July 7, 2026 • 38 mins
Hamish McKay talks to Christopher Luxon, Adam McManaway, Emma Higgins, and Brian Dela Rue.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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to have you here with us cracking show ahead, although
I can't promise the excitement of Argentina three Egypt two
Leonel Messi. The bloke is a did sit animal. That's
how he was described by one of his former teammates.
In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if he gets a
roll in Dutton Ranch in the next series. Is an Argentina.
(01:00):
Argentinian cattle breeder you know that wears something around is
middle and a holster. You know. The bloke is unbelievable.
What an assassin from two kneel down? Incredible?
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Right.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
We'll kick the show off very shortly with a very
busy Prime Minister Christopher A luxen coming up. We head
to Kaikura, Ada mcmanaway local dairy farmer and what's happening
there right now, Emma Higgins, Senior agricultural analyst at a Rabobank.
Some great insight coming up on the GDT correction in
(01:35):
the latest figures and results their correction or drop or
what should we be looking for going forward off the
back of that and Innovation week AI like it or not,
it's here to stay and it can be a beautiful thing.
We'll have a look at that as well. Right Christopher
Luxen is standing by on the country. Prime Minister Christoph
(02:02):
Luxan joins us now, Prime Minister, Good afternoon.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Good afternoon, hamersh. How are you still on the tools
this week?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah? I am.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
I am.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
In fact, I'm cranking along hotter than a smoking pistol. I'm,
you know, feeling pretty good. Jamie can have another week
off if he wants to, but no, no, thoroughly enjoying.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
It in the Barossa Valley.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Yeah, somewhere like that. You know, I don't have a
glass of red or something associated.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
In Australian chere or something.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Probably the classy man that he is, Marsden points.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
You and I are both working hard here.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah, well exactly we are. And you you have been
busy up in the Far North yesterday Marsden Point, you
out there with young Lloyd but and the team up
in that part of the world.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Yeah, it was great, Actually it was really good.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
I looking up McCullum as well, and we were I
was actually wanted to go check out Marsden Point. You know,
we'd spent twenty two million dollars refurbishing a fuel tank
up there that gives us nine days worth of extra
diesel and honestly, Hamers should be so proud. I mean,
like the amount. You know, we gave these guys a challenge.
They went from go to woe within nine days, went
within nine weeks actually, and we've actually got nine days
(03:04):
worth of extra stores there now. So the tanks are
in great condition. But just the engineers, the contractors, the
team that we had up there was just incredibly just
reminded that this country can do big things at speed
and we want to with some very talented people making
it happen.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah, not fantastic. That's good that that is happening up there.
Kaikura though sort of opposite end of the scale. I
know that Mark Mitchell is who's a busy man and
reading the herald today and an even busier man with
a few extra responsibilities of the country. But he's down there.
I mean that's first and foremost. So let's deal with
what matter is really there, the weather there, which has
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been yet not great.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Yeah, he's a great emergency management minister because you like
the deal I have with markets that he goes to
the location as quickly and as early as possible, gets
on board with the mayor, so we actually get local
government central government working together. Saves and Omaru earlier in
the week, which obviously was hit pretty hard on La Tucky,
and then he's been he's actually in Blend. I'm trying
(04:03):
to get down to kai Kora, but State Highway one
was closed as he got down there yesterday and had
to return back. But yeah, the images in kai Kora
don't look great. The Maya has done a fantastic job,
I think, you know, in getting things organized, giving the
local civil defense responsor in place. But yeah, there's a
couple of bridges that will need replacing to keep that working.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
So yeah, so.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
We'll uh, he'll have all he'll get down there and
survey the damage and have more to say about it
this morning, which would be good.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Ye Uh. The Prime moti'n.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Found that Hamish is just for the listeners, you know.
Is what's been good this time? You know, we've run
into challenges in the past where people get a bit
gung ho and decide to drive through floodwater and often
cars and get swept away and people lose their lives.
And I think what's actually been good is the downside
or the upside. Only upside of these sort of events
that we've been having is that A we're getting much
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much better at the response, you know, we're we'recalling things
much earlier, and B people are getting prepared at home
with emergency supplies. And see I think people are stopping.
You have actually started to stop and everything and say actually,
don't do anything stupid, you know, you know, watch what
you're doing.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Yeah, at one percent Prime Minister mode. He's visited on
the weekend. I do want to have a little bit
of self indulgence here. I know, my uncle David McDowell
was a former ambassador and he's into the u N.
And he was actually head of Jim Bold's Prime Minister
department for a while and had a big connection to
the yeah, to the Indian and that part of the world.
So he'll be very I'll be interested to get his
(05:30):
view on this. But it's it's a it's a big thing,
isn't It's a big occasion.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
It's a really big occasion. It's a pretty historification. You'll know,
and you'll know as well that we haven't made a
prime minister from India in New Zealand for over forty years.
And the fact that he's coming is when he's a
busy guy, is just the strength of the.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Relationship I think that we've built over the last two years.
So you know, it's going to be a good visit.
It's going to be a quick visit.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
So he'll be arriving on Friday evening and then.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Sort of here with us all Saturday. We'll have our.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Formal governments to government sort of conversations in the morning.
Around lunchtime, will be showcasing a lot of what the
business opportunities are, So I'll be showcasing a lot of
the sectors to him across our economy. We've got some
great people involved with that, and we've got business people
on both sides from India and New Zealand spending the
morning together talking about what they can how they can
work together. He's always had an interest in sports because
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India wants to ultimately host an Olympic Games, and so
he's quite interested in how high performance sport approach. So
we're going to showcase a little bit of that to
him as well. And then and then in the evening
we have a massive community event at Spark Arena, which
will be fantastic because we've got a very diverse Indian
community here in New Zealand and assist important to celebrate
the contribution they've made to many sectors include including agriculture
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and farming.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, fantastic. I won't I won't dwell on this too much,
but when you talk about the Olympics in sport and
some of these Indian athletes that are coming through, you know,
we know they can bowl fast, but they've got a
couple of guys who are like javelin throwers and things
who are next level. I mean, you know, if sport
like Olympic sports take off in that country, oh it'll
be yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
I think Hamish they went to Paris shouldn't have better
than me. But I thought they went to Paris, and
I thought they won sort of like five silvers in
a bronze. And when you think about a country of
one and a half billion people, the biggest country on Earth,
I think that's question which is, well, how do you
on a per capita basis sort of get to the
top of the table. Typically in New Zealand, lots of
gold medals prepared a population pretty high, and yet we've
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got a mess of population. Yet we haven't got a
system that's delivering athletes that can win gold medals yet.
So you know that's and they will, as you say,
they've got incredible talent there, and you've got such a
large population. Are the incredible feats of athleticism in that country?
But how do you organize it? How do you find
spot the talent? How do you develop that talent? You know,
what technology do you use? Those kinds of things. I
(07:44):
think he's quite curious about.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yeah, great, I'm not going to play putting the tail
on the donkey with the ICA's that's coming up a
little later on. We'll avoid that. Yeah, but I do.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
I think the only thing is that, Yeah, that is
a decision for the Reserve Bank. And the thing that
I have the miment is that as the spending and
the revenue. And we've had some pretty good results in
recent weeks about economy strengthening, which is and more than
people four, which is good stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah, and we need to make more of that, I
think across the general media. I'm going to just make
that claim right here and now. Fertilizer, why is the
synthetic nitrogen the banning the greens? I mean, it doesn't
feel like there's a whole lot of homework gone under
this and you know.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Yeah, it's not even worth discussing, mate, it's tail.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Utter insanity, you know, you know, stop banning fertilizer and
coloring cows seriously, you know, you know, I think organic
fertilizer is twenty five percent lower yields and what I
see and synthetic fertilizer, So what are you saying you're
going to kill You're going to knock off a quarter
of our income. The Zealand as poor as a result
of that, and that ain't happening. So but look, Jeed
underscores the risk of the other side, you know, I mean, seriously,
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you have Hipkins's Prime Minister, closed Warbrookers Finance Minister and
Madam and Davison's your Environment Minister and Agriculture Minister. Sounds
like it that ain't ain't going to be pretty so,
so that's why we've got to get out there and
get the job done.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
November.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Ye, now you've been away to you caught up with
the Young Farmer of the FMG Young Farmer the a
t Riodar and our new winner over the Year in
the Naki on the weekend.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Yeah, it was great. I mean I try and get
down there every year.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Sometimes with travel schedules I can't, but it was great
to be back down there and your plumouth. Last when
i'd gone to I think was Timuru a couple of
years back. And the thing I'd really love to see
is I'd love to see TVMs televised that event. You know,
like when I grew up as a kid, you have
you know, the city Kid on christ Church. But you know,
it was compulsory viewing to watch a Young Farmer of
the Year and the skills of these young people is amazing.
