March 9, 2026 • 36 mins
Jamie Mackay talks to Rhys Roberts, Conor English, Richard Green, Nancy Crawshaw, Tessa Chartres, Dr Victoria Hatton, and Doug Avery.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Catch all the latest from the land. It's the Country
Podcast with Jamie McKay. Thanks to farmlands from tanks to trafs,
trusted for water control.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Grounds controls and mage It's arm.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Take your broddine bells and but your helmet's arm.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
New Zealan and welcome to the Country. Coming to you
from day one. I'm all over the place at the
moment of the Impact Summit here in christ Xander McDonald
awards tonight, kicking off off with the weabit of David
Bowie for our longest living listener. We've bought a few
to death over the years, but this bloke is hung
in from day one when we kicked off in Southland
(00:51):
of nineteen ninety four, Big David Bowie fan, Jeff Heaps, Thanks,
you've been a great supporter of the show. Right, we're
going to chat to a lot of people I don't
get to see in person that often today, So we're
going to have Connor English up from the Political Dynasty,
former chief executive, a Federated Farmer's former advisor to the
Reserve Bank, Richard Green one of the keynote speakers this morning.
(01:17):
He and I go way back to the hockey nearby
days in the early two thousands. Nancy Crawlshaw and Tessa
Chartras twenty twenty four Xander McDonald Award winners Dynamic Young Woman,
Doctor Victoria Hatton, Chief executive of Food HQ. She's a futurist,
Doug Avery. I don't know if he's a futurist. He's
been around for a long long time, the resilient farmer.
(01:39):
And if I can catch him because we missed him,
yes that I'll get him today or tomorrow. Phil Duncan
is at a corporate lunch in Auckland, but I'm going
to kick it off with the guy who is the
chair of the Impact Summit here. He's also the twenty
twenty two winner of the Xander McDonald Awards. His name
is Rhes Roberts, Mid Canterbury Cowcocky, although you do also
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run market garden on your farm now, Mid Canterbury. If
you're a pastoral farmer, with all the rain you've had,
you must be having a ripper of the season.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Thanks having me, Jamien.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
Yes we are having an absolute belter, to be honest
with you. A dry land farm under Mount Summers three
hundred and ten mills since the first of January you know,
it's a great place to be. We've got good commodity prices,
great productivity, so it's really hard to find a complaint
at the moment. If the awards a complaint, it'd probably
complacency or Trump.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
He needs to finish the war.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
He does need to finish the war. He's making signs
that he could finish the war.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Well, he's making threats that he could finish the war.
And I'm going to ask Connor English about this. There
apparently is a correlation between milk prices and oil prices.
If oil goes up, milk goes up. So you could
be even having a better season courtesy of Trump's megaler
maniac tendencies.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
He's been helpful in the past and could be in
the future.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
How did you get the job of chair of the
Impact someone? Obviously you've got a connection with the awards
which are on tonight as a winner. I note the
bloke you pipped up the post, old Adam Thompson. He
hasn't even made it here today yet.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
Yeah, he's a bit of a LaGG old Adam, But no,
I think it was just process of last man standing. However,
been involved with someone I like to give back. It's
been good to me and so I'd like to give back,
and that's how I've got involved. And it's been six
months of the teamwork to get to where we are
today and quite happy with what we've delivered. We've got
some great speakers ahead and we've had some great speakers
(03:27):
this morning. So I think there's Summit's more around connection
and bringing people together. So the speakers are kind of
a nice to have. It's around how do we enhance
and connect people and grow that network.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
There are some big players in that room. You can't
be a four hundred acre sheep farmer like I was
in Riversdale back in the day. I wouldn't have made
the cup for this thing. No.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
The speaker that I'm looking forward to Don mcdonaldred. He's
been in business two hundred years tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Family, yes, family, and Donald's of course the father of
the late sandom and Donald and they are they with
the Australia's biggest landowners, aren't they They were?
Speaker 5 (04:01):
Yeah, well privately, So two hundred years family business next year,
that's phenomenals.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Okay, Riece Roberts, I know you've come out of because
Don's speaking right now and you came out to chat
to me under juress, I'm going to let you go
and you can go back and well done. You've got
a great conference, very well organized thus far. Mind you've
only been here for a couple of hours. Let's just
welcome in Connor English if we can. I ran into
him just as we got out of the uber at
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the Chateau on the park here and christ Church. Who
should I meet? Big noting at outside talking business but
Connor English.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Good to see you you gooday, Jamie, wonderful to see
you as always.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Yeah, well we did catch up for a brief bear
at the National Lamb Dave Barbecue in Wellington.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Yes, yeah, no, it was. It's always good to have
you in Wellington, you know, seeing how the real world operates,
in the political world in Wellington.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
What's happening in Wellington at the moment with your beloved
National Party. For people who don't realize this, and I'm
sure most people do. You are the younger brother our
former Prime Minister, so William English. I knew him as
Bill back in the day.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Look, I've got six big brothers and five big sisters,
and one of them happens to be a politician. I've
got a few other you know, the other ones do
all sorts of other interesting things. But now I mean
on one eton at the moment, you know, we're starting
into election year, so there's a lot of focus. I
guess I'm winning the election and who's winning at the moment.
So we're seeing a bit of reaction to various political
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polls over the last the last week while and what
combination might might get over the line in November, and
that's creating a bit of pressure on some politicians.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
As Christopher Luxan under threat as National Party leader.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Well, it's hard to know. I guess we're going to
find out. There's certainly been a lot of speculation around that,
media speculation and because they like, they like the speculation
around any party having a leader under pressure.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Was Chipping going a sleepwalk to victory if indeed he
gets to victory. I saw him at the To his credit,
he turned up at the Golden Chairs on Saturday night
and mastered and I shouted on the sausage role. I
guess I was sucking up awey, but just covering the
bases just in case he gets the job. I'm not
so worried about him. It's his coalition partner, as though
it caused me sleepless nights.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Yeah. Well, the other thing is that there's a of
a lot of uncertainty, you know, in the world at
the moment. It's a long time between you know, now
and the election, and I think all the political parties
will come under a bit more of examination of what
they are going to offer the electorate going into the election.
So now we are in this sort of funny phase
where no one's actually announced a lot of policy, and
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we're very heavily distracted by what's happening, you know, nine
parts overseas.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
You've also in your past life, because you've worn many
hats and business and agri business, you've been an independent
advisor to the Reserve Bank. How many interest rate rises
before Christmas?
Speaker 3 (06:47):
And when does the first Well that's a big, a
crucial question, actually, isn't it. And we've sort of got
this divergence of view where people think that the US
economy is in a far worse position than it than
Donald Trump is perhaps presenting it is, and therefore they'll
have to print money and interest rates will go down.
And on the other side of the coin, you've got
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sovereign risk being created over the air and interstrates will
go up, so you know, being an economist on the
one hand might go up. The other hand, it might down.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
What does my Australian correspondent say about economists Connor English?
She said, if you laid every economist end to end,
you still wouldn't reach your conclusion. And I think it's
quite good. And now the other thing is that you
kind of moonlight. Are you the chair of e Sports.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
New Zealand you're the president?
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Now, you and I have always argue on this. Esports
isn't a sport and I think of all these kids
who are sitting in front of screens. I'm sounding like
a grumpy old boomer because I am one. It would
be better off outside in the fresh air and sunshine,
kicking a ball around.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Well, I think there's a big opportunity for you, Jamie,
because as you get older and you use you need
to use your brain a bit more. And I haven't
used I think you've used it, you know, once or twice.
I know you've used it. But you know, the great
thing about on you know, gaming is that you use
your brain. It's interactive and our athletes and we have
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got an e black. You know, we have got e
blacks that we send to you know, all parts of
the world these days. You know, it's really building a
lot of momentum. And we've got an Olympic movement who
wants to run esports as separate from the summer in
the winter Olympics. So you've got to get with the times, Jamie.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
I think I'll stay as a Connor English catch up.
It is a bang on quarter past twelve. We are
broadcasting from the Impact Summit. Now if you're wondering what
the Impact Summit is, look, I've even got the actual
definition of it. A gathering of emerging leaders, industry influencers,
Xander McDonald, Award partners, long term and New Supporters Award
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alumni will be talking to some of them shortly from
across Australia and New Zealand. And as I said to
Reece Roberts, I think to get an invite to this
Connor you need about several thousand acres or hectares and
minded that's a bit like the English is down in
South and now you're taking over the place. I hear.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Oh, I've got other family who are involved in that, Jamie,
and they are doing.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Good on Connor English. You're going to take a break hopefully.
