May 19, 2025 • 36 mins
Jamie Mackay talks to Richard McIntyre, Mark de Lautour, Farmer Tom Martin, Kate Acland, and Corina Jordan.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Catch all the latest from the land. It's the Country
Podcast with Jamie McKay thanks to Brent starkest of the
leading agriculture brands.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
And farmer Tom Martin. Are we in business? Okay? Sorry
about that? Have I just wasted all my words? I
have wasted all my words? If you've just joined me,
hasn't been a great week for me? Anyhow? Shall I
start that again? Starting? Michelle says, start all that again?
(00:36):
This is Dwight yoakum right, take two? Sorry about that
(00:58):
New Zealand. Someone had left the button on in the
wrong place in the studio. Blame Michelle. It was probably
my fault. Hey on the show today. In fact, I'm
going to go there right now because I've just wasted
five minutes that you didn't hear Richard McIntyre chief not
chief executive.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
He is.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Sorry you've heard all that. You're one of the few
people who have heard what I actually said and no
one else said it. But you get you know, sometimes
shit happens, Richard.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Hey, Jamie, I'm just delighted that you're feeling as fight
as I am as to try to navigate the money
farm through Wellington's baking building.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Yeah. Well, look I've got my best mate and he's
dying and it's killing me, and it's just my brain's
a bit of a mush, to be perfectly honest, but
I'm battling on because I'm a professional. I'd like to think. So, Hey,
so we're going to talk to you. I'm going to
talk to Kate Acklin from Beef and Lamb, New Zealand,
going to talk to Mark Delatour from Open Country Dairy
(02:02):
last GDT auction of the season tonight farmer Tom Martin.
I caught up with them earlier this morning in the
UK and if I get time. Karina Jordan, chief executive
of Fish and Game, New Zealand, responding to a column
on ducks by doctor Jaqueline Routh and Richard by way
of introduction, did you realize that today is World to
(02:23):
B Day?
Speaker 5 (02:25):
No, I didn't. I didn't be the fantastic insect. And
you know, we obviously o a feb to them in
terms of what we can achieve as farmers.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
So that they've got a day.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
I suppose see.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I thought they were responsible. I'd heard a stat somewhere
that they were responsible for sixty to seventy percent of
the world's food production, but they're not. Apparently that is
a fallacy. They're responsible for approximately thirty to thirty five
percent of the world's food crops because they depend on
bee pollination, but some crops like wheat, rice, call on
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are not insect pollinated, So someone's overstated the contribution of bees.
Now you're at the beehive today. That's a nice segue,
isn't it. I'm getting back on the game. You're at
the bee hive today to plead the case for farmers
to be able to use key we saver to get
their foot on the farming ladder. It seems sensible. If
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you can buy a house, why can't you buy a farm?
Speaker 5 (03:24):
Oh look exactly, Jamie. This to me is just an
absolute no brainer. You know, I remember two years ago
when FINS put together their election manifesto. I thought, Hell,
this is a really easy win for the government. It
doesn't cost them anything. It encourages investment and progression within
the egg sector, and it also levels the playing field
with rural employees who you can't currently purchase the house
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because they're in a service sentence and they're going to
live in it. And you know, yeah, I thought this
would be a really easy win. But it hasn't been
announced yet. You know, the government promised it leading into
the election and then it still hasn't happened.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah, Okay, it still hasn't happened. But they're in favor
of it, aren't they. We talked about SU's Redmain's Bill.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Right, Yeah, looks Redmain is a great advocate for this.
She's a great, great friend of the farming sector. And
she's put this together as a private member's bill and
so it's in the biscuit tin and it's got a
chance to be drawn out. But along with seventy others,
you know, when the government promised to do this, we're
expecting them to actually make this actual government policy, as
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opposed to having it put into the best biscuits and
that may get drawn out, and we're still expecting that
to happen. You know, Sue's Redman's Bill is a great one,
and we're hoping that the government will actually make that
their own policy and it go forwards from them here
I say it.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
I think Mike Hoskin I have mentioned this this morning
on z B. Maybe mister Luxeon will be on the
show today. Needs to be a bit more like Trump
and a good way, not a bad way. I mean, Trump,
despite all his failings, at least has got on and
did what he said he was going to do.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
Yeh. Look and Josh, that's all we actually ask for
from politicians, you know, we want them to follow through
on their promises. We elect them based on their promises.
They need to follow through on them.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
While I've got you, and while you're in Wellington, how
are you getting on with the banking inquiry? Because that's
your baby as well.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Look it is.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
It's something I'm incredibly passionate about. And from the feedback
that we're getting from farmers, so are they. Look the
reports being written at the moment. We're really looking forward
to seeing it when it does, Connet, and then the
really key thing for us is going to be making
sure that the recommendations are followed through.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
All right, Richard, I better go because I've run myself
out of time due to a false start. Sorry about that.
It's just the way. That's just life at the moment.
That anyhow, Hey, thanks and good luck you guys at
Federated Farmers, and I mean this and all sincerity, are
doing a good job going into bat for farmers.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
Hey, no, we're family, all great to talk as always.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yep, got on yet there we go. Richard McIntyre, Dairy chair.
He'll be interested, no doubt. And that last global trade
auction which is happy for the season, of course, which
is happening tonight. We're going to have a look at
that with Mark Delatour, the chief executive of Open Country Dairy.
(06:12):
Farmer Tom Martin caught up with them earlier this morning
in the UK. Those guys are facing the driest spring
in nearly a century. Tough times in the UK, and
you couple that up with the government not backing down
on the inheritance tax. Stupid green parties proposing one of
those here as well. It would just kill it would
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kill the productive sector. Karina Jordan, chief executive of Fish
and Game New Zealand, on responding to doctor Jack willn
Rowith's column on ducks. It's all on the country up
next though, we're going to talk dairy with Mark Delatour,
out of Open Country Dairy. I think he's down on
them the cargo. We'll find out next. On the country.
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Here's a bloke I always enjoy catching up with at
field days because I enjoy this company. But perhaps more importantly,
Mark de Latour, chief executive of Open Country Cheese, you
give me a block of cheese. There would only be
one thing better than be given a block of cheese
at field days, and that would be to be given
a block of butter.
Speaker 6 (07:32):
Good afternoon, Jamie, Well well played, Well played there. We're
just going to miss the field days this year with
our with our butter plant will be sort of turning
that on around August, but certainly our supplies we'll get
their allocation of butter, just like the cheese, and I
see with butter prices in the Zealand like it is
now that that timing is going to be perfect.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Let's get back before field Days to what's going to
happen tonight. We've got a Global Dairy Trade auction, our
final one for this stary season. I put it to
you that we can't keep defying gravity. There must be
a leveling off or a drop in the GDT or
am I just being a bit pessimistic there.
Speaker 6 (08:14):
I think you're right, Jane, having you know leveling off
would be would probably be good. I think most people
would be quite happy without. What we don't want is
a correction. Right now, there's nothing in the market to
suggest a correction. So I'm not jumping at shadows, but
you know, I think at these sort of levels, everyone
does get a little bit nervous and saying, let's let's
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hold on to this. So, you know, our forecast is
a slight decline for the for the next few months.
But we still got to our first two periods of
the new season, you know, right up there towards mid
ten dollars forecast. So I don't think it's going to
be going to do anything drastic, but you know, it
is likely we'll see some softening in the next few months.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Unlike Fonterra, who pays a season wide average, you guys
split your payments into four seasons, or into four segments.
