December 1, 2025 • 38 mins
Hamish McKay talks to Chris Hipkins, Mike McIntyre, David Birkett, Ben Pratt, and Phil Duncan.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Catch all the latest from the land. It's The Country
Podcast with Jamie McKay thanks to Brents, the starkest of
the leading agriculture brands.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Had good afternoon, settled minutes after midday. Welcome into the country,
hatless McKay and for j M McKay, very short notice,
you could say, but like the cricket with Cain Williamson
coming in on the after the third ball, Devon Conway out,
That's how that Test has started. But the rain is
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coming down, but we'll keep you we'll keep you posted
on the Test match against the West and he's there
The Country brought to you by a brand coming up,
the leader of the opposition, leader of the Labor Party
and how we're going to get more rural GPS. Is
that five hundred k going to make a bit of
a difference. I'm Mike mcintieh head of Derivatives at Jarden's
and the GDD the GDT trend. How concerning is that?
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Another one coming up overnight? One more before Christmas. David
Burgett out of the middle of the South Island and
the Arable two dairy transition. What is the latest happening there?
Something like twenty five farms approved by e cann and
another another twelve or so I think in waiting. That's
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about twenty five thousand extra dairy cows across that part
of the world. Is the arable world struggles a bit.
We'll have the latest news and sport. The wonderful Michelle
will join me for that. We'll talk to Appety's Finest.
You know where Appitity is. Appitty was where that Were's
that beautiful part of the country up in the northern
mon Or two being prated from glenn Gowrie study the
Big Pole Dorset sale yesterday. We'll catch up with that.
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And that leads me to another question for today, which
is your what is your favorite lamb recipe? The best
way to make lamb? And we were here a million
and one ways to do be and all sorts of things.
And I know lamb wrecks are all, you know, real
flash and everything, but what's your best way to do lamb?
I might even ask that of some of our guests today.
Coming up. You are listening to the country right here,
(02:15):
right across the country. Nine minutes after midday, we're joined
by the leader of the opposition, the Labor Party here
on the country. Chris Hipkins, good afternoon, sir. How are you?
Speaker 3 (02:32):
You're great to talk to you.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
How are you fighting? I'm in the mighty matter with
two today. Son is shining. What about you? Where are you?
Speaker 3 (02:39):
I'm in Wellington today and there's a bit of sunshine here.
It's not as warm as it was in Auckland over
the weekend, though it was very warm and beautiful up
in Auckland over the weekid.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Yes, I've heard reports of it being pretty pretty them
warm up in Auckland of Laton coming up earlier, right now. Yeah,
the AGM and how do you sort of what you
give yourself a good solid mark out of ten for that?
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Yeah? I think, you know, you never want to make
yourself too high, so I'd given a good solid eight.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
You know.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
The team's in good shape where we're looking forward to
the election campaign next year. We're seeing our public support increasing,
which is always a nice thing to see, and we're
going to go out there and we're going to really
campaign hard next year.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Do you think getting engaged in the you know, marriage
down the track has given you a bit of a
spring in your step because that's what it looked like.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Oh, that's very cynical, very cynical, hemous, but you know,
it is a lovely thing. I feel very very lucky
at the moment, and it's been really nice. Actually, even
people who don't vote for us have been covering up
to me in the streets. I don't vote for you,
but it's really Diice congratulations. So that's pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Well, that is cool, isn't it? Because at some point
in time, you know, we do lose sight of the
whole growing up thing, don't we when it comes to politics.
So yeah, look, the policy in terms of roll out
and the doctors are loans to doctors. Of course, on
this show, the big thing getting rural doctors, because it's
just so damn hard. Do you think that that's going
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to help.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Well, that'll certainly help get more doctors into practices in
the areas where we don't have them, and we know
that rural communities are some of the ones who are
really struggling at the moment to be able to get
to a doctor. We've got more doctors starting to graduate
from our medical schools because we've increased the number of
trainee places, but takes a long time for them to
work their way through the system. So they start to
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come out of the med schools in the next couple
of years, and by giving them low interest loans so
that they can set up their own general practice or
be able to keep more of them here in New Zealand.
And that's going to be good for us overall. And
if we can get them into rural communities through targeted
low interest loans, I'll be very very happy.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
How many of our graduates do you know that just
shot off shore? And why do they do it so easily?
Speaker 3 (04:47):
I haven't actually got those numbers. I mean, you only
ever have anecdotes in these things, but it does seem
to be quite a few of them head off overseas.
Some of them will come back, but increasingly they're not.
So it's always been the case, particularly for med school graduates.
They want to go and see what the rest of
the world has to offer. And you know, as long
as they're planning to come back, that's not a terrible
thing for us because they get experience and working in
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bigger hospitals and dealing with different diseases and all of
that kind of stuff. But we want them coming home
to New Zealand, and a low interest loan might help
to attract some of our gps and our doctors are
working around the world to come home to New Zealand
because it'll help them set up their own business here.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Okay, what's the next sort of what is it ten
or eleven months hole in store for you?
Speaker 5 (05:32):
Chris?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
What are you hoping it'll be? You know, are we
going to have eleven months of entertainment or what are
we going to see in the countdown to an election?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Our focus is the last election has actually been doing
a lot of solid policy work so that when we
announce things, we work through the detail, we know that
they're actually going to fix the problem that we've identified
and it were going to be deliverable. I think people
have had enough of politicians making promises that they then
don't keep on the campaign after the campaigns all over.
So I want to know that whatever I promise, I
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can actually deliver on it. So for us, you know,
the next twelve months or however long it is might
be less than twelve months until the next election, is
going to be really focused on making sure that we've
got good ideas that are realistic and achievable to take
out onto the campaign trail.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Okay, realistic and achievable for farmers. What's an early Christmas present,
you know, given that there's no dispute, who is the
backbone of the country currently.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Well, you know, we'll have some policies on the primary sector.
But I think probably the good news for farmers as
we head into Christmas that I do want to share.
And I've spent quite a lot of time visiting farms
talking to farmers over the last two years, and I
have been really impressed. I've seen amazing environmental protection that
I don't think farmers get credits for. I've actually had
some conversations with farmers who are really pragmatic and sensible
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and kind of wants to work constructively with the government
to tackle things like climate change in our international obligations
there and issues around how we can continue to market
our stuff internationally with the clean green reputation that we've got,
and so I think there's a huge scope for us
to work together with the farming community. Are we going
to agree on everything? No, of course we're not. But
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I think we can have a much better relationship with
the farming community in the future than perhaps we have
in the recent past.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Chris, I probably should know this, but are you a
meat eat. Do you like lamb?
Speaker 3 (07:25):
I do. I like a bit of lamb, like particularly
like home killed beef. There's something about it. It just
tastes better than the stuff we can get at the supermarket.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Right, because I've got Yesterday, I attended a good friend
of mine who's going to be on the show later
the big Glengarry Poldrs sale in Fielding and one of
the big buyers sends a lot of their lamb direct
up into Asian Malaysian parts of the world. But I
need a lamb recipe because I think you're right about
the beef and the home kill or wherever you get
your beef from. But the lamb, I think is still
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such a massive un tap potential in terms of just
getting the taste bud thing right. How would you recommend it?
Speaker 3 (08:05):
I reckon lamb has got as best as a nice
roast lamb, but you don't want it to dry out,
so you've got to make sure it's still nice and moist.
You can't go past a roast lamb with a nice
home maintenance source.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Well there you go, right heo. Chris, thank you very
much for joining us. Much appreciate it. By the rest
of the day, go well on the capitol, Thank you.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Goods go great to talk to your ho mistake here mate.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
You oh fifteen minutes after midday the country brought here
by a brand Hams mcguaye and like notice soon for
Jamie today Michelle mw We just had a bit of
a chat the leader of the opposition, a bit of
a Lamb fan. But have you got you know, if
I was sort of down south and you know, looking
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for a feed, how would you prepare lamb? What do
you do? Well?
