May 30, 2026 • 40 mins
Rates are going up again, more than 7% in Auckland, buyers are cautious, the OCR will not be dropping anytime soon, and the market remains soft.
In such a volatile market, those selling a home need to be careful that their property has value, and any changes actually add value if they have any hopes of real estate success.
Interior designer Kelly Gammie joined Tim Beveridge to reveal which renovations add value, and which details age a home.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
You're listening to the Weekend Collective podcast from News Talks
dB and a very well.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Welcome or welcome back to the Weekend Collector Ion Tim Beverage,
and you can email me any times to be a
News Talks you beat at Curt it in there. But
this is the hour where we want your calls. This
is the one roof radio show where we talk well
a multitude of things regarding property. The number is, of
course you know I weight one hundred and eighty ten
eighty text nine to nine two and look, we want
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us talk about have a bit of a chat about
what you should or shouldn't do with your property when
it comes to improving it, if maybe in the context
of selling it. Of course, you know everything's going up.
Rates are going up again by as a cautious the
ocr Look, okay, that was held steady, but it's not
going It's not going down anytime soon, mind you. Two
(00:54):
point two five percent, I mean for the ocos, not
exactly the highest rate in the world, as you heard
in our last hour with Pete saying, oh I think
it was Joe McCarroll saying, you know that if you
were lucky to get this side of ten percent with
your more, you're doing well. But anyway, the market, I
think the general gist is that the market is remaining soft.
So I guess if you are wanting to sell your
(01:15):
home in a market that's maybe not as energized as
it would have been. I mean, there would have been
a time I can remember with the one referred to
show when things are just going nuts and simply just
put it the act of saying I've got a house,
I want to sell it, and boom far ware you go,
name your price, stick it to auction, and wait for
the frenzy to die down and away you go. But
these days, maybe you have to work a little bit
(01:37):
harder to sell your home. And does that involve making
a change or adding any value? So what do you reckon?
What's your approach if you are selling your house? Because
often you get used and I find that we've still
got renovation where we're halfway through renovating everything pretty much,
and our stairwell is still bear jib. And the irony
(01:57):
would be I would think that if we suddenly went
to sell it, I'd suddenly be like, oh, I better
get the builders in to clad that and paint it.
Whereas I don't know. Would that just be a waste
of money? Should I just would it be best just
to leave that to the next bart and look and go, oh,
look there's a bit of work to do here. Hooray,
someone's left it to us. As I'm saying that, I'm
(02:18):
thinking they probably don't love that. But anyway, where is
money well spent when it comes to getting your property
ready to stick on the market? Anyway to discuss that
and other things interior design? Should I say she is
an interior designer at All Birds in Terriors. Your name
is Kelly Gammy and she's with me. Now, good it, Kelly?
How are you?
Speaker 3 (02:36):
I'm good tim, It's really nice to be back. Thanks
for having me back again.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
You're limping today, ankle. Well tell us how you did it?
Was it something exciting? Did you fall off a ladder
painting your favorite shade of blue? Or I don't know
where they came from.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
I don't know where that came from either. It should
be something like that related to my work, but it wasn't.
I was on holidays in Melbourne visiting my daughter and
also over there for Melbourne Design Week, and unfortunately I
saw nothing of Melbourne Design week. I saw the inside
of somebody's house with my leg up because I broke
my ankle on the first day chasing EMUs and jumping
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a ditch.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Ah, So in the process of changing chasing an emu,
you jumped a ditch and failed.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Yes, well I was. I was trying to be sensible,
you know, tentatively walking down the ditch and saying to myself,
you know, be careful. I kind of got halfway down
and said, stop being an old woman, just jump this,
and I did. And I should have just stayed being
an old woman and not pretended I was a twenty
five year old late the ones I was hanging out with.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Ah, were you actually chasing an emu or just following
them for interest?
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Well, it was kind of more following them for this,
but chasing a better story.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
I think chasing an EMU sounds slightly more reckless.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
And it was on the side of the road though,
so it was kind of in a petting zoo. It
was like on the side of that.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
So what were you hoping to? Were you trying to
show them to somewhere safety?
Speaker 3 (04:02):
So that didn't you We're just trying to view them.
We had an some English tourist friends with us, and
they we'd ticked the kangaroos on the side of the
road and then we saw some memeus, so oh yeah,
we wanted to show them.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Actually that is that is something to sort of. That
is something very Australian. It's like, you know, just driving
past them. There some memes running around.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
And came in a paddock, had come into a paddock.
The kangaroos jumped out of the paddock.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
So as they do. How big? How taller? EMUs that
they're not as big as an Ostrich. No, they're not.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
I think they're about I would say maybe they stand
between five and six foot time possibly.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Did you know you'd breaken it when you fell over?
