August 13, 2026 • 46 mins
Jamie Mackay talks to Fran O'Sullivan, Christopher Luxon, Rhys Tamanui, Stu Duncan, Stu Loe, Murray Deaker, and Barry Soper.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
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Good afternoon, New Zealand and welcome to the Country. I'm
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Jamie McKay coming to you from the fair Auckland Mothership.
Really in, said me. Gee, this is a big place.
Pitch up boys Friday because producer today Andy McDonald, Piney's
producer on Weekend Sport, refused to play country music. So
here we go. Hey on the show today. We're waiting
patiently to maybe be the first show on news Talk,
(00:56):
said b to chat to the Prime Minister since you
know when he has been at the South Island election
conference this morning and he's come out with some good
policy or the NATS have for farming and also pleased
to see if that they're going to try and do
something about the traffic jam that is Queenstown these days.
But we're going to kick off the show because we're
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up here for the ZB hundredths tonight with someone who
has had a long and distinguished career add Enz and
me in business journalism. That's fran O'Sullivan. Be interested to
get her take on what has been a very interesting week.
We're going to talk to Rees Tarmanui. He is the
young butcher from y Power in Central hawks Bay who
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took out the big gong last night at the Butchery Awards.
Stu Duncan and Stulo's Today is Today's Farmer Panel. Once
in Canterbury the others in Otago are they talking to
each other? Probably not? After Canterbury stole the shield? What
are you Awned is going back to Canterbury? Murray Deeker
yours hopefully Murray He's been on ZB almost since day one,
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been around that long. And Barry's soaper or Heather duplicy
l and one or the other before the end of
the hour. But let's kick off the show with fran O'Sullivan.
She is en z Edmee's his head of business. Fran
I introduced you by having a long and distinguished career
in business journalism. I hope you accept that compliment.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
I do, but I started in political journalism working for
Barry Soper back in the day when I think I
was the first employee in Parliament in nineteen eighty one.
So there you go.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
She well, Barry's been around, of course, hopefully we'll have
him on later in the show. He's been around since Muldoon.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Indeed, and so was I.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Well that ages is all that we can even remember
Rob Muldoon, Hey Fran. Just to get off track, I mean,
I know I've been following politics since I was a kid,
since Keith Holyoak and since Helen Clark. If had every
Prime Minister of the country as a regular guest on
my show. And if it comes to ranking them, because
you and I are of a similar generation, from Holyoak
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through to Chris Luckson, Key is my best, followed by
Helen Clark, how would you write them?
Speaker 3 (03:06):
I would put it the other way round. And why
is because Helen Clark did Actually she was a reforming
prime minister together with Michael Cullen, and of course they
put in place can we savor the Cullen fun things
like that. Plus they did manage to get the government
account into good order. I think with Key what he
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did though, was he took the country through a very
difficult period I mean he used to be jested about
by Bill English, the Finance minister at the time, as
the cheerleader in chief. But what he did was he
held the country's spirits up when we'd come through the
earthquakes and arrange and obviously the GFC, and it took
quite a long time to you know, kind of worm
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our way out of that. But you know, both of
them different qualities, Helen Clark and also John Key, both
of them still intensely interested in politics, and both of
them commenting all the time.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Still well loves to comment about this week. What are
balls up from the National Party? Fran, What do you
make about it? You've been as you've been around a
long time.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
I think one of the interesting comments is in my
column for tomorrow is Steven Frank's put it this way,
basically that mister Pink would have known what it feels
like to look around and find your allies and backers
cowering anonymously in the trenches, or even standing beside your
opponent pointing you out for the artillery. And I think
that's exactly what happened to any of us know who's
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been on out on a limb big time. The nervous.
Nellie's always sort of, you know, kind of fall away.
And I think of this case, you know, for a
man who's had experience as a sub mariner and also
in navy on Takaho and all the all of that,
I was actually surprised that he allowed himself to go
out and be the stalking, of course, and it's just
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absolute nonsense to suggest you as a soul.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Ranger acting alone. There's interesting means going around on social
media about the press conference, the one minute press conference
afterwards and Mark Mitchell, who's very much the Prime Minister's minder,
giving I was going to say, giving Erica a bit
of a jab in the rib, saying move over. Ditto
for Chris Bishop. And I noted body language wise that
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when that press conference finished, Luxon was quick to pat
Mark Mitchell on the shoulder.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Well, Mark was very much. And there is a clique
that sits around around the Prime Minister and it includes
Mark Mitchell. You know, he's sort of a comely teddy bear,
but he's also a security contractor out of Iraq and
he is actually one tough cookie underneath. There's also Louise
Upston and Todd McLay. I would say they're basically the
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praetorian guard for the prime minister. They're very focused, they
are very loyal, they do get tested from time to time,
but they do fall in behind. You could contrast them
with PEP people who are I guess bred in the
blood politically only, and that would include obviously Nikola Willis,
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Erica Stanford and Chris Bishop. A large lump of their
careers has been in politics only they haven't actually been
out and held major roles in the private sector. Erica
did to some degree, but you know they do see
things politically.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
But as you would have observed.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
From them standing behind the Prime minister in the banquet hall,
they don't assemble very well. Chris Bishop is particularly bad
at that. He always has that sideways look at the
prime ministers if you can't quite believe what the Prime
Minister said, and Erica is much more poker face. But
you know they do need to learn to visually demonstrate loyalty,
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not just make works.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Now as head of business for end Z me on
a scale of I don't know one to ten, I
love scales. If you hadn't noticed, yes, I do love scales.
Where's the New Zealand business environments or economy sitting at
the moment. It's kind of it's almost on a precarious ledge,
isn't it.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Oh, Look it's been flat, but I think, you know,
like I've been to a number of business functions this week.
I went to a seminar Minter Allison had which is
a major corporate governance one they hold annually, and just
about every director in town with any sway was there
and very interesting. I mean people obviously it was on
the eve of the so called coup and they were
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obviously choking up the odds of who might be in charge.
There is some sense that all of this is enormous
distraction from getting on again. The economy is on the
verge of growth as you look at the figures that
have come out of the OECD projections earlier this week
going into twenty seven, and so you always get a
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little bit of disturbance around an election. People I think
would prefer to see a continuation of this government if
it could get it backed together in that three year terms.
You know, they introduced some certainty. There's a lot of
time for a new government to bed in, you know,
in the first year, and you really do need to
have a sizable period in government to get stuff done.
(08:18):
So and that's not being disrespectful to the other side
of politics. It's just saying people really would like to
plan with confidence. But however, I think what you are
seeing is quite a bit of eyes on at the stage.
Who are the king people in labor? Who do they
need to go and you know, make contact with Again,
there is a lot of briefing going on by people
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like Barbara Edmonds to the business community and she's been
hard at it really for the last two years up
in Auckland. She's there pretty much every week talking to
various boardroom groups and business meetings. And she was at
the Financial Services Council conference earlier in the week where
Nikola would have been as well if she had tied
up in the caucus meeting.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Okay, just to finish on, we all know how important
the primary sector is to the New Zealand economy. I
think this government under luxeen and to be fair to
Winston and Seymour, they're both very profarming as well. It's
essential that we remain so even if there is a
change of guard. Do you think Labor has softened its
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approach to farming A weather because they were brutal under
David Parker and Damian O'Connor.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Yes they were, and I'm sure that's the messaging they'll
take on board. The problem is also, of course they
will be in partnership one way or another with the Greens.
Obviously opportunity is also a player now. But I mean
what is really interesting and obviously they're all done in
christ Church today at the South Island election conference, and
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a lot of policies, as you mentioned, then being put
into the marketplace. I mean, essentially, you've got a two
tier economy and you've got the money if you like,
which came into the economy through dairy and all the rest.
A lot of that is floating around more in the
South Island then in the North Island. It's been totally different.
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You've got a two tier economy, much more growth in
the South Island, less unemployment, and so everyone has to
kind of balance that, and they have to balance it
against the fact that you know, we're still on difficult
times to come. We still may have to pay the
bill further on what's happening internationally with hor Moon and
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some pent up costs from all of that.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
All right, brand O Sullivan. Thanks for your time, Head
of Business for end ZB. I've got to go because
I've just got a text from the Prime Minister. I'm
free for the first time on news Talks, EDB, since
you know when it's the Prime minister after the break
in nineteen half the twelve here on the country for
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the first time since you know when the Prime Minister
appears on news talk, SAIDB. Christopher lux and welcome back,
and I'm still glad you got the job.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
Good to be with you, Jamie.
Speaker 6 (11:05):
How are you today?
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Well, we might talk about you know what a wee
bit later, but I want to talk about some of
the announcements you've made this morning at the South Island
election conference. There's some good stuff in there. For farming.
Federated Farmers have come out and said they're very pleased
about national standards for river gravel extraction and on farm quarries.
I'll come back to that one. But having spent a
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few days in Queenstown at the beginning of the week,
thank god you're doing something about the traffic there.
Speaker 6 (11:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
Look, I mean basically, you know, we're the only party
in town that has a minister for the South Island.
We're the only party today that's launched a plan for
the South Island. And what we want to say is, look,
you know it's a critical part of the big powerhouse
and a driver of the New Zealand economy and you
know we've got to get them behind and back that
growth and continue to accelerate that growth. And so yeah,
that's why we want to you know, we're putting some
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big focus on key infrastructure, putting about more support for
key industries, certainly a big focus on energy and also
line services, whether it's health and education.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
And you're trying to make life easier for farmers around
the river gravel extraction and the on farm quarries. And
we really do need to do something about the rival
river gravel extraction, get it right, because it's just causing
untold damage. We need to get some of that gravel
out of the rivers to stop them flooding.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
Absolutely, Jamie, and I think that's the point that's been made.
You know, I've seen it up close and you know
Ashburton was flooding there. I've seen it up in Tasman
as well, and you know across the country actually and
it's just like we've had these ridiculous regional council rules
that have just stopped common sense from coming through, and
you know, we just need more common sense in the place.
