
and massaging during the day. A lot goes into it.
Didn't if any time did you did you feel like
you were going to crack or do you always feel
like you're on top of it?
Speaker 7 (08:17):
Ah?
Speaker 5 (08:18):
Nah, that second run, I was there was a lot
running through the mind at that During that run was
when the econ switched off, which at the time I
didn't notice anything was wrong. I just thought I'm getting
pretty hot here, and you know, the body started cramping up,
and like a lot of things are running through the
mind going, you know, there's been a lot of people
(08:40):
riding on this, there's a lot of people helping me
and you know, you know, putting a lot of work,
and it was, Yeah, it's something I stood up to
change my cutter and I could feel the air blowing
on my face and I was like to the David Gordon.
He was the one standing next to me, and I
was like, man, this this thing's blowing warm mirror at me.
And he sort of just took a second register what
(09:01):
I said, and then he got someone to go and
have a look at the econ And as soon as
they fixed that, the econ started working again. And you know,
once that happened, I thought, you know, mentally, I was like, Okay,
we're back on We're back on target again, and we're away.
But yeah, at that time it was I was thinking,
if it carries on like this, I won't be able
to finish the day.
Speaker 7 (09:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Well that's see.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
That's a remarkable sort of sidebar to the whole record
attempt that I guess that not too many are aware of.
And you're that you're in. You're in a bit of
trouble and it's just the second run. So hey, simon,
we won't keep you from the old man Allen for
too long. You better go and do some work, mate,
and you keep you out there, earn your lunch and
congratulations again. Fantastic effort and you know, I suppose you
(09:44):
now do what are are you going to turn your
tention to have a bit of a crack at the
shears and everything like that World Championship year, all that
sort of stuff happening, And.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
Yeah, I definitely want to have a bit more of
a transmaram and the shows a bit more. It was,
you know, the last couple of years has been a
big focus on this record and record cheering and show
sharing are two totally different styles and that. So but
now that we've picked that off the list, we can
sort of focus a bit more on the shows and
go that way. So yeah, entered in Golden Shares with
(10:13):
the World champs this year, so I won't be trying
to be in the World team or anything like that,
but no, I've got my entry in for that, just
the Goldie Believe on the good board for that great stuff.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Simon Gos thanks very much for joining us, No awesome,
Thank you.
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At the marment, of course, is these the weight weight
loss injections that you see you know, and well is
it working and what sort of impact is it having
across all sorts of sectors. To look at this, we're
joined by RABO researchers GM Australia and New Zealand, Stephan
Vogel and.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Stephan Welcome And apparently if I'm on the.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Old weight loss this injection the gop ones of this world,
I'm contributing to a global change in eating habits.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
This is big research.
Speaker 8 (11:09):
Absolutely, Hamish, thanks for having me and happy New Year.
And what is a better time to talk about weight
loss than early January. So we all have in mind
that we're gonna go for that run and we're gonna
eat healthy and it might go overboard in a week
or two. That good intentions. So that jlp ones is
actually the easy route that we see quite a bit
(11:30):
of people in many parts of the world taking these days.
And obviously it is a US driven phenomenon there. It's
already out in the market for quite a while and
we see consumers to a level of ten twelve percent
of the population consuming it. And if you think about
a US population well over three hundred million people, that's
(11:51):
thirty million people using it. You're not using it NonStop,
so we see a bit of waves. People use it
for a few weeks and months, lose some weight, take
it off, and then after a few months when these
kilos come back, well we're going to go back on
the drugs. So you see a little bit of not
consistent views all the time. But it is one of
the big ones also for the farmer industry that they're
(12:11):
looking for to develop further because one of the hurdles
right now is obviously people need to give themselves a shot,
which isn't appealing to as many people, but lots of
them are already doing it. So the idea might be
that we might have a pill down the road that
makes it even more appealing to more people. But in
the food industry it is big trends that is changing
North American market, it's changing European market, it's changing Asian markets.
(12:35):
In Australia we're a bit of ahead of a New
Zealand even we have also here about two percent of
the population using it. And in New Zealand some of
the drugs were approved already for weight loss for a
while and then in March twenty twenty five Also, drugs
were approved for the consumers who don't get the prescription
for weight loss. But actually or sorry for diabetes is
(12:57):
what I wanted to say. Now, Actually, since marched twenty
five OLS in New Zealand, you have it for weight
loss approved and people have to pay themselves. It costs
somewhere four hundred and fifty to probably six hundred dollars
a month. But we see a rising amount of people
also in New Zealand using it.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
This is a phenomenal number. This here where those with
just at least.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
One person on what I call the JAB the injection
per household. In the US, they're grocery spending reduced by
approximately six percent within six.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Months of the adoption of this practice.
Speaker 8 (13:32):
I mean its huge, It's huge, and that's what the
food industry is preparing for because it's not only people
are spending less. And why are you spending less? Because
you are graving less, so you're eating less of those
salty chips, those sweet little treats that you pop in
on the route. But you also see that the overall
(13:52):
hunger is reduced. But as you said, it's a household phenomenon,
because imagine a dinner and one of us has a
jab and all others need to play somehow, par we're
not eating burgers, three of us and the force one
eats a healthy salad. So it's kind of as soon
as one is on, usually the diet for the whole
household changes a little bit. And that's what we see
in the grocery basket changing. So with that, if you
(14:15):
look at the grocery basket, you see some winners and
you see some losers. The calorie dense products are the losers.
The high fat content products and sugar rich products are
the losers. So talking salty chips and all these kind
of unhealthy snacks, talking sodas and sweet bakery things, they're
(14:35):
all on the heavy decline. The winners are on the
protein side. And why is that Because in not only
losing fat when you take these these weight loss drugs,
but you're also losing muscle, and to counter the muscle loss,
people need to consume more proteins. So high dairy protein
products are a bit on the winning side. Healthy fresh
(14:56):
produce are on the winning side. But overall, it is
a rend that changes the food industry around the world.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Yeah, I suppose if we were looking at very positively.
I mean, at least the winners are the good things.
Speaker 8 (15:09):
And that's kind of what actually when we did the
analysis here and with our global team, we said, it's
not bringing completely new trends. It's actually reinforcing and strengthening
some of the trends that we all know. But on
the other side, look into North America. We just seen
that the food pyramid was turned upside down by the
Health administration over there saying now that fat and meat
(15:32):
needs to be on top and the whole drain needs
to be on the bottom, which was very different up
until recently, so that the changes are not only coming
from the weight loss drugs, but in some parts of
the world also now the administration is trying to tell
people what to eat and what not to eat in
a way that is different from the past. But for
this I think the winners are on the protein side,
(15:53):
which is good. What I would have hoped for is
also that we see some of the meat really winning,
because you could say, well, chicken, beef, pork, all of
that has protein. We see it declining somewhere in that
six percent range in the studies as well, that is
the average of consumers reducing their grocery spend. So it's
not a real winner, it's not a real loser in
(16:13):
the in the mix, but obviously there's people consuming less.
