July 18, 2025 • 40 mins
Jamie Mackay talks to Damien O'Connor, Derek Daniell, Christopher Luxon, Bruce Weir and Amber Brador, and Winston Peters.
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(00:38):
Let's get straight into it, should I say? Damian O'Connor
on the devastating flooding in his home patch, Derek Daniel,
one of the countries leading sheep farmers, Christopher Luxen. We
announced the winners of the twenty twenty five Rabobank Good
Deeds Competition five thousand dollars cash plus a day's labor
from the team at Rabobank, and were going to wrap
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it with my favorite interview of the week, Winston Peters.
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Speaker 4 (01:21):
Damien, I kind of joins us to kick off the show, Damien,
West Coast Tasman. You're old electorate. It's truly tragic what's
happened there. Have you had a good look around it.
Speaker 6 (01:32):
Yes, I've been up a couple of times and spent
a number of days as best I could get around.
Of course, after the first event went up and had
a look down the Moneraca Valley, had to sneak in
around a few roads, but respectful of the road closures,
of course, but they did let me through a couple
of them just to talk to people. You know, rivers,
huge amount of gravel coming down, rivers that had just
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gone through the stock banks, and you know, people hadn't
seen anything like that. It was the first event, and
indeed in some areas, the Motte Valley in particular, it
was worse the other day, and so it's pretty hard
on people, you know, through their homes, you know, literally
washing away fences, washing away land, hammering some of these
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areas of orchard one peer orchard there with a lot
of infrastructure framing, you know, the very best of technology
just getting hammered by the water. So a big chockol
round for everyone. They kind of sick of it and
everything saturated, and it's going to take quite some time,
and there will be expectations, I guess of government stepping
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up here. It's not just roading, but actually it's hammered
people in a way that none of them could have
prepared for.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Mind you, the government can't afford to keep on paying
for every natural disaster. We have as much sympathy as
we have for the good folk in your electorate. It's
not the first time, and it definitely won't be the last.
People going to get hung out eventually to dry. No
bad pun intended by the insurance industry.
Speaker 7 (03:01):
Over these, no doubt.
Speaker 6 (03:04):
And there'll be some people affected by this last event,
at the last two events that aren't insured at all,
and for them it's a tragic. If you come back
to the point, and I know there's some discussion about it,
you know, what should people expect EQC. You know it
has its limits, councils may have approved, you know, building
in certain areas. You know, what should people expect by
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way of protection through flood banks or stop banks. These
are all quite complex issues and there is I think
an expectation from people who buy a place you look
at the limb. You sometimes have to look at the
local plan to work out whether you're in a high
risk area, whether there's something on the limb and indeed,
you know, if it's been approved, and if it has
been approved, then I think there is some obligation back
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on central and local government and it might mean that
they just got to be a bit more careful before
they kind of rush out and sign off on everything.
And actually that runs you know, completely the countrary to
what the present government is saying about, you know, we'll
just leave it to the market, take off the regulations
and just go for it. Unfortunately, that might mean down
the track that you're you know, you're left high.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
And DRYE have we got it badly wrong when it
comes to extract and gravel from some of these rivers.
That's a common complaint I hear from farmers.
Speaker 6 (04:19):
Yes we have. You know, New Zealander is basically rising
up out of the ocean. We're being washed down out
to sea, you know. And what I hear is, of
course you've got to let the natural river flow, but
it's within stopbanks often and so the minute you put
an intervention in place, then you've got to you know,
there are actions and reactions, and you've got to follow
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that up. And the gravel the hills are being washed down.
There is more gravel in the vast majority of rivers,
and taking some out won't prevent some of these events,
but a stitch in time saves nine. And there are many, many,
many examples in Tasman in particular, where people have usk
for sensible extraction they haven't been allowed and now they
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get pretty pissed off. Look, that extraction wouldn't have stopped
the flooding, but you know, it's a good bit of
public relations, and it's sensible that we do what we
can when we can.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Absolutely adaptation versus mitigation. Do we just have to learn
to live with these climate events?
Speaker 6 (05:21):
Well, a bit of both. So if we end up
at three degrees increase in global warming, it's going to
be disastrous. And so we do have to do what
we can to reduce global warming, and that's an international effort.
If you read some of the reports, they are quite
scary when it comes to ice caps and the poles,
and you know, these kind of acute events which we
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were warned about many years ago are likely to be
more frequent and so we have to do a bit
of both. We can't just give up and say there's
nothing we can do and we'll just have to mitigate,
you know, and adapt. We really have to try and
reduce our few and global warming in sensible ways, which
is effectively more efficient use of hydrocarbons. And then we're
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going to have to be very careful where we build,
how we build, and you know what materials we build with.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
We can't finish this chat, dam Man, without arguing about something.
Maybe we can argue about climate change and the root
cause of it all Man burning fossil fuels rather than
ruminants emitting methane because their numbers haven't increased, Will that
get a bite?
Speaker 6 (06:28):
Well, I'm not sure. You know, we certainly had a
few more dairy house and animals in New Zealand was
here then we're here probably two hundred and fifty years ago,
so you know we have contributed. We've chopped down quite
a bit of bush if you might have noticed. And
I guess the question is should we all make an
effort to do what we can or should we just
give up and say, well, it's up to China In
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the US, Look, you know, the top ninety countries of
ninety countries that produce, you know, relatively small amounts, you know,
add up to about thirty percent of global warming. And
so if we all do our bit, then we'll make
some progress. And it's not just cows, it's not just transport,
it's all of those things. Let's see what we can do.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Ah, I sort of feel disappointed.
Speaker 6 (07:13):
So well the listeners. I'm sure I think they appreciated healthy,
robust debate, and I hope that people can respectfully have
that out around the community. Farming community in particular. You
don't like getting into an argument with your neighbor, but
if it's about something worthwhile and you do it respectfully,
then it's going to be productive.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
With your Irish background and heritage, you're not happy unless
you have an argument anyhow.
Speaker 6 (07:37):
Well, that's exactly that's why the Irish, you know, some
of the best educated people in the world. You know,
one of the oldest universities in the world because they've
been doing it for a long time and I'm proud
of that heritage.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Damien. He kind of thanks for your time, Sammy.
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Speaker 4 (08:00):
I enjoy picking the brain of this man, because he's
got a very good one. Derek Daniel. Why a rapp
a sheep breeder from the Whyrary stud Derek. I want
to talk about Nordies and Brazilians a wee bit later,
but I want to start if I can, with carbon farming,
because you and I are both hot under the colar
about this one. Federated Farmers over the weekend or this
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morning put out a report saying fifteen thousand hectares of
productive land food growing land has gone to trees since
the government announcement descend before of last year. Look, I
reckon was shutting the stable door here after the horse
has bolted. What do you think?
Speaker 7 (08:38):
Yeah, you're so right. No one and the public service
wants to count up how much land has gone into
trees in the last five or six years, because it's
been not only farmed whole farm sold into trees, but
also lots of trees planted on existing farms. And why
wouldn't you, I mean, this is social welfare in another sense.
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Your plant trees go to the beach and pull an income.
It's totally unproductive as far as the country's concerned. And
I find an alarming jam. Just yesterday, I've got a
quote on some trees to log and the returns were pitiful.
And so what we're going to see very soon is
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any trees planted since nineteen ninety will not be logged.
And the whole export industry, which has been getting six
symbillion a year for New Zealand, that's going to start
falling away. It's not going to be pretty.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Derek Daniel, I worry that in twenty to thirty years
in this country. It may not affect you and I,
but we're going to be up for an ecological disaster.
We are going to be California all over again with
wildfires as a result of these unkempt and unkempt forests.
As you say, this is not production forestry that has
been managed properly. This is pines that have been planted
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as thickly as possible to get as many carbon credits
as possible.
Speaker 7 (10:04):
Yeah, look, I totally agree. Right round my farm boundary
at Werry, seventeen hundred hectares has been planted in the
last two winters, and yeah, we're going to be an
oasis of pasture in the middle of all of that.
Those previous country had been planted in trees or was
made a bush or scrub around. And the likelihood of fire,
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as you say, is just lifting all the time as
our average temperatures. Look down at Ohao, Look in the
Nelson area, there's been some pretty dramatic fires on the
porthills in christ Church. It's not a great future to
look forward to it all.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
And I think the other problem facing production forestry is
the slash issue. And like you, it's a six or
seven billion dollar industry. We can't afford to let it slip.
