June 15, 2026 • 39 mins
Jamie Mackay talks to Cameron Bagrie, Damien O'Connor, Mark Warren, Ed Laver, and Todd Clark.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Catch all the latest from the land. It's The Country
Podcast with Jamie McKay thanks to Farmlands with feed for
every animal from chucks to dogs.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Good afternoon, New Zealand. Welcome to the Country. I'm Jamie McKay.
The show's brought to you by Suzu, Great Deals on
at the moment and Farmlands Flock of Seagulls eighties one
hit Wonders Iran while we're playing them at one o'clock.
We'll update that one at Sports News or when we
do our Sports News at the bottom of the hour
(00:52):
as the All Whites kick off their World Cup campaign.
Looking forward to that one and of course the Super
Rugby Final this weekend sold out. In fifteen minutes, We're
going to kick off the show with Cameron Bagri and
Dependent Economists, get his thoughts on Trump's peace deal what
it might mean for our economy, Damian O'Connor, Labour's Trades
Spurs Trades spokesperson, mister Mitfield Days of course, former Minister
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of Agriculture, but I'm really keen to get his commentary
on the upside for world trade if a peace or
if peace permanently breaks out and the Middle East. Plus
we'll ask him. I'm getting sick of asking this question
of him and Joe Luxon. Where is Agg's or Labour's
ag policy, em missions policy, Paris agreement policy? Have they
got one? Mark Warren, He'll share you up. Hawks Bay,
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Sheep and beef farmer, black gold and black hats. Believe
it or not, yesterday an angus ball, a black angus ball.
They're all black, aren't They are sold for a record
one hundred and sixty eight thousand dollars as a red
meat goes nuts. We're going to stay with the Hawks
Bay area, Southern Hawk's Bay. I think you'd describe it
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is where we'll find ed Lavor. We continue our series
profiling the seven FMG Young Farmer of the Year grand finalists.
He's the East Coast regional winner, a young man who's
no stranger to big competitions, having competed in the likes
of the Coast to Coast and God Zone and Todd
Clark's our US farming correspondent. He's currently in a Farm
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Bureau meeting that is the equivalent of our Federated Farmers.
He's going to step out and talk to us about
Trump and farming and gas prices in the USA. It's
all on the country and it's all brought to you
by Isuzu and Farmlands. Cameron Bagri to kick the show
off as we await at one o'clock kickoff for our
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first World Cup football game. Well, yesterday was a big
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day for Donald Trump. He turned eighty, He had the
UFC on the White House lawn. But more importantly for
the rest of the world, he broke it a peace
deal in the Middle East. What might a lasting deal
mean for us here in New Zealand as farmers and
business people. Let's ask independent economist Cameron Bagriy.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Well, that's good news at face lure, subject to the
cease for holder. The biggest shoe out here is the
nukes or by RAN's nuclear capability or not. You know,
that was what they're after in the first place. They
haven't got it on that subject to another sort of deal.
But yeah, glass full. The moves being opened and it's
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not open yet, but hopefully it will be open. We'll
start to see oil flow. That's had a pretty immediate
impact on all prices. All prices come down. That's a
pretty major input cost consumers for businesses out there. So
it's good news. But a lot of caveats, Jamie, in
regard to whether this thing actually holds together.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Yes, well I'm not holding the breath on that one either,
But yeah, oil price. I looked at Brent crude this morning.
It was sitting at about eighty bucks a barrel. US
peaked at over one hundred and twenty when all this
kicked off. So a falling oil price surely is going
to have a positive effect on inflation. Although we haven't
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seen the peak of inflation yet in this country.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
No, we've seen the initial first round effect in regard
to by petrol prices, diesel prices, obviously starting to see
the second round effects by a transport cost because that
gets into food inflation.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Fertilizer costs to creep into food inflation. So you're hopefully
those are one offs and what goes up is going
to come back down. We'll see a pretty big rise
obviously in the gym court a CPI number which will
be out in a month or so, and hopefully that
reverses somewhat in the September, and we don't have too
much of it the system what's called sticky inflation problem.
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But most central banks around the globe, including the Reserve
bank are pretty alert to what's called sticky inflation. You know,
that's a third round effect where we just start to
see a little bit more of a flowing into the
broader economy. We hope that doesn't take place, but central
banks are certainly going to be pretty watchful over they're
coming for a few months. But if a very central
bank today, you'd be smiling, you'd be a lot more
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comfortable where you were sort of two to three months ago,
or two months ago or a month ago, looking at
oil prices up around having twenty bucks a barrel, your
all prices eighty bucks a bearl It helps with the
disinflation process.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
At next O see, our announcement is due on July
the eighth. Everyone was picking we were going to get
twenty five basis point lift. Would this be enough to
halt that?
Speaker 3 (06:00):
I think they'll still follow through. Yeah, stepping back from
what's going on with or moves and hopefully you know
a deal has been done and we can sort of
motoring parlance, this economy should get now back on State
Highway one after being knocked off on to a bit
of a goat track for the past for two months.
But prior to for moves. It's been very clear and
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the economic data that the New Zealand economy has been
on the improving side of the ligion, and of course
that's been led by the rural regions, led.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Particularly by the South.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Auckland and Wellington are still languishing out there, so we're
seeing a little bit more. We're seeing a very fromble
quality of recovery.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
Where it's earnings back.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
It's not led by the born spin housing market, which
is what we've sort of seen historically. I still think
the OHA around two point two five percent as a
bit low from where it should be. Do I think
the OHA needs to go ramping back up aggressively? No,
Now there is zero event has probably over eased a
little bit by about fifty days points in two thousand
and eight twenty five. You take that back up, it's
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sort of coming. Few months you.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Talked about central banks around the world. The biggest of
the whole lot is the US Federal Reserve. Obviously what
they do with exchange rates will affect especially our currency.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
Yeah it does.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Yeah, cuncy is are two sided point. So we can
look at the New Zealand side of the equation growth,
what the Reserve Bank is going to be doing commodity prices,
et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
But the big.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Boy in town here literally is the US Federal Reserve.
And what we've seen in the United States is it
headline inflation has been moving up, but what's called core inflation,
which strips out food and energy, it has been tracking
around three percent. In the last couple of months, we've
seen core inflation in the United States, they started to
tack up, and that's seen the market in the United
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States still a bit of a flip flopper.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
YouTube.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Two to three months ago, the US financial markets were
saying the US Federal Reserve could be cutting rates by
the end of twenty twenty six. Well, the market is
now expecting the US Federal Reserve to be lifting industrates
before the end of twenty twenty six once, potentially twice.
You're what does it meant to the New Zealand dollar
and New Zealand dollars had a couple of cracks at
You're trying to sort of break sixty cents and we
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just can't sort of break sixty cents. And one of
the reasons we haven't been able to break sixty cents
because of those growing expectations. The US field Reserve is
going to be lifting infistrates and of course impetrate differentials
are pretty big of currencies.
Speaker 6 (08:21):
Around the world.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Well, I think we can live as an exporting nation
with a dollar under sixty US since Cam Bagrey, thanks
for some of your time. Really appreciate it.
Speaker 7 (08:29):
What the best, Jimmy, Thanks Cam.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
It is fourteen after twelve. You're with the country already.
Some feedback coming in Ajamie. Can you ask the labor
rights that's namely Damian O'Connor is coming up next. How
many filthy dirty farms did they clean up during their
last term? Not quite sure how to take that one.
If you've got a question for Damian O'Connor, um text
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it through on five double O nine and I'll read
it out to you. I'm going to ask them for
some eggpipe. But to be fair to Damien, he is
an expert in the field when it comes to international trade,
spent a sizable term as Labour's trade minister. We'll ask
him what he thinks of the Trump Peace Deal and
what it might mean for New Zealand. Before the end
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of the hour, Mark Warren Hawks Bay Sheep and beef
Farmer and Angus Ball one hundred and sixty eight thousand
dollars ed. Labor is the second of our seven Young
Farmer finalists or Grand finalists. So we're going to go
ahead to the USA Lexington, Kentucky, thoroughbred racing capital of
the world. Our guy over there is Todd Clark. Damian
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O'Connor is Labour's trade spoke person. I missed them atfield days, Damien.
You didn't even bother visiting me at the farmland site.
I was looking forward to a fight or an argument.
Speaker 8 (10:08):
With you, Cure Jamie. I actually I did send you
a text saying I was happy to come on. You
didn't tell me where you were or send an invitation.
So I didn't want to impose on you because I knew.
