June 11, 2026 • 9 mins
NZ First leader on shaking things up with Shane Jones at Fieldays. Plus, he talks about the state of farming, a recent positive poll, and superannuation.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
There is that keynote interview for today, and there's a
(00:02):
good crowd turned up to see them and to hear them,
including Smiley Barret, who wants to meet Winston Peters. Okay,
Winston Peters, I went and listened to you at Federated
Farmers this morning. You got stuck into the poor old Feds.
You're in a cantankerous mood.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
No I wasn't. I've to tell people the facts. They're
standing here celebrating the fact that we've got sort of
record exports and we haven't. Our exports are good, yes,
but they could be so much better if the added
value was coming to our economy, our workforce and our people.
But it's not. It's going to other economies, and we're
worsing that. We're setting off to the French, we're setting
off to the Irish, we're setting off to everybody but
looking after our own people. And when you've got things
(00:39):
like added value and it's lost to our economy, you
become a price taker and not a price May.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
You realize there's probably heaps of Fonterra Farmer shareholders out
there who quite happily pocketed the four hundred grand.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Well, that quite have we, But don't forget they went
into China blew one point four bill and went bankrupt
and nobody sent the prison for it. Well, that were that,
over and over. I watched for a long long time.
I was on the rag Cultural Set Committee in nineteen
seventy eight when Harthy were never born. That's how long
I've been watching the ad culturals at Setting. And what
I'm really saying is that if we were a clever,
(01:13):
smart country like Singapore, like there I say crazily at
the moment, or like the Irish at the moment and
have been since they become the Celtic Tiger, we'd be
doing so much better.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
You made the announcement this morning a pout some pole
that's coming out this afternoon. I don't know whether it's
a legit pole, and I know you only comment on
good poles, the ones that suit shr So you said
this's going to be a sea change.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Now I'm telling there is a sea change. I'm talking
about a pole that I saw last night, a pole
of ten thousand New Zealanders, not this hopeless one thousand
pole which is coming out today. But even that pole
will indicate that there's a sea change. Going on at
the moment, and the great news for you, Jamie, your audiences,
there's a big move to a party called New Zealand First.
(01:59):
Now I know that as a long National Party supporter,
you're going to want to celebrate that, won't you, Because
were the only thing properly the National Party up at
the moment. Don't you realize that? Well?
Speaker 1 (02:08):
I realized that. I realized that you've kept chippy to touch,
which is good because you didn't really stay true to
your word in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I've always been true. I've always been true to my word.
I never ever gave a commitment before twenty twenty three,
So which way I'd go? Didn't do it in twenty
seven and didn't do it in forteen, didn't do it
in nine ninety three before the m MP, or nine
ninety six when the first MP starting. I never have
to don't tell a lie on your program.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Shane Jones was on the program yesterday and he was
very definitive about where New Zealand First and you stood
over the Paris Agreement. Tell the punters what you're going
to do with Paris.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I've been saying for a long time. If you've got
four countries in India, China, Russia and the United States
guilty of and responsible for sixty percent of the emissions already,
What hope have we got of changing anything with our
small percentage? And you know we can sneeze, now they
could sneeze, that'll be our whole of emissions for the year.
It's dramatically a hopeless cause were on and yet you
(03:07):
got the National Party went off to Paris and signed up.
Now I know you all voted for them, But when
Paula Benner went off to Paris and signed up, what
are these things you're signing up to. Well that it's
worse as twenty two billion dollars coming out of our
economy to try and correct our responsibility to the Paris Accord.
That's the worst case scenario. And can we afford that, No,
we can't. Just in case we can't afford it, they've
(03:28):
gone and committed themselves to pay thirty five billion to
Anya over the next for fifteen years. And you're looking
at me and I bet about now and now I
don't thought you've been down a here writing and protesting
when they invest turned up to the day because they're
back in the deal. I'm not and what I'm saying
about the Paris Accord, it's over, it's finished, it's a
waste about time, and we are not going to go
(03:49):
along with it.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Why do you keep burying your head in the sand
over issues such as the India Free Trade Agreement and
age of eligibility for national super I know you're going
to buy it.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
The Free Trade m It's not a trade agreement. Its's
of emigration to them. It's agreement for immigration and serious
immigration coming in from India and out here in this counting.