There may be also consuming a little less of that beef.
So with that, I think for us in New Zealand,
it's early stages locally, but that the destination markets and
the food industry and the destination markets are changing already
rapidly and that's kind of where we also need to
keep a close eye on. And the dairy industry might
(16:34):
actually win from that if we serve the right products.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Yeah, with these injections, are people changing their buying habits,
their shopping supermarket habits because it's in keeping with what
they're told to do? Or is it the effect of it?
Is it, you know, the suppression of the appetite or
taste changes. What's actually driving that.
Speaker 8 (16:59):
Well? And I think it is really the taste changes
and also how they crave for some of the food.
So with that that, when you early said well there
is a change, actually six months later still noticeable when
people have taken the medication for the first time. Six
months later, you see it stiff. If I tell you
you need to do this very often people forget about
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it after a week and two and three. So with that,
I think it's really that the taste is changing, the
appetite is changing of those who are using the drugs,
and that's also what changes in the basket. However, obviously
also people then feel the need for more protein, so
they're deliberately moving over into that basket, and the fresh
produce is something obviously a healthy diet somehow fits into
(17:45):
that lifestyle. So that might actually be a bit of
a not only the taste where it wins, but also
the common sense when you take a jab and you think,
well maybe I should eat a little bit more of
food and veggies in my diet.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Okay, winners and losers, some negatives and positives right across
the board, Thank you very much. That is Rubber Researchers
Gem Australia at Enz Stephan Vogel with us here on
the country.
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Hamish mar finished up as our special Trade and Voys
of the Starter of this year, handing over the reins
to hod of Fena was finest, mister Nathan Guy and
of course homes Canterbury arable Farmer joins us. Now Hamish,
happy new year, house things started for you in twenty
twenty six.
Speaker 7 (18:35):
Well, happy new.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
Year to you, Hamish. Things have started out pretty well.
We've done a lot, we've we've done a little bit
of harvest. We've got plenty more to do. Big rain
coming at the weekend. We're not very excited about that,
but anyway we'll deal with it when it comes bit.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Heavier than the myths that would be okay, I understand.
Speaker 6 (18:55):
Well this is the thing, right you can't please a
farmer and everyone knows that time a year. The arable
farmers like me want hot and dry, but the other
half their operation, which is dairy, doesn't mind the rain.
So you've got foot in each camp and that's just
where farming's at too.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Yeah, absolutely it is.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
So how are you finding You've got a bit of
extra time on your plate now? And I guess it's
gonna be not that you've got a busy enough operation.
I mean, I'm not saying that you're not flat out,
but I guess now that you're not involved as the
special trade end. Boy, how's that going to change your
life in twenty six Oh well, it'll.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
Probably just change my focus a little bit back to
what we were doing before. Who knows what the future
holes and terms of roles and some pieces. But just
at the moment, Hamish, it's get our harvest out of
the way and then we'll see what happens after that.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Yeah, what are your.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Best memories of the last few years? What sort of
what do you look back on most proudly?
Speaker 6 (19:54):
Ah, hamous doubt it's when I ask what people's images
of New Zealand, and they every country I visited, in
every meeting I went to the feedback that New Zealand
is the prettiest place on earth, that the people that
we deal with from New Zealand or New Zealanders are
(20:14):
particularly good people. We're very trusted with, we're very honest,
and the product that we send off shore as a
reflection of all of those things. And when you hear
that time and time again, you know, you get that
goosebump feeling every time, very very proud to be in
New Zealander and a New Zealand farmer.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Yeah, yep, Oh that's great, isn't it. Prettiest place.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
New Zealand is good people, great product and are fantastic.
Where did you enjoy going the most? Who are who
are the best sort of contacts you made?
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (20:44):
Look, I made great contacts everywhere, Hamish and I don't
know that I could name one place. I found every
place interesting. I think if I well, China and India
probably because I hadn't been there. And I think everyone
from New Zealand at some stage in their lives should
go on holiday to both of them, because some of
(21:04):
the things we think about aren't necessarily true once you've
been through visit there. And if I if I told
you that farming is differently everywhere, but it's the same,
then that mindset opens a lot of doors for you
because the problems that we think we have here are
the problems that a lot of other people have. And
(21:25):
so what I what I found and what I had
success was trying to work out where you know, New
Zealand product fitted into the problems or the differences that
we see and some of those those things and those
realizations are probably the biggest memories for me, alongside working
with some tremendous people.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Yeah, yeah, fantasm I always used to say to myself
when I was lucky enough to sort of tour the
world with with with rugby and the all blacks and
various things, to always take the time to lickornize cream
and feel the grass between your toes. There is there
any places you were or company you were keeping that
the sort of a pinch me moment.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
Oh well, look I got to meet MP's and prime
ministers and head of farming's people. I think when I
was in India some of the places that we got
to visit at high level was was pretty impressive. But
everywhere again, just what you said about the rugby, everywhere
(22:23):
there's a story and everywhere and everywhere is good.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Yeah, fantastic.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Hey, the arable sector in general, what's the sort of
the outlook for twenty twenty six.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
Well, we're in a bit of a holding pattern in
terms of the small seed sector. I think we'll see
quiet market increase in plantings on the back of MD
warehouses the northern hemisphere, which is a good story. The
grain side of things, I can't see too much upside
in terms of price, but I can see demand probably
(22:59):
holding and maybe increasing a little bit, so a positive story,
but not quite as positive as as it needs to
be just yet yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Okay, well, fingers crossed for that.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Hamish, thank you for joining us and I hope it's
missed on the crops and rain on the dairy farm
for you this weekend.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
Much appreciated.
Speaker 6 (23:18):
Here we go, thanks Hams.
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That was Chattery, arable farmer Hamish mar there of course
former special trade and boy and the tales of his
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Great to hear those well.
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little Birdie tells me before we get into the nitty
gritty of things that as part of the sort of
your summering, your rest and relaxation, you've been doing a
bit of interesting read. Is that the case.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Have you got a few tips for a good read?
Speaker 9 (25:03):
No, I haven't because my interesting reading is mostly scientific
papers and consumer comments and reports and research and that
sort of thing. So I have had a very good
time in terms of immersion and thinking about dairy opportunities
for the future. But it has been Some people would
call it work. I call it I'm making progress, and I'm.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Making progress well.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
And in the last few weeks, what would you say
you've made progress? And any sort of hot tips for
the future.
