July 14, 2026 • 40 mins
Jamie Mackay talks to Todd McClay, Jane Smith, Tracy Brown, Jim Hopkins, and Lindy Nelson.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Catch all the latest from the land. It's the Country
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Speaker 2 (00:37):
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Speaker 3 (00:42):
Love Get a New Zealand. Good afternoon. I'm Jamie McKay.
This is the Country, brought to you by a sus
On Farmland's gonna kick it off with while he's acting
Prime Minister for me today on the show, because he's
in for the PM Minister of Agriculture and Trade, Todd
(01:04):
McLay waiting patiently on hole. We're going to go to
him an attack Jane Smith, North Otago Farmer Award winning
environmentalists plenty to say about climate change, methane, the Opportunities
Party and some of the colorful candidates in the Waitaki district.
We're going to talk to Tracy Brown, Madam adda dairy farmer,
Chair of Dairy and z Margins are getting squeezed a wee,
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but aren't they for the dairy industry At the moment
break even milk price of eight dollars seventy nine Fonterra
obviously reduced their forecast milk price to nine twenty five.
The numbers are starting to creep uncomfortably close to one another.
Jim Hopkins with a wonderful tribute. I think he's sent
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me a text saying what he's going to talk about.
A wonderful tribute to Sam Neil. They go back to
the sixties together and Lindy Nelson wairere app a farmer
save for Farm's Director Farm without Harm, Ambassador House. He
got on on the Ekedahouna farm with all the flooding
that's been going on. In fact, I'll ask that of
(02:07):
Jane Smith as well, because she's farming in North Otago. Anyhow,
full dance card today on the show and let's rip
into it. Todd McClay to kick off the country good close.
(02:34):
Todd McClay is the Minister of Agriculture and Trade. He's
sitting in filling in for the PM today, who's having
breaked Todd? Do you have aspirations longer term of doing
the slot every Wednesday? Would you like to be Prime Minister?
Speaker 4 (02:48):
I'd love to be the Prime Minister of India with
one point four billion people and your own airplane, Jamie,
thanks to having me on the show. Chris Luckson is
doing an amazing wonderful job, and no, I'm happy to
help this week. Next week you'll be back on.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Afie's doing an amazing and wonderful job. Why isn't the
voting public picking up on us.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Well, look, I think it's very challenging. If you look
across there's a splintering of votes all around the world,
and it's because ultimately, you know, times of a still
very very tough for citizens everywhere, and in the case
of New Zealand, it's still very challenging. You know, if
you think about the sort of last year a year
and a half, every time the economy started picking itself
up and people are feeling better, we've worked hard to
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get inflation and interest rates down. As an example, something
else happens internationally that gives us a bit of a knock,
and you know, this week we're looking at America fighting
again in the golf of homos, and therefore prices are
going up. It's going to take money out of people's pockets.
So it's very, very hard when it's challenging, and post COVID,
with everything that's been going on for six years, for
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people to be buoyant. But we're just working hard to
fix those basics and to make sure that you know,
Kiwis can get ahead and it's going to keep putting
in the hard work.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
You reference the Indian Prime minister and his private jet.
What is it about Mody? What's this rock star quality
that everyone talks about.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
It's quite remarkable, isn't it. I mean, I've met him
a couple of times now and had a chance during
the day away from the meetings to talk to him,
and there's almost a little bit of a reverence about him,
quite a calmness. But what you sort of see a
little bit differently behind the scenes talking to him has
got quite a sense of humor as well. But you know,
one point four billion people there, world's biggest democracy and
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he's the longest serving prime minister. I think we're just
extremely fortunate that when he came to New Zealand because
he didn't need to. And two he genuinely seems to
not only like us, but Chris Luxin's got a very
very good relationship with him. I reckon Jamie on the
back of the free Trader Groom and all the other
things we're doing now, the Indian economy is going to
become increasingly important to New Zealand and jobs for kiwis.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Well, there's almost man love going on, handholding, hugging.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
There's a little bit of handholding in rural New Zealand,
doesn't it.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
I don't know. It didn't happen to my day. But
anyhow to why can't Winston say that Mody's a good blog.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Well, look, he probably does. I don't know if he's
meant him. He probably does. But New Zealand First has
always had problems with some trade agreement. So look, I
think that's the case. Now. If you asked me if
we were able to conclude in the middle of last year,
would it be as noisy as this, Probably not, because
it wouldn't be an election year. You know, it took
Labor four months to say they're going to support an
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agreement that they were always going to support because it
is good for New Zealand. So you know you're going
to get some noise, and particularly from New Zealand First
an election year, they are doing every single thing they
can to get attention and to get a vote. It's
just a bit of a shame that it's become personal
number one and number two. You know, this is a
trade agreement that is good for the primary sector and
good for New Zealanders. It is going to rival China
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in the future, which gives us options. And I'm going
to say to New Zealand first, or anybody thinking to
vote for New Zealand first, to think about what's good
for the cunt, not just what might be good for
a party called New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
So yeah, well you won't get an argument for me.
Can we just set the record straight because winstance on
the show tomorrow and I'll be banging my head against
the wall again arguing with them. No doubt about these
two sticking points. The twenty billion dollar investment. Is it
an investment or is it an aspirational target.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
It's an aspirational target to promote investment and the government
has taken our commitment to promote investment, and it is
very clear in the legislation it has written down. Lawyers
on both sides scrutinized it. We negotiated this long into
the night to make sure there was understanding of it,
to make sure that you know, no sides would get
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it wrong. Our responsibility is to promote it is not
to invest. But also, of course it's aspiration already was
seeing people wanted to invest in India market and with
sertty stories of New Zealand companies want to establish a
starting there. It will work as the answer. In the meantime.
You know, we shouldn't be worried about what might have
happened at fifteen years time. Let's do what key weis
(07:01):
do well, Roley sleeves up and just get on with
it and make the most of a fantastic agreement.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Yeah, Keshen, while you can, Hey, what about the unfitted
migration that he's going on about, banging on.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
About selection year, He's absolutely completely one thousand percent wrong.
One six hundred and seventy skilled workers per year could
come to New Zealand. They're only allowed to stay for
three years and they have to go home. They can't
reapply on that same visa for another three years. And
in parts because we do need these workers in our economy,
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you know, construction, engineers, healthcare. It is to the standards
of New Zealand that we set. We retain the right
to change the immigration rules, and India wants them back
once they have some work experience. There are not thousands
and thousands and thousands of people coming the Shane Jones
ha said. None of them are coming to drive herbers.
They're just wrong and there's actually Jamie time for us
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all to move on and focus on exporting more, selling
more and growing our economy, not bickering in New Zealand
election yet.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Now when is National going to get a celebrity candidate
like New Zealand first and actas well?
Speaker 4 (08:07):
All of the good ones are gone, but there's one
great one. As I'm putting a pitch for you on
you come on over, we'll find you a little seat
of Timaru or something like that.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
I'd last two minutes, but that's a very hot Well,
I'm sure Miles Anderson will be pleased to hear that.
That's going to be a hotly contested seat. You've now
got Miles Anderson. Of course Damian O'Connor. Damien will hate
me saying that, but he's coming in as a bit
of a carpetbagger on this one. At least Michael Laws
lives in the electorate.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Well look, I mean, I've got respect for all three
of them, but you're talking about two has beens and
Miles my love when that seat, he works very very hard,
is a good guy. Here's another you know, another a
good kiwi plake that's rolled as slees up and it's
just doing the hard yard. You're not going to see
him screaming yelling about politics. But I reckon the debates
between Damien and Michael Laws if anything else will be comical.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Paul Henry, he's going to be a bit of a
thorn on your side.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Well, look, I quite.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Like him and he's in the good old days. Gee,
it feels when I first went to Parliament eighteen years
ago he was on TV and you got a little
bit of trouble then because of a sense of humor.
But you know, each party is going to you could
roll their stops out and cast for votes and we'll
see where we go. I don't think he's going to
be a thorn on our side. I think, if anything,
it'll be a problem for the Labor Party, the Green
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Party and the Maori Party because that's the alternative.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Jamie Well and the Opportunity Party don't forget them.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Well, we'll see whether they get there. I think there's
still a long way before five percent, but here is
the alternative. If you're not voting National, Labor, Green, Mallori Party,
And I'll tell you what as people tell me they're
going to pick up and leave the country. That happens,
I'm starting.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
To believe I've already got my room booked in Adelaide.
All right, got to go, Todd McLay, thanks for filling
in for the Prime Minister today, pleasure.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
I see it.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Fifteen like that, sixteen after twelve on the country. Thank you, Todd.