And there's not a matter being Indian or pro Inian
or pro Chinese. Our immigration policiesue based on people. We
need not even need us. Look at Ireland at the moment,
look at the UK, look at the Europe and the
Eupean disaster of careless immigration, and we're not having it here.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
You said this morning at Federated Farmers that we can
afford the current superannuation scheme. It's currently using something like
five or just over five five five two percent of GDP.
You threw the example out there of nations such as
some of these European nations, where they retire when they're
about forty five eight or ten percent for Spain. But realistically,
(04:44):
you know as well as I do, that we can't
afford to stay on this current path.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Isn't this amazing? Did he mention the column fun? The
color fun was a fun begun twenty years ago to
put away money for when there was a big cost
rise in supernuation. It's now ninety two billion dollars. But
National NAC never mentioned that fun. And I'll tell you why.
The purpose of which it was men to be used.
They don't tend to do that. They want to privatize it.
(05:11):
And you what they wanted to actually do. What they're
saying is we can't run the economy properly, and so
we'll keep on getting grandmother and grandfather's savings to try
and disguise how badly we're doing. That's only what's going on.
And there are people sitting here right here, right now
who remember when we were going at five and a
half percent year after year after year, five and a
half percent growth, year after year after year, and becoming
(05:32):
number one in the world. We're still that great country. Yeh.
But hang on there. I know the Minister for Labor
back then, the Minister of Labor back then, This is
how good we were. He didn't have an elephantine memory
or fantastic memory, but he knew every unemployed people a
person registered. Guess why they're only twenty nine, not on thousand, three,
one hundred and twenty nine. And I'm telling these people
(05:55):
and National Layer Party get out of the way. You
can't run the economy. Give me a chance.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
How can we afford a final question on this one,
how can we afford a system where by the year
twenty fifty or sixty or whatever it does, we'll have
two workers for every one super innuitance.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
But that's such a joke. Look, we've got AI coming.
AI is with us right here, right now. They're going
to be dramatic changes going forward. Everybody have made all
these sorts of forecasts. That's going to happen. That's not
going to happen. The reason why we backed, and we
were in opposition at the time, the then Cullen Fund,
because it was designed to smooth out the rising costs
of the baby boomers. Well, the money has been put away,
(06:32):
there's ninety two billion in rising It's been the most
successful fund. But nobody mentions that. And the only reason
why they don't mention is they don't intend to use
it for its purpose. It's a great way instead of
saying to everybody, I'm hopeless, I'll just go and get
the retire all the savings from a former era, and
(06:52):
then I'll privatize those and then I'll somehow make the
balance the books balance. Well, the books are never going
to balance their way until we turn our economy's growth
right around. Is it possible to grow a four and
five percent? Of course it is, But no of their policies.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
You and I'll agree to disagree on India free trade
and superannuation.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
One thing he does not talking about on any free
trade deal. On any free trade deal, there's a luxo
out there and he's promising you that there's going to
be big trade and meat. Well, look this is the
farming show. He can't tell me Australia success record of
the last five years in India because there's sales in
India when it comes to meat have been pathetic and
so will there be for us. Take apples for example,
(07:35):
we now level to next mo apples to India. Yes,
when the two months we don't produce apples, you know,
do some research here.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
One thing we can agree on one thing. We can
aground show. No, no, you're stuck in the seventies with
the country these days, Winston. We used to be the
farming show. Just one more, let's just agree on something.
I think you and I will both agree that you're
doing a good job as foreign minister. I'm not going
to get an argument from you there, am I so
(08:06):
wearing that hat.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Well I've got. I'm out there using all my experiences
for long and the betterment of my country.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
And doing a good job. Talk to me, what do
you know? What's what's the intel you've heard this morning
about the Middle East and Trump.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Look at everyone to build people's hopes up. But it's
quite promising. There's a momentum of understanding. We send our
ambassador back in just in the last few days into
Iran so that we'd be closer to the action. There
is it possibility that peace might at long last break out.
But all I'm saying is keep your fingers crossed, but
don't be too optimistic. Let's hope it develops and that
(08:44):
they realize that there's no there's no winners here now anymore.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Winston Peter's New Zealand first leader, Foreign minister, give him
a big hand. He's largely doing a good job for
his country.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Ah. And just one, just one thing before I go.