Speaker 6 (08:56):
Actually, Hamish, I have to agree with this texter that
just text and the beast to do lamb is leave
them in the paddock for another year than hog it
anyway as well it lamb is overrated and the chops
are so small. And I actually do agree. We have
a lot of how hog it down home when I
go down to my parents' place down south. And also
mutton very underrated piece of meat if you know how
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to cook it. But I do love my leg of lamb.
I do love my French cutlets and things like that
as well, but can't go past a good piece of
roast hogit, piece.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Of roast hog it. Okay, there you go. Well, I'm
not because I'm just thinking, you know, I'm just thinking
about I don't.
Speaker 7 (09:32):
Know the exponential potential of our LAMB even though we
got about twenty million sheep now compared to the seventy
odd million when I was a seventh.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Former forty two years ago at Parmeer s North Boys
High School. About the only thing I remember from that time.
Speaker 6 (09:47):
Actually, yeah, yeah, it's interesting. I think Lamb's got a
wee bit to go. Beefs obviously doing very very well
at the moment.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Is arming, isn't it.
Speaker 6 (09:55):
We're obviously going to talk more about those pole dorsets
later on in the show.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Yeah, yeah too, right, outstanding, that's all coming up here.
You're on the country sixteen minutes after midday changeous cant
Yes here on the country. Well, the GDT index has
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not moved well in a positive way since early August,
and the prices of dairy products have dropped about thirteen percent.
That will no doubt be raising a little bit of
concern for one or two of You're around the ten
dollar farm gate milk price forecast. To look at this
in more depth. Mike McIntire, head of Derivatives at Jardin,
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I love that word derivatives beautiful, beautiful, beautiful.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Mike, how are you you have every good things so much
on yourself?
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Yeah, and I can't complain sunny day down in the
matter were two today beautiful? Look it'll be you know,
like anything that sort of you know, benefits from sun,
which is the old grass and the water are amazing.
What the two of those come up with, isn't it?
Speaker 7 (11:02):
But what is it?
Speaker 2 (11:03):
What's the main factor sort of playing out here in
terms of these well, what's happened with the GDT since
since August?
Speaker 4 (11:10):
It's really a global issue really, so if we look
at it, Ye, New Zealand progressing very well in terms
of grass growth as you touched on there. So we're
up seasons D eight three point four percent in terms
of production, but so is the rest of the world.
So the EU in September that their milk was up
four percent. The US has probably been a standout in
terms of growth or up four percent in September and
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then close to four percent again in October. And these
are big numbers on big numbers. So we produced twenty
two billion leaders of milk here in New Zealand. The
States is one hundred in Europe is a one hundred
and forty seven one hundred and fifty billion liters. So again,
once you start having big growth on big numbers, unless
you get that domestic population who's looking to acquire the milk,
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then obviously it's got to go out into the export markets.
And you know why we might be small in terms
of global production, we're quite meaningful in terms of global trade.
And so where we see competitions from these behemoths, it
really starts impacting on our ability to top returns.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
So what's driving the big lift and production in the US,
for example.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Just the price. Like initially we've seen a lot of
production go into the States. In terms of new processing facilities,
there's a real focus now in Way, which you would
see globally around the wood and it's not just a
dairy issue, it's it's you know, in any sort of
way producing product group. But there's been a real focus there.
There's been about nine billion spent in the last couple
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of years in terms of new processing plants there. And
in Way that's just finance way, you know, once just
a byproductive of dairy in terms of the fact, but
now it's in everything into snacking products, and into nutrition,
into a nutrition so you know, it's really been ingratiated
into everything that we consume these days, and so the
milk has been demanded by these new processing plants, and
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then as a result, you know, we've seen a bit
of an over well in other products that where there
isn't the same sort of demand, so lesser proteins like
lactose and skimmel powder, and then also the fact as well,
so we're seeing a lot of butter come out of
that part of the world.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
So what is your your long term take, Mike on
what's happening in the US in terms of this increasing
production and in Europe and the likely effect that it's
like to like you to have given us been some
remarkable amounts of money paid for dairy farms as they
start to turn over in an ing z.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Well, it's just a commodity cycle. So we've seen it
a million times, be forum, We'll set it a million
times again. So you know, the cure for high prices
is high prices, and that's just the pain we're wearing
at the moment. You know, we got up to what
teen twenty ten, twenty five in the futures for the
currencies and down to nine to fifty. But if you
look a season FOURD, you know, the futures we're trading
yesterday at eight fifty, which is below what darien Z
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would say would be the cost of production. And so
I think we need some hopefully other parts of the
world to feel the pain first and reduce their production
as a result. You know, they've got more levers they
can pull in terms of you know, they introduced feed
onto the farm, so you know, hopefully their requests less
of the supplementary feed, be it through the grains or
we've even seen in terms of in the States the
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milk ratio of the cost of feed started to fall
quite quickly as well as grain prices recover. We saw
that big news about it. So I've been it's the
trade between the US and the States and corn, and
we have followed along with it as well. So hopefully
it's the other parts of the world that feel the
pain first. But certainly I think it's as part of
any healthy commodity cycle that we've seen so many times before, right.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Gendt auction OVERNIGHTD. What's your sort of feeling insight into.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
That, Well, I hope and I know hope's not a strategy.
I hope we just continue what we've seen previously with
small negative increments. But I think probably what's given us
the greatest concern is just last week's pulse, which fell
three percent, which was bigger than what the market was expecting,
and as a result, the futures have reacted to suggested
we're going to get a larger full night Now. As
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I said, I hope that's not the case, and we
really just need one or two more GDTs to get
through before on the downward slide in terms of the
amount of volume that's been placed on the auctions. The
things I keep an eye out for, just for for
people watching is just the performance of the butter, which
has been, you know, the hero of the New Zealand
commodity cycle. We've stayed so much higher than the rest
of the world in terms of the butter prices and
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also the Chinese participation, so they've been very strong this year,
buying over half the options, and so hopefully those two
things retain remain. But if they don't, then you know,
I think there's some downward pressure to come, and they
coming a month or.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
So, okay, and what one more option before Christmas isn't here,
I think, am I right saying that? Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
Yeah, So you know, once we get into that sort
of Christmas period seasonally we're coming off anyway in New Zealand,
as seasons have been saying to so many people around
the world, it's just got to have it have been
able to correct itself. Yet we're really strong at the
moment three point four percent, but actually wouldn't surprise me,
but by the end of the season that was sort
of come into a smaller growth profile, obviously encouraged by
(16:04):
the fact that we've seen cheap supplement two feed and
piquey and also high milk prices. But you know, the
weather in New Imast has a way of equalizing each year,
so we have a strong start paths with a week
of financial knows.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Great stuff Mike McIntire f and Jardon, thank you very
much for joining us. Much appreciated, Thantamish the Earl listen,
they've got the country Harbus mckaye and for JM McKay
today on your Tuesday right across the country. Great the
(16:36):
hair of your company, well, we talked about this a
little when I was on a few months ago, which
was the well, the one sector of the egg and
farming community doing it pretty tough, the arable industry, and
of course much of it based down around the center
of the South Island and there's just been well it's
come to hand from the Canterbury Regional Council about twenty
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five tho more dairy cows could be added to the
regions heard this year as there is a switch from
many arable farmers into the dairy world. To look at
this more closely, we're joined by Arable Group Chairperson Federated
Farmers David Burkett.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
David, Yeah, am, how's it going?
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yeah good? Thank you, Thank you for joining us. Look
what is driving the decision for some arable farmers to
convert the fully or is it partially only to dairy?
Speaker 8 (17:29):
Yeah's a bit of combination of both there. I guess
there's been some rules which Environment Cannery had in place
which essentially put up a moratorium on conversions and those
rules came came out of effect essentially early on this year.