And so, you know, that's one of the things we
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heard directly from farmers. And you know a lot of
what we try and do is put policies together that
we actually hear directly from the people impacted by it.
And I think that's a really good move forward.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
The farmers have had battles, long running battles in many
cases with regional councils, particularly in the province that you're
in at the moment. How are you going, Well, how
are you and Shane Jones going getting rid of regional councils?
Speaker 5 (13:03):
Yeah, we now said before Christmas last year they're going
because we've got a new RMA that'll be law next
month and the benefit of that is that we expect
to have forty five percent less consent and we want
people to be able to use their property rights and
to be able to do what they need to do
with their property without interference from people who have no
interest in all, no impact on what they're doing. And
(13:24):
as part of that, it makes sense if you've got
a new resource management Planning Act. You need to simplify
the layer as a government, because all we've been doing
is shunting paper between each other and that's not leading
to getting things done and built, or people getting on
and growing their businesses and growing their farm businesses.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Is the timing of bit off with us? Wouldn't you
have been better to have done this after re winning
an election, because what happens if you lose. This has
all been a wasted effort.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Well, today we're down in christ Chech because you know,
the eight Chambers of Commerce have come together and I
actually really admire what they've done. They've come forward with
the manifest of what they think as a combined business
community across the South Islanders to know what they think
the South needs to do to continue to be the
powerhouse that it is in our economy. And you know
we're responding to that. And it's really great because you know,
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when eight counts, you know, eight change has come together
with a plan, you're not dealing with eight different views.
You're dealing with one single view of the South Island.
It's pretty clear. It's very much align with the things
that we want to do and it makes it easy
for us to partner with the South Island.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
I know you're a teetotaler, but do you think you'd
feel like pouring yourself a stiff gin tonight? Have you
had a tougher week in politics?
Speaker 5 (14:31):
Well, every week's a tough weeks in politics. It's been
a challenging one for sure. But look, you know we
dealt with our issue on Wednesday. We dealt with it
decisively as a team and you know the bottom lineers.
We come out of that pretty focused to say, look,
there's a lot of stake at the selection in November seventh,
and you know you've got an opposition that just wants
to spend more, tax more, borrow more. That's not the
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way forward for New Zealand. We've got to grow the
country and as a result, that makes life more affordable
and that sets it up better for our kids and
our grandcads. And that's a pretty start choice and that's
what we're focused on.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Does Mark mit Shall get danger money for being your minder?
Speaker 5 (15:06):
What do you need?
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Well, he's your minder, isn't he? What do you mean
that he's the protector?
Speaker 5 (15:14):
He's a great police minis there and he's a good mate.
And there's an example right there, you have it. Who
do you want to be Police Minister? And news elland
do you want it to be Martin Mitchell? Do you
want to be someone else? Who do you want to
be any Take any of my ministers on my front
bench and line them up against the opposition and I'm
telling you we've got a great team and we have
got some serious, common sense, hard working ministers that know
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how to take his own forward. And that's the only
option from his Zealand. Don't waste your party vote. Party
vote shapes governments and we need everyone to party vote national.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Hey, just a final word on law and order the
Opportunity Party and we're going to have Daniel eb On
their deputy leader next week on the show. People wanted
to hear their AG policy will find out what it is.
But this law and order policy, I think they may
have dumped it about not being how would it be
charged literally for anything until you're twenty five? What nonsense like?
Speaker 5 (16:05):
I mean, let's be clear whether you know it's Labor,
the Greens, Opportunity or whether it's to Party Mari all
those four parties are not a soft on law and
order and that was a big problem for this country
two and a half years ago. Mark Mitchell, myself, Paul Goldsmith,
we took that very seriously. We made a commitment to
the New Zealand people to restore law and order. Yes,
we've been tough on gangs. Yes, we've been making a
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message to young people about their rights and responsibilities. And
we've sent a message to our judges that they need
to be getting making sure the Senate seems reflect what
the crimes are. And so yes, we've smashed up the gangs.
And for the good news is we've got forty six
thousand fewer victims of violent crime, we've got twenty two
percent reduction and youth offending, and we've sent it. We've
just you know, we've actually given a hard caps as
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to how much judges can discount sences, so we don't
see some of the ridiculous situations we're seeing. So proud
of the progress we've made. And the other side, I'm
telling you that it's go back to where we were.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Christopher Luxan, Prime Minister once again or reconfirmed this week.
Thanks for your time. I'm looking forward to your speech
tonight the z B one hundredth Keep it short.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
I'm looking forward to I'll see you there, Javie.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
You take care, thank you.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
I do appreciate the time of the Prime Minister, Christopher
Lux and it has been a bugger of a week
for him, but he's got through it and maybe he's
come out the other end stronger. We're going to take
a break on the other side of it. Rhys Tarmanui,
the young guy from Waite Power and Central Hawk's Bay
who is the Young Butcher of the Year. That is
Meat Matters Week here on the Country. We conclude it
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with the young gun who's handy, pretty handy with the knife.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Meat Matters Week on the Country with PGG Rights and
Livestock the local knowledge and nationwide livestock expertise.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
It's Meat Matters Week here on the country. Thanks to
PGG Rights and Livestock for bringing it to us. And
we're going to conclude with the New Zealand Young Butcher
of the Year all the way from Wayitepower, Central Hawks Bay.
His name is Reese Tarmanui. And Reese, you're in the
big smoke today, as am I. Do you realize that
you're at the skytower and I'm at enz z e HQ.
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Were literally only a couple of hundred meters away. I
should have got you into the studio.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
Good afternoon, afternoon afternoon.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Hey, congratulations on winning this title. But it's not the
first national honors you've had. You've represented New Zealand before.
Speaker 7 (18:24):
Yeah, so it all started back in twenty twenty two.
I won the New Zealand Apprentice of the Year and
then that got me a ticket over.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
To do we need to get someone else on in
case in Paris. I'll let you sort that out. So
how does a young butcher from a remote place, so
I suppose why Pa was remote win a national title?
Speaker 7 (18:50):
A lot of behind the scenes hard work with the
crew there of the butchery. Just yeah, a lot of
time spent practicing and working away at the craft and
trying to get better every time. And yeah, just a
lot of hard work.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
So the championship was held last night on the North Shore.
Now to win it, you had to go through a
two hour test. You had to break break down a
beef rump, pork shoulder, lamb leg, two chickens, and a
mystery cut and a retail ready display of value added products.
What was the mystery cut?
Speaker 7 (19:26):
The mystery cut was a lamb loin, So just like
a whole online that airline chops out of.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Yeah, what is your favorite meat to work with?
Speaker 7 (19:35):
Reese favorite meat to work was probably either beef or pork.
I like breaking down beef. We do that at WAE Arbitary.
We break down all full carcass and stuff like that.
But pork's pretty fun to work with, especially with the
value added creativity sort of stuff. You can do a
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lot with it.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Now you not only receive a in a premium knife set,
and that's a tool of trade obviously for a butcher.
I must talk to you off air and get the
name of a decent knife because mine are hopeless at
my place. You also win a trip, don't you. Aren't
you off somewhere to represent New Zealand around the world.
Speaker 7 (20:17):
Yeah, So part of the prize package was a paid
trip over to the next World Championships, which is in
twenty twenty eight over in Brisbane. And then there's the
opportunity to be selected in the team. So I'm hoping
that I get selected in that and get to compete
over in Brislan.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Yes, so have you got designs on spreading your butchery
career beyond Central Hawks Bay? Are you just a local lad?
In there for life.
Speaker 7 (20:47):
Probably part of the furniture at this point. Really yeah,
recently bought a house in my power, so that sort
of answers that I guess, are you y Pa.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Was most famous sun now.
Speaker 8 (21:02):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (21:03):
Most people might tell you that, I'm not too sure.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Well listen, I know that you guys at the IPA
were butcher and thank you very much. Are avid listeners
to the country at lunch time, So your workmates back
home and Hawks Bay might be listening to you. Well,
I hope they are, hope, So I hope so he
Ress Tarmanui, congratulations on being the Packed Packaging Young Butcher
of the Year. Good luck representing New Zealand. And you
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just hold on the line there and I'm going to
ask you about how to get a sharp knife. There
we go. Ress Tarmanui, are here on the country, the
Young Butcher of the Year. Welcome back to the country.
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We're having a few technical issues if you haven't figured
that one out here in Auckland anyhow, I can't even
say operator era. Hey, it is twelve thirty, so we're
going to go to Rural News with Michelle and Dunedin
Andy McDonald Weekend Sport producer are with the sports news
and because at the moment we cannot take a break
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at all, which is probably good news for you listeners.
Well we'll go to our panels, so Stu Duncan and
Stue Low if you are listening, just be ready by
your phones. But here is Michelle Hopefully with Rural News,
the Country's.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
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Speaker 9 (22:52):
Thanks Jamie. All part of the job, the show must
go on. And in Rural News, of course you had
a chat to Reese Tarmanoe. What a great young man.
He was the winner of the Young Butcher of the Year.
But the other winners were a Cody Berbery from Pack
and Save Tiamutu. He won the ans Co Foods Butcher
Apprentice of the Year and the Foody Fighters who were
Luke Young at Callumsutherland and Bryce Guide won the Pure
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South Master Butcher Team's Challenge. And of course those first
two I think their prentice and of Reese head off
to the World Championship. We'll get a chance to get
another crack at that or for Rece it'll be a
second time there after being there as an apprentice. Another
rural news, a dairy farmer has launched a free app
that lets shoppers check their online grocery list to see
which local supermarket is the cheapest on the day. Check
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my Trolley is the latest grocery comparison tool to hit
the market as the cost of living continues to bite
into household budgets. Well Duff, the inventor of the app,
has said that people are surprised to learn he's behind
the new food price checking app when he tells them
what he does for a day job. Now he is
a farmer out here on the Tyree Plains. I believe Jamie.
So you might have come across them in your travels,
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but that's rural news. You can find more at the
Country dot co dot nz and don't forget to check
out the Country podcast on iHeart and His Andy was sport.