Speaker 3 (04:40):
I didn't. I thought i'd just sprained it, because I'd
do that quite a lot. But then and I was laughing,
and my daughter and her friend were laughing, and then
I looked down and I wasn't laughing anymore, and they said,
maybe we'd take you to the hospital.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Okay, So what were you What did you miss out on?
I mean, do you have an idea what you missed
out at Melbourne Design Week?
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Melbourne Design Week's quite an interesting event. There's a lot
of exhibi of new product, a lot of designers and
furniture producers and products getting involved and show what's new.
And it's quite a creative design week.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
So.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Something that doesn't mean that's a focus on the more
artistic sort of approachice to design rather than you know,
there'd be a practice side. Here's the latest, as opposed
to well, I mean he's the latest, would be one
side of things and here's something that's kind of out there.
Wouldn't that be fun if you had them a.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Bit of both, really a bit of both, because you'll
see the latest products that are being sold in the market.
You'll see things that are prototypes. You'll see artists and
artisans and crafts people doing exhibitions alongside designers. So it's
quite interesting. And New Zealand's starting to do one now
(05:57):
as well. We've got New Zealand Design Week and this
last last year was was a really good week of
interesting seminars and design exhibitions for the public as well
as the industry.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
As I mean, as all sort of avant garde designs
are they generally I would I'll just make a generalization,
whether I'm right or wrong, I would imagine you have
to have a fairly healthy budget to do anything too
bold when it comes to your design, or is it
just the limits of your imagination.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
It's a bit of both really, because I think, like
the clothing industry, the mainstream producers of homewares follow those
high end designers pretty quickly. So if you're wanting to
be kind of ahead of the curve, it generally does
cost you a little bit more to invest in pieces
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from European companies or even local makers, because they're more bespoke,
perhaps if they're local makers. But I have noticed that
the producers are starting to replicate those things quite quickly,
as they do in any industry.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Actually, on that, and we haven't quite got to the
way I framed the introduction. No, we don't know. We
haven't got nowhere near it yet, but we will. In fact,
we will throw it open to you as well, Ok,
to the callers ten eighty do you worry about you know,
where do you spend money? Well, if you're looking at
selling your house or do you leave it to the
next person? But is where is money poorly spent? As
(07:33):
a general question, we'd love you to join us if
you've got any questions for Kelly as well as she's
an interior designer at All Birds and Terrors and they
do some pretty tim it's rare birds, rare birds.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Sorry, birds are those beautiful news rare bird?
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Remember you know what? As that my producers looking at
me or she's going, she's gone a little bit pink.
Funny thing is I as I looked it up and
I typed in all birds in Terriors and clicked on
it and it went to rare birds in Terriors, And
just as you said that, I thought it's rare birds
and in terriors. And then just as you called me
over the coals on it. The funny thing was because
(08:07):
I was thinking, that's weird. It's just like the show
and it's not anyway rare birds interiors that's better. My
apologies most accepted, But how I do have a question
on that though. So when people come to you for
innovative design, yes, and they're interested in the latest trends. So,
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for instance, I'm looking at the kitchen that's on the
Rare Bird's website, which you know, very familiar. I was
examining it last time. How long do those kitchens last? Because,
for instance, for the average punter, I stick a kitchen
until probably I'm thinking until it falls apart. You know
want pretty, you want attractive, clean functionality that looks a bit,
(08:49):
you know what a lovely kitchen stylish? And yet there
be a time when everything dates? Does everything? Oh does
everything date?
Speaker 5 (09:01):
It?
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Can?
Speaker 3 (09:02):
It can? I don't know if it. I think it
dates if you adamantly follow a trend what's on trend,
because whatever is on trend is always out of trend.
So if you follow that to the tea and everything
is what's fashionable right at the point, then it's going
to be unfashionable at some stage. If you're just taking
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little pieces of what's on trend and adding it to
either the architectural style of your house or your own
personal style, I don't think it necessarily dates. But I
think we always I think we touched on this last time.
I think things always have a period of time that
we see trends or looks. I would say a look
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of something that can be nineteen twenties, nineteen sixties, two
thousand's present moment, and what's an.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Example of a trend changing where you can see where
it's it's obvious that that was always going to happen,
or What are the things that change? Is it the materials,
because now we've got far more modern construction techniques and
so many more choices. Is it more likely to be colors?
Speaker 3 (10:12):
And definitely colors, materials, details, they all change, We've seen.