And with the arable situation currently, the profitability is really
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it's a bit of a struggle to get that profitability
up and that is driven by international prices largely. So
a lot of these decisions are purely economical, and the
opportunity is there now for some of those who have
farms who are able to convert over to derry taking
the option up at the moment, but there's a number
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of hoops which they still need to go through in
order for those conversions to happen.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Yeah, he can say thirty two new con sense have
proved this year, fifteen more in progress. I guess it's
a bit of a tight line, a bit of a
tight rope to walk in terms of the cost of
converting to deiry to warrant the change.
Speaker 8 (18:32):
Yes, it is the cost of everything these days, as
we all know, has gone up hugely, and in order
for these conversions to go ahead, there as a number
of consentings well can concents required and as you're also
were we're getting consents through he can has been problematic
in the.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
Past as well.
Speaker 8 (18:51):
So yeah, there's a lot of water to go under
the brooge for some of these conversions, but a number
are already well down the track, and you know there's
consenting conditions around, especially around discharge obvious fluent and things.
So yeah, there's but the conversions that are going on.
The arable ones are either an arable farm who are
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fully going over to dairy or some of the large
arable farms. What they've done is they'll put half the
farm into dairy and the other half will stay arable,
and that way they can use the synergies between arable
and dairy quite well, particularly around supplement feeds and wintering
of cows and so forth. So you know, those connections
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work really well between the two industries. And that's probably
what we're going to see is about half of those
conversions being arable farms and the other half are probably
dairy dairy dry land blocks which will be converted over
to milking.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
What can you just give us a sort of a
deeper insight into what are the main causes again for
the downturn for arable indian z.
Speaker 8 (20:01):
There's a number of things, but I guess the one
thing is the global wheat price. So a lot of
the crops we grow the wheat price as a benchmark,
and quite often pricing is based around that global benchmark.
And what we're seeing at the moment, we've got the
war in Ukraine and Russia, and both of those guys
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are big exporters of grain and both needing money and
so they are selling grain and so the EU quite
cheaply in order to get some more money to buy
some more bombs to show at each other. The other
thing that's happening is the tariff war in America and
a number of American buyers have gone off buying American
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grain because of the tariffs, and that's put pressure on
the global price as well. So we've got three big
producers Ukraine, Russia and America all struggling to sell at
a reasonable price, and that's holding the global price back.
And we also looks like we've got some reasonable harvest
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coming in from Australia and Argentina as well, so there's
a bit of a glup there and particularly around the grains.
But we are starting to see some recovery in herbage crops,
which is our rye grasses and white clovers which we
grow for seed for the rest of the world. That
market is starting to come right again, So there's a
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little bit of light at the end of the tunnel.
But in general, it's really just static pricing but increasing costs,
and yeah, those margins are getting pretty close to that
break even or be even below break even point.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Is there a bit of a dangerous downward spiral in
terms of I guess the arable farming infrastructure if we
keep dropping our production.
Speaker 8 (21:45):
Exactly, every industry has a critical mass that it sort
of needs in order to maintain and develop and maintain
that infrastructure that is needed. And as we lose arable farmers,
there is a concern that, you know, we'd get to
that point where we can't afford to invest in the industry. Essentially,
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we're not the yet, but you know, and we hope
that new opportunities will come along. But yeah, there's one
thing as we lose farmers, and it's not only just
the infrastructure, it's also the market for things like egg king.
You know, the our industry is quite small in New
Zealand and it's already quite difficult to get some of
the chemicals that we needed registered in New Zealand because
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of the small size of the industry as well. So
the other sort of questions that we start to ask
when we do lose more and more players out of
the arable industry.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
David Burke, thank you very much for joining us. Much appreciated,
great thanks Hamish David Burkett there with us at twelve
thirty four on your Tuesday afternoon. Michelle, how are we
going with those few lamb recipes coming through? Have we do?
(23:00):
We started that sort of you know, that barbecue so
to speak.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
I think I've started something here because there is a
few techs coming through about hog it, roast on the
smoker and things like that. So there are people that
are fans of hogged out there. It's a great cut
of meat, don't don't you know? Yeah, pretend that it's not.
But lamb is also delicious. There are some great ones
coming in, like roast on the barone obviously can't be
a good leg of lamb coming up to Christmas. That's
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usually what people are thinking about right now, Isn't it
my mouse watering thinking about it?
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Actually?
Speaker 6 (23:28):
I love a good leg of lamb with some mint
sauce and a bit of gravy and potatoes.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
What about you the gravy. The gravy's got to be
you know, it's got to be thick, delicious and totally unhealthy. Yeah.
Thing of thing about it is the slow roast, like
I do about the one hundred degrees ten hour, and
you know, like that comes across is really well cooked,
I guess, but it's still beautifully juicy, and slap on
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a whole lot of that, just the neutral kind of
Greek yogurt, as much as you can put on top.
Oh then of course a bit of the old the
old she devil salt that always goes away, doesn't it.
Speaker 6 (24:05):
It sounds like you're cooking Christmas dinner.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
You Yeah, here, there you go, right, what are good
coming up? But a rural news? I guess it must
be about that time of day.
Speaker 6 (24:12):
Yeah, that's right, Rural news is on the way.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Twelve thirty eight, twenty two minutes away from one o'clock.
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You know, I like to take a whole lot of
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there if you want to check into the Test track.
Love Test cricket, the full form of the game and
looking like Liam Lawson of course to keep his Formula
one a seat at racing bulls, which will keep the
unbelievable interest in Formula one riding on a high ahead
(26:36):
of the big decider that it's coming up in Abu Dhabi.
That's going to be absolutely sensational. And it looks like
poor old Yuki Sonoda is on the old chopping block.
There you go. That is our sport. The farthest carrier
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Lolue Denim is you new ov class sixteen minutes away
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We're going to head to well the matter with two
where I'm coming to you from today on this beautiful
(27:24):
sunny day, happy in fact, point and focus, and those
of you who know me won't be surprised that I've
snuck a bit of happity, bit of a r end
of the show. Ben Pratt from glen Garry stud Big Pole,
Dorset sale yesterday at the Fielding Sale Yards. Good afternoon, Ben,
welcome to the show.
Speaker 9 (27:42):
Thank you, amosh. It's great to join you on the radio. Yes,
beautiful day here in the men or two and.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
That oh striking, it's striking is it?
Speaker 8 (27:50):
Now?
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Look tell us how did the sail go yesterday? Fifty
nine years of the glen Garry Sail there and I
was there for a little bit of It started very
strong at the pointing end, but you know, just get
the numbers through that's the challenge now, I.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Guess, yeah, no, it was, it was.
Speaker 9 (28:04):
It was a good sale overall. Yeah, there was a
few paston that we've got to sell privately afterwards, but
you know it was strong and yeah we sold most
of them, so very happy with the way it went.
Thanks yet, heading.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Your targets being because you know the the you know
Pole draws. It's been around for a while, and there
are these new fandangle breeds that we all know about.
But holding your own ground, yeah yeah.
Speaker 9 (28:29):
People always try these new breeds and some of them
come and go, and yeah, they come back to the
old traditional breeds at times, and yeah, I think the
old traditional breeds, yeah hold hold their weight and yet
keep up with everything else.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Yeah, and some astute buyers there being guys who who
who are very good at what they do with the
end product of their land up into parts of the
world where we you know, where they sort of individually
made a name for themselves. So that must be heartening
as well.
Speaker 9 (29:02):
Oh definitely. Yeah, No, we've got some great loyal supporters.
And yeah, I think the fact that my father was
quite pioneering in the sheep industry originally and got into
performance recording from the early days, mainly focusing on growth rates,
primarily trying to grow those leans as quick as possible
(29:26):
up to waits for the works in less time on
the farm. Yeah, less drenching, less dagging, all that sort
of stuff.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Yeah, it was nice to catch up with young Ross
your dad, as you've mentioned now, he was he involved,
you know, the good, great hour of first five eight
that he was back in the day. Well, has he
been involved that whole fifty nine years?