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Sport on the Country with AFCO one hundred percent key
we owned and trusted.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
That's rare, Yes, thanks Michelle.
Speaker 10 (24:12):
And In sports, Rugby World Cup winning coach Sir Steve
Hanson believes Richie Moong as All Blacks recallers.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
More about the future than the now.
Speaker 10 (24:20):
The playmaker will link up with the camp tomorrow and
Joe Burg after being whistled up to Replacementfield and Billy Procter,
despite the already being four contenders to don the number ten.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Jersey in the squad.
Speaker 10 (24:31):
Hansen Sy's getting to know the systems under new coach
Dave Rennie is a key factor in Mong's selection and
if the coaches are looking long term then it's a
good decision. And A bridging proposal to save next year's
Knipball Premiership has been presented to Nitble, New Zealand by
sporting entrepreneurpreneurs Ali Williams and Anna Mobray. The professional domestic
competition is intended to bridge the gap to a fully
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privatized twenty twenty eight league. That's sport Jamie.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Yeah, thanks Andy. It is twenty seven away from one.
As we say, we are having some technical issues right
across that network, I might add, so it's a nott
of aur making, which means we can't go to any
breaks to tee up people. So we're just just waiting
while and ETA's up of a panel and we're just
going to give you a wee bit of pet shop
boys and if I get really desperate, because before the
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end of their Murray Deaker and Barry Soper a couple
of old stages. But if I get really desperate, he's
sitting in the reserve seat there. He is the Rural
Broadcaster of the Year. He was anointed at the spates
Ale House in Hamilton during field days Riley Kennedy from
Business Desk and Riley and I are going to be
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on a bit of a North Island tour next week.
So it's Monday in Tauranga, Tuesday, Hamilton, Wednesday fung Ray
and then back to Auckland on the Thursday. I'll be
glad to get back home on Friday. But we've got
the z B one hundredths tonight. Andy McDonald's trying to
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tee up some of our panel, so I'll just keep talking.
I guess keep your feedback coming in on five double nine.
Some of you not so keen on John Key as
a prime minister. Look, a lot of people said he
didn't achieve much. He was a status quo prime minister.
But remember he also went through or started out his
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premiership and the GFC took over the GFC and then
he had to deal with the christ Church earthquake and
the cost of that rebuild. So we're just going to
pump up the pet shop boys and come back with
a panel. Okay, Andy McDonald doing a sterling job through
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the glass under extreme pressure, and I think we've got
the farmer panel. Stew Duncan and Stulow. Good afternoon lads.
Speaker 8 (27:05):
How are you still very good?
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Good to have you on now. Stulow, I know you've
played like ten thousand games for Canterbury and the Crusaders,
but it seriously is a real yawn when you guys
win the shield. And I know Steve Duncan and the
Manototo will agree with me. Does anyone actually care in Canterbury?
Speaker 8 (27:22):
Oh the aes we do, Yeah, very much. Look forward
to coming back to Sell Country last weekend. Really been
able to watch the game and watch the daughter play
at the hanover come across the mgaire Bridge and back
in Chell Country. So it's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Yeah, I don't know, Stu Duncan. It was good while
it was an Otago, to be perfectly honest with you,
and Otago had a long wait between drinks, well over
fifty years when they want it a few years ago.
But it's good in places like in the Cargo, New Plymouth.
I don't know, Napier. Wouldn't it be good to have
it in Timaru, like South Canterbury again or something like
(27:55):
that as it was in nineteen seventy four, or Marlborough.
Speaker 11 (27:59):
We guess they've got to play better, don't they.
Speaker 6 (28:01):
But you know, targar. But I'm lucky to lose it
and play that well.
Speaker 11 (28:04):
But it wasn't many points in it, and an intercept
or a tack, a goal and missed a couple of
kicks a goal and it could have.
Speaker 8 (28:09):
Stayed there and they wouldn't be having this chat. But yeah,
there was a big crowded to the evening.
Speaker 11 (28:14):
I missed too. He was off the park and on
the bus on the way back to Christ's Clothing, but
Big John Ladder told me he was coming up for a pair.
Would have shook his hand anyway. But that was a
good day down there, but a bit of a shame.
But it does have a massive impact on the small
we retal towns when it goes here, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Yeah. John Latter and Stu Low two great names from
the past, well in the past, actually not as old
as news talks there'd be. We're celebrating. We're blowing out
one hundred candles tonight, looking forward to that one. Okay,
I'll stay with Su Stu Duncan because I think Stu
low will be lambing. You'll be a couple of months
off lambing yet.
Speaker 11 (28:48):
Yeah, we've got our first day of pre lam sharing
today actually, so we're just doing the singles at the moment.
And here we start about the first of October to
the tenth of October before we start lamming. But we
had a beautiful day here. We would have follow and
you know they're sharing really well on the Wallsbury Bright,
so we're quite happy.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Strue Lowe, I know you are an early lamber in
North Canterbury there, but you've also had two knees replaced
this year. Have you retired from the lambing beat?
Speaker 6 (29:13):
Ah?
Speaker 8 (29:13):
Yeah all themselves. You're not sure. My hogits yesterday, So
I've only got a couple hundred hoggits. The landdowns a
couple of weeks time, so I've not been shorn, and
the older you under all tidy up and finished. So
I had the tailors here and the pill to help
the tailing, and yeah, then will be set. But yeah,
I've got the home homekill butcher here for They actually
(29:35):
doing a here for for the house. So talking about
red meat and a good butcher. So Harley Lang from Whitera,
he's he's doing a good job here.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Well, I bet you he's not as good as Rhys Tomanoui,
the young butcher of the Year from waipe Haw.
Speaker 8 (29:49):
He's a lot bitter shot than I was anyway.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Yeah, well, don't remind me of my butchering career and
pig killing. Yes, we once had a pig escape on
us halfway through the proces. It was very embarrassing. Eight
hundred meters later we caught the pig. Anyhow, I digress.
So stew lambing and there's going to be good money.
And we heard from Murray Roland down the road away
(30:14):
bit from you that lambs were selling at the Colgate
Stockyards for four hundred and sixty bucks.
Speaker 8 (30:20):
Yeah, yeah, I think there's some bloody cold studs that
Richard from as You had scored a few years back.
And yeah I saw his name pop up in lights here,
so you know, very well done. It must be a
very short supply in a sunny year.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
So yeah, well you've wanted them. They're almost hoggets, so
they're big lambs. But I reckon, I still reckon stew
the early lambs this year, you know, the ones that
the likes. So you get away and mid to late November,
they're going to be worth gold as well, aren't they hopefully?
Speaker 8 (30:53):
Yeah, because there was another beautiful sunny day here, and yeah,
we could do with some moisture. So and it doesn't
like we're going to give you so in the near future.
So yeah, all the lands that are getting borner, they're
getting a good start anyway.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Oh yeah, I used a scale for fren O'Sullivan Enzidny's
head of business, one to ten on a scale of
one to ten at this time of the year, and
I think, you know, knowing that you need some rains
over the winter to recharge the subst How dry are you, Stu.
How worried are you with the super al Nino on
the horizon?
Speaker 8 (31:24):
Yeah, no, very worried. Dames are all full and.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Sweet.
Speaker 8 (31:29):
The panic this morning that was in Kale and it's
and it's damp that time here. It's the moistures and
not that far down, I don't think so, Yeah we could. Yeah,
we're just going to hope for the best and playing
for the worst.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
I presume Stu, Duncan and the many are Toto. You're
very summer dry there, or often very summer dry, and
super al Nino is not going to be good news
for you either.
Speaker 11 (31:51):
Oh, some of the top top end country where we
get the snow, can get a bit of the noise
to rain that comes in, so it can be quite
good for a corner, but definitely out in the middle
of the plane and.
Speaker 8 (32:00):
To leave towards east of Targo and get dry.
Speaker 11 (32:01):
But we're in a great spot. Name we're quite wet actually,
and they've only really just started putting some of our
harbred hobbits on swedes because it's been too weak.
Speaker 8 (32:08):
To give them on there. So we're quite happy.
Speaker 11 (32:11):
But we just have to wait and see what happens,
and we don't know, so worry about that when it
gets you.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Okay, stew Dunk and Steelo Today's Farmer Panel, thanks for that, guys.
It is bang on. No it's not. It's nineteen away
from one. We can't take any breaks due to a
network issue. But whether the show must go on, as
Michelle said, so what we're going to do with luckily
You're very lucky out there in radio land that it's
the Pet Shop Boys. We can take a break. Not
(32:36):
my screen says we can't, but we can. We'll take
a break and come back on the other side of
it with yours Murray, Murray Deeca Well the producer Andy
McDonald's enjoying Pet Shop Boys Friday. This is a great song.
(32:59):
It's called Go West. Reminds me of my wonderful geography
teacher at Saint Peter's College, the late Mark Feebe, who
talked about go west, young man, another man who was
a teacher in a past life. As a next guest, yours, Murray,
Murray Decker, did you remember that famous saying was that
the was that the Chinese was that Malsay Tong saying
(33:21):
go west, young man.
Speaker 6 (33:23):
I don't know the age that I was. It was
go north, and we all went north because the jobs
were there, the money was there. I left auneed in
ninety end of nineteen sixty nine and have never gone back.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Well, you've been a jaff for ever since, Murray. Let's
be honest about that, right I have you?
Speaker 6 (33:42):
This was the little end of opportunity, you know. I
heard the other day somebody say that you know there
was negativity around Auckland. I've never been negative about this place.
It's been fantastic to me.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Well, that's good love the energy of it.
Speaker 6 (33:57):
I just loved the whole place.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Well, that's because you made so much money up here,
Murray and your radio shows selling biomags and ad libs.
Speaker 6 (34:06):
I don't live in a great, big brick house, Mary Hillmaker.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Well you what have if you'd stayed to need And
now the reason I've got you on the show today
is we're blowing out one. I'm looking forward to catching
up with you tonight. One hundred years for news talks
there'd be And I'm thinking, who's been around the longest
that I know? I know, Murray Deaker. And I did
hear you talking to Piney last weekend. That was just
great to hear that. Those dulcet tones again, Murray. I
(34:33):
really enjoyed it.