The midpoint on period four, and that is February through
to May, is a whopping ten dollars and seventy cents,
which is wonderful. But when you average that out across
your payments for p one, two and three, what's the
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season average for open country compared to Fonterra. If Fonterra
indeed meets its ten dollars forecast.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
Yeah, I think across our milk pool, Jamie, you you've
caught me, but I think it's around about ten oh
seven if we hit that midpoint for the period four
at ten seventy, and I'm sure we'll do that, so
I think it'll be around that ten oh seven. Noting that, Jamie,
there are a lot of differences for each farm. Each
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individual farm has its own milk curve and regionally when
they start milking and finished milking. Obviously South lond Vers
work at a every every farm slightly different because of
that timing. But Millpool, I think it's about ten oh seven.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Are you surprised that the milk volumes have increased year
on year, bearing in mind how dry it was in
parts and key parts of the North Island dairy regions Waikato, Taraanaki.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
Yeah, absolutely, And of course Southland had a terrible start,
you know, with the spring with the flooding, so you
know that they've been chasing their tail all year down
south and I'm actually talking to you from in Vicago, Jamie,
so and just with the team down here and Southland
at the stage of this late part of the season
is actually three now three percent up year on year
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for us. So they had a tough start and but
have had a really good finish to the season Waikato
want to know, both of them around four to five
percent up year. But I guess even with the dry weather, Jamie,
when the milk price is strong, farmers can afford to
feed out and support that. So everyone's been chasing good
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volumes for these prices.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Now the pearol south and farmers got a real kicking
in the spring period, worse spring on record, but the
payback has been Mother nature has been pretty kind in
the autumn. And of course, because of the way you
split your payments, the further south you are, the probably
the better you fare at open country in a year
where the prices continue to go up throughout the season
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like this season.
Speaker 6 (11:21):
Yeah, that's right. I mean, that's just the way it is.
I mean, we do offer a couple of different payment models,
so people can choose to go with a curve very
similar to fonterras if they want, or you can go
with the full payment model. So we do give lots
of choice even when you're when you're a supplier, so
people can change from season to season on their payment system.
(11:45):
But yep, for that's right. What I will say, Jamie is,
of course, this next milk season is going to start
it at a at a strong number, so you know
the curve might look quite different. So very much a
case of horses for courses for each farmer, and we
we sit down with each of those farmers and work
out what probably is going to work best for them.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
One more to throw at you, and that is to
be fair to you. I think it was you and
Cameron Bagrie both flew this kite at about the same time.
The prospect of more dairy conversions in the coming season,
is it going to come to fruition?
Speaker 6 (12:18):
Yeah, I'm certain of there's I mean, the country needs it, Jamie.
Let's be honest, We've got to do more of what
we're good at. So you know, I guess capitalists and
environmentalists alike have to acknowledge that milk out of New
Zealand is the most efficient food product around in the
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world right now. So we need more money for our
country's balance sheet, and certainly the world needs more low
carbon efficient milk so that we naturally do that. We
don't need to change anything. We naturally do that. So
let's take advantage of it. So especially you know the
guys down here in Southland with their scale and efficiency.
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They do a great job. So it's been good to
spend a couple of days with some farmers down here.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Mark Delatour, you enjoy the rest of your day in
God's own farming province. I'll see you at Field Days.
Speaker 6 (13:10):
Thanks very much, Jamie. Just a quick shout out to
the team down here, Jamie if I can. We've got
Miles Herdman, who most of the people down in the
South and here will know Miles. He's one of the originals.
We call him the Originals. I think he's employee number
three for Open Country and he's retiring at the end
of this month. So we're down here. We've got Cody
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and Melissa who have joined the team for the last
six months and there they're going to take over from Miles,
who's very much enjoying the fact that two people are
going to take over where he left off. So that's
just a quick shout out to Miles to say, yeah,
thank you for everything he's done for open Country and
also the industry down here in Southland.
Speaker 7 (13:50):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Bit of a legend. Good on you. Thanks for your time.
See you at Field Days.
Speaker 7 (13:53):
Jet It.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Thank you Mark. Excuse me, okay, right, up next. Earlier
this morning, I caught up their UK correspondent because it's
like one point thirty in the morning over their farmer
Tom Martin. They're getting a kicking. The farmers are from
the government with the inheritance tax, and if that's not
bad enough, they're also getting a bit of a beating
from mother nature. The driest spring in nearly a century
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in some parts of the UK. Kate Ackland will join
us before the end of the our chair of Beef
and lamb New Zealand and talking about chiefs or bosses,
chief executive, but not for much longer of fish and
game end z. She's moving on to greener pastures or
less green pastures. I don't know. Corina Jordan responding to
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what doctor Jaquelin Roweth had to say last week on
this show about ducks. It's all on the country and
it's all brought to you by brand He's a UK
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farming correspondent, goes by the moniker of farmer Tom Martin. Tom,
you're farming about one hundred k's north of London and
I'm reading from the BBC no less a source that
you are suffering your driest spring in nearly a century.
But don't panic too much because winm Moreton's coming.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
That's right. Well, just to the east of London is
the driest point in the United Kingdom, and yeah, we've
had some we've had some very very dry weather. We
get the d word out there, Jamie, the drought word
very quickly. You know, there are people in other parts
of the world, certainly across much of Australia and you
know the US mainland who would laugh at us for
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our use of the word drought. But we're a maritime climate.
We're used to pretty regular rainfall and you know, we've
not had any decent rainfall probably for kind of a
good three months. So yeah, we're dry. We're dry, but
I have to say we're drys here in the east.
But we're on clay ground where we are, and that's
just helping us out a little bit. But there are
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some people there's you know, people with their sugar beat
coming up, some of the spring cropping really struggling, and
then other people just delaying some planting as well. So
it's it is a bit of a tough time. We've
got our beans flowering at the moment and they'll be
dropping flowers, so dropping yield and other people losing yield
as it stays dry day by day. Yes, it's a
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bit of a challenge. We still get a pretty heavy
jew each morning, so there's a little bit of moisture there,
but we weren't there to harvest. I don't think is.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
There any sign of the government backing down on this
very controversial inheritance text, which is going to be very
very difficult for farm succession. We've got a half wooded
party here in New Zealand, Tom called the Greens who
have come up with a similar proposal and their shadow budget.
Not that they're ever going to get anywhere near the
Treasury benches. Heaven help us if they do. But your
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lot are in there. They're threatening to do this any
back down.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
I mean they are, I tell you what they are.
There's been no signs of a of a background. They've
certainly kind of doubled down on their commitment. It's it's
it's completely indefensible. I can't I can't see the justification
in the various different things they've done. They've they're they're
kind of bringing in compulsory purchase powers there. They've they've
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they've canned are sustainable farming incentive and as I say,
the inheritance tax which they're looking to remove the or
kind of reduce the reductions for for land. It's it's
just ill thought through and gosh, besides all the other
things that there are people there reports of people refusing
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cancer treatment uh and saying, look, I'm just planning not
to be alive by next April or six, which I
think is when the day it comes in. It's it's
it's an absolute shocker on all levels. But there doesn't
seem to be it doesn't seem to be any back down.