How some of your feedback coming in? Oh, I'm being
told off by Tony here, Hija, I haven't pre read this, Hi, Jamie.
Men holding hands as common in Indian culture to demonstrate
platonic friendship and camaraderie. Very astute relationship building by lux
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and says Tony. Thank you, Tony. And my old mate
Steve von Harris, he said, texted me and he said
I'd be happy to hold your hand sometime to see
if you like it. Thanks, but no, thanks Steve. Anyhow,
I'm probably we're at old school on that. Up next,
Up next, this is Travis. But Michelle's Chucklan Scottish songs
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for some reason. We'll ask her when she wanders in
here for rural news, why does it always rain on me?
And that's probably what a lot of farmers are thinking.
On the east coast of both islands. We're going to
north Otago next, Jane Smith the end or later in
the show, Lindy Nelson and the Wira Rapper, and between
times Tracy Brown who's the chair of Derry and Z
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talking about those squeezed margins for the dairy farmers. She's
in madaw Matter and Jim Hopkins is in Omrou. Now
there's a town. Is it a town? It's not a city.
It's a town that got hammered by the weather recently
as well. Jim also has a great story to share,
or so he tells me about going back to his
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days with sam Neil, Sir sam Neil, the late Sir
sam Neil. So look forward to that one. It's all
on the country. But up next, gloves are off. Jane
Smith's up to the batter's box on the country.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Is it because.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
She's a north Otago farm me You never die wondering
what she thinks? Jane Smith joins us on the country. Jane,
I want to start with the weather. The east coast
of both islands has taken a real hammering in the
past couple of weeks. How did you fair in north
Otago where you're farming, because I know O'm a ruin.
We're going there shortly with Jim Hopkins. Took a bit
of a pummeling.
Speaker 6 (12:19):
Good afternoon, Jamie.
Speaker 7 (12:20):
Yeah, it was very coastal that rain, so we only
we only received two lots of thirty mills here and
a weave at of snow at the back of the farm,
so nothing really to see here at all. And of
course Imoru absolutely got a lot of rain in a
short period of time, but no infrastructure.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
Would handle that, Jamie.
Speaker 7 (12:37):
So it was you know, it was well probably overstated
by it was very isolated and overstated by the media
as a lot of climate supposed climate related whether events
are now.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
These are hang on, Jane, this is climate change.
Speaker 7 (12:52):
And Jamie, you know that they have to be heavily
sedated before even looking at the waste for expenditure, et cetera.
That is that is you know, taken and tire, I'm
taken up in regards to the extreme climate change modeling.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
And I was really pleased.
Speaker 7 (13:04):
Actually to hear well to see that the nets have
finally come out of the climate change closet in the.
Speaker 6 (13:09):
Last couple of weeks. And thank you to Stuart.
Speaker 7 (13:11):
Smith for doing that MP and they've said that the
climate and modeling that has been used by both the
Crown and local councils has been far too extreme. You know,
it was a worst case scenario where we're going to
be burnt up in a fireball by the year twenty
to twenty one hundred, and it should be much less
extreme and actually more more climate or just resilience, so infrastructure,
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rather than this extremist situation, Jamie. And you know, you
look at the what do we spent now nearly a
billion dollars on chasing methane which is an absolute needless task.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
And I see, actually it was music to my.
Speaker 7 (13:47):
Ears last week, Jamie, while you're away to see that
that twenty nine million dollars that we wasted on I
joint venture with the what was it the US Environmental
Defense Society, to which is a very strange choice, bedfellow,
Might I say to look at emissions by the wall
and gas industry. And that was a David Parker Megan
Wood sign off. So that's obviously part of the socialist
(14:10):
muppet show at that time. And I've read through the
brief briefing paper and my librator would read this and see.
Speaker 8 (14:15):
A mile away.
Speaker 7 (14:16):
That was an absolute disgraceful waste of money. So now
that's actually going to be investigated, Jamie, water under the bridge.
But we continue to waste money on chasing the net
zero and agri zero and Climate Change Commission, partial greenhouse gas, etc.
Pills potions, vaccines, feed editives for no, that makes no
sense at all. So let's get on and actually and
(14:37):
actually update our infrastructure and just be a lot more resilient.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Jamie talking about strange bedfellows the Opportunities Party. Now, if
they get in rich farmers like you are going to
have to pay through the nose with the land tax.
Speaker 8 (14:51):
Jamie.
Speaker 7 (14:51):
You know that I'm going to launch you when you say,
you know, rich rich farmersm And again no one seems
to take into account and the debts that we that
we all hold, and also the fact that every Dono
Maade and farming wants you spin it around the economy
a few times at six to seven to eight dollars
for the rest of the economy. The levy tax is
absolutely unpalaceable. You know what they're talking about. We are
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already paying in our rates. We do have a land
levy tax and you know, when he talked about was
it throttling land value that I heard him say, I
think that was really bizarre and shift the capital to
everyone else. I mean, this is straight out of the
socialist handbook. And so if they are saying they're a
centralist party, I mean they're about as centralist as Stalin
or ad Off. And it's really just the labor Greens
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Party and drag and it's actually really concerning, you know
that they're really pushing that, you know, further dependency on
the state. And I was actually thinking of that. What
was about from about the nineteen thirty is an example
of what socialism and communism is, isn't it something like
socialism if you have two cows, you give one to
your neighbor. Communism you have two cows, you give them
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to the government and they'll sell you some milk back.
Speaker 6 (16:00):
You're lucky.
Speaker 7 (16:00):
Greenism if you have two cows, the government shoots one
and keeps the other cow and then milks you for
all that your worth. And that is kind of like
the mantra that's coming through. It's actually incredibly scary. The
only thing I thought did make a little bit of sense,
And it's easy for them to say, but very difficult
to do.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
When they talk.
Speaker 7 (16:19):
About an intergenerational infrastructure plan that does make a little
bit of sense. But this is totally unhinged. And you
know that penalizing those that work hard to build a future,
which is exactly what we do. And you can call
us capitalists if you like, but every small business in
New Zealand, farmers, tradees, mechanics, hair dresses, everyone that's trying
to employ local people do the right thing by their
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community are going to get penalized. And it is really
really scary to think that people will just get caught
up in this wave. And it's a bit of an
arms race at the moment, isn't it, Jamie, in terms
of all of these announcements that people were running for
different parties.
Speaker 6 (16:54):
But let's just have some sense and sensibility.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
On this, Shamian behave Jane. I'm out of time. I've
got like thirty seconds left. You're in the White Taki electorate.
Now you've got Miles Anderson, the incumbent MP. You have
the carpetbagger, How good mate, Damian O'Connor, and now you've
got Michael Laws who are you voting for?
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Well?
Speaker 7 (17:12):
It certainly might be Ginger's Kahan or Stalin with the
old laws in O'Connor combination. It's sort of like a
Molotov cocktail waiting to explode. But we'll have some fascinating
community meetings, i'd say, Jamie.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
And at least it will get people to people talking.
Speaker 7 (17:26):
But we Hastory would show we cannot leave politicians unsupervised,
and so we need to come down very very heavy
on whoever does get on, Jamie, and again make sure
we have some sensibility going forward.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Yeah, I reckon going to a town hall debate in
the Waitaki Electric could be a lot of fun. They're
all pretty good on their feet. Thank you very much
for your time.
Speaker 6 (17:45):
Thanks Dammy, good.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
On your Jane never guy wondering what she's thinking. Twenty
six after twelve here on the country. Some of your
feedback afternoon, Jamie Miles anders and his toast he's done
nothing for the taxpayers of White Taki. That's from En
or is that from Damien? No, I'm just joking there.
En says that. Another one says we're not supposed to
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talk ill of the dead, but Sam Neil was a
fantastic actor. But another hypocritical greenie. He fared climate change,
but he didn't stop flying. I guess in defense of
Sam Neil. When you're in his job, you have to
jump on planes to work. Here's another one, go Jane,
and yet another one. Always enjoy listening to Jane Smith,
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but for some balance, sometimes she just comes across as
negative with clever alliterations. Well she certainly got lots of
clever alliterations. She just challenges your thinking. She's you know,
like or love or loath Lane Jane, Jane Jane. She's
one of our most popular correspondents here, certainly in terms
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of feedback on the country. Up next, another high flying woman.