I thought you'd just want of people who were nodding
their heads and be nice to you. You didn't want
a decent argument.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Well, I had Chippy on. That was probably enough Labor
for me. Look to be honest, i'd like to have
Joe Luxton on. But you've got no egg policy. You've
banged on the hang on, hang on, Damien, You've banged
on no, no, no, hang on. I was turning your
fader down. You can't come over the top of me.
You've banged on about releasing some policy after the budget.
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Where is it.
Speaker 6 (10:45):
Yeah, we had a public transport is.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
It's gonnag eg policy.
Speaker 6 (10:51):
Egg policy, Jamie.
Speaker 8 (10:52):
We're just following the National Party always said is they're
not going to do anything and they'll take everything away,
which was their policy leading up to the Lab selection.
We'll just we will be releasing some egg policy. Will
be carefully considering it. I was down today just listening
to some of the parts of the Collective Catchment Collective
Forum that's in Parliament here. Most of the money that
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they have been relying on train from the actually last
labor government has been a little bit drilled out to
them from this current government. But actually wondering where to
go next. And it is a great initiative. I think
we set up two hundred of the catchment groups good
way forward.
Speaker 6 (11:30):
But now they don't have money.
Speaker 8 (11:32):
But to be fair, you know, the government's been splashing
around a bit of money to darien Z, to PAMU,
to you know, to help with with the Holter and
other places.
Speaker 6 (11:42):
Zesprey. Actually, I would have thought that they all had
quite a.
Speaker 8 (11:46):
Bit of money at the moment, and the money would
have been better spent back towards the catchment groups helping
them go forward.
Speaker 6 (11:52):
But anyway, that's the coalition and government for you.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
So do you disagree with the government doubling the funding
of the Kiwi two National Trust.
Speaker 6 (12:00):
No, I don't know.
Speaker 8 (12:01):
I think that's good money, that's great, but it's a
bit confusing when on one hand they seem to be
going in reverse when it comes to environmental policies and then.
Speaker 6 (12:12):
Stepping up there.
Speaker 8 (12:13):
I think it's great if that happens, and I think
they need to send a clearer message to other farmers
that actually, we do need to ensure that night levels
don't continue to rise in Canterery, in South and other
parts of the country. We do need to protect biodiversity
on farms, and we do need to sell our story
across the globe and ensure that what we say on
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the label is what we do on the farm.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Damon, you're talking about the government coming in and taking
things away. To me, that's a euphanism for getting rid
of the roadblocks that you and David Park are bought
in place.
Speaker 8 (12:46):
Actually, we were trying to send some clear guidelines and
some bottom lines around water quality.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Way on, David Parker was going to get rid of
twenty percent. David Parker was going to David Parker was
going to get rid of twenty percent of the sheep
and beef farms in this country.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
Bullshit, Jamie.
Speaker 8 (13:04):
That is not correct at all, and that's what national
have been saying, and you repeat it quite incorrectly. It
was going to affect the profitability of twenty percent of
the farmers. But that was before any alternative land use
or changes of the systems were considered. Look, we accepted
that some of the details around some of the you know,
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grazing stuff, we got wrong. We adjusted that that Actually
the messages that the market is still sending back to
us in this country means that we do have to
get on and address some of those issues.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Let's play nicely for a moment here, Damien, you are
Labour's trades No, No, you are Labour's trades spokesperson. I
give credit where credits, Jill. I think you've done a
good job, or you've got a good background and trade.
This conflict in the Middle East, if peace permanently breaks out,
that's a real upside. I would think for world trade
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in the world economy.
Speaker 8 (14:00):
Is and it's been really really challenging for the whole
globe and will and planet and trade and every industry
in it. You know, fuels at the still at the
heart of what we do economically. It won't stabilize overnight.
I think everyone will be wary of the interventions like these.
These are ad hoc interventions. You know, the US would
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always accuse other people of doing it. It's been prepared
to do things which we would have considered absolutely outrageous
and crazy. Bombing out of countries is not the smart
way forward, and hopefully peace will enable.
Speaker 6 (14:35):
A bit of a reset, but it won't be back
to where it was.
Speaker 8 (14:40):
Organizations like the Real Trade Organization will continue to struggle
for relevance. We will always support them. It's the only
way forward. But as long as big countries set back
from it, and the US being right at the forefront
of that, then makes international trade and the rules of
trade very very challenging.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
All my sons that I follow you on Facebook, and
I don't follow many people on Facebook. I'm not really
into social media. How do you get away posting some
of the stuff you do about Israel and Gaza.
Speaker 6 (15:09):
But it's the truth. It's outrageous what is going on there.
Speaker 8 (15:12):
And if anyone looks at at what Israel has been
doing both Levanon and Gaza, it is in humane.
Speaker 6 (15:19):
And we've thrown our arms up in horror.
Speaker 8 (15:22):
In the past when we've observed those things happening in
other countries on our doorstep in front of us, almost
in real time, and people have spent on their hands.
We will look back at this period of history and say,
how do we allow this to happen? Indeed, it's the
unstitching of civilization in the international rules of justice.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Can you post like that if you become a minister
of the.
Speaker 8 (15:47):
Crown, I'm reposting what other people are putting up there
and this is not there. This is against the Ideaf
and Metanyahu and what he is doing, of course has
the right to exist in Jewish people that are amazing.
I've met no many of them good friends, but they
have been discredited by a meglomaniac who's running a country
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that's out of control.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Why are Labour's two main election policy platforms that you've
come out with, Because you've come out with bugger all.
Let's be honest about it. Your capital gains tax policy
and last week your public transport policy. Why Damien O'Connor,
are they so poorly targeted?
Speaker 9 (16:26):
Well?
Speaker 2 (16:26):
You and I don't need three free doctors visits a year.
And why are we subsidizing wealthy Wellington bureaucrats to take
the train to work? What's in this for rural New
Zealand for the productive sector?
Speaker 8 (16:40):
I guess on balance, wherever you roll out policy insight
this and you have thresholds, then there are people on
either side of the thresholder who should or shouldn't get it.
You end up with a bureaucracy, people criticized the cost
of it, and in the end universal support for things
like public transport where you get less congestion on the
roads it'll be a result of it, less emissions that
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will be a result of it, and more people getting
to work for less money.
Speaker 6 (17:06):
That is a very good outcome. And yes, there might
be people who can afford to.
Speaker 8 (17:09):
Pay more, if they indeed want to pay more.
Speaker 6 (17:13):
I'm sure they can denote that, yes.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
But they don't.
Speaker 10 (17:16):
Look.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
You have an IRD, you have a community services card.
You literally or the Inland Revenue Department literally knows how
much everyone's earning are same with super inuitance. They're obviously
taxed at the highest marginal tax rate. Why don't you
just target these It is such a brain dead policy.
Speaker 8 (17:33):
There are many families out there, they won't have a
community services card. They're finding the cost of the huge,
they're trying to cut down their costs and using public transport.
Capping that per week is a very very good move
for those families, and so it does cover it pubs
all keys in that category in the cities and in
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regional New Zealand, it's capped at ten dollars. That's a
great deal for many people.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Well, there's no public transport in regional New Zealand, for
God's sake. Just just just to finish on the labor
list came out. You're at sixteen, Joe Luxton's at seventeen.
Is that paying lip service to agriculture and trade?
Speaker 8 (18:15):
No, it doesn't matter where we'd be, you'll be criticizing us.
So it's a process. I'm grateful for where I am.
I'm sure Joe is as well. We'll get on and
do out that for agriculture for regional New Zealand, so
will all the people on the list.
Speaker 6 (18:30):
For New Zealanders.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
But isn't that a reflection. Isn't that symptomatic of where
labour sees agriculture. Todd McLay, for instance, is on the
front bench for National.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
Can I say that, actually, you know, we have a
different approach.
Speaker 8 (18:45):
We are saying that all New Zealanders are our focus
as a government, not just one particular sector. And while
agriculture is very important, so to all the other sectors, transport, health, education.
Those are the sectors that make up society and we
have to support all society to have a decent country
to live in.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Damien O'Connor always could to have a yarn slash argument
on the country.
Speaker 7 (19:08):
Appreciate your time, feace, Jamie Kurra. There we go.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Damien O'Connor will come back to some of your feedback
and just a tick up next. Mark Warren and hawkspay, hawkspay,
sheep and beef, farmer, farm forester as well black gold
that's the angus balls one sold yesterday for one hundred
and sixty eight grand. And the black hats and the
all blacks that's up next. He is a hawks by
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sheep and beef, farmer and forester. He wears many hats
including black ones. I'm going to come back to black
hats Mark Warren, but firstly I want to talk about
black gold, namely Angus Bulls. That you catch up with
yesterday's action.