There's quite a lot of pressure at the moment from
from some MPs to delay it by a year, and
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there's also a bit of a call to say, you know,
to give exemptions to older farmers. You know, there is
a rule in the UK that you can that you
can make a gift and if you live seven years
there's a you know, then then then you don't pay
the full tax. But gosh, you know, Jamie, I don't
know if I'm gonna left seven years. You know, it's
you're taxed on bad luck. So it's it's bad legislation,
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but there's certainly not don't even look to be, you know,
possibly thinking about moving at the moment.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Let's just finish quickly on the BBC. I started the
by reporting that the BBC was reporting on the dry
spring and nearly a century. The BBC have also secked
Gary Lineker from hosting your football coverage. And I was
going to talk to you about that, but you don't
know anything about football. You're a rugby man. Are you
excited about the Lions heading to Australia. That would be
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a good winter trip for you, Tom, well, summer trip
it would be for you, yes, of course.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Yeah, it'll be a summer trip for me. So it
it'd be harvest time, so that will be a no
for me, but it would be. Yeah, it's something I'm
really looking forward to for ther Pountain Saints, that's my
local team as part of the Lion's lineup, so that's
that's pretty exciting. But yeah, I think it's going to
be a great tour, you know, really strong team. I
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hope there's a great Australian team to to play them
as well. We have some fantastic running rugby. And as
for Garylnica, I mean he's he's he's made a few
kind of faux pas in terms of his social media
tweets and messages in the past, and this is just
another one that's bitten him in. And perhaps perhaps he's
just gone on too long and shot his mouth off
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a little bit too much. But who knows, I'm sure
do well. He's always had a reputations that as the
kind of good guy in football. Unfortunately, I just at
the end of a fantastic career. It's just sowed by,
you know, by some pretty loose social media posts.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Good luck to your Northampton signs up against Border I
think in that European Final and did you got you
guys tapped up Jordi Barrett's Leinster team, didn't you?
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Oh? Tremendous games, so many commentations said at the game
of their lives. It was an amazing game and Leinster
a phenomenal team. Thirteen of the of the Irish starting
fifteen or is it twelve Irish studying fifteen play for Leinster.
Absolutely phenomenal. Two teams just went at each other for
eighty minutes in the stadium there in Dublin. Phenomenal atmosphere,
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fanned all together, drinking and having a great time afterwards.
Tremendous game of rugby and for me as a Saints fan,
the right result.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Good man, Hey farmer Tom Martin. I hope you get
some rain just north of London there. We'll check to
you again next month.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Yeah, caught up with them a wee bit earlier this
morning you were listening to the Country. I'm Jamie McKay.
Now that I finally got you to here. Before the
end of the hour, We've got Kate Ackland from Beef
and Lamb, New Zealand, just back from a trade trip.
I suppose I can call it that a trip of
meetings in the UK, EU and the US and Karina Jordan,
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chief executive of Fishing Game New Zealand. Someone's texted and
the said Corina Jordan is a great Taranaki girl. She
went to Spotswood College in New Plymouth. Thank you for that, Texter.
Up next rural news, sports news. Somewhere I will find it.
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I'm gonna have to be better tomorrow. I might get
the sack.
Speaker 8 (21:54):
See, we ain't got the hide except for that one,
my love.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
It's more soon.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
It's the time that us been long.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
See twenty two away from one. You're with the country, right,
She's wandered in here with Rural News. Let's see what
she's got. I think she's got the winner. Michelle Watt
of yesterday's final double pass to field Days.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
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dot In said for your locals, Douggist.
Speaker 8 (22:33):
Yeah, Jamie, I have the final winner of that double
field Day's pass right here. Nigel Dearthur's an avocado from
Katti Kutti, he messaged. And this is randomly chosen, by
the way, but as missions he had loved your show.
I thought that was kind of nice.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
You're lying, you're telling porcy pies there, Michelle.
Speaker 8 (22:49):
I have nothing to do with packing.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
This, I said. I said, flattery gets you everywhere. Nigel
and Caddy Caddy, so I said, give Nigel the double pass.
So there you go. But normal, actually normally they're always
picked in Auckland. It's beyond our control. But yesterday for
some reason we got to pick it and Nigel, I'll
give you half an hour to stop that flattery. Well done.
Speaker 8 (23:10):
So what else you got in Rural Also in Rural News,
another horticultural type story going from avocado growers to horticulture.
Lydia Goodman has won the Central Otago twenty twenty five
Young Grower regional title. Goodman, who's from Cromwell, is the
assistant orchard manager at Central Orchard Management and packing manager
at Central Pack. She pictured her skills against four fellow
contestants to take the title at Cromwell on Friday and
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we'll now go on to compete against six other regional
winners and the Young Girl of the Year final competition
in christ Church in September. So congratulations to Lydia.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Sports with AFCO. Visit them online at AFCO dot co
dot NZ.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
All blackslock Sam Darius planning to play his first game
of footy for the year in late July. A shoulder
injury has signed lined him for the entire Blues campaign.
Darry's targeting at Canterbury pre season e NPC game before
their Round one match after chatting to a specialist. Meanwhile,
the Blues have announced teammate Ricky Ricatelli is heading to
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France at the end of the season. Arthur Rash Stadium
venue for the US Tennis Open. The center court, of course,
is to undergo an expansion as a part of a
one point three five billion dollar renovation at Flushing Meadows.
The proposed works being described as the largest single investment
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in the tournament's history. Capacity will increase by about two
thousand seats to nearly twenty six thousand. Have you ever
been to the US Tennis Open, Michelle?
Speaker 3 (24:42):
No?
Speaker 8 (24:42):
I have? Are you excited for?
Speaker 3 (24:44):
No?
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Well, not for the poor buggers who are in the bleachers,
because honestly, I've been lucky enough to go to Wimbledon,
which is the number one tennis toaurnam in my mind anyhow.
But at Arthur ash Stadium, Center Court at the US
Tennis Open, if you're sitting up the top, you're watching
a couple of vents hitting with toothpicks. That's a huge stadium.
But anyhow, great, great atmosphere. Looking forward to that one.
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Looking forward to the French Open coming up Alcarez versus Sinner.
The young guns of world tennis are taking over up next.
Kate Ackland out of Beef and Lambin's. The last time
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we chatted to Kate Ackland's chair of Beef and Lamb
New Zealand, she was in Europe and Brussels, no less
she's made away home via the US where she's been
or was meeting with some US cattlemen. Kate, good afternoon,
Welcome to the country from Wellington. Where you're doing around
the meetings today? Did you have to wear a ten
gallon hat into your meeting in Texas?
Speaker 9 (25:54):
Hi, Jamie, No, I didn't, but they did have very
cool hatholders at the door of their boardrooms, so I
thought that was quite good.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Now, that was just an assumption from me that the
meeting with the cattleman was in Texas, was it.
Speaker 9 (26:06):
No?
Speaker 7 (26:07):
No, no, I was in Washington BUFU with the Cattleman's Association
and you know, their Meat Industry Association and their next
meeting Exported Federation.
Speaker 9 (26:15):
So really good round of meetings, just trying to cement
those strong relationships we've got over there.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Now, you were saying to me that over there what
kind of viewed as the good guys.
Speaker 9 (26:26):
Yeah, Look, we are very much viewed as one of
the good guys. I mean what I got an understanding
of is it's very much in America first strategy in everything,
and so it's all about how can our exports to
America help America do better? And we're in a really
good position because we've send a lot of lean beef
trim there that actually adds value to the US producers
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sati or off cuts, So you know they do need
to import that lean beef trim, and you know they
do see us as a good guy.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Sheep and beef farmers all aside have had a really
good season, no other way to describe it. Beef is
at record prices. It's been good all year. Lamb far
exceeded expectations as to what we might get for it.
Do you see that continuing into twenty five twenty six.
