May 10, 2026 • 8 mins
Today’s farmer/politician panel ponders NZ Dairy Industry Awards, Act’s Immigration policy and the launch of Voluntary Nature Markets.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Today's panel features a couple of farmer slash politicians. Andrew
Hoggard Associate Agriculture Minister and by a Security Minister and
of course Grant mcnational McCullum, who's just happy to be
the MP for North And let's start with the Dairy
Industry Awards and rode a ruer over the weekend. I
know you were both there, Grant, Can I start with you?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
What's this?
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Don't you know who I am? Moment that Andrew's been
telling me about, let me.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Tell you what happened, mate. So look what I've learned
in this game. My job is to promote the North
and I'm very that's my main focus and also an electioneer.
It never never hurts a bit of self promotion.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
So I finished the story.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Yeah that's fine. So yeah, so when Toradar list all
the MP's here, he didn't mention me.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
That's an easy mistake to make.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
It was most upsets, most upsets. Look, it's the joys
of politicians, of fun, and you know it was it was.
It was certainly certainly have a great evening, mate, I'll
tell you that.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
And mind you, mind you Jamie.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
At least I was there, like the presenter of a
certain award who instead of turning up came something turned
up on the screen in front of us, big picture
Jamie McKay from the country. Sorry, I can't be here.
I'm double parked. I couldn't see your peno green and
your pino NOI sitting there, mate, But so you you
(01:29):
blessed us with a video rather than coming to the awards.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Well, it's a long way to go from Dunedin to
Rota and I'm spending the next two months on a
plane and I was busy trying to get out of
my golf slump, which I think I did over the weekend,
so it was well worth it.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
Andrew imagined that the double parking was actually a golf game.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
But yeah, exactly, okay, Andrew Hoggart, of course, being a minister,
are you inside or outside cabinet?
Speaker 2 (01:55):
You're inside it, aren't you outside?
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Outside? Well that's a.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Lot better than Grant Anyhow, Radar wouldn't have forgotten.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Who you were.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
I was taking cab off the rank in terms of mentioned, sir, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Who got first mentioned was that Todd McLay. I thought,
of course, yeah, well it's his home patch. And to
be fair, Todd McLay deserves it. I reckon he is
one of the best performing ministers. Maybe him and Erica,
what do you think?
Speaker 3 (02:22):
I completely agree, Janiel, they both done amazing job.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Todd security will actually distird free.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Trade deal, but the biggie being India and for what
he's done for RUAL in New Zealand. That's a legacy
that anyone will be proud of. And Erica's legacy and
education will be let will benefit generations to come. The
work she's doing with just getting us back to basics.
You're getting kids learning how to read, write and do
some mess amazing and the parents love it. Some of
(02:50):
the teaching unions don't. But I'm sorry. It's the kids
are the ones that are learning an education system. The
are the ones that need to benefit.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Mind you, Erica, Erica Grant in.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
There for brook just to quickly put my vote in
for Brooke, because honestly, that Holiday's actor has done my
head in for over twenty eight years. So she's finally
fixed it and that's worthy of some pretty serious mention.
And so as I'm concerned, mind you.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Erica, Andrew Hoggard doesn't like your boss, David Seymore's immigration
policy that is Grant and mcnational. Can you defend said policy?
Speaker 5 (03:21):
Andrew, Look, I mean there is a real challenge in
urban New Zealand around immigration at the moment. There are
people not happy with what they're seeing, and that's what
our policy is focused on. We recognize there is a
difference with rural We know that there's a real challenge
rually to find people to work. And that's why you know,
(03:43):
when making sure that there's still that ability that you
know you won't you know there's a job shortage, you know,
this gets reviewed, but if that shortage is still real,
then you'll still be getting that visa for three years
for that employee. And if that shortages all existing and
you'll be able to roll it over.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Andrew, I think, hold on, hold on, hold on radio,
Grant the where you go, it's your show, not mine.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
They got exactly Dave got.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
They're going to charge them six dollars a day for
being here, right, and that's agains you'll pay that the
farmers who's struggling to get the people to milk the cows.
And we all know there's a lot of Filipinos, for example,
milking cows in this country. And also in the red
time of villages of this country. What about all those
workers that they got, all those employers that.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Go to pay that what that six dollars a day was.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
It's out of the contract able to work it out.
But but I mean, it's important that we're actually funding
infrastructure in this country rather than just letting a whole
range of people in without properly funding that infrastructure. It
needs to be funded. And I recognize it's different in
rural and we'll be working on, you know, how we
properly make sure that rule is recognized as being different.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Can I move on?
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Hold on?
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Oh, hang on ground No, No, otherwise I'm going to spend
the whole show on this. I want to move I
want to move on, Andrew to your launch today. I
think of the voluntary nature markets and this is carrot
instead of the scna's significant National Areas stick and I
think that's good because SNA's suck.