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And that's the point I've always been making about agriculture
is that.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
It doesn't matter.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
There's so many different avenues you can get into in
this in the sector in this industry as a young
person setting up, wanting to build a career, and so
I reckon we should get a televise, And I'm sort
of trying to push that point pretty strongly because you
look at Country Calendar, a number one rank show in
the country. You look at Nadia's Farm, you look at
Clarkson Farm and how popular those shows are, and I
(10:02):
just think we'd help bridge Aggie in that urban rural divide,
which frankly, I don't think is as strong as people
make up to be. I think I talk agriculture in
the cities all the time, and people have got huge
respect for farmers now.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Which is great.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
May not have been a case a while ago, but
they do now, which is great.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
And I could nominate a Chisel jaw Son of the
Mantle too, who could probably be quite good at hosting
it too, But that's another story. Prime Minister. You're going
to catch the You got to catch the rugby this weekend,
Martin Riki, I guess Friday. But then you've got a
fairly important visitor as well to fit in.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Yeah, I've got I've got a very important visitor.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
I'll be spending two days with full full on and
but I'll try and catch it at some point.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
I thought the France game was great.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
At I thought the whole competition last weekend across you
know the Wallabys game, you know Argentina Scotland with Argentine Scotland.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
As it was. Yeah, so I watched all the highlights
of that.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
But I mean I thought it was some pretty high
scoring games and some pretty good rugby and in close games,
which is great.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Yeah, I just want one one last. I want to
ask about it extra responsibility around security and Intelligence with
Mark Mitchell and how it's sort of framed up as
I read it today that it's your workload. But I
would have thought another set of eyes is quite handy.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
Look, I mean we've got Chris Pink who WOS learn
is responsible for the agencies, which is the SIS.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
And the GCSB.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
I'm the Minister for Intelligence and Security. That's a big
part of my job. I'm in. There is a lot,
but I also want to modernize quite a lot of
our legislation around that. I want to do that in
a bipartisan way, working with other parties, and I want
Mark to support that work as well. And because of
some of the counter terrorism stuff that he gets involved
in through police. It's just a sensible thing to have
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between myself leading at Chris Pink leading agencies and Mark supporting.
It's a good combination priming.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Us a busy few days ahead. Thank you very much
for joining us on the country.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Pleasure mate, you take care of good day, Jelia.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Thank you very much to the PM. Now next up
here on the country eighteen minutes up to midday twelve eighteen,
we're going to head to kai Kura. Yesterday, of course
we were. We heard from Shane mcmanaway out of the
Wider Rapper who was trying to get a hold of
his son Adam, who's a local dairy farmer down there
in kai Kura and was having some trouble. Obviously things
(12:17):
were turning pear shape down there. Today we have been
able to we're standing by to get ahold of Adam
mcmanaway and to have a chat there and catch up
with the latest down there in the state of emergency
area of Kaikurra that's coming up on the country where
this is the country. Well, yesterday, of course it was
(12:38):
all unfolding all on panning down there on at kai
Kura on the east coast top of the South Ireland.
We're going to head there now to on the owners
of a schoolhouse dairy's just out of kai Kurral where
the floodbanks burst. Adam mcmanaway joins us now local farmer
down there, Adam, thank you for joining us. How are
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things looking for you today? Not too good.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
We've got a big clean up ahead of us to
try and sort everything else, to try and get the
gairy firm back operational. Just a big mess with gravel,
trees and fence lines and things to fix. Tracks have
washed away and the bridges are missing.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
How wide is the damage in the community? You mean,
how many other farms would you say have been hit
like you have none?
Speaker 6 (13:28):
We've got one next door, Simn Maple, and he's got
Lukes Creek that runs through his place.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
But we've got Luke's Creek.
Speaker 6 (13:33):
Middle Creek into the Wyming that all meet up at
our farm.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
So there all three of them burst. The beans.
Speaker 6 (13:39):
Middle Creek did it in like three places and the
Wyming did it in about three or four and took
out the stock bent completely. So we're probably the worst.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
We're at the lowest.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
Point of the flat, so everything kind of ends up
running through our property. But there's lots of houses that
got evacuated and maybe had like a meter of water
run through the houses, lots of like wheat paddocks and
mudd everywhere.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
We knew some weather was coming, but how quickly did
this come in?
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Really?
Speaker 2 (14:07):
And you know the actual effect of the actual actuality
of it happening.
Speaker 6 (14:11):
We did have two to three days of warning, but
like the rivers and the creeks around here can probably
only handle eighty to one hundred and twenty miles of
rain in a twenty four hour period, and we got
three hundred, so it was just way too much for
them to be able to contain them. So yeah, yeah,
that's where the worst of the damage has happened, just
from the how quickly it did turn up.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
What's the clean up time looked like for you then?
I mean, because right now you'll just be looking at
this and I guess saying, where do I start?
Speaker 6 (14:41):
Well, exactly, we've got eight days until the cows come
back from grazing, and half the farms, you know, just
a mess at the moment, covered in salt and gravel
and trees.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
And we've got no fenses.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
So it's going to be quite a big job. It's
probably six to eight months, i'd say, to be able
to actually get it it cleaned up to you know,
to the point.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
That was before.
Speaker 6 (15:02):
We've got we've got four or five biggers here near
like trying to get the water to go back in
the creek because it's a wood into the Wiping River.
It's still cut a channel through the farm, so that
they're trying to dig it out and make a channel
big enough to be able to get the water to
flow back into the river. And we've got a bulldozer
and some dump trucks on their way to start carting
some shingle and to build the tracks back up.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
When you get a dump of rain like that, that's
three hundred mills and that past is still sitting underwater,
how what's the recovery period for that feed.
Speaker 6 (15:35):
I would say most of it will need like working
up and receding because it's got such a big layer
of celt on top. The petics that have just had
some like stagnant water on and they've gone away. They'll
probably find in a few weeks, but it's you know,
it's the pasture that's covered and celt and stuff that
isn't going to bounced back, So probably a third of
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the farm we'll need regrassing. And all of our petics
are like wheat peddics, and I've all got overflow drains
to open drains, and all the open trains have been
filled up with shingle and gravel as well now, so
we've got a massive job just trying to get the
drainage working again.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
We're talking with Adam mcmanaway's schoolhouse dairies owner with his
partner wife down there in Kaikura with the flood banks burst.
What consumes does this raise for you for the future?
