July 15, 2026 • 9 mins
The NZ First leader comments on bird flu, celebrity candidates, being called a clown by a former Prime Minister, and we have our obligatory argument over the Indian Free Trade Agreement.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Kicking off the country today, New Zealand first leader Winston Peters.
Let's start with the serious stuff and then we'll have
an argument a wee bit later on about the Indian FTA,
as we do every time we chat. Talk to me,
mister Peters about the bird flu. How worried should we be?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Well, I don't think we should get over worried at
this point in time. I mean, this one that's been
found probably maybe more it's says, possibly to the good
life of this country. That's important. So let's be very
careful here. But let's not overreact and must do judgment
too soon.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
So we're not facing another pandemic.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I don't believe so well, let's hope.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
So anyhow, Okay, celebrity candidates, we've already heard about Tanne Randall,
Stu Nash. I think Stu would call himself a celebrity,
and now Michael Laws. But have you been outgunned by
the ACT Party bringing in Paul Henry, who was quite
critical of you, if you don't mind me saying so.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Amateur hour. That's why the fact of the matter is
that at seven pm previous night, the ACT Party found
out that their former president was up against Ubbling in
the court again for peterphilia charges. So that's why they
dropped this one. And at this point in time, but
Constance the coinsence is echoing around the country. For goodness sake,
(01:22):
there's no surprises here. But as Paul Henry's going to
find out, this is a difficult job politics, and he's
going to have to.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Learn someone who has also been getting stuck into you,
as Andrew Advance. I spent a couple of weeks in Australia,
but it was a big story while I was over there.
She got stuck into you and you got stuck into
her in return. And then there was a column from
someone this columns everywhere these days about how an eighty
year old is very cleverly using social media. Did you
(01:51):
take that as a compliment, And yes.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
I did, And I took them so long to learn
that in the first place. But Andrew Advance, I took
it to the Press Council and won because she made
a whole lot of stabments of a false about the
Qui rail and the press counselor awread with me. But
before that, you recall I've accused her and Peter Dunn
of releasing state secrets. Remember that, and Peter Dunn lost
his job. So she hates me and understand why. But
(02:14):
she used to work for News of the World. Who
the News of the World. Well they had they were
shut down for lying to the British media. That's how
bad they were. So I'm not taking your lessons from
Andrey Advance. She's better than twisted and I've proven it.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Are you worried about the Opportunity Party getting past that
five percent threshold? I know you say bug of the polls,
a bit like your old mate Jim Bolger, But the
reality is if they do manage to get past five percent,
and I'm not suggesting they will, but if they did,
that would mean a change of government.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
First of all, look, the first thing I know about opportunity,
there's opportunity costs, and in this case, you've got a
hold of consultants, and consultants will send you an invoice.
It's all the hype of the mainstream media. They're trying
to prop them up, give them all the covernments possible.
And so are you. When did they have a last
public meeting? Did you see it? Did you know what
they said? Without their manifesto? They reached what they said.
(03:07):
They haven't told you anything about what they mean, but
there are a bunch of left wingers. Sadly they'll send
everybody over sixty five destitute because they're going to have
land tax and nobody have sixty five bill pay it.
So when they find out about this, I'm not concerned
about them, No, I'm worried about one pay in the
past called zeven.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
First universal income, a land tax that would be crippling
for many in the productive sector, and I particularly look
at farming.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Yeah, and you and your listeners.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
So I'll tell you what aren't you New Zealand first?
Conserve us?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
If you won't be saved yet, you've got to write God,
you took a long time to get to there, but
at last you finally you understood you've got one chance
to be down on the farm, and that father in
chances is Zion First.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
How did you take to be called a clown by
a former Prime Minister John Key?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Ah? Well, aok, Paul John. I mean you know, you
remember there's the crash in wall Stream of the crash
and that two thousand and eight when all these companies
went down. In the fourth company to go down was
Merrill Lynch got bailed out by the American taxpayers. Well,
John Key's background was with them, and I said at
the time, and I don't come here and tell us
what you know. This is a fraud and pudge and
company you worked for and they've been found out. And
(04:17):
the second thing about John Key, when he talks about it,
there my op quest to John Keys. Mister Key, if
this deal is so good, how come by twenty fifty
you learnly grow our DDP by one tenth of one percent?
Explain that to me if you.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Wed where did you get that number from it? You
just pulled that out of your backside?