And I was reading an article just recently about what
dates something and one one point, it was an article
from England, was white kitchens would date a house.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
So hands up guilty.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
And then I was speaking to one of our cabinet
makers the other day and he said he is seeing
a lot coming through his workshop of mixed materials. He said,
I don't see any white kitchens come through anymore. He said,
I see mixes of timbers and stones and metals and
all different types of materials rather than a flat white color.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
So that's interesting because we went on our designer Kevin
when it was funny. We were basically opening up what
was one, two, three, four rooms, a terrace, a small
dining room, a tiny kitchen, and a living room into
one big room. And the funniest thing it was quite
(11:21):
funny because we got Kevin in because we wanted him
to do. Initially it was word of mouth. A bookshelf
next to the it doesn't matter where. It was going
to be a bookshelf in some cabinet tree, and we
hadn't made a mind up. We'd literally emptied the whole
space out and it was bare walls, and we just
hadn't worked out what we're doing. And he came in
(11:43):
and he said, actually, my main business is kitchens, And
I said what would you do? And he says, I'd
do this, and he described it and then he drew it,
and then we did it because it all made sense.
But I guess so in terms of the structural choices
of what he did, obviously you're not going to change that.
But the colors, we went with white, and of course
(12:05):
budget conscious Tim initially goes, well just have plain white, yeah,
And he goes, yeah, well for a little bit extra,
it will cost a bit more, but you know, you
could have a particularly glossy type of a special type
of finish which is.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Probably gives a bit more pertform type.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
And we'd ended up doing that and we never regretted it.
But of course before we were going to update it.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
How long ago did you do it? Timm fifty, Yeah,
so that would date it into that time when white
kitchens were quite Yeah. But it's a common thing. And
I'm not saying white, don't do a white kitchen, but
I think probably when you do it, you did it,
and Kevin even said it to you, don't just do
a flat white kitchen.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Well we used good materials.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Yeah, use good materials. And what's really important these days
is textuality, so making sure there's texture in there. So
if you are going to use white, maybe you're incorporating
some white that's got some paneling detail on it that's
not just flat. Maybe your stone is if you're wanting
to stick with a white palette, you have got some
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interest within that stone, it's just not flat white. Or
you've got some texture in your splash back and it's
not a flat white.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
So well that's what we went with, the sort of
stony stick texted. But the interesting thing is if we
want to update our kitchen, not we're going to because
we've got so much other things to do, so it's
not on the top of the shopping list. But you know,
if the lotto numbers come in tonight, you know can
call me.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Okay, call me, I'll help you.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
But actually that is one of the things where you
could update something, so you might have your bench top.
You might have your floor and that's all locked in.
But it simply for us if we changed the colors
of the if you changed your short your draw fronts, yes,
and your cupboards, yes, that completely. That's the new kitchen,
isn't that.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
I'm working with a client at the moment, and she
bought a property and it had a plain white kitchen
in it. It didn't have a white bench top, but
the bench top dated it. So we've left the cupboards.
We've changed handles, made the handles more modern, so the
cupboards are still white. We've added some paneling to part
of it to create some texture. We've put a new
bench stop in, so that's not a huge expense to
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put bench tops in. It is if you're putting high
end natural stone. But there's a huge selection now that
wasn't available possibly when you did your kitchen.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Actually, what has happened with the new because there's all
this thing about health and safety with the bench stops.
And I noticed when the guys put it in, they
were they were doing the final finishing with grinders, but
it was all water based. Everything was sprayed down, so
there was and so they were conscious. But there's this
thing with the dust and everything of those, yes, a
type of benchtops. Have there been changes made in what's
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what people are using now?
Speaker 3 (14:49):
There has been changes with the engineered benchtops bench shops
with their silica content and so there are much lower
content these days. But I think there was more of
a problem in Australia than there was a New Zealand
because the industry here is a lot kind of stricter
on their health policies and most of the fabricators have
really good structure for ventilation when they're producing it, whereas
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in Australia there's a whole lot of cowboys. You know,
there's EMUs, kangaroos, cowboys. So you know, I think they
brought in those rules because there are a lot of
fabricators in Australia who weren't really producing them in the
way they should have.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Okay, I mean, is that something you should bear in
mind if you are if you're renovating a kitchen. Is
that I don't think we ever thought about whether we
wanted to future proof it. We just thought this is
a sort of classic clean look and we're fine, well,
this is what we're doing, and you know, we're engaged
in all the decisions around the other stone sort of
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side of things. But are there should you be future
focused when you are doing a renovation. I'm looking at
the one. I mean obviously as soon as I opened
your website there is a very distinctive kitchen. Yes, that's
very distinct gorgeous, okay, but will there be a time
when the people who own that kitchen go over this.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
They're going to love it for the rest of their lives. Yes,
absolutely so.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Some things don't date well.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
As I was saying before, that's a bit of avant garde.