You know, like as you said, you know you think
you have capability to handle up to maybe two hundred meals,
but then three hundred miles comes. I mean, what's your
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sort of long term view.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
Well, we're going to have a massive loss of production
for the season because there's going to be so much
leand out of commission. So our biggest thing at the
moment is just trying to get a couple of peddocks
set up so at least in eight days time when
all the cows come back to the day film, we've
got somewhere to put them. And we've got taken out
the waterlines and irrigation lines and everything else, so we've
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got to try and start getting the you know, the
main infrastry actually back up and running a couple of
bridges back and so we can actually get the cows
to the core shed from the peddock. That's probably our
main thing to try and you know, get started on
and then just try and fix the other stuff as
we go.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Uh, support, what what sort of support is in place
sort of for you on a community level, local level,
local government level.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
We've had all the local farmers rung up because they've
sort of driven past and seen how bad our place
is and offer support and you know, their time and
labor to come and help us to try and revive
fences and things like that. So that's been really good.
With Head Empire ring to help to offer support. The
local council has a meeting with Ken this afternoon and
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they're going to do what they can as well. Local
contractors have given their support, so it has been really good.
The local community in Kaikura is awesome for for supporting
other people and I'm sure you know they're all going
to help.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Yeah, Adam as gut ranging as this is at the
moment for you, you do you know I can sort
of just see underpinning your attitude as you will be optimistic,
you will be resilient, and yeah, we wish you all
the very best for the next As you say, it
could be six to eight months before we get up
and running, and hopefully they'll be well the measures put
(18:24):
in place so that this doesn't happen to you again.
But we appreciate you taking your time to join us,
and we'll leave you to get to get on with
the job that is. Adam mcmanaway there from the schoolhouse
there is just out of a Kaikurral a big clean
up to happen after that. Three hundred mills could handle
one hundred and eighty to two hundred, but that's an
absolute brick in the head and we wish them and
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those who also been affected by the weather, including those
in the southern wider Rapi closer to Adam's dad Shane's
place over there, all the best with getting on with it.
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The partnership follows the show's return to its original Wednesday
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and aimed at strengthening its agricultural focus. The one hundred
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and sixty third show will be held from the eleventh
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welcoming farmers, growers, the rural community as well as the
wider community. And Jamie'll be catching up with Sir David
Carter about that hopefully next week because the country will
be there again this year and coming up next we have.
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Speaker 2 (20:01):
Yes, I'm a little bit neutral about this one. Switzerland,
the Big Columbia in a penalty shootout to make it
to the last eight and the animal himself, Leonel Messi
from too nil down, from two nil down they were
against Egypt. Argentina have come through to win three two.
Incredible result there at the FIFA World Cup and speculation
(20:23):
Bowden Barrett could be at fullback this weekend. Now he's
the best number twenty three the game is ever known,
in my opinion, and I think this reflects a bit
of an opportunity, maybe a bit like Scott Dixon going
to McLaren next season at IndyCar. This might be I'd
like to see Boden Barrath. You could see the rebirth
and the best utilization of him. MW at fullback for
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the all backs. That's our sport. This is the country.
Hatmis McKay in for JB mckaye on your Wednesday for
the rest of the week, which is in fact only
one more day with Matariki coming along on a Friday.
Hap you've got something good plan for that and those
that have taken a bashing with the weather, we'll get
have a bit of a respite by then, right, Okay,
(21:07):
GDT overnight and some well some figures that we sort
of haven't been used to seeing for a while. So
we're joined by a senior agricultural analysts for Rabobank. Emma Higgins, Emma,
welcome on to the show.
Speaker 8 (21:22):
Hey Haimo, how are you going?
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yeah? Great, thank you Hey. GDT down four point nine
percent and the biggest fall in two years. What can
we take from this?
Speaker 8 (21:34):
I think, Hamish, it was quite the reality check auction
for derry markets because what the GDT told us is
effectively that there's plenty of milk around globally and prices
have responded accordingly. And as you say, with the GDT
index trapping by almost five percent, a significant decline and
the largest that we're seen in a couple of years,
(21:55):
it certainly is speaking to those fundamentals when it comes
to abundant supply outweighing demand. And it's kind of a
core message that we've been talking about for a while now.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Yes, so that's been bubbling under for a while, right,
So how long do you think the supply at these
levels is likely to continue?
Speaker 8 (22:18):
Well, it's an interesting question because we have just recently
reviewed our expectations when it comes to the big seven
milk producing regions, so that it's New Zealand, it's Australia,
it's also our friends in the northern hemisphere including Europe
and the US, and then a couple from South America
as well. And it's quite interesting because we think that
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milk supply is likely to slow down from quarter three
this year if we cumulatively look at those big seven
regions as a whole. But Hamish what's been really interesting
is that we've been seeing it here in the headlines
here in New Zealand. On the other side of the world,
we've got a massive heat wave taking place, particularly in
core parts of Europe, and we start to hear reports
(23:00):
of heat stress coming through impacts on production when it
comes to grass and other fodder. And so what's going
to be really interesting is I think we're going to
see that milk supply data starts tighten up quite quickly
in some of those European regions in the coming weeks.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
So I guess I mean, is distressing as it is
for them in terms of New Zealand's competitiveness and demand
for our product, then that's a positive and we shouldn't
get too overly concerned by this big drop overnight. Yeah.
Speaker 8 (23:35):
Look, I think what we're seeing is a reflection of
we've talked about the global supply picture here in New
Zealand we have also contributed to that. We've just ended
the twenty five to twenty six season, we hit a
new record when it comes to milk supply and we've
busted across that threshold or that marker of two billion
kilograms of milk solids. So New Zealand's had a part.
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And while we are moving into that put action or
hiatus now what tends to happen is we start to
see increasing volumes starting to be added onto the GDT
and that's also another part.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
Of the picture.
Speaker 8 (24:11):
So what we've got now is an interesting mix and
to answer your question, will be we think supportive by
the end of the year as we do start to
see that milk production data tighten up. While we wouldn't
wish ill on anyone in the DNA farming industry, obviously
it could be quite helpful for prices here in New
Zealand by the end of the year.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
We're talking to Emma Higgins, a senior agricultural analyst for Rabobank.
The one thing that I feel as an observer of
the primary sector of the ag sector, Emma, is that
there is a good level of confidence, not a level
of cockiness. But when we think about things like this
(24:53):
supply situation that you talk about from quarter three onwards,
and you know, if we look at the red meat
industry the demand there, there is room to be okay
with the banking on a bit of longevity.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
You know.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
It's not like we feel like we're in the middle
of something that can just a graph that can go
up and down at a rated knots. There is some
consistency there, I guess, is what I'm trying to say
in a long worded kind of way.
Speaker 8 (25:18):
Yeah, for sure. I mean we've seen you know, a
couple of seasons now where prahases have been you know,
either good to really great. We have also seen our
friends in animal protein space also have their schedule press
refuting some good demand as well. And so it is
broadly speaking, you know, quite a positive environment out there
(25:40):
and the farming scene. And I think the challenge is
hamish really that while revenue is one side of the equation,
on the other side we've.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Got the costs.
Speaker 8 (25:48):
And I think probably that's where the element of caution
is coming in, because if I have to kind of
rub off that crystal ball, I think we're probably going
to see a little bit of pressure coming through farmgate
milk price potentially over the next you know or so,
as we do start to see these strong volumes from
New Zealand being added onto the GDT potentially, and that
(26:11):
brings uption around cost and margin right because unfortunately the
impacts of the straight up homewors is certainly still lingering
here in New Zealand. And while it's great that we've
seen the boards, when it comes to diesel moving direction downwards,
we're probably still get to feel the full effects from
the beginning of this year coming through broadly in terms
(26:33):
of the cost based and certainly in that fertilizer space
as well. So the margin piece is the real question.
I think that all eyes are on right now for
the twenty six to twenty season season. We do think
it's going to be profitable, but I think the biggest
takeaway is that it's not going to be smooth sailing
this season.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Great, there we go, Ama, I hope you got anything
planned for the shorter week or you know, flat out.