But I think socially there's going to be a lot
more pressure on forestry companies to get rid of the
slash or do something with it. So we don't get
what is happening in Nelson, Tasman at the moment that
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will make production forestry I worry totally uneconomic.
Speaker 7 (11:11):
I think you're right. I've been thinking that if the
slash that lands in Tollerger Bay landed in Devonport at Takapuna,
that would have been a big change already, and it's
going to make production forestry even less economic, especially for
the land owner. Yeah, it's just crippling. We've allowed inflation
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to take costs up within New Zealand, whereas our biggest
trading partner, China, they've kept a dampner on inflation, wages, salaries,
and they have a huge trade service. We have the
worst trade surplus deficit in the OECD. I mean we
are crippled at the moment. The government is borrowing more
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than a million dollars an hour to prop up and
unsustained economy. Where are we going with all of this?
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Okay, let's move on from carbon farming and forestry to
sheep farming. Your area of expertise. You've been breeding sheep now, Derek, Well,
it goes back a generation before you or does it
go back two generations before you? At why rary?
Speaker 6 (12:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (12:17):
Two generations. My grandfather started a register start in nineteen
twenty nine, what's there ninety six years ago? And then
then my father branched out into performance recording on hill
Country almost sixty years ago, So that's the base.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Do you think your grandfather and father will be rolling
in their graves at the thought of you producing and
breeding sheep that don't produce wool because y Rary is
famous for its romney sheep and there of course a
dual purpose breed, very good wall producers. You're producing things
called Nerdies and Brazilians. That's slightly rude.
Speaker 7 (12:54):
Derek, Yeah, well, you know you've got to have a
trademark that's memorable. But I have pot neither. Camp. I
am still very hopeful that this deconstruction of wool which
will produce not only a power that's suitable as a
pigment carrier, but also you can make cellophane similar to
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cellophane for food packaging out of this. I'm very hopeful
that in the short to medium term we're going to
see a change in how wool is used and that
will come back to much greater returns for wool on farm.
In the meantime, though, there's no doubt that if you
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can run sheep that don't have the hassles of wool,
you can run with a lot less labor content, just
like mini cattle. And you can do other things with
your time. You can do other things, maybe with a
shepherd's house, and you can reduce the cost of production
very significantly.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
A dual purpose sheep like the Romney now outmoded. Ay.
Have they been overtaken by composite and exotics?
Speaker 7 (14:01):
No, no, absolutely not. Farmers may go out and breed
to composites, but they end up coming back to Romney
because Romney provides the constitution, structural soundness that they need.
When you breed out to other breeds, you gradually lose
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that hybrid vigor and you need to stabilize with the Romney.
Romney is the bedrock of the New Zealand sheep industry.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
You've been a visionary all your life. What's the future
for sheep farming in New Zealand?
Speaker 7 (14:40):
Yeah, very good question. Right. I see two major challenges
right at the moment. The first one is to get
big money back into wool. The second is we have
an issue with internal parasites and we're finding ways to
manage that as we go along. I mean, it's the
same as herbicides with wheat or maize or whatever. It's
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something that farmers are having to deal with intensive cattle
finishes with young cattle face the same issues with internal parasites.
We'll find a way around it, but they are the
two big challenges to my mind. And I'm hoping Jamie
that we can get big money back into wool. Sheep
farming will suddenly be flavor of the decade.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Well, I hope you're right. Could it be overtaken by
beef farming, because the prospects, the prospects for beef, especially
over the next two to three years short to medium term,
are pretty good, perhaps better than lamb, certainly better than wool.
Speaker 7 (15:40):
Oh yeah, yeah, no, I have to agree with you,
but there's not many soils in New Zealand that can
take one hundred percent beef cattle, especially when you get
a wet winter. Might go fine for one or two
seasons and then you face a soggy winter and lots
of damages done was pugging and so on. So that's
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why most hill country farms in New Zealand acts here
seventy percent sheep, sometimes down to forty to fifty percent.
Places like Disbon free of draining soils, but there's always
going to be a place for sheep.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Derek Daniel, out of the wire Rapper, why rarely stud
Thanks for some of your time today and I'm pleased
to hear that you guys and the wire Rapper have
missed out on some of that terrible weather that's at
the top of the South Island. Thanks for your time, Derek.
Speaker 7 (16:32):
Yeah, thank you, Jamie both for now.
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Wednesdays on the Country, the PM kicks off the show.
I hope he enjoyed his week's break because they only
think he has two weeks holiday for the entire year.
Keep working hard, Prime Minister. The country desperately needs it. Hey, listen,
you said the government won't be able to keep on
bailing out flooded homeowners. Where do you draw a line
in the sand. And will the Tasman district be hung
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out to dry?
Speaker 8 (17:04):
No?
Speaker 6 (17:05):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 9 (17:05):
I mean on the Tasman. I just have to commend
everyone's efforts down there because they've had a brutal two
week period or three week period really with two big
weather events coming through there. I've spoken to both Mayors
Nick Smith and also Tim King. It's particularly in Tasman,
and it's particularly in some of the areas around apple hops,
in a little bit of forestry as well. So you know,
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we'll continue to work with them, and we've worked except well.
I fact, the response to the disaster I think has
been very very good. Now we move into the recovery
phase and you know, we make an assessment to see
where things are at and what other supports needed. Tom
mclay's got an announcement coming up to the bit more
about that. But the bigger point I was making was
that you know, there's been a report recently just come
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through that says, look, in twenty years from now, we
just can't afford for a government to keep bailing out
and underwriting houses getting written off. And that's an issue
about what's called climbate adaptation, is like how do we
aid back much more resilient infrastructure.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
When roads and slips happen.
Speaker 9 (18:03):
You know, we're working really hard on that to make
sure it's much more it's tough and more resilient sort
of infrastructure that we've got. But when you look down
the road, you can't have people building in flood zones.
You can't obviously have. You know, what's the responsibility of council,
central government, the land owner, the themselves, the banks, insurers.
How do we get a framework in place that sort
of says that these things are going to keep happening.
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How are we going to manage them in terms of
the recovery side and the compensation side and actually where
we actually build back infrastructure. How do we think about that.
Every country around the world is wrestling with us, Jamie.
I've spoken to other world leaders about it, and you
know that's why we've got a multi party bipart as
an approach to this, because you know, under successive governments
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in the future of different colors, you know that's going
to be an issue for everybody. So it's a New
Zealand issue. It's not a political issue. So we've got
to work our way through that. We don't have the
answers yet, but it's pretty you know, it's obvious that
we're not going to be able to afford to do
it or if it's one hundred percent on government, we're
going to have to think about how we manage that
risk better.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
And hopefully Todd McKay very shortly on those Tasman flood
announcements right. A headline in the Herald yesterday cracks in
the coalition as Deputy Dave now the naughty boy and
who would have thought Prime Minister that Winston Peters would
get the prize for best behave pupil.
Speaker 9 (19:21):
Now we've got a great coalition. Think about what we've
done for your sectale mean you've got dairy meat, horde, culture, forestry, seafood,
ll pumpany pumping, which is fantastic. Now we've got a
great coalition and we'd prawyer at.
Speaker 7 (19:32):
Yeah, we had a process issue. David, as was on
the letter that.
Speaker 9 (19:35):
He sent to the un in Winston is coordinating a
government response. Because it's four or five issues raised in
that letter. You know that he will coordinate him and
send out in due course.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
So that's all that was.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Yeah, But Seymour was exactly right. Pious sold u n
lecturing us here in New Zealand got on Seymour for
sending off a missive We.
Speaker 9 (19:55):
Don't disagree with the substance of that. I think you'd
find all of government and Winston, myself and David would
have very similar views around other substance and the content
of what we received. But the point is you know,
the process is that you know, Whinston Peter's as our
Foreign Affairs minister, is the right person to coordinate our
response to those to that letter, and he'll do a
great job doing that.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
So it's Winston's job to tell the un to go
and stick it up there where the sun doesn't shine. Anyhow,
Radio Winston's standing as a statesman seems to be growing
by the day. In that latest taxpayer Union Curier poll
which came out while you were away, has them ahead
of the Greens and Act and the Greens for the
first time.