Speaker 10 (19:58):
Oh absolutely, w want to stand out great great confidence
the beef industry. I mean, good on Dean McCarty and
the team at Tangy. How they sold the top one
last year and now they've up the market. I think
the agent said, I've just I've just taken your record
off your Dean by taking the last bird. What you
know that to Marty Tomato or whatever pronounce it, I
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always look over the fence when I go down through
Marlboro and ad wired their cattle of hard country. But
what a great standout. And of course you know these
beef prices and land prices have been pushed up by
fat Americans who got fatter.
Speaker 7 (20:33):
Because now that I'll eat a lean meat to get
lean again.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
I know there's a delicious irony in that one, isn't it?
Are you Tomity or to Marty? I hope I got
it right. Angus they're based in Marlborough. They sold the
ball for the black Angles ball, just stucking the numbers
out there for one hundred and sixty eight grand tonguey
how angus who set the record last year at one
hundred and sixty one thousand dollars, and that beat the
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twenty twenty four record of one hundred and thirty five
five thousand dollars. That just seems Mark Warren to be
an insatiable demand for beef and lamb for that matter.
Speaker 10 (21:09):
Oh, look, it's great, but if you go back, just
look at it, it really only costs in the tenure
how team seven grands changed, didn't it, So you've got
to look at it in that way away.
Speaker 7 (21:17):
But that's been bit facetious.
Speaker 10 (21:18):
But no, what a great, great, great commentary. But the
other thing is we can say all we like about
Dean bidding that up, but they still had to be
an underbutter. And I've always worked on the theory that
no matter what the market is, really what the underbitter
was prepared to pay, not the top bitter.
Speaker 7 (21:34):
So yeah, what a great commentary.
Speaker 6 (21:35):
In the industry.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Lamb are twelve dollars a kilogram you can get with
water contracts. That's great money. Look, it's not that long
ago we were struggling.
Speaker 7 (21:44):
To get six yep, yep, yep. No, Well the fifteen
hundred dollars lambs got there. They were laughing at me,
went no, I thought that.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
I think they're still laughing at your mark, and you're
fifteen hundred dollars lamb. But it's a nice thought. It's
good to be aspirational.
Speaker 10 (21:58):
Look if we make fourteen fifty while, I'll go heat
all right, okay, but look at the trend line.
Speaker 7 (22:05):
Look at the trend line and try on a grass.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
See there'd be a lot of happy sheep farmers around
if they got fifteen hundred dollars a land. Mind you,
wool's even worth something now at six or seven bucks
a kilo. Look I'm talking about well, I want to
segue from black gold eye the Angus balls to black hats.
You and Tim Dean from norsewere and a few other
influential people, namely Bridget Kirk, who's the other half of
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the enns At President David Kirk, have been encouraging the
All Blacks to wear woolen beanies rather than acrylic ones
or synthetic ones.
Speaker 10 (22:41):
Well, well, all Blacks totally can pick it up. Of course,
they're a bit tied with everybody, you know. Professional contracts
but we are aiming not at fifteen or safe. These
All Blacks with a few a few spare ones and
a few of users. We want the forty and fifty
thousand people going to the cake tun or to a
test match to be wearing Wall Blacks gear to keep.
Speaker 7 (23:03):
Warm in a cold night.
Speaker 10 (23:05):
But even more than that, someone's got this great idea
and he's released it is that we've got the Sideline
Supporters Club and that's all for the mums and dads
who are out at eight o'clock on a Frisday morning
supporting school sport to be nice and warm. And I
mean the idea is it's the brand that you know,
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you wear it for National for natural warmth.
Speaker 7 (23:28):
You know it's warm to be warm.
Speaker 10 (23:31):
So yeah, look, you know we're just trying to put
Wall back on the number one slot again. The idea
of All Black is that black is the adopted color
of every pop team in.
Speaker 7 (23:41):
New Zealand and so we're putting Wall back at the top.
Speaker 10 (23:46):
And we lost it a little bit with the you know,
losing the Wall mark many years ago, but we would
like to think this is going to take place, particularly
for New Zealand. Wall It's pretty brand descriptive or on
brand and it tells the story in itself.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Okay, Mark getting on with the New Zealand Rugby because
they're notoriously anal if I can use that word, and
protective over their branding and all that sort of stuff.
So how are they taking this? Are they saying this
as a threat? Have you got their permission to sell
your black wall beanies?
Speaker 7 (24:17):
Well, it's a little bit like this.
Speaker 10 (24:19):
You're at the bottom of the ruck and they go, oh,
I want that ball, Please give me the ball. Nah soft,
We've got it and they had their chance legally. And
I won't say anymore because we're not going to rub
the nose in the butt, or would we will at
some stage. No, No, We're just going to run around
the side of the scrumb where they're procrastinating and get
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a try on this and get a conversion of everyononder wall.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Will it be contentious? Will it be a contentious issue
in the kirk household bridget versus David? Has he got
a real conflict of interest there?
Speaker 5 (24:52):
Well?
Speaker 10 (24:52):
She told me yesterday that she was banned from going
to rugby and then she and then David said no,
you're unbanned and she will rebare myself from going to
just Mets again. Wat's the space from BK. That's all
I can say that. That's phase two of a great
a great push for Wall and BK is a great
team member for Wall Black.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
So I won't.
Speaker 7 (25:12):
I'll let her take the ball and run with it.
I'll tell you what I think you might. She might
score one ride.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
All right, enough of the enough of the rugby cliche.
So Tim Day and the guy behind Norsewar a great
story in itself is manufacturing these. But they are a
fundraiser for community sport.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (25:28):
I think ten percent of each of sale goes to
the Sideline Sports Club which is supporting school sport. And
that's you know, that's where great sports starts is with
kids or the young children, you know. And you know,
whether it's rugby, cricket, Black Caps, wheel Blacks, the Black Ferns, whoever,
it is, It all stumps at school.
Speaker 7 (25:50):
Level, doesn't it. And that's where you start. That's like education.
This is like education and sport.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Well, chatting to you today, Mark Warren has been an
education as always, and we didn't even have time to
get onto your favorite subject or subjects, carbon farming and oil.
I'll come back to those because amount of time. Hey,
thanks for your time today.
Speaker 10 (26:11):
One line to remember, it's black to the future of
Black is the name for all top sports things. So
Wall was back from the top version and we're sending
cheeks black again with Wall.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Good on you, Mark, you're a passionate man. The fifteen
hundred dollars lamb Now it's well some of your texts
on daily Man, this one's probably a well typical as usual.
That man is delusional, believing in his own BS, so
writes a very high profile New Zealander. Up next to
another high profile New Zealander, Michelle Watt with Royal News
will have sports news ahead of the one pm kickoff
(26:44):
in Los Angeles for the all Whites up against Iran.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Rural News with cub Cadet. It's one thing to talk
in a vas another to back it up drive it.
We dare you visit steel for dot Coto NZ for
your local store.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Guest Gee that line and Nearie catches me out every time. Michelle,
what good afternoon? What you got on Rural News Afternoon?
Speaker 11 (27:17):
Everybody. Bay of Plenty was the country's best performing region
at the start the year, ending Canterbury's run at the top.
Asb's regional economic scoreboard for the three months ending March
had Bay of Plenty first, followed by Canterbury and Otago.
The scoreboard ranked sixteen regions across various indicators including employment, construction,
house prices, retail trade and consumer confidence. ASB says that
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Bay of Plenty was supported by strong jobs growth and
solid gains across construction demand, retail spending and the housing market.
And also a big part of that is the primary
sector and exports in that region.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Obviously too with Key we through absolutely driving the economy
with the sheep and beef farmers and the dairy farmers.
Mind you, Wellinkon's going to get a pick up an
economic activity when day men gets all the those overpaid
Wellington bureaucrats, those of them that survived the ax I
shouldn't be so cruel and cynical, but they're going to
save a lot of money. Twenty bucks a week's a
lot easier than one hundred and ten or whatever they
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spend on rail and bus and boats and whatever in
the cities. There's so much feedback coming in about exactly
what I'm saying. With their public transport policy. What isn't
it for the productive sector? His sport.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Sports on the Country with AFCO business well done.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Okay, the All Whites have been forced to make a
World Cup squad change ahead of facing Iran this afternoon.