Speaker 8 (26:57):
Well, it's still holidays famous, so we're in survival mode. Yes,
I am looking forward to having an extra day off
to enjoy it in peace.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
I remember those days. Well, great stuff. He thank you
very much for joining us. There we go. That is yeah,
thank you. Emmahigan, Senior agricultural analyst with Rubber Bank, and
you are listening to the country. We'll be checking out
some innovation next.
Speaker 7 (27:21):
He comes.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Yes, twelve forty two Innovation Week with heard I, and
we will be talking AI. That is coming up next
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Speaker 1 (27:42):
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Speaker 2 (27:51):
This is the country Innovation Week with heard I. Great
to have your company today, and we've talked about some
incredible things over the week, but I guess the topic
that keeps coming up, and you know, I've reached the
stage of my life where I know that AI is
going to be very important to my longevity and productivity
(28:12):
and certainly is going to be on farm now. Brian
Delarue is research engineer at Dairy en Z based out
of the Mighty Wakeout. I grew up on a wakeout
a dairy farm, knows the drill and is an expert
in this field. Brian, good afternoon, Welcome into the country.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
Hi, hey, mich How are you doing today, Yeah, not
so much an expert and AI, but we're working with
farmers around that space.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Yeah yeah, well you know a bit about it, you know,
I think, and the fact that it's the ability to
deliver it in an understandable, comprehensible and useful way. I
think the farmers is I guess what we're sort of
looking at here. How are farmers embracing this new technology
to date?
Speaker 5 (28:56):
Well, many of the technologies that farmers already using have
i AI built in, but it's still early days. The
farmers sort of using AI technologies themselves. So some some
farmers are using catbots and other tools, but they probably
using is a fairly simple way in the moment, but
there are some who are really skilled and look that
they're writing their own code. So some of the common
(29:16):
uses of technology include just general farming questions and problem solving.
So that might be searching out relevant information, say feed
planning or transitioning your cows onto crop, and you want
to know the real details of how to do that. Well,
business admin like we all do you know, drafting emails,
reviewing contracts, you know, summarizing farm data and comparing products
(29:40):
or fixing, fixing equipment and pulling up the right information,
but also operational uses, creating instructions by s ops, better spreadsheets,
using AI to correct those formulas. And then farmers are
actually finding AI really useful in the people space HR
advice and particularly like recruiting people. Now it can create
(30:02):
the job descriptions, the interview questions, help you review your
notes so you're trying to pick the right person for
the job.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
You've got Yep, great stuff, and in so much of
that's so helpful, and so much of that's so time consuming, Brian,
But you don't. You don't have to barter write the code.
I mean, that's nice if you've got the time and
the ability to do that, but really, if that's ten
out of ten on the AI uptake scale, you can
(30:28):
still be at three or four and get a hell
of a lot of benefit.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
I absolutely love the opportunity. You know, tell it what
you want with some real context around it, and it'll
chat away with you till it gets enough information to
give you a really good response. So that's the beauty
of it.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
I think you.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
Don't need to be great with software, just use your
farming knowledge and experience and what you want to get
something really good back.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Look, the word opportunity just bounces off the walls with
us one, doesn't it. Yeah, just endless opportunity to get
the uptake there as the opportunity is there, and then
what are the barriers to not taking advantage of that?
Speaker 5 (31:11):
Well, well, some of the barriers, I guess maybe less
about farmer capability because I think training become easily available.
AI is already really good at chatting through those scenarios
of farmers.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
As I've just mentioned.
Speaker 5 (31:25):
It's tell me more about access to good quality AI
ready data. And one of the biggest challenges around that,
I guess is data ownership. You know, what data do
the farmers have that they're actually allowed to use and
integrate with other farm technology data? So you know, technology
companies understandably and put a huge investment in their software
and they don't want to lose control of that data
(31:47):
at the stage. So you know, DARIANS is likely to
have a role in there by clarifying data ownership, demonstrating
the value where farmers can can gain through integrating that
data across the farm, and advocating for the sort of appropriate.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Data access for farmers.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
With the sector industry.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
What are some of the things theory in z is
doing in a space to help farmers progress. What's some
of the sort of concrete plays that are in action.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
Yeah, well, we see AI as a real opportunity for farmers,
you know, improve those workplaces, improve your decision making and
lead to more attractive jobs and profitable farms and the
sort of things that we're doing. And we've got a
bit of work to do getting our resources AI ready
so they can be more widely used, and that includes
improving Daisy, our web chatbot, to make it really easy
for farmers to get really trusted information on all topics
(32:37):
when they need it. You know, I really think Daisy
is that ideal starting point for farmers to get familiar
with using AI. If you read the next version next
issue of Inside Dairy, there's a comparison between Daisy in
a common chat bot whereas asked a question on nitrogen use,
and you'll see that it's really important to have good
(32:59):
comprehensive day to give a good response back that's useful
to farmers. I'm currently involved in a new science project
working with two groups of farmers in Waikato and Canterbury
to build the farmer AI capability and to be share
those learnings at all farmers. So it's farmers learning for
farmers on solutions that they see is valuable. So we've
(33:20):
got in the groups, we've got a range of AI
experience from very little to very skilled. You know, we're
starting off on the one oh ones of AI, like
how it works, predicting the next word, incentives data security,
that's important. AI hallucinations. It does make mistakes, so you
do have to sense check things and the value of
(33:40):
good prompts to be able to get good information back.
So we'll be giving them some technical support learning about
the challenges and benefits of AI and their farms.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Yep, fantastic. There we go, Brian, have a great rest
of your day and thank you very much for joining
us at as Brian Delarue, who's research engineer at dairy
In's Head based out of Hamilton, grew up on a
kadow dairy farmer, knows the drill and doing some great
work in the AI space with our farmers. This is
the country. I'm Hamish mckuy in for Jamie McKay, wrapping
(34:19):
up the country for your Wednesday. I'm Hamish McKay great
to ved your company this week. We'll do it all
again tomorrow. Thank you too, young Adam mcmanaway out of
our schoolhouse, dearies down there in Kokura, for taking his
time out from the big cleanup that he and his
team and the local community have following the bursting of
those stop banks on his property and neighboring property and
(34:41):
houses all affected by that down in that area. I
think back to my own time on the farm and
kind of like, yeah, you sometimes get a little bit
blase a because we've seeing so much of this around
the country. But yeah, thoughts and kind wishes to everybody
affected there and across other parts of the country as well.
(35:01):
GDT just keeping an eye on that. We don't look.
The word from our senior agricultural analyst at Rabobank, Emma Higgins,
is that you know, it's not panic station's time, but
keep a weather eye on things there. Four point nine
percent the GDT big dropping. The cheddar was down by
about twelve percent, But of course we keep main and
(35:23):
eye on the whole milk powder, so we'll keep a
weather eye on that. But not time to hit the
panic button yet. But Margins right, Michelle Watt MW Executive producer.
That's the thing, isn't it. Because it's all very well
to be sort of sitting on these good farm gate returns,
But our costs are right up there, my friend, aren't they.
They don't seem to be backing off.
Speaker 7 (35:43):
No, although the price of diesel and fuels coming down,
so that's got to be a good sign. And yeah,
to be honest, the oil price is done, it's done.
Good things for wool. People are coming back to wall
which is because synthetic products are obviously a little bit
more expensive. So that's you know, there's always a silver
lining in some ways, isn't there?
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Yeah, I suppose when I talk about the margins and
of the prices. Though the diesel prices are coming back
to where they were still quite expensive previously, but they
are not at that sort of the mister Trump affected
kind of a level that they've got to will love
in my wallace or a beautiful blanket though might even
go online and buy today five kilograms of lambs will
from the Ruinous station out of tie Happy there. Absolutely
(36:22):
brilliant to see. Good to chat to the Prime Minister
as well. Brian delarrue I quickly mentioned We've got about
forty five seconds for this the AI, because that's your jam,
isn't it. You were right into that at university, so
you're a bit of an expert, not an expert.