Speaker 6 (05:18):
Yes, exactly, and that's why I've been quite for the work.
And so what we're announcing today is the government's approach
on how we're going to enable this market to develop more.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
This is happening around the world. You've got whole range
of schemes all over the show. And you know, fundamentally,
the approach I've taken is what is the minimum the
government needs to do to ensure that a market can
develop and thrive in this country. I don't want heavy
handed regulations or government knee deep and running things. It's
about providing assurance to the market, much in the same
(05:53):
way government doesn't get heavily involved with the mechanics of
the nz X or chess. There's just a level of
assurance that people know they can invest in. And so
that's what we're announcing today. We'll be recognizing some international
endorsements and into a domestic one that companies cannopt into,
(06:13):
and just stressing the game. It's voluntary. So for those
that might want to get all conspiracy theory and think
that this is the latest world New World audit thing
to control their lives, it's voluntary. If you don't want
to earn money from doing good things, you don't have
to be part of it.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Let's just finish when you're both not being playing the
political game. Your dairy farmers, although let's be honest, I
think Andrew might do more on the farm than Grant.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
But have you yes or no, the pater. Okay, have
you both dried off yet? So early A you're going
to milk on.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
Well I want of milk, so we go all the
way through. But we asked that in the drive for our
sprint carver as.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Say you're a sucker for punishment. Have you just changed
this policy since you got into politics? Okay, boys, now
that I'm in Wellington, you can milk all through the winter.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
No.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
No, I've been doing this for about eight years now. Yeah,
so that's good. Means we can be a bit cruisier
during the summer because there's West Cowst to milk so
meets their grass curve quite nicely.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
And grant, have you dried off on Northland?
Speaker 3 (07:17):
It was yearing towards that process. Now Jamie, I the next
couple of weeks will gradually dry off.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
But just to finish up.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
On Saturday night they gave Jim van der Pol the
Lifetime Achievement Award, which if anyone in.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
The dairy seat deserves that he has.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
He's going right back to early and businesses involvements in
the eighties, through the bed getting onto the board of
New Zealand Dairy Group and then on to Fronterra and
the dairy is there unbelievable. And the work he did
around Heywalk you can are under very trying circumstances. And
the personal abuse he copped which was unacceptable. I just
think he had really deserves and contributed so much to
(07:56):
our sector.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
All hats off to Jim vander.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Pole and a good blog to go with it.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
All right, thank you very much for your time, but
you shouldn't get carried away with personal abuse, grunt. You
get it every fortnight or so when you turn up
on the show, but it's just part of the game.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
See you later.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Here you guys,
Today's panel features a couple of farmer slash politicians. Andrew
Hoggard Associate Agriculture Minister and by a Security Minister and
of course Grant mcnational McCullum, who's just happy to be
the MP for North And let's start with the Dairy
Industry Awards and rode a ruer over the weekend. I
know you were both there, Grant, Can I start with you?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
What's this?
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Don't you know who I am? Moment that Andrew's been
telling me about, let me.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Tell you what happened, mate. So look what I've learned
in this game. My job is to promote the North
and I'm very that's my main focus and also an electioneer.
It never never hurts a bit of self promotion.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
So I finished the story.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Yeah that's fine. So yeah, so when Toradar list all
the MP's here, he didn't mention me.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
That's an easy mistake to make.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
It was most upsets, most upsets. Look, it's the joys
of politicians, of fun, and you know it was it was.
It was certainly certainly have a great evening, mate, I'll
tell you that.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
And mind you, mind you Jamie.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
At least I was there, like the presenter of a
certain award who instead of turning up came something turned
up on the screen in front of us, big picture
Jamie McKay from the country. Sorry, I can't be here.
I'm double parked. I couldn't see your peno green and
your pino NOI sitting there, mate, But so you you
(01:29):
blessed us with a video rather than coming to the awards.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Well, it's a long way to go from Dunedin to
Rota and I'm spending the next two months on a
plane and I was busy trying to get out of
my golf slump, which I think I did over the weekend,
so it was well worth it.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
Andrew imagined that the double parking was actually a golf game.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
But yeah, exactly, okay, Andrew Hoggart, of course, being a minister,
are you inside or outside cabinet?
Speaker 2 (01:55):
You're inside it, aren't you outside?
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Outside? Well that's a.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Lot better than Grant Anyhow, Radar wouldn't have forgotten.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Who you were.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
I was taking cab off the rank in terms of mentioned, sir, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Who got first mentioned was that Todd McLay. I thought,
of course, yeah, well it's his home patch. And to
be fair, Todd McLay deserves it. I reckon he is
one of the best performing ministers. Maybe him and Erica,
what do you think?
Speaker 3 (02:22):
I completely agree, Janiel, they both done amazing job.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Todd security will actually distird free.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Trade deal, but the biggie being India and for what
he's done for RUAL in New Zealand. That's a legacy
that anyone will be proud of. And Erica's legacy and
education will be let will benefit generations to come. The
work she's doing with just getting us back to basics.