Speaker 6 (34:35):
And I enjoyed talking to him too, because he asked
the kind of questions that I did expect. I made
one very bad blue. He asked me what was happening
in Sport today that I didn't like? And sadly I
don't know why. I just did not come out with
a correct answer, and it's this. I'm so so disappointed
(34:58):
where rugby's gone. It used to be a match which
was played between two teams. Now the significant person in
rugby is not even on the field. He's called the TMO.
He stuffs up every game that takes place. The referee
can't even make a decision on his own. He stands
(35:18):
there looking at the television with two guys beside him,
and then this jaker called TMO, who we never see,
he makes the call. Now, rugby used to be decided
as a team game between two teams, and the dreadful
amount of pedantic refereeing that I've watched in the last
ten years has made me watch more league now than
(35:42):
I watch rugby.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Well, that's the danger for rugby in this country is
that the Warriors are now the biggest or the hottest
ticket in town, and there's more action in a league
game than a rugby game. I'm a bit like you,
So you're a great, a former great Otago lock forward?
Two games? Wasn't it Murray? That was two games? But
I know well, because I know a lot of people
(36:03):
who knew and knew you and played with you in
Dneed and you were a bit of a knuckleman before
you went up to Auckland for the money. But rugby
was a simpler game. And I think I reckon honestly
about the mid nineteen nineties. I'm showing my age here
when I first met you. Murray and the likes of
John Hart and Lorrie Mains had an all black teams,
(36:24):
and I think of that all Black side of nineteen
ninety six, so that's thirty years ago, and I think
that was rugby at its prime, because you know why
the Fords stayed in rucks. You might have had Josh
cron Felt hanging off. Other than that, it was seven
on seven in the backs and it was a better spectacle.
Speaker 6 (36:41):
It was an outstanding spectacle. And you are right to
highlight the nineteen ninety sixteen. I think Laurie did a
lot of the work towards that though, in getting the
All Blacks to the condition that he got them in,
and there was absolutely no doubt it should be highlighted that,
you know, the All Blacks poisoned before the final of
the Rugby World Cup. I was there doing the comments
(37:06):
for Graham Moody and I was watching people like Jeff
Wilson spewing on the sideline. Now, Laurie probably made a
mistake when he spoke about Suzi the waitress. I don't
know if there was a Suzi or not, but what
I do know is they were poisoned. The ninety five
team was a great team because of course it had
Jonah and that was something that we will never forget.
(37:29):
He's not reviewed as much in New Zealand and revered,
I mean as he is overseas. I was away recently
in France, in southern France, and I went into a
cafe cafe pub thing they do a lot of that,
and there on the wall was one of the biggest
(37:51):
murals I've ever seen, and it was Jonah, and the
French just loved him. He was something else. I think
there was a movie coming out with him on picturing him,
a docco and I'm looking forward to that.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Hey, Murray Deker, for people who haven't got long memories,
how do you go from a school teacher in Dunedin
to running a very very successful nationwide radio sports show.
Speaker 6 (38:18):
Well there's a gap in there too, because I formed
and ran the Foundation for Alcohol and Drug Education. I
did that from the end of the nineteen eighties to
in the beginning of the nineteen nineties. I went and
I told one man that I had had enough of
(38:39):
doing it because it's very tiring working in that field.
And this one guy had bought a pie factory. He
looked down as he was packing pies one day and
he saw the sign saying scoreboard presenter required, and he
thought PAS would do well at that, so he rang me.
(39:01):
I rang Bill for answers. He said, oh, Dix, I
thought you were dedicated to the alcohol and drug education
and therefore I didn't approach you. He had appointed another guy,
and from memory, the guy's name was Bill McCarthy and
he was from Wellington, and they were negotiating his salary,
(39:22):
and in the end the salary was so pathetic that
Bill turned it down. I had sat in a chair
filling in for an hour and a half one day
of the six hours that I used to do. And
after an hour and a half, I thought, of this guy, Bill,
what Wellington comes, I'll kill him.
Speaker 8 (39:41):
I knew it was me.
Speaker 6 (39:43):
I loved doing it, and you know I've said this
when I was talking to Piney and it's time it
was set again. I was lucky. I had the best
sports producer this country's ever seen, and he's the guy
who should have run Radio sport, but they didn't put
him in there because they was I felt that ZB
was more important. But Greg Villains made that show. You
(40:05):
were it bloody hard, but more than anything else, what
Greg had was flair and he wanted the thing to
do well. And I knew it had to do well
because at that stage, Jamie, you may remember, I was widowed.
I had three kids. To put the food on the table,
I was selling bio mags. I was doing all sorts
(40:26):
of things to keep the bread coming in for the
three kids, and I needed that job that I needed
to succeed, and fortunately it did well.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
It's not only biomegs you sold, Murray. You had lots
of wheatside hustles going and I always remember about because
my mind so I can talk, I'm driving and I
Suzu Mux seven seater. But you had the the Holden
from some outfit and north Shore Gee they got good mileage.
Speaker 6 (40:54):
OUI Schofield Holden and Narrow Newmarket.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Oh sorry, apologies, right side of the bridge.
Speaker 6 (41:00):
Now they don't have them anymore. But Schofield were a
wonderful supporter for me, and you know they've supported a
lot of people since Alisha Hoskin, who I did a
podcast with this year, she is driving a Skoda. The
gil Trapp family are fantastic beneficiaries of New Zealand sport
and New Zealand people. I was with Mike Hendrey playing
(41:22):
golf yesterday. I tried to get ahold of you to
take you up to Tiari, but you didn't answer the
phone because you were scaring it and beaten. And Mike
is sponsored by them as well. They've done a lot
of good work for a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Well, I want the late column gil Trappers now. Of course, Murray,
he's been a wonderful, benevolent benefactor. I probably shouldn't have
run those two words together for the IHC, and I'm
involved obviously with the IHC carf and rural scheme, and
he never wanted any fuss at all made about it,
but he was a huge contributor, a great New Zealander.
Speaker 6 (41:58):
I'll give me this too, is something just to bear
in mind about the way that company works. I introduced
Alisha Hoskin to them. She became an ambassadorious of them
just before Christmas this year, Richard Giltrap wind ahead and
I opened up my emails and here's a note from him. Murray,
(42:20):
thank you so much for introducing us to Alisha. She's
an outstanding young woman and we are pleased to be
helping her and we will continue to do so well.
You know, people used to do those things. Everybody used
to do things like that. What guel Traps are successful
for us because they have kept old fashioned values going.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Murray, you've still got it, Murray, yours great the chat,
I'll say it night, There we go, Murray Deeker. A
legend of news talks, they'd be blowing out one hundred
candles tonight. Another legend of news talks they'd be is
going to wrap the show, Barry Soper next on the country. Oh,
(43:09):
welcome back to the country, Andy McDonald doing a sterling
job under extreme pressure across the glass for me, Barry
Soper to wrap the country bears. Looking forward to having
a bear with you tonight at the ZB one hundred.
How many of those hundred years have you been on
the tools?
Speaker 4 (43:27):
Oh, thank you, Jamie. No, it was thirty years ago
this year that I started with News Talk ZP. So
it was a seventieth year. But it's incredible when you
think that you and I grew up with boor ZP
down South, and you know we've all known zedb all
our lives, so it's pretty extraordinary. Really. There's going to
(43:49):
be a very good crowd there tonight of former hosts,
current hosts, even Chris Laxon will be there as privy Well.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
I was going to ask you about that you've been
covering and Frano Sullivan and I talked about this. She
used to work for you in the press gallery at
the Beehive way back in the days were you've been
there since Smuldain. This would be one of the biggest
political balls ups in history, wouldn't it.
Speaker 4 (44:18):
Well, yeah, I look for a former military man Chris Pink,
you would think if he was organizing something that would
be done with a bit more precision than what it
was done with. But I think you've got to take
a head off to Chris Luckson for steering them down twice.
And that will be the end of it. Believe me, Jamie.
(44:39):
The side of the election, and I said on the
eve of the caucus meeting that he will stay. He'll
come out still as Prime minister, and guess what, I
was right. It's just not the organization, that's one thing,
but there's not the will I think to replace Chris Luckson.
(44:59):
You know, hard It's been a terrible time in government.
You couldn't have had it worse, taking over the books
and the shape they were. But I think now hopefully
you'll see the National Party solidifying and maybe who knows,
taking back the treasury benches.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
On November the time, Barry, I was listening to you
and Heather debating it, and I think she owes you
a couple of bottles of whiskey. She was convinced there
was going to be a change. The good oil was
there was going to be a change on Tuesday evening.
We woke up on Wednesday morning and all the whispers
were no Lux and Scott the numbers. What happened I've
got like one minute.
Speaker 4 (45:37):
Well not things fell over that people decided that it
wasn't a good idea and they should have thought about
this before. Even trying to hatch the coup to replace
a leader less than ninety days before an election is
patently absurd.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
Okay, Barry Soper, thank you very much for your time.
I know you're flat out. I'm hoping that, oh I
will catch you and Heather tonight z B one hundredth
looking forward to.
Speaker 4 (46:02):
It, look forward to it, Jomie for you.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Then there we go Barrie's Sofa wrapping the Country today.
Well well done Andy McDonald, Who is what are you doing?
What are you saying? Well, no, it was a trying situation.
It's a bit different with the producer on the other
side of the glass. But sorry for the network breakdown,
but we got there in the end and you've got
more of us and less commercials and probably happy days. Hey,
(46:26):
we'll catch you back on Monday from our Towerana Studios.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
Take care, catch all the latest from the land. It's
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
Keen Shason nottingdown Tea was in a restaurant in a
west End town. Call the police is a mad man
around running underground to a dive bar in the West End.
Good afternoon, New Zealand and welcome to the Country. I'm
(00:33):
Jamie McKay coming to you from the fair Auckland Mothership.