Richard Green, one of the keynotes speakers this morning. We
go back to the early two thousands and the Southland
days on howkna we Radio. He's done very well for
himself and here he is here, we'll he'll be back
after the break. It was that well known welcome back
(09:37):
to the country from the Impact Summit, shadow on the park. Gee,
this this place used to be well, I suppose it
is still kind of super flash. It was around in
my Lincoln days. I think another man who was there
at Lincoln College round about the same time as me.
In fact, Richard Green, you were one of the keynotes
speakers this morning, and I got three quarters of your
(10:00):
speech after I got in from Dunedin, and I was
very informed and entertained by what you had to say.
And you and I go way back to the early
two thousands when you were agricom and I was running
Holkanui radio and you were a regular contributor. Great to
catch you again.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
For all these years, I think I was a roving agronomus.
Was roving agronomus.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
I used to talk.
Speaker 6 (10:22):
Technical things about flaring dates and in the fight flaring
dates of rye grasses and in the fights and legumes
and liam growth rates and things I don't actually talk
much about now.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Well, end of fights. I remember that when I was
at Lincoln, we were worried about the Argentinian stem weavil
and we had to get eye high end to fight
NUIs and the only problem with that grass was status. Well,
I was going to say the Argentine stem weavel didn't
like it either did the sheep and the cattle. So
you've since gone on to bigger and better things and
(10:52):
your your story or you talk all about this morning
was recognizing business and how to expand your business and
the rule of seventy two. Talk to us about that?
Speaker 6 (11:03):
Yeah, Well, I think that the theme of the summit is
actually all about strong foundations because hence the earthquake, and
how do you build a foundation that you can then
grow in times of how do you get resilience and
how can you grow away from that strong foundation? So
what I was asked to speak about is what do
I think the business fundamentals are that build What are
(11:24):
the key foundations of business? And so I started by
talking about the eighty twenty rule and the Preto principle
about how there's twenty percent of the businesses generate eighty
percent of the profit in the industry, and how I've
always wanted to be one of the twenty percent, not
one of the eighty percent. And then I also talked
about the power of compounding if you keep reinvesting in
your business. And there's someone wise guy once told me
(11:47):
about the rule of seventy two, and it simply goes,
whatever return you can make out of your business, divide
that into seventy two. So if it's a ten percent return,
it'll take seven point two years is to double your
capital orir equity. And so I thought, yes, that's interesting.
But imagine if you could do fifteen percent returns and
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that would then take you five years to double your capital.
So I've been quite focused on that throughout my career
and businesses. Actually, how do I double every five years?
And it used to be relatively easy. It's got a
lot harder.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Well, it was pretty easy in the days of big
capital gains, especially for dairy farming. And I think of
all those North Islanders who came south to the God's
own farming province, Southland and to be fair at Canterbury
and they bought land at lower values, they ramped up
their production, they did very well.
Speaker 6 (12:39):
Yeah, but now it's actually the models different, isn't it.
Although we've had very good capital gain in the last
eighteen months in Canterbury, but the ten years prior to
that we had none, and so we've had to focus
on cash and that's been really positive, I think, and
it's meant that we've actually brought a lot of disciplines
into that business that we've focused on profit and we've
actually got quite a few and driven out some of
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our cost structures lower to achieve that. I think from
it a cannaary lens.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
So are you're personally invested in dairy farming yourself? No?
Speaker 4 (13:08):
I am.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
You talked about the sweet spot for the size of
your operation. You reckoned. I think you quoted six to
eight hundred cows is a good place to be? Is
that enough scale?
Speaker 6 (13:20):
Well, the question came from the floor for the context
was as you keep growing your businesses, how do you
keep reinvesting because you get to a point where the
marginal return gets lower, so your total return drops. And
I was talking about, well, you almost need to develop hubs,
so you don't grow a business beyond its sweet spot.
And I know, and I'm no expert in this, but
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people tell me that, you know, once you get beyond
for staff and beyond one heard, things get more complex.
In a dairy farm and a consultant idea that always
tells me that six hundred eight hundred cows is the
sweet spot.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Now, you also talked about time in the business, when
to call it a day, and you talked about five
year increments of reviewing your time in a business.
Speaker 6 (14:05):
Yeah, which is a foreign concept for a lot of farmers.
But what I talked about is in business, when you
go into a business, I find it really powerful to
say I'm going to write on a bit of paper
that I'm going to exit this business in five years,
because that forces you to do the things you have
to do to create value. Now, in five years time,
you make another decision, and you may choose not to exit.
(14:27):
That's fine, but least you've made a conscious decision and
put KPIs and actions in place to drive value accreciation. Hey,
just finally for you, because we've got two celebrity guests
lining up to chat to us. The twenty twenty four
winners of the Xander McDonald Awards. What do you make
of the world at the moment? It's a messy place.
You and I are of a similar generation Lincoln College.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
So I though I'm a bit younger than you, Jambers,
Well you might, but we were both at Lincoln in
the eighties at the beginning. You were at the end,
and I flirted with Otago universe, so I might have
ten on you.
Speaker 7 (15:01):
But what.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Amongst friends? What about the state of the world.
Speaker 6 (15:06):
Yes, well, I mean, I guess what. I've got no
idea how it's going to evolve, but what I actually
know there will be opportunities in it too. There'll be
some stresses and strains, and I'm watching the oil price
and wondering when that does inflation and interest rates. But
I also know there's a good positive correlation with milk price,
with oil prices, with oil. Yeah, correct, I thought you
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said wool.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
I talked to Connor English about I mean, could Trump
be a good thing for New Zealand? Very farmers even
help us?
Speaker 4 (15:36):
Yeah, and interesting.
Speaker 6 (15:37):
I actually just come back from the US and the
whole train round g LP one, the weight loss stroke
and what that's doing for increasing protein And you know,
I think that's a tail wind for us at the
moment too. So yes, through our challenge is no question,
but I think there's also as always, there's also some
tail wins and some bright spots too.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Okay, Richard Green, great to catch up again after all
these years. A fantastic presentation this We're going to take
a break. It's twenty six after twelve. Up next it
is Nancy crawl Shaw, New Zealand Tessa Chartres Australia. Because
the Zander McDonald Awards are all about Australasian agriculture. They're
the twenty twenty four winners. They're making a presentation this afternoon.
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I think Nancy, for a sins is going to try
and get some of these conference attendees. Thank god, I've
got an early plane to catch out in Hagley Park.
We're just off Hagley Park here in christ Church to
do a fitness session tomorrow morning, six point thirty in
the park. I wouldn't hold your breath wandering to get
too many of that lot in there, but she's enthusiastic.
(16:38):
They're up next. Welcome back to the country from the
Impact Summit and christ Church Shadow on the Park. Xander
McDonald Awards tonight. We will have the winners on tomorrow's show.
But here are the winners because we have one winner
from Australia and one from New Zealand from twenty twenty four,
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both dynamic, young and my everything's relative of course women
in agriculture. I want to start with you paper siss
As rock you refuse to play. Nancy gave you first
crack of the cherrias that were there are Tessa Charts.
Tell us about you and more importantly the place where
you're from, because I can't stay.
Speaker 8 (17:20):
It, thanks Jerry. Yeah, my Tessa Charters. I'm based in Denilloquin,
which is in the Southern Riverina of New South Wales.
It's actually a bit more like you're living in Victoria.
We are just north of the border. But yeah, we're
actually much closer to Melbourne than we would beat to Sydney.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
So remind us about your CV. How did you get
to one the Zanda McDonald ord on twenty twenty four.
Speaker 8 (17:44):
Yeah, so I live in quite a strong irrigation district
and i'd been working on a Federal Environmental Watering home
well funded project installing infrastructure to support environmental watering. The
direct alongside infrastructure for farming, So really getting those two
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things to work together to deliver the priorities of the
basin plant and working in the water policy space. The
Maredaling Basin Plan is obviously a huge part of agricultural
policy and impacts all facets of agriculture significantly across the country.
So something I'm really passionate about and really enjoy working in.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Her husband and the five year old twins. Here are they?