It's not following any particular trend. I mean the use
of paneling and the shaped panels on that are influenced
by what is happening a lot in design at the moment.
But the shapes are very unique, so it's not on
trend now. It's not going to be you know, out
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of fashion very quickly. And it's a very individual focused
kitchen so it suits the beachside residents that it's in
and possibly the quirkiness of the people who live there.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
So yeah, okay, look, we love your cause as well.
If you've got any questions for Kelly Gammy, she's interior
designer at Rare Birds and Terriors, but more specifically, you've
got an opinion on it. Where would you spend money? Well?
And do you actually think about the future when you renovate,
which seems a strange question to ask because you're renovate
him because you want to update. But I mean, how
far ahead do you look? Do you think? Okay, well,
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we'll just do what we want now and if we
need to change it, we'll rip everything out and go again,
which for many people would be something of a luxury.
Twenty four and a half past four. We'll be back
in just a moment. Moment. The number is eight hundred
eighty ten eighty back soon. News Talk said, be this
is one roof radio show. We're with Kelly Gammy from
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she's an interior designer at Rare Birds in Terriors talking
and we haven't really got onto it. And that's a
bit naughty of me about where is money badly spent
when it comes to doing a renovation? But also it's
all tight in doing the right thing or the wrong thing,
I guess. But Kelly, we were just talking in the
break about I mean, you work in a range of budgets,
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I guess, but you've got some fairly high high end clients.
Have you ever walked into a gorgeous what I would
think was, you know, you'd be expecting to walk in
and go, well, this is fantastic and going, oh my god,
what on earth have they done here? I've got a job?
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Yes, absolutely, And as we're talking in the break, we're
working on a project at the moment, and that's a
fifteen million dollar project on the Harbor side. And our
project coordinator and myself and our other designer went to
site to have a look and to make a schedule
of what needed to be addressed. And the coordinator was
so excited to be going to this fifteen million dollar
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house and we'd seen all the real estate photos and
she got in there and she's like, oh right.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
What was it? Was it the house or was it
the kitchen or the loude.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
I think it was a combination of everything, And I mean,
bless her. I think the previous owner was a lady
who felt that she had some design capability.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Bit so she was happy with what she'd love I imagine.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
So yeah, but I mean it wasn't good enough because
otherwise we wouldn't have been called in there to redo
the whole house. And I think the main issue of
that and the question was you know, what was your
how did you feel when you walked in there, is
that every single room in that house had a different
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theme or a different look going on, and there was
no consistency. So I think that happens a lot where
people see things that they love, but they don't understand
that you're trying to weave a similar story through your
whole house to give it a more high end look
or a more finished look.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Actually, is that a consistent theme? You would say, is
if we're talking about principles and design that don't try
and be too clever by having a whole lot of
contrast and making even so much as the master bedroom
and how much that should resemble what you've done in
other parts of the house. I mean, how important is
it for things to feel that they're all linked up.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
I think it's really important to make a house look
consistent and also look more valuable if there is a
consistency between room to room with a theme and they
don't have to be all matchy matchy, but you need
something to connect them, whether it's a color palette or
its materiality, or it's certain types of fittings. And if
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I go back to that house we're talking about, every
single room had a different style of lighting. There was
no connection between one and the other. And even in
one of the master bedrooms, all the lighting was from
a different story. We had caught and steel lamps, we
had shad of ears, we had all different stories going
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on in the same space, and then from room to room,
different stories going on.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
So they feel quite clunky.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Yeah, clunky, and there's a real clash. And it's not
as because interior design is about creating emotion, and so
if you have a consistency from room to room, it's
a lot more relaxed. You feel better in a space
if you have a consistency from one space to it.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Actually, I want to dig into you with color on
that too, because you might have I mean, there'd be
plenty of homes which would feel like they're still ticking
that box, even though paint the colors in a room
that might be different. I'm not digging to that in
a second. But we've got some calls, so let's take
some calls. Stuart.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Hello, Yeah, hello there. My question might not be applicable,
but I did a new build and got the black
fake marble top with the little bit of glitter coming
through us, and also got some fancy taps. The taps
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leaked like hell and under warranty it took them probably
twelve months to get fixed, and I now have a
huge whitish water stain on the top. Any ideas about
what I could do to solve that?
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Oh, okay, you've got a start. I can not sure
if this is your ballpark or not, Kelly.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
It's not, but I do kind of know. I mean,
there are a few was it Stewart? There are a
few companies Stuart in Auckland that will resurface your stone.
One of them is called Luster And I'm not plugging anybody,
but it just makes it easier for you and they
will come back and deal with that stain. Sometimes it
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might need resurfacing, but they're probably there are companies that
can do that for.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
You, so it can be solved.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Yes, we think was it stained when you bought it?
