May 17, 2026 • 38 mins
Jamie Mackay talks to David Seymour, Tom Young, Dom Jones, and P J Montgomery.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Catch you're the latest from the Land. It's the Country
Podcast with Jamie McKay thanks to Farmland's Better Drenched Plans
and better heard health start here.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Sure that I was born to get a New Zealand.
(00:37):
Welcome to the Country. I'm Jamie McKay. Deuta Gudrum. How
does a Nazzie get into the Eurovision Song contest? Anyhow close?
But no cigar? Are the Deputy Prime ministers kicking off
the show today, David Semur. I don't think he's too
impressed by Winston's plan to buy the ben Zi. We're
going to talk about lamb cracking the twelve dollar per
(00:58):
kilogram barrier. Yeah. Tom Young joins a South Coast national
livestock manager. They've got a contract out there at an
excess of twelve dollars per kilogram. That's rarefied here. I
don't think we've been there before. We're also going to
have a look at the Kiwi fruit industry with you.
Dom Jones, Managing director of Origin Capital Partners. They're are
(01:19):
Keywi fruit growing is syndicate a really good season. It's
going really well. There's only the green left to harvest.
Everything else is in the pack houses. I'm told Phil
Duncan on the weather, Look, how worried should we be
about the super al Nino that's coming. Maybe if you're
in some of the drier parts of the east coast
(01:41):
of both islands, you might need to worry. We'll ask
Phil Duncan about that one. And earlier this morning I
got a phone call from a block I hadn't spoken
to for three or four years, an iconic New Zealander
who listens into the show. Really appreciate that, and he
wanted to know how things went and Lawrence. On Saturday Night,
for the Century Farman Station Awards, thirty six farms were
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recognized for family ownership of more than one hundred years,
one of them, believe it or not, for one hundred
and eighty seven years. We're going to go not back
in time, but talk to an iconic Kiwi who listens
to the show. We appreciate every listener. Every listener is
a prisoner anyhow. David Seymour to kick off the country.
(02:49):
He is the act party leader and Deputy Prime Minister
as predecessor in the Deputy PM role, wants to buy
the ben Z. David Seymour, You're always up for a
good idea? Is this one of them?
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Well, I always give every idea that the consideration it deserves,
let's put it that way. But it's really not clear
other than a political signal to you know, people are
feeling pretty fuzzled after the last six years, and this
feels like we're all going to do something together and
take control of something. So I understand that emotional appeal,
(03:23):
but as soon as you start asking basic questions, it
all falls apast. I mean, first of all, it's not
actually for sale. We have closer economic relations agreements signed
with Australia's government that is the underpinning of our whole economy,
a common economy with Australia, and if we were to
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start breaching that by forcing the sale of a bank
that's owned by an Australian company, then we would be
in all sorts of trouble. So the alternative would be
to just pay whatever they want to sell it to us,
which I'm sure the Ausies will be laughing all the way. Well,
all the weight to the bank, I suppose. And then
there's the fact, even if you could buy it, they
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want to merge it with Kiwi Bank. Well, everyone else
is trying to increase the number of competitors that actually
be four banks instead of five banks in the market
all of a sudden. And then there's the problem that
if the taxpayer owns it, they need politicians to do
the management for them. So it might sound like a
good idea now, and it's going to make a profit
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and pay it back and all the rest, But hang
on a second. This is a democracy. The left will
get back into power. I don't relish that, but I'd
rather have a democracy that changes from time to time
than live in a dictatorship. And you know you're going
to see at some point is Chloe Swarbrick like characters
appointing the board, writing the letter of expectation from the
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government as shareholder to the bank. And they'll be doing
a whole lot of things that the politicians of the
day want them to do, losing money, and none of
us will seem very brace a little bit like here
in New Zealand without the planes.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
I guess why you have put up a good argument
to convince Winston. Otherwise, mind you, he could always get
the twenty or thirty billion or whatever it's going to
hypothetically cost and just pump that into Key we bank
make it a kick ass bank. They would give it
a bit of.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Capital if you wanted to achieve the goal. That would
be a simpler and smarter way of doing the same thing.
But even then, Keywi Bank's been around for twenty years.
It was supposed to introduce competition. It really hasn't done that.
And I don't think anyone today thinks that we have
(05:36):
great banking because Keywibank introduce competition. I suspect that reality
things are what they are, and if anything can be changed,
it's the amount of red tape and regulation that hold
people back that has made us poorer than we need
to be because it's so damn hard to do anything.
If you fix that, you get a bit more competitive economy.
(05:57):
All of a sudden things start to look better. But
kind of meddling, you know. It's a few months back
we had Winston trying to tell farmers what to do
with the Fonterra sale, and of course ninety percent of
farmers voted the other way. And I think there's a
bit of a pattern emerging here about what sounds good
in the political marketplace and what actually works in the
commercial marketplace.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
So you don't agree with one of your coalition partners,
Winston on buying the Bends editor is a bit of
a hair brain scheme as well, if you ask me,
a bit of a populist policy, though heading into the
election it may not harm us chances. Now do you
know who I reckon is a really good and effective minister.
She's not in your party. She's in the National Party,
Erica Stanford. I reckon she's doing great work and education.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Yeah, I tend to agree with that if you look
at the changes to the curriculum, to the teaching approach
to the nca the the things that Acts has actually backed.
I mean, changing the history curriculum was one of the
things we assisted on and that's been done really well.
Think that the NCAA has been a bit of a
wet week for a very long time. And having an
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exam having grades from ABCDE and having subjects that you
have to do numeracy, you have to do literacy, you
have to do science. It really represents the kind of
shift that we hoped would happen if the government changed,
because ultimately the number one measure of New Zealand's future
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success is how many children went to school today. And
I'm really pleased to see attendants going up to by
the way, But then what have they learned? How much
knowledge was passed from one generation to the next in
order to ensure that the next generation are equipped to
handle way of the challenges.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Hey, David, they're all turning up to school to get
some of your nutritious three dollar lunches.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
You realize that well they are, and they also know
that there's going to be hundreds of millions of dollars
less government debt when they graduate because I've managed to
have the price of it.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
David smore or thanks for your time, and we'll take
the ben Z off the drawing board.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
I think that would probably be a good thing for
the text payer and the bank customer in the long term.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
It's fourteen after twelve. Yeah, I'm with you there, David,
But anyhow it'll be maybe there's a bit of merit.
Do you tell me what you think on that text
line five double nine in Winston's plan, I think the
ben Z's just flying a kite. To be perfectly honest,
it's not for sale, and I don't know you can
just go out there and acquire it by government action.
(08:30):
But maybe there's a bit of merit. I don't know,
and there's one thousand dollars kickstart for the key we saver.
Encourage families if they get a thousand dollars kickstart to
maybe tip in a wee bit and let the compounding
effect take over, because I'd imagine if you were born today,
you are not going to be reliant on National super
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as the universal benefits. When you get to sixty five
or sixty seven or seventy, Rural news and sports news
at the bottom of the hour. If you're wondering what
happened in the golf, h a bit disappointed in this one.
I had a couple of horses in there, Rory and
Cam Young.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
No.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
England's Aaron Raye has won the PGA Championship by three strokes,
convincing in the end. John Rahm and Alex Smalley were second.
Ek will tell you about that and why the Warrior
is one of the Warriors' best players. Can't make the
New South Wales squad for the opening State of Origin
(09:33):
League match up next though, Meat Lamb broken through the
twelve dollars a kilogram barrier. We're going to have a
look at that and I might even have a wee
yarn see what he thought about last night's Country Calendar.
Talked about an iconic New Zealander coming up a bit
later in the show to talk about the Century Farm
(09:55):
and Station Awards, while Alan Mickey McDonald's a bit of
an iconic New Zealander one of the sharing greats. Good
to see him on Country Calendar last night. Here is
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the national livestock manager for AFCO. His name is Tom Young,
based out of Hawks Bay. Tom. Recently we broke the
two hour barrier for the marathon. Not you and I
another bloke, but you have broken the twelve dollars barrier
for lamb. Are you talking this up a weebit? Or
can you genuinely sell a lamb or get paid more
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than twelve dollars a kilogram for a lamb?