Speaker 9 (27:17):
Look, it has been a good season and you know
we're probably to be frank needed to continue and build
from here into twenty five twenty six. But you know
there is a global shortage of protein in Australia, EU,
UK all have sheep numbers continuing to drop like they
are in New Zealand. We know the US beef heard
at seventy year low, So I think that global shortage
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of protein will continue to see good outcomes for US
on farm.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Sheep and beef farmers have voted unsurprisingly to approve beef
and LAMB New Zealand signing an operational agreement between the
ag sector and the government on foot and mouth disease
readiness and response. You got an overwhelming result ninety six
percent voting in support of it. But I would put
it to you, Kate, that turkeys don't vote for an
early Christmas. You'd have to have rocks in your head
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not to vote to do something to prevent foot and
mouth getting into this country.
Speaker 9 (28:13):
Look, we were really pleased to get that strong support,
and you know it was quite a technical. It was
quite a technical as you thought. It was really great
that we had over two thousand farmers sort of read
and understand it and vote on it. You know, it's
important that we have the ability to be part of
the decision making process if we get an outbreak. But
probably more importantly, this agreement is about the things we
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can do to be ready and make sure that it
doesn't get here.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
On the first place, talking about the farming season, how's
your farming season going in Canterbury, Because one thing you
haven't lacked this season is moisture.
Speaker 9 (28:50):
We have had a great season in mid Canterbury. I
know not all of Canterbury has been the same, but
we've I think it started raining on the fifteenth of December.
It was looking a bit scary for a while, but
started raining on the fifteenth of December and it hasn't stopped.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Well long may it continue, perhaps not through the winter, though,
Let's hope for another grassy season and Canterbury next season.
Hey Kate Ackland, thanks for some of your time from Wellington.
Enjoy your round of meetings. Are sooner you than me.
Speaker 9 (29:16):
Thanks Jamie must at all.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
And I'll see you at field Days very good, yep,
great meeting place. Field Days got to go on June
eleven to fourteen at Mystery Creek, just out by the
Hamilton Airport. If you've never been there, well worth going.
You can buy your tickets online now Today as I
said as World b Day, and I mentioned that because
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some numbers were suggesting sixty or seventy percent of the
world's food was dependent on bee pollination. Apparently it's more
like thirty to thirty five percent of the world's food
crops are dependent on bee population. So I just thought,
by way of adding useless trivia to today, I would
google how many bees there are in the world, and
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apparently there are three point five trillion. That's a lot
of bees. They live on all continents except Antarctica. I
guess that makes sense of it be a bit cold
for the bees down there. So they've worked out this
three point five trillion because they reckon this approximately three
hundred and fifty million honey bee colonies. That equates to
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one colony for every twenty three people. But there's ten
thousand bees per colony. That's how you get your three
point five trillion individual honeybees on the planet, or four
hundred and forty of them for every man, woman, and child.
Up next, Karina Jordan from Fish and Game end Z.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
I guess.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
You might remember on last week's show we caught up
with doctor Jaqueline Rowath who talked about ducks. Now, someone
who's got into a bit of a flap about this
bad duk pun is the chief executive of Fish and
Game New zeal And. She hasn't really I just thought
i'd throw that bad pun in there, Karina Jordan. You
agreed with some of the stuff, Karina, that Jacqueline said,
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but you have taken issue with other points. What's wrong
with what she was saying.
Speaker 7 (31:22):
I think Jacquelines really helpfully identified the challenge with the
protesters that were at Lake Elasmir in the disruption to
the hunting that occurred there, and she's healthily put in
context the value of hunting Tinue Zellen and in particular
a game bird hunting. What we've done is we just
provided a little bit more context around some of the
points that Jacquelin's made around ducks are being providing ecola
(31:45):
into the waterways and also the number of them out there,
and some challenges that we've had in crops, in particularly
isolated incidences on the South Island.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Ye, I don't know if i'd call them isolated incidences
this year. I know down in South and some of
my farmer mates down there are the ducks Carena were
of plague proportion.
Speaker 7 (32:05):
I think you've had some really significant challenges in parts
of Southland, Jamie, and I know where you are in particular,
it's a hot spot for a mallard population. So what
we've had is we've had a really wet spring, which
means that we've got a lot of juvenile birds on
the ground and it's been warm, and then that's corresponded
with the timing for crops and that's caused impacts where
we've had new crops planted and in particular, I think
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around your area where we've had grain planted. But that's
not to say that we've got really high populations of
mallards throughout Southland. It's in isolated areas and that definitely
needs to be managed and we're working with farmers to
manage those issues.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Should you have an early season where I don't know,
in February or March, they can go out and shoot,
for want of a better words, some of these ducks.
Speaker 7 (32:50):
One of the options is to have like a midyear season,
and some regions do that, and I know that the
Southland Fishing Game Council is definitely looking into that. Mallard
population Management's really tricky. The populations tend to fluctuate quite quickly,
so last year we had quite low populations and then
with those perfect conditions, you know, the populations popped up
or would be expecting them to drop that down again
over winter with high mortality. But the team's keeping a
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really close eye on those those populations and one of
the options in our talkit is to talk to the
Minister of Hunting and Fishing about a mid season hunting
hunting season essentially.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Who just happens to be the Minister for the South
Island as well. James Mega, Look, will you and Jacquelin
agree to agree on things like activists there they are
pests to be perfectly honest around the duck hunting season,
but you agree to disagree on how much E coal
i ducks produce.
Speaker 7 (33:41):
It's really the context around it. I don't disagree with
Jacqueline around as science, the game birds can produce quite
a bit of echoli, but it's just in the context.
What we know is that we need to all be
working together to ensure that we've got healthy freshwater environments
for everybody. That's game birds and that's a farming as well.
The research was that Jacklung cited. What we know is
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that during high flow events, agriculture contributes a lot to
our freshwater as we know, but what we don't want
to do is play a blame game. We all want
to work together and so we're just providing some context
around that. The other thing we know is that duck
st generly hang out and wetlands and these hepitats are
specifically designed to be the lands filter. As we talk
about wetlands being the kidneys of our landscape, and that's
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generally where we see aggregation of our game bird species.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
You also wrote that you do hear claims from time
to time that duck hunting should be taken out of
the hands of Fish and Game. No doubt you won't
agree with that, even though you personally are leaving Fish
and Game to take up a new position as Chief
Executive of the Game Animal Council.
Speaker 7 (34:48):
Yes, that's right. I think what we can do is
we can look to the history of the candida is
to give us an indication about why this isn't a
good idea. So what we know is that if populations
are unmanaged, then they can call problems. There's a couple
of indigenous populations. The fishing game also manages per keecko
and Paradise shelduck, and if they are not managed, they
can also cause problems. When Canada gies we're taken out
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of fishing Game's hands essentially resulted in a population explosion,
which is causing problems throughout New Zealand And including with
farming communities. And that cost now is being borne by
those communities and directly by farmers. And so I'd be
advocating for Maladis in particular to stay with fishing game
as a responsible manager of these species. When that happens,
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hunters take responsibility for the populations and then conservation and
also management is funded by the hunters.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Karina Jordan, a departing Chief executive of Fish and Game
New Zealand, Thanks for some of your time today. Good
luck in your new venture at the Game Animal Council,
and we will be posting your response to JACQUEYLN Rowe's
polum on our website. People can read all about it
at the Country dot co dot NZ. See you later, Yes,
thanks Karina, here's some interesting text traffic coming in. The
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only interest fishing game of got with the ducks is
the revenue it makes them. I'm afraid they've lost all
respect here in the South. From Matt, what I would
say about fishing game I should have said it to
Karna obviously not on my game today. But they need
a license for opening weekend only for the people who
only go out on opening morning. Don't have to play
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a whole season when you only shoot one day. See
you tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
And farmer Tom Martin. Are we in business? Okay? Sorry
about that? Have I just wasted all my words? I
have wasted all my words? If you've just joined me,
hasn't been a great week for me? Anyhow? Shall I
start that again? Starting? Michelle says, start all that again?