Speaker 4 (22:38):
It was brilliant. It was just the fact that we
had a dodgy central tap thing that they couldn't fix
under warranty, and in the end they had to get
these obscure washes in from overseas and in the meantime,
we've got a huge whitish water stain that you can
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live with, but it's not brilliant.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Hang on, so you've been top has a water stain?
Was it because the tap was leaking from the base
and there's a stain around where the tap comes out.
Is that happened?
Speaker 4 (23:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:14):
That to me sounds like something you could almost if
it's a warranty question. If you the dodgy tap is
messed with your bench top, I mean it does sound
like you probably have to go to the small claims
court for.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
It, but often be an insurance claim as well.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Insurance. You thought about insurance?
Speaker 4 (23:28):
No, I hadn't.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Oh, there we go.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
It's a good point something to look into.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Well.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
I would also write to the actually go for insurance
first up, you know, you go for insurance. There you go,
give it a whirl.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Indeed, okayte And if it really sucks, insurance Just so
you want to replace the bench top because they can't
repair it, and then get away from the black and
the glitter. Possibly the letter sounded interesting. I actually grimaced.
I'm not sure what your reaction was.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
I'm not saying anything. I'm saying anything.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Um actually now color wise, yes, so we haven't done this.
I actually asked my daughters because I repainted their rooms.
I actually asked them if they wanted to choose a color.
And I'm guilty. I'm guilty to say this because you're
in terior designer and I didn't want to do a
feature war. But I was thinking, as you walk into
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my daughter's room, there's one war, which is you know,
it's the main everything else is cabital window. So I
was thinking, would you like to have that in a particular color?
And maybe I could do the other one, but that
would mean different colors. Is there a prohibition on individual
bedrooms having different color palettes? And what's the what are
(24:43):
the goidlines?
Speaker 3 (24:44):
The goidlines. I don't think there's a problem having different
colors in different rooms as long as they're cohesive. So
if they all follow a warm color palette or a
cool color palette, that will give you the kind of
more livable sense in your home. And I think kind
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of feature walls are a little bit of the past
now we're seeing more colorsaturation.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Seriously, thinking feature wall, I was just thinking the least
painting for.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Dad all the walls.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Well, it only would have meant doing one other. In fact,
I'm pretty sure that sometimes I do embark on things
and think I'm going to have because at the moment
where we're redoing a laundry and I've had to because
of work that was done upstairs. There's been a hole
in the ceiling for about a year which I patched
and just hadn't finally painted. And then you've finished doing
(25:43):
there's another wall, and I painted that, and I realized
that my wife's request to do all the walls is
probably the right one, even though I just wanted to
do the bare minimum.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
But can give you some names of some painting companies
if you liked quicker.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Oh no, not, because then you know I'd rather pay myself.
I'm actually reasonably good at the plastering and painting.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
If you enjoy it, that's a great thing.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
I enjoy not spending money on it. That makes sense too,
doesn't it? Feeling judged? Feeling judged anyway, I tell you what.
Let's go to Jennifer.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
Hello, Hi, I'm just going to ask about the height
of kitchen cabinets. It's my pet peeve, and be my
pet peeve for a long time being a slightly taller woman.
I'm only five eight, so that's not hugely tall. However,
it appears to me that the height of kitchen benches
in kitchens has not changed since about the nineteen fifties,
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when a it was mainly women in the kitchen, which
really grinds mcgears anyway. But and B and you know,
people have got taller, and now there are a lot
more men in the kitchen. Why on earth can we
not get taller kitchen cabinets Like I've just had mine
redone pulled out and got new ones made, and I
got them up to a decent height, but it was
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incredibly difficult. I had to get the builder to adapt
to floor the floor height to put them up. The
kitchen cabinets were themselves the same height, but we just
put them on a little boxing thing.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Yeah, so were you getting ready? Were you getting kitchen
cabinet tree that was to a certain standard, you know, height?
Speaker 5 (27:21):
Yeah, only most of them.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
Well, all the.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
Kitchen cabinet tree that I've seen and I could access
is the same high that they were in the nineteen
fifties and sixties. And yet women have grown.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
No, No, I've got your point.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
Yeah, Actually that's men are in the kitchen. You know,
that's an.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Interesting question, Kelly, because we've just redone our bathroom and
choosing the height for because we had a basin that
sat on it, and I know this is not kitchens,
but I don't worry, Jennifer, I'm going to keep that
in the picture.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
That's the same thing.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
But we were trying to work out it was so
much of a rule of thumb. It's like, well, we've
got the basin sitting on top of the cabinetry, so
it's going to need to be a little bit lower,
so the top of the basin's not too How high
should the top of the basin be. It's the same
thing with kit What approach do you take to heights
of cabinet truck?