Speaker 9 (25:34):
No, certainly looking at the trends for dairy and this
was for a book for the USA, which will be global,
but it was looking at global dairy futures and so
that was very interesting in terms of the whole people saying, gosh,
these weight loss drugs are going to put us all
out of production. Well, actually they're not, because what's happening
(25:54):
with these weight loss drugs, apart from the shock horror
health implications, is that people need more and the whole
business about protein and not the ultra processed food type stuff,
the natural and what New Zealand can provide. I think
this puts us in a very good place for the future.
And of course we did see the uptic in the
(26:15):
dairy prices already this year, which is traditional for about
this time of year, but it gives us the indication
that people want our product and that makes us all
feel good.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
How's your confidence levels and your predictions for the year
of twenty twenty six.
Speaker 10 (26:30):
Across the board, they are actually better for our global
trade than thinking about the local concerns because over the
Christmas holidays I was somewhat appalled to see dairy getting
flat again on the Canterbury.
Speaker 9 (26:45):
Planes without actually understanding that practically anything anything to do
with humans will have an impact because there are so
many of us on the Canterbury plans the most high
quality protein, indispensable amino acids or essential amino acids for
the least impact including area. So we're talking about greenhouse gases,
(27:08):
water and area come from dairy with a bit of
arable But the problem for the arrowball growers at the
moment is that they can't cover costs by growing crops,
so not the traditional crops, the high value seed crops
is a bit different. But how can we actually make
ensure that the economy survives and that the understanding of
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the role of the dairy cow actually improves. And this
interview I'm hoping will enable people to understand that the
nitrogen and they eat water on the cannory plants has
been there for a very long time, long before dairy
got there. So taking the dairy cow away does not
help hamish.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Long before the dairy cow got there.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
And your latest column is available and goes into bat
big times of the New Zealand dairy cow on this
particular front, right, Yes, yeah, although there is something about
an elephant at speed that kind of like.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
Amusement, I've eventually got it and I loved it.
Speaker 7 (28:10):
Yeah yeah, Oh well, I hope people do.
Speaker 9 (28:12):
But I certainly remember my brother who was a few
years younger than me, howling mid laughter at this particular
joke and making everybody think what oh right, rethink, and
that's what we need to do about the dairy cow.
Let's have a rethink and stop rehashing stuff that wasn't
right in the nineties. And we've got all the data,
and we've got the evidence, and we've got people well
(28:35):
landcare when it was called land care, scientists doing work
in the whitewa rapper saying, unless we understand the role
of gorse in producing nitrogen, we're going to be constraining
agriculture unnecessarily, and of course the constraint won't make any
difference to the water. So let's keep thinking what do
(28:56):
we actually want to achieve with water? Are we talking
health issues because nobody's really proved anything there. Are we
talking the little fishes the macro invertebrate index. Well, actually
that tends to be in most trouble on the coastal regions,
which is mostly to do with towns. So let's reconsider
(29:16):
what we're trying to do with beautiful New Zealand because
the tourists think it's lovely.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Yeah, oh goodness, there's so much of this sort of
I don't know, misinformation that seemed like it was a
thing and now it's not. But how do we change it.
It's like it feels like we're pushing a bit of
a proverbial uphill check all at times.
Speaker 9 (29:35):
Well, let's go back to that joke. But yes, you
need to keep going with it because of Snarks syndrome,
and every time somebody says something, it gets embedded and
some of the things that have said, when do you know?
When everybody knows something, I spend time thinking about why
do we know that? And is it actually true? And
sometimes things are measured in ways that have now been
(29:56):
improved so that we get better understanding, better techniques, better measurements,
better understanding, and we can think actually needs a complete overhaul,
and the dairy cow in New Zealand is supporting the
economy and allowing us to do all the other things
famous like education that needs well. Erica is trying to
do the overhaul or the health system and we need
(30:20):
that to be functioning at a better level. And let's
do some more investment in research and development because that's
where we get the answers.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
They try doing all that in those sectors without the
faithful dairy go right, yeah.
Speaker 9 (30:33):
We will be able to do it at all.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Yeah, Doctor Jaqueline rath As always pleasure. Thank you very
much for joining us on the country.
Speaker 9 (30:40):
Pleasure to talk with you.
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Speaker 4 (30:50):
Why Langford, sir, how are you okay? Not to read?
Speaker 7 (30:53):
You said twenty twenty six? Jee, It doesn't seem that
long since I was twenty six, And to think of
twenty twenty six, man, Man's that snuck by pretty quick?
Speaker 4 (31:02):
Yeah, it's just unbelievable, wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Why? And they just the years just fly by recently turned.
I can't even can't even quite get out. I can't
even quite get it out. And I think how fast
my first thirty years went, and then know how slowly
my first thirty and then the next thirty is sort
of but she just motors by, doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
It's quite incredible. Anyway. How's your Christmas bake bringing? How
things looking in the Golden Bay?
Speaker 7 (31:28):
It's been great. Actually, I've been had a couple of
weeks here at home on the farm, which is fantastic.
The farm's looking decent. We're just starting to dry out now,
so welcoming some rain next weekend, although hopefully not on Saturdays.
We've got the big Golden bayamp show here which is
the biggest event of the year, and we'll really look
(31:48):
forward to that, so hopefully not too much rain. But yeah,
we'll take a bit of rain.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
And we can get it.
Speaker 7 (31:52):
And Golden Boy is looking looking all right forward. It's
been so far.
Speaker 8 (31:56):
Yew.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
You've got a bit of a start to the year too,
with one of the one of the children, one of
the son off to what after Lincoln after Uni?
Speaker 7 (32:05):
Yeah, well, well we've actually got we've actually got a
bit of an empty nest going on. We've got I've
got one at Canabury Union, one at Lincoln University this
year and in my third month heading evidentally on a
student exchange. So my wife and I we've got an
empty nest which will happen pretty quick and and so
so no doubt I'll be getting out amongst the trips
a bit more to say, a few more people, and
(32:25):
probably taking my lovely wife with me to see some
of that as well, which would be good.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
If you've got any advice for the rue, the empty
nesting and rural parents who've got their kids hitting away
on things like you know, exchanges and heading off to
university and the lake.
Speaker 7 (32:40):
Oh advice, I'm probably waiting to seek some advice on
going into it. But all I can say for those
with kids on farm and stuff is enjoy it while
it lasts, because man, those last few years go pretty quick,
and exactly when you check with your girlfriends and stuff
in there and they want to spend more time with
them than they do with you, it's hard. It's hard
to get any farm work done. So so no, like SA,
(33:01):
they just enjoy well of last but it's cool to
see them, see them branching out and they're heading off
to Lincoln. That's where I went as well, so it'll
be a good time for a middle boy guardian. Not
out for sure.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Yeah, well I dropped my son off at Lincoln four
years ago and now he's working as a valuer in
Takapuna in Auckland. So it just and that was the
last time that the one and only Richard Lowe had
me to stay, so I haven't had many.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
So that's how quickly four years goes. Quite incredible.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
A Federated Farmers twenty twenty five. I mean, there are
some good results I thought around the mission targets and
the banking Inquiry IRMA and consents and what's on the
radar for twenty six what are some of the targets.