Really in, said me. Gee, this is a big place.
Pitch up boys Friday because producer today Andy McDonald, Piney's
producer on Weekend Sport, refused to play country music. So
here we go. Hey on the show today. We're waiting
patiently to maybe be the first show on news Talk,
(00:56):
said b to chat to the Prime Minister since you
know when he has been at the South Island election
conference this morning and he's come out with some good
policy or the NATS have for farming and also pleased
to see if that they're going to try and do
something about the traffic jam that is Queenstown these days.
But we're going to kick off the show because we're
(01:17):
up here for the ZB hundredths tonight with someone who
has had a long and distinguished career add Enz and
me in business journalism. That's fran O'Sullivan. Be interested to
get her take on what has been a very interesting week.
We're going to talk to Rees Tarmanui. He is the
young butcher from y Power in Central hawks Bay who
(01:37):
took out the big gong last night at the Butchery Awards.
Stu Duncan and Stulo's Today is Today's Farmer Panel. Once
in Canterbury the others in Otago are they talking to
each other? Probably not? After Canterbury stole the shield? What
are you Awned is going back to Canterbury? Murray Deeker
yours hopefully Murray He's been on ZB almost since day one,
(02:00):
been around that long. And Barry's soaper or Heather duplicy
l and one or the other before the end of
the hour. But let's kick off the show with fran O'Sullivan.
She is en z Edmee's his head of business. Fran
I introduced you by having a long and distinguished career
in business journalism. I hope you accept that compliment.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
I do, but I started in political journalism working for
Barry Soper back in the day when I think I
was the first employee in Parliament in nineteen eighty one.
So there you go.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
She well, Barry's been around, of course, hopefully we'll have
him on later in the show. He's been around since Muldoon.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Indeed, and so was I.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Well that ages is all that we can even remember
Rob Muldoon, Hey Fran. Just to get off track, I mean,
I know I've been following politics since I was a kid,
since Keith Holyoak and since Helen Clark. If had every
Prime Minister of the country as a regular guest on
my show. And if it comes to ranking them, because
you and I are of a similar generation, from Holyoak
(03:00):
through to Chris Luckson, Key is my best, followed by
Helen Clark, how would you write them?
Speaker 3 (03:06):
I would put it the other way round. And why
is because Helen Clark did Actually she was a reforming
prime minister together with Michael Cullen, and of course they
put in place can we savor the Cullen fun things
like that. Plus they did manage to get the government
account into good order. I think with Key what he
(03:28):
did though, was he took the country through a very
difficult period I mean he used to be jested about
by Bill English, the Finance minister at the time, as
the cheerleader in chief. But what he did was he
held the country's spirits up when we'd come through the
earthquakes and arrange and obviously the GFC, and it took
quite a long time to you know, kind of worm
(03:50):
our way out of that. But you know, both of
them different qualities, Helen Clark and also John Key, both
of them still intensely interested in politics, and both of
them commenting all the time.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Still well loves to comment about this week. What are
balls up from the National Party? Fran, What do you
make about it? You've been as you've been around a
long time.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
I think one of the interesting comments is in my
column for tomorrow is Steven Frank's put it this way,
basically that mister Pink would have known what it feels
like to look around and find your allies and backers
cowering anonymously in the trenches, or even standing beside your
opponent pointing you out for the artillery. And I think
that's exactly what happened to any of us know who's
(04:32):
been on out on a limb big time. The nervous.
Nellie's always sort of, you know, kind of fall away.
And I think of this case, you know, for a
man who's had experience as a sub mariner and also
in navy on Takaho and all the all of that,
I was actually surprised that he allowed himself to go
out and be the stalking, of course, and it's just
(04:55):
absolute nonsense to suggest you as a soul.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Ranger acting alone. There's interesting means going around on social
media about the press conference, the one minute press conference
afterwards and Mark Mitchell, who's very much the Prime Minister's minder,
giving I was going to say, giving Erica a bit
of a jab in the rib, saying move over. Ditto
for Chris Bishop. And I noted body language wise that
(05:20):
when that press conference finished, Luxon was quick to pat
Mark Mitchell on the shoulder.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Well, Mark was very much. And there is a clique
that sits around around the Prime Minister and it includes
Mark Mitchell. You know, he's sort of a comely teddy bear,
but he's also a security contractor out of Iraq and
he is actually one tough cookie underneath. There's also Louise
Upston and Todd McLay. I would say they're basically the
(05:47):
praetorian guard for the prime minister. They're very focused, they
are very loyal, they do get tested from time to time,
but they do fall in behind. You could contrast them
with PEP people who are I guess bred in the
blood politically only, and that would include obviously Nikola Willis,
(06:08):
Erica Stanford and Chris Bishop. A large lump of their
careers has been in politics only they haven't actually been
out and held major roles in the private sector. Erica
did to some degree, but you know they do see
things politically.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
But as you would have observed.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
From them standing behind the Prime minister in the banquet hall,
they don't assemble very well. Chris Bishop is particularly bad
at that. He always has that sideways look at the
prime ministers if you can't quite believe what the Prime
Minister said, and Erica is much more poker face. But
you know they do need to learn to visually demonstrate loyalty,
(06:47):
not just make works.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Now as head of business for end Z me on
a scale of I don't know one to ten, I
love scales. If you hadn't noticed, yes, I do love scales.
Where's the New Zealand business environments or economy sitting at
the moment. It's kind of it's almost on a precarious ledge,
isn't it.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Oh, Look it's been flat, but I think, you know,
like I've been to a number of business functions this week.
I went to a seminar Minter Allison had which is
a major corporate governance one they hold annually, and just
about every director in town with any sway was there
and very interesting. I mean people obviously it was on
the eve of the so called coup and they were
(07:33):
obviously choking up the odds of who might be in charge.
There is some sense that all of this is enormous
distraction from getting on again. The economy is on the
verge of growth as you look at the figures that
have come out of the OECD projections earlier this week
going into twenty seven, and so you always get a
(07:55):
little bit of disturbance around an election. People I think
would prefer to see a continuation of this government if
it could get it backed together in that three year terms.
You know, they introduced some certainty. There's a lot of
time for a new government to bed in, you know,
in the first year, and you really do need to
have a sizable period in government to get stuff done.
(08:18):
So and that's not being disrespectful to the other side
of politics. It's just saying people really would like to
plan with confidence. But however, I think what you are
seeing is quite a bit of eyes on at the stage.
Who are the king people in labor? Who do they
need to go and you know, make contact with Again,
there is a lot of briefing going on by people
(08:41):
like Barbara Edmonds to the business community and she's been
hard at it really for the last two years up
in Auckland. She's there pretty much every week talking to
various boardroom groups and business meetings. And she was at
the Financial Services Council conference earlier in the week where
Nikola would have been as well if she had tied
up in the caucus meeting.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Okay, just to finish on, we all know how important
the primary sector is to the New Zealand economy. I
think this government under luxeen and to be fair to
Winston and Seymour, they're both very profarming as well. It's
essential that we remain so even if there is a
change of guard. Do you think Labor has softened its
(09:23):
approach to farming A weather because they were brutal under
David Parker and Damian O'Connor.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Yes they were, and I'm sure that's the messaging they'll
take on board. The problem is also, of course they
will be in partnership one way or another with the Greens.
Obviously opportunity is also a player now. But I mean
what is really interesting and obviously they're all done in
christ Church today at the South Island election conference, and
(09:50):
a lot of policies, as you mentioned, then being put
into the marketplace. I mean, essentially, you've got a two
tier economy and you've got the money if you like,
which came into the economy through dairy and all the rest.
A lot of that is floating around more in the
South Island then in the North Island. It's been totally different.
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You've got a two tier economy, much more growth in
the South Island, less unemployment, and so everyone has to
kind of balance that, and they have to balance it
against the fact that you know, we're still on difficult
times to come. We still may have to pay the
bill further on what's happening internationally with hor Moon and
(10:31):
some pent up costs from all of that.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
All right, brand O Sullivan. Thanks for your time, Head
of Business for end ZB. I've got to go because
I've just got a text from the Prime Minister. I'm
free for the first time on news Talks, EDB, since
you know when it's the Prime minister after the break
in nineteen half the twelve here on the country for
(10:55):
the first time since you know when the Prime Minister
appears on news talk, SAIDB. Christopher lux and welcome back,
and I'm still glad you got the job.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
Good to be with you, Jamie.
Speaker 6 (11:05):
How are you today?
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Well, we might talk about you know what a wee
bit later, but I want to talk about some of
the announcements you've made this morning at the South Island
election conference. There's some good stuff in there. For farming.
Federated Farmers have come out and said they're very pleased
about national standards for river gravel extraction and on farm quarries.
I'll come back to that one. But having spent a
(11:28):
few days in Queenstown at the beginning of the week,
thank god you're doing something about the traffic there.
Speaker 6 (11:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
Look, I mean basically, you know, we're the only party
in town that has a minister for the South Island.
We're the only party today that's launched a plan for
the South Island. And what we want to say is, look,
you know it's a critical part of the big powerhouse
and a driver of the New Zealand economy and you
know we've got to get them behind and back that
growth and continue to accelerate that growth. And so yeah,
that's why we want to you know, we're putting some
(11:54):
big focus on key infrastructure, putting about more support for
key industries, certainly a big focus on energy and also
line services, whether it's health and education.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
And you're trying to make life easier for farmers around
the river gravel extraction and the on farm quarries. And
we really do need to do something about the rival
river gravel extraction, get it right, because it's just causing
untold damage. We need to get some of that gravel
out of the rivers to stop them flooding.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
Absolutely, Jamie, and I think that's the point that's been made.
You know, I've seen it up close and you know
Ashburton was flooding there. I've seen it up in Tasman
as well, and you know across the country actually and
it's just like we've had these ridiculous regional council rules
that have just stopped common sense from coming through, and
you know, we just need more common sense in the place.