Midfielder Matt Garbet's tournament is over with a hamstring injury.
He's been replaced by Auckland FC's Logan Rogerson. And in rugby,
Hurricane's boss Tony philp Is keen to push the limits
for Saturday Super Rugby Final against the Chiefs. How good
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is that game going to be? Tickets to the decider
and Wellington have sold out in fifteen minutes, so there
Ego and Phelps says they're looking into temporary seating. What
a game that'll be up next? It is Ed Lavor
Young Farmer of the Year Grand finalist.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
FMG Young Farmer of the Year twenty twenty six. FMG
proud principal sponsor since twenty fifteen.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Well yesterday on the Country we started profiling the seven
grand finalists for the FMG Young Farmer of the Year title.
It was David Reesby for Taranaki manua Iu. Today we're
heading to the other side of the Island. The East
Coast finalist or representative is ed Lavor, deer sheep and
beef farmer at a place called Webber, which is sort
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of east of danny Verk southern Hawks Bay. There ed
great to have you on the country. You're no stranger
to big competition. You've been in the high performance rowing scene,
You've taken part in the Coast to Coast Longest Day
and God's Own. How do you find time to go
farming with all that and your diary?
Speaker 9 (30:02):
Yeah, it's a pretty busy, pretty busy schedule, but yeah,
the farming comes first and a lot of time for
the training happens with the headlight on, sort of before
and after work.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
So what is your family background? Are you on a
family farm at the moment?
Speaker 9 (30:19):
Yep, So me and my partner have been back on
a family farm for two years now. Grew up it
was all their farm and then since then there's sort
of acquired more land and divestied into sheep and beef
as well.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
You went to Smedley Station and then you went on
to Lincoln University. That's if you don't mind me saying
so a slightly unusual career path. A lot of young
guys and girls might go to Smedley and then go
mustering and straight to the coal face. Why did you
go to Lincoln after that?
Speaker 6 (30:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (30:48):
I suppose I left school wanting to go farming and
Smedley was the best option there. So that was pretty
cool man to get through through Smedley and then was
lucky enough to get a sports goal to go to Lincoln.
So yeah, check the three degree onto the end of
my education.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
What was your sports scholarship on Lincoln and rowing?
Speaker 7 (31:10):
You're still on the rowing No, no, so it's pretty
hard to row.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
In the middle of nowhere. Yeah, fair enough, I get that.
But are you still competing competitively, like in coast to
coast god zone?
Speaker 9 (31:25):
And yes, so I did coast to coast in theory
this year Longest Day. I've done a couple of god
zones in the last couple of years, and ye've done
three coast to coasts.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Now.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
I ran into Richie at the airport and at the
big debate at field Days. He looks as fit as
a fiddle. Have you run Have you come across some
in your guard zones? Richie McCaul we're talking about of course?
Speaker 9 (31:46):
Yeah, yeah, when you turn those kind of circles. You
sort of bump heads for those guys, and a few
occasions we've been in the middle of the night trudging
up a river together and having a cookyarn. So now
it's pretty cool to bump shoulders and thought with those
high profile athletes.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Ed labor with us. He is the East Coast regional
finalists for the Young Farmer Grand Final coming up in
our New Plymouth July, second to fourth. Ed, you're a
first time finalist at twenty nine. Have you left your
run too late?
Speaker 7 (32:19):
I will have to find out, Jamie.
Speaker 9 (32:21):
You could say I've had more years to get some
experience under my bout.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Well, the irony is I think you still even if
you were to miss out this year, Ed, And I'm
not suggesting your will. You're obviously a pretty determined into
character and a very competitive man. But you can get
another shot next year if you want.
Speaker 9 (32:38):
Yeah, I just learned that recently. Actually, I thought this
was my last run, my last crack, and part of
the reason was for signing up was there. I thought,
if I'm going to do it, I've only got one chance,
so I better get onto it. But yeah, as I've went,
I think I have another Creek next year.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Well, well, good on you. Hey, Just to finish on,
I asked David Riesby this question, so it's only fair
that I ask you of that strengths and weaknesses. You
are obviously strong on the pastoral side of things, sheep,
beef and deer. Do you know how to milk a cow?
Can you pick a kiwi fruit?
Speaker 7 (33:09):
The milking of the cow?
Speaker 9 (33:10):
Though, we did a little bit when I was at Smedley,
but that's about as far as my cow knowledge extends. Yeah,
practically pretty good with my hands building stuff. Yeah, when
it comes to my knowledge in the agriquiz, that's probably
going to be my downfall. But spending a bit of
time hitting the books in that sense.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Well edl over, I know you're a very busy man.
Knowing you, you're probably heading off to share some sheep
or go on a training run. Hey, good luck. You're
the grand finalist number two that we're profiling over the
next week here on the Country.
Speaker 7 (33:42):
Good luck you. Thanks Jammy.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Here's a US farming correspondent, Todd Clark, based out of
the beautiful Lexington area in Kentucky. It was a big
day yesterday, Todd. In America, Trump's birthday, the UFC on
the White House lawn. More importantly, as I've said earlier,
we broken the peace deal. That was good. How's it
being viewed in America?
Speaker 5 (34:10):
Good day, Jamie. The it depends on your age if
some of the events of yesterday, it depends on your
your age. But if you're young like my my three sons,
they were excited about the UFC fights on the south
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lawn of the of the White House. But my wife
and I weren't impressed by that. But but as far
as the peace deal, everyone is pleased to hopefully we're
all holding our breath to see if this actually holds,
but to see this happen. But today, a day later,
some of the details are coming out, and so there's
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a lot of complaints now about that we we spent
taxpayer money to blow the place up, and now three
hundred billion has been promised to go back and fix
it back. And so that's some of the pushback that's
happening today is is just complaints about why did we
do that in the first place, and now we're having
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to pay to fix the place back up.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Yeah, you kind of get the feeling it was a
war that didn't need to happen.
Speaker 5 (35:19):
Oh absolutely. And there's a Kentucky representative. He just lost
his race for Congress, but he's a Republican and he
said recently that we promised to do all these things
as Republicans, and we've got into the Oval Office.
Speaker 6 (35:38):
Where sent it.
Speaker 5 (35:40):
In the House, we hold both of those and we've
not done any of these things. And one of those
things was no.
Speaker 6 (35:47):
Wars. And here we are.
Speaker 5 (35:50):
And so even in the last couple of days it
came out that we're now lurking around down in somewhere
in South America doing something. So it's the American people
want to just doesn't sound good, but focus on ourselves
that leave all these other people alone.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
I know it's very early days, but have you seen
any relief at a gas station as you guys call it.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
Yes, all do in Kentucky. Several states have already done this,
but the state taxes that were put on gas. Our
governor a few weeks ago paused those taxes to help
with the cost at the pumps. So compared to places
like California, our gas prices have been pretty good to
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begin with. But yes, today gas is three dollars and
forty five cents a gallon US gallon US dollars, So
we're getting better, but we were three dollars are below
before all of this started. Diesel is the worst. We're
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inverted compared to you guys, but diesel has been around
five dollars for quite some time, and so that's for
me as a farmer, that's the part that's the most painful.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Well, we weren't immune from that either. Hey, beef, is
that record highs here? So is lamb. Let's start with beef.
I'm assuming you guys are still getting record prices in
the States.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
We are, Yes, that's just going full boarhead. The retention
of heifer's for the most part is not happening, and
part of it's had to do with there's we went
through some drought in Kentucky a month ago, but there's
more widespread drought out west, and so there's a lot
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of selling off of cattle herds out west, and so
building back the herd is not happening at the moment,
and so the some speculation is these prices could continue,
maybe go higher. I don't see how that's possible as
a consumer, but yes, very strong prices.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Do you know anyone at all who farms sheep in
the States.
Speaker 5 (38:06):
Not Kentucky used to be a huge sheep state, but
because of predators coyotes in particular, we even had a
very small flock up until five years ago and eventually
he ended up selingmon, but just because of the predator issues.
But out west in the US there's some nothing like
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you guys, but there's some decent sized flocks out there,
but predators for the most part prevent us from raising
livestock that small. There's some goats in Kentucky, but even
that is problematic, especially with the coyotes.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Thanks for your toon.
Speaker 5 (38:47):
Appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Thanks Jan good on you to Todd Clark, a US
farm and correspondent. All White's about to open their campaign
at the Football World Cup. One o'clock is kick off there.
We're looking forward to that one on tomorrow show Christopher
Luxe and Jane Smith and the GDT Auction Catch you
then go to the All Whites.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
Good afternoon, New Zealand. Welcome to the Country. I'm Jamie McKay.