Speaker 7 (33:38):
Yeah, well I think you're probably downplaying some of those
results there, So I'm in the banking Quora is one
of the most significant being inquirers we've had in twenty
thirty years of the emission's targets. Absolutely as well, And
I say this because we've got to be careful that
we don't underestimate some of this work that's going on
and some of the work that's being done is it
is game changing for the air cultural sector and so
(33:59):
it's great see the Minister, mister maclay working on it,
the Prime Minister as well to make this happen for farmers.
But at the same time, now twenty twenty six, we've
going to lock in and get these results locked in
and make sure they actually mean something. We do still
have a few like you just brought up the how
and May. We've got the changes to the local government,
all the submissions coming in on those in February, so
a lot of the Feed's team have come back to
(34:21):
work early to get those submissions done. So again that's
I mean, that's why we pay our feeds membership writers,
so that we've got a team here in Wellington that
can that can get these submissions in for us and
get a result. So yes, it's going to be a
big year, no doubt, and looking forward to it actually
so to see what other ones we can get for farms.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
It didn't mean to down plant way, but you know
we're as farming times, we're modest by nature, you know
what I mean. I mean, I reframe it monumental wins
in twenty twenty five. That's how I'll go with it.
Speaker 7 (34:53):
I fully understand where you come from this. I guess, well,
I'm a shock on myself. So sometimes you get the
winner and you're like, oh that's good, what's next? You
know sometimes when we did have a bit of a reflection.
I remember to our last board meeting there we had
a bit of a reflection of hey, what we have
achieved this year. You know there was some good solid
junkie wins there and farmers should be really proud that
that fe Feed are representing them the best news Somershons
(35:16):
that are. The membership is starting to tick back up
and it's the first time it's done that in a
long time, and so that's great. And if you're thinking
about being a member, now this is the time to
sign up. And if you've got a reason why you're
not a member, hey, I'd love to hear it. Because
they are the probably the things that we want to
go on and battle you for as well. So that's
what it's all about. And the more we can have
on the team, the better because that gives us a
(35:38):
stronger voice when we go to represent those in paths.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Okay, election year, three years since federal Departmer's presented a
list of twelve priorities pre election and twenty three will
there be another list or another twelve priorities?
Speaker 4 (35:52):
I mean, and what would be the top of that list?
Speaker 7 (35:56):
Yeah, we are working on another list in it it's
a little bit tricky because because yeah, I still, like
I say, we are driving for results and a number
of the things that we have on the list already
have already been ticked off and and come through some
of those RMA changes as well. So we'll wait till
a bit later into the year to let our list out.
We won't be rushing into there, but but it'll be
(36:18):
focused around driving a highly performing farming business. You know,
our last manifesto was around restoring farmer confidence. Well, you know,
the results in the surveys would say that we've definitely
done that, and now how do we how do we
capitalize on that and also you know, make sure that
our businesses are thriving because I think I think New
Zealand and particularly the government is starting to pick up
(36:40):
on when we have really strong farming businesses. New Zealand
has really has a really strong performance and and so
that's what we'll be pushing for. And that's digging down
into those little things and some of these little things
that we'll be focusing on this year as feeds.
Speaker 8 (36:56):
YEP.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
Fantastic, Rode White, thank you very much for your talk.
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We spent a bit of time hand picking the best
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Hamish McKay and I've had week one of the year
as my good friend Jamie mckaye has just sort of
just summoned a little bit longer than normal.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Been a very.
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Enjoyable week coming up on the show. Well, he's a here.
We can't call him a shearer, He's a sharing machine.
Simon Goss reflects on as achievement of a world sharing
record as that all sinks in and we talked to
Rabobanks GM of RABO Research. This is this is so
interesting Stefan Vogel about how weight loss medicines, you know,
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the old jab and the tummy thing are impacting eating
patterns and people's purchasing at the supermarket. And it's quite incredible.
That's all coming up here on the best of the Country,
brought to you by a Rabobank, growing a Better New
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Rabobank last week, what a hell of a day it
was down there, and why Marino Country for one young
Simon Goss setting the world record on the full wall
used for nine hours and joins us. Now get a Simon,
how's the body? Sort of a week later?
Speaker 5 (02:27):
Yeah, the bodies, I'd say, I'm pretty much fully recovered.
Now we're feeling pretty good, actually fully refreshed.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
It's been good.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
And the old man Gossie, he's got you at working
already on the farm, but not shearing or in the
wall shehet keeping away from that.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
Yeah, I sure a couple of sheep at the tea
wood he speeds she the other night. But no, yeah,
since the record are the only things I've done really
Today we're marking calves and I had to tell him
all i'd just been a shoot away, I've a got
a got an interview and he's just.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Rolled his eyes, he'd be say, with that useless bug
of Mackay from rapid anyway, that's all right, that's all right.
But did you hurt for a bit of time after that,
because I love that shot of you when you finished
the last side of the last one. You stand up
and you take a step into you sort of lean
backwards and oh, I guess a massive range of feelings
(03:19):
and emotions.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
Yeah, I guess I definitely hurt towards the end. It was,
you know, the body had been pushed to its limits
the whole day, and it was I guess it's just
a more of a sense of relief, like you know,
we finally got to the end of the nine hours
and there's only one sheet that's got us over the line.
But it was just a yeah, like you said, a
huge range of emotions of just oh, thank god, that's
(03:43):
over and you know we've done it. You will have
achieved the goals. So yeah, but definitely the hurt probably
showed a little bit earlier on during the day. The
second run was probably the worst one.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Of the lots, but yeah, yeah, it was that where
you had a couple throwing out as well.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
The couple were thrown out in the third run, right, Yeah,
just a bit of ill disciplined on my side of things.
But the second run was we had issues with the
epon it. The drip tray had filled up and it
sort of turned off, so it had just started pumping hot.
Speaker 6 (04:17):
Air at me for half an hour.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
That's about the last thing you need.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
Hey, we are aware of the sort of the I
don't know that.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
The wider interest of people online and the fact that
the shed itself was absolutely packed, and then you've got
all those people who've got buy and it's like it's
like everybody's taking every.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Blow with you.