And so, you know, that's one of the things we
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heard directly from farmers. And you know a lot of
what we try and do is put policies together that
we actually hear directly from the people impacted by it.
And I think that's a really good move forward.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
The farmers have had battles, long running battles in many
cases with regional councils, particularly in the province that you're
in at the moment. How are you going, Well, how
are you and Shane Jones going getting rid of regional councils?
Speaker 5 (13:03):
Yeah, we now said before Christmas last year they're going
because we've got a new RMA that'll be law next
month and the benefit of that is that we expect
to have forty five percent less consent and we want
people to be able to use their property rights and
to be able to do what they need to do
with their property without interference from people who have no
interest in all, no impact on what they're doing. And
(13:24):
as part of that, it makes sense if you've got
a new resource management Planning Act. You need to simplify
the layer as a government, because all we've been doing
is shunting paper between each other and that's not leading
to getting things done and built, or people getting on
and growing their businesses and growing their farm businesses.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Is the timing of bit off with us? Wouldn't you
have been better to have done this after re winning
an election, because what happens if you lose. This has
all been a wasted effort.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Well, today we're down in christ Chech because you know,
the eight Chambers of Commerce have come together and I
actually really admire what they've done. They've come forward with
the manifest of what they think as a combined business
community across the South Islanders to know what they think
the South needs to do to continue to be the
powerhouse that it is in our economy. And you know
we're responding to that. And it's really great because you know,
(14:09):
when eight counts, you know, eight change has come together
with a plan, you're not dealing with eight different views.
You're dealing with one single view of the South Island.
It's pretty clear. It's very much align with the things
that we want to do and it makes it easy
for us to partner with the South Island.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
I know you're a teetotaler, but do you think you'd
feel like pouring yourself a stiff gin tonight? Have you
had a tougher week in politics?
Speaker 5 (14:31):
Well, every week's a tough weeks in politics. It's been
a challenging one for sure. But look, you know we
dealt with our issue on Wednesday. We dealt with it
decisively as a team and you know the bottom lineers.
We come out of that pretty focused to say, look,
there's a lot of stake at the selection in November seventh,
and you know you've got an opposition that just wants
to spend more, tax more, borrow more. That's not the
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way forward for New Zealand. We've got to grow the
country and as a result, that makes life more affordable
and that sets it up better for our kids and
our grandcads. And that's a pretty start choice and that's
what we're focused on.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Does Mark mit Shall get danger money for being your minder?
Speaker 5 (15:06):
What do you need?
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Well, he's your minder, isn't he? What do you mean
that he's the protector?
Speaker 5 (15:14):
He's a great police minis there and he's a good mate.
And there's an example right there, you have it. Who
do you want to be Police Minister? And news elland
do you want it to be Martin Mitchell? Do you
want to be someone else? Who do you want to
be any Take any of my ministers on my front
bench and line them up against the opposition and I'm
telling you we've got a great team and we have
got some serious, common sense, hard working ministers that know
(15:36):
how to take his own forward. And that's the only
option from his Zealand. Don't waste your party vote. Party
vote shapes governments and we need everyone to party vote national.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Hey, just a final word on law and order the
Opportunity Party and we're going to have Daniel eb On
their deputy leader next week on the show. People wanted
to hear their AG policy will find out what it is.
But this law and order policy, I think they may
have dumped it about not being how would it be
charged literally for anything until you're twenty five? What nonsense like?
Speaker 5 (16:05):
I mean, let's be clear whether you know it's Labor,
the Greens, Opportunity or whether it's to Party Mari all
those four parties are not a soft on law and
order and that was a big problem for this country
two and a half years ago. Mark Mitchell, myself, Paul Goldsmith,
we took that very seriously. We made a commitment to
the New Zealand people to restore law and order. Yes,
we've been tough on gangs. Yes, we've been making a
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message to young people about their rights and responsibilities. And
we've sent a message to our judges that they need
to be getting making sure the Senate seems reflect what
the crimes are. And so yes, we've smashed up the gangs.
And for the good news is we've got forty six
thousand fewer victims of violent crime, we've got twenty two
percent reduction and youth offending, and we've sent it. We've
just you know, we've actually given a hard caps as
(16:47):
to how much judges can discount sences, so we don't
see some of the ridiculous situations we're seeing. So proud
of the progress we've made. And the other side, I'm
telling you that it's go back to where we were.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Christopher Luxan, Prime Minister once again or reconfirmed this week.
Thanks for your time. I'm looking forward to your speech
tonight the z B one hundredth Keep it short.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
I'm looking forward to I'll see you there, Javie.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
You take care, thank you.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
I do appreciate the time of the Prime Minister, Christopher
Lux and it has been a bugger of a week
for him, but he's got through it and maybe he's
come out the other end stronger. We're going to take
a break on the other side of it. Rhys Tarmanui,
the young guy from Waite Power and Central Hawk's Bay
who is the Young Butcher of the Year. That is
Meat Matters Week here on the Country. We conclude it
(17:31):
with the young gun who's handy, pretty handy with the knife.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Meat Matters Week on the Country with PGG Rights and
Livestock the local knowledge and nationwide livestock expertise.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
It's Meat Matters Week here on the country. Thanks to
PGG Rights and Livestock for bringing it to us. And
we're going to conclude with the New Zealand Young Butcher
of the Year all the way from Wayitepower, Central Hawks Bay.
His name is Reese Tarmanui. And Reese, you're in the
big smoke today, as am I. Do you realize that
you're at the skytower and I'm at enz z e HQ.
(18:10):
Were literally only a couple of hundred meters away. I
should have got you into the studio.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
Good afternoon, afternoon afternoon.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Hey, congratulations on winning this title. But it's not the
first national honors you've had. You've represented New Zealand before.
Speaker 7 (18:24):
Yeah, so it all started back in twenty twenty two.
I won the New Zealand Apprentice of the Year and
then that got me a ticket over.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
To do we need to get someone else on in
case in Paris. I'll let you sort that out. So
how does a young butcher from a remote place, so
I suppose why Pa was remote win a national title?
Speaker 7 (18:50):
A lot of behind the scenes hard work with the
crew there of the butchery. Just yeah, a lot of
time spent practicing and working away at the craft and
trying to get better every time. And yeah, just a
lot of hard work.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
So the championship was held last night on the North Shore.
Now to win it, you had to go through a
two hour test. You had to break break down a
beef rump, pork shoulder, lamb leg, two chickens, and a
mystery cut and a retail ready display of value added products.
What was the mystery cut?
Speaker 7 (19:26):
The mystery cut was a lamb loin, So just like
a whole online that airline chops out of.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Yeah, what is your favorite meat to work with?
Speaker 7 (19:35):
Reese favorite meat to work was probably either beef or pork.
I like breaking down beef. We do that at WAE Arbitary.
We break down all full carcass and stuff like that.
But pork's pretty fun to work with, especially with the
value added creativity sort of stuff. You can do a
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lot with it.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Now you not only receive a in a premium knife set,
and that's a tool of trade obviously for a butcher.
I must talk to you off air and get the
name of a decent knife because mine are hopeless at
my place. You also win a trip, don't you. Aren't
you off somewhere to represent New Zealand around the world.
Speaker 7 (20:17):
Yeah, So part of the prize package was a paid
trip over to the next World Championships, which is in
twenty twenty eight over in Brisbane. And then there's the
opportunity to be selected in the team. So I'm hoping
that I get selected in that and get to compete
over in Brislan.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Yes, so have you got designs on spreading your butchery
career beyond Central Hawks Bay? Are you just a local lad?
In there for life.
Speaker 7 (20:47):
Probably part of the furniture at this point. Really yeah,
recently bought a house in my power, so that sort
of answers that I guess, are you y Pa.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Was most famous sun now.
Speaker 8 (21:02):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (21:03):
Most people might tell you that, I'm not too sure.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Well listen, I know that you guys at the IPA
were butcher and thank you very much. Are avid listeners
to the country at lunch time, So your workmates back
home and Hawks Bay might be listening to you. Well,
I hope they are, hope, So I hope so he
Ress Tarmanui, congratulations on being the Packed Packaging Young Butcher
of the Year. Good luck representing New Zealand. And you
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just hold on the line there and I'm going to
ask you about how to get a sharp knife. There
we go. Ress Tarmanui, are here on the country, the
Young Butcher of the Year. Welcome back to the country.
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We're having a few technical issues if you haven't figured
that one out here in Auckland anyhow, I can't even
say operator era. Hey, it is twelve thirty, so we're
going to go to Rural News with Michelle and Dunedin
Andy McDonald Weekend Sport producer are with the sports news
and because at the moment we cannot take a break
(22:26):
at all, which is probably good news for you listeners.
Well we'll go to our panels, so Stu Duncan and
Stue Low if you are listening, just be ready by
your phones. But here is Michelle Hopefully with Rural News,
the Country's.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
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your local stockist.
Speaker 9 (22:52):
Thanks Jamie. All part of the job, the show must
go on. And in Rural News, of course you had
a chat to Reese Tarmanoe. What a great young man.
He was the winner of the Young Butcher of the Year.
But the other winners were a Cody Berbery from Pack
and Save Tiamutu. He won the ans Co Foods Butcher
Apprentice of the Year and the Foody Fighters who were
Luke Young at Callumsutherland and Bryce Guide won the Pure
(23:14):
South Master Butcher Team's Challenge. And of course those first
two I think their prentice and of Reese head off
to the World Championship. We'll get a chance to get
another crack at that or for Rece it'll be a
second time there after being there as an apprentice. Another
rural news, a dairy farmer has launched a free app
that lets shoppers check their online grocery list to see
which local supermarket is the cheapest on the day. Check
(23:36):
my Trolley is the latest grocery comparison tool to hit
the market as the cost of living continues to bite
into household budgets. Well Duff, the inventor of the app,
has said that people are surprised to learn he's behind
the new food price checking app when he tells them
what he does for a day job. Now he is
a farmer out here on the Tyree Plains. I believe Jamie.