Speaker 9 (20:36):
Oh, I think he's done an exceptional job. I think
you know, he's out and about in the world. You know,
between himself, myself, Todd McLay, Judith Collins, the four of
us are trying to lift with great urgency the intensity
and the quality of our relationships with international countries and partners.
And he's hugely respected across the world. He's hugely our
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huge generation for he does in the foreign affairs space
for for New Zealand, and we should be grateful that
he's out there doing the business. You know, you compare
and contrast, you know what's happened in our eighteen months
versus the previous six years. We're essentially no one went
traveling from New Zealand, and we had a Foreign Affairs
minister that didn't want to go do foreign affairs essentially,
and the whole place shut down and we lost a
huge amount of influence. And now we're building back our
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influence very strongly.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
Just talking of Winston, Federated Farmers is joining other major
industry good bodies such as darien Z Beef and Lamb
New Zealand and not advocating for the government to withdraw
from the Paris Agreement. Now here's the question for your
Prime Minister. Do all the members of the coalition support
the stance?
Speaker 7 (21:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (21:41):
Coalition government position is really clear.
Speaker 7 (21:43):
Yeah, absolutely clear.
Speaker 9 (21:44):
We all believe that's why. You know, it's our position
of the government. I mean, it's a cabinet we make
those final calls and we have good competitions in cabinet.
Speaker 7 (21:53):
But you know there's no doubt about it.
Speaker 9 (21:55):
This is the government position.
Speaker 6 (21:56):
Yep.
Speaker 9 (21:56):
Sorry, it's pretty simple because you know, as I said
before and I said at Field Days, you know we're
going hard on economic growth. We're not putting farming at risk.
We're not going to punish our farmers. We're going to
shut farms down. And frankly, it wasn't Paris that did
the damage to farmers. Farmers, it was labor that did
the damage to farmers.
Speaker 7 (22:12):
Be really clear about that.
Speaker 9 (22:14):
And actually, as I said before, I can tell you
our global competitors, you know, countries that sell similar products
to US and international multinational corporations, to the consumer goods companies,
they would look, you know, they'll kick us out in
the heartbeat if you exit of Paris.
Speaker 7 (22:26):
So let's be clear this.
Speaker 9 (22:28):
I think Yemen, Libya, one other country, and now the US.
But you've got the American governors of states are very
committed to itself and acting on its.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Libya, Yemen, Eritrea and South Sadan and the United States.
Let's not forget about the United States under Trump anyhow,
that's another discussion for another day. Prime Minister, thanks for
your time.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
Great to be with you. Jamie.
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This is one of my favorite jobs on the country
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Speaker 6 (24:32):
Bruce.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
Where are we heading to you?
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Good afternoon, Jamie. Yes, the twenty twenty five Good.
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Speaker 4 (24:44):
Well, I know plenty of good golf courses in and
around Palmerston North, so it might be me going up there.
But here's the question, what do I have to do?
Do I have to get on the end of a shovel?
Is this going to be too much like hard work?
Let's ask the spokesperson for the cole it and Primary
school and but Braider Amber, what are you up to?
What are you going to use your five thousand dollars
in all the labor to do?
Speaker 6 (25:07):
Hello?
Speaker 8 (25:07):
Thank you so much. Yes, we are going to move
our bike track, so we had to unfortunately cut the
end of our bike track off to put in a
brand new septic field, and so we're moving the bike
track and putting back in a rugby field.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Well I read that on the copy brief. Well, what
the hell's a septic field?
Speaker 8 (25:27):
The new modern septic systems have to have big drainage
fields for all the pipes, and unfortunately it takes up
a whole lot more room than the old system.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
So is that you like your fordy field? Your hockey
field all gone? Is it because of a septic system?
Speaker 8 (25:41):
Yep, there's just not enough room there anymore. So the
Ministry has fortunately allowed us to buy a little bit
of the paddock next door, so we're moving everything around
and going to do a big enhancement of the outside
area and put the field back in.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Well, I'm pleased to hear that, because kids need plenty
of space and the rural kids are you to what's
the connection with the bike track amber?
Speaker 8 (26:04):
So the fundraising committee put the butt treeck in quite
a long time ago now, but we had to chop
the end off it to put the septic field in,
so it's not usable anymore.
Speaker 6 (26:13):
Anyway.
Speaker 8 (26:14):
We're going to shift it to a completely different place
on the school grounds, and where it is now will
be part of the new field.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
And what will it cost to make this new bike track?
This I assume is not going to pay for the
whole lot.
Speaker 8 (26:27):
No, but the labor and the money are definitely going
to help. No, It's going to cost quite a lot
of money to do the full outdoor enhancement as sort
of probably around five hundred thousand dollars. But we've been
fundraising hard and we'll hopefully get a few more grants
like this one, which is going to go a long way.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
I'm not much chop on a spade, but I'm good
on a barbecue tong. But one man who's very good
on a spade because he works out every morning is
Bruce Waere, the GM for Country Bank, and he'll be there, Bruce.
Speaker 10 (26:56):
Ya'll plan to be Jamie. I try not to miss
those sessions. But I know that our local team lead
Brian Henderson, really looking forward to this project, and I
know they've got plenty of energy, so I'm sure Amber,
and congratulations by the way, I'm sure you'll work them hard.
Speaker 6 (27:14):
We're up for it. We will do.
Speaker 8 (27:15):
Thank you very much. We really appreciate it well.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
Amber, thank you very much. Looking forward to catching up
with you. I'm assuming this is going to happen at
the end of this year when the weather is a
wee bit better. What's it like in the manner or
two at the moment, very sulky.
Speaker 8 (27:27):
You will not want to be on a wheelbarrow at
the moment.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Well, I wouldn't want to be on a septic field
at the moment either. I'm a bit frightened by those.
Don't even start me on open classrooms. Hey, Bruce Ware
and Amber Brader, Congratulations to the coll it And School
for getting the five thousand dollars and the day's labor
from the team at Rabobank to do your new community project. Bruce,
from over well over one hundred entries, this is a
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very good.
Speaker 10 (27:51):
One, Yes, a fantastic one, and like you, Jamie, we
really look forward to this time of the year. But
I can assure you I'm glad I was not on
on the judging panel. Was over one hundred or so
where the entries that the judging panel had to work
hard to clup with this one.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
We'll be running it again next year, the Rabobank Good
Deeds Competition. Amber Bruce, thanks for your time. Congratulations, Thank
you very much.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
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Speaker 4 (28:24):
Do you know what I like about this politician? Winston
Peters New Zealand First Lead A former Deputy Prime minister
Foreign affairs ministers that I don't have to send them
questions in advance, and Winston Peters, you're the exception rather
than the rule these days.
Speaker 11 (28:39):
Well that's sad actually, because frankly, you know, if we
don't know the answer, we should say so and promise
to get back to you with it.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
All right, totally unscripted. You've got no idea what I'm
going to ask you. Here's my first question for you.
Are you more popular now than you've ever been since
New Zealand First was founded in nineteen ninety three? The
Taxpayers Union in curi a poll and I know you
don't like Poles. Has you sitting just under ten percent?
You're ahead of the Greens and Act No, we.
Speaker 11 (29:08):
Were far more popular leading into the twenty seventy in election,
whereupon the Laypae dropped this bundle and change its leader.
And then of course everybody had a love face with
the cinder and the poles changed, otherwise we'd gone to something.
At that time we were nineteen percent. At that time,
we'd be heading for twenty five percent. So you know
anything's possible.
Speaker 7 (29:28):
Now.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Do you ever run across Bill English these days? Have
you said sorry, Bill, I got it wrong in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 11 (29:35):
No, I didn't even say that to Bill when I
saw him, because when I first talked to him straight
after the twenty seventy election, he took me aside to
say this. They said they're going to roll me, but
they haven't got the numbers. And I'm sitting here thing
than myself. Here I am, it's nine ninety six. I'm
talking to Jim Bolger. But they've got a plan on
to roll them and place them with Jenny Shipley. That's
(29:57):
the kind of nightmare house facing and National Party knows it.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
Talking about New Zealand first current popularity and a bit
of it has to do with your performance to be
fair on the world stage as Foreign Affairs minister. But
Shane Jones is a populist, There's no doubt about it.