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:45):
He is.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
So we have released two contracts, one in the North
Island and one in the South Jamie and they start
on the early eleven dollar range at the end of
during and they peak just about over twelve dollars in September.
So we can honestlye so we can. We're selling that
contract to farmers. It's open now.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
The markets that we see support paying that so we're
comfortable with the levels. So yeah, it's so I think
it's a pretty good news story for the industry to
sort of get something out of there and put a
stake in the ground and show show farmers we have
co sees the price anyway and sort of try and
get people interested or back back running a few more
us and sort of getting this industry back on track
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with some more people that are interested in the long
term future sheet farming.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
That is great news. It's not that long ago, Tom,
probably two seasons ago we were getting six dollars a
kilo for lamb.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Yeah, I think a few years two or three years
ago you were you were giving me a bit of
grief calling me ten dollar time. I think we were
first out with a ten dollar contract and so now
and now it's the other side of twelve. So yeah,
a great thing to see and I think more than anything,
while it gives you know, winter lamb finishes some certainty
and some of them have paid some reason money for
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store lambs, we all know that it gives us some
certainty of supplied FC so we can sort of work
our factory management, shift, shift capacity and things around what
we know is coming. Our way with these contracts. But
it also gives a sort of a view that there's
some confidence there from AFCO anyway as a meat processor
and hopefully, you know, confidence going into next summer and
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you know, really, really the critical thing is to see
you know, I suppose that the you farmer or the
breeder having getting a good turn at far into the
year where they you know, they sell their lambs well,
the fat lambs, and then their store lambs are worth
good money too. That's the critical part of it.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Yeah, those people who paid big money, big big money.
I would have thought for store lambs perhaps in the
summer and autumn can see a meaningful profit at the
end of the pipeline. That is good. How are your
plants going at the moment, because I'm assuming you'll be
flat out killing cold cows, are you?
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Yes, we are so where you know, both islands are
still you know it for capesty on beef. It's a
bit slow on lamb in both islands. So then you
know the shift capesities have been drop back of it
and we're just ticking over. But we expect to see
more lambs as the winter goes on. I think there's
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a few, probably a few more lambs in the North
Island than last year, maybe another one or two hundred thousand,
and I think people are probably sitting on them a
wee bit because they've paid, like you've boughted out some
reasonable money for store lambs, so they're looking for a
little bit of weight game. So I think we'll probably
have a pretty good late winter.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
A cold cow. And this is a dairy cow that
may have been milked for I don't know, seven, eight,
nine years. I don't know how long they milk them for.
I'm a broken down form of sheep farmer, so I
can't really tell you that. But if you've milked them
for that many seasons, they don't owe you much. But
at the moment, you can get what fourteen or fifteen
hundred bucks for an old curl cow.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Yeah, yeah you can. So you know you're probably sitting
around the seven dollar mark for a col cow. And
they would weigh, depending on sort of breed type or
whatever way, anywhere around one hundred and eighty to turn
her kilos, so you're spot on around that fourteen hundred
dollar mark. So yeah, the dairy farmers having a pretty
good season two and you know he's winning on the
milk his milk check, which was great, and he's getting
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some good money for his red meat for his cows.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Yep, and care we for it also going great guns.
But in Hawk's Bay where you're based, it's not all
it's not all smelling of roses at the moment. You've
got the McCain's whiteies thing them closing the plants yep.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
And you've got the grape industries under heaver pressure, so
there's a lot of grapes being pulled out. I'm seeing it,
seeing it happening now. Just doesn't seem to be the
demand for different varieties of grapes. I think the red
in particular has got a lot of pressure on it
here for whatever reason, people aren't drinking it. So yeah,
the poor old Hawk's Bay is probably I think the
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next year or two might be quite hard and some
insectors other than red meat anyway.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Did you watch Country Calendar last night with Alan Mickey McDonald?
Of course, the former World World Sharing champ. Great bloke too,
and you know he was he was in his prime
when David Fagan was in his prime. Tea and they
used to go tit for tat on World Records really
enjoyed that country calendar on the Palmu farm, but I
did kind of sigh a wee bit when he had
to wander amongst the pine trees.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Yeah, that's that's sad, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
You know?
Speaker 4 (15:17):
And this this is the problem with you know everyone.
It's not not just whole farms I guess that have
been put into pine trees, but you know, parts of
farms have gone into trees. And we're certainly seeing seeing
that now in the volume of animals that sort of
coming out every year every year sort of on a
sort of sort of a downward trend. So both of
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these contracts who are putting out my put confidence back
into that sheep market anyway, and give people the I
suppose the confidence to you know, have you know, run
more use or retain a few more U lambs and
take them through time will tell, I guess. But I
thought one of the funny things Mickey said on that
on that show was he was trying to teach a
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young fellow how to share. And he's not bad. But
once you've done fifty zerousand, you'll start to come right.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
And I think he would have done several fifty thousands
in his day an absolute legend of a shaer a
few million Yeah, exactly, all right, time, young thanks for
your time. You're the twelve million dollar man or the
twelve dollars a kilogram lamb man. I'll put it that way.
See you later.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Thanks what for you ladder?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeah, good on your tom. Yeah, this is an off
season premium, let's be honest about it. But it's still
it is still good money, especially for those winter finishers.
Some are your feedback, Well, what a shame these prices
have come twelve months too late? Talking about the lamb
prices there, how many farms would have been saved from
pines at these prices? Well you might have to go
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back a wee bit more than twelve months. Yeah. Look,
and I'm going to talk about this a bit later
in the show. I was in Lawrence, one of my
favorite little towns in the country in South Otago. There's
a lot of pine trees there growing around there, some
of them in fair enough places. But I just look
and I thinking, I don't know. I hope I'm proven
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wrong here, but I don't know that I will be.
In twenty years time, we're going to look back on
this carbon farming experiment and thinking and think, what the
hell were we doing? You know, there's plenty of places
in this country to plant pine trees for carbon credits.
Good on you for your boots, but not on a
flat piece of ground that should be grazing an animal.
In some cases even good enough to grow arable crops.
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It's the wrong country. Here's someone else on the school lunches,
David Seymour. Don't forget the teachers, and god knows how
many others who are ordering extra lunches for themselves at
the taxpayer's expense. I don't know about that one, but
would you begrudge your teacher one of Seymour's three dollar lunches?
Got to put up with those bratish and prattish kids
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all day, I reckon they deserve a free lunch. We're
doing that. And here's another one with on instant wanting
to buy the ben Z New Zealand first just lost
my vote. Winston is a cunning old bugger, no other
word for it. He's only putting policy like that out
because he knows it will scratch some itches. And I
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think he's rightly or wrongly going to do very well
in this election. Right our up next from meat from
red meat to another industry that's on a bit of
a high at the moment, Kiwi fruit with Dom Jones.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
It's just how far it come back?
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Mass, Let's talk Kiwi fruit on the country, Dom Jones.
Dominic Jones joins us. He's the managing director of Origin
Capital Partners, Kiwi fruit growing syndicate mainly in the Bay
are plenty in Gisbon regions. Hey, Dom, I want to
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talk about the Kiwi fruit gold harvest. Had a couple
of those for breakfast this morning, wanting God's own food.
Is it all finished yet?
Speaker 5 (19:03):
Hey, Jamie, thanks for having me on. Yep, the gold
hardest has finished a phenomenal season. Really it will be
record high yields pretty much in all regions. I think
in total it's finished up at about one hundred and
fifty six million trays, which is I think pre season
the estimates for about one hundred and forty five. So yeah,
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it'll be a record. And anyway, all the fruits now
tucked away and packed away and vespers starting to sell
it in the market. Red's all finished to all being packed,
still being shipped, and I think it's all been sold
and green is probably about a third of the way
through harvest.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Well is zespery find a home for all this extra
fruit this season.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
Well look grows in the business of growing fruit. Vespre's
in the business of selling fruit, so more fruit has
to be a good thing. They've got the fruits and
now they're going to have to go out and sell
it when we have difficult years. Doesn't tend to be
in anything on the market side. It's all more local
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and supply chain and there's no issues in that regard.