Speaker 9 (29:48):
Yes he has, yep, Yeah, he was out of.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
The womb fifty nine years ago.
Speaker 9 (29:52):
Goodness me right, yeah, I think he was about twenty
when he first started.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's still a great passion. Still see
the glint in his eye when he's there, and he's
obviously very proud of what you've carried on and still doing,
still performing it. Yeah.
Speaker 9 (30:08):
Well, yeah, I don't think I'm half as good as
him yet, but I'm trying my best and yeah, hopefully
I'll get there one day anyway.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Yeah, enjoyable too, And you've got a good team there
with young Callum Stewart I think was sort of leading
the way for you as well.
Speaker 9 (30:24):
Yeah, yeah, Callum's yeah, finishing up as a stud stock. Yes,
I've lived for rightings now, but yeah, he's done a
great job over the years, and Simon Smith as well,
and of course Mary Stuart. He has found out the
PGG team that helps Silda rants.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Yeah, yeah, they do a great job. Was most magnificent
sandwiches for lunch to be And I got to mention
hey and of course, but he's still a great part
of the world. You know, you know, one of the
great sharing shows. You know. We've got the pub up
there now that goes well, and the and the wood
chopping we have sort of it's sort of all going.
And I can tell you this, Ben that I think
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that I hope that the Glen Gary Bold Horse that
start has a very big part to play because there's
something special that's coming out now. Fifty years ago he
was there briefly while you were at Appity Primary School.
Ivan George Desmond, Ivan George a Dog wrote the book
Happity Where's That? And now Carolyn, his beautiful daughter, is
(31:24):
going to be We're going to have another edition so well,
fifty years on and yeah, I don't know what I'm
giving away too much about that, but yeah, yeah, I'm
looking forward to that, and we'll make sure you're in
there too. Because old Buggerlakes he has been asked to
follow in the tradition of my grandfather C. W. Mclie,
(31:45):
who was very good friends with your grandparents. He wrote
the original forward or forward as you call it, and
I'm going to be doing the same. I been great
to chat. Congratulations on another fine sale and and keep
up the good work. Much appreciated.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
Thanks Thomus Scrape talking here.
Speaker 9 (32:04):
Cheers, cheers, Ben.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
There we go being prett out of Glengarry star Pole Horse.
It's appity, oh I forget to mention that he needs
to be at the fielding old boys a GM coming
up to get a few of the young collers back
involved with the club. A there you go. It is
coming up to ten minutes away from one o'clock. The
country brought to you by Brandt in Thelevant class. Eight
(32:48):
minutes away from one the country brought to you by
brand Hamish mckaye in first drop for Jamie McKay today.
But like Devin Conway out third ball, I think they're
just about should be back out on the cricket of
the earlier reports anything to go by in New Zealand
worth five for the loss of one after on a
few overs against the Windy's There time out over to
hair a little bit of a look at the old weather.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Weather on the country with farmlands helping to prevent parasite
outbreaks this summer.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Okay, we're joined by Phil Dagan from where the watch
film we just had apty farmer being prepped on here
Northern Manawatu. Stunning day in this part of the country.
Is that sort of happening elsewhere?
Speaker 5 (33:34):
Yeah, good Hamish, we've got some large areas of dry
but we've also got some big downpours that are developing
and really you know, expect the unexpected a bit over
the next couple of days as we've got this very
large low pressure zone that's forming and about to cross
the country. It crosses the North Island tomorrow night, exits
(33:55):
by just after midnight, so it's moving pretty quickly, but
it's quite a large system, so it's going to affect
both islands and bring in the chants of these very
heavy downpaws, especially around the North Island, but even parts
of Canterbury have had them this morning as well.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Okay, so that's well compared to what's happening in the
Mighty Metal with two that's a bit of a surprise.
Is anywhere that's sort of you know, I know there
was those sort of hawks Outhern Howoks by Northern wire
Rappa with those one or two dry parts. Is there
any anywhere still of concern that's needing that moisture?
Speaker 4 (34:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (34:24):
Absolutely, the eastern side of the Lower North Island. There's
also a western part of the North Island between Tananuki
and about wait Tomo which is dryer than it should be,
and we've got a bit of dry creeping into the
eastern side of the of the South Island as well.
This large low coming in. One of the great things
about it is it's likely to produce some decent rain
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in those dry areas, So it's a bit of a
balancing act coming through hopefully. I don't want to get
ahead of myself, but it produces these big downpaws that
can break your local forecast as far as rainfall is concerned,
So it can produce very heavy rain. But on top
of that, it produces a good southerly rain event after
it as it moves out of the North Island. For
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that dry central eastern part of New Zealand does come
with some strong window and like I say, these possible
severe thunderstorms in the mix as well.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
There. God, yeah, it is a veritable feast of possibility.
So December into January sort of, how are we looking.
Speaker 5 (35:23):
Well, we've got La Nina officially with us now. The
weather pattern has been around for a couple of months,
but now it's officially met that threshold, and now the
next couple of weeks, I think we're going to see
a lot more energy up in the tropics, tropical lows,
potentially tropical cyclones. Some of those are already showing up
in long range maps which you can't lock in, but
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you're seeing that showing up. But at the same time,
the weather pattern around the southern hemisphere, around the Southern
Ocean much stormyer than usual. Australia getting snowstorms, can you
believe it? Off and on every week at the moment.
In the mountains they had fifteen centimeters around threat both
the other day, so it's very stormy in the southern Ocean.
So I think what we're going to see is La
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Nina being noticed definitely at the top of the country
and the sit of ongoing spring carrying on at the
very south of the country. And if you're in the middle,
you can't have a bit of everything coming at you.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Right pell dark and weather watch before you go. We've
been discut. One of the topics of discussion today has
been recipes for lamb you and meet efil you strike
me as well, I could be wrong, Yeah, what do
you do with your lamb? How do you like your
lamb done.
Speaker 5 (36:31):
I love like my mum makes the best roast lamb
with the rosemary, fresh rosemary all over it. That's to
this day my favorite.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Yeah, and quite simple. Low just all about the temperature
and the length of time cooked.
Speaker 5 (36:44):
I make rack of lamb using an air fryer. Imagine
that well, and it works really well. And I just
cover it in fresh rosemary. That's my only thing. And
pepper maybe as well.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Yeah, fantastic, Phil, Thank you very much. I just feel
dark and they're from where the watch. We're coming out
up towards news and sport. We're the top of the
hour at one o'clock. Thank you very much today for
your company here on the country. Brought to you by
Brent Amus McKay in for Jamie McKay. The cricket. I
(37:15):
think we've a better find out whether the cricket's actually
still has resumed down there.
Speaker 6 (37:21):
It hasn't.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Back on it's happened.
Speaker 6 (37:25):
New Zealand is eleven for one at the moment.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Eleven for one. Devin Conway was out third Baard to
sort of getting the recall. I wasn't expecting him to
sort of be part of the mix with Will young
kind of not in form it made sense, but he
won't be too happy with that. But Jimmy Barnes has
been good today till I've got to say. She's got
to say, Jimmy Barnes, Hey, oh.
Speaker 6 (37:49):
Jimmy Barnes. Forty years since? I think was it Working
class Man?
Speaker 2 (37:52):
That album? Is it forty years?
Speaker 6 (37:53):
I think it's forty years nineteen? What about nineteen eighty six? Yeah,
it's been coming out.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Yeah, by eighty six, Yeah, yeah, sort of after the
cult Chisel, the Haide Old Day, say the Heidy Old Day.
Is that us done?
Speaker 9 (38:07):
Is it it is?
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Indeed it is. We'll do it all again another day.