We've got three of them on the show. To in
New Zealand agriculture Tracy Brown from Dairy and Zed. She's
been an Ireland come no. Tracy Brown is a Madame
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madda dairy farmer and also for her sons the chair
of Dairy and Zed. Doing a great job. Great to
catch up at field Day's Tracy and the primary industry
in New Zealand Summit and Awards. I want to start
if I can, with the subject I was talking to
Heather Duplessy Allen about last night on news talk zed
be doing the sums on the margins and dairying. They're
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getting a bit squeezed.
Speaker 9 (19:43):
Yeah, they are, and we would encourage farmers to just
be courtous going into the season, you know, cautiously optimistic.
Things don't move around a bit, but they're still quite
a bit of global uncertainty.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
As we all know.
Speaker 9 (19:57):
Fro Terra is just that they're forecast milk price, so
you know, we'll need to keep an eye on that
break even milt price. Jamie Dariensi's current number is eight
seventy nine. So as you say, with a sort of
a nine to twenty five midpoint, there's not a lot
in the four principal repayments and you know, additional capital
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expenditure over and above depreciation. So people just need to
kind of be keyful of that and plan well.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
See, I did a back of the envelope calculation for heather,
and Google told me that the average size farms four
hundred and forty eight cows, the average production for cows
four hundred and fourteen milk solids. Stop me if I'm
wrong here, So that gives you one hundred and eighty
five thousand milk solids and with that break even milk price,
you're going to only make a surplus on the average
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farm of eighty five thousand dollars. And I said to Heather,
that's not that much if you've got six or eight
million dollars, or maybe more if you're in the white
cattle like you are invested in that dairy farm.
Speaker 5 (20:59):
Yep, yeah, no, it is a concern.
Speaker 9 (21:01):
And I think the thing to keep an eye on,
particularly this season is farm working expenses. So last year
in our break even lock price, we had five sixty
five in there, and in this seasons four casted farm
working expenses.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
And you know these the actual numbers.
Speaker 9 (21:19):
Are based off the real data from dairy base in
our economic survey.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
I'll be predicting six nineteen.
Speaker 9 (21:27):
So the fir jump in there, Jamie of around fifty cents,
and we had a jump of around twenty cents since
twenty twenty toe and farm working expenses, so that you know,
that is something that people are going to have to
keep an eye on and just be a junt with
monitoring budgets and making cautious decisions about where they spend.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Now, Tracy, you've just recently been to Ireland South thunder
two before everyone jumps up and down about junkets for
dairy and z. I think it's something to do with
your Nughfield scholarship that you didn't quite get finished, or
the trip he didn't quite get finished during COVID. I've
only been to Ireland once two thousand and three, that's
twenty three years ago. Smoking the bars was one thing
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that I couldn't believe because we'd gone smoke free. The
other thing back then was the size of the dairy cows.
They were like howses. They were like big bulls basically,
and the average herd size was only about fifty or sixty.
I understand that numbers increased, but how does their dairy
in compare to ours.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
Yeah, it was a really interesting trap Jamie and long
over Joe.
Speaker 9 (22:31):
As you say, I hadn't been able to travel because
of COVID there, so you know we do have mu
zeal had a lot in common with the Irish, so
changed quite a bit. Now the average herd size is
one hundred cows, and the cows I think would be
quite a lot smaller, more looking like a Kiwi cow.
In fact, there's a lot of New Zealand genetics used
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up there, and many farmers we visited, we're proud of
the Kiwi cows they had in their herds, so yeah,
quite a different looking cow. The huge folk on grass
system called pasture based Islands, so you know, whether you're
a scientist, whether you're a farmer, whether you're a student,
where you're oral professional, everyone uses the same database. So
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they've got more data points and so increased accuracy, so
they're able to sort.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
Of help use it for productive decision making.
Speaker 9 (23:20):
Big focus on beef on dairy, no bobby calves, so
they're sort of really focusing on a breeding index for
beef with those calves and buying and selling based on that.
So they've done away with the how calf looks in
terms of you know, four white socks and a white
mark on its head and all that sort of thing.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
It's purely on genetics.
Speaker 9 (23:44):
Big focus on training and really developing people strong farm
systems knowledge, and then they've really got themselves quite organized
around catchment groups.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
They've got a lot of pressure on the EU from
the EU around nitrogen derogation, so they've got whole communities
in supporting farmers around and proving water quality outcomes, so
they might have oral professionals.
Speaker 9 (24:05):
I've got teachers, I've got scientists, I've got farmers, students,
everybody is sort of helping improve those water quality outcomes.
So they sort of looked at New Zealand what New
Zealand's doing, and then just got themselves much more coordinated
and organized quite quickly because they've got a bit of
a burning platform.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Well, they're a very comparable nation to us in many
many ways. Hopefully they're not comparable to us at Eden
Park on Saturday, where a wee bit better than them.
Tracy Brown, Look, I'm out of time to talk about
pc one another subject for another day, but thanks for
your time. I always enjoyed chatting here on the country.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
Thanks Jamie, chair.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Of Darien Zed Tracy Brown, Thank you, Tracy. Up next
talking about Eden Park, well not specifically about Eden Park.
We've got a great weekend of sport coming up, British
Golf Open or the Openness they call it these days.
We will do rural news with Michelle. We'll have a
look at sports news for you before the end of
the hour. Jim Hopkins and Amoru, Lindy Nelson and Mauira Rapper.
(25:10):
But up next, that's Michelle and rural news and me
with sport compete. Oh, welcome back to the country, Michelle.
What with rural and news, We look at sports news
(25:31):
for you? Michelle? Have you know how we're at the
country here have a partnership with is SUSA, and one
member of staff in particular gets to drive the new
m UX seven Cita around.
Speaker 10 (25:42):
Two members of staff.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Jans Jane as well.
Speaker 10 (25:45):
Oh you're true.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
You're true, the unsung hero of the whole show, the
online editor. But I don't think you've ever been allowed
to drive it, have you.
Speaker 10 (25:53):
I think I'm banned like the working dog that did
something it shouldn't have, aren't I Well.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Let's be honest. The first time we got it the
day we we got it on a Thursday, I think
on the Friday we drove down to the Southern Field
days at by Murmur when you spilt coffee all over
the new leather seats in the MUX seven seat, I.
Speaker 10 (26:09):
Did, and I was really shocked about how calm you were.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
I wasn't card I'm still shocked about that.
Speaker 10 (26:14):
I tell Week this story.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
All the time. I was angry, but I just.
Speaker 10 (26:18):
I was bubbling inside.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
You're too nice to pick on anyhow, we've been driving
one for a while. They've got seven seats, so they're
sorted for the family. The best thing if you me,
I've got rid of the kids. Thank god, I've got
us face to the grandchildren now. But you can fold
the seats down, the back seats down, all the back
seats down, and you can fit so many golf clubs
and it is amazing. Under the bonnet there's a turbo
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diesel three point turbo diesel engine, genuine grunt three point
five ton towing capacity, which means the Muix handles anything
you're pulling without breaking a sweat, no compromise at all.
You get the space and comfort of a proper family suv.
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It's big. It's bigger than your average suv. It's spilt truck,
tough enough to handle Kiwi conditions on road, off road, towing,
weekend trips, daily grind, spilt coffee, you name it. Just
get on with it. When your m Ux and right now,
there's a great deal on for every new m Ux.
It comes with a six year warranty, three year service
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plan included. Plus you get here's the carrot to get
one now, you get three months to third payments too.
If you haven't driven one yet, trust me, get into
your local Isuzu dealer. Go and see Calvin at Cook
Allison here in Dunedin. He's a great bloke for you.
Go to your dealer, have a go. I think you'll
be surprised. Iizu m Ux. Talk to your local Isuzu
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For your local Star guest and a Federated Farmer's Banking
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are falling. So we might have to catch up with
Mark Hoper tomorrow about that.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
I think he's we might have to, but we've got
to get there. We spoke too long about the m
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Speaker 3 (28:23):
That's rare and there I am speaking over the f
CO liner. Tom Young won't seeing many lamb shops. Look Spain.
Spain beat France too, and we all know that one.
So they're going to play the one between England and Argentina.
Hand to God, Falkland's War. That's on at seven o'clock tomorrow.
Don't expect to see me and at work before nine
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a m. Up Next, Jim Hopkins. Great to catch up
with old mates on the country. Here's one of them,
Jim Hopkins. Jim, we're going to talk about rates, especially
for rural New Zealand, and I know that strikes fear
into your heart as a white, tacky district counselor. Before
we do that, I've got like thirty seconds and I
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want to pay not me, I want you to pay
a tribute to Sam Neil, the late Sir Sam Neil,
because you go way back to the sixties gym. I
don't know whether you inhaled or not, but tell me
your story.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
No comic. Well this is all before Sam was famous.