I would say all the pack houses are bursting at
the scenes at the call stores, which is exactly where
they want to be. Everyone builds a lot of expensive
kit so you want it to be used.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
To grow key we fruit. You need a license. How
expensive are they these days?
Speaker 5 (20:25):
Bloody expensive for a piece of paper. So every year
this free release a bit more license for their PVR varieties,
which is the gold in the red.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Don't confuse me with acronym's here, don what's a PVR? Sorry?
Speaker 5 (20:42):
A PVR is a plant variety, right, It's a bit
like a patent. The owner of the patent. In this case,
Despree is the only one that's allowed to sell the fruit,
and only licensed growers can grow the fruit. So every
year's espery hold an option and release more hectares of license.
They're releasing about four hundred hectares of gold a year,
which means we're growing the sun goals supplied by about
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three or four percent. This year, the four hundred hectares
went for an average price of six hundred and eighty
four thousand dollars per hectare. And they also released a
new red variety called Red eighty and that one blew
everyone's expectations out of the water. That went for about
four hundred and sixty thousand, which was amazing. It's a
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new type of red. It basically has been grown at
very very low volumes. There's been a little bit of
trial in the market, but it's really early days. And
so the licensed price of both tells you a bit
about the confidence in the sector.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
And you said, those PVRs plant variety rights have been extended,
what does that mean for growers?
Speaker 5 (21:49):
On Friday last week Yespring, the government announced a bill
to extend how long you can have a variety protected
for so, for example, the sun Gold TVR in New
Zealand spires in twenty thirty nine. This bill.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
The effect of that.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
Would push the expiry up to twenty forty six, which
is a really good thing for the industry, and it
would apply to not just zespree PDRs. There is other
PVRs and other fruit varieties in New Zealand. Apples have
plenty of them.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
For example, sounds like the Ministry of Commerce with their
radio FM frequencies. Rightio, you're in the business of growing
kiw refruit. You've got two funds already up and running.
I know a wee bit about them because I'm in
both of them. You're going to fundraise or you're currently
fundraising for a third. Why should I invest? Isn't key
we fruit land getting too expensive? Now? Has that ship
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sailed dom?
Speaker 5 (22:45):
Look, it's going to be more expensive to buy an
orchard than it was three years ago. And three years
ago it was more expensive to buy an orchard than
twenty nineteen, and that was probably the case three years
before that. Key fruit land and key fruit orchards over
time have increased in value, and that's because the profits
have increased and in an inflationary environment, that's what you
would expect. One of the reasons people buy land or
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buy property is to protect against inflation, and Kevy fruit
is a good example of that. In the end, you'd
invest with us because you want exposure to kiwi fruit
without having to buy an orchard yourself for seven or
eight million dollars. And look, our fund we are kiwi
fruit specialists. Our funds only invest in kiwi fruit. What
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that means is if the New Zealand kiwi fruit industry
goes well, we'll do better than that. Equally, if it
goes poorly, so will our funds. So look, we're away
to have some exposure to kiwi fruit. Most of our
investors are putting in two to five hundred grand with us.
It gives them some passive exposure to the sector without
having to go out and invest in an orchard. Will
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run an orchard themselves.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
So if you want to have a punt at kiwi
fruit and in the returns have been pretty good in
recent years. Let's be honest about it. Where do you
go If you.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
Want to learn more about our products? Come on to
our website Origincapitalpartners dot co dot MD, fill out a
form I will I will then touch base of you,
arrange time to catch up either in person on the
phone and We've got a whole bunch of materials that
I can share with you as well. We've kicked off
the raising for our third funds. Looks like there's plenty
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of plenty of interests. Pretty confident it's going to be
a decent sized ray and it's likely therefore that will
probably pull the trigger on a couple of large deer
land developments that we're working through at the moment. So yes,
if you want exposure to the sector, come on to
our website and go from there.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Origin Capital Partners, Dom Jones, the managing director Key we
Fruit Growing sending it. Thanks for your time and good
luck getting the rest of that green off the vine
and on a ship and sold on the other side
of the world. Thanks you, Jamy bed on your dom.
It's bang on twenty five away from one year with
the country. Talk to you by Farmlands. Wonderful sponsors, I
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They go good. That's not actually very good grammar, is
it anyhow? After the break, Michelle with the latest and
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rural news. We'll have a look at sports news for
you golf and league. Before the end of there, I
got an interesting phone call out of the blue from
an iconic New Zealand of this morning, inquiring about what's
been happening in Lawrence. And we're going to talk to
Phil Duncan from weather Watch. How worry should you farmers
be about the seat super al Nino that's apparently going
(25:45):
to kick us in the butt this spring. We'll talk
about that before the end of the hour.
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Speaker 7 (25:59):
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Speaker 2 (26:23):
What a great song from Doctor Hook. Dennis I can't
pronounce his second name is surname, the lead singer from
Doctor Hook has died at the age of seventy six.
Say it. Here's Michelle with the latest and Rural News.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
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to talk innovation, another to back it up drive it.
We dare you visit steel for dot cot inz for
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Speaker 2 (26:46):
Guest the Doctor Hook get a whirl at the Rosie
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Speaker 8 (26:52):
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What you just reminded me was a cover great songs,
of course, the cover Rolling Stone, That's one of my
absolute favorites.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Yeah, Sylvia's Mother was their biggest hit. That was their
sort of deboot single as well, which was a bit
of a tear jerker. But I prefer the cover of
the Rolling Stone. I think it's very clear. Variety O.
What are you got on rural News?
Speaker 8 (27:13):
So, following up on the discussion you had with Dom
Jones from Origin Partners, the Government is strengthening part variety
rights to support New Zealand's horticultural sector and boost export.
Gross Trade and Investment and AGG Minister Todd McLay and
Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister Cameron Brewer says the changes
will help protect investments, support regional jobs and keep New
Zealand competitive globally. The government says improve protections under the
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Plant's Varieties Act will encourage innovation and plant breeding, which
can take years or even decades to develop new varieties.
So the plant varieties already plays a part in export
earnings and twenty twenty four they a coounted for seventy
five percent of keeping through export returns and more than
half of apple exports. I think it was fifty five
percent was the exact number. The reforms will also restore
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provisional protection, allowing breeders to take legal action from the
time they apply for right. So it's quite a big change.
And someone actually brought up an interesting text about this,
Jamie that we could chat about later. Good question about
this protection's rights.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Thing, did they? I haven't. I need to have a lock.
Let's do sport.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Sports on the country with AFCO one hunder of percent
ke we owned and trusted it.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
That's rare.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
No collect from me this weekend from the thab. My
horses didn't come in, but the horses came in for
England's Aaron Rye. He's won the PGA Championship by three
strokes at Pennsylvania at the Aronomick course. It's a brutal,
brutal course. He carted a five under sixty five today.
(28:43):
John Rahm and Alex Smalley was second. Equal Warriors prop Jackson.
Ford has missed selection in the New South Wales squad
for the opening State of Origin League match against Queensland
at Sydney next week. How good will that be? And
that is despite sitting second in the Dali M Medal
stand things through ten rounds and I think he's behind Nathan.
(29:04):
Is it Nathan Clary? What's the father's name? I'll get
the two Clary's. It is Nathan Kik there, he's the standoff.
What's his father's name. It'll come back to me senior moment. There,
Ford's teammates Mitch Barnett and Kurt Capell have received the
nod for the Blues and the Maroons respectively. Ivan Clary,
(29:25):
I knew I would get it. Yes, So Nathan Clary
is leading the Dally M. He is the best player
over there. We play we play the Penrith Panthers in
a week or two time. That's going to be really good.
So that is sports news for you. Up next, talking
about sport and farming, An iconic surprise guest on the Country.
Speaker 6 (29:44):
You're on the cover of the Roll and Stole and
roll a Sema Star.