You got too virtue though. You can carry on your
poncheon birting for hopeless political parties. But I suggest on
your second bird you take out some insurance.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Hey, you'll be pleased to know. I've just got a
text and from Federated Farmers the PR Department, and they're
saying Shane Jones yesterday, Winston Peters today. You're sure you're
not standing for New Zealand. First I can assure you
I'm not. But there it goes, Winston Peters
There is that keynote interview for today, and there's a
(00:02):
good crowd turned up to see them and to hear them,
including Smiley Barret, who wants to meet Winston Peters. Okay,
Winston Peters, I went and listened to you at Federated
Farmers this morning. You got stuck into the poor old Feds.
You're in a cantankerous mood.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
No I wasn't. I've to tell people the facts. They're
standing here celebrating the fact that we've got sort of
record exports and we haven't. Our exports are good, yes,
but they could be so much better if the added
value was coming to our economy, our workforce and our people.
But it's not. It's going to other economies, and we're
worsing that. We're setting off to the French, we're setting
off to the Irish, we're setting off to everybody but
looking after our own people. And when you've got things
(00:39):
like added value and it's lost to our economy, you
become a price taker and not a price May.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
You realize there's probably heaps of Fonterra Farmer shareholders out
there who quite happily pocketed the four hundred grand.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Well, that quite have we, But don't forget they went
into China blew one point four bill and went bankrupt
and nobody sent the prison for it. Well, that were that,
over and over. I watched for a long long time.
I was on the rag Cultural Set Committee in nineteen
seventy eight when Harthy were never born. That's how long
I've been watching the ad culturals at Setting. And what
I'm really saying is that if we were a clever,
(01:13):
smart country like Singapore, like there I say crazily at
the moment, or like the Irish at the moment and
have been since they become the Celtic Tiger, we'd be
doing so much better.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
You made the announcement this morning a pout some pole
that's coming out this afternoon. I don't know whether it's
a legit pole, and I know you only comment on
good poles, the ones that suit shr So you said
this's going to be a sea change.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Now I'm telling there is a sea change. I'm talking
about a pole that I saw last night, a pole
of ten thousand New Zealanders, not this hopeless one thousand
pole which is coming out today. But even that pole
will indicate that there's a sea change. Going on at
the moment, and the great news for you, Jamie, your audiences,
there's a big move to a party called New Zealand First.
(01:59):
Now I know that as a long National Party supporter,
you're going to want to celebrate that, won't you, Because
were the only thing properly the National Party up at
the moment. Don't you realize that? Well?
Speaker 1 (02:08):
I realized that. I realized that you've kept chippy to touch,
which is good because you didn't really stay true to
your word in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I've always been true. I've always been true to my word.
I never ever gave a commitment before twenty twenty three,
So which way I'd go? Didn't do it in twenty
seven and didn't do it in forteen, didn't do it
in nine ninety three before the m MP, or nine
ninety six when the first MP starting. I never have
to don't tell a lie on your program.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Shane Jones was on the program yesterday and he was
very definitive about where New Zealand First and you stood
over the Paris Agreement. Tell the punters what you're going
to do with Paris.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I've been saying for a long time. If you've got
four countries in India, China, Russia and the United States
guilty of and responsible for sixty percent of the emissions already,
What hope have we got of changing anything with our
small percentage? And you know we can sneeze, now they
could sneeze, that'll be our whole of emissions for the year.
It's dramatically a hopeless cause were on and yet you
(03:07):
got the National Party went off to Paris and signed up.
Now I know you all voted for them, But when
Paula Benner went off to Paris and signed up, what
are these things you're signing up to. Well that it's
worse as twenty two billion dollars coming out of our
economy to try and correct our responsibility to the Paris Accord.
That's the worst case scenario. And can we afford that, No,
we can't. Just in case we can't afford it, they've
(03:28):
gone and committed themselves to pay thirty five billion to
Anya over the next for fifteen years. And you're looking
at me and I bet about now and now I
don't thought you've been down a here writing and protesting
when they invest turned up to the day because they're
back in the deal. I'm not and what I'm saying
about the Paris Accord, it's over, it's finished, it's a
waste about time, and we are not going to go
(03:49):
along with it.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Why do you keep burying your head in the sand
over issues such as the India Free Trade Agreement and
age of eligibility for national super I know you're going
to buy it.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
The Free Trade m It's not a trade agreement. Its's
of emigration to them. It's agreement for immigration and serious
immigration coming in from India and out here in this counting.
And there's not a matter being Indian or pro Inian
or pro Chinese. Our immigration policiesue based on people. We
need not even need us. Look at Ireland at the moment,
look at the UK, look at the Europe and the
Eupean disaster of careless immigration, and we're not having it here.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
You said this morning at Federated Farmers that we can
afford the current superannuation scheme. It's currently using something like
five or just over five five five two percent of GDP.