So my tribute is to a guy with an absolutely
fabulous voice. He was. He is so creamy and smooth
and anyway, and its hugely appropriate for what we were
trying to do because what we wanted. You may remember
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the Pirate radio ship try that started broadcasting radio house
rakings programs near Auckland. Well, we decided that because we
were all at UNI at the time writing student reviews
and so on, we decided we'd have a pirate radio
station and cross church during kemping Wheat and we teed
up a yachts or a fishing I can't remember which,
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but we did have a skipper who was willing to
help manage to scrounge a tape recorder and got supply
a whole stack of to real tapes. And along came
Jeremy Smith and he bought a friend of hers lo
and behold Sam Neil, who was the best DJ of
the lot. And we were originally going to go out
on the boat and broadcast from the you know, at sea,
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but went out that there wasn't enough room, so we
had to record all the shows at my place or
mom and Dad's place in Manchester Street, and we all
took turns recording our pirate radio rearshifts, building up a
goodly number of shows, and then sadly, at the eleventh hour,
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the skipper's lawyer, who was the skipper who was going
to take tapes out to see him play them. Skipper's
lawyer persuaded him it was far too big of a
whisky could based prosecution. He pulled the pin and the
whole venture sank without a t We all were our
separate ways. Sam went up to Wellington to work for
the National Film Unit as a director and therein lies
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the Tale of the Pirate Radio Station starring Samnal never happened.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
What a great story. Hey, Jim, I'm going to run
this south out of time here. You're an old hand
not only in the media but also in local body politics.
You've been involved for the second half of your life
basically in local body politics. You're now with the Waitaki
District Council. You are in financial trouble. I note at
one stage of forty or fifty percent rate rise was mooted.
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I think you've settled at seventeen percent. But this is
just sixteen point nine. All right. It's not an election year.
But this is a typical isn't it, or typical of
what's happening right around the country. And I want to
ask you this question. Will amalgamation, as Shane Jones wants,
solve the woes of local body authorities?
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Probably not. It will solve some of the problems. It
will make them administration easier, and certainly the government is
saying that these new unitary authorities have to be able
to implement the two new Planning Acts which are much
more permissive and enabling and growth focused than the previous RIMA,
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and those two acts themselves will actually make a substantial
difference and perhaps improved things, and certainly with a smaller
number of councils, that will be an easier they will
be easier to administer. Basically, the lesson of amalgamations worldwide
is you save a lot of money initially with the
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administration because let's say you merge five councils and you
actually turn five kind of management layers into one. So
there's savings there, but that's more all that set and
the government is going to find that the problem that
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they refuse to acknowledge, which is that they've got far
through much of the money and councils have far through
little of the money. Councils managed thirty percent of New
Zealand's infrastructure, but they've only got about ten percent of
the money that's compulsorily collected and Parliament or government generally
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speaking doesn't share the eighty five percent plus that it
gathers through taxations and other charges. And yes the roading
thing is jointly funded. But in the end the issue
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is as long as councils are required to do all
the things they are being required to do at the moment,
then there will not be using the current funding systems,
there will not be enough money to pay for them all.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Hey Jim, look, I'm out of time. I'm going to
come back with you in the next week or so
and revisit this topic because I also want to ask
you about interesting things that are happening in the Whiteitaki
electorate when it comes to the general election coming up
on November seven. So nice to chat to you again
on the country and I loved you Sam Neil's story.
Thanks for your time. Thanks Ray, take care, take care
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of yourself. Jim up next to Lindy Nelson wraps the country.
Love chatting to this lady because she does a great
job in New Zealand agriculture. Her name is Lindy Nelson.
She's a Safer Farms Director, a Farm Without Harm ambassador
and a Wira rapper farmer and Eketahuna. One of my
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favorite golf courses in the country. Lindy, I want to
start with the recent flooding because you got hit twice
in the wire a Rapper, and I know it was
worse further south and more coastal, but how did you
guy get on a Neckadahuna? Good afternoon, by the way, Hi, Jamie.
Speaker 8 (35:05):
Relatively unscathed compared to our friends and colleagues in south
Way Rapper. So had a bridge get taken out, and
of course it's pretty wet now underfoot, but a few slips,
but nothing like the carnage that we saw in Southway
Rapper and kai Kora and Blenham areas. So really heart
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goes out to those folks because that's a big, big
job in front of them.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
You were telling me in the commercial break before going
to air that the bridge goes out every time there's
a flood, basically from slash or whatever trees coming down
from upstream.
Speaker 8 (35:43):
Yeah, it does, and that is a real ongoing problem
for us. You know, it can handle the water volume
that is coming down, but now we're getting either forestry
slash or willow clearance slash that comes down and you
get a couple of those massive logs jammed up on
your bridge with water behind them and it just you know,
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or your timber decking and things just goes.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Yeah, I'm sure a lot of farmers can sympathize with
your plight there. You are a bit of a safety
legend there, Lindy. You won the National Safety Leadership Awards.
You won National Leader of the Year, beat off some
of the big corporates for the work you're doing for
Safer Farms.
Speaker 8 (36:21):
Well done you, thank you, and you know what, Jomie,
that was pretty meaningful to me because I am not
a health and safety expert. I'm a farmer who recognize
that there's a problem that we need to address, and
we need to address for.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
A lot of reasons.
Speaker 8 (36:36):
The fatalities are serious injuries we're getting on farm, but
also from a consumer perspective, I think of the story
of our harm got out there, it would not be
a good consumer story. So to get recognized for the
work that Safer Farms is doing, and particularly around the
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farm without Harm strategy, which is a whole new approach
to how we tackle this farmer led working with farmers
us pretty chuffed.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Well good on you mind you we are improving. Look
at these stats that someone has given me. The fall
and farm related acc claims twenty five, eight hundred and
twenty twenty. We're down to seventeen thy, three hundred and
twenty twenty five last year and this year up to
June thirties tracking really well as well. So I know
we can always do better, but that's not a bad start.
Speaker 8 (37:28):
And I want to congratulate every single farmer out there
that made different decisions to keep themselves and their teams safe,
because it's the little stuff that really adds up and
really counts, and so the credit belongs to the farmers.
And yes, some of the work that we are doing
is actually really bringing awareness and practical solutions and putting
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them in front of farmers. And the great work our
safety champions are doing, which is reframing safety from what
people thought it was policies and compliance and being told
what to do to actually how do we work together?
What are the good stuff out there that's working? So
up to the farmers out there have done great, great work.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
I spoke to one of you or chatted to one
of your safety champions on yesterday's show, Chloe Butcher harries,
My goodness, that girl is a live wire. She's just
a breath of fresh air. And you've also got George
Dodson twenty twenty four Young Farmer of the Year as
one of your safety champions, and the pair of them
have a wonderfully high profile, especially on social media.
Speaker 8 (38:35):
They do, and that was what attracted us to Chloe
and George because they just say it how it is
and farmers relate to that. This is relatable farmer voices.
These guys are not health and safety champions intact, they're
learning as we go along, and you know we are
mentoring them and teaching them around some of the good
safety practices, but they're prepared to put it out there
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and share their message and it's getting great uptake.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Hey, Lindy Nelson as always great to chat here on
the country. And I hope you guys and the wire
Rapper in fact the east coast of both islands so
by the floods can recover as quickly as possible. I
know it's been very challenging on farm.
Speaker 8 (39:15):
Thank you, Jamie and thanks for the conversation. We I
think you put your hand up to say you'd like
to be one of our safety champions, wouldn't they Well.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
You don't want a pale style middle age getting long
in the tooth mail, do you I mean you want
sexy young people like Chloe and George.
Speaker 8 (39:31):
Well, the majority of our farming sector are about.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
My age, closer to my age than their age. Yes,
I could always tell the story about chainsawing and gun
boots and without air muffs and why I'm deaf. Now,
I could do that. I could tell that story for you, Lindy,
but I'm out of time, out of time for stories.
Thanks for your time.
Speaker 5 (39:48):
Cheers, Thanks Jamie, Bye.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
Thanks Lindy. Mind you sometimes it's quite useful being deaf
if the old program directors in your ear. Never mind.
Now I'm going to have a fight tomorrow with one
sit on the Country. Looking forward to We'll see you then.
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This is the Country, brought to you by a sus
On Farmland's gonna kick it off with while he's acting
Prime Minister for me today on the show, because he's
in for the PM Minister of Agriculture and Trade, Todd
(01:04):
McLay waiting patiently on hole. We're going to go to
him an attack Jane Smith, North Otago Farmer Award winning
environmentalists plenty to say about climate change, methane, the Opportunities
Party and some of the colorful candidates in the Waitaki district.