You're getting kids learning how to read, write and do
some mess amazing and the parents love it. Some of
(02:50):
the teaching unions don't. But I'm sorry. It's the kids
are the ones that are learning an education system. The
are the ones that need to benefit.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Mind you, Erica, Erica Grant in.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
There for brook just to quickly put my vote in
for Brooke, because honestly, that Holiday's actor has done my
head in for over twenty eight years. So she's finally
fixed it and that's worthy of some pretty serious mention.
And so as I'm concerned, mind you.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Erica, Andrew Hoggard doesn't like your boss, David Seymore's immigration
policy that is Grant and mcnational. Can you defend said policy?
Speaker 5 (03:21):
Andrew, Look, I mean there is a real challenge in
urban New Zealand around immigration at the moment. There are
people not happy with what they're seeing, and that's what
our policy is focused on. We recognize there is a
difference with rural We know that there's a real challenge
rually to find people to work. And that's why you know,
(03:43):
when making sure that there's still that ability that you
know you won't you know there's a job shortage, you know,
this gets reviewed, but if that shortage is still real,
then you'll still be getting that visa for three years
for that employee. And if that shortages all existing and
you'll be able to roll it over.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Andrew, I think, hold on, hold on, hold on radio,
Grant the where you go, it's your show, not mine.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
They got exactly Dave got.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
They're going to charge them six dollars a day for
being here, right, and that's agains you'll pay that the
farmers who's struggling to get the people to milk the cows.
And we all know there's a lot of Filipinos, for example,
milking cows in this country. And also in the red
time of villages of this country. What about all those
workers that they got, all those employers that.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Go to pay that what that six dollars a day was.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
It's out of the contract able to work it out.
But but I mean, it's important that we're actually funding
infrastructure in this country rather than just letting a whole
range of people in without properly funding that infrastructure. It
needs to be funded. And I recognize it's different in
rural and we'll be working on, you know, how we
properly make sure that rule is recognized as being different.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Can I move on?
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Hold on?
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Oh, hang on ground No, No, otherwise I'm going to spend
the whole show on this. I want to move I
want to move on, Andrew to your launch today. I
think of the voluntary nature markets and this is carrot
instead of the scna's significant National Areas stick and I
think that's good because SNA's suck.
Speaker 6 (05:18):
Yes, exactly, and that's why I've been quite for the work.
And so what we're announcing today is the government's approach
on how we're going to enable this market to develop more.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
This is happening around the world. You've got whole range
of schemes all over the show. And you know, fundamentally,
the approach I've taken is what is the minimum the
government needs to do to ensure that a market can
develop and thrive in this country. I don't want heavy
handed regulations or government knee deep and running things. It's
about providing assurance to the market, much in the same
(05:53):
way government doesn't get heavily involved with the mechanics of
the nz X or chess. There's just a level of
assurance that people know they can invest in. And so
that's what we're announcing today. We'll be recognizing some international
endorsements and into a domestic one that companies cannopt into,
(06:13):
and just stressing the game. It's voluntary. So for those
that might want to get all conspiracy theory and think
that this is the latest world New World audit thing
to control their lives, it's voluntary. If you don't want
to earn money from doing good things, you don't have
to be part of it.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Let's just finish when you're both not being playing the
political game. Your dairy farmers, although let's be honest, I
think Andrew might do more on the farm than Grant.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
But have you yes or no, the pater. Okay, have
you both dried off yet? So early A you're going
to milk on.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
Well I want of milk, so we go all the
way through. But we asked that in the drive for our
sprint carver as.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Say you're a sucker for punishment. Have you just changed
this policy since you got into politics? Okay, boys, now
that I'm in Wellington, you can milk all through the winter.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
No.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
No, I've been doing this for about eight years now. Yeah,
so that's good. Means we can be a bit cruisier
during the summer because there's West Cowst to milk so
meets their grass curve quite nicely.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
And grant, have you dried off on Northland?
Speaker 3 (07:17):
It was yearing towards that process. Now Jamie, I the next
couple of weeks will gradually dry off.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
But just to finish up.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
On Saturday night they gave Jim van der Pol the
Lifetime Achievement Award, which if anyone in.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
The dairy seat deserves that he has.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
He's going right back to early and businesses involvements in
the eighties, through the bed getting onto the board of
New Zealand Dairy Group and then on to Fronterra and
the dairy is there unbelievable. And the work he did
around Heywalk you can are under very trying circumstances. And
the personal abuse he copped which was unacceptable. I just
think he had really deserves and contributed so much to
(07:56):
our sector.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
All hats off to Jim vander.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Pole and a good blog to go with it.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
All right, thank you very much for your time, but
you shouldn't get carried away with personal abuse, grunt. You
get it every fortnight or so when you turn up
on the show, but it's just part of the game.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
See you later.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Here you guys,
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