Are you on your lonesome?
Speaker 8 (18:28):
I have managed to sneak away by myself this time. No,
they're back at home. They've just started school, the boys,
so yeah, it's pretty busy time.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Is your husband a farmer?
Speaker 8 (18:38):
He is a farmer. Yeah, still working on the work
with his family farm and mixed enterprise and all the
things that come with that. Living in the River Arena,
it's a pretty dry place and working with border prices.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Water is such a precious asset, isn't it in Australia.
I know there's been lots of arguments, almost range wars
over the years with what to do with the water
and the Darling and Murray rivers, and of course my
in laws and my daughter lives in Adelaide, so I'm
very well aware of the Murray River and what a
mighty waterway it is, but there's a lot of people
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sucking on it on the way down. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (19:16):
It's a really challenging landscape and with a show of
being such a large country, it's a really tough one
to manage and to really make sure that everyone's getting
what they need and to share that across communities, across
the environment, across agriculture and really support all those different
uses for all water used to get the most that
they can. It is a tough balance and it is
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so important to everyone. It is quite a motive topic.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Are you going to get out of bed at Sparrow's
Fat tomorrow to do Nancy's fitness regime in Hagley Park?
Speaker 8 (19:47):
It's not for me.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
I haven't found anyone who wants to do it a
Tessa chart. Its lovely to chat and I look forward
to your presentation this afternoon. We might grab Nancy here
spends by memory because it's just good to meet these
people in person after chatting to them over a number
of years. In your case, Nancy, but you you share
your life or do you still share your life between
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Australia and New Zealand.
Speaker 9 (20:12):
Yes they do.
Speaker 7 (20:12):
So I go between Australian New Zealand near every month,
but I'm based in New Zealand, so Northern Hooks Bay.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Yeah, and from a good farming family. Your brother Patrick,
he was a finalist in the Young Farmer of the
Year the year we had Gabrielle and there was a
great story about him getting helicopptered out basically so he
could compete.
Speaker 7 (20:32):
Yes, the helicopter was a backup option. They very nearly
needed it, but thankfully he was able to get there
that day and that was their first day off farm
to compete in that regional final the day they got
out after the cyclone.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
So you're involved with Angus spief yes black Gold. Yes, yeah, exactly.
So tell us what you do between Australia and New Zealand.
Speaker 7 (20:52):
So my role was the Extinction manager for Angus Australia.
So what that is running educational and youth events to
our members. So with youth events we'd be running future
leaders programs. We do practical hands on things on farm
as well as doing conferences and beef cal assessment schools.
And then in terms of the membership side, we're looking
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at how can we upscal our members so that all
the tools we have available they can get the most
out of to make their beef business as profitable as
it can be.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Beef seems to have, of all the AG sectors at
the moment, almost the best medium term outlook. There seems
to be no end in sight. Or am I being
too optimistic for these really good prices?
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Now?
Speaker 7 (21:32):
I think we keep the optimism up. I'll be catching
up with Simon Quilty next month, so I hope you'll
be able to get the updates from him to see
where we're at.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Okay, I've got to take a break. Looking forward to
you too. Your presentation this afternoon. That's Nancy crawl Shore
along with Tessa Chartress. Remember if you want, because what
if someone's listening in christ Church and they want to
meet you, Can they join your fitness class tomorrow at
six point thirty Because I'm worried you're going to be
out there by yourself.
Speaker 7 (21:57):
Oh if I'm out your find myself, it won't worry
me too much.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Doug Avery's just wandered in here. He turned up last.
Speaker 7 (22:02):
Year, So go Doug. And I don't know how I
got the job again. I thought I pushed him hard
up that I'll be sacked, but unfortunately I got the
call up again.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Oh he's a fit man. We'll chat to him in
a moment. Thank you very much, Nancy, lovely to meet
in person. We're going to take a break on the
other side of it. By the way, it is twenty
six away from one. We're going to do rural news.
Michelle's made her way. I can't believe we've let her
out of the studio in Dunedin, but here she is.
She's doing a great job along with Matt from our
Christchurch Tech. Here I will have rural news. Mark Kelly
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running the ship out of Auckland HQ the Mothership before
the end of the hour, Doctor Victoria Hatton, chief executive
of Food HQ Innovation. She's a futurist. What does the
future hold for us? Doug Avery, the resilient farmer and
if I can squeeze him and I'll probably have to
dump them till tomorrow's show, but I will get him
at one day this week. Phil Duncan on the weather
(23:01):
Welcome back to the Country, Impact Summer Day one day
two tomorrow we'll have the winners of the Zander McDonald Awards.
On tomorrow's show. Doug Avery, the old resilient Farmer, is
fizziting at the Bung for his workout tomorrow morning at
Hagley Park. I'll believe it when I see it, but anyhow,
he'll be on shortly, along with Futurist food futurist doctor
(23:23):
Victoria Hatton. But here's Michelle Watt with the latest and
Rural News, the.
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Speaker 10 (23:38):
Thanks Jamie, and actually let me out of the studio
with you. I'm not down in, Dnedin.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Well, that's what's your job is down there to be fair,
although we are letting you off the chain again for
field days.
Speaker 10 (23:49):
That's right, I'm allowed out in public. This is a
bit scary, isn't it. Does that mean the training wheels
have come off and I finally to meet people because
I'm not embarrassing anymore.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Well, let's see what you come up with the rural
news again. Rural News.
Speaker 10 (24:02):
More than nine hundred growers, employers, service providers and industry
stakeholders are expected to gather in Wellington in July for
the twenty twenty six New Zealand Horticultural Conference. So tickets
an hour sal for this two day event, which is
hosted by Heart New Zealand at the Tarkena, Wellington Convention
and Exhibition Center on the twenty eighth and twenty ninth
of July. So lots of things coming up in the
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next couple of months, Jamie.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Yeah, and just a text through because I haven't got
the text machine in front of me. But Lindy Nelson
Agri Women's Development Trusts great to hear from and say
for farms is say for farms? Yeah, she'll tell me
off if I got it wrong. How wonderful are those
two Xander McDonald women. And what a lineup for tonight's finalists.
And I've met one of the finalists in person, even
though I've chatted to her, Chloe. What's Chloe's name again?
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Oh now she's got a double banger name. Some well
come back to Harris Butcher Harries yet and she's she's
been on country Calendar. She is a real hard case.
So a great field as well. But you're right, lind
Nancy crawl Shaw, Tessa Chartress. Very very impressive women. Right,
Let's do sport with Mark Kelly.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Sports on the Country with AFCO business.
Speaker 11 (25:12):
Well done, Thank you Jamie. A penalty shootout has been
required to find the last quarter finalists in Football's FA Cup.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
We stam.
Speaker 11 (25:20):
They won five to three after the scores finished it
two all after extra time. They'll host Leeds on April five.
Back to christ Church.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Thank you Mark. Well. Doctor Victoria Hatton has just fronted up,
which means the resilient farm has been pushed down them. No, no, no, no,
you're still on. But doctor Victoria's next. I know I
can rely on you, Doug. You just sit down and
have arrest Doug Avery before the end of the hour.
But up next, doctor Victoria Hatton, a futurist focused on
building across the food innovation ecosystem. I've got no idea
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what that means, but Victoria will tell us, and I'm
mighte ask her, as a futurist, how the future looks
for the world. That's up next on the Country, coming
to you from the Impact Summit here in christ Church,
seventeen away from one Happy Birthday. Jeff. He's Southland farmer,
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another dairy farming friend of mine from down the neck
of the woods has texted me and said, Richard Green
was great and I really would love to bottle his
speech from this morning about how to progress and more
importantly grow your business, because he was very, very good. Well,
this is exciting for me to meet a face to
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face doctor Victoria Hatton, chief executive of Food HQ Innovation
and PALMEI North. You're a futurist. What does the future
hold for us? Victoria?
Speaker 9 (26:46):
Well, that's a really fascinating question because the only person
that's talked about the future here has been Helia. Oh sorry,
he was on just before, just before. So the few
what we know about the future is it won't be
the same as today. Okay. There are so many disruptions
heading our way, whether it's climate change, whether it's geopolitical disruption,
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whether it's the trade corridors, whether it's like fuel availability,
you know, to get our ships off shore and get
our product.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
We're seeing all of that at the moment, all of
it as a futurist think of President Trump and what
he's up to at the moment.