Speaker 7 (29:53):
We got golden fingers and with the devil were we
got our guys.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
We sing about beauty and was singing about you. Ten
thousand dollars a show rate?
Speaker 7 (30:05):
Which goal can of fields? I give a soul Canna Friels,
but the thrill we.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Never I'm loving doctor Hook today on the Country, Bang
on Carter her away from one. Well, I've got a
phone call this morning, out of the blue. I haven't
shattered with this bloke for a number of years. One
of my favorite broadcasts, the iconic voice PJ. Peter Montgomery, Peter, Hello,
where are you? How are you?
Speaker 9 (30:30):
I'm great, greetings, I'm well, thank you. I'm an awful
at home at the moment and just ticking over and
tuning into the Country on ten eighty. It works in Auckland, brilliant.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Now you phone me this morning because you have a
connection where I was on the weekend Lawrence for the
Century Farm and Station Awards. You have a connection to
that wonderful little town. Yeah, I do.
Speaker 9 (30:53):
Soon after the war, my father came back and he
and Mum bought a business in Lawrence, and so it
was the very late forties early fifties that I lived there.
But my father because he had been in Burma during
World War II and got every tropic a disease you
could and ended up getting TV it was seriously ill
(31:15):
and had to go to the n Eden Hospital and
subsequently Pleasant Point. So I lived at Lawrence for about
three or four years as the old Bank of New
Zealand building, which is huge, was where my mother opened
a first bank account in Lawrence.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Well, and you've gone back in time because there's a
family connection, I think to one hundred and twenty five
years ago. We celebrated one farm by the way that
was one hundred and eighty seven years old and in
one family's ownership since the year before we signed the
Treaty of White Tongy. But in nineteen oh one they
had a bike race and I can imagine how tough
it would have been on the gravel roads from Lawrence
(31:53):
to whiter Herna and back again.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
Yep.
Speaker 9 (31:55):
And my grandfather was a photograph through the hock and
Libraries Tiger University, and they've got quite a few people
who were named in it. And my grandfather was number
nineteen and he won it, and I'm actually holding his
medal right now. I plan to give it to a
Lawrence museum when I get back together, or more importantly
(32:16):
get back down to Otago. So but furthermore, Jamie, it
wasn't called a bike race. It was called the Lawrence
Bicycle Pub Race the White of Fancy Music. I've never
heard the term bicycle for so long until I reread it.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Well, now, of course there is a like a rail
trial or not a rail trail there. Yeah, well that
is actually there was a railway through there, but they've
got a bike. You can basically eventually you're about a
bike from Queenstown to Dunedin. It's wonderful what you're doing.
Speaker 9 (32:45):
Yeah, it's absolutely magnificent. And the last seven kilometers get
into the need and the sooner the better. I think.
There's a stop in way Thehrna Is'na with a fantastic
cafe there, and good luck to them for all the
people are on their bikes that need a top up.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Well, they've converted the old railway shed in waiter Herna
to a cafe and I think it's proved very very popular.
Speaker 9 (33:10):
Yeah, yeah, I remember my mother telling me that I
was too young and I don't remember this. This is
just I'm the messenger here from my mother. She used
to say that where we lived in our shop in
the main street of Lawrence wasn't very far from the
railway line, and the railway the train used to go
through at about two am in the morning, un presumably
(33:32):
delivering goods up to works for her.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Well, it is amazing, isn't it. Hey? It was the
fun that ran into a whole lot of interesting farming people.
And like you some listeners to the show, and we
really really appreciate that Big alb Anderson was there his farm.
You remember alb Anderson, the all Black lock. Albi's farm's
been in the same ownership since eighteen ninety four and
(33:56):
he hasn't got any smaller.
Speaker 9 (33:59):
Right, No, But that tells you something about those families
that have done it, because if over the generations there
is more than one or two children that can sort out,
how do they resolve all that out in the ownership
and being fair to the siblings that don't make it,
and also how profitable and how they've changed. A very
interesting article in the Tagadaty Times this morning where you've
(34:21):
got to change with the times. Tell me this, where
is the venue and lawrence? Figure of how many families
were there?
Speaker 2 (34:28):
There was thirty six farms. There, there was two hundred
and eighty people. It's amazing what they do. It's oh
in the local community center. There's a gym there that
the local area high school uses, so they get them
all in. It's quite a big building. But unbelievably, in
this gig and my job and yours, Pete, you go
(34:48):
to lots of corporate functions. I go to too many
to be perfectly honest, but the catering and lawrence for
three hundred people was probably better than anywhere else in
the country.
Speaker 9 (35:00):
Oh god, it's a credit to them. Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Just a final word from you, What are you doing
with yourself these days?
Speaker 9 (35:08):
Well, I've got enough to keep me off the streets,
and I've got com plenty going on. Still, I'm still
patron or a trustee of too many sailing events, and
I'm trying to winkle my way out of those. But
that takes up quite a lot of time. I say,
like the Peter Blake Torbay Rigatta, I'm patron of Tor
(35:29):
Bay and I'm going to their prize giving in a
couple of weeks, and there's enough to keep me off
the streets. And you know, I keep an interest in
various things and listen to various commentries and think, well,
they need someone to help them. But no, I'm still
a Well the big thing is coming up this August.
Three years on the seventh of August, Claudia, who was
(35:52):
my great supporter and did so much for me, she
died suddenly and unexpectedly. So life goes on without. But
it hasn't been as easy as it was.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Well, honestly, it was a real thrill for me. I
was sitting in here and I just finished pre recording
an interview and the phone rings PJ Montgomery. I'm thinking,
what's that? So it was great to hear from you
this morning, Absolutely fantastic and thank you. Thank you Pete
for listening to the country. I know you listen on
Saturday morning.
Speaker 9 (36:22):
I do absolutely ye announce on ten eighty it'll be
easier to get as well, so I'm looking forward to that.
And you're doing a great show and all the stuff
of trees and so on. I know Vera bashed your
way back long ago, but photo syncesses everybody should know that,
and why we're planting pine trees when they don't take
into credit the photo sens it of all our fieldal
(36:45):
national parks and all the other national parks and lit
alone lawns and past sums, yeah, pastures. I mean, I
don't know why we even have a problem and think
about trees.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
But what would I know?
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Well, I know you had no call about PJ. Montgomery.
There you go, the voice of New Zealand sailing. Gee,
I've run horribly over time. I'm gonna have to shuffle
Phil Duncan and the super al Nino. I think till
tomorrow show no problem. He'll keep But up next we're
going to wrap it with some of your feedback, down
(37:25):
wrapping the country with doctor Hook and some of your feedback.
What is to stop China stealing some cuttings? Again from Muzz,
who's often quite cutting himself. I don't know about that one,
Muzz nothing, Maybe I don't know. Jamie Winston's delusional outburst
is Trump esque. All he's doing is trying to promote
(37:47):
his own individual niece an election year from Don. You're
onto it, Don, but you know a lot of people
will support Winston on what he's doing. And you know, maybe,
as I said, I don't agree with the ben Z
thing is a bit fascical, but maybe this Samirt and
his idea to kickstart Newborn's with one thousand dollars and
(38:07):
key we save anything we can do to get key.
We saving is a good thing. And hi Jamie, a
good footy man like you, will be sad. And to
hear the passing of Scott Hastings, I was actually Pete
who's texted in Scottish rugby legend, part of the last
Grand Slam winning Scottish side from nineteen ninety and a
true great alongside his brother Gavin. Gavin Hastings. Yeah, one
(38:30):
of the great fallbacks. Scott was a very good midfield back.
Yeah it's sad. Anyhow, that's today's show. Great to catch
up with. PJ Montgomery will catch you tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Sure that I was born to get a New Zealand.
(00:37):
Welcome to the Country. I'm Jamie McKay. Deuta Gudrum. How
does a Nazzie get into the Eurovision Song contest? Anyhow close?