Speaker 7 (04:39):
You know.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
The volunteer is just huge input.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
I sort of knew the magnitude of this record, like
obviously Dad and I from the young age, we sort
of you know, looked at it as the holy grail
of Shearing records. And then the likes of Rod Sutton,
you know, been beside me the whole day and you
know he he held that record and he only beat
it by one on his day too. So like we
(05:04):
knew the record itself was massive, but the following side
of it, I probably didn't know it at the time.
More's trying to keep away from that side of it,
just to not try and you know, get it in
my head that it was. It was that big sort
of thing. But yeah, after you know, looking back at
footage and you know, the messages and stuff I've received
(05:26):
in the last week, it's oh yeah, there was a
massive you know, international following as well, not just New Zealands.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
When you got that fourth run catch, literally were a
second or so to go.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
This is a fine line between pleasure and pain.
Speaker 8 (05:41):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 6 (05:43):
At the time, I didn't really I knew it was getting.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
Close, and it wasn't until afterward, you know, sat down
for smoker and they said, oh, you're quite lucky to
get that one. And when you put it down to
the whole day and the scheme of things, you know,
that's essentially where we've beaten the record. Obviously, you know
all day to do it, but you know those fine margins,
that's where you know, that's where it sort of cross
the line.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Have you had any more thoughts about other records or
that if somebody does come along and do seven thirty
three that you'd have another crack, or is that it
is it such a big event that maybe yet you
have one decent crack at.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
It and move on.
Speaker 8 (06:22):
Ah.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
Yeah, I've always thought of opportunities, you know, if there's
another opportunity to have another A Crackitt either well pretty
much another record, then I'd be all for it. But
you know, life goes on and if things change, Yeah,
I just sort of take it as it goes with
that sort of thing, just because of the massive amounts
(06:43):
of work that goes into it physically on my behalf.
But yet, you know, all the people involved, it's yeah,
they don't. Records don't happen overnight. You know, this one
was probably thirteen fourteen months in the making, so of
organizing and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Simon, you have done over eight hundred lambs right in
a nine hour day, but.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Without the pressure of the of the record.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
How different is that mindset when you know that there's
just so much riding on and you can't just sort of,
you know, flick the hand piece off the downpipe and
walk out if you wanted to.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
You've just got to keep going.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
Yeah, it definitely changes things and the pressure of judges
and stuff like that. And after the first record to
this one, it was something I had to work on mentally,
was just try and block them out as much as
I can. Obviously, you've got to, you know, you've still
got to stick to the quality side of that. But
(07:41):
it was just, yeah, trying to work on just being
comfortable in the uncomfortable of the day. And yeah, it's
sort of hard to explain, but that was sort of
the biggest thing, was just you know, embracing it and
just let it go and you go with the day.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
You talked about pre the event, you talked about the
help you've had from the record holder Matsmith himself, and
then you had your you know, all that nutrition stuff
and massaging during the day. A lot goes into it.
Didn't if any time did you did you feel like
you were going to crack or do you always feel
like you're on top of it?
Speaker 7 (08:17):
Ah?
Speaker 5 (08:18):
Nah, that second run, I was there was a lot
running through the mind at that During that run was
when the econ switched off, which at the time I
didn't notice anything was wrong. I just thought I'm getting
pretty hot here, and you know, the body started cramping up,
and like a lot of things are running through the
mind going, you know, there's been a lot of people
(08:40):
riding on this, there's a lot of people helping me
and you know, you know, putting a lot of work,
and it was, Yeah, it's something I stood up to
change my cutter and I could feel the air blowing
on my face and I was like to the David Gordon.
He was the one standing next to me, and I
was like, man, this this thing's blowing warm mirror at me.
And he sort of just took a second register what
(09:01):
I said, and then he got someone to go and
have a look at the econ And as soon as
they fixed that, the econ started working again. And you know,
once that happened, I thought, you know, mentally, I was like, Okay,
we're back on We're back on target again, and we're away.
But yeah, at that time it was I was thinking,
if it carries on like this, I won't be able
to finish the day.
Speaker 7 (09:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Well that's see.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
That's a remarkable sort of sidebar to the whole record
attempt that I guess that not too many are aware of.
And you're that you're in. You're in a bit of
trouble and it's just the second run. So hey, simon,
we won't keep you from the old man Allen for
too long. You better go and do some work, mate,
and you keep you out there, earn your lunch and
congratulations again. Fantastic effort and you know, I suppose you
(09:44):
now do what are are you going to turn your
tention to have a bit of a crack at the
shears and everything like that World Championship year, all that
sort of stuff happening, And.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
Yeah, I definitely want to have a bit more of
a transmaram and the shows a bit more. It was,
you know, the last couple of years has been a
big focus on this record and record cheering and show
sharing are two totally different styles and that. So but
now that we've picked that off the list, we can
sort of focus a bit more on the shows and
go that way. So yeah, entered in Golden Shares with
(10:13):
the World champs this year, so I won't be trying
to be in the World team or anything like that,
but no, I've got my entry in for that, just
the Goldie Believe on the good board for that great stuff.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Simon Gos thanks very much for joining us, No awesome,
Thank you.
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Rubber Bank very topical in New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
At the marment, of course, is these the weight weight
loss injections that you see you know, and well is
it working and what sort of impact is it having
across all sorts of sectors. To look at this, we're
joined by RABO researchers GM Australia and New Zealand, Stephan
Vogel and.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Stephan Welcome And apparently if I'm on the.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Old weight loss this injection the gop ones of this world,
I'm contributing to a global change in eating habits.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
This is big research.
Speaker 8 (11:09):
Absolutely, Hamish, thanks for having me and happy New Year.
And what is a better time to talk about weight
loss than early January. So we all have in mind
that we're gonna go for that run and we're gonna
eat healthy and it might go overboard in a week
or two. That good intentions. So that jlp ones is
actually the easy route that we see quite a bit
(11:30):
of people in many parts of the world taking these days.
And obviously it is a US driven phenomenon there. It's
already out in the market for quite a while and
we see consumers to a level of ten twelve percent
of the population consuming it. And if you think about
a US population well over three hundred million people, that's
(11:51):
thirty million people using it. You're not using it NonStop,
so we see a bit of waves. People use it
for a few weeks and months, lose some weight, take
it off, and then after a few months when these
kilos come back, well we're going to go back on
the drugs. So you see a little bit of not
consistent views all the time. But it is one of
the big ones also for the farmer industry that they're
(12:11):
looking for to develop further because one of the hurdles
right now is obviously people need to give themselves a shot,
which isn't appealing to as many people, but lots of
them are already doing it. So the idea might be
that we might have a pill down the road that
makes it even more appealing to more people. But in
the food industry it is big trends that is changing
North American market, it's changing European market, it's changing Asian markets.