We're going to talk to Tracy Brown, Madam adda dairy farmer,
Chair of Dairy and z Margins are getting squeezed a wee,
(01:25):
but aren't they for the dairy industry At the moment
break even milk price of eight dollars seventy nine Fonterra
obviously reduced their forecast milk price to nine twenty five.
The numbers are starting to creep uncomfortably close to one another.
Jim Hopkins with a wonderful tribute. I think he's sent
(01:47):
me a text saying what he's going to talk about.
A wonderful tribute to Sam Neil. They go back to
the sixties together and Lindy Nelson wairere app a farmer
save for Farm's Director Farm without Harm, Ambassador House. He
got on on the Ekedahouna farm with all the flooding
that's been going on. In fact, I'll ask that of
(02:07):
Jane Smith as well, because she's farming in North Otago. Anyhow,
full dance card today on the show and let's rip
into it. Todd McClay to kick off the country good close.
(02:34):
Todd McClay is the Minister of Agriculture and Trade. He's
sitting in filling in for the PM today, who's having
breaked Todd? Do you have aspirations longer term of doing
the slot every Wednesday? Would you like to be Prime Minister?
Speaker 4 (02:48):
I'd love to be the Prime Minister of India with
one point four billion people and your own airplane, Jamie,
thanks to having me on the show. Chris Luckson is
doing an amazing wonderful job, and no, I'm happy to
help this week. Next week you'll be back on.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Afie's doing an amazing and wonderful job. Why isn't the
voting public picking up on us.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Well, look, I think it's very challenging. If you look
across there's a splintering of votes all around the world,
and it's because ultimately, you know, times of a still
very very tough for citizens everywhere, and in the case
of New Zealand, it's still very challenging. You know, if
you think about the sort of last year a year
and a half, every time the economy started picking itself
up and people are feeling better, we've worked hard to
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get inflation and interest rates down. As an example, something
else happens internationally that gives us a bit of a knock,
and you know, this week we're looking at America fighting
again in the golf of homos, and therefore prices are
going up. It's going to take money out of people's pockets.
So it's very, very hard when it's challenging, and post COVID,
with everything that's been going on for six years, for
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people to be buoyant. But we're just working hard to
fix those basics and to make sure that you know,
Kiwis can get ahead and it's going to keep putting
in the hard work.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
You reference the Indian Prime minister and his private jet.
What is it about Mody? What's this rock star quality
that everyone talks about.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
It's quite remarkable, isn't it. I mean, I've met him
a couple of times now and had a chance during
the day away from the meetings to talk to him,
and there's almost a little bit of a reverence about him,
quite a calmness. But what you sort of see a
little bit differently behind the scenes talking to him has
got quite a sense of humor as well. But you know,
one point four billion people there, world's biggest democracy and
(04:30):
he's the longest serving prime minister. I think we're just
extremely fortunate that when he came to New Zealand because
he didn't need to. And two he genuinely seems to
not only like us, but Chris Luxin's got a very
very good relationship with him. I reckon Jamie on the
back of the free Trader Groom and all the other
things we're doing now, the Indian economy is going to
become increasingly important to New Zealand and jobs for kiwis.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Well, there's almost man love going on, handholding, hugging.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
There's a little bit of handholding in rural New Zealand,
doesn't it.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
I don't know. It didn't happen to my day. But
anyhow to why can't Winston say that Mody's a good blog.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Well, look, he probably does. I don't know if he's
meant him. He probably does. But New Zealand First has
always had problems with some trade agreement. So look, I
think that's the case. Now. If you asked me if
we were able to conclude in the middle of last year,
would it be as noisy as this, Probably not, because
it wouldn't be an election year. You know, it took
Labor four months to say they're going to support an
(05:28):
agreement that they were always going to support because it
is good for New Zealand. So you know you're going
to get some noise, and particularly from New Zealand First
an election year, they are doing every single thing they
can to get attention and to get a vote. It's
just a bit of a shame that it's become personal
number one and number two. You know, this is a
trade agreement that is good for the primary sector and
good for New Zealanders. It is going to rival China
(05:51):
in the future, which gives us options. And I'm going
to say to New Zealand first, or anybody thinking to
vote for New Zealand first, to think about what's good
for the cunt, not just what might be good for
a party called New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
So yeah, well you won't get an argument for me.
Can we just set the record straight because winstance on
the show tomorrow and I'll be banging my head against
the wall again arguing with them. No doubt about these
two sticking points. The twenty billion dollar investment. Is it
an investment or is it an aspirational target.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
It's an aspirational target to promote investment and the government
has taken our commitment to promote investment, and it is
very clear in the legislation it has written down. Lawyers
on both sides scrutinized it. We negotiated this long into
the night to make sure there was understanding of it,
to make sure that you know, no sides would get
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it wrong. Our responsibility is to promote it is not
to invest. But also, of course it's aspiration already was
seeing people wanted to invest in India market and with
sertty stories of New Zealand companies want to establish a
starting there. It will work as the answer. In the meantime.
You know, we shouldn't be worried about what might have
happened at fifteen years time. Let's do what key weis
(07:01):
do well, Roley sleeves up and just get on with
it and make the most of a fantastic agreement.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Yeah, Keshen, while you can, Hey, what about the unfitted
migration that he's going on about, banging on.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
About selection year, He's absolutely completely one thousand percent wrong.
One six hundred and seventy skilled workers per year could
come to New Zealand. They're only allowed to stay for
three years and they have to go home. They can't
reapply on that same visa for another three years. And
in parts because we do need these workers in our economy,
(07:32):
you know, construction, engineers, healthcare. It is to the standards
of New Zealand that we set. We retain the right
to change the immigration rules, and India wants them back
once they have some work experience. There are not thousands
and thousands and thousands of people coming the Shane Jones
ha said. None of them are coming to drive herbers.
They're just wrong and there's actually Jamie time for us
(07:53):
all to move on and focus on exporting more, selling
more and growing our economy, not bickering in New Zealand
election yet.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Now when is National going to get a celebrity candidate
like New Zealand first and actas well?
Speaker 4 (08:07):
All of the good ones are gone, but there's one
great one. As I'm putting a pitch for you on
you come on over, we'll find you a little seat
of Timaru or something like that.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
I'd last two minutes, but that's a very hot Well,
I'm sure Miles Anderson will be pleased to hear that.
That's going to be a hotly contested seat. You've now
got Miles Anderson. Of course Damian O'Connor. Damien will hate
me saying that, but he's coming in as a bit
of a carpetbagger on this one. At least Michael Laws
lives in the electorate.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Well look, I mean, I've got respect for all three
of them, but you're talking about two has beens and
Miles my love when that seat, he works very very hard,
is a good guy. Here's another you know, another a
good kiwi plake that's rolled as slees up and it's
just doing the hard yard. You're not going to see
him screaming yelling about politics. But I reckon the debates
between Damien and Michael Laws if anything else will be comical.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Paul Henry, he's going to be a bit of a
thorn on your side.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Well, look, I quite.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Like him and he's in the good old days. Gee,
it feels when I first went to Parliament eighteen years
ago he was on TV and you got a little
bit of trouble then because of a sense of humor.
But you know, each party is going to you could
roll their stops out and cast for votes and we'll
see where we go. I don't think he's going to
be a thorn on our side. I think, if anything,
it'll be a problem for the Labor Party, the Green
(09:26):
Party and the Maori Party because that's the alternative.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Jamie Well and the Opportunity Party don't forget them.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Well, we'll see whether they get there. I think there's
still a long way before five percent, but here is
the alternative. If you're not voting National, Labor, Green, Mallori Party,
And I'll tell you what as people tell me they're
going to pick up and leave the country. That happens,
I'm starting.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
To believe I've already got my room booked in Adelaide.
All right, got to go, Todd McLay, thanks for filling
in for the Prime Minister today, pleasure.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
I see it.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Fifteen like that, sixteen after twelve on the country. Thank you, Todd.
How some of your feedback coming in? Oh, I'm being
told off by Tony here, Hija, I haven't pre read this, Hi, Jamie.
Men holding hands as common in Indian culture to demonstrate
platonic friendship and camaraderie. Very astute relationship building by lux
(10:17):
and says Tony. Thank you, Tony. And my old mate
Steve von Harris, he said, texted me and he said
I'd be happy to hold your hand sometime to see
if you like it. Thanks, but no, thanks Steve. Anyhow,
I'm probably we're at old school on that. Up next,
Up next, this is Travis. But Michelle's Chucklan Scottish songs
(10:40):
for some reason. We'll ask her when she wanders in
here for rural news, why does it always rain on me?