But no cigar? Are the Deputy Prime ministers kicking off
the show today, David Semur. I don't think he's too
impressed by Winston's plan to buy the ben Zi. We're
going to talk about lamb cracking the twelve dollar per
(00:58):
kilogram barrier. Yeah. Tom Young joins a South Coast national
livestock manager. They've got a contract out there at an
excess of twelve dollars per kilogram. That's rarefied here. I
don't think we've been there before. We're also going to
have a look at the Kiwi fruit industry with you.
Dom Jones, Managing director of Origin Capital Partners. They're are
(01:19):
Keywi fruit growing is syndicate a really good season. It's
going really well. There's only the green left to harvest.
Everything else is in the pack houses. I'm told Phil
Duncan on the weather, Look, how worried should we be
about the super al Nino that's coming. Maybe if you're
in some of the drier parts of the east coast
(01:41):
of both islands, you might need to worry. We'll ask
Phil Duncan about that one. And earlier this morning I
got a phone call from a block I hadn't spoken
to for three or four years, an iconic New Zealander
who listens into the show. Really appreciate that, and he
wanted to know how things went and Lawrence. On Saturday Night,
for the Century Farman Station Awards, thirty six farms were
(02:05):
recognized for family ownership of more than one hundred years,
one of them, believe it or not, for one hundred
and eighty seven years. We're going to go not back
in time, but talk to an iconic Kiwi who listens
to the show. We appreciate every listener. Every listener is
a prisoner anyhow. David Seymour to kick off the country.
(02:49):
He is the act party leader and Deputy Prime Minister
as predecessor in the Deputy PM role, wants to buy
the ben Z. David Seymour, You're always up for a
good idea? Is this one of them?
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Well, I always give every idea that the consideration it deserves,
let's put it that way. But it's really not clear
other than a political signal to you know, people are
feeling pretty fuzzled after the last six years, and this
feels like we're all going to do something together and
take control of something. So I understand that emotional appeal,
(03:23):
but as soon as you start asking basic questions, it
all falls apast. I mean, first of all, it's not
actually for sale. We have closer economic relations agreements signed
with Australia's government that is the underpinning of our whole economy,
a common economy with Australia, and if we were to
(03:44):
start breaching that by forcing the sale of a bank
that's owned by an Australian company, then we would be
in all sorts of trouble. So the alternative would be
to just pay whatever they want to sell it to us,
which I'm sure the Ausies will be laughing all the way. Well,
all the weight to the bank, I suppose. And then
there's the fact, even if you could buy it, they
(04:05):
want to merge it with Kiwi Bank. Well, everyone else
is trying to increase the number of competitors that actually
be four banks instead of five banks in the market
all of a sudden. And then there's the problem that
if the taxpayer owns it, they need politicians to do
the management for them. So it might sound like a
good idea now, and it's going to make a profit
(04:27):
and pay it back and all the rest, But hang
on a second. This is a democracy. The left will
get back into power. I don't relish that, but I'd
rather have a democracy that changes from time to time
than live in a dictatorship. And you know you're going
to see at some point is Chloe Swarbrick like characters
appointing the board, writing the letter of expectation from the
(04:49):
government as shareholder to the bank. And they'll be doing
a whole lot of things that the politicians of the
day want them to do, losing money, and none of
us will seem very brace a little bit like here
in New Zealand without the planes.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
I guess why you have put up a good argument
to convince Winston. Otherwise, mind you, he could always get
the twenty or thirty billion or whatever it's going to
hypothetically cost and just pump that into Key we bank
make it a kick ass bank. They would give it
a bit of.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Capital if you wanted to achieve the goal. That would
be a simpler and smarter way of doing the same thing.
But even then, Keywi Bank's been around for twenty years.
It was supposed to introduce competition. It really hasn't done that.
And I don't think anyone today thinks that we have
(05:36):
great banking because Keywibank introduce competition. I suspect that reality
things are what they are, and if anything can be changed,
it's the amount of red tape and regulation that hold
people back that has made us poorer than we need
to be because it's so damn hard to do anything.
If you fix that, you get a bit more competitive economy.
(05:57):
All of a sudden things start to look better. But
kind of meddling, you know. It's a few months back
we had Winston trying to tell farmers what to do
with the Fonterra sale, and of course ninety percent of
farmers voted the other way. And I think there's a
bit of a pattern emerging here about what sounds good
in the political marketplace and what actually works in the
commercial marketplace.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
So you don't agree with one of your coalition partners,
Winston on buying the Bends editor is a bit of
a hair brain scheme as well, if you ask me,
a bit of a populist policy, though heading into the
election it may not harm us chances. Now do you
know who I reckon is a really good and effective minister.
She's not in your party. She's in the National Party,
Erica Stanford. I reckon she's doing great work and education.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Yeah, I tend to agree with that if you look
at the changes to the curriculum, to the teaching approach
to the nca the the things that Acts has actually backed.
I mean, changing the history curriculum was one of the
things we assisted on and that's been done really well.
Think that the NCAA has been a bit of a
wet week for a very long time. And having an
(07:06):
exam having grades from ABCDE and having subjects that you
have to do numeracy, you have to do literacy, you
have to do science. It really represents the kind of
shift that we hoped would happen if the government changed,
because ultimately the number one measure of New Zealand's future
(07:27):
success is how many children went to school today. And
I'm really pleased to see attendants going up to by
the way, But then what have they learned? How much
knowledge was passed from one generation to the next in
order to ensure that the next generation are equipped to
handle way of the challenges.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Hey, David, they're all turning up to school to get
some of your nutritious three dollar lunches.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
You realize that well they are, and they also know
that there's going to be hundreds of millions of dollars
less government debt when they graduate because I've managed to
have the price of it.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
David smore or thanks for your time, and we'll take
the ben Z off the drawing board.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
I think that would probably be a good thing for
the text payer and the bank customer in the long term.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
It's fourteen after twelve. Yeah, I'm with you there, David,
But anyhow it'll be maybe there's a bit of merit.
Do you tell me what you think on that text
line five double nine in Winston's plan, I think the
ben Z's just flying a kite. To be perfectly honest,
it's not for sale, and I don't know you can
just go out there and acquire it by government action.
(08:30):
But maybe there's a bit of merit. I don't know,
and there's one thousand dollars kickstart for the key we saver.
Encourage families if they get a thousand dollars kickstart to
maybe tip in a wee bit and let the compounding
effect take over, because I'd imagine if you were born today,
you are not going to be reliant on National super
(08:55):
as the universal benefits. When you get to sixty five
or sixty seven or seventy, Rural news and sports news
at the bottom of the hour. If you're wondering what
happened in the golf, h a bit disappointed in this one.
I had a couple of horses in there, Rory and
Cam Young.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
No.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
England's Aaron Raye has won the PGA Championship by three strokes,
convincing in the end. John Rahm and Alex Smalley were second.
Ek will tell you about that and why the Warrior
is one of the Warriors' best players. Can't make the
New South Wales squad for the opening State of Origin
(09:33):
League match up next though, Meat Lamb broken through the
twelve dollars a kilogram barrier. We're going to have a
look at that and I might even have a wee
yarn see what he thought about last night's Country Calendar.
Talked about an iconic New Zealander coming up a bit
later in the show to talk about the Century Farm
(09:55):
and Station Awards, while Alan Mickey McDonald's a bit of
an iconic New Zealander one of the sharing greats. Good
to see him on Country Calendar last night. Here is
(10:21):
the national livestock manager for AFCO. His name is Tom Young,
based out of Hawks Bay. Tom. Recently we broke the
two hour barrier for the marathon. Not you and I
another bloke, but you have broken the twelve dollars barrier
for lamb. Are you talking this up a weebit? Or
can you genuinely sell a lamb or get paid more
(10:42):
than twelve dollars a kilogram for a lamb?
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:45):
He is.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
So we have released two contracts, one in the North
Island and one in the South Jamie and they start
on the early eleven dollar range at the end of
during and they peak just about over twelve dollars in September.