He gets stuck into lizards and blind frogs and we
all like that. He's a bit non PC, very entertaining.
What about Stuart Nash. He was on the show last
week basically auditioning for a role in the New Zealand
(30:25):
First Party. Are you going to give him a call?
Speaker 11 (30:29):
Well, actually, somebody who had paid that back to me
and I don't understand it to be an audition at all.
He was just giving you his frank views.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Well what's the answer to my question though? Are you
going to give him a call?
Speaker 6 (30:39):
No?
Speaker 11 (30:39):
You have manufactured from that discussion with them and out
come and to thinking I'm going to spare for it.
This is not my first rodeo.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
Where have I heard that before? But he plainly wants
to be in New Zealand First MP. Politically, he sits
in the right slot for you guys, because I always
thought he was a bit far to the right for
the Labor Party, even though his great grandfather was a
Labor Prime minister. I think him and Shane Jones would
be a great one to two punch for New Zealand First.
Speaker 11 (31:07):
No, Stuart's not too part of the right. Stuart is
a very practical, grounded politician, like the old Labor Party
was when they got out there to build New Zealand.
And building destruction, did all sorts of things, and then
they went woke. In more recent times set after Hell
and Clark, they went totally work and they're not recognizable
(31:27):
from what they used to be. That's why Stuart's got
no place. It's called over the moment.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Well I'll take that as a yes. When is he
announcing his candidacy?
Speaker 11 (31:36):
Now there's two statements. You're just made, not based on
what I said, But what do you want to say?
Speaker 8 (31:40):
Now?
Speaker 11 (31:40):
Look, as I keep on saying in foreign affairs, please
don't listen to people who tell you what they want
to happen. Listen to people who think they know what
might happen. It's a big difference.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Talking about the Taxpayers Union, I talked about their poll.
They've come out with a league table for local body rates.
Now this is all reading. Top ten cumulative rate increases
over the past three years has led by the West
Coast Regional Council at sixty five point five to seven
percent on an annual basis. The Cliff of District Council
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just down the road from me is leading the charge
at sixteen and a half percent. Is the government right
to try and cap or kneecap these local bodies.
Speaker 11 (32:24):
Yes, the governmentor's right, but when they make those statements
they should be saying themselves, but what was our record
where we showing the efficiency of public service delivery and
accountability for money. I can give you countless cases of
government west. So I've sent to some of my colleagues
before you preach to them and get your own house
and order or you know the old Dipton doctor, heal thyself.
(32:48):
You know, I'm talking about Wanganui wan who's got to
stand out record last race rise two point two percent.
That's what we need to strive for. But then Wanganu
hasn't gone out there and put cycle ways everywhere shut
down and cars shut the city down like an Orphan
and Willington. Do you see what's going on here?
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Oh well, I like our cycle away in Dunedin.
Speaker 11 (33:08):
Well you might like your where, but the Needen's flat
one is a lot.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
No, No, Dunedan's very much. I don't know when the
last time you were here. Winston. It's very much like Wellington.
It's a harbor city. It's a hell city. But we
do have a wonderful cycle way around the harbor and
that is flat. Yeah, I agree, Okay, a couple tore
quickly finish on. We're going to be speaking to Bryce mackenzie,
shortly co founder of Groundswell. He wants us out of
the Paris Agreement. Where does New Zealand First sit as
(33:35):
opposed to the Coalition, because the Prime Minister said to
me on Wednesday the Coalition was totally supportive of us
staying in the Paris Agreement. But where does New Zealand
First sit and what are you going to campaign on?
Speaker 11 (33:48):
We were the first ones that came out a long
time ago and said this, Almost sixty percent of emissions
are coming out of China, India, Russia and the United States.
What we do is like a sneeze in the middle
of the night compared to the rest of them, and
nothing we can do can change that. So please, we said,
let's re examine what the Paris Accord was about, and
(34:08):
remember specifically it was to separate out from their cord
food growing or in primary production in the sense that
we know that coming forward for the next thirty thirty
five years will need thirty to thirty five percent more food.
This is a critical area, but it was a general
first said, let's re examine why we did this in
(34:28):
the first place, because I said, at the time, when
the National Party went off with Paula Bennett the Two
Paris and sign up to their cord, they had no
idea what they were signing up to.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
So take that as a yes.
Speaker 11 (34:41):
Of course, it's a yes. I'm saying that we have
got to re examine and look at the matter and
say to the New Zealanders and in fact all of
the world, say, how can we make a difference when
China's emissions are above thirty percent?
Speaker 4 (34:53):
Well, I'm not arguing with you on that one. One
to finish on this is from a I'm hot onto
the collar about this one. Carbon farming, the folly of
carbon farming, blanket planting productive farmland as is happening out
there as we speak, when we're getting record prices for
red meat as an example, surely we should be growing food,
(35:14):
not pine trees.
Speaker 11 (35:16):
Yeah, I agree with the entirely. But when you say
not pine trees, no, we should be growing native long
term native trees. Pine tree forests are just a desert
under food. If you go into pines forest, there's nothing there.
Now we want native forest builts and we're in a
bill of we're in a plant of Billiingum native forest.
Plus we're actually preserving agricultural land. That's precisely our policy
(35:37):
and thank you for supporting it.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
Well you've changed your tune. But from twenty seventeen when
your henchman Shane was running around planting a billion pine trees.
Speaker 11 (35:45):
Well well we were playing a billion trees, not just
pine trees. But we got out of hand. There should
have been balance there.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
So are you rewriting history here Oninceton?
Speaker 11 (35:54):
No, I'm not rewriting history. I at the time was
sent to Shane. We need to be pining both sorts
of trees and some of them will last three hundred,
four hundred years. But it's part of the cleaning up
of New Zealand's pollution. If I go to Scandinavia, I
can't see a waterway until I'm flying Herbert on a
helicopter or a plane. Why because they've got to feed
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all down the sides of the banks of.
Speaker 8 (36:16):
The rivers and what have you.
Speaker 11 (36:18):
It's spectacular. And you know something, they're way ahead of
us in terms of all aspects of the economy, and
they're twice as rich as we are. And maybe they've
got some lessons to teach us. Meanwhile, of course they
are serious about ari cultural production. And but when they
talk about that culture production, here's a difference between the
National Party and others in New Zealand. First, we want
the added value to happen in New Zealand, not offshore.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
Winston Peters, thanks for your Tomas. So there's a bit
of bark left in the old dog, isn't there at
eighty years of age going better than ever?
Speaker 7 (36:48):
I don't know what you mean by that.
Speaker 11 (36:49):
I just think nasty.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
I mean it wasn't nasty, it was just factual.
Speaker 11 (36:54):
If iinald regular say, I will not use my complaint
about my opponent's youth and nxars. So they stopped talking
about my wisdom and age.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
Well, bless you, thanks for your time.
Speaker 11 (37:04):
Thank you.
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Speaker 3 (37:14):
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Speaker 4 (37:18):
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My name's Jamie Mackay. The show's brought to you by Rabobank.
Were growing a better New Zealand together, I'll tell you
what he might be into his ninth decade on planet Earth,
but I think he's getting better with age. Very interesting
comments around the Paris Agreement. You heard Christopher luxen Piece
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adamant that we need to stay in it, Winston the opposite.
It's going to be an interesting election, isn't it. Well
you enjoy the rest of your weekend and to you
folk in the Tasman Nelson region, good luck with the cleanup.
I know it's a real mess. Hopefully the weather gods
give you a bit of a brain. Really looking forward
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to the Foddy tonight as well, the third and final
French Test. The time it's France up against the Chiefs
only joking. Damien McKenzie is one of my absolute favorites.
Enjoy your weekend, catch them at the same time, same
place next Saturday morning.
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(00:38):
Let's get straight into it, should I say? Damian O'Connor
on the devastating flooding in his home patch, Derek Daniel,
one of the countries leading sheep farmers, Christopher Luxen. We
announced the winners of the twenty twenty five Rabobank Good
Deeds Competition five thousand dollars cash plus a day's labor
from the team at Rabobank, and were going to wrap
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Speaker 5 (01:08):
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Speaker 4 (01:21):
Damien, I kind of joins us to kick off the show, Damien,
West Coast Tasman. You're old electorate. It's truly tragic what's
happened there. Have you had a good look around it.