Speaker 9 (27:24):
So the one thing about President Trump, you won't live forever. Okay,
So we.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Know that but well, they replace them. I mean they
might replace like for like, they might check I don't
know Jdvans or someone in there.
Speaker 9 (27:37):
So one of the things that we would urge is
that to not put all our eggs in one basket.
So I wrote an article recently about resilience and deliberate resilience.
So does it really matter what Trump does if we've
got secure markets elsewhere, and if we're actually able to
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have confidence in the product that we're creating to go
into new varied markets that we're not actually worried about.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
What yeh, But the oil comes from that part of
the world. Therein lies the problem. Plus we actually seen
a whole lot of stuff up through that water channel
as well, three or four billion dollars worth can't get
through at the moment. I know there are other ways
of getting it there, but they're much more expensive.
Speaker 9 (28:23):
So renewables. Okay, we have to actually loosen our reliance
on oil coming from the Middle East, So why not
invest in our infrastructure at home in terms of putting
up product through that corridor. The six hundred million people
that live within six hours of Singapore, Actually, why not
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think about that market as well? You know, actually closer
to home. Australia's another future market that we should be
investing in, this concept of partnership and deeply understanding our
consumer and what product that they want from us in
the future and thinking quite differently about relations and the.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Last government, the labor Laid government Undernder are doing more laterly.
Chris Hipkins tried to get us going down the renewable
energy track with the electric cars. It didn't really work
or we didn't buy into it. We should we have?
Speaker 9 (29:16):
We definitely should. We're thinking about confidently transitioning into a
future that we can control ourselves, and the only way
that we can do that is by having that infrastructure
at home. And it's not necessarily having an electric infrastructure
that allows you to charge on the go, is actually
about their science behind the batteries that allow them to
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last longer. We definitely need to be thinking renewables.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Have you ever sit down and had a capital with
Sean Jones. I think you'd have an interesting.
Speaker 9 (29:46):
Conversation, would be quite fascinating. But we actually have to
think about what that future is and we can't rely
on resources being shipped into New Zealand or rely on
resources that are potentially damaging to our environment. We need
to move into the future.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Well, that's energy and trade. Well let's talk about food.
You're a food futurist as well. Will there always be
a future for our protein in years to come? And
I've often wondered about this. Will people want to have
dinner that is the result of an animal making the
ultimate sacrifice? I'm quite happy to do so, Victoria, because
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I'm a boomer and a carnivore, and I don't think
I'm going to change at the stage. Dugs the same,
But I'm talking about my kids, my grandkids.
Speaker 9 (30:35):
So I think that meat and milk will always have
a place in our diet. I think the nutrient density
of both of those products means that we and we
require them for our human development, for our muscle growth,
for our aging capability. How we eat them and how
they show upon our plate will be different. So whether
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it's the transition from a three hundred gram steak to
a fifty to eighty gram steak, because we're considered.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
But where's that hang on? Where's the fun and an
eighty gram stake? Sorry, you might be a futurist, but
you're a bit of a killed joy.
Speaker 9 (31:10):
But actually an eighty gram steak that has this satiety
that a three hundred grand piece of meat has.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
What that redmain Sorry it's academics. What does that mean?
Speaker 9 (31:20):
It means that you're enjoying it just as much, and
you get just as much pleasure from a smaller piece
of meat as you do from a larger piece of meat.
And if you consider then the weight loss drugs that
GLP ones of the world.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Well, and sorry, Richard Green mentioned that. So that is
a real opportunity.
Speaker 9 (31:37):
Isn't it a massive opportunity? But they're wanting a sixty
to seventy grand piece of meat on their plate. We
don't breed for that currently. And it's not the case
of taking an animal and just chopping up the steak
into smaller portions, because each of those pieces of meat
is bred for that complete satisfaction. So we need to
breed for smaller piece of meat.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
So I need to get used to when there's lamb right,
and that's my absolute favorite.
Speaker 9 (32:01):
I'm allowed one, you're allowed one. No, But in all honesty,
in ten fifteen years time, we may not even want
a lamreck. We might want a scoop of red meat
protein powder. When we're heading to the gym, or we
might want a red meat supplement in a tablet form
that allows us to have that rich nutrient hit in
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a smaller dose.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Yeah, I can get all that now. Talking about going
to the gym, are you going to brave the early
morning start? And do you look like an athletic sort
of person? Are you going to do the fitness regime
across the road at Hagley Park tomorrow morning?
Speaker 9 (32:40):
I might have forgotten to bring my training shoes.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Hey, Victoria you are I've just lost my screen. Your
title is that you're the chief Executive of Food Innovation HQ.
Did I get that round the right? HQ and Innovation? We'll,
I've just lost my screen. I need to log in again. Hey,
great to meet you in person. We must stay and
touch your good talent, even though I don't like your
future with eighty grams with the meat. But I am
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not the future Either's that next guess the old resilient farmer.
He's on the way out as well. It's this young
man here, Matt at ten and Michelle still got a
few years left. Yes, it's this young man here. But
I got the feeling by how much morning tea He
scoffed that he ain't going to be into an eighty
gram steak, are you, Matt, No, he's But was.
Speaker 9 (33:28):
There any protein at morning tea?
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Oh no he didn't. You were just eating cakes. He
hasn't finished it yet. Anyhow, we're going to take a break.
We're going to wrap the show from christ Church with
Doug Avery the Resilient Farmer, wrapping the country from the
Impact Summit. Dug Avery, the Resilient Farmer. Great to catch
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up again, wor old mates. Remember that year we traveled
around the country did the field Day's road Show together.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
Yeah, that was a great, hilarious Yeah it was. Now.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
I was looking at your face when Doctor Victoria was
talking about the eighty gram eighty grand steaks. You look
like someone to cut your throat.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Yeah, you know we're into a bit more than that.
Speaker 12 (34:09):
Pretty pretty keen on our on quality food, Jamie, and
I think very lucky that I can still join in
Hagley Park tomorrow morning and make a bit of a
fool of myself. But I'm still reasonably fit, So that's cool.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Good on you.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
That's all those steaks have eaten all over the years, exactly.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
You and Nancy might be the only ones over there
tomorrow morning.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
But good luck with that.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
You've come down from Marlborough. I know your sun phrases
running the outfit at the moment, but is Marlborough looking good?
Speaker 12 (34:34):
Yeah, Marlwi's great. It's been it's been a challenging season.
We had a terrible autumn last year, a brilliant winter
and then the spring peeded out so he ended up
getting a bit dry, and then we've had rain, and
of course the Lucien just grows and takes off. So
it's been fabulous, absolutely fabulous, and such an awesome thing
to be back back in the room here. I always
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refer to this kind of thing as the incubator of
the future.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
There's so much excitement.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
And there's so many young, well compared to us, young
dynamic people, and they're lucky. You talk to those people
like Nancy and Tessa, you know, the future of agriculture
is good. Are you still actively engaged on the speaking scene?
Do you still do it?
Speaker 10 (35:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (35:17):
I've got a bit coming up. I've got an invitation
to talk to the young horticulturess a year competition, and
Nelson and got a gig at Lincoln University shortly with
future leaders, and they've got a tennis for Farming Day.
And yeah, last year I was in the States at
an inaugural resilience thing at Oregon State University in Salem.
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That was a pretty big event for me. And I
do one on past as while I was up there,
And yeah, not a lot these days, but I love
it still.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
I still.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
I've got thirty seconds left. We've talked a bit about
Trump is the genius or is he completely bonkers?
Speaker 4 (35:54):
Oh, it's kind of instant, you know.
Speaker 12 (35:56):
Like I was in the States for a month, and
there are people over there that love him, and they're
a lot of people that hate him. I've got somebody
coming to stay with him next week who hates him.
He polarizes people. And I don't think there's anyone who
agrees with everything he does.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
No, I wouldn't. Well, I don't agree with everything he does.