Speaker 2 (04:35):
No, now that's the treasury is forecast. I didn't pull
it out of there. You should know this. I am astonisher. Here,
I am here, I am on this date, all the
way in the July the sixteenth, twenty twenty six, after
all these months of December last year they were talking
about signing up to it, and you've found out for
the first time what it's value to our economy is.
(04:57):
I am deeply shocked. And the people who suffered the most,
of the farmers, because they're nothing having your dairy products
down there? Are they? And when it comes to the
other products when it comes to beef well, or have
a look at the US that's the UK and other
country sales to them. Or do I say the Afritan
sells them and tell you why he's so confident. I'm
(05:17):
astonished that you've learned to see her now that the
GDP growth will be only one ten to one percent
by twenty fifty.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Now, yeah, I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I buy
that I spoke to and I know your good mates
with them, you were very good mates with his father.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Yes, you say not for you buy that. I've been
saying that for days now. Has anybody refuted me? No?
The only person refuted me is you.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Well, I don't know the numbers. I don't know if
you've just made them up and trying to pull the
wall over my eyes.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
If I'd have made them up there to be refuted me,
wouldn't they.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Now in okay, let me go back to Todd mcay
and I know he's a mate of yours and you
get along well with them. This is what he had
to say yesterday. It's only a twenty second club on
the twenty billion dollars. Listen to this. The twenty billion
dollar investment. Is it an investment or is it an
aspirational target.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
It's an aspirational target to promote investment. And the government
has taken our commitment to promote investment, and it is
very clear in the legislation it has written down. Lawyers
on both sides scrutinize that our responsibility is to promote
it is not to invest.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
So what do you say about that? What do you
say an answer to that?
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Stop playing with words. The reality is that I've been
saying for a long time, what this thirty three billion
music in New Zealand dollars will cost us into the
union economy? And here comes money. He's coming over He's
got a high commission here, that's seen all the controversy.
He gets over here, and he still said what he
said because that's the way they've read it. And then
(06:46):
it cost us if we don't match up with what
we promised. That's the reality of it.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
But why wouldn't Why wouldn't we, Winston Peters, invest in
an economy that is a marketplace of one point four
billion and growing daily.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
We would because we're not stupid. We should be investing
in a country called New Zealand not a country called India.
But goodness, well, what's wrong with you? Men? What I
can see why better than National Park is the global.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
You don't know who I vote for. I could be
a New Zealand first voter if it wasn't for your
stance on the FDA. Also, Todd McLay had this to
say about immigration. Hey, what about the unfettered migration that
he's banging on about selection year?
Speaker 3 (07:29):
He's absolutely completely one thousand percent wrong. One thousand, six
hundred and seventy skilled workers per year could come to
New Zealand. They're only allowed to stay for three years
and they have to go home. They can't reapply on
that same visa for another three years.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
So there you go. You're a one thousand percent wrong.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Now what's wrong with that is if I'm wrong? And
why is Mody and Goryal the Trade Minister for India
and their communications ministries? Why are they all wrong? They're
all saying what I'm saying. How come that all of
a sudden you got this contract where the Indians got
it all wrong and sales Winster Peters and the National
Parti's got it all right. Excuse me, this is not
(08:09):
our first.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Not your first rodio. Then why did you say, why
did you seen Mark Patterson, your wall guy, over to India.
Isn't that a bit two faced?
Speaker 2 (08:19):
No, not too face. We've been working on exporting the
wall all around the world since we've got the job,
and Mike's done a fantastic job. And there I said,
if you go to their Indian new Parliament, the carpet
is magnificent carve its provided by New Zealand. This is
nothing to do with this. I mean, this is the
kind of deal we talked about, getting out there and
trading properly, but making it up and manifesting it as
(08:41):
the Prime Minister has while he subserviently bows down to
an Indian culture in New Zealand was just breathtaking. How
could we possibly be proud of what he did? I mean,
the salutations and secretness of the Prime Minister's behavior when
the many financiles here was just breathtaking. And you know it.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Would you have held hands with Mody?
Speaker 2 (09:02):
No, I wouldn't have because I'm gone onto my own
culture and I spec another country to come here and
respect Michaels when I'm here. That's not the way He's
illness behaves.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Hey, Winston Peter's thanks for your time. I could argue
all day with you, but I haven't got that time.
Good luck for your national conferences this weekend.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Isn't it it is?
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Is it true that you need a gold card to
get in?
Speaker 2 (09:21):
You've only a gold card to get in, but you'll
need to get it early, because I tell you why,
it will be war to war. Unlike other parties they
kind of get and put it down telephone booth together.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Only New Zealand first can savers. Thanks for your time.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Oh yeah, that's
Kicking off the country today, New Zealand first leader Winston Peters.