Speaker 3 (28:09):
We usually do a standard in our kitchens to nine
hundred and ten high. That's where we start from, and
if we have extra tall clients who want it raised up,
we do raise it up. I think that highest one
we've done is nine fifty. You probably wouldn't want it
too much higher than that unless you're a family of
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basketball players.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
How high are yours, Jennifer.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
Oh, I've got them just under the meter, and so
they're more like a like thing. Yeah no, no, just
about nine eighty five.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
And your kitchen, kitchen, yep bench.
Speaker 5 (28:47):
Seeing your kitchen bench everything, and you're talking about future
proofing before and to me, this is a future proofing
my house because to me, a guy is going to
walk in there and go, whoaha, Finally a kitchen that
I can work in.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
You know.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
I just think there's about time we realize that people
a tour an edit, give us a selection of.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Kitchen That is an interesting thought. There was a very
well known famous New Zealander by the name of Max Cryer,
and I had lunch with Max a few times, and
Max famously had very high kitchen benches and he'd had
them and I'm sure who bought the house had to
rip it all to bits and redo the kitchen because
it was he was six foot seven and a bachelor
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who were at that height. So it's an interesting Thanks Jennifer.
That's I think.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
I think most cabinet makers, unless you're buying it from
Bunnings or the like, most kitchen cabinet makers will make
them to height these days, to height to desired height.
So if you want an extra height then the cabinet
makers will make them to a specified height. I mean,
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we make them to whatever our clients need them.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
If anyone's at home right now and you've got to
take measure, I'd be curious. Just bombard me with a
few text as to how you bent how high your
bench heights, because if you had asked me, Kelly, how
high a kitchen bench was, off the top of my head,
I would have said one meter. But it must be
nine hundred, yeah, it must be.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
We generally do them about nine to ten, which is
a good standard height for you know, unless you're an
extremely tall family, that's quite a standard height to have
that you can that you can use because you know,
you want to be using your elbows to cut things
and things like that. And if it's too high, you
don't have that unless you're an extremely tall family.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Actually, well, you see that is one thing if you
were an extremely tall family and just designed all your
benchtops for really tall people.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Yeah, that's it does limit resale.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Well, that's that is there's an answer to our question,
which I meant to what are the bad things you
can do which might affect your resale? And probably building
your kitchen for basketball players would be one of those
looking at the see isn't it funny? I was looking
at that picture of rarebirdsin terriors dot Com, which is
your front page, and thinking that that bench top. I
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couldn't tell you what a meter looked like anyway. No,
a meat is probably a lot harder than we think, isn't.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
It It is, especially if you're because you want to have,
you know, leverage when you're using the kitchen bench top.
You don't want to be too top tall unless you're
tall yourself.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
I feel like texting my wife and saying, can you
measure our benchtop and see how high it is? You
be like, what are you on?
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Yeah? So we usually do them around at the max
nine ten, unless it's an extremely tall family.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Okay, right, we'll take some look you wanted to call
us and share it with us, your stories about the
renovations you've made and whether in fact you did them
for you or to for resale. But also if you
want to bombard me with just questions around how high
your benches, give us a call. Oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty it is eighteen minutes to five. News Talks EDB,
News Talk ZB somebody's texted and I've got I've a
(32:05):
with a little bit of hate mail. It says, please
stop that jerk Tim talking about his own renovations. That's
from John. He signed it from John and Marsterton. He
wants been to narrow it down. John. Look, just to
point out a few things. If I'm hosting a show
on whatever topic it will be, and I'm having a conversation,
of course I'm going to talk about things from my
(32:25):
own point of view. If you want to add another
point of view, what you hop in instead of being
an abusive jerk yourself is you call up and you
share your story and then we get to hear about John.
And that's how it works with a bit of love.
So there you go. Just to have a think about
that for the future, rather than sending odious little missives
like that one. Now here's some questions. Oh, by the way, Kelly,
(32:48):
So I've got a text from another Kelly here. Just
before I get to that, there's I got quite a
bit of response just to the bench top height nine
thirty milimeters. Oh my god, So I'm getting spammed on
about it. Nine to thirty milimeters. Retirement village minus eight eighty.
That's quite Is that quite low? That's from Carolina.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
It's quite low. It wasn't low forty to fifty years ago.