Speaker 7 (36:36):
I did psychology and a part of that was studying
artificial intelligence. So it's interesting seeing it move forward, and
I think it's going to be there a while and
we need to learn to use it and not fear it.
But it's all about learning about it first.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Yeah, great grateful diagnostics, but still that type of I
don't know. I think we're only scraping the surface. But
we don't want to get too overawed by it, do
it because potentially the.
Speaker 7 (37:00):
Huge absolutely it still needs humans to operate it, So
don't forget that.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Yeah, I've better wrap up because I know you want
to go home and watch the Tour Tour de France highlights.
I know that you'll be you'll you'll be all over
that like a rash. This has been the country Hamers
McKay and for Jamie McKay will do it all again tomorrow.
Thank you to Michelle's taking to produce of the show.
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Speaker 8 (38:12):
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Speaker 4 (38:16):
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to have you here with us cracking show ahead, although
I can't promise the excitement of Argentina three Egypt two
Leonel Messi. The bloke is a did sit animal. That's
how he was described by one of his former teammates.
In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if he gets a
roll in Dutton Ranch in the next series. Is an Argentina.
(01:00):
Argentinian cattle breeder you know that wears something around is
middle and a holster. You know. The bloke is unbelievable.
What an assassin from two kneel down? Incredible?
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Right.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
We'll kick the show off very shortly with a very
busy Prime Minister Christopher A luxen coming up. We head
to Kaikura, Ada mcmanaway local dairy farmer and what's happening
there right now, Emma Higgins, Senior agricultural analyst at a Rabobank.
Some great insight coming up on the GDT correction in
(01:35):
the latest figures and results their correction or drop or
what should we be looking for going forward off the
back of that and Innovation week AI like it or not,
it's here to stay and it can be a beautiful thing.
We'll have a look at that as well. Right Christopher
Luxen is standing by on the country. Prime Minister Christoph
(02:02):
Luxan joins us now, Prime Minister, Good afternoon.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Good afternoon, hamersh. How are you still on the tools
this week?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah? I am.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
I am.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
In fact, I'm cranking along hotter than a smoking pistol. I'm,
you know, feeling pretty good. Jamie can have another week
off if he wants to, but no, no, thoroughly enjoying.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
It in the Barossa Valley.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Yeah, somewhere like that. You know, I don't have a
glass of red or something associated.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
In Australian chere or something.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Probably the classy man that he is, Marsden points.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
You and I are both working hard here.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah, well exactly we are. And you you have been
busy up in the Far North yesterday Marsden Point, you
out there with young Lloyd but and the team up
in that part of the world.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Yeah, it was great, Actually it was really good.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
I looking up McCullum as well, and we were I
was actually wanted to go check out Marsden Point. You know,
we'd spent twenty two million dollars refurbishing a fuel tank
up there that gives us nine days worth of extra
diesel and honestly, Hamers should be so proud. I mean,
like the amount. You know, we gave these guys a challenge.
They went from go to woe within nine days, went
within nine weeks actually, and we've actually got nine days
(03:04):
worth of extra stores there now. So the tanks are
in great condition. But just the engineers, the contractors, the
team that we had up there was just incredibly just
reminded that this country can do big things at speed
and we want to with some very talented people making
it happen.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah, not fantastic. That's good that that is happening up there.
Kaikura though sort of opposite end of the scale. I
know that Mark Mitchell is who's a busy man and
reading the herald today and an even busier man with
a few extra responsibilities of the country. But he's down there.
I mean that's first and foremost. So let's deal with
what matter is really there, the weather there, which has
(03:39):
been yet not great.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Yeah, he's a great emergency management minister because you like
the deal I have with markets that he goes to
the location as quickly and as early as possible, gets
on board with the mayor, so we actually get local
government central government working together. Saves and Omaru earlier in
the week, which obviously was hit pretty hard on La Tucky,
and then he's been he's actually in Blend. I'm trying
(04:03):
to get down to kai Kora, but State Highway one
was closed as he got down there yesterday and had
to return back. But yeah, the images in kai Kora
don't look great. The Maya has done a fantastic job,
I think, you know, in getting things organized, giving the
local civil defense responsor in place. But yeah, there's a
couple of bridges that will need replacing to keep that working.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
So yeah, so.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
We'll uh, he'll have all he'll get down there and
survey the damage and have more to say about it
this morning, which would be good.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Ye Uh. The Prime moti'n.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Found that Hamish is just for the listeners, you know.
Is what's been good this time? You know, we've run
into challenges in the past where people get a bit
gung ho and decide to drive through floodwater and often
cars and get swept away and people lose their lives.
And I think what's actually been good is the downside
or the upside. Only upside of these sort of events
that we've been having is that A we're getting much
(04:54):
much better at the response, you know, we're we'recalling things
much earlier, and B people are getting prepared at home
with emergency supplies. And see I think people are stopping.
You have actually started to stop and everything and say actually,
don't do anything stupid, you know, you know, watch what
you're doing.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Yeah, at one percent Prime Minister mode. He's visited on
the weekend. I do want to have a little bit
of self indulgence here. I know, my uncle David McDowell
was a former ambassador and he's into the u N.
And he was actually head of Jim Bold's Prime Minister
department for a while and had a big connection to
the yeah, to the Indian and that part of the world.
So he'll be very I'll be interested to get his
(05:30):
view on this. But it's it's a it's a big thing,
isn't It's a big occasion.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
It's a really big occasion. It's a pretty historification. You'll know,
and you'll know as well that we haven't made a
prime minister from India in New Zealand for over forty years.
And the fact that he's coming is when he's a
busy guy, is just the strength of the.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Relationship I think that we've built over the last two years.
So you know, it's going to be a good visit.
It's going to be a quick visit.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
So he'll be arriving on Friday evening and then.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Sort of here with us all Saturday. We'll have our.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Formal governments to government sort of conversations in the morning.
Around lunchtime, will be showcasing a lot of what the
business opportunities are, So I'll be showcasing a lot of
the sectors to him across our economy. We've got some
great people involved with that, and we've got business people
on both sides from India and New Zealand spending the
morning together talking about what they can how they can
work together. He's always had an interest in sports because
(06:18):
India wants to ultimately host an Olympic Games, and so
he's quite interested in how high performance sport approach. So
we're going to showcase a little bit of that to
him as well. And then and then in the evening
we have a massive community event at Spark Arena, which
will be fantastic because we've got a very diverse Indian
community here in New Zealand and assist important to celebrate
the contribution they've made to many sectors include including agriculture
(06:39):
and farming.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, fantastic. I won't I won't dwell on this too much,
but when you talk about the Olympics in sport and
some of these Indian athletes that are coming through, you know,
we know they can bowl fast, but they've got a
couple of guys who are like javelin throwers and things
who are next level. I mean, you know, if sport
like Olympic sports take off in that country, oh it'll
be yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
I think Hamish they went to Paris shouldn't have better
than me. But I thought they went to Paris, and
I thought they won sort of like five silvers in
a bronze. And when you think about a country of
one and a half billion people, the biggest country on Earth,
I think that's question which is, well, how do you
on a per capita basis sort of get to the
top of the table. Typically in New Zealand, lots of
gold medals prepared a population pretty high, and yet we've
(07:22):
got a mess of population. Yet we haven't got a
system that's delivering athletes that can win gold medals yet.
So you know that's and they will, as you say,
they've got incredible talent there, and you've got such a
large population. Are the incredible feats of athleticism in that country?