So we can honestlye so we can. We're selling that
contract to farmers. It's open now.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
The markets that we see support paying that so we're
comfortable with the levels. So yeah, it's so I think
it's a pretty good news story for the industry to
sort of get something out of there and put a
stake in the ground and show show farmers we have
co sees the price anyway and sort of try and
get people interested or back back running a few more
us and sort of getting this industry back on track
(11:27):
with some more people that are interested in the long
term future sheet farming.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
That is great news. It's not that long ago, Tom,
probably two seasons ago we were getting six dollars a
kilo for lamb.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Yeah, I think a few years two or three years
ago you were you were giving me a bit of
grief calling me ten dollar time. I think we were
first out with a ten dollar contract and so now
and now it's the other side of twelve. So yeah,
a great thing to see and I think more than anything,
while it gives you know, winter lamb finishes some certainty
and some of them have paid some reason money for
(12:00):
store lambs, we all know that it gives us some
certainty of supplied FC so we can sort of work
our factory management, shift, shift capacity and things around what
we know is coming. Our way with these contracts. But
it also gives a sort of a view that there's
some confidence there from AFCO anyway as a meat processor
and hopefully, you know, confidence going into next summer and
(12:22):
you know, really, really the critical thing is to see
you know, I suppose that the you farmer or the
breeder having getting a good turn at far into the
year where they you know, they sell their lambs well,
the fat lambs, and then their store lambs are worth
good money too. That's the critical part of it.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Yeah, those people who paid big money, big big money.
I would have thought for store lambs perhaps in the
summer and autumn can see a meaningful profit at the
end of the pipeline. That is good. How are your
plants going at the moment, because I'm assuming you'll be
flat out killing cold cows, are you?
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Yes, we are so where you know, both islands are
still you know it for capesty on beef. It's a
bit slow on lamb in both islands. So then you
know the shift capesities have been drop back of it
and we're just ticking over. But we expect to see
more lambs as the winter goes on. I think there's
(13:15):
a few, probably a few more lambs in the North
Island than last year, maybe another one or two hundred thousand,
and I think people are probably sitting on them a
wee bit because they've paid, like you've boughted out some
reasonable money for store lambs, so they're looking for a
little bit of weight game. So I think we'll probably
have a pretty good late winter.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
A cold cow. And this is a dairy cow that
may have been milked for I don't know, seven, eight,
nine years. I don't know how long they milk them for.
I'm a broken down form of sheep farmer, so I
can't really tell you that. But if you've milked them
for that many seasons, they don't owe you much. But
at the moment, you can get what fourteen or fifteen
hundred bucks for an old curl cow.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Yeah, yeah you can. So you know you're probably sitting
around the seven dollar mark for a col cow. And
they would weigh, depending on sort of breed type or
whatever way, anywhere around one hundred and eighty to turn
her kilos, so you're spot on around that fourteen hundred
dollar mark. So yeah, the dairy farmers having a pretty
good season two and you know he's winning on the
milk his milk check, which was great, and he's getting
(14:13):
some good money for his red meat for his cows.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Yep, and care we for it also going great guns.
But in Hawk's Bay where you're based, it's not all
it's not all smelling of roses at the moment. You've
got the McCain's whiteies thing them closing the plants yep.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
And you've got the grape industries under heaver pressure, so
there's a lot of grapes being pulled out. I'm seeing it,
seeing it happening now. Just doesn't seem to be the
demand for different varieties of grapes. I think the red
in particular has got a lot of pressure on it
here for whatever reason, people aren't drinking it. So yeah,
the poor old Hawk's Bay is probably I think the
(14:48):
next year or two might be quite hard and some
insectors other than red meat anyway.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Did you watch Country Calendar last night with Alan Mickey McDonald?
Of course, the former World World Sharing champ. Great bloke too,
and you know he was he was in his prime
when David Fagan was in his prime. Tea and they
used to go tit for tat on World Records really
enjoyed that country calendar on the Palmu farm, but I
did kind of sigh a wee bit when he had
to wander amongst the pine trees.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Yeah, that's that's sad, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
You know?
Speaker 4 (15:17):
And this this is the problem with you know everyone.
It's not not just whole farms I guess that have
been put into pine trees, but you know, parts of
farms have gone into trees. And we're certainly seeing seeing
that now in the volume of animals that sort of
coming out every year every year sort of on a
sort of sort of a downward trend. So both of
(15:38):
these contracts who are putting out my put confidence back
into that sheep market anyway, and give people the I
suppose the confidence to you know, have you know, run
more use or retain a few more U lambs and
take them through time will tell, I guess. But I
thought one of the funny things Mickey said on that
on that show was he was trying to teach a
(15:58):
young fellow how to share. And he's not bad. But
once you've done fifty zerousand, you'll start to come right.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
And I think he would have done several fifty thousands
in his day an absolute legend of a shaer a
few million Yeah, exactly, all right, time, young thanks for
your time. You're the twelve million dollar man or the
twelve dollars a kilogram lamb man. I'll put it that way.
See you later.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Thanks what for you ladder?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeah, good on your tom. Yeah, this is an off
season premium, let's be honest about it. But it's still
it is still good money, especially for those winter finishers.
Some are your feedback, Well, what a shame these prices
have come twelve months too late? Talking about the lamb
prices there, how many farms would have been saved from
pines at these prices? Well you might have to go
(16:43):
back a wee bit more than twelve months. Yeah. Look,
and I'm going to talk about this a bit later
in the show. I was in Lawrence, one of my
favorite little towns in the country in South Otago. There's
a lot of pine trees there growing around there, some
of them in fair enough places. But I just look
and I thinking, I don't know. I hope I'm proven
(17:07):
wrong here, but I don't know that I will be.
In twenty years time, we're going to look back on
this carbon farming experiment and thinking and think, what the
hell were we doing? You know, there's plenty of places
in this country to plant pine trees for carbon credits.
Good on you for your boots, but not on a
flat piece of ground that should be grazing an animal.
In some cases even good enough to grow arable crops.
(17:30):
It's the wrong country. Here's someone else on the school lunches,
David Seymour. Don't forget the teachers, and god knows how
many others who are ordering extra lunches for themselves at
the taxpayer's expense. I don't know about that one, but
would you begrudge your teacher one of Seymour's three dollar lunches?
Got to put up with those bratish and prattish kids
(17:52):
all day, I reckon they deserve a free lunch. We're
doing that. And here's another one with on instant wanting
to buy the ben Z New Zealand first just lost
my vote. Winston is a cunning old bugger, no other
word for it. He's only putting policy like that out
because he knows it will scratch some itches. And I
(18:13):
think he's rightly or wrongly going to do very well
in this election. Right our up next from meat from
red meat to another industry that's on a bit of
a high at the moment, Kiwi fruit with Dom Jones.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
It's just how far it come back?
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Mass, Let's talk Kiwi fruit on the country, Dom Jones.
Dominic Jones joins us. He's the managing director of Origin
Capital Partners, Kiwi fruit growing syndicate mainly in the Bay
are plenty in Gisbon regions. Hey, Dom, I want to
(18:56):
talk about the Kiwi fruit gold harvest. Had a couple
of those for breakfast this morning, wanting God's own food.
Is it all finished yet?
Speaker 5 (19:03):
Hey, Jamie, thanks for having me on. Yep, the gold
hardest has finished a phenomenal season. Really it will be
record high yields pretty much in all regions. I think
in total it's finished up at about one hundred and
fifty six million trays, which is I think pre season
the estimates for about one hundred and forty five. So yeah,
(19:25):
it'll be a record. And anyway, all the fruits now
tucked away and packed away and vespers starting to sell
it in the market. Red's all finished to all being packed,
still being shipped, and I think it's all been sold
and green is probably about a third of the way
through harvest.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Well is zespery find a home for all this extra
fruit this season.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
Well look grows in the business of growing fruit. Vespre's
in the business of selling fruit, so more fruit has
to be a good thing. They've got the fruits and
now they're going to have to go out and sell
it when we have difficult years. Doesn't tend to be
in anything on the market side. It's all more local
(20:05):
and supply chain and there's no issues in that regard.
I would say all the pack houses are bursting at
the scenes at the call stores, which is exactly where
they want to be. Everyone builds a lot of expensive
kit so you want it to be used.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
To grow key we fruit. You need a license. How
expensive are they these days?