Speaker 6 (01:32):
Yes, I've been up a couple of times and spent
a number of days as best I could get around.
Of course, after the first event went up and had
a look down the Moneraca Valley, had to sneak in
around a few roads, but respectful of the road closures,
of course, but they did let me through a couple
of them just to talk to people. You know, rivers,
huge amount of gravel coming down, rivers that had just
(01:53):
gone through the stock banks, and you know, people hadn't
seen anything like that. It was the first event, and
indeed in some areas, the Motte Valley in particular, it
was worse the other day, and so it's pretty hard
on people, you know, through their homes, you know, literally
washing away fences, washing away land, hammering some of these
(02:15):
areas of orchard one peer orchard there with a lot
of infrastructure framing, you know, the very best of technology
just getting hammered by the water. So a big chockol
round for everyone. They kind of sick of it and
everything saturated, and it's going to take quite some time,
and there will be expectations, I guess of government stepping
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up here. It's not just roading, but actually it's hammered
people in a way that none of them could have
prepared for.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Mind you, the government can't afford to keep on paying
for every natural disaster. We have as much sympathy as
we have for the good folk in your electorate. It's
not the first time, and it definitely won't be the last.
People going to get hung out eventually to dry. No
bad pun intended by the insurance industry.
Speaker 7 (03:01):
Over these, no doubt.
Speaker 6 (03:04):
And there'll be some people affected by this last event,
at the last two events that aren't insured at all,
and for them it's a tragic. If you come back
to the point, and I know there's some discussion about it,
you know, what should people expect EQC. You know it
has its limits, councils may have approved, you know, building
in certain areas. You know, what should people expect by
(03:26):
way of protection through flood banks or stop banks. These
are all quite complex issues and there is I think
an expectation from people who buy a place you look
at the limb. You sometimes have to look at the
local plan to work out whether you're in a high
risk area, whether there's something on the limb and indeed,
you know, if it's been approved, and if it has
been approved, then I think there is some obligation back
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on central and local government and it might mean that
they just got to be a bit more careful before
they kind of rush out and sign off on everything.
And actually that runs you know, completely the countrary to
what the present government is saying about, you know, we'll
just leave it to the market, take off the regulations
and just go for it. Unfortunately, that might mean down
the track that you're you know, you're left high.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
And DRYE have we got it badly wrong when it
comes to extract and gravel from some of these rivers.
That's a common complaint I hear from farmers.
Speaker 6 (04:19):
Yes we have. You know, New Zealander is basically rising
up out of the ocean. We're being washed down out
to sea, you know. And what I hear is, of
course you've got to let the natural river flow, but
it's within stopbanks often and so the minute you put
an intervention in place, then you've got to you know,
there are actions and reactions, and you've got to follow
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that up. And the gravel the hills are being washed down.
There is more gravel in the vast majority of rivers,
and taking some out won't prevent some of these events,
but a stitch in time saves nine. And there are many, many,
many examples in Tasman in particular, where people have usk
for sensible extraction they haven't been allowed and now they
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get pretty pissed off. Look, that extraction wouldn't have stopped
the flooding, but you know, it's a good bit of
public relations, and it's sensible that we do what we
can when we can.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Absolutely adaptation versus mitigation. Do we just have to learn
to live with these climate events?
Speaker 6 (05:21):
Well, a bit of both. So if we end up
at three degrees increase in global warming, it's going to
be disastrous. And so we do have to do what
we can to reduce global warming, and that's an international effort.
If you read some of the reports, they are quite
scary when it comes to ice caps and the poles,
and you know, these kind of acute events which we
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were warned about many years ago are likely to be
more frequent and so we have to do a bit
of both. We can't just give up and say there's
nothing we can do and we'll just have to mitigate,
you know, and adapt. We really have to try and
reduce our few and global warming in sensible ways, which
is effectively more efficient use of hydrocarbons. And then we're
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going to have to be very careful where we build,
how we build, and you know what materials we build with.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
We can't finish this chat, dam Man, without arguing about something.
Maybe we can argue about climate change and the root
cause of it all Man burning fossil fuels rather than
ruminants emitting methane because their numbers haven't increased, Will that
get a bite?
Speaker 6 (06:28):
Well, I'm not sure. You know, we certainly had a
few more dairy house and animals in New Zealand was
here then we're here probably two hundred and fifty years ago,
so you know we have contributed. We've chopped down quite
a bit of bush if you might have noticed. And
I guess the question is should we all make an
effort to do what we can or should we just
give up and say, well, it's up to China In
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the US, Look, you know, the top ninety countries of
ninety countries that produce, you know, relatively small amounts, you know,
add up to about thirty percent of global warming. And
so if we all do our bit, then we'll make
some progress. And it's not just cows, it's not just transport,
it's all of those things. Let's see what we can do.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Ah, I sort of feel disappointed.
Speaker 6 (07:13):
So well the listeners. I'm sure I think they appreciated healthy,
robust debate, and I hope that people can respectfully have
that out around the community. Farming community in particular. You
don't like getting into an argument with your neighbor, but
if it's about something worthwhile and you do it respectfully,
then it's going to be productive.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
With your Irish background and heritage, you're not happy unless
you have an argument anyhow.
Speaker 6 (07:37):
Well, that's exactly that's why the Irish, you know, some
of the best educated people in the world. You know,
one of the oldest universities in the world because they've
been doing it for a long time and I'm proud
of that heritage.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Damien. He kind of thanks for your time, Sammy.
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I enjoy picking the brain of this man, because he's
got a very good one. Derek Daniel. Why a rapp
a sheep breeder from the Whyrary stud Derek. I want
to talk about Nordies and Brazilians a wee bit later,
but I want to start if I can, with carbon farming,
because you and I are both hot under the colar
about this one. Federated Farmers over the weekend or this
(08:21):
morning put out a report saying fifteen thousand hectares of
productive land food growing land has gone to trees since
the government announcement descend before of last year. Look, I
reckon was shutting the stable door here after the horse
has bolted. What do you think?
Speaker 7 (08:38):
Yeah, you're so right. No one and the public service
wants to count up how much land has gone into
trees in the last five or six years, because it's
been not only farmed whole farm sold into trees, but
also lots of trees planted on existing farms. And why
wouldn't you, I mean, this is social welfare in another sense.
(08:59):
Your plant trees go to the beach and pull an income.
It's totally unproductive as far as the country's concerned. And
I find an alarming jam. Just yesterday, I've got a
quote on some trees to log and the returns were pitiful.
And so what we're going to see very soon is
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any trees planted since nineteen ninety will not be logged.
And the whole export industry, which has been getting six
symbillion a year for New Zealand, that's going to start
falling away. It's not going to be pretty.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Derek Daniel, I worry that in twenty to thirty years
in this country. It may not affect you and I,
but we're going to be up for an ecological disaster.
We are going to be California all over again with
wildfires as a result of these unkempt and unkempt forests.
As you say, this is not production forestry that has
been managed properly. This is pines that have been planted
(09:59):
as thickly as possible to get as many carbon credits
as possible.
Speaker 7 (10:04):
Yeah, look, I totally agree. Right round my farm boundary
at Werry, seventeen hundred hectares has been planted in the
last two winters, and yeah, we're going to be an
oasis of pasture in the middle of all of that.
Those previous country had been planted in trees or was
made a bush or scrub around. And the likelihood of fire,
(10:27):
as you say, is just lifting all the time as
our average temperatures. Look down at Ohao, Look in the
Nelson area, there's been some pretty dramatic fires on the
porthills in christ Church. It's not a great future to
look forward to it all.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
And I think the other problem facing production forestry is
the slash issue. And like you, it's a six or
seven billion dollar industry. We can't afford to let it slip.
But I think socially there's going to be a lot
more pressure on forestry companies to get rid of the
slash or do something with it. So we don't get
what is happening in Nelson, Tasman at the moment that
(11:06):
will make production forestry I worry totally uneconomic.
Speaker 7 (11:11):
I think you're right. I've been thinking that if the
slash that lands in Tollerger Bay landed in Devonport at Takapuna,
that would have been a big change already, and it's
going to make production forestry even less economic, especially for
the land owner. Yeah, it's just crippling. We've allowed inflation
(11:34):
to take costs up within New Zealand, whereas our biggest
trading partner, China, they've kept a dampner on inflation, wages, salaries,
and they have a huge trade service. We have the
worst trade surplus deficit in the OECD. I mean we
are crippled at the moment. The government is borrowing more
(11:55):
than a million dollars an hour to prop up and
unsustained economy. Where are we going with all of this?