The show's brought to you by Suzu, Great Deals on
at the moment and Farmlands Flock of Seagulls eighties one
hit Wonders Iran while we're playing them at one o'clock.
We'll update that one at Sports News or when we
do our Sports News at the bottom of the hour
(00:52):
as the All Whites kick off their World Cup campaign.
Looking forward to that one and of course the Super
Rugby Final this weekend sold out. In fifteen minutes, We're
going to kick off the show with Cameron Bagri and
Dependent Economists, get his thoughts on Trump's peace deal what
it might mean for our economy, Damian O'Connor, Labour's Trades
Spurs Trades spokesperson, mister Mitfield Days of course, former Minister
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of Agriculture, but I'm really keen to get his commentary
on the upside for world trade if a peace or
if peace permanently breaks out and the Middle East. Plus
we'll ask him. I'm getting sick of asking this question
of him and Joe Luxon. Where is Agg's or Labour's
ag policy, em missions policy, Paris agreement policy? Have they
got one? Mark Warren, He'll share you up. Hawks Bay,
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Sheep and beef farmer, black gold and black hats. Believe
it or not, yesterday an angus ball, a black angus ball.
They're all black, aren't They are sold for a record
one hundred and sixty eight thousand dollars as a red
meat goes nuts. We're going to stay with the Hawks
Bay area, Southern Hawk's Bay. I think you'd describe it
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is where we'll find ed Lavor. We continue our series
profiling the seven FMG Young Farmer of the Year grand finalists.
He's the East Coast regional winner, a young man who's
no stranger to big competitions, having competed in the likes
of the Coast to Coast and God Zone and Todd
Clark's our US farming correspondent. He's currently in a Farm
(02:25):
Bureau meeting that is the equivalent of our Federated Farmers.
He's going to step out and talk to us about
Trump and farming and gas prices in the USA. It's
all on the country and it's all brought to you
by Isuzu and Farmlands. Cameron Bagri to kick the show
off as we await at one o'clock kickoff for our
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first World Cup football game. Well, yesterday was a big
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day for Donald Trump. He turned eighty, He had the
UFC on the White House lawn. But more importantly for
the rest of the world, he broke it a peace
deal in the Middle East. What might a lasting deal
mean for us here in New Zealand as farmers and
business people. Let's ask independent economist Cameron Bagriy.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Well, that's good news at face lure, subject to the
cease for holder. The biggest shoe out here is the
nukes or by RAN's nuclear capability or not. You know,
that was what they're after in the first place. They
haven't got it on that subject to another sort of deal.
But yeah, glass full. The moves being opened and it's
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not open yet, but hopefully it will be open. We'll
start to see oil flow. That's had a pretty immediate
impact on all prices. All prices come down. That's a
pretty major input cost consumers for businesses out there. So
it's good news. But a lot of caveats, Jamie, in
regard to whether this thing actually holds together.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Yes, well I'm not holding the breath on that one either,
But yeah, oil price. I looked at Brent crude this morning.
It was sitting at about eighty bucks a barrel. US
peaked at over one hundred and twenty when all this
kicked off. So a falling oil price surely is going
to have a positive effect on inflation. Although we haven't
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seen the peak of inflation yet in this country.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
No, we've seen the initial first round effect in regard
to by petrol prices, diesel prices, obviously starting to see
the second round effects by a transport cost because that
gets into food inflation.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Fertilizer costs to creep into food inflation. So you're hopefully
those are one offs and what goes up is going
to come back down. We'll see a pretty big rise
obviously in the gym court a CPI number which will
be out in a month or so, and hopefully that
reverses somewhat in the September, and we don't have too
much of it the system what's called sticky inflation problem.
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But most central banks around the globe, including the Reserve
bank are pretty alert to what's called sticky inflation. You know,
that's a third round effect where we just start to
see a little bit more of a flowing into the
broader economy. We hope that doesn't take place, but central
banks are certainly going to be pretty watchful over they're
coming for a few months. But if a very central
bank today, you'd be smiling, you'd be a lot more
(05:38):
comfortable where you were sort of two to three months ago,
or two months ago or a month ago, looking at
oil prices up around having twenty bucks a barrel, your
all prices eighty bucks a bearl It helps with the
disinflation process.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
At next O see, our announcement is due on July
the eighth. Everyone was picking we were going to get
twenty five basis point lift. Would this be enough to
halt that?
Speaker 3 (06:00):
I think they'll still follow through. Yeah, stepping back from
what's going on with or moves and hopefully you know
a deal has been done and we can sort of
motoring parlance, this economy should get now back on State
Highway one after being knocked off on to a bit
of a goat track for the past for two months.
But prior to for moves. It's been very clear and
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the economic data that the New Zealand economy has been
on the improving side of the ligion, and of course
that's been led by the rural regions, led.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Particularly by the South.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Auckland and Wellington are still languishing out there, so we're
seeing a little bit more. We're seeing a very fromble
quality of recovery.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
Where it's earnings back.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
It's not led by the born spin housing market, which
is what we've sort of seen historically. I still think
the OHA around two point two five percent as a
bit low from where it should be. Do I think
the OHA needs to go ramping back up aggressively? No,
Now there is zero event has probably over eased a
little bit by about fifty days points in two thousand
and eight twenty five. You take that back up, it's
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sort of coming. Few months you.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Talked about central banks around the world. The biggest of
the whole lot is the US Federal Reserve. Obviously what
they do with exchange rates will affect especially our currency.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
Yeah it does.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Yeah, cuncy is are two sided point. So we can
look at the New Zealand side of the equation growth,
what the Reserve Bank is going to be doing commodity prices,
et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
But the big.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Boy in town here literally is the US Federal Reserve.
And what we've seen in the United States is it
headline inflation has been moving up, but what's called core inflation,
which strips out food and energy, it has been tracking
around three percent. In the last couple of months, we've
seen core inflation in the United States, they started to
tack up, and that's seen the market in the United
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States still a bit of a flip flopper.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
YouTube.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Two to three months ago, the US financial markets were
saying the US Federal Reserve could be cutting rates by
the end of twenty twenty six. Well, the market is
now expecting the US Federal Reserve to be lifting industrates
before the end of twenty twenty six once, potentially twice.
You're what does it meant to the New Zealand dollar
and New Zealand dollars had a couple of cracks at
You're trying to sort of break sixty cents and we
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just can't sort of break sixty cents. And one of
the reasons we haven't been able to break sixty cents
because of those growing expectations. The US field Reserve is
going to be lifting infistrates and of course impetrate differentials
are pretty big of currencies.
Speaker 6 (08:21):
Around the world.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Well, I think we can live as an exporting nation
with a dollar under sixty US since Cam Bagrey, thanks
for some of your time. Really appreciate it.
Speaker 7 (08:29):
What the best, Jimmy, Thanks Cam.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
It is fourteen after twelve. You're with the country already.
Some feedback coming in Ajamie. Can you ask the labor
rights that's namely Damian O'Connor is coming up next. How
many filthy dirty farms did they clean up during their
last term? Not quite sure how to take that one.
If you've got a question for Damian O'Connor, um text
(08:55):
it through on five double O nine and I'll read
it out to you. I'm going to ask them for
some eggpipe. But to be fair to Damien, he is
an expert in the field when it comes to international trade,
spent a sizable term as Labour's trade minister. We'll ask
him what he thinks of the Trump Peace Deal and
what it might mean for New Zealand. Before the end
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of the hour, Mark Warren Hawks Bay Sheep and beef
Farmer and Angus Ball one hundred and sixty eight thousand
dollars ed. Labor is the second of our seven Young
Farmer finalists or Grand finalists. So we're going to go
ahead to the USA Lexington, Kentucky, thoroughbred racing capital of
the world. Our guy over there is Todd Clark. Damian
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O'Connor is Labour's trade spoke person. I missed them atfield days, Damien.
You didn't even bother visiting me at the farmland site.
I was looking forward to a fight or an argument.
Speaker 8 (10:08):
With you, Cure Jamie. I actually I did send you
a text saying I was happy to come on. You
didn't tell me where you were or send an invitation.
So I didn't want to impose on you because I knew.
I thought you'd just want of people who were nodding
their heads and be nice to you. You didn't want
a decent argument.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Well, I had Chippy on. That was probably enough Labor
for me. Look to be honest, i'd like to have
Joe Luxton on. But you've got no egg policy. You've
banged on the hang on, hang on, Damien, You've banged
on no, no, no, hang on. I was turning your
fader down. You can't come over the top of me.