But anyhow, we'll see how quickly he can finish things
in the Middle East. Let's hope it's sooner rather than later. Right,
that's us done and dusted. We'll catch it back tomorrow
from Dunedin with the winners of tonight's awards.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
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Podcast with Jamie Mackay. Thanks to farmlands from tanks to trufts,
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Catch all the latest from the land. It's the Country
Podcast with Jamie McKay. Thanks to farmlands from tanks to trafs,
trusted for water control.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Grounds controls and mage It's arm.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Take your broddine bells and but your helmet's arm.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
New Zealan and welcome to the Country. Coming to you
from day one. I'm all over the place at the
moment of the Impact Summit here in christ Xander McDonald
awards tonight, kicking off off with the weabit of David
Bowie for our longest living listener. We've bought a few
to death over the years, but this bloke is hung
in from day one when we kicked off in Southland
(00:51):
of nineteen ninety four, Big David Bowie fan, Jeff Heaps, Thanks,
you've been a great supporter of the show. Right, we're
going to chat to a lot of people I don't
get to see in person that often today, So we're
going to have Connor English up from the Political Dynasty,
former chief executive, a Federated Farmer's former advisor to the
Reserve Bank, Richard Green one of the keynote speakers this morning.
(01:17):
He and I go way back to the hockey nearby
days in the early two thousands. Nancy Crawlshaw and Tessa
Chartras twenty twenty four Xander McDonald Award winners Dynamic Young Woman,
Doctor Victoria Hatton, Chief executive of Food HQ. She's a futurist,
Doug Avery. I don't know if he's a futurist. He's
been around for a long long time, the resilient farmer.
(01:39):
And if I can catch him because we missed him,
yes that I'll get him today or tomorrow. Phil Duncan
is at a corporate lunch in Auckland, but I'm going
to kick it off with the guy who is the
chair of the Impact Summit here. He's also the twenty
twenty two winner of the Xander McDonald Awards. His name
is Rhes Roberts, Mid Canterbury Cowcocky, although you do also
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run market garden on your farm now, Mid Canterbury. If
you're a pastoral farmer, with all the rain you've had,
you must be having a ripper of the season.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Thanks having me, Jamien.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
Yes we are having an absolute belter, to be honest
with you. A dry land farm under Mount Summers three
hundred and ten mills since the first of January you know,
it's a great place to be. We've got good commodity prices,
great productivity, so it's really hard to find a complaint
at the moment. If the awards a complaint, it'd probably
complacency or Trump.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
He needs to finish the war.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
He does need to finish the war. He's making signs
that he could finish the war.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Well, he's making threats that he could finish the war.
And I'm going to ask Connor English about this. There
apparently is a correlation between milk prices and oil prices.
If oil goes up, milk goes up. So you could
be even having a better season courtesy of Trump's megaler
maniac tendencies.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
He's been helpful in the past and could be in
the future.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
How did you get the job of chair of the
Impact someone? Obviously you've got a connection with the awards
which are on tonight as a winner. I note the
bloke you pipped up the post, old Adam Thompson. He
hasn't even made it here today yet.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
Yeah, he's a bit of a LaGG old Adam, But no,
I think it was just process of last man standing. However,
been involved with someone I like to give back. It's
been good to me and so I'd like to give back,
and that's how I've got involved. And it's been six
months of the teamwork to get to where we are
today and quite happy with what we've delivered. We've got
some great speakers ahead and we've had some great speakers
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this morning. So I think there's Summit's more around connection
and bringing people together. So the speakers are kind of
a nice to have. It's around how do we enhance
and connect people and grow that network.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
There are some big players in that room. You can't
be a four hundred acre sheep farmer like I was
in Riversdale back in the day. I wouldn't have made
the cup for this thing. No.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
The speaker that I'm looking forward to Don mcdonaldred. He's
been in business two hundred years tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Family, yes, family, and Donald's of course the father of
the late sandom and Donald and they are they with
the Australia's biggest landowners, aren't they They were?
Speaker 5 (04:01):
Yeah, well privately, So two hundred years family business next year,
that's phenomenals.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Okay, Riece Roberts, I know you've come out of because
Don's speaking right now and you came out to chat
to me under juress, I'm going to let you go
and you can go back and well done. You've got
a great conference, very well organized thus far. Mind you've
only been here for a couple of hours. Let's just
welcome in Connor English if we can. I ran into
him just as we got out of the uber at
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the Chateau on the park here and christ Church. Who
should I meet? Big noting at outside talking business but
Connor English.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Good to see you you gooday, Jamie, wonderful to see
you as always.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Yeah, well we did catch up for a brief bear
at the National Lamb Dave Barbecue in Wellington.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Yes, yeah, no, it was. It's always good to have
you in Wellington, you know, seeing how the real world operates,
in the political world in Wellington.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
What's happening in Wellington at the moment with your beloved
National Party. For people who don't realize this, and I'm
sure most people do. You are the younger brother our
former Prime Minister, so William English. I knew him as
Bill back in the day.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Look, I've got six big brothers and five big sisters,
and one of them happens to be a politician. I've
got a few other you know, the other ones do
all sorts of other interesting things. But now I mean
on one eton at the moment, you know, we're starting
into election year, so there's a lot of focus. I
guess I'm winning the election and who's winning at the moment.
So we're seeing a bit of reaction to various political
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polls over the last the last week while and what
combination might might get over the line in November, and
that's creating a bit of pressure on some politicians.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
As Christopher Luxan under threat as National Party leader.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Well, it's hard to know. I guess we're going to
find out. There's certainly been a lot of speculation around that,
media speculation and because they like, they like the speculation
around any party having a leader under pressure.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Was Chipping going a sleepwalk to victory if indeed he
gets to victory. I saw him at the To his credit,
he turned up at the Golden Chairs on Saturday night
and mastered and I shouted on the sausage role. I
guess I was sucking up awey, but just covering the
bases just in case he gets the job. I'm not
so worried about him. It's his coalition partner, as though
it caused me sleepless nights.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Yeah. Well, the other thing is that there's a of
a lot of uncertainty, you know, in the world at
the moment. It's a long time between you know, now
and the election, and I think all the political parties
will come under a bit more of examination of what
they are going to offer the electorate going into the election.
So now we are in this sort of funny phase
where no one's actually announced a lot of policy, and
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we're very heavily distracted by what's happening, you know, nine
parts overseas.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
You've also in your past life, because you've worn many
hats and business and agri business, you've been an independent
advisor to the Reserve Bank. How many interest rate rises
before Christmas?
Speaker 3 (06:47):
And when does the first Well that's a big, a
crucial question, actually, isn't it. And we've sort of got
this divergence of view where people think that the US
economy is in a far worse position than it than
Donald Trump is perhaps presenting it is, and therefore they'll
have to print money and interest rates will go down.
And on the other side of the coin, you've got
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sovereign risk being created over the air and interstrates will
go up, so you know, being an economist on the
one hand might go up. The other hand, it might down.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
What does my Australian correspondent say about economists Connor English?
She said, if you laid every economist end to end,
you still wouldn't reach your conclusion. And I think it's
quite good. And now the other thing is that you
kind of moonlight. Are you the chair of e Sports.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
New Zealand you're the president?
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Now, you and I have always argue on this. Esports
isn't a sport and I think of all these kids
who are sitting in front of screens. I'm sounding like
a grumpy old boomer because I am one. It would
be better off outside in the fresh air and sunshine,
kicking a ball around.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Well, I think there's a big opportunity for you, Jamie,
because as you get older and you use you need
to use your brain a bit more. And I haven't
used I think you've used it, you know, once or twice.
I know you've used it. But you know, the great
thing about on you know, gaming is that you use
your brain. It's interactive and our athletes and we have
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got an e black. You know, we have got e
blacks that we send to you know, all parts of
the world these days. You know, it's really building a
lot of momentum. And we've got an Olympic movement who
wants to run esports as separate from the summer in
the winter Olympics. So you've got to get with the times, Jamie.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
I think I'll stay as a Connor English catch up.
It is a bang on quarter past twelve. We are
broadcasting from the Impact Summit. Now if you're wondering what
the Impact Summit is, look, I've even got the actual
definition of it. A gathering of emerging leaders, industry influencers,
Xander McDonald, Award partners, long term and New Supporters Award
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alumni will be talking to some of them shortly from
across Australia and New Zealand. And as I said to
Reece Roberts, I think to get an invite to this
Connor you need about several thousand acres or hectares and
minded that's a bit like the English is down in
South and now you're taking over the place. I hear.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Oh, I've got other family who are involved in that, Jamie,
and they are doing.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Good on Connor English. You're going to take a break hopefully.