This has been in the country, so.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Had good afternoon, settled minutes after midday. Welcome into the country,
hatless McKay and for j M McKay, very short notice,
you could say, but like the cricket with Cain Williamson
coming in on the after the third ball, Devon Conway out,
That's how that Test has started. But the rain is
(00:44):
coming down, but we'll keep you we'll keep you posted
on the Test match against the West and he's there
The Country brought to you by a brand coming up,
the leader of the opposition, leader of the Labor Party
and how we're going to get more rural GPS. Is
that five hundred k going to make a bit of
a difference. I'm Mike mcintieh head of Derivatives at Jarden's
and the GDD the GDT trend. How concerning is that?
(01:07):
Another one coming up overnight? One more before Christmas. David
Burgett out of the middle of the South Island and
the Arable two dairy transition. What is the latest happening there?
Something like twenty five farms approved by e cann and
another another twelve or so I think in waiting. That's
(01:28):
about twenty five thousand extra dairy cows across that part
of the world. Is the arable world struggles a bit.
We'll have the latest news and sport. The wonderful Michelle
will join me for that. We'll talk to Appety's Finest.
You know where Appitity is. Appitty was where that Were's
that beautiful part of the country up in the northern
mon Or two being prated from glenn Gowrie study the
Big Pole Dorset sale yesterday. We'll catch up with that.
(01:51):
And that leads me to another question for today, which
is your what is your favorite lamb recipe? The best
way to make lamb? And we were here a million
and one ways to do be and all sorts of things.
And I know lamb wrecks are all, you know, real
flash and everything, but what's your best way to do lamb?
I might even ask that of some of our guests today.
Coming up. You are listening to the country right here,
(02:15):
right across the country. Nine minutes after midday, we're joined
by the leader of the opposition, the Labor Party here
on the country. Chris Hipkins, good afternoon, sir. How are you?
Speaker 3 (02:32):
You're great to talk to you.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
How are you fighting? I'm in the mighty matter with
two today. Son is shining. What about you? Where are you?
Speaker 3 (02:39):
I'm in Wellington today and there's a bit of sunshine here.
It's not as warm as it was in Auckland over
the weekend, though it was very warm and beautiful up
in Auckland over the weekid.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Yes, I've heard reports of it being pretty pretty them
warm up in Auckland of Laton coming up earlier, right now. Yeah,
the AGM and how do you sort of what you
give yourself a good solid mark out of ten for that?
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Yeah? I think, you know, you never want to make
yourself too high, so I'd given a good solid eight.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
You know.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
The team's in good shape where we're looking forward to
the election campaign next year. We're seeing our public support increasing,
which is always a nice thing to see, and we're
going to go out there and we're going to really
campaign hard next year.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Do you think getting engaged in the you know, marriage
down the track has given you a bit of a
spring in your step because that's what it looked like.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Oh, that's very cynical, very cynical, hemous, but you know,
it is a lovely thing. I feel very very lucky
at the moment, and it's been really nice. Actually, even
people who don't vote for us have been covering up
to me in the streets. I don't vote for you,
but it's really Diice congratulations. So that's pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Well, that is cool, isn't it? Because at some point
in time, you know, we do lose sight of the
whole growing up thing, don't we when it comes to politics.
So yeah, look, the policy in terms of roll out
and the doctors are loans to doctors. Of course, on
this show, the big thing getting rural doctors, because it's
just so damn hard. Do you think that that's going
(04:04):
to help.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Well, that'll certainly help get more doctors into practices in
the areas where we don't have them, and we know
that rural communities are some of the ones who are
really struggling at the moment to be able to get
to a doctor. We've got more doctors starting to graduate
from our medical schools because we've increased the number of
trainee places, but takes a long time for them to
work their way through the system. So they start to
(04:26):
come out of the med schools in the next couple
of years, and by giving them low interest loans so
that they can set up their own general practice or
be able to keep more of them here in New Zealand.
And that's going to be good for us overall. And
if we can get them into rural communities through targeted
low interest loans, I'll be very very happy.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
How many of our graduates do you know that just
shot off shore? And why do they do it so easily?
Speaker 3 (04:47):
I haven't actually got those numbers. I mean, you only
ever have anecdotes in these things, but it does seem
to be quite a few of them head off overseas.
Some of them will come back, but increasingly they're not.
So it's always been the case, particularly for med school graduates.
They want to go and see what the rest of
the world has to offer. And you know, as long
as they're planning to come back, that's not a terrible
thing for us because they get experience and working in
(05:10):
bigger hospitals and dealing with different diseases and all of
that kind of stuff. But we want them coming home
to New Zealand, and a low interest loan might help
to attract some of our gps and our doctors are
working around the world to come home to New Zealand
because it'll help them set up their own business here.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Okay, what's the next sort of what is it ten
or eleven months hole in store for you?
Speaker 5 (05:32):
Chris?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
What are you hoping it'll be? You know, are we
going to have eleven months of entertainment or what are
we going to see in the countdown to an election?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Our focus is the last election has actually been doing
a lot of solid policy work so that when we
announce things, we work through the detail, we know that
they're actually going to fix the problem that we've identified
and it were going to be deliverable. I think people
have had enough of politicians making promises that they then
don't keep on the campaign after the campaigns all over.
So I want to know that whatever I promise, I
(06:02):
can actually deliver on it. So for us, you know,
the next twelve months or however long it is might
be less than twelve months until the next election, is
going to be really focused on making sure that we've
got good ideas that are realistic and achievable to take
out onto the campaign trail.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Okay, realistic and achievable for farmers. What's an early Christmas present,
you know, given that there's no dispute, who is the
backbone of the country currently.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Well, you know, we'll have some policies on the primary sector.
But I think probably the good news for farmers as
we head into Christmas that I do want to share.
And I've spent quite a lot of time visiting farms
talking to farmers over the last two years, and I
have been really impressed. I've seen amazing environmental protection that
I don't think farmers get credits for. I've actually had
some conversations with farmers who are really pragmatic and sensible
(06:54):
and kind of wants to work constructively with the government
to tackle things like climate change in our international obligations
there and issues around how we can continue to market
our stuff internationally with the clean green reputation that we've got,
and so I think there's a huge scope for us
to work together with the farming community. Are we going
to agree on everything? No, of course we're not. But
(07:15):
I think we can have a much better relationship with
the farming community in the future than perhaps we have
in the recent past.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Chris, I probably should know this, but are you a
meat eat. Do you like lamb?
Speaker 3 (07:25):
I do. I like a bit of lamb, like particularly
like home killed beef. There's something about it. It just
tastes better than the stuff we can get at the supermarket.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Right, because I've got Yesterday, I attended a good friend
of mine who's going to be on the show later
the big Glengarry Poldrs sale in Fielding and one of
the big buyers sends a lot of their lamb direct
up into Asian Malaysian parts of the world. But I
need a lamb recipe because I think you're right about
the beef and the home kill or wherever you get
your beef from. But the lamb, I think is still
(07:58):
such a massive un tap potential in terms of just
getting the taste bud thing right. How would you recommend it?
Speaker 3 (08:05):
I reckon lamb has got as best as a nice
roast lamb, but you don't want it to dry out,
so you've got to make sure it's still nice and moist.
You can't go past a roast lamb with a nice
home maintenance source.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Well there you go, right heo. Chris, thank you very
much for joining us. Much appreciate it. By the rest
of the day, go well on the capitol, Thank you.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Goods go great to talk to your ho mistake here mate.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
You oh fifteen minutes after midday the country brought here
by a brand Hams mcguaye and like notice soon for
Jamie today Michelle mw We just had a bit of
a chat the leader of the opposition, a bit of
a Lamb fan. But have you got you know, if
I was sort of down south and you know, looking
(08:52):
for a feed, how would you prepare lamb? What do
you do? Well?
