February 8, 2026 • 7 mins
Today’s farmer/politician panel ponders National Lamb Day, Wellington’s water woes, RMA reforms and submissions, and the Fonterra farmer vote on the $2 return of share capital.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This National Lamb Day on Sunday, February the fifteenth. But
before then we've got the Waimumu Field Days, the Southern
Field Days that gore lots of activity there on Friday,
and before that we've got the National Lamb Day Barbecue
on the Parliament lawns on Wednesday. Now I've got these
two the Farmer Politician Panel on the show today, Grant
(00:20):
McCullum and Andrew Hoggard, because you two, I don't want
to be the bearer of bad news, but you're not
high enough up on the food chain to get on
Wednesday show. So you're on today. How's that it?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
So long as I get a lambshop on Wednesday?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Well grut. But I will catch up with you for
a bear at back benches tomorrow night. Are you going
to sneak out of the debating session to do that?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Of course? Oh will, Jamie. I'll come and shot your bear,
No problem at all. We've I've got to welcome you
to Wellington where you can come and make sure you
bring some Now when you come to Wellington, be aware
you can't swim.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Yes, I won't pack the speedos. Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Bring some of those plugs as well.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Yeah, now, Andrew Hoggard, of course you're the Minister of Biosecurity.
Does this fall under your umbrella?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
No? No, if anything would fall under my associate environment
rolls slightly, but probably not really, probably more of a
pin It's probably more of a local government issue, quite frankly,
or justice issue. You know. The thing that frustrates me
with this is what if this was a dairy farmer
(01:38):
dumping this amount of crap in the harbor every single day?
You know that farm you PMS called this morning? There
should be any investigation this was a dairy farm, Automatically
there'd be an investigation happening. The farmer would probably be
undoubtedly looking at very hot fines in the tens of
thousands and possibly a criminal conviction. I mean, do will
(01:58):
any of the councilors, mayor officials involved the put in
that sort of situation?
Speaker 1 (02:06):
No?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Just yeah, I know there's a lot of time I
see one of these comments. A lot of farmers are saying, geez,
what was what would happen if this was a farmer?
And I think you know it's a fellied question.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Well, you know it's a question I have. Where's Greenpeace
out there protesting. We're so I need to put these
firms out there, the illegal firms that take take the
regional councils to court because they're not being tapping up
on the farming community. Where are they? They're silent and
not to be seen. Come on, Russell Norman, actually puts
your money where your mouths and go and hang a
(02:37):
sign up. In fact, what it is a better idea,
shut some tags on and go for a swim.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Do you think the Greens will turn up and support
National Lamb Day. I'm trying to get Steve Able to
come on the show on Wednesday. I've given up on
Chloe and Merrima. But do you think Steve might turn up?
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:58):
I'm a bit concerned that you've got You're trying to
get the Greens on and you don't want to Jamie Well, no, no, no, I've.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Got people higher up the food chain than you two.
I'll have I'll have Luxon and Seymour. Hopefully Winston Shane
will be good for a few lamb chops. I'd think,
wouldn't he were you a party grant? Were you at
his party over the weekend? I missed my invite.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
I was I was invited, but no, I went to
the global women's events that Jenny Shipley and Messenian National
Truck hosted.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Oh well, who wants to go to Shane Jones's Knees
Up when you can go to Jenny's Global Woman's whatever
it is.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
It's very important for the local MP of Northland to
go along and support that event.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Jamie, that is me, scolded, Okay, I want to talk
to you two about r m A reform. I've got
Jamie mcfadgeen from ground Swell chewing my hair saying I
told you so, this is not good. And this is
after I think Federated Farmers came out and said they're
a bit concerned about some of your r m A reforms.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
I think the key thing here, yeah, I pointed out
some details where their concent of it, but I didn't
note from their main thing. They said they agree with
the direction that Cabinet Signal wants to go on and
but here are some details that could you know, be
a problem. And that's with any piece of legislation, there's
always going to be details that need to be sorted out.