(12:35):
In Australia we're a bit of ahead of a New
Zealand even we have also here about two percent of
the population using it. And in New Zealand some of
the drugs were approved already for weight loss for a
while and then in March twenty twenty five Also, drugs
were approved for the consumers who don't get the prescription
for weight loss. But actually or sorry for diabetes is
(12:57):
what I wanted to say. Now, Actually, since marched twenty
five OLS in New Zealand, you have it for weight
loss approved and people have to pay themselves. It costs
somewhere four hundred and fifty to probably six hundred dollars
a month. But we see a rising amount of people
also in New Zealand using it.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
This is a phenomenal number. This here where those with
just at least.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
One person on what I call the JAB the injection
per household. In the US, they're grocery spending reduced by
approximately six percent within six.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Months of the adoption of this practice.
Speaker 8 (13:32):
I mean its huge, It's huge, and that's what the
food industry is preparing for because it's not only people
are spending less. And why are you spending less? Because
you are graving less, so you're eating less of those
salty chips, those sweet little treats that you pop in
on the route. But you also see that the overall
(13:52):
hunger is reduced. But as you said, it's a household phenomenon,
because imagine a dinner and one of us has a
jab and all others need to play somehow, par we're
not eating burgers, three of us and the force one
eats a healthy salad. So it's kind of as soon
as one is on, usually the diet for the whole
household changes a little bit. And that's what we see
in the grocery basket changing. So with that, if you
(14:15):
look at the grocery basket, you see some winners and
you see some losers. The calorie dense products are the losers.
The high fat content products and sugar rich products are
the losers. So talking salty chips and all these kind
of unhealthy snacks, talking sodas and sweet bakery things, they're
(14:35):
all on the heavy decline. The winners are on the
protein side. And why is that Because in not only
losing fat when you take these these weight loss drugs,
but you're also losing muscle, and to counter the muscle loss,
people need to consume more proteins. So high dairy protein
products are a bit on the winning side. Healthy fresh
(14:56):
produce are on the winning side. But overall, it is
a rend that changes the food industry around the world.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Yeah, I suppose if we were looking at very positively.
I mean, at least the winners are the good things.
Speaker 8 (15:09):
And that's kind of what actually when we did the
analysis here and with our global team, we said, it's
not bringing completely new trends. It's actually reinforcing and strengthening
some of the trends that we all know. But on
the other side, look into North America. We just seen
that the food pyramid was turned upside down by the
Health administration over there saying now that fat and meat
(15:32):
needs to be on top and the whole drain needs
to be on the bottom, which was very different up
until recently, so that the changes are not only coming
from the weight loss drugs, but in some parts of
the world also now the administration is trying to tell
people what to eat and what not to eat in
a way that is different from the past. But for
this I think the winners are on the protein side,
(15:53):
which is good. What I would have hoped for is
also that we see some of the meat really winning,
because you could say, well, chicken, beef, pork, all of
that has protein. We see it declining somewhere in that
six percent range in the studies as well, that is
the average of consumers reducing their grocery spend. So it's
not a real winner, it's not a real loser in
(16:13):
the in the mix, but obviously there's people consuming less.
There may be also consuming a little less of that beef.
So with that, I think for us in New Zealand,
it's early stages locally, but that the destination markets and
the food industry and the destination markets are changing already
rapidly and that's kind of where we also need to
keep a close eye on. And the dairy industry might
(16:34):
actually win from that if we serve the right products.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Yeah, with these injections, are people changing their buying habits,
their shopping supermarket habits because it's in keeping with what
they're told to do? Or is it the effect of it?
Is it, you know, the suppression of the appetite or
taste changes. What's actually driving that.
Speaker 8 (16:59):
Well? And I think it is really the taste changes
and also how they crave for some of the food.
So with that that, when you early said well there
is a change, actually six months later still noticeable when
people have taken the medication for the first time. Six
months later, you see it stiff. If I tell you
you need to do this very often people forget about
(17:21):
it after a week and two and three. So with that,
I think it's really that the taste is changing, the
appetite is changing of those who are using the drugs,
and that's also what changes in the basket. However, obviously
also people then feel the need for more protein, so
they're deliberately moving over into that basket, and the fresh
produce is something obviously a healthy diet somehow fits into
(17:45):
that lifestyle. So that might actually be a bit of
a not only the taste where it wins, but also
the common sense when you take a jab and you think,
well maybe I should eat a little bit more of
food and veggies in my diet.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
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the board, Thank you very much. That is Rubber Researchers
Gem Australia at Enz Stephan Vogel with us here on
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Hamish mar finished up as our special Trade and Voys
of the Starter of this year, handing over the reins
to hod of Fena was finest, mister Nathan Guy and
of course homes Canterbury arable Farmer joins us. Now Hamish,
happy new year, house things started for you in twenty
twenty six.
Speaker 7 (18:35):
Well, happy new.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
Year to you, Hamish. Things have started out pretty well.
We've done a lot, we've we've done a little bit
of harvest. We've got plenty more to do. Big rain
coming at the weekend. We're not very excited about that,
but anyway we'll deal with it when it comes bit.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Heavier than the myths that would be okay, I understand.
Speaker 6 (18:55):
Well this is the thing, right you can't please a
farmer and everyone knows that time a year. The arable
farmers like me want hot and dry, but the other
half their operation, which is dairy, doesn't mind the rain.
So you've got foot in each camp and that's just
where farming's at too.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Yeah, absolutely it is.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
So how are you finding You've got a bit of
extra time on your plate now? And I guess it's
gonna be not that you've got a busy enough operation.
I mean, I'm not saying that you're not flat out,
but I guess now that you're not involved as the
special trade end. Boy, how's that going to change your
life in twenty six Oh well, it'll.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
Probably just change my focus a little bit back to
what we were doing before. Who knows what the future
holes and terms of roles and some pieces. But just
at the moment, Hamish, it's get our harvest out of
the way and then we'll see what happens after that.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Yeah, what are your.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Best memories of the last few years? What sort of
what do you look back on most proudly?
Speaker 6 (19:54):
Ah, hamous doubt it's when I ask what people's images
of New Zealand, and they every country I visited, in
every meeting I went to the feedback that New Zealand
is the prettiest place on earth, that the people that
we deal with from New Zealand or New Zealanders are
(20:14):
particularly good people. We're very trusted with, we're very honest,
and the product that we send off shore as a
reflection of all of those things. And when you hear
that time and time again, you know, you get that
goosebump feeling every time, very very proud to be in
New Zealander and a New Zealand farmer.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Yeah, yep, Oh that's great, isn't it. Prettiest place.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
New Zealand is good people, great product and are fantastic.
Where did you enjoy going the most? Who are who
are the best sort of contacts you made?