Speaker 6 (08:56):
Actually, Hamish, I have to agree with this texter that
just text and the beast to do lamb is leave
them in the paddock for another year than hog it
anyway as well it lamb is overrated and the chops
are so small. And I actually do agree. We have
a lot of how hog it down home when I
go down to my parents' place down south. And also
mutton very underrated piece of meat if you know how
(09:17):
to cook it. But I do love my leg of lamb.
I do love my French cutlets and things like that
as well, but can't go past a good piece of
roast hogit, piece.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Of roast hog it. Okay, there you go. Well, I'm
not because I'm just thinking, you know, I'm just thinking
about I don't.
Speaker 7 (09:32):
Know the exponential potential of our LAMB even though we
got about twenty million sheep now compared to the seventy
odd million when I was a seventh.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Former forty two years ago at Parmeer s North Boys
High School. About the only thing I remember from that time.
Speaker 6 (09:47):
Actually, yeah, yeah, it's interesting. I think Lamb's got a
wee bit to go. Beefs obviously doing very very well
at the moment.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Is arming, isn't it.
Speaker 6 (09:55):
We're obviously going to talk more about those pole dorsets
later on in the show.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Yeah, yeah too, right, outstanding, that's all coming up here.
You're on the country sixteen minutes after midday changeous cant
Yes here on the country. Well, the GDT index has
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not moved well in a positive way since early August,
and the prices of dairy products have dropped about thirteen percent.
That will no doubt be raising a little bit of
concern for one or two of You're around the ten
dollar farm gate milk price forecast. To look at this
in more depth. Mike McIntire, head of Derivatives at Jardin,
(10:44):
I love that word derivatives beautiful, beautiful, beautiful.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Mike, how are you you have every good things so much
on yourself?
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Yeah, and I can't complain sunny day down in the
matter were two today beautiful? Look it'll be you know,
like anything that sort of you know, benefits from sun,
which is the old grass and the water are amazing.
What the two of those come up with, isn't it?
Speaker 7 (11:02):
But what is it?
Speaker 2 (11:03):
What's the main factor sort of playing out here in
terms of these well, what's happened with the GDT since
since August?
Speaker 4 (11:10):
It's really a global issue really, so if we look
at it, Ye, New Zealand progressing very well in terms
of grass growth as you touched on there. So we're
up seasons D eight three point four percent in terms
of production, but so is the rest of the world.
So the EU in September that their milk was up
four percent. The US has probably been a standout in
terms of growth or up four percent in September and
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then close to four percent again in October. And these
are big numbers on big numbers. So we produced twenty
two billion leaders of milk here in New Zealand. The
States is one hundred in Europe is a one hundred
and forty seven one hundred and fifty billion liters. So again,
once you start having big growth on big numbers, unless
you get that domestic population who's looking to acquire the milk,
(11:53):
then obviously it's got to go out into the export markets.
And you know why we might be small in terms
of global production, we're quite meaningful in terms of global trade.
And so where we see competitions from these behemoths, it
really starts impacting on our ability to top returns.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
So what's driving the big lift and production in the US,
for example.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Just the price. Like initially we've seen a lot of
production go into the States. In terms of new processing facilities,
there's a real focus now in Way, which you would
see globally around the wood and it's not just a
dairy issue, it's it's you know, in any sort of
way producing product group. But there's been a real focus there.
There's been about nine billion spent in the last couple
(12:34):
of years in terms of new processing plants there. And
in Way that's just finance way, you know, once just
a byproductive of dairy in terms of the fact, but
now it's in everything into snacking products, and into nutrition,
into a nutrition so you know, it's really been ingratiated
into everything that we consume these days, and so the
milk has been demanded by these new processing plants, and
(12:56):
then as a result, you know, we've seen a bit
of an over well in other products that where there
isn't the same sort of demand, so lesser proteins like
lactose and skimmel powder, and then also the fact as well,
so we're seeing a lot of butter come out of
that part of the world.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
So what is your your long term take, Mike on
what's happening in the US in terms of this increasing
production and in Europe and the likely effect that it's
like to like you to have given us been some
remarkable amounts of money paid for dairy farms as they
start to turn over in an ing z.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Well, it's just a commodity cycle. So we've seen it
a million times, be forum, We'll set it a million
times again. So you know, the cure for high prices
is high prices, and that's just the pain we're wearing
at the moment. You know, we got up to what
teen twenty ten, twenty five in the futures for the
currencies and down to nine to fifty. But if you
look a season FOURD, you know, the futures we're trading
yesterday at eight fifty, which is below what darien Z
(13:51):
would say would be the cost of production. And so
I think we need some hopefully other parts of the
world to feel the pain first and reduce their production
as a result. You know, they've got more levers they
can pull in terms of you know, they introduced feed
onto the farm, so you know, hopefully their requests less
of the supplementary feed, be it through the grains or
we've even seen in terms of in the States the
(14:13):
milk ratio of the cost of feed started to fall
quite quickly as well as grain prices recover. We saw
that big news about it. So I've been it's the
trade between the US and the States and corn, and
we have followed along with it as well. So hopefully
it's the other parts of the world that feel the
pain first. But certainly I think it's as part of
any healthy commodity cycle that we've seen so many times before, right.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Gendt auction OVERNIGHTD. What's your sort of feeling insight into.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
That, Well, I hope and I know hope's not a strategy.
I hope we just continue what we've seen previously with
small negative increments. But I think probably what's given us
the greatest concern is just last week's pulse, which fell
three percent, which was bigger than what the market was expecting,
and as a result, the futures have reacted to suggested
we're going to get a larger full night Now. As
(15:00):
I said, I hope that's not the case, and we
really just need one or two more GDTs to get
through before on the downward slide in terms of the
amount of volume that's been placed on the auctions. The
things I keep an eye out for, just for for
people watching is just the performance of the butter, which
has been, you know, the hero of the New Zealand
commodity cycle. We've stayed so much higher than the rest
of the world in terms of the butter prices and
(15:22):
also the Chinese participation, so they've been very strong this year,
buying over half the options, and so hopefully those two
things retain remain. But if they don't, then you know,
I think there's some downward pressure to come, and they
coming a month or.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
So, okay, and what one more option before Christmas isn't here,
I think, am I right saying that? Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
Yeah, So you know, once we get into that sort
of Christmas period seasonally we're coming off anyway in New Zealand,
as seasons have been saying to so many people around
the world, it's just got to have it have been
able to correct itself. Yet we're really strong at the
moment three point four percent, but actually wouldn't surprise me,
but by the end of the season that was sort
of come into a smaller growth profile, obviously encouraged by
(16:04):
the fact that we've seen cheap supplement two feed and
piquey and also high milk prices. But you know, the
weather in New Imast has a way of equalizing each year,
so we have a strong start paths with a week
of financial knows.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Great stuff Mike McIntire f and Jardon, thank you very
much for joining us. Much appreciated, Thantamish the Earl listen,
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(16:36):
hair of your company, well, we talked about this a
little when I was on a few months ago, which
was the well, the one sector of the egg and
farming community doing it pretty tough, the arable industry, and
of course much of it based down around the center
of the South Island and there's just been well it's
come to hand from the Canterbury Regional Council about twenty
(16:59):
five tho more dairy cows could be added to the
regions heard this year as there is a switch from
many arable farmers into the dairy world. To look at
this more closely, we're joined by Arable Group Chairperson Federated
Farmers David Burkett.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
David, Yeah, am, how's it going?
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yeah good? Thank you, Thank you for joining us. Look
what is driving the decision for some arable farmers to
convert the fully or is it partially only to dairy?
Speaker 8 (17:29):
Yeah's a bit of combination of both there. I guess
there's been some rules which Environment Cannery had in place
which essentially put up a moratorium on conversions and those
rules came came out of effect essentially early on this year.