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Okay, let's move on from carbon farming and forestry to
sheep farming. Your area of expertise. You've been breeding sheep now, Derek, Well,
it goes back a generation before you or does it
go back two generations before you? At why rary?
Speaker 6 (12:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (12:17):
Two generations. My grandfather started a register start in nineteen
twenty nine, what's there ninety six years ago? And then
then my father branched out into performance recording on hill
Country almost sixty years ago, So that's the base.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Do you think your grandfather and father will be rolling
in their graves at the thought of you producing and
breeding sheep that don't produce wool because y Rary is
famous for its romney sheep and there of course a
dual purpose breed, very good wall producers. You're producing things
called Nerdies and Brazilians. That's slightly rude.
Speaker 7 (12:54):
Derek, Yeah, well, you know you've got to have a
trademark that's memorable. But I have pot neither. Camp. I
am still very hopeful that this deconstruction of wool which
will produce not only a power that's suitable as a
pigment carrier, but also you can make cellophane similar to
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cellophane for food packaging out of this. I'm very hopeful
that in the short to medium term we're going to
see a change in how wool is used and that
will come back to much greater returns for wool on farm.
In the meantime, though, there's no doubt that if you
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can run sheep that don't have the hassles of wool,
you can run with a lot less labor content, just
like mini cattle. And you can do other things with
your time. You can do other things, maybe with a
shepherd's house, and you can reduce the cost of production
very significantly.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
A dual purpose sheep like the Romney now outmoded. Ay.
Have they been overtaken by composite and exotics?
Speaker 7 (14:01):
No, no, absolutely not. Farmers may go out and breed
to composites, but they end up coming back to Romney
because Romney provides the constitution, structural soundness that they need.
When you breed out to other breeds, you gradually lose
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that hybrid vigor and you need to stabilize with the Romney.
Romney is the bedrock of the New Zealand sheep industry.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
You've been a visionary all your life. What's the future
for sheep farming in New Zealand?
Speaker 7 (14:40):
Yeah, very good question. Right. I see two major challenges
right at the moment. The first one is to get
big money back into wool. The second is we have
an issue with internal parasites and we're finding ways to
manage that as we go along. I mean, it's the
same as herbicides with wheat or maize or whatever. It's
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something that farmers are having to deal with intensive cattle
finishes with young cattle face the same issues with internal parasites.
We'll find a way around it, but they are the
two big challenges to my mind. And I'm hoping Jamie
that we can get big money back into wool. Sheep
farming will suddenly be flavor of the decade.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Well, I hope you're right. Could it be overtaken by
beef farming, because the prospects, the prospects for beef, especially
over the next two to three years short to medium term,
are pretty good, perhaps better than lamb, certainly better than wool.
Speaker 7 (15:40):
Oh yeah, yeah, no, I have to agree with you,
but there's not many soils in New Zealand that can
take one hundred percent beef cattle, especially when you get
a wet winter. Might go fine for one or two
seasons and then you face a soggy winter and lots
of damages done was pugging and so on. So that's
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why most hill country farms in New Zealand acts here
seventy percent sheep, sometimes down to forty to fifty percent.
Places like Disbon free of draining soils, but there's always
going to be a place for sheep.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Derek Daniel, out of the wire Rapper, why rarely stud
Thanks for some of your time today and I'm pleased
to hear that you guys and the wire Rapper have
missed out on some of that terrible weather that's at
the top of the South Island. Thanks for your time, Derek.
Speaker 7 (16:32):
Yeah, thank you, Jamie both for now.
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Wednesdays on the Country, the PM kicks off the show.
I hope he enjoyed his week's break because they only
think he has two weeks holiday for the entire year.
Keep working hard, Prime Minister. The country desperately needs it. Hey, listen,
you said the government won't be able to keep on
bailing out flooded homeowners. Where do you draw a line
in the sand. And will the Tasman district be hung
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out to dry?
Speaker 8 (17:04):
No?
Speaker 6 (17:05):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 9 (17:05):
I mean on the Tasman. I just have to commend
everyone's efforts down there because they've had a brutal two
week period or three week period really with two big
weather events coming through there. I've spoken to both Mayors
Nick Smith and also Tim King. It's particularly in Tasman,
and it's particularly in some of the areas around apple hops,
in a little bit of forestry as well. So you know,
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we'll continue to work with them, and we've worked except well.
I fact, the response to the disaster I think has
been very very good. Now we move into the recovery
phase and you know, we make an assessment to see
where things are at and what other supports needed. Tom
mclay's got an announcement coming up to the bit more
about that. But the bigger point I was making was
that you know, there's been a report recently just come
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through that says, look, in twenty years from now, we
just can't afford for a government to keep bailing out
and underwriting houses getting written off. And that's an issue
about what's called climbate adaptation, is like how do we
aid back much more resilient infrastructure.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
When roads and slips happen.
Speaker 9 (18:03):
You know, we're working really hard on that to make
sure it's much more it's tough and more resilient sort
of infrastructure that we've got. But when you look down
the road, you can't have people building in flood zones.
You can't obviously have. You know, what's the responsibility of council,
central government, the land owner, the themselves, the banks, insurers.
How do we get a framework in place that sort
of says that these things are going to keep happening.
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How are we going to manage them in terms of
the recovery side and the compensation side and actually where
we actually build back infrastructure. How do we think about that.
Every country around the world is wrestling with us, Jamie.
I've spoken to other world leaders about it, and you
know that's why we've got a multi party bipart as
an approach to this, because you know, under successive governments
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in the future of different colors, you know that's going
to be an issue for everybody. So it's a New
Zealand issue. It's not a political issue. So we've got
to work our way through that. We don't have the
answers yet, but it's pretty you know, it's obvious that
we're not going to be able to afford to do
it or if it's one hundred percent on government, we're
going to have to think about how we manage that
risk better.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
And hopefully Todd McKay very shortly on those Tasman flood
announcements right. A headline in the Herald yesterday cracks in
the coalition as Deputy Dave now the naughty boy and
who would have thought Prime Minister that Winston Peters would
get the prize for best behave pupil.
Speaker 9 (19:21):
Now we've got a great coalition. Think about what we've
done for your sectale mean you've got dairy meat, horde, culture, forestry, seafood,
ll pumpany pumping, which is fantastic. Now we've got a
great coalition and we'd prawyer at.
Speaker 7 (19:32):
Yeah, we had a process issue. David, as was on
the letter that.
Speaker 9 (19:35):
He sent to the un in Winston is coordinating a
government response. Because it's four or five issues raised in
that letter. You know that he will coordinate him and
send out in due course.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
So that's all that was.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Yeah, But Seymour was exactly right. Pious sold u n
lecturing us here in New Zealand got on Seymour for
sending off a missive We.
Speaker 9 (19:55):
Don't disagree with the substance of that. I think you'd
find all of government and Winston, myself and David would
have very similar views around other substance and the content
of what we received. But the point is you know,
the process is that you know, Whinston Peter's as our
Foreign Affairs minister, is the right person to coordinate our
response to those to that letter, and he'll do a
great job doing that.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
So it's Winston's job to tell the un to go
and stick it up there where the sun doesn't shine. Anyhow,
Radio Winston's standing as a statesman seems to be growing
by the day. In that latest taxpayer Union Curier poll
which came out while you were away, has them ahead
of the Greens and Act and the Greens for the
first time.
Speaker 9 (20:36):
Oh, I think he's done an exceptional job. I think
you know, he's out and about in the world. You know,
between himself, myself, Todd McLay, Judith Collins, the four of
us are trying to lift with great urgency the intensity
and the quality of our relationships with international countries and partners.
And he's hugely respected across the world. He's hugely our
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huge generation for he does in the foreign affairs space
for for New Zealand, and we should be grateful that
he's out there doing the business. You know, you compare
and contrast, you know what's happened in our eighteen months
versus the previous six years. We're essentially no one went
traveling from New Zealand, and we had a Foreign Affairs
minister that didn't want to go do foreign affairs essentially,
and the whole place shut down and we lost a
huge amount of influence. And now we're building back our
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influence very strongly.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
Just talking of Winston, Federated Farmers is joining other major
industry good bodies such as darien Z Beef and Lamb
New Zealand and not advocating for the government to withdraw
from the Paris Agreement. Now here's the question for your
Prime Minister. Do all the members of the coalition support
the stance?