And that's probably what a lot of farmers are thinking.
On the east coast of both islands. We're going to
north Otago next, Jane Smith the end or later in
the show, Lindy Nelson and the Wira Rapper, and between
times Tracy Brown who's the chair of Derry and Z
(11:01):
talking about those squeezed margins for the dairy farmers. She's
in madaw Matter and Jim Hopkins is in Omrou. Now
there's a town. Is it a town? It's not a city.
It's a town that got hammered by the weather recently
as well. Jim also has a great story to share,
or so he tells me about going back to his
(11:23):
days with sam Neil, Sir sam Neil, the late Sir
sam Neil. So look forward to that one. It's all
on the country. But up next, gloves are off. Jane
Smith's up to the batter's box on the country.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Is it because.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
She's a north Otago farm me You never die wondering
what she thinks? Jane Smith joins us on the country. Jane,
I want to start with the weather. The east coast
of both islands has taken a real hammering in the
past couple of weeks. How did you fair in north
Otago where you're farming, because I know O'm a ruin.
We're going there shortly with Jim Hopkins. Took a bit
of a pummeling.
Speaker 6 (12:19):
Good afternoon, Jamie.
Speaker 7 (12:20):
Yeah, it was very coastal that rain, so we only
we only received two lots of thirty mills here and
a weave at of snow at the back of the farm,
so nothing really to see here at all. And of
course Imoru absolutely got a lot of rain in a
short period of time, but no infrastructure.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
Would handle that, Jamie.
Speaker 7 (12:37):
So it was you know, it was well probably overstated
by it was very isolated and overstated by the media
as a lot of climate supposed climate related whether events
are now.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
These are hang on, Jane, this is climate change.
Speaker 7 (12:52):
And Jamie, you know that they have to be heavily
sedated before even looking at the waste for expenditure, et cetera.
That is that is you know, taken and tire, I'm
taken up in regards to the extreme climate change modeling.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
And I was really pleased.
Speaker 7 (13:04):
Actually to hear well to see that the nets have
finally come out of the climate change closet in the.
Speaker 6 (13:09):
Last couple of weeks. And thank you to Stuart.
Speaker 7 (13:11):
Smith for doing that MP and they've said that the
climate and modeling that has been used by both the
Crown and local councils has been far too extreme. You know,
it was a worst case scenario where we're going to
be burnt up in a fireball by the year twenty
to twenty one hundred, and it should be much less
extreme and actually more more climate or just resilience, so infrastructure,
(13:36):
rather than this extremist situation, Jamie. And you know, you
look at the what do we spent now nearly a
billion dollars on chasing methane which is an absolute needless task.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
And I see, actually it was music to my.
Speaker 7 (13:47):
Ears last week, Jamie, while you're away to see that
that twenty nine million dollars that we wasted on I
joint venture with the what was it the US Environmental
Defense Society, to which is a very strange choice, bedfellow,
Might I say to look at emissions by the wall
and gas industry. And that was a David Parker Megan
Wood sign off. So that's obviously part of the socialist
(14:10):
muppet show at that time. And I've read through the
brief briefing paper and my librator would read this and see.
Speaker 8 (14:15):
A mile away.
Speaker 7 (14:16):
That was an absolute disgraceful waste of money. So now
that's actually going to be investigated, Jamie, water under the bridge.
But we continue to waste money on chasing the net
zero and agri zero and Climate Change Commission, partial greenhouse gas, etc.
Pills potions, vaccines, feed editives for no, that makes no
sense at all. So let's get on and actually and
(14:37):
actually update our infrastructure and just be a lot more resilient.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Jamie talking about strange bedfellows the Opportunities Party. Now, if
they get in rich farmers like you are going to
have to pay through the nose with the land tax.
Speaker 8 (14:51):
Jamie.
Speaker 7 (14:51):
You know that I'm going to launch you when you say,
you know, rich rich farmersm And again no one seems
to take into account and the debts that we that
we all hold, and also the fact that every Dono
Maade and farming wants you spin it around the economy
a few times at six to seven to eight dollars
for the rest of the economy. The levy tax is
absolutely unpalaceable. You know what they're talking about. We are
(15:15):
already paying in our rates. We do have a land
levy tax and you know, when he talked about was
it throttling land value that I heard him say, I
think that was really bizarre and shift the capital to
everyone else. I mean, this is straight out of the
socialist handbook. And so if they are saying they're a
centralist party, I mean they're about as centralist as Stalin
or ad Off. And it's really just the labor Greens
(15:35):
Party and drag and it's actually really concerning, you know
that they're really pushing that, you know, further dependency on
the state. And I was actually thinking of that. What
was about from about the nineteen thirty is an example
of what socialism and communism is, isn't it something like
socialism if you have two cows, you give one to
your neighbor. Communism you have two cows, you give them
(15:57):
to the government and they'll sell you some milk back.
Speaker 6 (16:00):
You're lucky.
Speaker 7 (16:00):
Greenism if you have two cows, the government shoots one
and keeps the other cow and then milks you for
all that your worth. And that is kind of like
the mantra that's coming through. It's actually incredibly scary. The
only thing I thought did make a little bit of sense,
And it's easy for them to say, but very difficult
to do.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
When they talk.
Speaker 7 (16:19):
About an intergenerational infrastructure plan that does make a little
bit of sense. But this is totally unhinged. And you
know that penalizing those that work hard to build a future,
which is exactly what we do. And you can call
us capitalists if you like, but every small business in
New Zealand, farmers, tradees, mechanics, hair dresses, everyone that's trying
to employ local people do the right thing by their
(16:40):
community are going to get penalized. And it is really
really scary to think that people will just get caught
up in this wave. And it's a bit of an
arms race at the moment, isn't it, Jamie, in terms
of all of these announcements that people were running for
different parties.
Speaker 6 (16:54):
But let's just have some sense and sensibility.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
On this, Shamian behave Jane. I'm out of time. I've
got like thirty seconds left. You're in the White Taki electorate.
Now you've got Miles Anderson, the incumbent MP. You have
the carpetbagger, How good mate, Damian O'Connor, and now you've
got Michael Laws who are you voting for?
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Well?
Speaker 7 (17:12):
It certainly might be Ginger's Kahan or Stalin with the
old laws in O'Connor combination. It's sort of like a
Molotov cocktail waiting to explode. But we'll have some fascinating
community meetings, i'd say, Jamie.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
And at least it will get people to people talking.
Speaker 7 (17:26):
But we Hastory would show we cannot leave politicians unsupervised,
and so we need to come down very very heavy
on whoever does get on, Jamie, and again make sure
we have some sensibility going forward.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Yeah, I reckon going to a town hall debate in
the Waitaki Electric could be a lot of fun. They're
all pretty good on their feet. Thank you very much
for your time.
Speaker 6 (17:45):
Thanks Dammy, good.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
On your Jane never guy wondering what she's thinking. Twenty
six after twelve here on the country. Some of your
feedback afternoon, Jamie Miles anders and his toast he's done
nothing for the taxpayers of White Taki. That's from En
or is that from Damien? No, I'm just joking there.
En says that. Another one says we're not supposed to
(18:09):
talk ill of the dead, but Sam Neil was a
fantastic actor. But another hypocritical greenie. He fared climate change,
but he didn't stop flying. I guess in defense of
Sam Neil. When you're in his job, you have to
jump on planes to work. Here's another one, go Jane,
and yet another one. Always enjoy listening to Jane Smith,
(18:31):
but for some balance, sometimes she just comes across as
negative with clever alliterations. Well she certainly got lots of
clever alliterations. She just challenges your thinking. She's you know,
like or love or loath Lane Jane, Jane Jane. She's
one of our most popular correspondents here, certainly in terms
(18:53):
of feedback on the country. Up next, another high flying woman.
We've got three of them on the show. To in
New Zealand agriculture Tracy Brown from Dairy and Zed. She's
been an Ireland come no. Tracy Brown is a Madame
(19:19):
madda dairy farmer and also for her sons the chair
of Dairy and Zed. Doing a great job. Great to
catch up at field Day's Tracy and the primary industry
in New Zealand Summit and Awards. I want to start
if I can, with the subject I was talking to
Heather Duplessy Allen about last night on news talk zed
be doing the sums on the margins and dairying. They're
(19:41):
getting a bit squeezed.
Speaker 9 (19:43):
Yeah, they are, and we would encourage farmers to just
be courtous going into the season, you know, cautiously optimistic.