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (20:44):
Look, I made great contacts everywhere, Hamish and I don't
know that I could name one place. I found every
place interesting. I think if I well, China and India
probably because I hadn't been there. And I think everyone
from New Zealand at some stage in their lives should
go on holiday to both of them, because some of
(21:04):
the things we think about aren't necessarily true once you've
been through visit there. And if I if I told
you that farming is differently everywhere, but it's the same,
then that mindset opens a lot of doors for you
because the problems that we think we have here are
the problems that a lot of other people have. And
(21:25):
so what I what I found and what I had
success was trying to work out where you know, New
Zealand product fitted into the problems or the differences that
we see and some of those those things and those
realizations are probably the biggest memories for me, alongside working
with some tremendous people.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Yeah, yeah, fantasm I always used to say to myself
when I was lucky enough to sort of tour the
world with with with rugby and the all blacks and
various things, to always take the time to lickornize cream
and feel the grass between your toes. There is there
any places you were or company you were keeping that
the sort of a pinch me moment.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
Oh well, look I got to meet MP's and prime
ministers and head of farming's people. I think when I
was in India some of the places that we got
to visit at high level was was pretty impressive. But
everywhere again, just what you said about the rugby, everywhere
(22:23):
there's a story and everywhere and everywhere is good.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Yeah, fantastic.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Hey, the arable sector in general, what's the sort of
the outlook for twenty twenty six.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
Well, we're in a bit of a holding pattern in
terms of the small seed sector. I think we'll see
quiet market increase in plantings on the back of MD
warehouses the northern hemisphere, which is a good story. The
grain side of things, I can't see too much upside
in terms of price, but I can see demand probably
(22:59):
holding and maybe increasing a little bit, so a positive story,
but not quite as positive as as it needs to
be just yet yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Okay, well, fingers crossed for that.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Hamish, thank you for joining us and I hope it's
missed on the crops and rain on the dairy farm
for you this weekend.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
Much appreciated.
Speaker 6 (23:18):
Here we go, thanks Hams.
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Bank joining us now Dr Jaqueline Rowath and Chaquil a
little Birdie tells me before we get into the nitty
gritty of things that as part of the sort of
your summering, your rest and relaxation, you've been doing a
bit of interesting read. Is that the case.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Have you got a few tips for a good read?
Speaker 9 (25:03):
No, I haven't because my interesting reading is mostly scientific
papers and consumer comments and reports and research and that
sort of thing. So I have had a very good
time in terms of immersion and thinking about dairy opportunities
for the future. But it has been Some people would
call it work. I call it I'm making progress, and I'm.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Making progress well.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
And in the last few weeks, what would you say
you've made progress? And any sort of hot tips for
the future.
Speaker 9 (25:34):
No, certainly looking at the trends for dairy and this
was for a book for the USA, which will be global,
but it was looking at global dairy futures and so
that was very interesting in terms of the whole people saying, gosh,
these weight loss drugs are going to put us all
out of production. Well, actually they're not, because what's happening
(25:54):
with these weight loss drugs, apart from the shock horror
health implications, is that people need more and the whole
business about protein and not the ultra processed food type stuff,
the natural and what New Zealand can provide. I think
this puts us in a very good place for the future.
And of course we did see the uptic in the
(26:15):
dairy prices already this year, which is traditional for about
this time of year, but it gives us the indication
that people want our product and that makes us all
feel good.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
How's your confidence levels and your predictions for the year
of twenty twenty six.
Speaker 10 (26:30):
Across the board, they are actually better for our global
trade than thinking about the local concerns because over the
Christmas holidays I was somewhat appalled to see dairy getting
flat again on the Canterbury.
Speaker 9 (26:45):
Planes without actually understanding that practically anything anything to do
with humans will have an impact because there are so
many of us on the Canterbury plans the most high
quality protein, indispensable amino acids or essential amino acids for
the least impact including area. So we're talking about greenhouse gases,
(27:08):
water and area come from dairy with a bit of
arable But the problem for the arrowball growers at the
moment is that they can't cover costs by growing crops,
so not the traditional crops, the high value seed crops
is a bit different. But how can we actually make
ensure that the economy survives and that the understanding of
(27:32):
the role of the dairy cow actually improves. And this
interview I'm hoping will enable people to understand that the
nitrogen and they eat water on the cannory plants has
been there for a very long time, long before dairy
got there. So taking the dairy cow away does not
help hamish.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Long before the dairy cow got there.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
And your latest column is available and goes into bat
big times of the New Zealand dairy cow on this
particular front, right, Yes, yeah, although there is something about
an elephant at speed that kind of like.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
Amusement, I've eventually got it and I loved it.
Speaker 7 (28:10):
Yeah yeah, Oh well, I hope people do.
Speaker 9 (28:12):
But I certainly remember my brother who was a few
years younger than me, howling mid laughter at this particular
joke and making everybody think what oh right, rethink, and
that's what we need to do about the dairy cow.
Let's have a rethink and stop rehashing stuff that wasn't
right in the nineties. And we've got all the data,
and we've got the evidence, and we've got people well
(28:35):
landcare when it was called land care, scientists doing work
in the whitewa rapper saying, unless we understand the role
of gorse in producing nitrogen, we're going to be constraining
agriculture unnecessarily, and of course the constraint won't make any
difference to the water. So let's keep thinking what do
(28:56):
we actually want to achieve with water? Are we talking
health issues because nobody's really proved anything there. Are we
talking the little fishes the macro invertebrate index. Well, actually
that tends to be in most trouble on the coastal regions,
which is mostly to do with towns. So let's reconsider
(29:16):
what we're trying to do with beautiful New Zealand because
the tourists think it's lovely.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Yeah, oh goodness, there's so much of this sort of
I don't know, misinformation that seemed like it was a
thing and now it's not. But how do we change it.
It's like it feels like we're pushing a bit of
a proverbial uphill check all at times.
Speaker 9 (29:35):
Well, let's go back to that joke. But yes, you
need to keep going with it because of Snarks syndrome,
and every time somebody says something, it gets embedded and
some of the things that have said, when do you know?
When everybody knows something, I spend time thinking about why
do we know that? And is it actually true? And
sometimes things are measured in ways that have now been
(29:56):
improved so that we get better understanding, better techniques, better measurements,
better understanding, and we can think actually needs a complete overhaul,
and the dairy cow in New Zealand is supporting the
economy and allowing us to do all the other things
famous like education that needs well. Erica is trying to
do the overhaul or the health system and we need
(30:20):
that to be functioning at a better level. And let's
do some more investment in research and development because that's
where we get the answers.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
They try doing all that in those sectors without the
faithful dairy go right, yeah.