But how do you organize it? How do you find
spot the talent? How do you develop that talent? You know,
what technology do you use? Those kinds of things. I
(07:44):
think he's quite curious about.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yeah, great, I'm not going to play putting the tail
on the donkey with the ICA's that's coming up a
little later on. We'll avoid that. Yeah, but I do.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
I think the only thing is that, Yeah, that is
a decision for the Reserve Bank. And the thing that
I have the miment is that as the spending and
the revenue. And we've had some pretty good results in
recent weeks about economy strengthening, which is and more than
people four, which is good stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah, and we need to make more of that, I
think across the general media. I'm going to just make
that claim right here and now. Fertilizer, why is the
synthetic nitrogen the banning the greens? I mean, it doesn't
feel like there's a whole lot of homework gone under
this and you know.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Yeah, it's not even worth discussing, mate, it's tail.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Utter insanity, you know, you know, stop banning fertilizer and
coloring cows seriously, you know, you know, I think organic
fertilizer is twenty five percent lower yields and what I
see and synthetic fertilizer, So what are you saying you're
going to kill You're going to knock off a quarter
of our income. The Zealand as poor as a result
of that, and that ain't happening. So but look, Jeed
underscores the risk of the other side, you know, I mean, seriously,
(08:47):
you have Hipkins's Prime Minister, closed Warbrookers Finance Minister and
Madam and Davison's your Environment Minister and Agriculture Minister. Sounds
like it that ain't ain't going to be pretty so,
so that's why we've got to get out there and
get the job done.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
November.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Ye, now you've been away to you caught up with
the Young Farmer of the FMG Young Farmer the a
t Riodar and our new winner over the Year in
the Naki on the weekend.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Yeah, it was great. I mean I try and get
down there every year.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Sometimes with travel schedules I can't, but it was great
to be back down there and your plumouth. Last when
i'd gone to I think was Timuru a couple of
years back. And the thing I'd really love to see
is I'd love to see TVMs televised that event. You know,
like when I grew up as a kid, you have
you know, the city Kid on christ Church. But you know,
it was compulsory viewing to watch a Young Farmer of
the Year and the skills of these young people is amazing.
(09:39):
And that's the point I've always been making about agriculture
is that.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
It doesn't matter.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
There's so many different avenues you can get into in
this in the sector in this industry as a young
person setting up, wanting to build a career, and so
I reckon we should get a televise, And I'm sort
of trying to push that point pretty strongly because you
look at Country Calendar, a number one rank show in
the country. You look at Nadia's Farm, you look at
Clarkson Farm and how popular those shows are, and I
(10:02):
just think we'd help bridge Aggie in that urban rural divide,
which frankly, I don't think is as strong as people
make up to be. I think I talk agriculture in
the cities all the time, and people have got huge
respect for farmers now.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Which is great.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
May not have been a case a while ago, but
they do now, which is great.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
And I could nominate a Chisel jaw Son of the
Mantle too, who could probably be quite good at hosting
it too, But that's another story. Prime Minister. You're going
to catch the You got to catch the rugby this weekend,
Martin Riki, I guess Friday. But then you've got a
fairly important visitor as well to fit in.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Yeah, I've got I've got a very important visitor.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
I'll be spending two days with full full on and
but I'll try and catch it at some point.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
I thought the France game was great.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
At I thought the whole competition last weekend across you
know the Wallabys game, you know Argentina Scotland with Argentine Scotland.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
As it was. Yeah, so I watched all the highlights
of that.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
But I mean I thought it was some pretty high
scoring games and some pretty good rugby and in close games,
which is great.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Yeah, I just want one one last. I want to
ask about it extra responsibility around security and Intelligence with
Mark Mitchell and how it's sort of framed up as
I read it today that it's your workload. But I
would have thought another set of eyes is quite handy.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
Look, I mean we've got Chris Pink who WOS learn
is responsible for the agencies, which is the SIS.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
And the GCSB.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
I'm the Minister for Intelligence and Security. That's a big
part of my job. I'm in. There is a lot,
but I also want to modernize quite a lot of
our legislation around that. I want to do that in
a bipartisan way, working with other parties, and I want
Mark to support that work as well. And because of
some of the counter terrorism stuff that he gets involved
in through police. It's just a sensible thing to have
(11:40):
between myself leading at Chris Pink leading agencies and Mark supporting.
It's a good combination priming.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Us a busy few days ahead. Thank you very much
for joining us on the country.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Pleasure mate, you take care of good day, Jelia.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Thank you very much to the PM. Now next up
here on the country eighteen minutes up to midday twelve eighteen,
we're going to head to kai Kura. Yesterday, of course
we were. We heard from Shane mcmanaway out of the
Wider Rapper who was trying to get a hold of
his son Adam, who's a local dairy farmer down there
in kai Kura and was having some trouble. Obviously things
(12:17):
were turning pear shape down there. Today we have been
able to we're standing by to get ahold of Adam
mcmanaway and to have a chat there and catch up
with the latest down there in the state of emergency
area of Kaikurra that's coming up on the country where
this is the country. Well, yesterday, of course it was
(12:38):
all unfolding all on panning down there on at kai
Kura on the east coast top of the South Ireland.
We're going to head there now to on the owners
of a schoolhouse dairy's just out of kai Kurral where
the floodbanks burst. Adam mcmanaway joins us now local farmer
down there, Adam, thank you for joining us. How are
(12:59):
things looking for you today? Not too good.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
We've got a big clean up ahead of us to
try and sort everything else, to try and get the
gairy firm back operational. Just a big mess with gravel,
trees and fence lines and things to fix. Tracks have
washed away and the bridges are missing.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
How wide is the damage in the community? You mean,
how many other farms would you say have been hit
like you have none?
Speaker 6 (13:28):
We've got one next door, Simn Maple, and he's got
Lukes Creek that runs through his place.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
But we've got Luke's Creek.
Speaker 6 (13:33):
Middle Creek into the Wyming that all meet up at
our farm.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
So there all three of them burst. The beans.
Speaker 6 (13:39):
Middle Creek did it in like three places and the
Wyming did it in about three or four and took
out the stock bent completely. So we're probably the worst.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
We're at the lowest.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
Point of the flat, so everything kind of ends up
running through our property. But there's lots of houses that
got evacuated and maybe had like a meter of water
run through the houses, lots of like wheat paddocks and
mudd everywhere.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
We knew some weather was coming, but how quickly did
this come in?
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Really?
Speaker 2 (14:07):
And you know the actual effect of the actual actuality
of it happening.
Speaker 6 (14:11):
We did have two to three days of warning, but
like the rivers and the creeks around here can probably
only handle eighty to one hundred and twenty miles of
rain in a twenty four hour period, and we got
three hundred, so it was just way too much for
them to be able to contain them. So yeah, yeah,
that's where the worst of the damage has happened, just
from the how quickly it did turn up.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
What's the clean up time looked like for you then?
I mean, because right now you'll just be looking at
this and I guess saying, where do I start?
Speaker 6 (14:41):
Well, exactly, we've got eight days until the cows come
back from grazing, and half the farms, you know, just
a mess at the moment, covered in salt and gravel
and trees.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
And we've got no fenses.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
So it's going to be quite a big job. It's
probably six to eight months, i'd say, to be able
to actually get it it cleaned up to you know,
to the point.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
That was before.
Speaker 6 (15:02):
We've got we've got four or five biggers here near
like trying to get the water to go back in
the creek because it's a wood into the Wiping River.
It's still cut a channel through the farm, so that
they're trying to dig it out and make a channel
big enough to be able to get the water to
flow back into the river. And we've got a bulldozer
and some dump trucks on their way to start carting
some shingle and to build the tracks back up.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
When you get a dump of rain like that, that's
three hundred mills and that past is still sitting underwater,
how what's the recovery period for that feed.
Speaker 6 (15:35):
I would say most of it will need like working
up and receding because it's got such a big layer
of celt on top. The petics that have just had
some like stagnant water on and they've gone away. They'll
probably find in a few weeks, but it's you know,
it's the pasture that's covered and celt and stuff that
isn't going to bounced back, So probably a third of
(15:55):
the farm we'll need regrassing. And all of our petics
are like wheat peddics, and I've all got overflow drains
to open drains, and all the open trains have been
filled up with shingle and gravel as well now, so
we've got a massive job just trying to get the
drainage working again.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
We're talking with Adam mcmanaway's schoolhouse dairies owner with his
partner wife down there in Kaikura with the flood banks burst.