You've banged on about releasing some policy after the budget.
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Where is it.
Speaker 6 (10:45):
Yeah, we had a public transport is.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
It's gonnag eg policy.
Speaker 6 (10:51):
Egg policy, Jamie.
Speaker 8 (10:52):
We're just following the National Party always said is they're
not going to do anything and they'll take everything away,
which was their policy leading up to the Lab selection.
We'll just we will be releasing some egg policy. Will
be carefully considering it. I was down today just listening
to some of the parts of the Collective Catchment Collective
Forum that's in Parliament here. Most of the money that
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they have been relying on train from the actually last
labor government has been a little bit drilled out to
them from this current government. But actually wondering where to
go next. And it is a great initiative. I think
we set up two hundred of the catchment groups good
way forward.
Speaker 6 (11:30):
But now they don't have money.
Speaker 8 (11:32):
But to be fair, you know, the government's been splashing
around a bit of money to darien Z, to PAMU,
to you know, to help with with the Holter and
other places.
Speaker 6 (11:42):
Zesprey. Actually, I would have thought that they all had
quite a.
Speaker 8 (11:46):
Bit of money at the moment, and the money would
have been better spent back towards the catchment groups helping
them go forward.
Speaker 6 (11:52):
But anyway, that's the coalition and government for you.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
So do you disagree with the government doubling the funding
of the Kiwi two National Trust.
Speaker 6 (12:00):
No, I don't know.
Speaker 8 (12:01):
I think that's good money, that's great, but it's a
bit confusing when on one hand they seem to be
going in reverse when it comes to environmental policies and then.
Speaker 6 (12:12):
Stepping up there.
Speaker 8 (12:13):
I think it's great if that happens, and I think
they need to send a clearer message to other farmers
that actually, we do need to ensure that night levels
don't continue to rise in Canterery, in South and other
parts of the country. We do need to protect biodiversity
on farms, and we do need to sell our story
across the globe and ensure that what we say on
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the label is what we do on the farm.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Damon, you're talking about the government coming in and taking
things away. To me, that's a euphanism for getting rid
of the roadblocks that you and David Park are bought
in place.
Speaker 8 (12:46):
Actually, we were trying to send some clear guidelines and
some bottom lines around water quality.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Way on, David Parker was going to get rid of
twenty percent. David Parker was going to David Parker was
going to get rid of twenty percent of the sheep
and beef farms in this country.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
Bullshit, Jamie.
Speaker 8 (13:04):
That is not correct at all, and that's what national
have been saying, and you repeat it quite incorrectly. It
was going to affect the profitability of twenty percent of
the farmers. But that was before any alternative land use
or changes of the systems were considered. Look, we accepted
that some of the details around some of the you know,
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grazing stuff, we got wrong. We adjusted that that Actually
the messages that the market is still sending back to
us in this country means that we do have to
get on and address some of those issues.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Let's play nicely for a moment here, Damien, you are
Labour's trades No, No, you are Labour's trades spokesperson. I
give credit where credits, Jill. I think you've done a
good job, or you've got a good background and trade.
This conflict in the Middle East, if peace permanently breaks out,
that's a real upside. I would think for world trade
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in the world economy.
Speaker 8 (14:00):
Is and it's been really really challenging for the whole
globe and will and planet and trade and every industry
in it. You know, fuels at the still at the
heart of what we do economically. It won't stabilize overnight.
I think everyone will be wary of the interventions like these.
These are ad hoc interventions. You know, the US would
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always accuse other people of doing it. It's been prepared
to do things which we would have considered absolutely outrageous
and crazy. Bombing out of countries is not the smart
way forward, and hopefully peace will enable.
Speaker 6 (14:35):
A bit of a reset, but it won't be back
to where it was.
Speaker 8 (14:40):
Organizations like the Real Trade Organization will continue to struggle
for relevance. We will always support them. It's the only
way forward. But as long as big countries set back
from it, and the US being right at the forefront
of that, then makes international trade and the rules of
trade very very challenging.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
All my sons that I follow you on Facebook, and
I don't follow many people on Facebook. I'm not really
into social media. How do you get away posting some
of the stuff you do about Israel and Gaza.
Speaker 6 (15:09):
But it's the truth. It's outrageous what is going on there.
Speaker 8 (15:12):
And if anyone looks at at what Israel has been
doing both Levanon and Gaza, it is in humane.
Speaker 6 (15:19):
And we've thrown our arms up in horror.
Speaker 8 (15:22):
In the past when we've observed those things happening in
other countries on our doorstep in front of us, almost
in real time, and people have spent on their hands.
We will look back at this period of history and say,
how do we allow this to happen? Indeed, it's the
unstitching of civilization in the international rules of justice.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Can you post like that if you become a minister
of the.
Speaker 8 (15:47):
Crown, I'm reposting what other people are putting up there
and this is not there. This is against the Ideaf
and Metanyahu and what he is doing, of course has
the right to exist in Jewish people that are amazing.
I've met no many of them good friends, but they
have been discredited by a meglomaniac who's running a country
(16:09):
that's out of control.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Why are Labour's two main election policy platforms that you've
come out with, Because you've come out with bugger all.
Let's be honest about it. Your capital gains tax policy
and last week your public transport policy. Why Damien O'Connor,
are they so poorly targeted?
Speaker 9 (16:26):
Well?
Speaker 2 (16:26):
You and I don't need three free doctors visits a year.
And why are we subsidizing wealthy Wellington bureaucrats to take
the train to work? What's in this for rural New
Zealand for the productive sector?
Speaker 8 (16:40):
I guess on balance, wherever you roll out policy insight
this and you have thresholds, then there are people on
either side of the thresholder who should or shouldn't get it.
You end up with a bureaucracy, people criticized the cost
of it, and in the end universal support for things
like public transport where you get less congestion on the
roads it'll be a result of it, less emissions that
(17:01):
will be a result of it, and more people getting
to work for less money.
Speaker 6 (17:06):
That is a very good outcome. And yes, there might
be people who can afford to.
Speaker 8 (17:09):
Pay more, if they indeed want to pay more.
Speaker 6 (17:13):
I'm sure they can denote that, yes.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
But they don't.
Speaker 10 (17:16):
Look.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
You have an IRD, you have a community services card.
You literally or the Inland Revenue Department literally knows how
much everyone's earning are same with super inuitance. They're obviously
taxed at the highest marginal tax rate. Why don't you
just target these It is such a brain dead policy.
Speaker 8 (17:33):
There are many families out there, they won't have a
community services card. They're finding the cost of the huge,
they're trying to cut down their costs and using public transport.
Capping that per week is a very very good move
for those families, and so it does cover it pubs
all keys in that category in the cities and in
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regional New Zealand, it's capped at ten dollars. That's a
great deal for many people.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Well, there's no public transport in regional New Zealand, for
God's sake. Just just just to finish on the labor
list came out. You're at sixteen, Joe Luxton's at seventeen.
Is that paying lip service to agriculture and trade?
Speaker 8 (18:15):
No, it doesn't matter where we'd be, you'll be criticizing us.
So it's a process. I'm grateful for where I am.
I'm sure Joe is as well. We'll get on and
do out that for agriculture for regional New Zealand, so
will all the people on the list.
Speaker 6 (18:30):
For New Zealanders.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
But isn't that a reflection. Isn't that symptomatic of where
labour sees agriculture. Todd McLay, for instance, is on the
front bench for National.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
Can I say that, actually, you know, we have a
different approach.
Speaker 8 (18:45):
We are saying that all New Zealanders are our focus
as a government, not just one particular sector. And while
agriculture is very important, so to all the other sectors, transport, health, education.
Those are the sectors that make up society and we
have to support all society to have a decent country
to live in.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Damien O'Connor always could to have a yarn slash argument
on the country.
Speaker 7 (19:08):
Appreciate your time, feace, Jamie Kurra. There we go.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Damien O'Connor will come back to some of your feedback
and just a tick up next. Mark Warren and hawkspay, hawkspay,
sheep and beef, farmer, farm forester as well black gold
that's the angus balls one sold yesterday for one hundred
and sixty eight grand. And the black hats and the
all blacks that's up next. He is a hawks by
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sheep and beef, farmer and forester. He wears many hats
including black ones. I'm going to come back to black
hats Mark Warren, but firstly I want to talk about
black gold, namely Angus Bulls. That you catch up with
yesterday's action.