Things don't move around a bit, but they're still quite
a bit of global uncertainty.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
As we all know.
Speaker 9 (19:57):
Fro Terra is just that they're forecast milk price, so
you know, we'll need to keep an eye on that
break even milt price. Jamie Dariensi's current number is eight
seventy nine. So as you say, with a sort of
a nine to twenty five midpoint, there's not a lot
in the four principal repayments and you know, additional capital
(20:19):
expenditure over and above depreciation. So people just need to
kind of be keyful of that and plan well.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
See, I did a back of the envelope calculation for heather,
and Google told me that the average size farms four
hundred and forty eight cows, the average production for cows
four hundred and fourteen milk solids. Stop me if I'm
wrong here, So that gives you one hundred and eighty
five thousand milk solids and with that break even milk price,
you're going to only make a surplus on the average
(20:47):
farm of eighty five thousand dollars. And I said to Heather,
that's not that much if you've got six or eight
million dollars, or maybe more if you're in the white
cattle like you are invested in that dairy farm.
Speaker 5 (20:59):
Yep, yeah, no, it is a concern.
Speaker 9 (21:01):
And I think the thing to keep an eye on,
particularly this season is farm working expenses. So last year
in our break even lock price, we had five sixty
five in there, and in this seasons four casted farm
working expenses.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
And you know these the actual numbers.
Speaker 9 (21:19):
Are based off the real data from dairy base in
our economic survey.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
I'll be predicting six nineteen.
Speaker 9 (21:27):
So the fir jump in there, Jamie of around fifty cents,
and we had a jump of around twenty cents since
twenty twenty toe and farm working expenses, so that you know,
that is something that people are going to have to
keep an eye on and just be a junt with
monitoring budgets and making cautious decisions about where they spend.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Now, Tracy, you've just recently been to Ireland South thunder
two before everyone jumps up and down about junkets for
dairy and z. I think it's something to do with
your Nughfield scholarship that you didn't quite get finished, or
the trip he didn't quite get finished during COVID. I've
only been to Ireland once two thousand and three, that's
twenty three years ago. Smoking the bars was one thing
(22:08):
that I couldn't believe because we'd gone smoke free. The
other thing back then was the size of the dairy cows.
They were like howses. They were like big bulls basically,
and the average herd size was only about fifty or sixty.
I understand that numbers increased, but how does their dairy
in compare to ours.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
Yeah, it was a really interesting trap Jamie and long
over Joe.
Speaker 9 (22:31):
As you say, I hadn't been able to travel because
of COVID there, so you know we do have mu
zeal had a lot in common with the Irish, so
changed quite a bit. Now the average herd size is
one hundred cows, and the cows I think would be
quite a lot smaller, more looking like a Kiwi cow.
In fact, there's a lot of New Zealand genetics used
(22:51):
up there, and many farmers we visited, we're proud of
the Kiwi cows they had in their herds, so yeah,
quite a different looking cow. The huge folk on grass
system called pasture based Islands, so you know, whether you're
a scientist, whether you're a farmer, whether you're a student,
where you're oral professional, everyone uses the same database. So
(23:12):
they've got more data points and so increased accuracy, so
they're able to sort.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
Of help use it for productive decision making.
Speaker 9 (23:20):
Big focus on beef on dairy, no bobby calves, so
they're sort of really focusing on a breeding index for
beef with those calves and buying and selling based on that.
So they've done away with the how calf looks in
terms of you know, four white socks and a white
mark on its head and all that sort of thing.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
It's purely on genetics.
Speaker 9 (23:44):
Big focus on training and really developing people strong farm
systems knowledge, and then they've really got themselves quite organized
around catchment groups.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
They've got a lot of pressure on the EU from
the EU around nitrogen derogation, so they've got whole communities
in supporting farmers around and proving water quality outcomes, so
they might have oral professionals.
Speaker 9 (24:05):
I've got teachers, I've got scientists, I've got farmers, students,
everybody is sort of helping improve those water quality outcomes.
So they sort of looked at New Zealand what New
Zealand's doing, and then just got themselves much more coordinated
and organized quite quickly because they've got a bit of
a burning platform.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Well, they're a very comparable nation to us in many
many ways. Hopefully they're not comparable to us at Eden
Park on Saturday, where a wee bit better than them.
Tracy Brown, Look, I'm out of time to talk about
pc one another subject for another day, but thanks for
your time. I always enjoyed chatting here on the country.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
Thanks Jamie, chair.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Of Darien Zed Tracy Brown, Thank you, Tracy. Up next
talking about Eden Park, well not specifically about Eden Park.
We've got a great weekend of sport coming up, British
Golf Open or the Openness they call it these days.
We will do rural news with Michelle. We'll have a
look at sports news for you before the end of
the hour. Jim Hopkins and Amoru, Lindy Nelson and Mauira Rapper.
(25:10):
But up next, that's Michelle and rural news and me
with sport compete. Oh, welcome back to the country, Michelle.
What with rural and news, We look at sports news
(25:31):
for you? Michelle? Have you know how we're at the
country here have a partnership with is SUSA, and one
member of staff in particular gets to drive the new
m UX seven Cita around.
Speaker 10 (25:42):
Two members of staff.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Jans Jane as well.
Speaker 10 (25:45):
Oh you're true.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
You're true, the unsung hero of the whole show, the
online editor. But I don't think you've ever been allowed
to drive it, have you.
Speaker 10 (25:53):
I think I'm banned like the working dog that did
something it shouldn't have, aren't I Well.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Let's be honest. The first time we got it the
day we we got it on a Thursday, I think
on the Friday we drove down to the Southern Field
days at by Murmur when you spilt coffee all over
the new leather seats in the MUX seven seat, I.
Speaker 10 (26:09):
Did, and I was really shocked about how calm you were.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
I wasn't card I'm still shocked about that.
Speaker 10 (26:14):
I tell Week this story.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
All the time. I was angry, but I just.
Speaker 10 (26:18):
I was bubbling inside.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
You're too nice to pick on anyhow, we've been driving
one for a while. They've got seven seats, so they're
sorted for the family. The best thing if you me,
I've got rid of the kids. Thank god, I've got
us face to the grandchildren now. But you can fold
the seats down, the back seats down, all the back
seats down, and you can fit so many golf clubs
and it is amazing. Under the bonnet there's a turbo
(26:41):
diesel three point turbo diesel engine, genuine grunt three point
five ton towing capacity, which means the Muix handles anything
you're pulling without breaking a sweat, no compromise at all.
You get the space and comfort of a proper family suv.
(27:02):
It's big. It's bigger than your average suv. It's spilt truck,
tough enough to handle Kiwi conditions on road, off road, towing,
weekend trips, daily grind, spilt coffee, you name it. Just
get on with it. When your m Ux and right now,
there's a great deal on for every new m Ux.
It comes with a six year warranty, three year service
(27:24):
plan included. Plus you get here's the carrot to get
one now, you get three months to third payments too.
If you haven't driven one yet, trust me, get into
your local Isuzu dealer. Go and see Calvin at Cook
Allison here in Dunedin. He's a great bloke for you.
Go to your dealer, have a go. I think you'll
be surprised. Iizu m Ux. Talk to your local Isuzu
(27:45):
utes dealer today. So there you go. There's a shameless
plug for a great vehicle. Here's Michelle With's Rural News.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
The Country's Rural News with cub Cadet. It's one thing
to talk innovation, another to back it up drive it.
We dare you visit steel Ford dot cot On Nzen.
Speaker 10 (28:02):
For your local Star guest and a Federated Farmer's Banking
served nearly five hundred and forty farmers. Found mortgage levels
are falling. So we might have to catch up with
Mark Hoper tomorrow about that.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
I think he's we might have to, but we've got
to get there. We spoke too long about the m
Ux sport and one of.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Carnery with AFCO one hundred percent ke we owned and trusted.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
That's rare and there I am speaking over the f
CO liner. Tom Young won't seeing many lamb shops. Look Spain.
Spain beat France too, and we all know that one.
So they're going to play the one between England and Argentina.
Hand to God, Falkland's War. That's on at seven o'clock tomorrow.
Don't expect to see me and at work before nine
(28:44):
a m. Up Next, Jim Hopkins. Great to catch up
with old mates on the country. Here's one of them,
Jim Hopkins. Jim, we're going to talk about rates, especially
for rural New Zealand, and I know that strikes fear
into your heart as a white, tacky district counselor. Before
we do that, I've got like thirty seconds and I
(29:05):
want to pay not me, I want you to pay
a tribute to Sam Neil, the late Sir Sam Neil,
because you go way back to the sixties gym. I
don't know whether you inhaled or not, but tell me
your story.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
No comic. Well this is all before Sam was famous.