(00:36):
This is Dwight yoakum right, take two? Sorry about that
(00:58):
New Zealand. Someone had left the button on in the
wrong place in the studio. Blame Michelle. It was probably
my fault. Hey on the show today. In fact, I'm
going to go there right now because I've just wasted
five minutes that you didn't hear Richard McIntyre chief not
chief executive.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
He is.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Sorry you've heard all that. You're one of the few
people who have heard what I actually said and no
one else said it. But you get you know, sometimes
shit happens, Richard.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Hey, Jamie, I'm just delighted that you're feeling as fight
as I am as to try to navigate the money
farm through Wellington's baking building.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Yeah. Well, look I've got my best mate and he's
dying and it's killing me, and it's just my brain's
a bit of a mush, to be perfectly honest, but
I'm battling on because I'm a professional. I'd like to think. So, Hey,
so we're going to talk to you. I'm going to
talk to Kate Acklin from Beef and Lamb, New Zealand,
going to talk to Mark Delatour from Open Country Dairy
(02:02):
last GDT auction of the season tonight farmer Tom Martin.
I caught up with them earlier this morning in the
UK and if I get time. Karina Jordan, chief executive
of Fish and Game, New Zealand, responding to a column
on ducks by doctor Jaqueline Routh and Richard by way
of introduction, did you realize that today is World to
(02:23):
B Day?
Speaker 5 (02:25):
No, I didn't. I didn't be the fantastic insect. And
you know, we obviously o a feb to them in
terms of what we can achieve as farmers.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
So that they've got a day.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
I suppose see.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I thought they were responsible. I'd heard a stat somewhere
that they were responsible for sixty to seventy percent of
the world's food production, but they're not. Apparently that is
a fallacy. They're responsible for approximately thirty to thirty five
percent of the world's food crops because they depend on
bee pollination, but some crops like wheat, rice, call on
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are not insect pollinated, So someone's overstated the contribution of bees.
Now you're at the beehive today. That's a nice segue,
isn't it. I'm getting back on the game. You're at
the bee hive today to plead the case for farmers
to be able to use key we saver to get
their foot on the farming ladder. It seems sensible. If
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you can buy a house, why can't you buy a farm?
Speaker 5 (03:24):
Oh look exactly, Jamie. This to me is just an
absolute no brainer. You know, I remember two years ago
when FINS put together their election manifesto. I thought, Hell,
this is a really easy win for the government. It
doesn't cost them anything. It encourages investment and progression within
the egg sector, and it also levels the playing field
with rural employees who you can't currently purchase the house
(03:46):
because they're in a service sentence and they're going to
live in it. And you know, yeah, I thought this
would be a really easy win. But it hasn't been
announced yet. You know, the government promised it leading into
the election and then it still hasn't happened.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah, Okay, it still hasn't happened. But they're in favor
of it, aren't they. We talked about SU's Redmain's Bill.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Right, Yeah, looks Redmain is a great advocate for this.
She's a great, great friend of the farming sector. And
she's put this together as a private member's bill and
so it's in the biscuit tin and it's got a
chance to be drawn out. But along with seventy others,
you know, when the government promised to do this, we're
expecting them to actually make this actual government policy, as
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opposed to having it put into the best biscuits and
that may get drawn out, and we're still expecting that
to happen. You know, Sue's Redman's Bill is a great one,
and we're hoping that the government will actually make that
their own policy and it go forwards from them here
I say it.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
I think Mike Hoskin I have mentioned this this morning
on z B. Maybe mister Luxeon will be on the
show today. Needs to be a bit more like Trump
and a good way, not a bad way. I mean, Trump,
despite all his failings, at least has got on and
did what he said he was going to do.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
Yeh. Look and Josh, that's all we actually ask for
from politicians, you know, we want them to follow through
on their promises. We elect them based on their promises.
They need to follow through on them.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
While I've got you, and while you're in Wellington, how
are you getting on with the banking inquiry? Because that's
your baby as well.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Look it is.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
It's something I'm incredibly passionate about. And from the feedback
that we're getting from farmers, so are they. Look the
reports being written at the moment. We're really looking forward
to seeing it when it does, Connet, and then the
really key thing for us is going to be making
sure that the recommendations are followed through.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
All right, Richard, I better go because I've run myself
out of time due to a false start. Sorry about that.
It's just the way. That's just life at the moment.
That anyhow, Hey, thanks and good luck you guys at
Federated Farmers, and I mean this and all sincerity, are
doing a good job going into bat for farmers.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
Hey, no, we're family, all great to talk as always.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yep, got on yet there we go. Richard McIntyre, Dairy chair.
He'll be interested, no doubt. And that last global trade
auction which is happy for the season, of course, which
is happening tonight. We're going to have a look at
that with Mark Delatour, the chief executive of Open Country Dairy.
(06:12):
Farmer Tom Martin caught up with them earlier this morning
in the UK. Those guys are facing the driest spring
in nearly a century. Tough times in the UK, and
you couple that up with the government not backing down
on the inheritance tax. Stupid green parties proposing one of
those here as well. It would just kill it would
(06:34):
kill the productive sector. Karina Jordan, chief executive of Fish
and Game New Zealand, on responding to doctor Jack willn
Rowith's column on ducks. It's all on the country up
next though, we're going to talk dairy with Mark Delatour,
out of Open Country Dairy. I think he's down on
them the cargo. We'll find out next. On the country.
(07:11):
Here's a bloke I always enjoy catching up with at
field days because I enjoy this company. But perhaps more importantly,
Mark de Latour, chief executive of Open Country Cheese, you
give me a block of cheese. There would only be
one thing better than be given a block of cheese
at field days, and that would be to be given
a block of butter.
Speaker 6 (07:32):
Good afternoon, Jamie, Well well played, Well played there. We're
just going to miss the field days this year with
our with our butter plant will be sort of turning
that on around August, but certainly our supplies we'll get
their allocation of butter, just like the cheese, and I
see with butter prices in the Zealand like it is
now that that timing is going to be perfect.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Let's get back before field Days to what's going to
happen tonight. We've got a Global Dairy Trade auction, our
final one for this stary season. I put it to
you that we can't keep defying gravity. There must be
a leveling off or a drop in the GDT or
am I just being a bit pessimistic there.
Speaker 6 (08:14):
I think you're right, Jane, having you know leveling off
would be would probably be good. I think most people
would be quite happy without. What we don't want is
a correction. Right now, there's nothing in the market to
suggest a correction. So I'm not jumping at shadows, but
you know, I think at these sort of levels, everyone
does get a little bit nervous and saying, let's let's
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hold on to this. So, you know, our forecast is
a slight decline for the for the next few months.
But we still got to our first two periods of
the new season, you know, right up there towards mid
ten dollars forecast. So I don't think it's going to
be going to do anything drastic, but you know, it
is likely we'll see some softening in the next few months.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Unlike Fonterra, who pays a season wide average, you guys
split your payments into four seasons, or into four segments.