Richard Green, one of the keynotes speakers this morning. We
go back to the early two thousands and the Southland
days on howkna we Radio. He's done very well for
himself and here he is here, we'll he'll be back
after the break. It was that well known welcome back
(09:37):
to the country from the Impact Summit, shadow on the park. Gee,
this this place used to be well, I suppose it
is still kind of super flash. It was around in
my Lincoln days. I think another man who was there
at Lincoln College round about the same time as me.
In fact, Richard Green, you were one of the keynotes
speakers this morning, and I got three quarters of your
(10:00):
speech after I got in from Dunedin, and I was
very informed and entertained by what you had to say.
And you and I go way back to the early
two thousands when you were agricom and I was running
Holkanui radio and you were a regular contributor. Great to
catch you again.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
For all these years, I think I was a roving agronomus.
Was roving agronomus.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
I used to talk.
Speaker 6 (10:22):
Technical things about flaring dates and in the fight flaring
dates of rye grasses and in the fights and legumes
and liam growth rates and things I don't actually talk
much about now.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Well, end of fights. I remember that when I was
at Lincoln, we were worried about the Argentinian stem weavil
and we had to get eye high end to fight
NUIs and the only problem with that grass was status. Well,
I was going to say the Argentine stem weavel didn't
like it either did the sheep and the cattle. So
you've since gone on to bigger and better things and
(10:52):
your your story or you talk all about this morning
was recognizing business and how to expand your business and
the rule of seventy two. Talk to us about that?
Speaker 6 (11:03):
Yeah, Well, I think that the theme of the summit is
actually all about strong foundations because hence the earthquake, and
how do you build a foundation that you can then
grow in times of how do you get resilience and
how can you grow away from that strong foundation? So
what I was asked to speak about is what do
I think the business fundamentals are that build What are
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the key foundations of business? And so I started by
talking about the eighty twenty rule and the Preto principle
about how there's twenty percent of the businesses generate eighty
percent of the profit in the industry, and how I've
always wanted to be one of the twenty percent, not
one of the eighty percent. And then I also talked
about the power of compounding if you keep reinvesting in
your business. And there's someone wise guy once told me
(11:47):
about the rule of seventy two, and it simply goes,
whatever return you can make out of your business, divide
that into seventy two. So if it's a ten percent return,
it'll take seven point two years is to double your
capital orir equity. And so I thought, yes, that's interesting.
But imagine if you could do fifteen percent returns and
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that would then take you five years to double your capital.
So I've been quite focused on that throughout my career
and businesses. Actually, how do I double every five years?
And it used to be relatively easy. It's got a
lot harder.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Well, it was pretty easy in the days of big
capital gains, especially for dairy farming. And I think of
all those North Islanders who came south to the God's
own farming province, Southland and to be fair at Canterbury
and they bought land at lower values, they ramped up
their production, they did very well.
Speaker 6 (12:39):
Yeah, but now it's actually the models different, isn't it.
Although we've had very good capital gain in the last
eighteen months in Canterbury, but the ten years prior to
that we had none, and so we've had to focus
on cash and that's been really positive, I think, and
it's meant that we've actually brought a lot of disciplines
into that business that we've focused on profit and we've
actually got quite a few and driven out some of
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our cost structures lower to achieve that. I think from
it a cannaary lens.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
So are you're personally invested in dairy farming yourself? No?
Speaker 4 (13:08):
I am.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
You talked about the sweet spot for the size of
your operation. You reckoned. I think you quoted six to
eight hundred cows is a good place to be? Is
that enough scale?
Speaker 6 (13:20):
Well, the question came from the floor for the context
was as you keep growing your businesses, how do you
keep reinvesting because you get to a point where the
marginal return gets lower, so your total return drops. And
I was talking about, well, you almost need to develop hubs,
so you don't grow a business beyond its sweet spot.
And I know, and I'm no expert in this, but
(13:40):
people tell me that, you know, once you get beyond
for staff and beyond one heard, things get more complex.
In a dairy farm and a consultant idea that always
tells me that six hundred eight hundred cows is the
sweet spot.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Now, you also talked about time in the business, when
to call it a day, and you talked about five
year increments of reviewing your time in a business.
Speaker 6 (14:05):
Yeah, which is a foreign concept for a lot of farmers.
But what I talked about is in business, when you
go into a business, I find it really powerful to
say I'm going to write on a bit of paper
that I'm going to exit this business in five years,
because that forces you to do the things you have
to do to create value. Now, in five years time,
you make another decision, and you may choose not to exit.
(14:27):
That's fine, but least you've made a conscious decision and
put KPIs and actions in place to drive value accreciation. Hey,
just finally for you, because we've got two celebrity guests
lining up to chat to us. The twenty twenty four
winners of the Xander McDonald Awards. What do you make
of the world at the moment? It's a messy place.
You and I are of a similar generation Lincoln College.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
So I though I'm a bit younger than you, Jambers,
Well you might, but we were both at Lincoln in
the eighties at the beginning. You were at the end,
and I flirted with Otago universe, so I might have
ten on you.
Speaker 7 (15:01):
But what.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Amongst friends? What about the state of the world.
Speaker 6 (15:06):
Yes, well, I mean, I guess what. I've got no
idea how it's going to evolve, but what I actually
know there will be opportunities in it too. There'll be
some stresses and strains, and I'm watching the oil price
and wondering when that does inflation and interest rates. But
I also know there's a good positive correlation with milk price,
with oil prices, with oil. Yeah, correct, I thought you
(15:28):
said wool.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
I talked to Connor English about I mean, could Trump
be a good thing for New Zealand? Very farmers even
help us?
Speaker 4 (15:36):
Yeah, and interesting.
Speaker 6 (15:37):
I actually just come back from the US and the
whole train round g LP one, the weight loss stroke
and what that's doing for increasing protein And you know,
I think that's a tail wind for us at the
moment too. So yes, through our challenge is no question,
but I think there's also as always, there's also some
tail wins and some bright spots too.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Okay, Richard Green, great to catch up again after all
these years. A fantastic presentation this We're going to take
a break. It's twenty six after twelve. Up next it
is Nancy crawl Shaw, New Zealand Tessa Chartres Australia. Because
the Zander McDonald Awards are all about Australasian agriculture. They're
the twenty twenty four winners. They're making a presentation this afternoon.
(16:18):
I think Nancy, for a sins is going to try
and get some of these conference attendees. Thank god, I've
got an early plane to catch out in Hagley Park.
We're just off Hagley Park here in christ Church to
do a fitness session tomorrow morning, six point thirty in
the park. I wouldn't hold your breath wandering to get
too many of that lot in there, but she's enthusiastic.
(16:38):
They're up next. Welcome back to the country from the
Impact Summit and christ Church Shadow on the Park. Xander
McDonald Awards tonight. We will have the winners on tomorrow's show.
But here are the winners because we have one winner
from Australia and one from New Zealand from twenty twenty four,
(17:00):
both dynamic, young and my everything's relative of course women
in agriculture. I want to start with you paper siss
As rock you refuse to play. Nancy gave you first
crack of the cherrias that were there are Tessa Charts.
Tell us about you and more importantly the place where
you're from, because I can't stay.
Speaker 8 (17:20):
It, thanks Jerry. Yeah, my Tessa Charters. I'm based in Denilloquin,
which is in the Southern Riverina of New South Wales.
It's actually a bit more like you're living in Victoria.
We are just north of the border. But yeah, we're
actually much closer to Melbourne than we would beat to Sydney.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
So remind us about your CV. How did you get
to one the Zanda McDonald ord on twenty twenty four.
Speaker 8 (17:44):
Yeah, so I live in quite a strong irrigation district
and i'd been working on a Federal Environmental Watering home
well funded project installing infrastructure to support environmental watering. The
direct alongside infrastructure for farming, So really getting those two
(18:05):
things to work together to deliver the priorities of the
basin plant and working in the water policy space. The
Maredaling Basin Plan is obviously a huge part of agricultural
policy and impacts all facets of agriculture significantly across the country.
So something I'm really passionate about and really enjoy working in.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Her husband and the five year old twins. Here are they?
Are you on your lonesome?
Speaker 8 (18:28):
I have managed to sneak away by myself this time. No,
they're back at home. They've just started school, the boys,
so yeah, it's pretty busy time.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Is your husband a farmer?