Speaker 5 (20:25):
Bloody expensive for a piece of paper. So every year
this free release a bit more license for their PVR varieties,
which is the gold in the red.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Don't confuse me with acronym's here, don what's a PVR? Sorry?
Speaker 5 (20:42):
A PVR is a plant variety, right, It's a bit
like a patent. The owner of the patent. In this case,
Despree is the only one that's allowed to sell the fruit,
and only licensed growers can grow the fruit. So every
year's espery hold an option and release more hectares of license.
They're releasing about four hundred hectares of gold a year,
which means we're growing the sun goals supplied by about
(21:03):
three or four percent. This year, the four hundred hectares
went for an average price of six hundred and eighty
four thousand dollars per hectare. And they also released a
new red variety called Red eighty and that one blew
everyone's expectations out of the water. That went for about
four hundred and sixty thousand, which was amazing. It's a
(21:28):
new type of red. It basically has been grown at
very very low volumes. There's been a little bit of
trial in the market, but it's really early days. And
so the licensed price of both tells you a bit
about the confidence in the sector.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
And you said, those PVRs plant variety rights have been extended,
what does that mean for growers?
Speaker 5 (21:49):
On Friday last week Yespring, the government announced a bill
to extend how long you can have a variety protected
for so, for example, the sun Gold TVR in New
Zealand spires in twenty thirty nine. This bill.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
The effect of that.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
Would push the expiry up to twenty forty six, which
is a really good thing for the industry, and it
would apply to not just zespree PDRs. There is other
PVRs and other fruit varieties in New Zealand. Apples have
plenty of them.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
For example, sounds like the Ministry of Commerce with their
radio FM frequencies. Rightio, you're in the business of growing
kiw refruit. You've got two funds already up and running.
I know a wee bit about them because I'm in
both of them. You're going to fundraise or you're currently
fundraising for a third. Why should I invest? Isn't key
we fruit land getting too expensive? Now? Has that ship
(22:42):
sailed dom?
Speaker 5 (22:45):
Look, it's going to be more expensive to buy an
orchard than it was three years ago. And three years
ago it was more expensive to buy an orchard than
twenty nineteen, and that was probably the case three years
before that. Key fruit land and key fruit orchards over
time have increased in value, and that's because the profits
have increased and in an inflationary environment, that's what you
would expect. One of the reasons people buy land or
(23:07):
buy property is to protect against inflation, and Kevy fruit
is a good example of that. In the end, you'd
invest with us because you want exposure to kiwi fruit
without having to buy an orchard yourself for seven or
eight million dollars. And look, our fund we are kiwi
fruit specialists. Our funds only invest in kiwi fruit. What
(23:27):
that means is if the New Zealand kiwi fruit industry
goes well, we'll do better than that. Equally, if it
goes poorly, so will our funds. So look, we're away
to have some exposure to kiwi fruit. Most of our
investors are putting in two to five hundred grand with us.
It gives them some passive exposure to the sector without
having to go out and invest in an orchard. Will
(23:50):
run an orchard themselves.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
So if you want to have a punt at kiwi
fruit and in the returns have been pretty good in
recent years. Let's be honest about it. Where do you
go If you.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
Want to learn more about our products? Come on to
our website Origincapitalpartners dot co dot MD, fill out a
form I will I will then touch base of you,
arrange time to catch up either in person on the
phone and We've got a whole bunch of materials that
I can share with you as well. We've kicked off
the raising for our third funds. Looks like there's plenty
(24:21):
of plenty of interests. Pretty confident it's going to be
a decent sized ray and it's likely therefore that will
probably pull the trigger on a couple of large deer
land developments that we're working through at the moment. So yes,
if you want exposure to the sector, come on to
our website and go from there.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Origin Capital Partners, Dom Jones, the managing director Key we
Fruit Growing sending it. Thanks for your time and good
luck getting the rest of that green off the vine
and on a ship and sold on the other side
of the world. Thanks you, Jamy bed on your dom.
It's bang on twenty five away from one year with
the country. Talk to you by Farmlands. Wonderful sponsors, I
(25:02):
might add of the Century Farm and Station Awards. They've
been there since day dot and also I Suzu they've
got their tough sail on at the moment. Go on,
have a test driver one of those Mux seven seaters.
They go good. That's not actually very good grammar, is
it anyhow? After the break, Michelle with the latest and
(25:23):
rural news. We'll have a look at sports news for
you golf and league. Before the end of there, I
got an interesting phone call out of the blue from
an iconic New Zealand of this morning, inquiring about what's
been happening in Lawrence. And we're going to talk to
Phil Duncan from weather Watch. How worry should you farmers
be about the seat super al Nino that's apparently going
(25:45):
to kick us in the butt this spring. We'll talk
about that before the end of the hour.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
Well, we're big Dutch singers. We got golden fingers.
Speaker 7 (25:59):
And oh devil will we got out that guys.
Speaker 6 (26:03):
We sing about beauty and we sing about you. Gin
thousand dollars a show rate.
Speaker 7 (26:09):
Which all can appeels to give us Aul Can of frills.
But the thrill we never know. It's a thrill that
a git you when you gitch a pitcher On the
cover of the roll in stole roles.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
What a great song from Doctor Hook. Dennis I can't
pronounce his second name is surname, the lead singer from
Doctor Hook has died at the age of seventy six.
Say it. Here's Michelle with the latest and Rural News.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
The Country's Rural News with cub Cadet. It's one thing
to talk innovation, another to back it up drive it.
We dare you visit steel for dot cot inz for
your local star.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Guest the Doctor Hook get a whirl at the Rosie
Back in the day in Belle Cluther.
Speaker 8 (26:52):
Oh, one hundred percent of this song walk right Down.
What you just reminded me was a cover great songs,
of course, the cover Rolling Stone, That's one of my
absolute favorites.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Yeah, Sylvia's Mother was their biggest hit. That was their
sort of deboot single as well, which was a bit
of a tear jerker. But I prefer the cover of
the Rolling Stone. I think it's very clear. Variety O.
What are you got on rural News?
Speaker 8 (27:13):
So, following up on the discussion you had with Dom
Jones from Origin Partners, the Government is strengthening part variety
rights to support New Zealand's horticultural sector and boost export.
Gross Trade and Investment and AGG Minister Todd McLay and
Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister Cameron Brewer says the changes
will help protect investments, support regional jobs and keep New
Zealand competitive globally. The government says improve protections under the
(27:37):
Plant's Varieties Act will encourage innovation and plant breeding, which
can take years or even decades to develop new varieties.
So the plant varieties already plays a part in export
earnings and twenty twenty four they a coounted for seventy
five percent of keeping through export returns and more than
half of apple exports. I think it was fifty five
percent was the exact number. The reforms will also restore
(27:59):
provisional protection, allowing breeders to take legal action from the
time they apply for right. So it's quite a big change.
And someone actually brought up an interesting text about this,
Jamie that we could chat about later. Good question about
this protection's rights.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Thing, did they? I haven't. I need to have a lock.
Let's do sport.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Sports on the country with AFCO one hunder of percent
ke we owned and trusted it.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
That's rare.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
No collect from me this weekend from the thab. My
horses didn't come in, but the horses came in for
England's Aaron Rye. He's won the PGA Championship by three
strokes at Pennsylvania at the Aronomick course. It's a brutal,
brutal course. He carted a five under sixty five today.
(28:43):
John Rahm and Alex Smalley was second. Equal Warriors prop Jackson.
Ford has missed selection in the New South Wales squad
for the opening State of Origin League match against Queensland
at Sydney next week. How good will that be? And
that is despite sitting second in the Dali M Medal
stand things through ten rounds and I think he's behind Nathan.
(29:04):
Is it Nathan Clary? What's the father's name? I'll get
the two Clary's. It is Nathan Kik there, he's the standoff.
What's his father's name. It'll come back to me senior moment. There,
Ford's teammates Mitch Barnett and Kurt Capell have received the
nod for the Blues and the Maroons respectively. Ivan Clary,
(29:25):
I knew I would get it. Yes, So Nathan Clary
is leading the Dally M. He is the best player
over there. We play we play the Penrith Panthers in
a week or two time. That's going to be really good.