Speaker 7 (21:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (21:41):
Coalition government position is really clear.
Speaker 7 (21:43):
Yeah, absolutely clear.
Speaker 9 (21:44):
We all believe that's why. You know, it's our position
of the government. I mean, it's a cabinet we make
those final calls and we have good competitions in cabinet.
Speaker 7 (21:53):
But you know there's no doubt about it.
Speaker 9 (21:55):
This is the government position.
Speaker 6 (21:56):
Yep.
Speaker 9 (21:56):
Sorry, it's pretty simple because you know, as I said
before and I said at Field Days, you know we're
going hard on economic growth. We're not putting farming at risk.
We're not going to punish our farmers. We're going to
shut farms down. And frankly, it wasn't Paris that did
the damage to farmers. Farmers, it was labor that did
the damage to farmers.
Speaker 7 (22:12):
Be really clear about that.
Speaker 9 (22:14):
And actually, as I said before, I can tell you
our global competitors, you know, countries that sell similar products
to US and international multinational corporations, to the consumer goods companies,
they would look, you know, they'll kick us out in
the heartbeat if you exit of Paris.
Speaker 7 (22:26):
So let's be clear this.
Speaker 9 (22:28):
I think Yemen, Libya, one other country, and now the US.
But you've got the American governors of states are very
committed to itself and acting on its.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Libya, Yemen, Eritrea and South Sadan and the United States.
Let's not forget about the United States under Trump anyhow,
that's another discussion for another day. Prime Minister, thanks for
your time.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
Great to be with you. Jamie.
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Speaker 1 (24:10):
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Speaker 4 (24:11):
This is one of my favorite jobs on the country
giving away money, especially other people's money. In this case
Rabobank's five thousand dollars worth plus a day's labor, plus
someone from the country's going to help. It might be
me if there's a good golf course anywhere near The
winner of the twenty twenty five Rabobank Good Deeds competition,
Bruce Wear's the GM for Country Banking.
Speaker 6 (24:32):
Bruce.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
Where are we heading to you?
Speaker 7 (24:34):
Good afternoon, Jamie. Yes, the twenty twenty five Good.
Speaker 10 (24:37):
Deeds winner is the rural based Collets and School northeast
of Fielding in the Munnow or two.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
Well, I know plenty of good golf courses in and
around Palmerston North, so it might be me going up there.
But here's the question, what do I have to do?
Do I have to get on the end of a shovel?
Is this going to be too much like hard work?
Let's ask the spokesperson for the cole it and Primary
school and but Braider Amber, what are you up to?
What are you going to use your five thousand dollars
in all the labor to do?
Speaker 6 (25:07):
Hello?
Speaker 8 (25:07):
Thank you so much. Yes, we are going to move
our bike track, so we had to unfortunately cut the
end of our bike track off to put in a
brand new septic field, and so we're moving the bike
track and putting back in a rugby field.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Well I read that on the copy brief. Well, what
the hell's a septic field?
Speaker 8 (25:27):
The new modern septic systems have to have big drainage
fields for all the pipes, and unfortunately it takes up
a whole lot more room than the old system.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
So is that you like your fordy field? Your hockey
field all gone? Is it because of a septic system?
Speaker 8 (25:41):
Yep, there's just not enough room there anymore. So the
Ministry has fortunately allowed us to buy a little bit
of the paddock next door, so we're moving everything around
and going to do a big enhancement of the outside
area and put the field back in.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Well, I'm pleased to hear that, because kids need plenty
of space and the rural kids are you to what's
the connection with the bike track amber?
Speaker 8 (26:04):
So the fundraising committee put the butt treeck in quite
a long time ago now, but we had to chop
the end off it to put the septic field in,
so it's not usable anymore.
Speaker 6 (26:13):
Anyway.
Speaker 8 (26:14):
We're going to shift it to a completely different place
on the school grounds, and where it is now will
be part of the new field.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
And what will it cost to make this new bike track?
This I assume is not going to pay for the
whole lot.
Speaker 8 (26:27):
No, but the labor and the money are definitely going
to help. No, It's going to cost quite a lot
of money to do the full outdoor enhancement as sort
of probably around five hundred thousand dollars. But we've been
fundraising hard and we'll hopefully get a few more grants
like this one, which is going to go a long way.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
I'm not much chop on a spade, but I'm good
on a barbecue tong. But one man who's very good
on a spade because he works out every morning is
Bruce Waere, the GM for Country Bank, and he'll be there, Bruce.
Speaker 10 (26:56):
Ya'll plan to be Jamie. I try not to miss
those sessions. But I know that our local team lead
Brian Henderson, really looking forward to this project, and I
know they've got plenty of energy, so I'm sure Amber,
and congratulations by the way, I'm sure you'll work them hard.
Speaker 6 (27:14):
We're up for it. We will do.
Speaker 8 (27:15):
Thank you very much. We really appreciate it well.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
Amber, thank you very much. Looking forward to catching up
with you. I'm assuming this is going to happen at
the end of this year when the weather is a
wee bit better. What's it like in the manner or
two at the moment, very sulky.
Speaker 8 (27:27):
You will not want to be on a wheelbarrow at
the moment.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Well, I wouldn't want to be on a septic field
at the moment either. I'm a bit frightened by those.
Don't even start me on open classrooms. Hey, Bruce Ware
and Amber Brader, Congratulations to the coll it And School
for getting the five thousand dollars and the day's labor
from the team at Rabobank to do your new community project. Bruce,
from over well over one hundred entries, this is a
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very good.
Speaker 10 (27:51):
One, Yes, a fantastic one, and like you, Jamie, we
really look forward to this time of the year. But
I can assure you I'm glad I was not on
on the judging panel. Was over one hundred or so
where the entries that the judging panel had to work
hard to clup with this one.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
We'll be running it again next year, the Rabobank Good
Deeds Competition. Amber Bruce, thanks for your time. Congratulations, Thank
you very much.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
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Speaker 4 (28:24):
Do you know what I like about this politician? Winston
Peters New Zealand First Lead A former Deputy Prime minister
Foreign affairs ministers that I don't have to send them
questions in advance, and Winston Peters, you're the exception rather
than the rule these days.
Speaker 11 (28:39):
Well that's sad actually, because frankly, you know, if we
don't know the answer, we should say so and promise
to get back to you with it.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
All right, totally unscripted. You've got no idea what I'm
going to ask you. Here's my first question for you.
Are you more popular now than you've ever been since
New Zealand First was founded in nineteen ninety three? The
Taxpayers Union in curi a poll and I know you
don't like Poles. Has you sitting just under ten percent?
You're ahead of the Greens and Act No, we.
Speaker 11 (29:08):
Were far more popular leading into the twenty seventy in election,
whereupon the Laypae dropped this bundle and change its leader.
And then of course everybody had a love face with
the cinder and the poles changed, otherwise we'd gone to something.
At that time we were nineteen percent. At that time,
we'd be heading for twenty five percent. So you know
anything's possible.
Speaker 7 (29:28):
Now.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Do you ever run across Bill English these days? Have
you said sorry, Bill, I got it wrong in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 11 (29:35):
No, I didn't even say that to Bill when I
saw him, because when I first talked to him straight
after the twenty seventy election, he took me aside to
say this. They said they're going to roll me, but
they haven't got the numbers. And I'm sitting here thing
than myself. Here I am, it's nine ninety six. I'm
talking to Jim Bolger. But they've got a plan on
to roll them and place them with Jenny Shipley. That's
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the kind of nightmare house facing and National Party knows it.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
Talking about New Zealand first current popularity and a bit
of it has to do with your performance to be
fair on the world stage as Foreign Affairs minister. But
Shane Jones is a populist, There's no doubt about it.
He gets stuck into lizards and blind frogs and we
all like that. He's a bit non PC, very entertaining.
What about Stuart Nash. He was on the show last
week basically auditioning for a role in the New Zealand
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First Party. Are you going to give him a call?
Speaker 11 (30:29):
Well, actually, somebody who had paid that back to me
and I don't understand it to be an audition at all.