(04:21):
And I mean my message would be, hey, we're listening
get the submissions in, pointing their details out, point out
what youth, how it would be better to word it,
or how it would be better delivered to get that
intent we're all in agreeance on. So you know, just
because something first up isn't quite right doesn't mean that
(04:42):
the final product won't be what were intending to go.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
My point to Jamie and him and I, well, he
and I will disagree on this one. I said, ground
swells barking at cars are weebit on this one because
from the outside looking any in anyhow, I don't think
you could get a much more farm friendly government than
the one we've got, especially coming from the one we had.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Grant McCallum, abs couldn't agree more. At least we've got
some farmers in this government. You know that we're compared
to the last lot. And but yes, your Andrew's points
banging on, this is a genuine submission process. Please submit.
But yeah, submissions proses Frida at four point thirty. So
get your concerns in, your thoughts and your comments. Now,
(05:25):
Jamie mcveag has got such a great concern, put a
submission in and we can hear it and hear what
he's got to say just like anyone else is welcome.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Just finally, you two your politicians Grant out of Northland
Andrew Activist MP obviously out of the one or two region.
You are both suppliers to Fonterra. You're both dairy farmers.
You've got to vote for the money. Which way are
you going to vote? Boys or in voted?
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Job done?
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Hey, you've both got very good off farm incomes. Now
you don't need the money.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
I'm going to the farm off the parents so I
can make sure that you know you hear all or whatever,
get their little list correct this year. So I do
need the money. Yep.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Yeah, So the message here has encouraged Fonterira farmers to
vote one way or the other.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Yeah, it's really important. Just get out there vote. Farmers
need to be active in their own organizations and your
companies supporting the partner votes. Get on with it. Really important.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
So I'll just say if you know, we've got to
be involved. Otherwise politicians think if we're not involved, they'll
make with exigents.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
So it's right.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Yeah, it's a capital y payment two dollars a year,
two times seven is fourteen. That's about a pint and
back benches tomorrow night, Grant, So what a drop in
the ocean?
Speaker 3 (06:45):
You want to a pint of missons tomorrow night, Janie,
is there what you want? Well?
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Have they got Mackay's are on at the back bench?
Speaker 2 (06:52):
I don't think they do.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Okay, thanks lads, thanks for your time. We will see
you even if we don't talk to you on Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Yeah, so you're all right. Cheers.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
So let's always entertaining Andrew Hoggart and Grant McCallum
This National Lamb Day on Sunday, February the fifteenth. But
before then we've got the Waimumu Field Days, the Southern
Field Days that gore lots of activity there on Friday,
and before that we've got the National Lamb Day Barbecue
on the Parliament lawns on Wednesday. Now I've got these
two the Farmer Politician Panel on the show today, Grant
(00:20):
McCullum and Andrew Hoggard, because you two, I don't want
to be the bearer of bad news, but you're not
high enough up on the food chain to get on
Wednesday show. So you're on today. How's that it?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
So long as I get a lambshop on Wednesday?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Well grut. But I will catch up with you for
a bear at back benches tomorrow night. Are you going
to sneak out of the debating session to do that?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Of course? Oh will, Jamie. I'll come and shot your bear,
No problem at all. We've I've got to welcome you
to Wellington where you can come and make sure you
bring some Now when you come to Wellington, be aware
you can't swim.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Yes, I won't pack the speedos. Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Bring some of those plugs as well.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Yeah, now, Andrew Hoggard, of course you're the Minister of Biosecurity.
Does this fall under your umbrella?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
No? No, if anything would fall under my associate environment
rolls slightly, but probably not really, probably more of a
pin It's probably more of a local government issue, quite frankly,
or justice issue. You know. The thing that frustrates me
with this is what if this was a dairy farmer
(01:38):
dumping this amount of crap in the harbor every single day?
You know that farm you PMS called this morning? There
should be any investigation this was a dairy farm, Automatically
there'd be an investigation happening. The farmer would probably be
undoubtedly looking at very hot fines in the tens of
thousands and possibly a criminal conviction. I mean, do will
(01:58):
any of the councilors, mayor officials involved the put in
that sort of situation?
Speaker 1 (02:06):
No?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Just yeah, I know there's a lot of time I
see one of these comments. A lot of farmers are saying, geez,
what was what would happen if this was a farmer?