So that is sports news for you. Up next, talking
about sport and farming, An iconic surprise guest on the Country.
Speaker 6 (29:44):
You're on the cover of the Roll and Stole and
roll a Sema Star.
Speaker 7 (29:53):
We got golden fingers and with the devil were we
got our guys.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
We sing about beauty and was singing about you. Ten
thousand dollars a show rate?
Speaker 7 (30:05):
Which goal can of fields? I give a soul Canna Friels,
but the thrill we.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Never I'm loving doctor Hook today on the Country, Bang
on Carter her away from one. Well, I've got a
phone call this morning, out of the blue. I haven't
shattered with this bloke for a number of years. One
of my favorite broadcasts, the iconic voice PJ. Peter Montgomery, Peter, Hello,
where are you? How are you?
Speaker 9 (30:30):
I'm great, greetings, I'm well, thank you. I'm an awful
at home at the moment and just ticking over and
tuning into the Country on ten eighty. It works in Auckland, brilliant.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Now you phone me this morning because you have a
connection where I was on the weekend Lawrence for the
Century Farm and Station Awards. You have a connection to
that wonderful little town. Yeah, I do.
Speaker 9 (30:53):
Soon after the war, my father came back and he
and Mum bought a business in Lawrence, and so it
was the very late forties early fifties that I lived there.
But my father because he had been in Burma during
World War II and got every tropic a disease you
could and ended up getting TV it was seriously ill
(31:15):
and had to go to the n Eden Hospital and
subsequently Pleasant Point. So I lived at Lawrence for about
three or four years as the old Bank of New
Zealand building, which is huge, was where my mother opened
a first bank account in Lawrence.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Well, and you've gone back in time because there's a
family connection, I think to one hundred and twenty five
years ago. We celebrated one farm by the way that
was one hundred and eighty seven years old and in
one family's ownership since the year before we signed the
Treaty of White Tongy. But in nineteen oh one they
had a bike race and I can imagine how tough
it would have been on the gravel roads from Lawrence
(31:53):
to whiter Herna and back again.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
Yep.
Speaker 9 (31:55):
And my grandfather was a photograph through the hock and
Libraries Tiger University, and they've got quite a few people
who were named in it. And my grandfather was number
nineteen and he won it, and I'm actually holding his
medal right now. I plan to give it to a
Lawrence museum when I get back together, or more importantly
(32:16):
get back down to Otago. So but furthermore, Jamie, it
wasn't called a bike race. It was called the Lawrence
Bicycle Pub Race the White of Fancy Music. I've never
heard the term bicycle for so long until I reread it.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Well, now, of course there is a like a rail
trial or not a rail trail there. Yeah, well that
is actually there was a railway through there, but they've
got a bike. You can basically eventually you're about a
bike from Queenstown to Dunedin. It's wonderful what you're doing.
Speaker 9 (32:45):
Yeah, it's absolutely magnificent. And the last seven kilometers get
into the need and the sooner the better. I think.
There's a stop in way Thehrna Is'na with a fantastic
cafe there, and good luck to them for all the
people are on their bikes that need a top up.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Well, they've converted the old railway shed in waiter Herna
to a cafe and I think it's proved very very popular.
Speaker 9 (33:10):
Yeah, yeah, I remember my mother telling me that I
was too young and I don't remember this. This is
just I'm the messenger here from my mother. She used
to say that where we lived in our shop in
the main street of Lawrence wasn't very far from the
railway line, and the railway the train used to go
through at about two am in the morning, un presumably
(33:32):
delivering goods up to works for her.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Well, it is amazing, isn't it. Hey? It was the
fun that ran into a whole lot of interesting farming people.
And like you some listeners to the show, and we
really really appreciate that Big alb Anderson was there his farm.
You remember alb Anderson, the all Black lock. Albi's farm's
been in the same ownership since eighteen ninety four and
(33:56):
he hasn't got any smaller.
Speaker 9 (33:59):
Right, No, But that tells you something about those families
that have done it, because if over the generations there
is more than one or two children that can sort out,
how do they resolve all that out in the ownership
and being fair to the siblings that don't make it,
and also how profitable and how they've changed. A very
interesting article in the Tagadaty Times this morning where you've
(34:21):
got to change with the times. Tell me this, where
is the venue and lawrence? Figure of how many families
were there?
Speaker 2 (34:28):
There was thirty six farms. There, there was two hundred
and eighty people. It's amazing what they do. It's oh
in the local community center. There's a gym there that
the local area high school uses, so they get them
all in. It's quite a big building. But unbelievably, in
this gig and my job and yours, Pete, you go
(34:48):
to lots of corporate functions. I go to too many
to be perfectly honest, but the catering and lawrence for
three hundred people was probably better than anywhere else in
the country.
Speaker 9 (35:00):
Oh god, it's a credit to them. Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Just a final word from you, What are you doing
with yourself these days?
Speaker 9 (35:08):
Well, I've got enough to keep me off the streets,
and I've got com plenty going on. Still, I'm still
patron or a trustee of too many sailing events, and
I'm trying to winkle my way out of those. But
that takes up quite a lot of time. I say,
like the Peter Blake Torbay Rigatta, I'm patron of Tor
(35:29):
Bay and I'm going to their prize giving in a
couple of weeks, and there's enough to keep me off
the streets. And you know, I keep an interest in
various things and listen to various commentries and think, well,
they need someone to help them. But no, I'm still
a Well the big thing is coming up this August.
Three years on the seventh of August, Claudia, who was
(35:52):
my great supporter and did so much for me, she
died suddenly and unexpectedly. So life goes on without. But
it hasn't been as easy as it was.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Well, honestly, it was a real thrill for me. I
was sitting in here and I just finished pre recording
an interview and the phone rings PJ Montgomery. I'm thinking,
what's that? So it was great to hear from you
this morning, Absolutely fantastic and thank you. Thank you Pete
for listening to the country. I know you listen on
Saturday morning.
Speaker 9 (36:22):
I do absolutely ye announce on ten eighty it'll be
easier to get as well, so I'm looking forward to that.
And you're doing a great show and all the stuff
of trees and so on. I know Vera bashed your
way back long ago, but photo syncesses everybody should know that,
and why we're planting pine trees when they don't take
into credit the photo sens it of all our fieldal
(36:45):
national parks and all the other national parks and lit
alone lawns and past sums, yeah, pastures. I mean, I
don't know why we even have a problem and think
about trees.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
But what would I know?
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Well, I know you had no call about PJ. Montgomery.
There you go, the voice of New Zealand sailing. Gee,
I've run horribly over time. I'm gonna have to shuffle
Phil Duncan and the super al Nino. I think till
tomorrow show no problem. He'll keep But up next we're
going to wrap it with some of your feedback, down
(37:25):
wrapping the country with doctor Hook and some of your feedback.
What is to stop China stealing some cuttings? Again from Muzz,
who's often quite cutting himself. I don't know about that one,
Muzz nothing, Maybe I don't know. Jamie Winston's delusional outburst
is Trump esque. All he's doing is trying to promote
(37:47):
his own individual niece an election year from Don. You're
onto it, Don, but you know a lot of people
will support Winston on what he's doing. And you know, maybe,
as I said, I don't agree with the ben Z
thing is a bit fascical, but maybe this Samirt and
his idea to kickstart Newborn's with one thousand dollars and
(38:07):
key we save anything we can do to get key.
We saving is a good thing. And hi Jamie, a
good footy man like you, will be sad. And to
hear the passing of Scott Hastings, I was actually Pete
who's texted in Scottish rugby legend, part of the last
Grand Slam winning Scottish side from nineteen ninety and a
true great alongside his brother Gavin. Gavin Hastings. Yeah, one
(38:30):
of the great fallbacks. Scott was a very good midfield back.
Yeah it's sad. Anyhow, that's today's show. Great to catch
up with. PJ Montgomery will catch you tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
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