Speaker 10 (19:58):
Oh absolutely, w want to stand out great great confidence
the beef industry. I mean, good on Dean McCarty and
the team at Tangy. How they sold the top one
last year and now they've up the market. I think
the agent said, I've just I've just taken your record
off your Dean by taking the last bird. What you
know that to Marty Tomato or whatever pronounce it, I
(20:19):
always look over the fence when I go down through
Marlboro and ad wired their cattle of hard country. But
what a great standout. And of course you know these
beef prices and land prices have been pushed up by
fat Americans who got fatter.
Speaker 7 (20:33):
Because now that I'll eat a lean meat to get
lean again.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
I know there's a delicious irony in that one, isn't it?
Are you Tomity or to Marty? I hope I got
it right. Angus they're based in Marlborough. They sold the
ball for the black Angles ball, just stucking the numbers
out there for one hundred and sixty eight grand tonguey
how angus who set the record last year at one
hundred and sixty one thousand dollars, and that beat the
(20:56):
twenty twenty four record of one hundred and thirty five
five thousand dollars. That just seems Mark Warren to be
an insatiable demand for beef and lamb for that matter.
Speaker 10 (21:09):
Oh, look, it's great, but if you go back, just
look at it, it really only costs in the tenure
how team seven grands changed, didn't it, So you've got
to look at it in that way away.
Speaker 7 (21:17):
But that's been bit facetious.
Speaker 10 (21:18):
But no, what a great, great, great commentary. But the
other thing is we can say all we like about
Dean bidding that up, but they still had to be
an underbutter. And I've always worked on the theory that
no matter what the market is, really what the underbitter
was prepared to pay, not the top bitter.
Speaker 7 (21:34):
So yeah, what a great commentary.
Speaker 6 (21:35):
In the industry.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Lamb are twelve dollars a kilogram you can get with
water contracts. That's great money. Look, it's not that long
ago we were struggling.
Speaker 7 (21:44):
To get six yep, yep, yep. No, Well the fifteen
hundred dollars lambs got there. They were laughing at me,
went no, I thought that.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
I think they're still laughing at your mark, and you're
fifteen hundred dollars lamb. But it's a nice thought. It's
good to be aspirational.
Speaker 10 (21:58):
Look if we make fourteen fifty while, I'll go heat
all right, okay, but look at the trend line.
Speaker 7 (22:05):
Look at the trend line and try on a grass.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
See there'd be a lot of happy sheep farmers around
if they got fifteen hundred dollars a land. Mind you,
wool's even worth something now at six or seven bucks
a kilo. Look I'm talking about well, I want to
segue from black gold eye the Angus balls to black hats.
You and Tim Dean from norsewere and a few other
influential people, namely Bridget Kirk, who's the other half of
(22:29):
the enns At President David Kirk, have been encouraging the
All Blacks to wear woolen beanies rather than acrylic ones
or synthetic ones.
Speaker 10 (22:41):
Well, well, all Blacks totally can pick it up. Of course,
they're a bit tied with everybody, you know. Professional contracts
but we are aiming not at fifteen or safe. These
All Blacks with a few a few spare ones and
a few of users. We want the forty and fifty
thousand people going to the cake tun or to a
test match to be wearing Wall Blacks gear to keep.
Speaker 7 (23:03):
Warm in a cold night.
Speaker 10 (23:05):
But even more than that, someone's got this great idea
and he's released it is that we've got the Sideline
Supporters Club and that's all for the mums and dads
who are out at eight o'clock on a Frisday morning
supporting school sport to be nice and warm. And I
mean the idea is it's the brand that you know,
(23:25):
you wear it for National for natural warmth.
Speaker 7 (23:28):
You know it's warm to be warm.
Speaker 10 (23:31):
So yeah, look, you know we're just trying to put
Wall back on the number one slot again. The idea
of All Black is that black is the adopted color
of every pop team in.
Speaker 7 (23:41):
New Zealand and so we're putting Wall back at the top.
Speaker 10 (23:46):
And we lost it a little bit with the you know,
losing the Wall mark many years ago, but we would
like to think this is going to take place, particularly
for New Zealand. Wall It's pretty brand descriptive or on
brand and it tells the story in itself.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Okay, Mark getting on with the New Zealand Rugby because
they're notoriously anal if I can use that word, and
protective over their branding and all that sort of stuff.
So how are they taking this? Are they saying this
as a threat? Have you got their permission to sell
your black wall beanies?
Speaker 7 (24:17):
Well, it's a little bit like this.
Speaker 10 (24:19):
You're at the bottom of the ruck and they go, oh,
I want that ball, Please give me the ball. Nah soft,
We've got it and they had their chance legally. And
I won't say anymore because we're not going to rub
the nose in the butt, or would we will at
some stage. No, No, We're just going to run around
the side of the scrumb where they're procrastinating and get
(24:39):
a try on this and get a conversion of everyononder wall.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Will it be contentious? Will it be a contentious issue
in the kirk household bridget versus David? Has he got
a real conflict of interest there?
Speaker 5 (24:52):
Well?
Speaker 10 (24:52):
She told me yesterday that she was banned from going
to rugby and then she and then David said no,
you're unbanned and she will rebare myself from going to
just Mets again. Wat's the space from BK. That's all
I can say that. That's phase two of a great
a great push for Wall and BK is a great
team member for Wall Black.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
So I won't.
Speaker 7 (25:12):
I'll let her take the ball and run with it.
I'll tell you what I think you might. She might
score one ride.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
All right, enough of the enough of the rugby cliche.
So Tim Day and the guy behind Norsewar a great
story in itself is manufacturing these. But they are a
fundraiser for community sport.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (25:28):
I think ten percent of each of sale goes to
the Sideline Sports Club which is supporting school sport. And
that's you know, that's where great sports starts is with
kids or the young children, you know. And you know,
whether it's rugby, cricket, Black Caps, wheel Blacks, the Black Ferns, whoever,
it is, It all stumps at school.
Speaker 7 (25:50):
Level, doesn't it. And that's where you start. That's like education.
This is like education and sport.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Well, chatting to you today, Mark Warren has been an
education as always, and we didn't even have time to
get onto your favorite subject or subjects, carbon farming and oil.
I'll come back to those because amount of time. Hey,
thanks for your time today.
Speaker 10 (26:11):
One line to remember, it's black to the future of
Black is the name for all top sports things. So
Wall was back from the top version and we're sending
cheeks black again with Wall.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Good on you, Mark, you're a passionate man. The fifteen
hundred dollars lamb Now it's well some of your texts
on daily Man, this one's probably a well typical as usual.
That man is delusional, believing in his own BS, so
writes a very high profile New Zealander. Up next to
another high profile New Zealander, Michelle Watt with Royal News
will have sports news ahead of the one pm kickoff
(26:44):
in Los Angeles for the all Whites up against Iran.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Rural News with cub Cadet. It's one thing to talk
in a vas another to back it up drive it.
We dare you visit steel for dot Coto NZ for
your local store.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Guest Gee that line and Nearie catches me out every time. Michelle,
what good afternoon? What you got on Rural News Afternoon?
Speaker 11 (27:17):
Everybody. Bay of Plenty was the country's best performing region
at the start the year, ending Canterbury's run at the top.
Asb's regional economic scoreboard for the three months ending March
had Bay of Plenty first, followed by Canterbury and Otago.
The scoreboard ranked sixteen regions across various indicators including employment, construction,
house prices, retail trade and consumer confidence. ASB says that
(27:40):
Bay of Plenty was supported by strong jobs growth and
solid gains across construction demand, retail spending and the housing market.
And also a big part of that is the primary
sector and exports in that region.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Obviously too with Key we through absolutely driving the economy
with the sheep and beef farmers and the dairy farmers.
Mind you, Wellinkon's going to get a pick up an
economic activity when day men gets all the those overpaid
Wellington bureaucrats, those of them that survived the ax I
shouldn't be so cruel and cynical, but they're going to
save a lot of money. Twenty bucks a week's a
lot easier than one hundred and ten or whatever they
(28:11):
spend on rail and bus and boats and whatever in
the cities. There's so much feedback coming in about exactly
what I'm saying. With their public transport policy. What isn't
it for the productive sector? His sport.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Sports on the Country with AFCO business well done.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Okay, the All Whites have been forced to make a
World Cup squad change ahead of facing Iran this afternoon.
Midfielder Matt Garbet's tournament is over with a hamstring injury.