You threw the example out there of nations such as
some of these European nations, where they retire when they're
about forty five eight or ten percent for Spain. But realistically,
(04:44):
you know as well as I do, that we can't
afford to stay on this current path.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Isn't this amazing? Did he mention the column fun? The
color fun was a fun begun twenty years ago to
put away money for when there was a big cost
rise in supernuation. It's now ninety two billion dollars. But
National NAC never mentioned that fun. And I'll tell you why.
The purpose of which it was men to be used.
They don't tend to do that. They want to privatize it.
(05:11):
And you what they wanted to actually do. What they're
saying is we can't run the economy properly, and so
we'll keep on getting grandmother and grandfather's savings to try
and disguise how badly we're doing. That's only what's going on.
And there are people sitting here right here, right now
who remember when we were going at five and a
half percent year after year after year, five and a
half percent growth, year after year after year, and becoming
(05:32):
number one in the world. We're still that great country. Yeh.
But hang on there. I know the Minister for Labor
back then, the Minister of Labor back then, This is
how good we were. He didn't have an elephantine memory
or fantastic memory, but he knew every unemployed people a
person registered. Guess why they're only twenty nine, not on thousand, three,
one hundred and twenty nine. And I'm telling these people
(05:55):
and National Layer Party get out of the way. You
can't run the economy. Give me a chance.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
How can we afford a final question on this one,
how can we afford a system where by the year
twenty fifty or sixty or whatever it does, we'll have
two workers for every one super innuitance.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
But that's such a joke. Look, we've got AI coming.
AI is with us right here, right now. They're going
to be dramatic changes going forward. Everybody have made all
these sorts of forecasts. That's going to happen. That's not
going to happen. The reason why we backed, and we
were in opposition at the time, the then Cullen Fund,
because it was designed to smooth out the rising costs
of the baby boomers. Well, the money has been put away,
(06:32):
there's ninety two billion in rising It's been the most
successful fund. But nobody mentions that. And the only reason
why they don't mention is they don't intend to use
it for its purpose. It's a great way instead of
saying to everybody, I'm hopeless, I'll just go and get
the retire all the savings from a former era, and
(06:52):
then I'll privatize those and then I'll somehow make the
balance the books balance. Well, the books are never going
to balance their way until we turn our economy's growth
right around. Is it possible to grow a four and
five percent? Of course it is, But no of their policies.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
You and I'll agree to disagree on India free trade
and superannuation.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
One thing he does not talking about on any free
trade deal. On any free trade deal, there's a luxo
out there and he's promising you that there's going to
be big trade and meat. Well, look this is the
farming show. He can't tell me Australia success record of
the last five years in India because there's sales in
India when it comes to meat have been pathetic and
so will there be for us. Take apples for example,
(07:35):
we now level to next mo apples to India. Yes,
when the two months we don't produce apples, you know,
do some research here.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
One thing we can agree on one thing. We can
aground show. No, no, you're stuck in the seventies with
the country these days, Winston. We used to be the
farming show. Just one more, let's just agree on something.
I think you and I will both agree that you're
doing a good job as foreign minister. I'm not going
to get an argument from you there, am I so
(08:06):
wearing that hat.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Well I've got. I'm out there using all my experiences
for long and the betterment of my country.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
And doing a good job. Talk to me, what do
you know? What's what's the intel you've heard this morning
about the Middle East and Trump.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Look at everyone to build people's hopes up. But it's
quite promising. There's a momentum of understanding. We send our
ambassador back in just in the last few days into
Iran so that we'd be closer to the action. There
is it possibility that peace might at long last break out.
But all I'm saying is keep your fingers crossed, but
don't be too optimistic. Let's hope it develops and that
(08:44):
they realize that there's no there's no winners here now anymore.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Winston Peter's New Zealand first leader, Foreign minister, give him
a big hand. He's largely doing a good job for
his country.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Ah. And just one, just one thing before I go.
You got too virtue though. You can carry on your
poncheon birting for hopeless political parties. But I suggest on
your second bird you take out some insurance.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Hey, you'll be pleased to know. I've just got a
text and from Federated Farmers the PR Department, and they're
saying Shane Jones yesterday, Winston Peters today. You're sure you're
not standing for New Zealand. First I can assure you
I'm not. But there it goes, Winston Peters
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