And with the arable situation currently, the profitability is really
(17:52):
it's a bit of a struggle to get that profitability
up and that is driven by international prices largely. So
a lot of these decisions are purely economical, and the
opportunity is there now for some of those who have
farms who are able to convert over to derry taking
the option up at the moment, but there's a number
(18:14):
of hoops which they still need to go through in
order for those conversions to happen.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Yeah, he can say thirty two new con sense have
proved this year, fifteen more in progress. I guess it's
a bit of a tight line, a bit of a
tight rope to walk in terms of the cost of
converting to deiry to warrant the change.
Speaker 8 (18:32):
Yes, it is the cost of everything these days, as
we all know, has gone up hugely, and in order
for these conversions to go ahead, there as a number
of consentings well can concents required and as you're also
were we're getting consents through he can has been problematic
in the.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
Past as well.
Speaker 8 (18:51):
So yeah, there's a lot of water to go under
the brooge for some of these conversions, but a number
are already well down the track, and you know there's
consenting conditions around, especially around discharge obvious fluent and things.
So yeah, there's but the conversions that are going on.
The arable ones are either an arable farm who are
(19:13):
fully going over to dairy or some of the large
arable farms. What they've done is they'll put half the
farm into dairy and the other half will stay arable,
and that way they can use the synergies between arable
and dairy quite well, particularly around supplement feeds and wintering
of cows and so forth. So you know, those connections
(19:34):
work really well between the two industries. And that's probably
what we're going to see is about half of those
conversions being arable farms and the other half are probably
dairy dairy dry land blocks which will be converted over
to milking.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
What can you just give us a sort of a
deeper insight into what are the main causes again for
the downturn for arable indian z.
Speaker 8 (20:01):
There's a number of things, but I guess the one
thing is the global wheat price. So a lot of
the crops we grow the wheat price as a benchmark,
and quite often pricing is based around that global benchmark.
And what we're seeing at the moment, we've got the
war in Ukraine and Russia, and both of those guys
(20:21):
are big exporters of grain and both needing money and
so they are selling grain and so the EU quite
cheaply in order to get some more money to buy
some more bombs to show at each other. The other
thing that's happening is the tariff war in America and
a number of American buyers have gone off buying American
(20:41):
grain because of the tariffs, and that's put pressure on
the global price as well. So we've got three big
producers Ukraine, Russia and America all struggling to sell at
a reasonable price, and that's holding the global price back.
And we also looks like we've got some reasonable harvest
(21:01):
coming in from Australia and Argentina as well, so there's
a bit of a glup there and particularly around the grains.
But we are starting to see some recovery in herbage crops,
which is our rye grasses and white clovers which we
grow for seed for the rest of the world. That
market is starting to come right again, So there's a
(21:23):
little bit of light at the end of the tunnel.
But in general, it's really just static pricing but increasing costs,
and yeah, those margins are getting pretty close to that
break even or be even below break even point.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Is there a bit of a dangerous downward spiral in
terms of I guess the arable farming infrastructure if we
keep dropping our production.
Speaker 8 (21:45):
Exactly, every industry has a critical mass that it sort
of needs in order to maintain and develop and maintain
that infrastructure that is needed. And as we lose arable farmers,
there is a concern that, you know, we'd get to
that point where we can't afford to invest in the industry. Essentially,
(22:05):
we're not the yet, but you know, and we hope
that new opportunities will come along. But yeah, there's one
thing as we lose farmers, and it's not only just
the infrastructure, it's also the market for things like egg king.
You know, the our industry is quite small in New
Zealand and it's already quite difficult to get some of
the chemicals that we needed registered in New Zealand because
(22:28):
of the small size of the industry as well. So
the other sort of questions that we start to ask
when we do lose more and more players out of
the arable industry.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
David Burke, thank you very much for joining us. Much appreciated,
great thanks Hamish David Burkett there with us at twelve
thirty four on your Tuesday afternoon. Michelle, how are we
going with those few lamb recipes coming through? Have we do?
(23:00):
We started that sort of you know, that barbecue so
to speak.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
I think I've started something here because there is a
few techs coming through about hog it, roast on the
smoker and things like that. So there are people that
are fans of hogged out there. It's a great cut
of meat, don't don't you know? Yeah, pretend that it's not.
But lamb is also delicious. There are some great ones
coming in, like roast on the barone obviously can't be
a good leg of lamb coming up to Christmas. That's
(23:24):
usually what people are thinking about right now, Isn't it
my mouse watering thinking about it?
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Actually?
Speaker 6 (23:28):
I love a good leg of lamb with some mint
sauce and a bit of gravy and potatoes.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
What about you the gravy. The gravy's got to be
you know, it's got to be thick, delicious and totally unhealthy. Yeah.
Thing of thing about it is the slow roast, like
I do about the one hundred degrees ten hour, and
you know, like that comes across is really well cooked,
I guess, but it's still beautifully juicy, and slap on
(23:52):
a whole lot of that, just the neutral kind of
Greek yogurt, as much as you can put on top.
Oh then of course a bit of the old the
old she devil salt that always goes away, doesn't it.
Speaker 6 (24:05):
It sounds like you're cooking Christmas dinner.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
You Yeah, here, there you go, right, what are good
coming up? But a rural news? I guess it must
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Speaker 6 (24:12):
Yeah, that's right, Rural news is on the way.
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You know, I like to take a whole lot of
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That's rare.
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Yeah, rain delays in the test cricket from christ Church
now do you to be back in the middle shortly?
That's around about twelve forty five, so around about five
minutes from now, New Zealand will resume at five for
the loss of one wicket. Devin Conway was out third ball,
Caine Williamson and in a hurries three. Tom Latham also
there when they returned to the crease on one, So
(26:14):
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(26:36):
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That's going to be absolutely sensational. And it looks like
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There you go. That is our sport. The farthest carrier
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We're going to head to well the matter with two
where I'm coming to you from today on this beautiful
(27:24):
sunny day, happy in fact, point and focus, and those
of you who know me won't be surprised that I've
snuck a bit of happity, bit of a r end
of the show. Ben Pratt from glen Garry stud Big Pole,
Dorset sale yesterday at the Fielding Sale Yards. Good afternoon, Ben,
welcome to the show.
Speaker 9 (27:42):
Thank you, amosh. It's great to join you on the radio. Yes,
beautiful day here in the men or two and.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
That oh striking, it's striking is it?
Speaker 8 (27:50):
Now?
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Look tell us how did the sail go yesterday? Fifty
nine years of the glen Garry Sail there and I
was there for a little bit of It started very
strong at the pointing end, but you know, just get
the numbers through that's the challenge now, I.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Guess, yeah, no, it was, it was.
Speaker 9 (28:04):
It was a good sale overall. Yeah, there was a
few paston that we've got to sell privately afterwards, but
you know it was strong and yeah we sold most
of them, so very happy with the way it went.
Thanks yet, heading.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Your targets being because you know the the you know
Pole draws. It's been around for a while, and there
are these new fandangle breeds that we all know about.
But holding your own ground, yeah yeah.
Speaker 9 (28:29):
People always try these new breeds and some of them
come and go, and yeah, they come back to the
old traditional breeds at times, and yeah, I think the
old traditional breeds, yeah hold hold their weight and yet
keep up with everything else.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Yeah, and some astute buyers there being guys who who
who are very good at what they do with the
end product of their land up into parts of the
world where we you know, where they sort of individually
made a name for themselves. So that must be heartening
as well.
Speaker 9 (29:02):
Oh definitely. Yeah, No, we've got some great loyal supporters.
And yeah, I think the fact that my father was
quite pioneering in the sheep industry originally and got into
performance recording from the early days, mainly focusing on growth rates,
primarily trying to grow those leans as quick as possible
(29:26):
up to waits for the works in less time on
the farm. Yeah, less drenching, less dagging, all that sort
of stuff.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Yeah, it was nice to catch up with young Ross
your dad, as you've mentioned now, he was he involved,
you know, the good, great hour of first five eight
that he was back in the day. Well, has he
been involved that whole fifty nine years?