Speaker 8 (18:38):
He is a farmer. Yeah, still working on the work
with his family farm and mixed enterprise and all the
things that come with that. Living in the River Arena,
it's a pretty dry place and working with border prices.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Water is such a precious asset, isn't it in Australia.
I know there's been lots of arguments, almost range wars
over the years with what to do with the water
and the Darling and Murray rivers, and of course my
in laws and my daughter lives in Adelaide, so I'm
very well aware of the Murray River and what a
mighty waterway it is, but there's a lot of people
(19:14):
sucking on it on the way down. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (19:16):
It's a really challenging landscape and with a show of
being such a large country, it's a really tough one
to manage and to really make sure that everyone's getting
what they need and to share that across communities, across
the environment, across agriculture and really support all those different
uses for all water used to get the most that
they can. It is a tough balance and it is
(19:39):
so important to everyone. It is quite a motive topic.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Are you going to get out of bed at Sparrow's
Fat tomorrow to do Nancy's fitness regime in Hagley Park?
Speaker 8 (19:47):
It's not for me.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
I haven't found anyone who wants to do it a
Tessa chart. Its lovely to chat and I look forward
to your presentation this afternoon. We might grab Nancy here
spends by memory because it's just good to meet these
people in person after chatting to them over a number
of years. In your case, Nancy, but you you share
your life or do you still share your life between
(20:10):
Australia and New Zealand.
Speaker 9 (20:12):
Yes they do.
Speaker 7 (20:12):
So I go between Australian New Zealand near every month,
but I'm based in New Zealand, so Northern Hooks Bay.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Yeah, and from a good farming family. Your brother Patrick,
he was a finalist in the Young Farmer of the
Year the year we had Gabrielle and there was a
great story about him getting helicopptered out basically so he
could compete.
Speaker 7 (20:32):
Yes, the helicopter was a backup option. They very nearly
needed it, but thankfully he was able to get there
that day and that was their first day off farm
to compete in that regional final the day they got
out after the cyclone.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
So you're involved with Angus spief yes black Gold. Yes, yeah, exactly.
So tell us what you do between Australia and New Zealand.
Speaker 7 (20:52):
So my role was the Extinction manager for Angus Australia.
So what that is running educational and youth events to
our members. So with youth events we'd be running future
leaders programs. We do practical hands on things on farm
as well as doing conferences and beef cal assessment schools.
And then in terms of the membership side, we're looking
(21:13):
at how can we upscal our members so that all
the tools we have available they can get the most
out of to make their beef business as profitable as
it can be.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Beef seems to have, of all the AG sectors at
the moment, almost the best medium term outlook. There seems
to be no end in sight. Or am I being
too optimistic for these really good prices?
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Now?
Speaker 7 (21:32):
I think we keep the optimism up. I'll be catching
up with Simon Quilty next month, so I hope you'll
be able to get the updates from him to see
where we're at.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Okay, I've got to take a break. Looking forward to
you too. Your presentation this afternoon. That's Nancy crawl Shore
along with Tessa Chartress. Remember if you want, because what
if someone's listening in christ Church and they want to
meet you, Can they join your fitness class tomorrow at
six point thirty Because I'm worried you're going to be
out there by yourself.
Speaker 7 (21:57):
Oh if I'm out your find myself, it won't worry
me too much.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Doug Avery's just wandered in here. He turned up last.
Speaker 7 (22:02):
Year, So go Doug. And I don't know how I
got the job again. I thought I pushed him hard
up that I'll be sacked, but unfortunately I got the
call up again.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Oh he's a fit man. We'll chat to him in
a moment. Thank you very much, Nancy, lovely to meet
in person. We're going to take a break on the
other side of it. By the way, it is twenty
six away from one. We're going to do rural news.
Michelle's made her way. I can't believe we've let her
out of the studio in Dunedin, but here she is.
She's doing a great job along with Matt from our
Christchurch Tech. Here I will have rural news. Mark Kelly
(22:33):
running the ship out of Auckland HQ the Mothership before
the end of the hour, Doctor Victoria Hatton, chief executive
of Food HQ Innovation. She's a futurist. What does the
future hold for us? Doug Avery, the resilient farmer and
if I can squeeze him and I'll probably have to
dump them till tomorrow's show, but I will get him
at one day this week. Phil Duncan on the weather
(23:01):
Welcome back to the Country, Impact Summer Day one day
two tomorrow we'll have the winners of the Zander McDonald Awards.
On tomorrow's show. Doug Avery, the old resilient Farmer, is
fizziting at the Bung for his workout tomorrow morning at
Hagley Park. I'll believe it when I see it, but anyhow,
he'll be on shortly, along with Futurist food futurist doctor
(23:23):
Victoria Hatton. But here's Michelle Watt with the latest and
Rural News, the.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Country's world news with cub Cadet, New Zealand's leading right
on lawn Bower brand visit steel for dot. Cot In
said for your locals, Dougist.
Speaker 10 (23:38):
Thanks Jamie, and actually let me out of the studio
with you. I'm not down in, Dnedin.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Well, that's what's your job is down there to be fair,
although we are letting you off the chain again for
field days.
Speaker 10 (23:49):
That's right, I'm allowed out in public. This is a
bit scary, isn't it. Does that mean the training wheels
have come off and I finally to meet people because
I'm not embarrassing anymore.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Well, let's see what you come up with the rural
news again. Rural News.
Speaker 10 (24:02):
More than nine hundred growers, employers, service providers and industry
stakeholders are expected to gather in Wellington in July for
the twenty twenty six New Zealand Horticultural Conference. So tickets
an hour sal for this two day event, which is
hosted by Heart New Zealand at the Tarkena, Wellington Convention
and Exhibition Center on the twenty eighth and twenty ninth
of July. So lots of things coming up in the
(24:22):
next couple of months, Jamie.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Yeah, and just a text through because I haven't got
the text machine in front of me. But Lindy Nelson
Agri Women's Development Trusts great to hear from and say
for farms is say for farms? Yeah, she'll tell me
off if I got it wrong. How wonderful are those
two Xander McDonald women. And what a lineup for tonight's finalists.
And I've met one of the finalists in person, even
though I've chatted to her, Chloe. What's Chloe's name again?
(24:47):
Oh now she's got a double banger name. Some well
come back to Harris Butcher Harries yet and she's she's
been on country Calendar. She is a real hard case.
So a great field as well. But you're right, lind
Nancy crawl Shaw, Tessa Chartress. Very very impressive women. Right,
Let's do sport with Mark Kelly.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Sports on the Country with AFCO business.
Speaker 11 (25:12):
Well done, Thank you Jamie. A penalty shootout has been
required to find the last quarter finalists in Football's FA Cup.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
We stam.
Speaker 11 (25:20):
They won five to three after the scores finished it
two all after extra time. They'll host Leeds on April five.
Back to christ Church.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Thank you Mark. Well. Doctor Victoria Hatton has just fronted up,
which means the resilient farm has been pushed down them. No, no, no, no,
you're still on. But doctor Victoria's next. I know I
can rely on you, Doug. You just sit down and
have arrest Doug Avery before the end of the hour.
But up next, doctor Victoria Hatton, a futurist focused on
building across the food innovation ecosystem. I've got no idea
(25:53):
what that means, but Victoria will tell us, and I'm
mighte ask her, as a futurist, how the future looks
for the world. That's up next on the Country, coming
to you from the Impact Summit here in christ Church,
seventeen away from one Happy Birthday. Jeff. He's Southland farmer,
(26:15):
another dairy farming friend of mine from down the neck
of the woods has texted me and said, Richard Green
was great and I really would love to bottle his
speech from this morning about how to progress and more
importantly grow your business, because he was very, very good. Well,
this is exciting for me to meet a face to
(26:35):
face doctor Victoria Hatton, chief executive of Food HQ Innovation
and PALMEI North. You're a futurist. What does the future
hold for us? Victoria?
Speaker 9 (26:46):
Well, that's a really fascinating question because the only person
that's talked about the future here has been Helia. Oh sorry,
he was on just before, just before. So the few
what we know about the future is it won't be
the same as today. Okay. There are so many disruptions
heading our way, whether it's climate change, whether it's geopolitical disruption,
(27:10):
whether it's the trade corridors, whether it's like fuel availability,
you know, to get our ships off shore and get
our product.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
We're seeing all of that at the moment, all of
it as a futurist think of President Trump and what
he's up to at the moment.