The midpoint on period four, and that is February through
to May, is a whopping ten dollars and seventy cents,
which is wonderful. But when you average that out across
your payments for p one, two and three, what's the
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season average for open country compared to Fonterra. If Fonterra
indeed meets its ten dollars forecast.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
Yeah, I think across our milk pool, Jamie, you you've
caught me, but I think it's around about ten oh
seven if we hit that midpoint for the period four
at ten seventy, and I'm sure we'll do that, so
I think it'll be around that ten oh seven. Noting that, Jamie,
there are a lot of differences for each farm. Each
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individual farm has its own milk curve and regionally when
they start milking and finished milking. Obviously South lond Vers
work at a every every farm slightly different because of
that timing. But Millpool, I think it's about ten oh seven.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Are you surprised that the milk volumes have increased year
on year, bearing in mind how dry it was in
parts and key parts of the North Island dairy regions Waikato, Taraanaki.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
Yeah, absolutely, And of course Southland had a terrible start,
you know, with the spring with the flooding, so you
know that they've been chasing their tail all year down
south and I'm actually talking to you from in Vicago, Jamie,
so and just with the team down here and Southland
at the stage of this late part of the season
is actually three now three percent up year on year
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for us. So they had a tough start and but
have had a really good finish to the season Waikato
want to know, both of them around four to five
percent up year. But I guess even with the dry weather, Jamie,
when the milk price is strong, farmers can afford to
feed out and support that. So everyone's been chasing good
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volumes for these prices.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Now the pearol south and farmers got a real kicking
in the spring period, worse spring on record, but the
payback has been Mother nature has been pretty kind in
the autumn. And of course, because of the way you
split your payments, the further south you are, the probably
the better you fare at open country in a year
where the prices continue to go up throughout the season
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like this season.
Speaker 6 (11:21):
Yeah, that's right. I mean, that's just the way it is.
I mean, we do offer a couple of different payment models,
so people can choose to go with a curve very
similar to fonterras if they want, or you can go
with the full payment model. So we do give lots
of choice even when you're when you're a supplier, so
people can change from season to season on their payment system.
(11:45):
But yep, for that's right. What I will say, Jamie is,
of course, this next milk season is going to start
it at a at a strong number, so you know
the curve might look quite different. So very much a
case of horses for courses for each farmer, and we
we sit down with each of those farmers and work
out what probably is going to work best for them.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
One more to throw at you, and that is to
be fair to you. I think it was you and
Cameron Bagrie both flew this kite at about the same time.
The prospect of more dairy conversions in the coming season,
is it going to come to fruition?
Speaker 6 (12:18):
Yeah, I'm certain of there's I mean, the country needs it, Jamie.
Let's be honest, We've got to do more of what
we're good at. So you know, I guess capitalists and
environmentalists alike have to acknowledge that milk out of New
Zealand is the most efficient food product around in the
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world right now. So we need more money for our
country's balance sheet, and certainly the world needs more low
carbon efficient milk so that we naturally do that. We
don't need to change anything. We naturally do that. So
let's take advantage of it. So especially you know the
guys down here in Southland with their scale and efficiency.
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They do a great job. So it's been good to
spend a couple of days with some farmers down here.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Mark Delatour, you enjoy the rest of your day in
God's own farming province. I'll see you at Field Days.
Speaker 6 (13:10):
Thanks very much, Jamie. Just a quick shout out to
the team down here, Jamie if I can. We've got
Miles Herdman, who most of the people down in the
South and here will know Miles. He's one of the originals.
We call him the Originals. I think he's employee number
three for Open Country and he's retiring at the end
of this month. So we're down here. We've got Cody
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and Melissa who have joined the team for the last
six months and there they're going to take over from Miles,
who's very much enjoying the fact that two people are
going to take over where he left off. So that's
just a quick shout out to Miles to say, yeah,
thank you for everything he's done for open Country and
also the industry down here in Southland.
Speaker 7 (13:50):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Bit of a legend. Good on you. Thanks for your time.
See you at Field Days.
Speaker 7 (13:53):
Jet It.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Thank you Mark. Excuse me, okay, right, up next. Earlier
this morning, I caught up their UK correspondent because it's
like one point thirty in the morning over their farmer
Tom Martin. They're getting a kicking. The farmers are from
the government with the inheritance tax, and if that's not
bad enough, they're also getting a bit of a beating
from mother nature. The driest spring in nearly a century
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in some parts of the UK. Kate Ackland will join
us before the end of the our chair of Beef
and lamb New Zealand and talking about chiefs or bosses,
chief executive, but not for much longer of fish and
game end z. She's moving on to greener pastures or
less green pastures. I don't know. Corina Jordan responding to
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what doctor Jaquelin Roweth had to say last week on
this show about ducks. It's all on the country and
it's all brought to you by brand He's a UK
(15:09):
farming correspondent, goes by the moniker of farmer Tom Martin. Tom,
you're farming about one hundred k's north of London and
I'm reading from the BBC no less a source that
you are suffering your driest spring in nearly a century.
But don't panic too much because winm Moreton's coming.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
That's right. Well, just to the east of London is
the driest point in the United Kingdom, and yeah, we've
had some we've had some very very dry weather. We
get the d word out there, Jamie, the drought word
very quickly. You know, there are people in other parts
of the world, certainly across much of Australia and you
know the US mainland who would laugh at us for
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our use of the word drought. But we're a maritime climate.
We're used to pretty regular rainfall and you know, we've
not had any decent rainfall probably for kind of a
good three months. So yeah, we're dry. We're dry, but
I have to say we're drys here in the east.
But we're on clay ground where we are, and that's
just helping us out a little bit. But there are
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some people there's you know, people with their sugar beat
coming up, some of the spring cropping really struggling, and
then other people just delaying some planting as well. So
it's it is a bit of a tough time. We've
got our beans flowering at the moment and they'll be
dropping flowers, so dropping yield and other people losing yield
as it stays dry day by day. Yes, it's a
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bit of a challenge. We still get a pretty heavy
jew each morning, so there's a little bit of moisture there,
but we weren't there to harvest. I don't think is.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
There any sign of the government backing down on this
very controversial inheritance text, which is going to be very
very difficult for farm succession. We've got a half wooded
party here in New Zealand, Tom called the Greens who
have come up with a similar proposal and their shadow budget.
Not that they're ever going to get anywhere near the
Treasury benches. Heaven help us if they do. But your
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lot are in there. They're threatening to do this any
back down.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
I mean they are, I tell you what they are.
There's been no signs of a of a background. They've
certainly kind of doubled down on their commitment. It's it's
it's completely indefensible. I can't I can't see the justification
in the various different things they've done. They've they're they're
kind of bringing in compulsory purchase powers there. They've they've
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they've canned are sustainable farming incentive and as I say,
the inheritance tax which they're looking to remove the or
kind of reduce the reductions for for land. It's it's
just ill thought through and gosh, besides all the other
things that there are people there reports of people refusing
(17:57):
cancer treatment uh and saying, look, I'm just planning not
to be alive by next April or six, which I
think is when the day it comes in. It's it's
it's an absolute shocker on all levels. But there doesn't
seem to be it doesn't seem to be any back down.