So you might have come across them in your travels,
(23:57):
but that's rural news. You can find more at the
Country dot co dot nz and don't forget to check
out the Country podcast on iHeart and His Andy was sport.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Sport on the Country with AFCO one hundred percent key
we owned and trusted.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
That's rare, Yes, thanks Michelle.
Speaker 10 (24:12):
And In sports, Rugby World Cup winning coach Sir Steve
Hanson believes Richie Moong as All Blacks recallers.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
More about the future than the now.
Speaker 10 (24:20):
The playmaker will link up with the camp tomorrow and
Joe Burg after being whistled up to Replacementfield and Billy Procter,
despite the already being four contenders to don the number ten.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Jersey in the squad.
Speaker 10 (24:31):
Hansen Sy's getting to know the systems under new coach
Dave Rennie is a key factor in Mong's selection and
if the coaches are looking long term then it's a
good decision. And A bridging proposal to save next year's
Knipball Premiership has been presented to Nitble, New Zealand by
sporting entrepreneurpreneurs Ali Williams and Anna Mobray. The professional domestic
competition is intended to bridge the gap to a fully
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privatized twenty twenty eight league. That's sport Jamie.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Yeah, thanks Andy. It is twenty seven away from one.
As we say, we are having some technical issues right
across that network, I might add, so it's a nott
of aur making, which means we can't go to any
breaks to tee up people. So we're just just waiting
while and ETA's up of a panel and we're just
going to give you a wee bit of pet shop
boys and if I get really desperate, because before the
(25:19):
end of their Murray Deaker and Barry Soper a couple
of old stages. But if I get really desperate, he's
sitting in the reserve seat there. He is the Rural
Broadcaster of the Year. He was anointed at the spates
Ale House in Hamilton during field days Riley Kennedy from
Business Desk and Riley and I are going to be
(25:39):
on a bit of a North Island tour next week.
So it's Monday in Tauranga, Tuesday, Hamilton, Wednesday fung Ray
and then back to Auckland on the Thursday. I'll be
glad to get back home on Friday. But we've got
the z B one hundredths tonight. Andy McDonald's trying to
(26:00):
tee up some of our panel, so I'll just keep talking.
I guess keep your feedback coming in on five double nine.
Some of you not so keen on John Key as
a prime minister. Look, a lot of people said he
didn't achieve much. He was a status quo prime minister.
But remember he also went through or started out his
(26:23):
premiership and the GFC took over the GFC and then
he had to deal with the christ Church earthquake and
the cost of that rebuild. So we're just going to
pump up the pet shop boys and come back with
a panel. Okay, Andy McDonald doing a sterling job through
(26:59):
the glass under extreme pressure, and I think we've got
the farmer panel. Stew Duncan and Stulow. Good afternoon lads.
Speaker 8 (27:05):
How are you still very good?
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Good to have you on now. Stulow, I know you've
played like ten thousand games for Canterbury and the Crusaders,
but it seriously is a real yawn when you guys
win the shield. And I know Steve Duncan and the
Manototo will agree with me. Does anyone actually care in Canterbury?
Speaker 8 (27:22):
Oh the aes we do, Yeah, very much. Look forward
to coming back to Sell Country last weekend. Really been
able to watch the game and watch the daughter play
at the hanover come across the mgaire Bridge and back
in Chell Country. So it's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Yeah, I don't know, Stu Duncan. It was good while
it was an Otago, to be perfectly honest with you,
and Otago had a long wait between drinks, well over
fifty years when they want it a few years ago.
But it's good in places like in the Cargo, New Plymouth.
I don't know, Napier. Wouldn't it be good to have
it in Timaru, like South Canterbury again or something like
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that as it was in nineteen seventy four, or Marlborough.
Speaker 11 (27:59):
We guess they've got to play better, don't they.
Speaker 6 (28:01):
But you know, targar. But I'm lucky to lose it
and play that well.
Speaker 11 (28:04):
But it wasn't many points in it, and an intercept
or a tack, a goal and missed a couple of
kicks a goal and it could have.
Speaker 8 (28:09):
Stayed there and they wouldn't be having this chat. But yeah,
there was a big crowded to the evening.
Speaker 11 (28:14):
I missed too. He was off the park and on
the bus on the way back to Christ's Clothing, but
Big John Ladder told me he was coming up for a pair.
Would have shook his hand anyway. But that was a
good day down there, but a bit of a shame.
But it does have a massive impact on the small
we retal towns when it goes here, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Yeah. John Latter and Stu Low two great names from
the past, well in the past, actually not as old
as news talks there'd be. We're celebrating. We're blowing out
one hundred candles tonight, looking forward to that one. Okay,
I'll stay with Su Stu Duncan because I think Stu
low will be lambing. You'll be a couple of months
off lambing yet.
Speaker 11 (28:48):
Yeah, we've got our first day of pre lam sharing
today actually, so we're just doing the singles at the moment.
And here we start about the first of October to
the tenth of October before we start lamming. But we
had a beautiful day here. We would have follow and
you know they're sharing really well on the Wallsbury Bright,
so we're quite happy.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Strue Lowe, I know you are an early lamber in
North Canterbury there, but you've also had two knees replaced
this year. Have you retired from the lambing beat?
Speaker 6 (29:13):
Ah?
Speaker 8 (29:13):
Yeah all themselves. You're not sure. My hogits yesterday, So
I've only got a couple hundred hoggits. The landdowns a
couple of weeks time, so I've not been shorn, and
the older you under all tidy up and finished. So
I had the tailors here and the pill to help
the tailing, and yeah, then will be set. But yeah,
I've got the home homekill butcher here for They actually
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doing a here for for the house. So talking about
red meat and a good butcher. So Harley Lang from Whitera,
he's he's doing a good job here.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Well, I bet you he's not as good as Rhys Tomanoui,
the young butcher of the Year from waipe Haw.
Speaker 8 (29:49):
He's a lot bitter shot than I was anyway.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Yeah, well, don't remind me of my butchering career and
pig killing. Yes, we once had a pig escape on
us halfway through the proces. It was very embarrassing. Eight
hundred meters later we caught the pig. Anyhow, I digress.
So stew lambing and there's going to be good money.
And we heard from Murray Roland down the road away
(30:14):
bit from you that lambs were selling at the Colgate
Stockyards for four hundred and sixty bucks.
Speaker 8 (30:20):
Yeah, yeah, I think there's some bloody cold studs that
Richard from as You had scored a few years back.
And yeah I saw his name pop up in lights here,
so you know, very well done. It must be a
very short supply in a sunny year.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
So yeah, well you've wanted them. They're almost hoggets, so
they're big lambs. But I reckon, I still reckon stew
the early lambs this year, you know, the ones that
the likes. So you get away and mid to late November,
they're going to be worth gold as well, aren't they hopefully?
Speaker 8 (30:53):
Yeah, because there was another beautiful sunny day here, and yeah,
we could do with some moisture. So and it doesn't
like we're going to give you so in the near future.
So yeah, all the lands that are getting borner, they're
getting a good start anyway.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Oh yeah, I used a scale for fren O'Sullivan Enzidny's
head of business, one to ten on a scale of
one to ten at this time of the year, and
I think, you know, knowing that you need some rains
over the winter to recharge the subst How dry are you, Stu.
How worried are you with the super al Nino on
the horizon?
Speaker 8 (31:24):
Yeah, no, very worried. Dames are all full and.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Sweet.
Speaker 8 (31:29):
The panic this morning that was in Kale and it's
and it's damp that time here. It's the moistures and
not that far down, I don't think so, Yeah we could. Yeah,
we're just going to hope for the best and playing
for the worst.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
I presume Stu, Duncan and the many are Toto. You're
very summer dry there, or often very summer dry, and
super al Nino is not going to be good news
for you either.
Speaker 11 (31:51):
Oh, some of the top top end country where we
get the snow, can get a bit of the noise
to rain that comes in, so it can be quite
good for a corner, but definitely out in the middle
of the plane and.
Speaker 8 (32:00):
To leave towards east of Targo and get dry.
Speaker 11 (32:01):
But we're in a great spot. Name we're quite wet actually,
and they've only really just started putting some of our
harbred hobbits on swedes because it's been too weak.
Speaker 8 (32:08):
To give them on there. So we're quite happy.
Speaker 11 (32:11):
But we just have to wait and see what happens,
and we don't know, so worry about that when it
gets you.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Okay, stew Dunk and Steelo Today's Farmer Panel, thanks for that, guys.
It is bang on. No it's not. It's nineteen away
from one. We can't take any breaks due to a
network issue. But whether the show must go on, as
Michelle said, so what we're going to do with luckily
You're very lucky out there in radio land that it's
the Pet Shop Boys. We can take a break. Not
(32:36):
my screen says we can't, but we can. We'll take
a break and come back on the other side of
it with yours Murray, Murray Deeca Well the producer Andy
McDonald's enjoying Pet Shop Boys Friday. This is a great song.
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It's called Go West. Reminds me of my wonderful geography
teacher at Saint Peter's College, the late Mark Feebe, who
talked about go west, young man, another man who was
a teacher in a past life. As a next guest, yours, Murray,
Murray Decker, did you remember that famous saying was that
the was that the Chinese was that Malsay Tong saying
(33:21):
go west, young man.
Speaker 6 (33:23):
I don't know the age that I was. It was
go north, and we all went north because the jobs
were there, the money was there. I left auneed in
ninety end of nineteen sixty nine and have never gone back.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Well, you've been a jaff for ever since, Murray. Let's
be honest about that, right I have you?
Speaker 6 (33:42):
This was the little end of opportunity, you know. I
heard the other day somebody say that you know there
was negativity around Auckland. I've never been negative about this place.
It's been fantastic to me.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Well, that's good love the energy of it.
Speaker 6 (33:57):
I just loved the whole place.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Well, that's because you made so much money up here,
Murray and your radio shows selling biomags and ad libs.