Speaker 9 (30:33):
We will be able to do it at all.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Yeah, Doctor Jaqueline rath As always pleasure. Thank you very
much for joining us on the country.
Speaker 9 (30:40):
Pleasure to talk with you.
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Speaker 4 (30:50):
Why Langford, sir, how are you okay? Not to read?
Speaker 7 (30:53):
You said twenty twenty six? Jee, It doesn't seem that
long since I was twenty six, And to think of
twenty twenty six, man, Man's that snuck by pretty quick?
Speaker 4 (31:02):
Yeah, it's just unbelievable, wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Why? And they just the years just fly by recently turned.
I can't even can't even quite get out. I can't
even quite get it out. And I think how fast
my first thirty years went, and then know how slowly
my first thirty and then the next thirty is sort
of but she just motors by, doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
It's quite incredible. Anyway. How's your Christmas bake bringing? How
things looking in the Golden Bay?
Speaker 7 (31:28):
It's been great. Actually, I've been had a couple of
weeks here at home on the farm, which is fantastic.
The farm's looking decent. We're just starting to dry out now,
so welcoming some rain next weekend, although hopefully not on Saturdays.
We've got the big Golden bayamp show here which is
the biggest event of the year, and we'll really look
(31:48):
forward to that, so hopefully not too much rain. But yeah,
we'll take a bit of rain.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
And we can get it.
Speaker 7 (31:52):
And Golden Boy is looking looking all right forward. It's
been so far.
Speaker 8 (31:56):
Yew.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
You've got a bit of a start to the year too,
with one of the one of the children, one of
the son off to what after Lincoln after Uni?
Speaker 7 (32:05):
Yeah, well, well we've actually got we've actually got a
bit of an empty nest going on. We've got I've
got one at Canabury Union, one at Lincoln University this
year and in my third month heading evidentally on a
student exchange. So my wife and I we've got an
empty nest which will happen pretty quick and and so
so no doubt I'll be getting out amongst the trips
a bit more to say, a few more people, and
(32:25):
probably taking my lovely wife with me to see some
of that as well, which would be good.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
If you've got any advice for the rue, the empty
nesting and rural parents who've got their kids hitting away
on things like you know, exchanges and heading off to
university and the lake.
Speaker 7 (32:40):
Oh advice, I'm probably waiting to seek some advice on
going into it. But all I can say for those
with kids on farm and stuff is enjoy it while
it lasts, because man, those last few years go pretty quick,
and exactly when you check with your girlfriends and stuff
in there and they want to spend more time with
them than they do with you, it's hard. It's hard
to get any farm work done. So so no, like SA,
(33:01):
they just enjoy well of last but it's cool to
see them, see them branching out and they're heading off
to Lincoln. That's where I went as well, so it'll
be a good time for a middle boy guardian. Not
out for sure.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Yeah, well I dropped my son off at Lincoln four
years ago and now he's working as a valuer in
Takapuna in Auckland. So it just and that was the
last time that the one and only Richard Lowe had
me to stay, so I haven't had many.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
So that's how quickly four years goes. Quite incredible.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
A Federated Farmers twenty twenty five. I mean, there are
some good results I thought around the mission targets and
the banking Inquiry IRMA and consents and what's on the
radar for twenty six what are some of the targets.
Speaker 7 (33:38):
Yeah, well I think you're probably downplaying some of those
results there, So I'm in the banking Quora is one
of the most significant being inquirers we've had in twenty
thirty years of the emission's targets. Absolutely as well, And
I say this because we've got to be careful that
we don't underestimate some of this work that's going on
and some of the work that's being done is it
is game changing for the air cultural sector and so
(33:59):
it's great see the Minister, mister maclay working on it,
the Prime Minister as well to make this happen for farmers.
But at the same time, now twenty twenty six, we've
going to lock in and get these results locked in
and make sure they actually mean something. We do still
have a few like you just brought up the how
and May. We've got the changes to the local government,
all the submissions coming in on those in February, so
a lot of the Feed's team have come back to
(34:21):
work early to get those submissions done. So again that's
I mean, that's why we pay our feeds membership writers,
so that we've got a team here in Wellington that
can that can get these submissions in for us and
get a result. So yes, it's going to be a
big year, no doubt, and looking forward to it actually
so to see what other ones we can get for farms.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
It didn't mean to down plant way, but you know
we're as farming times, we're modest by nature, you know
what I mean. I mean, I reframe it monumental wins
in twenty twenty five. That's how I'll go with it.
Speaker 7 (34:53):
I fully understand where you come from this. I guess, well,
I'm a shock on myself. So sometimes you get the
winner and you're like, oh that's good, what's next? You
know sometimes when we did have a bit of a reflection.
I remember to our last board meeting there we had
a bit of a reflection of hey, what we have
achieved this year. You know there was some good solid
junkie wins there and farmers should be really proud that
that fe Feed are representing them the best news Somershons
(35:16):
that are. The membership is starting to tick back up
and it's the first time it's done that in a
long time, and so that's great. And if you're thinking
about being a member, now this is the time to
sign up. And if you've got a reason why you're
not a member, hey, I'd love to hear it. Because
they are the probably the things that we want to
go on and battle you for as well. So that's
what it's all about. And the more we can have
on the team, the better because that gives us a
(35:38):
stronger voice when we go to represent those in paths.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Okay, election year, three years since federal Departmer's presented a
list of twelve priorities pre election and twenty three will
there be another list or another twelve priorities?
Speaker 4 (35:52):
I mean, and what would be the top of that list?
Speaker 7 (35:56):
Yeah, we are working on another list in it it's
a little bit tricky because because yeah, I still, like
I say, we are driving for results and a number
of the things that we have on the list already
have already been ticked off and and come through some
of those RMA changes as well. So we'll wait till
a bit later into the year to let our list out.
We won't be rushing into there, but but it'll be
(36:18):
focused around driving a highly performing farming business. You know,
our last manifesto was around restoring farmer confidence. Well, you know,
the results in the surveys would say that we've definitely
done that, and now how do we how do we
capitalize on that and also you know, make sure that
our businesses are thriving because I think I think New
Zealand and particularly the government is starting to pick up
(36:40):
on when we have really strong farming businesses. New Zealand
has really has a really strong performance and and so
that's what we'll be pushing for. And that's digging down
into those little things and some of these little things
that we'll be focusing on this year as feeds.
Speaker 8 (36:56):
YEP.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
Fantastic, Rode White, thank you very much for your talk.
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Speaker 3 (37:42):
Great to have your company and great to have been
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Speaker 4 (37:51):
He's back after having just a few extra days. Jamie.
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You know he's heard it over the years, hasn't. He'll
be back in full of beans on Monday. Thank you
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