There's quite a lot of pressure at the moment from
from some MPs to delay it by a year, and
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there's also a bit of a call to say, you know,
to give exemptions to older farmers. You know, there is
a rule in the UK that you can that you
can make a gift and if you live seven years
there's a you know, then then then you don't pay
the full tax. But gosh, you know, Jamie, I don't
know if I'm gonna left seven years. You know, it's
you're taxed on bad luck. So it's it's bad legislation,
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but there's certainly not don't even look to be, you know,
possibly thinking about moving at the moment.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Let's just finish quickly on the BBC. I started the
by reporting that the BBC was reporting on the dry
spring and nearly a century. The BBC have also secked
Gary Lineker from hosting your football coverage. And I was
going to talk to you about that, but you don't
know anything about football. You're a rugby man. Are you
excited about the Lions heading to Australia. That would be
(19:08):
a good winter trip for you, Tom, well, summer trip
it would be for you, yes, of course.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Yeah, it'll be a summer trip for me. So it
it'd be harvest time, so that will be a no
for me, but it would be. Yeah, it's something I'm
really looking forward to for ther Pountain Saints, that's my
local team as part of the Lion's lineup, so that's
that's pretty exciting. But yeah, I think it's going to
be a great tour, you know, really strong team. I
(19:35):
hope there's a great Australian team to to play them
as well. We have some fantastic running rugby. And as
for Garylnica, I mean he's he's he's made a few
kind of faux pas in terms of his social media
tweets and messages in the past, and this is just
another one that's bitten him in. And perhaps perhaps he's
just gone on too long and shot his mouth off
(19:57):
a little bit too much. But who knows, I'm sure
do well. He's always had a reputations that as the
kind of good guy in football. Unfortunately, I just at
the end of a fantastic career. It's just sowed by,
you know, by some pretty loose social media posts.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Good luck to your Northampton signs up against Border I
think in that European Final and did you got you
guys tapped up Jordi Barrett's Leinster team, didn't you?
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Oh? Tremendous games, so many commentations said at the game
of their lives. It was an amazing game and Leinster
a phenomenal team. Thirteen of the of the Irish starting
fifteen or is it twelve Irish studying fifteen play for Leinster.
Absolutely phenomenal. Two teams just went at each other for
eighty minutes in the stadium there in Dublin. Phenomenal atmosphere,
(20:48):
fanned all together, drinking and having a great time afterwards.
Tremendous game of rugby and for me as a Saints fan,
the right result.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Good man, Hey farmer Tom Martin. I hope you get
some rain just north of London there. We'll check to
you again next month.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Yeah, caught up with them a wee bit earlier this
morning you were listening to the Country. I'm Jamie McKay.
Now that I finally got you to here. Before the
end of the hour, We've got Kate Ackland from Beef
and Lamb, New Zealand, just back from a trade trip.
I suppose I can call it that a trip of
meetings in the UK, EU and the US and Karina Jordan,
(21:27):
chief executive of Fishing Game New Zealand. Someone's texted and
the said Corina Jordan is a great Taranaki girl. She
went to Spotswood College in New Plymouth. Thank you for that, Texter.
Up next rural news, sports news. Somewhere I will find it.
(21:51):
I'm gonna have to be better tomorrow. I might get
the sack.
Speaker 8 (21:54):
See, we ain't got the hide except for that one,
my love.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
It's more soon.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
It's the time that us been long.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
See twenty two away from one. You're with the country, right,
She's wandered in here with Rural News. Let's see what
she's got. I think she's got the winner. Michelle Watt
of yesterday's final double pass to field Days.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
The country's world news with cub Cadet, New Zealand's leading
right on lawn Bower brand visit steel Ford dot Co
dot In said for your locals, Douggist.
Speaker 8 (22:33):
Yeah, Jamie, I have the final winner of that double
field Day's pass right here. Nigel Dearthur's an avocado from
Katti Kutti, he messaged. And this is randomly chosen, by
the way, but as missions he had loved your show.
I thought that was kind of nice.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
You're lying, you're telling porcy pies there, Michelle.
Speaker 8 (22:49):
I have nothing to do with packing.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
This, I said. I said, flattery gets you everywhere. Nigel
and Caddy Caddy, so I said, give Nigel the double pass.
So there you go. But normal, actually normally they're always
picked in Auckland. It's beyond our control. But yesterday for
some reason we got to pick it and Nigel, I'll
give you half an hour to stop that flattery. Well done.
Speaker 8 (23:10):
So what else you got in Rural Also in Rural News,
another horticultural type story going from avocado growers to horticulture.
Lydia Goodman has won the Central Otago twenty twenty five
Young Grower regional title. Goodman, who's from Cromwell, is the
assistant orchard manager at Central Orchard Management and packing manager
at Central Pack. She pictured her skills against four fellow
contestants to take the title at Cromwell on Friday and
(23:32):
we'll now go on to compete against six other regional
winners and the Young Girl of the Year final competition
in christ Church in September. So congratulations to Lydia.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Sports with AFCO. Visit them online at AFCO dot co
dot NZ.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
All blackslock Sam Darius planning to play his first game
of footy for the year in late July. A shoulder
injury has signed lined him for the entire Blues campaign.
Darry's targeting at Canterbury pre season e NPC game before
their Round one match after chatting to a specialist. Meanwhile,
the Blues have announced teammate Ricky Ricatelli is heading to
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France at the end of the season. Arthur Rash Stadium
venue for the US Tennis Open. The center court, of course,
is to undergo an expansion as a part of a
one point three five billion dollar renovation at Flushing Meadows.
The proposed works being described as the largest single investment
(24:31):
in the tournament's history. Capacity will increase by about two
thousand seats to nearly twenty six thousand. Have you ever
been to the US Tennis Open, Michelle?
Speaker 3 (24:42):
No?
Speaker 8 (24:42):
I have? Are you excited for?
Speaker 3 (24:44):
No?
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Well, not for the poor buggers who are in the bleachers,
because honestly, I've been lucky enough to go to Wimbledon,
which is the number one tennis toaurnam in my mind anyhow.
But at Arthur ash Stadium, Center Court at the US
Tennis Open, if you're sitting up the top, you're watching
a couple of vents hitting with toothpicks. That's a huge stadium.
But anyhow, great, great atmosphere. Looking forward to that one.
(25:07):
Looking forward to the French Open coming up Alcarez versus Sinner.
The young guns of world tennis are taking over up next.
Kate Ackland out of Beef and Lambin's. The last time
(25:32):
we chatted to Kate Ackland's chair of Beef and Lamb
New Zealand, she was in Europe and Brussels, no less
she's made away home via the US where she's been
or was meeting with some US cattlemen. Kate, good afternoon,
Welcome to the country from Wellington. Where you're doing around
the meetings today? Did you have to wear a ten
gallon hat into your meeting in Texas?
Speaker 9 (25:54):
Hi, Jamie, No, I didn't, but they did have very
cool hatholders at the door of their boardrooms, so I
thought that was quite good.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Now, that was just an assumption from me that the
meeting with the cattleman was in Texas, was it.
Speaker 9 (26:06):
No?
Speaker 7 (26:07):
No, no, I was in Washington BUFU with the Cattleman's Association
and you know, their Meat Industry Association and their next
meeting Exported Federation.
Speaker 9 (26:15):
So really good round of meetings, just trying to cement
those strong relationships we've got over there.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Now, you were saying to me that over there what
kind of viewed as the good guys.
Speaker 9 (26:26):
Yeah, Look, we are very much viewed as one of
the good guys. I mean what I got an understanding
of is it's very much in America first strategy in everything,
and so it's all about how can our exports to
America help America do better? And we're in a really
good position because we've send a lot of lean beef
trim there that actually adds value to the US producers
(26:49):
sati or off cuts, So you know they do need
to import that lean beef trim, and you know they
do see us as a good guy.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Sheep and beef farmers all aside have had a really
good season, no other way to describe it. Beef is
at record prices. It's been good all year. Lamb far
exceeded expectations as to what we might get for it.
Do you see that continuing into twenty five twenty six.