He was just giving you his frank views.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Well what's the answer to my question though? Are you
going to give him a call?
Speaker 6 (30:39):
No?
Speaker 11 (30:39):
You have manufactured from that discussion with them and out
come and to thinking I'm going to spare for it.
This is not my first rodeo.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
Where have I heard that before? But he plainly wants
to be in New Zealand First MP. Politically, he sits
in the right slot for you guys, because I always
thought he was a bit far to the right for
the Labor Party, even though his great grandfather was a
Labor Prime minister. I think him and Shane Jones would
be a great one to two punch for New Zealand First.
Speaker 11 (31:07):
No, Stuart's not too part of the right. Stuart is
a very practical, grounded politician, like the old Labor Party
was when they got out there to build New Zealand.
And building destruction, did all sorts of things, and then
they went woke. In more recent times set after Hell
and Clark, they went totally work and they're not recognizable
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from what they used to be. That's why Stuart's got
no place. It's called over the moment.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Well I'll take that as a yes. When is he
announcing his candidacy?
Speaker 11 (31:36):
Now there's two statements. You're just made, not based on
what I said, But what do you want to say?
Speaker 8 (31:40):
Now?
Speaker 11 (31:40):
Look, as I keep on saying in foreign affairs, please
don't listen to people who tell you what they want
to happen. Listen to people who think they know what
might happen. It's a big difference.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Talking about the Taxpayers Union, I talked about their poll.
They've come out with a league table for local body rates.
Now this is all reading. Top ten cumulative rate increases
over the past three years has led by the West
Coast Regional Council at sixty five point five to seven
percent on an annual basis. The Cliff of District Council
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just down the road from me is leading the charge
at sixteen and a half percent. Is the government right
to try and cap or kneecap these local bodies.
Speaker 11 (32:24):
Yes, the governmentor's right, but when they make those statements
they should be saying themselves, but what was our record
where we showing the efficiency of public service delivery and
accountability for money. I can give you countless cases of
government west. So I've sent to some of my colleagues
before you preach to them and get your own house
and order or you know the old Dipton doctor, heal thyself.
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You know, I'm talking about Wanganui wan who's got to
stand out record last race rise two point two percent.
That's what we need to strive for. But then Wanganu
hasn't gone out there and put cycle ways everywhere shut
down and cars shut the city down like an Orphan
and Willington. Do you see what's going on here?
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Oh well, I like our cycle away in Dunedin.
Speaker 11 (33:08):
Well you might like your where, but the Needen's flat
one is a lot.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
No, No, Dunedan's very much. I don't know when the
last time you were here. Winston. It's very much like Wellington.
It's a harbor city. It's a hell city. But we
do have a wonderful cycle way around the harbor and
that is flat. Yeah, I agree, Okay, a couple tore
quickly finish on. We're going to be speaking to Bryce mackenzie,
shortly co founder of Groundswell. He wants us out of
the Paris Agreement. Where does New Zealand First sit as
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opposed to the Coalition, because the Prime Minister said to
me on Wednesday the Coalition was totally supportive of us
staying in the Paris Agreement. But where does New Zealand
First sit and what are you going to campaign on?
Speaker 11 (33:48):
We were the first ones that came out a long
time ago and said this, Almost sixty percent of emissions
are coming out of China, India, Russia and the United States.
What we do is like a sneeze in the middle
of the night compared to the rest of them, and
nothing we can do can change that. So please, we said,
let's re examine what the Paris Accord was about, and
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remember specifically it was to separate out from their cord
food growing or in primary production in the sense that
we know that coming forward for the next thirty thirty
five years will need thirty to thirty five percent more food.
This is a critical area, but it was a general
first said, let's re examine why we did this in
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the first place, because I said, at the time, when
the National Party went off with Paula Bennett the Two
Paris and sign up to their cord, they had no
idea what they were signing up to.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
So take that as a yes.
Speaker 11 (34:41):
Of course, it's a yes. I'm saying that we have
got to re examine and look at the matter and
say to the New Zealanders and in fact all of
the world, say, how can we make a difference when
China's emissions are above thirty percent?
Speaker 4 (34:53):
Well, I'm not arguing with you on that one. One
to finish on this is from a I'm hot onto
the collar about this one. Carbon farming, the folly of
carbon farming, blanket planting productive farmland as is happening out
there as we speak, when we're getting record prices for
red meat as an example, surely we should be growing food,
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not pine trees.
Speaker 11 (35:16):
Yeah, I agree with the entirely. But when you say
not pine trees, no, we should be growing native long
term native trees. Pine tree forests are just a desert
under food. If you go into pines forest, there's nothing there.
Now we want native forest builts and we're in a
bill of we're in a plant of Billiingum native forest.
Plus we're actually preserving agricultural land. That's precisely our policy
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and thank you for supporting it.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
Well you've changed your tune. But from twenty seventeen when
your henchman Shane was running around planting a billion pine trees.
Speaker 11 (35:45):
Well well we were playing a billion trees, not just
pine trees. But we got out of hand. There should
have been balance there.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
So are you rewriting history here Oninceton?
Speaker 11 (35:54):
No, I'm not rewriting history. I at the time was
sent to Shane. We need to be pining both sorts
of trees and some of them will last three hundred,
four hundred years. But it's part of the cleaning up
of New Zealand's pollution. If I go to Scandinavia, I
can't see a waterway until I'm flying Herbert on a
helicopter or a plane. Why because they've got to feed
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all down the sides of the banks of.
Speaker 8 (36:16):
The rivers and what have you.
Speaker 11 (36:18):
It's spectacular. And you know something, they're way ahead of
us in terms of all aspects of the economy, and
they're twice as rich as we are. And maybe they've
got some lessons to teach us. Meanwhile, of course they
are serious about ari cultural production. And but when they
talk about that culture production, here's a difference between the
National Party and others in New Zealand. First, we want
the added value to happen in New Zealand, not offshore.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
Winston Peters, thanks for your Tomas. So there's a bit
of bark left in the old dog, isn't there at
eighty years of age going better than ever?
Speaker 7 (36:48):
I don't know what you mean by that.
Speaker 11 (36:49):
I just think nasty.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
I mean it wasn't nasty, it was just factual.
Speaker 11 (36:54):
If iinald regular say, I will not use my complaint
about my opponent's youth and nxars. So they stopped talking
about my wisdom and age.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
Well, bless you, thanks for your time.
Speaker 11 (37:04):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
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with a huge network of progressive farming clients. Rabobank as
a wise.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Man, I couldn't cut it as a poor Manstein.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
Or Winstant Peter's wrapping the Best of the Country. Good morning,
My name's Jamie Mackay. The show's brought to you by Rabobank.
Were growing a better New Zealand together, I'll tell you
what he might be into his ninth decade on planet Earth,
but I think he's getting better with age. Very interesting
comments around the Paris Agreement. You heard Christopher luxen Piece
(37:40):
adamant that we need to stay in it, Winston the opposite.
It's going to be an interesting election, isn't it. Well
you enjoy the rest of your weekend and to you
folk in the Tasman Nelson region, good luck with the cleanup.
I know it's a real mess. Hopefully the weather gods
give you a bit of a brain. Really looking forward
(38:00):
to the Foddy tonight as well, the third and final
French Test. The time it's France up against the Chiefs
only joking. Damien McKenzie is one of my absolute favorites.
Enjoy your weekend, catch them at the same time, same
place next Saturday morning.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
Killed you And this is how you're a mine, what
I really am.
Speaker 12 (38:22):
This is so you're in my sorry story, mister the screaming.
Speaker 5 (38:36):
For I've been every bottle in my stream yet yes yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 12 (39:08):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Never made it as a wise man, I couldn't cut
it as a poor man.
Speaker 9 (39:28):
Steel it.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
And this is how you remind me. This is how
you remind me. This is how you remind me would
I really have?
Speaker 5 (39:45):
This is how you remind me of what ilbody like
him say. Sorry as bring not from sorry.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
This time saying forehead and you are? Was breaking a friend,
rob a friend.
Speaker 5 (40:04):
Down, friend at every.
Speaker 12 (40:09):
Inn?
Speaker 1 (40:10):
I asleep by.
Speaker 12 (40:15):
Yeah I was drus probably that was friious, That was priious. Yeah,
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