So my tribute is to a guy with an absolutely
fabulous voice. He was. He is so creamy and smooth
and anyway, and its hugely appropriate for what we were
trying to do because what we wanted. You may remember
(29:39):
the Pirate radio ship try that started broadcasting radio house
rakings programs near Auckland. Well, we decided that because we
were all at UNI at the time writing student reviews
and so on, we decided we'd have a pirate radio
station and cross church during kemping Wheat and we teed
up a yachts or a fishing I can't remember which,
(30:01):
but we did have a skipper who was willing to
help manage to scrounge a tape recorder and got supply
a whole stack of to real tapes. And along came
Jeremy Smith and he bought a friend of hers lo
and behold Sam Neil, who was the best DJ of
the lot. And we were originally going to go out
on the boat and broadcast from the you know, at sea,
(30:24):
but went out that there wasn't enough room, so we
had to record all the shows at my place or
mom and Dad's place in Manchester Street, and we all
took turns recording our pirate radio rearshifts, building up a
goodly number of shows, and then sadly, at the eleventh hour,
(30:45):
the skipper's lawyer, who was the skipper who was going
to take tapes out to see him play them. Skipper's
lawyer persuaded him it was far too big of a
whisky could based prosecution. He pulled the pin and the
whole venture sank without a t We all were our
separate ways. Sam went up to Wellington to work for
the National Film Unit as a director and therein lies
(31:11):
the Tale of the Pirate Radio Station starring Samnal never happened.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
What a great story. Hey, Jim, I'm going to run
this south out of time here. You're an old hand
not only in the media but also in local body politics.
You've been involved for the second half of your life
basically in local body politics. You're now with the Waitaki
District Council. You are in financial trouble. I note at
one stage of forty or fifty percent rate rise was mooted.
(31:37):
I think you've settled at seventeen percent. But this is
just sixteen point nine. All right. It's not an election year.
But this is a typical isn't it, or typical of
what's happening right around the country. And I want to
ask you this question. Will amalgamation, as Shane Jones wants,
solve the woes of local body authorities?
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Probably not. It will solve some of the problems. It
will make them administration easier, and certainly the government is
saying that these new unitary authorities have to be able
to implement the two new Planning Acts which are much
more permissive and enabling and growth focused than the previous RIMA,
(32:24):
and those two acts themselves will actually make a substantial
difference and perhaps improved things, and certainly with a smaller
number of councils, that will be an easier they will
be easier to administer. Basically, the lesson of amalgamations worldwide
is you save a lot of money initially with the
(32:46):
administration because let's say you merge five councils and you
actually turn five kind of management layers into one. So
there's savings there, but that's more all that set and
the government is going to find that the problem that
(33:06):
they refuse to acknowledge, which is that they've got far
through much of the money and councils have far through
little of the money. Councils managed thirty percent of New
Zealand's infrastructure, but they've only got about ten percent of
the money that's compulsorily collected and Parliament or government generally
(33:27):
speaking doesn't share the eighty five percent plus that it
gathers through taxations and other charges. And yes the roading
thing is jointly funded. But in the end the issue
(33:48):
is as long as councils are required to do all
the things they are being required to do at the moment,
then there will not be using the current funding systems,
there will not be enough money to pay for them all.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Hey Jim, look, I'm out of time. I'm going to
come back with you in the next week or so
and revisit this topic because I also want to ask
you about interesting things that are happening in the Whiteitaki
electorate when it comes to the general election coming up
on November seven. So nice to chat to you again
on the country and I loved you Sam Neil's story.
Thanks for your time. Thanks Ray, take care, take care
(34:28):
of yourself. Jim up next to Lindy Nelson wraps the country.
Love chatting to this lady because she does a great
job in New Zealand agriculture. Her name is Lindy Nelson.
She's a Safer Farms Director, a Farm Without Harm ambassador
and a Wira rapper farmer and Eketahuna. One of my
(34:48):
favorite golf courses in the country. Lindy, I want to
start with the recent flooding because you got hit twice
in the wire a Rapper, and I know it was
worse further south and more coastal, but how did you
guy get on a Neckadahuna? Good afternoon, by the way, Hi, Jamie.
Speaker 8 (35:05):
Relatively unscathed compared to our friends and colleagues in south
Way Rapper. So had a bridge get taken out, and
of course it's pretty wet now underfoot, but a few slips,
but nothing like the carnage that we saw in Southway
Rapper and kai Kora and Blenham areas. So really heart
(35:29):
goes out to those folks because that's a big, big
job in front of them.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
You were telling me in the commercial break before going
to air that the bridge goes out every time there's
a flood, basically from slash or whatever trees coming down
from upstream.
Speaker 8 (35:43):
Yeah, it does, and that is a real ongoing problem
for us. You know, it can handle the water volume
that is coming down, but now we're getting either forestry
slash or willow clearance slash that comes down and you
get a couple of those massive logs jammed up on
your bridge with water behind them and it just you know,
(36:04):
or your timber decking and things just goes.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Yeah, I'm sure a lot of farmers can sympathize with
your plight there. You are a bit of a safety
legend there, Lindy. You won the National Safety Leadership Awards.
You won National Leader of the Year, beat off some
of the big corporates for the work you're doing for
Safer Farms.
Speaker 8 (36:21):
Well done you, thank you, and you know what, Jomie,
that was pretty meaningful to me because I am not
a health and safety expert. I'm a farmer who recognize
that there's a problem that we need to address, and
we need to address for.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
A lot of reasons.
Speaker 8 (36:36):
The fatalities are serious injuries we're getting on farm, but
also from a consumer perspective, I think of the story
of our harm got out there, it would not be
a good consumer story. So to get recognized for the
work that Safer Farms is doing, and particularly around the
(36:56):
farm without Harm strategy, which is a whole new approach
to how we tackle this farmer led working with farmers
us pretty chuffed.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Well good on you mind you we are improving. Look
at these stats that someone has given me. The fall
and farm related acc claims twenty five, eight hundred and
twenty twenty. We're down to seventeen thy, three hundred and
twenty twenty five last year and this year up to
June thirties tracking really well as well. So I know
we can always do better, but that's not a bad start.
Speaker 8 (37:28):
And I want to congratulate every single farmer out there
that made different decisions to keep themselves and their teams safe,
because it's the little stuff that really adds up and
really counts, and so the credit belongs to the farmers.
And yes, some of the work that we are doing
is actually really bringing awareness and practical solutions and putting
(37:51):
them in front of farmers. And the great work our
safety champions are doing, which is reframing safety from what
people thought it was policies and compliance and being told
what to do to actually how do we work together?
What are the good stuff out there that's working? So
up to the farmers out there have done great, great work.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
I spoke to one of you or chatted to one
of your safety champions on yesterday's show, Chloe Butcher harries,
My goodness, that girl is a live wire. She's just
a breath of fresh air. And you've also got George
Dodson twenty twenty four Young Farmer of the Year as
one of your safety champions, and the pair of them
have a wonderfully high profile, especially on social media.
Speaker 8 (38:35):
They do, and that was what attracted us to Chloe
and George because they just say it how it is
and farmers relate to that. This is relatable farmer voices.
These guys are not health and safety champions intact, they're
learning as we go along, and you know we are
mentoring them and teaching them around some of the good
safety practices, but they're prepared to put it out there
(38:58):
and share their message and it's getting great uptake.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Hey, Lindy Nelson as always great to chat here on
the country. And I hope you guys and the wire
Rapper in fact the east coast of both islands so
by the floods can recover as quickly as possible. I
know it's been very challenging on farm.
Speaker 8 (39:15):
Thank you, Jamie and thanks for the conversation. We I
think you put your hand up to say you'd like
to be one of our safety champions, wouldn't they Well.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
You don't want a pale style middle age getting long
in the tooth mail, do you I mean you want
sexy young people like Chloe and George.
Speaker 8 (39:31):
Well, the majority of our farming sector are about.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
My age, closer to my age than their age. Yes,
I could always tell the story about chainsawing and gun
boots and without air muffs and why I'm deaf. Now,
I could do that. I could tell that story for you, Lindy,
but I'm out of time, out of time for stories.
Thanks for your time.
Speaker 5 (39:48):
Cheers, Thanks Jamie, Bye.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
Thanks Lindy. Mind you sometimes it's quite useful being deaf
if the old program directors in your ear. Never mind.
Now I'm going to have a fight tomorrow with one
sit on the Country. Looking forward to We'll see you then.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
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