Speaker 9 (27:17):
Look, it has been a good season and you know
we're probably to be frank needed to continue and build
from here into twenty five twenty six. But you know
there is a global shortage of protein in Australia, EU,
UK all have sheep numbers continuing to drop like they
are in New Zealand. We know the US beef heard
at seventy year low, So I think that global shortage
(27:39):
of protein will continue to see good outcomes for US
on farm.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Sheep and beef farmers have voted unsurprisingly to approve beef
and LAMB New Zealand signing an operational agreement between the
ag sector and the government on foot and mouth disease
readiness and response. You got an overwhelming result ninety six
percent voting in support of it. But I would put
it to you, Kate, that turkeys don't vote for an
early Christmas. You'd have to have rocks in your head
(28:07):
not to vote to do something to prevent foot and
mouth getting into this country.
Speaker 9 (28:13):
Look, we were really pleased to get that strong support,
and you know it was quite a technical. It was
quite a technical as you thought. It was really great
that we had over two thousand farmers sort of read
and understand it and vote on it. You know, it's
important that we have the ability to be part of
the decision making process if we get an outbreak. But
probably more importantly, this agreement is about the things we
(28:36):
can do to be ready and make sure that it
doesn't get here.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
On the first place, talking about the farming season, how's
your farming season going in Canterbury, Because one thing you
haven't lacked this season is moisture.
Speaker 9 (28:50):
We have had a great season in mid Canterbury. I
know not all of Canterbury has been the same, but
we've I think it started raining on the fifteenth of December.
It was looking a bit scary for a while, but
started raining on the fifteenth of December and it hasn't stopped.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Well long may it continue, perhaps not through the winter, though,
Let's hope for another grassy season and Canterbury next season.
Hey Kate Ackland, thanks for some of your time from Wellington.
Enjoy your round of meetings. Are sooner you than me.
Speaker 9 (29:16):
Thanks Jamie must at all.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
And I'll see you at field Days very good, yep,
great meeting place. Field Days got to go on June
eleven to fourteen at Mystery Creek, just out by the
Hamilton Airport. If you've never been there, well worth going.
You can buy your tickets online now Today as I
said as World b Day, and I mentioned that because
(29:40):
some numbers were suggesting sixty or seventy percent of the
world's food was dependent on bee pollination. Apparently it's more
like thirty to thirty five percent of the world's food
crops are dependent on bee population. So I just thought,
by way of adding useless trivia to today, I would
google how many bees there are in the world, and
(30:00):
apparently there are three point five trillion. That's a lot
of bees. They live on all continents except Antarctica. I
guess that makes sense of it be a bit cold
for the bees down there. So they've worked out this
three point five trillion because they reckon this approximately three
hundred and fifty million honey bee colonies. That equates to
(30:24):
one colony for every twenty three people. But there's ten
thousand bees per colony. That's how you get your three
point five trillion individual honeybees on the planet, or four
hundred and forty of them for every man, woman, and child.
Up next, Karina Jordan from Fish and Game end Z.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
I guess.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
You might remember on last week's show we caught up
with doctor Jaqueline Rowath who talked about ducks. Now, someone
who's got into a bit of a flap about this
bad duk pun is the chief executive of Fish and
Game New zeal And. She hasn't really I just thought
i'd throw that bad pun in there, Karina Jordan. You
agreed with some of the stuff, Karina, that Jacqueline said,
(31:16):
but you have taken issue with other points. What's wrong
with what she was saying.
Speaker 7 (31:22):
I think Jacquelines really helpfully identified the challenge with the
protesters that were at Lake Elasmir in the disruption to
the hunting that occurred there, and she's healthily put in
context the value of hunting Tinue Zellen and in particular
a game bird hunting. What we've done is we just
provided a little bit more context around some of the
points that Jacquelin's made around ducks are being providing ecola
(31:45):
into the waterways and also the number of them out there,
and some challenges that we've had in crops, in particularly
isolated incidences on the South Island.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Ye, I don't know if i'd call them isolated incidences
this year. I know down in South and some of
my farmer mates down there are the ducks Carena were
of plague proportion.
Speaker 7 (32:05):
I think you've had some really significant challenges in parts
of Southland, Jamie, and I know where you are in particular,
it's a hot spot for a mallard population. So what
we've had is we've had a really wet spring, which
means that we've got a lot of juvenile birds on
the ground and it's been warm, and then that's corresponded
with the timing for crops and that's caused impacts where
we've had new crops planted and in particular, I think
(32:26):
around your area where we've had grain planted. But that's
not to say that we've got really high populations of
mallards throughout Southland. It's in isolated areas and that definitely
needs to be managed and we're working with farmers to
manage those issues.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Should you have an early season where I don't know,
in February or March, they can go out and shoot,
for want of a better words, some of these ducks.
Speaker 7 (32:50):
One of the options is to have like a midyear season,
and some regions do that, and I know that the
Southland Fishing Game Council is definitely looking into that. Mallard
population Management's really tricky. The populations tend to fluctuate quite quickly,
so last year we had quite low populations and then
with those perfect conditions, you know, the populations popped up
or would be expecting them to drop that down again
over winter with high mortality. But the team's keeping a
(33:13):
really close eye on those those populations and one of
the options in our talkit is to talk to the
Minister of Hunting and Fishing about a mid season hunting
hunting season essentially.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Who just happens to be the Minister for the South
Island as well. James Mega, Look, will you and Jacquelin
agree to agree on things like activists there they are
pests to be perfectly honest around the duck hunting season,
but you agree to disagree on how much E coal
i ducks produce.
Speaker 7 (33:41):
It's really the context around it. I don't disagree with
Jacqueline around as science, the game birds can produce quite
a bit of echoli, but it's just in the context.
What we know is that we need to all be
working together to ensure that we've got healthy freshwater environments
for everybody. That's game birds and that's a farming as well.
The research was that Jacklung cited. What we know is
(34:03):
that during high flow events, agriculture contributes a lot to
our freshwater as we know, but what we don't want
to do is play a blame game. We all want
to work together and so we're just providing some context
around that. The other thing we know is that duck
st generly hang out and wetlands and these hepitats are
specifically designed to be the lands filter. As we talk
about wetlands being the kidneys of our landscape, and that's
(34:25):
generally where we see aggregation of our game bird species.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
You also wrote that you do hear claims from time
to time that duck hunting should be taken out of
the hands of Fish and Game. No doubt you won't
agree with that, even though you personally are leaving Fish
and Game to take up a new position as Chief
Executive of the Game Animal Council.
Speaker 7 (34:48):
Yes, that's right. I think what we can do is
we can look to the history of the candida is
to give us an indication about why this isn't a
good idea. So what we know is that if populations
are unmanaged, then they can call problems. There's a couple
of indigenous populations. The fishing game also manages per keecko
and Paradise shelduck, and if they are not managed, they
can also cause problems. When Canada gies we're taken out
(35:10):
of fishing Game's hands essentially resulted in a population explosion,
which is causing problems throughout New Zealand And including with
farming communities. And that cost now is being borne by
those communities and directly by farmers. And so I'd be
advocating for Maladis in particular to stay with fishing game
as a responsible manager of these species. When that happens,
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hunters take responsibility for the populations and then conservation and
also management is funded by the hunters.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Karina Jordan, a departing Chief executive of Fish and Game
New Zealand, Thanks for some of your time today. Good
luck in your new venture at the Game Animal Council,
and we will be posting your response to JACQUEYLN Rowe's
polum on our website. People can read all about it
at the Country dot co dot NZ. See you later, Yes,
thanks Karina, here's some interesting text traffic coming in. The
(35:58):
only interest fishing game of got with the ducks is
the revenue it makes them. I'm afraid they've lost all
respect here in the South. From Matt, what I would
say about fishing game I should have said it to
Karna obviously not on my game today. But they need
a license for opening weekend only for the people who
only go out on opening morning. Don't have to play
(36:19):
a whole season when you only shoot one day. See
you tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
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