What consumes does this raise for you for the future?
You know, like as you said, you know you think
you have capability to handle up to maybe two hundred meals,
but then three hundred miles comes. I mean, what's your
(16:32):
sort of long term view.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
Well, we're going to have a massive loss of production
for the season because there's going to be so much
leand out of commission. So our biggest thing at the
moment is just trying to get a couple of peddocks
set up so at least in eight days time when
all the cows come back to the day film, we've
got somewhere to put them. And we've got taken out
the waterlines and irrigation lines and everything else, so we've
(16:57):
got to try and start getting the you know, the
main infrastry actually back up and running a couple of
bridges back and so we can actually get the cows
to the core shed from the peddock. That's probably our
main thing to try and you know, get started on
and then just try and fix the other stuff as
we go.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Uh, support, what what sort of support is in place
sort of for you on a community level, local level,
local government level.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
We've had all the local farmers rung up because they've
sort of driven past and seen how bad our place
is and offer support and you know, their time and
labor to come and help us to try and revive
fences and things like that. So that's been really good.
With Head Empire ring to help to offer support. The
local council has a meeting with Ken this afternoon and
(17:44):
they're going to do what they can as well. Local
contractors have given their support, so it has been really good.
The local community in Kaikura is awesome for for supporting
other people and I'm sure you know they're all going
to help.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Yeah, Adam as gut ranging as this is at the
moment for you, you do you know I can sort
of just see underpinning your attitude as you will be optimistic,
you will be resilient, and yeah, we wish you all
the very best for the next As you say, it
could be six to eight months before we get up
and running, and hopefully they'll be well the measures put
(18:24):
in place so that this doesn't happen to you again.
But we appreciate you taking your time to join us,
and we'll leave you to get to get on with
the job that is. Adam mcmanaway there from the schoolhouse
there is just out of a Kaikurral a big clean
up to happen after that. Three hundred mills could handle
one hundred and eighty to two hundred, but that's an
absolute brick in the head and we wish them and
(18:44):
those who also been affected by the weather, including those
in the southern wider Rapi closer to Adam's dad Shane's
place over there, all the best with getting on with it.
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(21:07):
GDT overnight and some well some figures that we sort
of haven't been used to seeing for a while. So
we're joined by a senior agricultural analysts for Rabobank. Emma Higgins, Emma,
welcome on to the show.
Speaker 8 (21:22):
Hey Haimo, how are you going?
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yeah? Great, thank you Hey. GDT down four point nine
percent and the biggest fall in two years. What can
we take from this?
Speaker 8 (21:34):
I think, Hamish, it was quite the reality check auction
for derry markets because what the GDT told us is
effectively that there's plenty of milk around globally and prices
have responded accordingly. And as you say, with the GDT
index trapping by almost five percent, a significant decline and
the largest that we're seen in a couple of years,
(21:55):
it certainly is speaking to those fundamentals when it comes
to abundant supply outweighing demand. And it's kind of a
core message that we've been talking about for a while now.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Yes, so that's been bubbling under for a while, right,
So how long do you think the supply at these
levels is likely to continue?
Speaker 8 (22:18):
Well, it's an interesting question because we have just recently
reviewed our expectations when it comes to the big seven
milk producing regions, so that it's New Zealand, it's Australia,
it's also our friends in the northern hemisphere including Europe
and the US, and then a couple from South America
as well. And it's quite interesting because we think that
(22:38):
milk supply is likely to slow down from quarter three
this year if we cumulatively look at those big seven
regions as a whole. But Hamish what's been really interesting
is that we've been seeing it here in the headlines
here in New Zealand. On the other side of the world,
we've got a massive heat wave taking place, particularly in
core parts of Europe, and we start to hear reports
(23:00):
of heat stress coming through impacts on production when it
comes to grass and other fodder. And so what's going
to be really interesting is I think we're going to
see that milk supply data starts tighten up quite quickly
in some of those European regions in the coming weeks.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
So I guess I mean, is distressing as it is
for them in terms of New Zealand's competitiveness and demand
for our product, then that's a positive and we shouldn't
get too overly concerned by this big drop overnight. Yeah.
Speaker 8 (23:35):
Look, I think what we're seeing is a reflection of
we've talked about the global supply picture here in New
Zealand we have also contributed to that. We've just ended
the twenty five to twenty six season, we hit a
new record when it comes to milk supply and we've
busted across that threshold or that marker of two billion
kilograms of milk solids. So New Zealand's had a part.
(23:58):
And while we are moving into that put action or
hiatus now what tends to happen is we start to
see increasing volumes starting to be added onto the GDT
and that's also another part.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
Of the picture.
Speaker 8 (24:11):
So what we've got now is an interesting mix and
to answer your question, will be we think supportive by
the end of the year as we do start to
see that milk production data tighten up. While we wouldn't
wish ill on anyone in the DNA farming industry, obviously
it could be quite helpful for prices here in New
Zealand by the end of the year.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
We're talking to Emma Higgins, a senior agricultural analyst for Rabobank.
The one thing that I feel as an observer of
the primary sector of the ag sector, Emma, is that
there is a good level of confidence, not a level
of cockiness. But when we think about things like this
(24:53):
supply situation that you talk about from quarter three onwards,
and you know, if we look at the red meat
industry the demand there, there is room to be okay
with the banking on a bit of longevity.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
You know.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
It's not like we feel like we're in the middle
of something that can just a graph that can go
up and down at a rated knots. There is some
consistency there, I guess, is what I'm trying to say
in a long worded kind of way.
Speaker 8 (25:18):
Yeah, for sure. I mean we've seen you know, a
couple of seasons now where prahases have been you know,
either good to really great. We have also seen our
friends in animal protein space also have their schedule press
refuting some good demand as well. And so it is
broadly speaking, you know, quite a positive environment out there
(25:40):
and the farming scene. And I think the challenge is
hamish really that while revenue is one side of the equation,
on the other side we've.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Got the costs.
Speaker 8 (25:48):
And I think probably that's where the element of caution
is coming in, because if I have to kind of
rub off that crystal ball, I think we're probably going
to see a little bit of pressure coming through farmgate
milk price potentially over the next you know or so,
as we do start to see these strong volumes from
New Zealand being added onto the GDT potentially, and that
(26:11):
brings uption around cost and margin right because unfortunately the
impacts of the straight up homewors is certainly still lingering
here in New Zealand. And while it's great that we've
seen the boards, when it comes to diesel moving direction downwards,
we're probably still get to feel the full effects from
the beginning of this year coming through broadly in terms
(26:33):
of the cost based and certainly in that fertilizer space
as well. So the margin piece is the real question.
I think that all eyes are on right now for
the twenty six to twenty season season. We do think
it's going to be profitable, but I think the biggest
takeaway is that it's not going to be smooth sailing
this season.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Great, there we go, Ama, I hope you got anything
planned for the shorter week or you know, flat out.
Speaker 8 (26:57):
Well, it's still holidays famous, so we're in survival mode. Yes,
I am looking forward to having an extra day off
to enjoy it in peace.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
I remember those days. Well, great stuff. He thank you
very much for joining us. There we go. That is yeah,
thank you. Emmahigan, Senior agricultural analyst with Rubber Bank, and
you are listening to the country. We'll be checking out
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This is the country Innovation Week with heard I. Great
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that keeps coming up, and you know, I've reached the
stage of my life where I know that AI is
going to be very important to my longevity and productivity
(28:12):
and certainly is going to be on farm now. Brian
Delarue is research engineer at Dairy en Z based out
of the Mighty Wakeout. I grew up on a wakeout
a dairy farm, knows the drill and is an expert
in this field. Brian, good afternoon, Welcome into the country.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
Hi, hey, mich How are you doing today, Yeah, not
so much an expert and AI, but we're working with
farmers around that space.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Yeah yeah, well you know a bit about it, you know,
I think, and the fact that it's the ability to
deliver it in an understandable, comprehensible and useful way. I
think the farmers is I guess what we're sort of
looking at here. How are farmers embracing this new technology
to date?