But I guess if it's in a retirement village, they
want to, you know, adjust it to people who may
not be, you know, from six foot three and mobility
and maybe kind of leaning over a little bit.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Hey, guys, my bench is nineteen is getting too high
from for this five foot nothing short us who's shrinking
height rapidly. I have to have shoes shoes on to reach. Really,
that does nineteen? Okay? Kitchen bench ninety eight centimeters. Previous
owners who built it themselves. We're tall and we aren't,
but it's nice to lean on. Even at five foot three,
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shower heads everything is tall. That's such an I'd never
thought about the height of fixtures. You just assume it's
a big standard, don't you.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Well it is kind of standard, but generally, if people
are doing work in their own homes and they're planning
to stay there for quite a while, then they will
customize it to suit them. Obviously.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Yeah, Hi, Tim, I've been trying to find This is
just a help me question for you, Kelly. I've been
trying to find colored for mica for my nineteen fifty
batch slash home. Nothing in New Zealand. I can find
it in Australia, but I can't get a cabinet maker
to work with me. Any advice from Kelly.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
That's a really interesting question. There is quite a range
of for micro available, certainly not the extensive kind of
patent and colors that were available in the fifties and sixties.
But it's getting better because color is coming back again
and people aren't just doing white kitchens. They are doing
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things that are a little bit more adventurous.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
I feel I'm being trolled with your backhand. Not at all, not.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
At all, not at all. And I noticed that the
Property of the Week is white as well, so I'm
not saying anything about white kitchen.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
The Property of the Week is a ripper, by the way,
but we'll get onto that.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Sorry, I totally forgot.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
I've been trying to get I've been trying to fight
colored for Micah.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
What is what is for mica for Micah is sounds
like seventies. Yeah, it's a it's a synthetic, a man
made product to that to make bench tops out of.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
You know what? I think, let's I'm going to interpolate
as if I'm Kelly, yes, and I'm expecting you to
say give up on the fur Micah. There are some
other choices you can make, make which you'll still get
you that vibe.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Is that not necessarily? No, not necessarily. I mean there
are interesting for micas around. They're obviously a better entry
level cost price cost point, and it's.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
A nineteen fifty batch home.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
So often for Micah is consistent with the design aesthetics
of that time. We certainly don't have all the patterns
and the interesting for micas that were available back then
because people are using stone a lot more now than
what they were in the fifties. But there are a
few companies who do different for micas or lemon X.
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Lemnx is one of them.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Seems strange I can find in Australia, but I can't
get a cabinet maker to work with me. Does that
mean the cabinet maker won't have access to that material?
So doesn't you know.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
A lot of cabinet makers are quite restrictive in what
they do, and that's why maybe going through an interior
designer or a kitchen a specialist in kitchens might be
a better way to go because they'll have more access
to more product, and they will they'll probably champion you
a bit with a cabinet maker to say that, look,
we really want to use this product.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Okay, so instead of so you'd be searching for I'm
guessing it's for a kitchen, isn't it for mic I mean.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Yes, it's a bench top, so I use it on
bench tops.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Okay. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
And there are more colors coming out because I think
you know, we went through this wave where kitchens were white,
and now the wave in interiors again is a lot
more color, a lot or texture. So we're seeing the
reintroduction of different textures and colors and patterns back into
things like for mica.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
And I've got a quick question which might require more
time than we've got actually, but I'll throw it out
there anyway. If you are looking to change the color
sort of scheme of your home, Yes, are the you
know everywhere, whether it be Duex or Razine or the
different paint companies, they are all can will give you
suggestions of families of color. Yes, is that quite a
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good Is that quite a good way to approach having
maybe a bit of variation within the house, and yet
it's sticking to a certain color template because they spend
a lot more time thinking about it than I do.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
Yeah, it depends on your personality really. I mean, if
you like things a little bit calmer, then yes, absolutely
do stick to more one family of color. But if
you like a little bit more life, then you can
use a lot more contrast and opposing color palette to
give you a bit more energy and life.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
So if you were doing different colors in each room,
for instance, would a way of keeping up sort of
having a sense of consistency be that, well, you might
have the same color or the same flooring at least
at least linking it up in one way or another
and light footings and all that. Or is that just
a dumb question.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
No questions are dumb, tim No questions are dumb. I
think that really comes down to personal taste and whether
what you want the feel of your home, because in
the end, that's what interior is about, is how you
feel in a space. So certain spaces might want to
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energize you, other spaces might want to calm you. Just
depends on what the function of that space is, on
how you would choose your colors, whether you're going to
have more monochromatic, meaning the colors all the same, or
you're going to have some contrast of color.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Okay, Okay, I think I need to dig into that
more in another time. But anyway, hey, look we've got
to come back with the one with probably the week.
It is eight minutes to five news talks. He'd be
probably the week. Go and check it out. It as
a flat apartment to sixteen View Road in Mount Eden,
three bedrooms, two bathrooms. I won't go through the boring details.