Let's start with the serious stuff and then we'll have
an argument a wee bit later on about the Indian FTA,
as we do every time we chat. Talk to me,
mister Peters about the bird flu. How worried should we be?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Well, I don't think we should get over worried at
this point in time. I mean, this one that's been
found probably maybe more it's says, possibly to the good
life of this country. That's important. So let's be very
careful here. But let's not overreact and must do judgment
too soon.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
So we're not facing another pandemic.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I don't believe so well, let's hope.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
So anyhow, Okay, celebrity candidates, we've already heard about Tanne Randall,
Stu Nash. I think Stu would call himself a celebrity,
and now Michael Laws. But have you been outgunned by
the ACT Party bringing in Paul Henry, who was quite
critical of you, if you don't mind me saying so.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Amateur hour. That's why the fact of the matter is
that at seven pm previous night, the ACT Party found
out that their former president was up against Ubbling in
the court again for peterphilia charges. So that's why they
dropped this one. And at this point in time, but
Constance the coinsence is echoing around the country. For goodness sake,
(01:22):
there's no surprises here. But as Paul Henry's going to
find out, this is a difficult job politics, and he's
going to have to.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Learn someone who has also been getting stuck into you,
as Andrew Advance. I spent a couple of weeks in Australia,
but it was a big story while I was over there.
She got stuck into you and you got stuck into
her in return. And then there was a column from
someone this columns everywhere these days about how an eighty
year old is very cleverly using social media. Did you
(01:51):
take that as a compliment, And yes.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
I did, And I took them so long to learn
that in the first place. But Andrew Advance, I took
it to the Press Council and won because she made
a whole lot of stabments of a false about the
Qui rail and the press counselor awread with me. But
before that, you recall I've accused her and Peter Dunn
of releasing state secrets. Remember that, and Peter Dunn lost
his job. So she hates me and understand why. But
(02:14):
she used to work for News of the World. Who
the News of the World. Well they had they were
shut down for lying to the British media. That's how
bad they were. So I'm not taking your lessons from
Andrey Advance. She's better than twisted and I've proven it.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Are you worried about the Opportunity Party getting past that
five percent threshold? I know you say bug of the polls,
a bit like your old mate Jim Bolger, But the
reality is if they do manage to get past five percent,
and I'm not suggesting they will, but if they did,
that would mean a change of government.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
First of all, look, the first thing I know about opportunity,
there's opportunity costs, and in this case, you've got a
hold of consultants, and consultants will send you an invoice.
It's all the hype of the mainstream media. They're trying
to prop them up, give them all the covernments possible.
And so are you. When did they have a last
public meeting? Did you see it? Did you know what
they said? Without their manifesto? They reached what they said.
(03:07):
They haven't told you anything about what they mean, but
there are a bunch of left wingers. Sadly they'll send
everybody over sixty five destitute because they're going to have
land tax and nobody have sixty five bill pay it.
So when they find out about this, I'm not concerned
about them, No, I'm worried about one pay in the
past called zeven.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
First universal income, a land tax that would be crippling
for many in the productive sector, and I particularly look
at farming.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Yeah, and you and your listeners.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
So I'll tell you what aren't you New Zealand first?
Conserve us?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
If you won't be saved yet, you've got to write God,
you took a long time to get to there, but
at last you finally you understood you've got one chance
to be down on the farm, and that father in
chances is Zion First.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
How did you take to be called a clown by
a former Prime Minister John Key?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Ah? Well, aok, Paul John. I mean you know, you
remember there's the crash in wall Stream of the crash
and that two thousand and eight when all these companies
went down. In the fourth company to go down was
Merrill Lynch got bailed out by the American taxpayers. Well,
John Key's background was with them, and I said at
the time, and I don't come here and tell us
what you know. This is a fraud and pudge and
company you worked for and they've been found out. And
(04:17):
the second thing about John Key, when he talks about it,
there my op quest to John Keys. Mister Key, if
this deal is so good, how come by twenty fifty
you learnly grow our DDP by one tenth of one percent?
Explain that to me if you.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Wed where did you get that number from it? You
just pulled that out of your backside?
Speaker 2 (04:35):
No, now that's the treasury is forecast. I didn't pull
it out of there. You should know this. I am astonisher. Here,
I am here, I am on this date, all the
way in the July the sixteenth, twenty twenty six, after
all these months of December last year they were talking
about signing up to it, and you've found out for
the first time what it's value to our economy is.