Speaker 6 (34:06):
I don't live in a great, big brick house, Mary Hillmaker.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Well you what have if you'd stayed to need And
now the reason I've got you on the show today
is we're blowing out one. I'm looking forward to catching
up with you tonight. One hundred years for news talks
there'd be And I'm thinking, who's been around the longest
that I know? I know, Murray Deaker. And I did
hear you talking to Piney last weekend. That was just
great to hear that. Those dulcet tones again, Murray. I
(34:33):
really enjoyed it.
Speaker 6 (34:35):
And I enjoyed talking to him too, because he asked
the kind of questions that I did expect. I made
one very bad blue. He asked me what was happening
in Sport today that I didn't like? And sadly I
don't know why. I just did not come out with
a correct answer, and it's this. I'm so so disappointed
(34:58):
where rugby's gone. It used to be a match which
was played between two teams. Now the significant person in
rugby is not even on the field. He's called the TMO.
He stuffs up every game that takes place. The referee
can't even make a decision on his own. He stands
(35:18):
there looking at the television with two guys beside him,
and then this jaker called TMO, who we never see,
he makes the call. Now, rugby used to be decided
as a team game between two teams, and the dreadful
amount of pedantic refereeing that I've watched in the last
ten years has made me watch more league now than
(35:42):
I watch rugby.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Well, that's the danger for rugby in this country is
that the Warriors are now the biggest or the hottest
ticket in town, and there's more action in a league
game than a rugby game. I'm a bit like you,
So you're a great, a former great Otago lock forward?
Two games? Wasn't it Murray? That was two games? But
I know well, because I know a lot of people
(36:03):
who knew and knew you and played with you in
Dneed and you were a bit of a knuckleman before
you went up to Auckland for the money. But rugby
was a simpler game. And I think I reckon honestly
about the mid nineteen nineties. I'm showing my age here
when I first met you. Murray and the likes of
John Hart and Lorrie Mains had an all black teams,
(36:24):
and I think of that all Black side of nineteen
ninety six, so that's thirty years ago, and I think
that was rugby at its prime, because you know why
the Fords stayed in rucks. You might have had Josh
cron Felt hanging off. Other than that, it was seven
on seven in the backs and it was a better spectacle.
Speaker 6 (36:41):
It was an outstanding spectacle. And you are right to
highlight the nineteen ninety sixteen. I think Laurie did a
lot of the work towards that though, in getting the
All Blacks to the condition that he got them in,
and there was absolutely no doubt it should be highlighted that,
you know, the All Blacks poisoned before the final of
the Rugby World Cup. I was there doing the comments
(37:06):
for Graham Moody and I was watching people like Jeff
Wilson spewing on the sideline. Now, Laurie probably made a
mistake when he spoke about Suzi the waitress. I don't
know if there was a Suzi or not, but what
I do know is they were poisoned. The ninety five
team was a great team because of course it had
Jonah and that was something that we will never forget.
(37:29):
He's not reviewed as much in New Zealand and revered,
I mean as he is overseas. I was away recently
in France, in southern France, and I went into a
cafe cafe pub thing they do a lot of that,
and there on the wall was one of the biggest
(37:51):
murals I've ever seen, and it was Jonah, and the
French just loved him. He was something else. I think
there was a movie coming out with him on picturing him,
a docco and I'm looking forward to that.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Hey, Murray Deker, for people who haven't got long memories,
how do you go from a school teacher in Dunedin
to running a very very successful nationwide radio sports show.
Speaker 6 (38:18):
Well there's a gap in there too, because I formed
and ran the Foundation for Alcohol and Drug Education. I
did that from the end of the nineteen eighties to
in the beginning of the nineteen nineties. I went and
I told one man that I had had enough of
(38:39):
doing it because it's very tiring working in that field.
And this one guy had bought a pie factory. He
looked down as he was packing pies one day and
he saw the sign saying scoreboard presenter required, and he
thought PAS would do well at that, so he rang me.
(39:01):
I rang Bill for answers. He said, oh, Dix, I
thought you were dedicated to the alcohol and drug education
and therefore I didn't approach you. He had appointed another guy,
and from memory, the guy's name was Bill McCarthy and
he was from Wellington, and they were negotiating his salary,
(39:22):
and in the end the salary was so pathetic that
Bill turned it down. I had sat in a chair
filling in for an hour and a half one day
of the six hours that I used to do. And
after an hour and a half, I thought, of this guy, Bill,
what Wellington comes, I'll kill him.
Speaker 8 (39:41):
I knew it was me.
Speaker 6 (39:43):
I loved doing it, and you know I've said this
when I was talking to Piney and it's time it
was set again. I was lucky. I had the best
sports producer this country's ever seen, and he's the guy
who should have run Radio sport, but they didn't put
him in there because they was I felt that ZB
was more important. But Greg Villains made that show. You
(40:05):
were it bloody hard, but more than anything else, what
Greg had was flair and he wanted the thing to
do well. And I knew it had to do well
because at that stage, Jamie, you may remember, I was widowed.
I had three kids. To put the food on the table,
I was selling bio mags. I was doing all sorts
(40:26):
of things to keep the bread coming in for the
three kids, and I needed that job that I needed
to succeed, and fortunately it did well.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
It's not only biomegs you sold, Murray. You had lots
of wheatside hustles going and I always remember about because
my mind so I can talk, I'm driving and I
Suzu Mux seven seater. But you had the the Holden
from some outfit and north Shore Gee they got good mileage.
Speaker 6 (40:54):
OUI Schofield Holden and Narrow Newmarket.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Oh sorry, apologies, right side of the bridge.
Speaker 6 (41:00):
Now they don't have them anymore. But Schofield were a
wonderful supporter for me, and you know they've supported a
lot of people since Alisha Hoskin, who I did a
podcast with this year, she is driving a Skoda. The
gil Trapp family are fantastic beneficiaries of New Zealand sport
and New Zealand people. I was with Mike Hendrey playing
(41:22):
golf yesterday. I tried to get ahold of you to
take you up to Tiari, but you didn't answer the
phone because you were scaring it and beaten. And Mike
is sponsored by them as well. They've done a lot
of good work for a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Well, I want the late column gil Trappers now. Of course, Murray,
he's been a wonderful, benevolent benefactor. I probably shouldn't have
run those two words together for the IHC, and I'm
involved obviously with the IHC carf and rural scheme, and
he never wanted any fuss at all made about it,
but he was a huge contributor, a great New Zealander.
Speaker 6 (41:58):
I'll give me this too, is something just to bear
in mind about the way that company works. I introduced
Alisha Hoskin to them. She became an ambassadorious of them
just before Christmas this year, Richard Giltrap wind ahead and
I opened up my emails and here's a note from him. Murray,
(42:20):
thank you so much for introducing us to Alisha. She's
an outstanding young woman and we are pleased to be
helping her and we will continue to do so well.
You know, people used to do those things. Everybody used
to do things like that. What guel Traps are successful
for us because they have kept old fashioned values going.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Murray, you've still got it, Murray, yours great the chat,
I'll say it night, There we go, Murray Deeker. A
legend of news talks, they'd be blowing out one hundred
candles tonight. Another legend of news talks they'd be is
going to wrap the show, Barry Soper next on the country. Oh,
(43:09):
welcome back to the country, Andy McDonald doing a sterling
job under extreme pressure across the glass for me, Barry
Soper to wrap the country bears. Looking forward to having
a bear with you tonight at the ZB one hundred.
How many of those hundred years have you been on
the tools?
Speaker 4 (43:27):
Oh, thank you, Jamie. No, it was thirty years ago
this year that I started with News Talk ZP. So
it was a seventieth year. But it's incredible when you
think that you and I grew up with boor ZP
down South, and you know we've all known zedb all
our lives, so it's pretty extraordinary. Really. There's going to
(43:49):
be a very good crowd there tonight of former hosts,
current hosts, even Chris Laxon will be there as privy Well.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
I was going to ask you about that you've been
covering and Frano Sullivan and I talked about this. She
used to work for you in the press gallery at
the Beehive way back in the days were you've been
there since Smuldain. This would be one of the biggest
political balls ups in history, wouldn't it.
Speaker 4 (44:18):
Well, yeah, I look for a former military man Chris Pink,
you would think if he was organizing something that would
be done with a bit more precision than what it
was done with. But I think you've got to take
a head off to Chris Luckson for steering them down twice.
And that will be the end of it. Believe me, Jamie.
(44:39):
The side of the election, and I said on the
eve of the caucus meeting that he will stay. He'll
come out still as Prime minister, and guess what, I
was right. It's just not the organization, that's one thing,
but there's not the will I think to replace Chris Luckson.
(44:59):
You know, hard It's been a terrible time in government.
You couldn't have had it worse, taking over the books
and the shape they were. But I think now hopefully
you'll see the National Party solidifying and maybe who knows,
taking back the treasury benches.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
On November the time, Barry, I was listening to you
and Heather debating it, and I think she owes you
a couple of bottles of whiskey. She was convinced there
was going to be a change. The good oil was
there was going to be a change on Tuesday evening.
We woke up on Wednesday morning and all the whispers
were no Lux and Scott the numbers. What happened I've
got like one minute.
Speaker 4 (45:37):
Well not things fell over that people decided that it
wasn't a good idea and they should have thought about
this before. Even trying to hatch the coup to replace
a leader less than ninety days before an election is
patently absurd.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
Okay, Barry Soper, thank you very much for your time.
I know you're flat out. I'm hoping that, oh I
will catch you and Heather tonight z B one hundredth
looking forward to.
Speaker 4 (46:02):
It, look forward to it, Jomie for you.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Then there we go Barrie's Sofa wrapping the Country today.
Well well done Andy McDonald, Who is what are you doing?
What are you saying? Well, no, it was a trying situation.
It's a bit different with the producer on the other
side of the glass. But sorry for the network breakdown,
but we got there in the end and you've got
more of us and less commercials and probably happy days. Hey,
(46:26):
we'll catch you back on Monday from our Towerana Studios.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
Take care, catch all the latest from the land. It's
the Country podcast with Jamie McKay and the Iszuzu mux Suv,
backed by a six year warranty.
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