Speaker 5 (28:56):
Well, many of the technologies that farmers already using have
i AI built in, but it's still early days. The
farmers sort of using AI technologies themselves. So some some
farmers are using catbots and other tools, but they probably
using is a fairly simple way in the moment, but
there are some who are really skilled and look that
they're writing their own code. So some of the common
(29:16):
uses of technology include just general farming questions and problem solving.
So that might be searching out relevant information, say feed
planning or transitioning your cows onto crop, and you want
to know the real details of how to do that. Well,
business admin like we all do you know, drafting emails,
reviewing contracts, you know, summarizing farm data and comparing products
(29:40):
or fixing, fixing equipment and pulling up the right information,
but also operational uses, creating instructions by s ops, better spreadsheets,
using AI to correct those formulas. And then farmers are
actually finding AI really useful in the people space HR
advice and particularly like recruiting people. Now it can create
(30:02):
the job descriptions, the interview questions, help you review your
notes so you're trying to pick the right person for
the job.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
You've got Yep, great stuff, and in so much of
that's so helpful, and so much of that's so time consuming, Brian,
But you don't. You don't have to barter write the code.
I mean, that's nice if you've got the time and
the ability to do that, but really, if that's ten
out of ten on the AI uptake scale, you can
(30:28):
still be at three or four and get a hell
of a lot of benefit.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
I absolutely love the opportunity. You know, tell it what
you want with some real context around it, and it'll
chat away with you till it gets enough information to
give you a really good response. So that's the beauty
of it.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
I think you.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
Don't need to be great with software, just use your
farming knowledge and experience and what you want to get
something really good back.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Look, the word opportunity just bounces off the walls with
us one, doesn't it. Yeah, just endless opportunity to get
the uptake there as the opportunity is there, and then
what are the barriers to not taking advantage of that?
Speaker 5 (31:11):
Well, well, some of the barriers, I guess maybe less
about farmer capability because I think training become easily available.
AI is already really good at chatting through those scenarios
of farmers.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
As I've just mentioned.
Speaker 5 (31:25):
It's tell me more about access to good quality AI
ready data. And one of the biggest challenges around that,
I guess is data ownership. You know, what data do
the farmers have that they're actually allowed to use and
integrate with other farm technology data? So you know, technology
companies understandably and put a huge investment in their software
and they don't want to lose control of that data
(31:47):
at the stage. So you know, DARIANS is likely to
have a role in there by clarifying data ownership, demonstrating
the value where farmers can can gain through integrating that
data across the farm, and advocating for the sort of appropriate.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Data access for farmers.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
With the sector industry.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
What are some of the things theory in z is
doing in a space to help farmers progress. What's some
of the sort of concrete plays that are in action.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
Yeah, well, we see AI as a real opportunity for farmers,
you know, improve those workplaces, improve your decision making and
lead to more attractive jobs and profitable farms and the
sort of things that we're doing. And we've got a
bit of work to do getting our resources AI ready
so they can be more widely used, and that includes
improving Daisy, our web chatbot, to make it really easy
for farmers to get really trusted information on all topics
(32:37):
when they need it. You know, I really think Daisy
is that ideal starting point for farmers to get familiar
with using AI. If you read the next version next
issue of Inside Dairy, there's a comparison between Daisy in
a common chat bot whereas asked a question on nitrogen use,
and you'll see that it's really important to have good
(32:59):
comprehensive day to give a good response back that's useful
to farmers. I'm currently involved in a new science project
working with two groups of farmers in Waikato and Canterbury
to build the farmer AI capability and to be share
those learnings at all farmers. So it's farmers learning for
farmers on solutions that they see is valuable. So we've
(33:20):
got in the groups, we've got a range of AI
experience from very little to very skilled. You know, we're
starting off on the one oh ones of AI, like
how it works, predicting the next word, incentives data security,
that's important. AI hallucinations. It does make mistakes, so you
do have to sense check things and the value of
(33:40):
good prompts to be able to get good information back.
So we'll be giving them some technical support learning about
the challenges and benefits of AI and their farms.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Yep, fantastic. There we go, Brian, have a great rest
of your day and thank you very much for joining
us at as Brian Delarue, who's research engineer at dairy
In's Head based out of Hamilton, grew up on a
kadow dairy farmer, knows the drill and doing some great
work in the AI space with our farmers. This is
the country. I'm Hamish mckuy in for Jamie McKay, wrapping
(34:19):
up the country for your Wednesday. I'm Hamish McKay great
to ved your company this week. We'll do it all
again tomorrow. Thank you too, young Adam mcmanaway out of
our schoolhouse, dearies down there in Kokura, for taking his
time out from the big cleanup that he and his
team and the local community have following the bursting of
those stop banks on his property and neighboring property and
(34:41):
houses all affected by that down in that area. I
think back to my own time on the farm and
kind of like, yeah, you sometimes get a little bit
blase a because we've seeing so much of this around
the country. But yeah, thoughts and kind wishes to everybody
affected there and across other parts of the country as well.
(35:01):
GDT just keeping an eye on that. We don't look.
The word from our senior agricultural analyst at Rabobank, Emma Higgins,
is that you know, it's not panic station's time, but
keep a weather eye on things there. Four point nine
percent the GDT big dropping. The cheddar was down by
about twelve percent, But of course we keep main and
(35:23):
eye on the whole milk powder, so we'll keep a
weather eye on that. But not time to hit the
panic button yet. But Margins right, Michelle Watt MW Executive producer.
That's the thing, isn't it. Because it's all very well
to be sort of sitting on these good farm gate returns,
But our costs are right up there, my friend, aren't they.
They don't seem to be backing off.
Speaker 7 (35:43):
No, although the price of diesel and fuels coming down,
so that's got to be a good sign. And yeah,
to be honest, the oil price is done, it's done.
Good things for wool. People are coming back to wall
which is because synthetic products are obviously a little bit
more expensive. So that's you know, there's always a silver
lining in some ways, isn't there?
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Yeah, I suppose when I talk about the margins and
of the prices. Though the diesel prices are coming back
to where they were still quite expensive previously, but they
are not at that sort of the mister Trump affected
kind of a level that they've got to will love
in my wallace or a beautiful blanket though might even
go online and buy today five kilograms of lambs will
from the Ruinous station out of tie Happy there. Absolutely
(36:22):
brilliant to see. Good to chat to the Prime Minister
as well. Brian delarrue I quickly mentioned We've got about
forty five seconds for this the AI, because that's your jam,
isn't it. You were right into that at university, so
you're a bit of an expert, not an expert.
Speaker 7 (36:36):
I did psychology and a part of that was studying
artificial intelligence. So it's interesting seeing it move forward, and
I think it's going to be there a while and
we need to learn to use it and not fear it.
But it's all about learning about it first.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Yeah, great grateful diagnostics, but still that type of I
don't know. I think we're only scraping the surface. But
we don't want to get too overawed by it, do
it because potentially the.
Speaker 7 (37:00):
Huge absolutely it still needs humans to operate it, So
don't forget that.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Yeah, I've better wrap up because I know you want
to go home and watch the Tour Tour de France highlights.
I know that you'll be you'll you'll be all over
that like a rash. This has been the country Hamers
McKay and for Jamie McKay will do it all again tomorrow.
Thank you to Michelle's taking to produce of the show.
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