(04:57):
I am deeply shocked. And the people who suffered the most,
of the farmers, because they're nothing having your dairy products
down there? Are they? And when it comes to the
other products when it comes to beef well, or have
a look at the US that's the UK and other
country sales to them. Or do I say the Afritan
sells them and tell you why he's so confident. I'm
(05:17):
astonished that you've learned to see her now that the
GDP growth will be only one ten to one percent
by twenty fifty.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Now, yeah, I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I buy
that I spoke to and I know your good mates
with them, you were very good mates with his father.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Yes, you say not for you buy that. I've been
saying that for days now. Has anybody refuted me? No?
The only person refuted me is you.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Well, I don't know the numbers. I don't know if
you've just made them up and trying to pull the
wall over my eyes.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
If I'd have made them up there to be refuted me,
wouldn't they.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Now in okay, let me go back to Todd mcay
and I know he's a mate of yours and you
get along well with them. This is what he had
to say yesterday. It's only a twenty second club on
the twenty billion dollars. Listen to this. The twenty billion
dollar investment. Is it an investment or is it an
aspirational target.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
It's an aspirational target to promote investment. And the government
has taken our commitment to promote investment, and it is
very clear in the legislation it has written down. Lawyers
on both sides scrutinize that our responsibility is to promote
it is not to invest.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
So what do you say about that? What do you
say an answer to that?
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Stop playing with words. The reality is that I've been
saying for a long time, what this thirty three billion
music in New Zealand dollars will cost us into the
union economy? And here comes money. He's coming over He's
got a high commission here, that's seen all the controversy.
He gets over here, and he still said what he
said because that's the way they've read it. And then
(06:46):
it cost us if we don't match up with what
we promised. That's the reality of it.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
But why wouldn't Why wouldn't we, Winston Peters, invest in
an economy that is a marketplace of one point four
billion and growing daily.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
We would because we're not stupid. We should be investing
in a country called New Zealand not a country called India.
But goodness, well, what's wrong with you? Men? What I
can see why better than National Park is the global.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
You don't know who I vote for. I could be
a New Zealand first voter if it wasn't for your
stance on the FDA. Also, Todd McLay had this to
say about immigration. Hey, what about the unfettered migration that
he's banging on about selection year?
Speaker 3 (07:29):
He's absolutely completely one thousand percent wrong. One thousand, six
hundred and seventy skilled workers per year could come to
New Zealand. They're only allowed to stay for three years
and they have to go home. They can't reapply on
that same visa for another three years.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
So there you go. You're a one thousand percent wrong.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Now what's wrong with that is if I'm wrong? And
why is Mody and Goryal the Trade Minister for India
and their communications ministries? Why are they all wrong? They're
all saying what I'm saying. How come that all of
a sudden you got this contract where the Indians got
it all wrong and sales Winster Peters and the National
Parti's got it all right. Excuse me, this is not
(08:09):
our first.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Not your first rodio. Then why did you say, why
did you seen Mark Patterson, your wall guy, over to India.
Isn't that a bit two faced?
Speaker 2 (08:19):
No, not too face. We've been working on exporting the
wall all around the world since we've got the job,
and Mike's done a fantastic job. And there I said,
if you go to their Indian new Parliament, the carpet
is magnificent carve its provided by New Zealand. This is
nothing to do with this. I mean, this is the
kind of deal we talked about, getting out there and
trading properly, but making it up and manifesting it as
(08:41):
the Prime Minister has while he subserviently bows down to
an Indian culture in New Zealand was just breathtaking. How
could we possibly be proud of what he did? I mean,
the salutations and secretness of the Prime Minister's behavior when
the many financiles here was just breathtaking. And you know it.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Would you have held hands with Mody?
Speaker 2 (09:02):
No, I wouldn't have because I'm gone onto my own
culture and I spec another country to come here and
respect Michaels when I'm here. That's not the way He's
illness behaves.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Hey, Winston Peter's thanks for your time. I could argue
all day with you, but I haven't got that time.
Good luck for your national conferences this weekend.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Isn't it it is?
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Is it true that you need a gold card to
get in?
Speaker 2 (09:21):
You've only a gold card to get in, but you'll
need to get it early, because I tell you why,
it will be war to war. Unlike other parties they
kind of get and put it down telephone booth together.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Only New Zealand first can savers. Thanks for your time.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Oh yeah, that's
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