Speaker 9 (27:24):
So the one thing about President Trump, you won't live forever. Okay,
So we.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Know that but well, they replace them. I mean they
might replace like for like, they might check I don't
know Jdvans or someone in there.
Speaker 9 (27:37):
So one of the things that we would urge is
that to not put all our eggs in one basket.
So I wrote an article recently about resilience and deliberate resilience.
So does it really matter what Trump does if we've
got secure markets elsewhere, and if we're actually able to
(28:00):
have confidence in the product that we're creating to go
into new varied markets that we're not actually worried about.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
What yeh, But the oil comes from that part of
the world. Therein lies the problem. Plus we actually seen
a whole lot of stuff up through that water channel
as well, three or four billion dollars worth can't get
through at the moment. I know there are other ways
of getting it there, but they're much more expensive.
Speaker 9 (28:23):
So renewables. Okay, we have to actually loosen our reliance
on oil coming from the Middle East, So why not
invest in our infrastructure at home in terms of putting
up product through that corridor. The six hundred million people
that live within six hours of Singapore, Actually, why not
(28:44):
think about that market as well? You know, actually closer
to home. Australia's another future market that we should be
investing in, this concept of partnership and deeply understanding our
consumer and what product that they want from us in
the future and thinking quite differently about relations and the.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Last government, the labor Laid government Undernder are doing more laterly.
Chris Hipkins tried to get us going down the renewable
energy track with the electric cars. It didn't really work
or we didn't buy into it. We should we have?
Speaker 9 (29:16):
We definitely should. We're thinking about confidently transitioning into a
future that we can control ourselves, and the only way
that we can do that is by having that infrastructure
at home. And it's not necessarily having an electric infrastructure
that allows you to charge on the go, is actually
about their science behind the batteries that allow them to
(29:39):
last longer. We definitely need to be thinking renewables.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Have you ever sit down and had a capital with
Sean Jones. I think you'd have an interesting.
Speaker 9 (29:46):
Conversation, would be quite fascinating. But we actually have to
think about what that future is and we can't rely
on resources being shipped into New Zealand or rely on
resources that are potentially damaging to our environment. We need
to move into the future.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Well, that's energy and trade. Well let's talk about food.
You're a food futurist as well. Will there always be
a future for our protein in years to come? And
I've often wondered about this. Will people want to have
dinner that is the result of an animal making the
ultimate sacrifice? I'm quite happy to do so, Victoria, because
(30:27):
I'm a boomer and a carnivore, and I don't think
I'm going to change at the stage. Dugs the same,
But I'm talking about my kids, my grandkids.
Speaker 9 (30:35):
So I think that meat and milk will always have
a place in our diet. I think the nutrient density
of both of those products means that we and we
require them for our human development, for our muscle growth,
for our aging capability. How we eat them and how
they show upon our plate will be different. So whether
(30:56):
it's the transition from a three hundred gram steak to
a fifty to eighty gram steak, because we're considered.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
But where's that hang on? Where's the fun and an
eighty gram stake? Sorry, you might be a futurist, but
you're a bit of a killed joy.
Speaker 9 (31:10):
But actually an eighty gram steak that has this satiety
that a three hundred grand piece of meat has.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
What that redmain Sorry it's academics. What does that mean?
Speaker 9 (31:20):
It means that you're enjoying it just as much, and
you get just as much pleasure from a smaller piece
of meat as you do from a larger piece of meat.
And if you consider then the weight loss drugs that
GLP ones of the world.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Well, and sorry, Richard Green mentioned that. So that is
a real opportunity.
Speaker 9 (31:37):
Isn't it a massive opportunity? But they're wanting a sixty
to seventy grand piece of meat on their plate. We
don't breed for that currently. And it's not the case
of taking an animal and just chopping up the steak
into smaller portions, because each of those pieces of meat
is bred for that complete satisfaction. So we need to
breed for smaller piece of meat.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
So I need to get used to when there's lamb right,
and that's my absolute favorite.
Speaker 9 (32:01):
I'm allowed one, you're allowed one. No, But in all honesty,
in ten fifteen years time, we may not even want
a lamreck. We might want a scoop of red meat
protein powder. When we're heading to the gym, or we
might want a red meat supplement in a tablet form
that allows us to have that rich nutrient hit in
(32:26):
a smaller dose.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Yeah, I can get all that now. Talking about going
to the gym, are you going to brave the early
morning start? And do you look like an athletic sort
of person? Are you going to do the fitness regime
across the road at Hagley Park tomorrow morning?
Speaker 9 (32:40):
I might have forgotten to bring my training shoes.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Hey, Victoria you are I've just lost my screen. Your
title is that you're the chief Executive of Food Innovation HQ.
Did I get that round the right? HQ and Innovation? We'll,
I've just lost my screen. I need to log in again. Hey,
great to meet you in person. We must stay and
touch your good talent, even though I don't like your
future with eighty grams with the meat. But I am
(33:05):
not the future Either's that next guess the old resilient farmer.
He's on the way out as well. It's this young
man here, Matt at ten and Michelle still got a
few years left. Yes, it's this young man here. But
I got the feeling by how much morning tea He
scoffed that he ain't going to be into an eighty
gram steak, are you, Matt, No, he's But was.
Speaker 9 (33:28):
There any protein at morning tea?
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Oh no he didn't. You were just eating cakes. He
hasn't finished it yet. Anyhow, we're going to take a break.
We're going to wrap the show from christ Church with
Doug Avery the Resilient Farmer, wrapping the country from the
Impact Summit. Dug Avery, the Resilient Farmer. Great to catch
(33:50):
up again, wor old mates. Remember that year we traveled
around the country did the field Day's road Show together.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
Yeah, that was a great, hilarious Yeah it was. Now.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
I was looking at your face when Doctor Victoria was
talking about the eighty gram eighty grand steaks. You look
like someone to cut your throat.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Yeah, you know we're into a bit more than that.
Speaker 12 (34:09):
Pretty pretty keen on our on quality food, Jamie, and
I think very lucky that I can still join in
Hagley Park tomorrow morning and make a bit of a
fool of myself. But I'm still reasonably fit, So that's cool.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Good on you.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
That's all those steaks have eaten all over the years, exactly.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
You and Nancy might be the only ones over there
tomorrow morning.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
But good luck with that.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
You've come down from Marlborough. I know your sun phrases
running the outfit at the moment, but is Marlborough looking good?
Speaker 12 (34:34):
Yeah, Marlwi's great. It's been it's been a challenging season.
We had a terrible autumn last year, a brilliant winter
and then the spring peeded out so he ended up
getting a bit dry, and then we've had rain, and
of course the Lucien just grows and takes off. So
it's been fabulous, absolutely fabulous, and such an awesome thing
to be back back in the room here. I always
(34:56):
refer to this kind of thing as the incubator of
the future.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
There's so much excitement.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
And there's so many young, well compared to us, young
dynamic people, and they're lucky. You talk to those people
like Nancy and Tessa, you know, the future of agriculture
is good. Are you still actively engaged on the speaking scene?
Do you still do it?
Speaker 10 (35:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (35:17):
I've got a bit coming up. I've got an invitation
to talk to the young horticulturess a year competition, and
Nelson and got a gig at Lincoln University shortly with
future leaders, and they've got a tennis for Farming Day.
And yeah, last year I was in the States at
an inaugural resilience thing at Oregon State University in Salem.
(35:41):
That was a pretty big event for me. And I
do one on past as while I was up there,
And yeah, not a lot these days, but I love
it still.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
I still.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
I've got thirty seconds left. We've talked a bit about
Trump is the genius or is he completely bonkers?
Speaker 4 (35:54):
Oh, it's kind of instant, you know.
Speaker 12 (35:56):
Like I was in the States for a month, and
there are people over there that love him, and they're
a lot of people that hate him. I've got somebody
coming to stay with him next week who hates him.
He polarizes people. And I don't think there's anyone who
agrees with everything he does.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
No, I wouldn't. Well, I don't agree with everything he does.
But anyhow, we'll see how quickly he can finish things
in the Middle East. Let's hope it's sooner rather than later. Right,
that's us done and dusted. We'll catch it back tomorrow
from Dunedin with the winners of tonight's awards.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
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