He's been replaced by Auckland FC's Logan Rogerson. And in rugby,
Hurricane's boss Tony philp Is keen to push the limits
for Saturday Super Rugby Final against the Chiefs. How good
(28:52):
is that game going to be? Tickets to the decider
and Wellington have sold out in fifteen minutes, so there
Ego and Phelps says they're looking into temporary seating. What
a game that'll be up next? It is Ed Lavor
Young Farmer of the Year Grand finalist.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
FMG Young Farmer of the Year twenty twenty six. FMG
proud principal sponsor since twenty fifteen.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Well yesterday on the Country we started profiling the seven
grand finalists for the FMG Young Farmer of the Year title.
It was David Reesby for Taranaki manua Iu. Today we're
heading to the other side of the Island. The East
Coast finalist or representative is ed Lavor, deer sheep and
beef farmer at a place called Webber, which is sort
(29:43):
of east of danny Verk southern Hawks Bay. There ed
great to have you on the country. You're no stranger
to big competition. You've been in the high performance rowing scene,
You've taken part in the Coast to Coast Longest Day
and God's Own. How do you find time to go
farming with all that and your diary?
Speaker 9 (30:02):
Yeah, it's a pretty busy, pretty busy schedule, but yeah,
the farming comes first and a lot of time for
the training happens with the headlight on, sort of before
and after work.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
So what is your family background? Are you on a
family farm at the moment?
Speaker 9 (30:19):
Yep, So me and my partner have been back on
a family farm for two years now. Grew up it
was all their farm and then since then there's sort
of acquired more land and divestied into sheep and beef
as well.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
You went to Smedley Station and then you went on
to Lincoln University. That's if you don't mind me saying
so a slightly unusual career path. A lot of young
guys and girls might go to Smedley and then go
mustering and straight to the coal face. Why did you
go to Lincoln after that?
Speaker 6 (30:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (30:48):
I suppose I left school wanting to go farming and
Smedley was the best option there. So that was pretty
cool man to get through through Smedley and then was
lucky enough to get a sports goal to go to Lincoln.
So yeah, check the three degree onto the end of
my education.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
What was your sports scholarship on Lincoln and rowing?
Speaker 7 (31:10):
You're still on the rowing No, no, so it's pretty
hard to row.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
In the middle of nowhere. Yeah, fair enough, I get that.
But are you still competing competitively, like in coast to
coast god zone?
Speaker 9 (31:25):
And yes, so I did coast to coast in theory
this year Longest Day. I've done a couple of god
zones in the last couple of years, and ye've done
three coast to coasts.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Now.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
I ran into Richie at the airport and at the
big debate at field Days. He looks as fit as
a fiddle. Have you run Have you come across some
in your guard zones? Richie McCaul we're talking about of course?
Speaker 9 (31:46):
Yeah, yeah, when you turn those kind of circles. You
sort of bump heads for those guys, and a few
occasions we've been in the middle of the night trudging
up a river together and having a cookyarn. So now
it's pretty cool to bump shoulders and thought with those
high profile athletes.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Ed labor with us. He is the East Coast regional
finalists for the Young Farmer Grand Final coming up in
our New Plymouth July, second to fourth. Ed, you're a
first time finalist at twenty nine. Have you left your
run too late?
Speaker 7 (32:19):
I will have to find out, Jamie.
Speaker 9 (32:21):
You could say I've had more years to get some
experience under my bout.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Well, the irony is I think you still even if
you were to miss out this year, Ed, And I'm
not suggesting your will. You're obviously a pretty determined into
character and a very competitive man. But you can get
another shot next year if you want.
Speaker 9 (32:38):
Yeah, I just learned that recently. Actually, I thought this
was my last run, my last crack, and part of
the reason was for signing up was there. I thought,
if I'm going to do it, I've only got one chance,
so I better get onto it. But yeah, as I've went,
I think I have another Creek next year.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Well, well, good on you. Hey, Just to finish on,
I asked David Riesby this question, so it's only fair
that I ask you of that strengths and weaknesses. You
are obviously strong on the pastoral side of things, sheep,
beef and deer. Do you know how to milk a cow?
Can you pick a kiwi fruit?
Speaker 7 (33:09):
The milking of the cow?
Speaker 9 (33:10):
Though, we did a little bit when I was at Smedley,
but that's about as far as my cow knowledge extends. Yeah,
practically pretty good with my hands building stuff. Yeah, when
it comes to my knowledge in the agriquiz, that's probably
going to be my downfall. But spending a bit of
time hitting the books in that sense.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Well edl over, I know you're a very busy man.
Knowing you, you're probably heading off to share some sheep
or go on a training run. Hey, good luck. You're
the grand finalist number two that we're profiling over the
next week here on the Country.
Speaker 7 (33:42):
Good luck you. Thanks Jammy.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Here's a US farming correspondent, Todd Clark, based out of
the beautiful Lexington area in Kentucky. It was a big
day yesterday, Todd. In America, Trump's birthday, the UFC on
the White House lawn. More importantly, as I've said earlier,
we broken the peace deal. That was good. How's it
being viewed in America?
Speaker 5 (34:10):
Good day, Jamie. The it depends on your age if
some of the events of yesterday, it depends on your
your age. But if you're young like my my three sons,
they were excited about the UFC fights on the south
(34:31):
lawn of the of the White House. But my wife
and I weren't impressed by that. But but as far
as the peace deal, everyone is pleased to hopefully we're
all holding our breath to see if this actually holds,
but to see this happen. But today, a day later,
some of the details are coming out, and so there's
(34:52):
a lot of complaints now about that we we spent
taxpayer money to blow the place up, and now three
hundred billion has been promised to go back and fix
it back. And so that's some of the pushback that's
happening today is is just complaints about why did we
do that in the first place, and now we're having
(35:14):
to pay to fix the place back up.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Yeah, you kind of get the feeling it was a
war that didn't need to happen.
Speaker 5 (35:19):
Oh absolutely. And there's a Kentucky representative. He just lost
his race for Congress, but he's a Republican and he
said recently that we promised to do all these things
as Republicans, and we've got into the Oval Office.
Speaker 6 (35:38):
Where sent it.
Speaker 5 (35:40):
In the House, we hold both of those and we've
not done any of these things. And one of those
things was no.
Speaker 6 (35:47):
Wars. And here we are.
Speaker 5 (35:50):
And so even in the last couple of days it
came out that we're now lurking around down in somewhere
in South America doing something. So it's the American people
want to just doesn't sound good, but focus on ourselves
that leave all these other people alone.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
I know it's very early days, but have you seen
any relief at a gas station as you guys call it.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
Yes, all do in Kentucky. Several states have already done this,
but the state taxes that were put on gas. Our
governor a few weeks ago paused those taxes to help
with the cost at the pumps. So compared to places
like California, our gas prices have been pretty good to
(36:37):
begin with. But yes, today gas is three dollars and
forty five cents a gallon US gallon US dollars, So
we're getting better, but we were three dollars are below
before all of this started. Diesel is the worst. We're
(36:59):
inverted compared to you guys, but diesel has been around
five dollars for quite some time, and so that's for
me as a farmer, that's the part that's the most painful.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Well, we weren't immune from that either. Hey, beef, is
that record highs here? So is lamb. Let's start with beef.
I'm assuming you guys are still getting record prices in
the States.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
We are, Yes, that's just going full boarhead. The retention
of heifer's for the most part is not happening, and
part of it's had to do with there's we went
through some drought in Kentucky a month ago, but there's
more widespread drought out west, and so there's a lot
(37:43):
of selling off of cattle herds out west, and so
building back the herd is not happening at the moment,
and so the some speculation is these prices could continue,
maybe go higher. I don't see how that's possible as
a consumer, but yes, very strong prices.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Do you know anyone at all who farms sheep in
the States.
Speaker 5 (38:06):
Not Kentucky used to be a huge sheep state, but
because of predators coyotes in particular, we even had a
very small flock up until five years ago and eventually
he ended up selingmon, but just because of the predator issues.
But out west in the US there's some nothing like
(38:30):
you guys, but there's some decent sized flocks out there,
but predators for the most part prevent us from raising
livestock that small. There's some goats in Kentucky, but even
that is problematic, especially with the coyotes.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Thanks for your toon.
Speaker 5 (38:47):
Appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Thanks Jan good on you to Todd Clark, a US
farm and correspondent. All White's about to open their campaign
at the Football World Cup. One o'clock is kick off there.
We're looking forward to that one on tomorrow show Christopher
Luxe and Jane Smith and the GDT Auction Catch you
then go to the All Whites.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
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