Speaker 9 (29:48):
Yes he has, yep, Yeah, he was out of.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
The womb fifty nine years ago.
Speaker 9 (29:52):
Goodness me right, yeah, I think he was about twenty
when he first started.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's still a great passion. Still see
the glint in his eye when he's there, and he's
obviously very proud of what you've carried on and still doing,
still performing it. Yeah.
Speaker 9 (30:08):
Well, yeah, I don't think I'm half as good as
him yet, but I'm trying my best and yeah, hopefully
I'll get there one day anyway.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Yeah, enjoyable too, And you've got a good team there
with young Callum Stewart I think was sort of leading
the way for you as well.
Speaker 9 (30:24):
Yeah, yeah, Callum's yeah, finishing up as a stud stock. Yes,
I've lived for rightings now, but yeah, he's done a
great job over the years, and Simon Smith as well,
and of course Mary Stuart. He has found out the
PGG team that helps Silda rants.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Yeah, yeah, they do a great job. Was most magnificent
sandwiches for lunch to be And I got to mention
hey and of course, but he's still a great part
of the world. You know, you know, one of the
great sharing shows. You know. We've got the pub up
there now that goes well, and the and the wood
chopping we have sort of it's sort of all going.
And I can tell you this, Ben that I think
(31:03):
that I hope that the Glen Gary Bold Horse that
start has a very big part to play because there's
something special that's coming out now. Fifty years ago he
was there briefly while you were at Appity Primary School.
Ivan George Desmond, Ivan George a Dog wrote the book
Happity Where's That? And now Carolyn, his beautiful daughter, is
(31:24):
going to be We're going to have another edition so well,
fifty years on and yeah, I don't know what I'm
giving away too much about that, but yeah, yeah, I'm
looking forward to that, and we'll make sure you're in
there too. Because old Buggerlakes he has been asked to
follow in the tradition of my grandfather C. W. Mclie,
(31:45):
who was very good friends with your grandparents. He wrote
the original forward or forward as you call it, and
I'm going to be doing the same. I been great
to chat. Congratulations on another fine sale and and keep
up the good work. Much appreciated.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
Thanks Thomus Scrape talking here.
Speaker 9 (32:04):
Cheers, cheers, Ben.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
There we go being prett out of Glengarry star Pole Horse.
It's appity, oh I forget to mention that he needs
to be at the fielding old boys a GM coming
up to get a few of the young collers back
involved with the club. A there you go. It is
coming up to ten minutes away from one o'clock. The
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(32:48):
minutes away from one the country brought to you by
brand Hamish mckaye in first drop for Jamie McKay today.
But like Devin Conway out third ball, I think they're
just about should be back out on the cricket of
the earlier reports anything to go by in New Zealand
worth five for the loss of one after on a
few overs against the Windy's There time out over to
hair a little bit of a look at the old weather.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Weather on the country with farmlands helping to prevent parasite
outbreaks this summer.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Okay, we're joined by Phil Dagan from where the watch
film we just had apty farmer being prepped on here
Northern Manawatu. Stunning day in this part of the country.
Is that sort of happening elsewhere?
Speaker 5 (33:34):
Yeah, good Hamish, we've got some large areas of dry
but we've also got some big downpours that are developing
and really you know, expect the unexpected a bit over
the next couple of days as we've got this very
large low pressure zone that's forming and about to cross
the country. It crosses the North Island tomorrow night, exits
(33:55):
by just after midnight, so it's moving pretty quickly, but
it's quite a large system, so it's going to affect
both islands and bring in the chants of these very
heavy downpaws, especially around the North Island, but even parts
of Canterbury have had them this morning as well.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Okay, so that's well compared to what's happening in the
Mighty Metal with two that's a bit of a surprise.
Is anywhere that's sort of you know, I know there
was those sort of hawks Outhern Howoks by Northern wire
Rappa with those one or two dry parts. Is there
any anywhere still of concern that's needing that moisture?
Speaker 4 (34:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (34:24):
Absolutely, the eastern side of the Lower North Island. There's
also a western part of the North Island between Tananuki
and about wait Tomo which is dryer than it should be,
and we've got a bit of dry creeping into the
eastern side of the of the South Island as well.
This large low coming in. One of the great things
about it is it's likely to produce some decent rain
(34:46):
in those dry areas, So it's a bit of a
balancing act coming through hopefully. I don't want to get
ahead of myself, but it produces these big downpaws that
can break your local forecast as far as rainfall is concerned,
So it can produce very heavy rain. But on top
of that, it produces a good southerly rain event after
it as it moves out of the North Island. For
(35:06):
that dry central eastern part of New Zealand does come
with some strong window and like I say, these possible
severe thunderstorms in the mix as well.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
There. God, yeah, it is a veritable feast of possibility.
So December into January sort of, how are we looking.
Speaker 5 (35:23):
Well, we've got La Nina officially with us now. The
weather pattern has been around for a couple of months,
but now it's officially met that threshold, and now the
next couple of weeks, I think we're going to see
a lot more energy up in the tropics, tropical lows,
potentially tropical cyclones. Some of those are already showing up
in long range maps which you can't lock in, but
(35:44):
you're seeing that showing up. But at the same time,
the weather pattern around the southern hemisphere, around the Southern
Ocean much stormyer than usual. Australia getting snowstorms, can you
believe it? Off and on every week at the moment.
In the mountains they had fifteen centimeters around threat both
the other day, so it's very stormy in the southern Ocean.
So I think what we're going to see is La
(36:04):
Nina being noticed definitely at the top of the country
and the sit of ongoing spring carrying on at the
very south of the country. And if you're in the middle,
you can't have a bit of everything coming at you.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Right pell dark and weather watch before you go. We've
been discut. One of the topics of discussion today has
been recipes for lamb you and meet efil you strike
me as well, I could be wrong, Yeah, what do
you do with your lamb? How do you like your
lamb done.
Speaker 5 (36:31):
I love like my mum makes the best roast lamb
with the rosemary, fresh rosemary all over it. That's to
this day my favorite.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Yeah, and quite simple. Low just all about the temperature
and the length of time cooked.
Speaker 5 (36:44):
I make rack of lamb using an air fryer. Imagine
that well, and it works really well. And I just
cover it in fresh rosemary. That's my only thing. And
pepper maybe as well.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Yeah, fantastic, Phil, Thank you very much. I just feel
dark and they're from where the watch. We're coming out
up towards news and sport. We're the top of the
hour at one o'clock. Thank you very much today for
your company here on the country. Brought to you by
Brent Amus McKay in for Jamie McKay. The cricket. I
(37:15):
think we've a better find out whether the cricket's actually
still has resumed down there.
Speaker 6 (37:21):
It hasn't.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Back on it's happened.
Speaker 6 (37:25):
New Zealand is eleven for one at the moment.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Eleven for one. Devin Conway was out third Baard to
sort of getting the recall. I wasn't expecting him to
sort of be part of the mix with Will young
kind of not in form it made sense, but he
won't be too happy with that. But Jimmy Barnes has
been good today till I've got to say. She's got
to say, Jimmy Barnes, Hey, oh.
Speaker 6 (37:49):
Jimmy Barnes. Forty years since? I think was it Working
class Man?
Speaker 2 (37:52):
That album? Is it forty years?
Speaker 6 (37:53):
I think it's forty years nineteen? What about nineteen eighty six? Yeah,
it's been coming out.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Yeah, by eighty six, Yeah, yeah, sort of after the
cult Chisel, the Haide Old Day, say the Heidy Old Day.
Is that us done?
Speaker 9 (38:07):
Is it it is?
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Indeed it is. We'll do it all again another day.
This has been in the country, so.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
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