And I think you know it's a fellied question.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Well, you know it's a question I have. Where's Greenpeace
out there protesting. We're so I need to put these
firms out there, the illegal firms that take take the
regional councils to court because they're not being tapping up
on the farming community. Where are they? They're silent and
not to be seen. Come on, Russell Norman, actually puts
your money where your mouths and go and hang a
(02:37):
sign up. In fact, what it is a better idea,
shut some tags on and go for a swim.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Do you think the Greens will turn up and support
National Lamb Day. I'm trying to get Steve Able to
come on the show on Wednesday. I've given up on
Chloe and Merrima. But do you think Steve might turn up?
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:58):
I'm a bit concerned that you've got You're trying to
get the Greens on and you don't want to Jamie Well, no, no, no, I've.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Got people higher up the food chain than you two.
I'll have I'll have Luxon and Seymour. Hopefully Winston Shane
will be good for a few lamb chops. I'd think,
wouldn't he were you a party grant? Were you at
his party over the weekend? I missed my invite.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
I was I was invited, but no, I went to
the global women's events that Jenny Shipley and Messenian National
Truck hosted.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Oh well, who wants to go to Shane Jones's Knees
Up when you can go to Jenny's Global Woman's whatever
it is.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
It's very important for the local MP of Northland to
go along and support that event.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Jamie, that is me, scolded, Okay, I want to talk
to you two about r m A reform. I've got
Jamie mcfadgeen from ground Swell chewing my hair saying I
told you so, this is not good. And this is
after I think Federated Farmers came out and said they're
a bit concerned about some of your r m A reforms.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
I think the key thing here, yeah, I pointed out
some details where their concent of it, but I didn't
note from their main thing. They said they agree with
the direction that Cabinet Signal wants to go on and
but here are some details that could you know, be
a problem. And that's with any piece of legislation, there's
always going to be details that need to be sorted out.
(04:21):
And I mean my message would be, hey, we're listening
get the submissions in, pointing their details out, point out
what youth, how it would be better to word it,
or how it would be better delivered to get that
intent we're all in agreeance on. So you know, just
because something first up isn't quite right doesn't mean that
(04:42):
the final product won't be what were intending to go.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
My point to Jamie and him and I, well, he
and I will disagree on this one. I said, ground
swells barking at cars are weebit on this one because
from the outside looking any in anyhow, I don't think
you could get a much more farm friendly government than
the one we've got, especially coming from the one we had.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Grant McCallum, abs couldn't agree more. At least we've got
some farmers in this government. You know that we're compared
to the last lot. And but yes, your Andrew's points
banging on, this is a genuine submission process. Please submit.
But yeah, submissions proses Frida at four point thirty. So
get your concerns in, your thoughts and your comments. Now,
(05:25):
Jamie mcveag has got such a great concern, put a
submission in and we can hear it and hear what
he's got to say just like anyone else is welcome.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Just finally, you two your politicians Grant out of Northland
Andrew Activist MP obviously out of the one or two region.
You are both suppliers to Fonterra. You're both dairy farmers.
You've got to vote for the money. Which way are
you going to vote? Boys or in voted?
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Job done?
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Hey, you've both got very good off farm incomes. Now
you don't need the money.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
I'm going to the farm off the parents so I
can make sure that you know you hear all or whatever,
get their little list correct this year. So I do
need the money. Yep.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Yeah, So the message here has encouraged Fonterira farmers to
vote one way or the other.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Yeah, it's really important. Just get out there vote. Farmers
need to be active in their own organizations and your
companies supporting the partner votes. Get on with it. Really important.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
So I'll just say if you know, we've got to
be involved. Otherwise politicians think if we're not involved, they'll
make with exigents.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
So it's right.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Yeah, it's a capital y payment two dollars a year,
two times seven is fourteen. That's about a pint and
back benches tomorrow night, Grant, So what a drop in
the ocean?
Speaker 3 (06:45):
You want to a pint of missons tomorrow night, Janie,
is there what you want? Well?
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Have they got Mackay's are on at the back bench?
Speaker 2 (06:52):
I don't think they do.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Okay, thanks lads, thanks for your time. We will see
you even if we don't talk to you on Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Yeah, so you're all right. Cheers.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
So let's always entertaining Andrew Hoggart and Grant McCallum
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