(39:14):
It's got an asking price of three million bucks or
should I say two nine nine nine zero zero zero.
But it is notable because it is it's one of
looks like about four apartments, which is part of what
was the historic Saint James's Church. And look, it's a
lot of white, isn't it, Kelly. But at the it's
(39:37):
a stunning looking building and a great looking location. And so,
I mean, I would imagine there'd be quite a lot
of interest in this property. What do you reckon? What's
your take on it?
Speaker 3 (39:46):
I love the spaces that are available. Like you said,
there's a lot of white, but it's an incrediblely great
blank canvas to be adding to by adding more color
and texture with papers.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
And it's interesting that the staging because it's all white
walls and there's a bit of a very white kitchen
with a little bit of modern camera cabinet tree, but
the staging is underwhelming. Perhaps it's surprising that they've gone
so bland with the bed coverings and stage because it's
clearly been staged. Yeah, I mean that's time.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
Welcome or welcome back to the Weekend Collector Ion Tim Beverage,
and you can email me any times to be a
News Talks you beat at Curt it in there. But
this is the hour where we want your calls. This
is the one roof radio show where we talk well
a multitude of things regarding property. The number is, of
course you know I weight one hundred and eighty ten
eighty text nine to nine two and look, we want
(00:33):
us talk about have a bit of a chat about
what you should or shouldn't do with your property when
it comes to improving it, if maybe in the context
of selling it. Of course, you know everything's going up.
Rates are going up again by as a cautious the
ocr Look, okay, that was held steady, but it's not
going It's not going down anytime soon, mind you. Two
(00:54):
point two five percent, I mean for the ocos, not
exactly the highest rate in the world, as you heard
in our last hour with Pete saying, oh I think
it was Joe McCarroll saying, you know that if you
were lucky to get this side of ten percent with
your more, you're doing well. But anyway, the market, I
think the general gist is that the market is remaining soft.
So I guess if you are wanting to sell your
(01:15):
home in a market that's maybe not as energized as
it would have been. I mean, there would have been
a time I can remember with the one referred to
show when things are just going nuts and simply just
put it the act of saying I've got a house,
I want to sell it, and boom far ware you go,
name your price, stick it to auction, and wait for
the frenzy to die down and away you go. But
these days, maybe you have to work a little bit
(01:37):
harder to sell your home. And does that involve making
a change or adding any value? So what do you reckon?
What's your approach if you are selling your house? Because
often you get used and I find that we've still
got renovation where we're halfway through renovating everything pretty much,
and our stairwell is still bear jib. And the irony
(01:57):
would be I would think that if we suddenly went
to sell it, I'd suddenly be like, oh, I better
get the builders in to clad that and paint it.
Whereas I don't know. Would that just be a waste
of money? Should I just would it be best just
to leave that to the next bart and look and go, oh,
look there's a bit of work to do here. Hooray,
someone's left it to us. As I'm saying that, I'm
(02:18):
thinking they probably don't love that. But anyway, where is
money well spent when it comes to getting your property
ready to stick on the market? Anyway to discuss that
and other things interior design? Should I say she is
an interior designer at All Birds in Terriors. Your name
is Kelly Gammy and she's with me. Now, good it, Kelly?
How are you?
Speaker 3 (02:36):
I'm good tim, It's really nice to be back. Thanks
for having me back again.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
You're limping today, ankle. Well tell us how you did it?
Was it something exciting? Did you fall off a ladder
painting your favorite shade of blue? Or I don't know
where they came from.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
I don't know where that came from either. It should
be something like that related to my work, but it wasn't.
I was on holidays in Melbourne visiting my daughter and
also over there for Melbourne Design Week, and unfortunately I
saw nothing of Melbourne Design week. I saw the inside
of somebody's house with my leg up because I broke
my ankle on the first day chasing EMUs and jumping
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a ditch.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Ah, So in the process of changing chasing an emu,
you jumped a ditch and failed.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Yes, well I was. I was trying to be sensible,
you know, tentatively walking down the ditch and saying to myself,
you know, be careful. I kind of got halfway down
and said, stop being an old woman, just jump this,
and I did. And I should have just stayed being
an old woman and not pretended I was a twenty
five year old late the ones I was hanging out with.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Ah, were you actually chasing an emu or just following
them for interest?
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Well, it was kind of more following them for this,
but chasing a better story.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
I think chasing an EMU sounds slightly more reckless.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
And it was on the side of the road though,
so it was kind of in a petting zoo. It
was like on the side of that.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
So what were you hoping to? Were you trying to
show them to somewhere safety?
Speaker 3 (04:02):
So that didn't you We're just trying to view them.
We had an some English tourist friends with us, and
they we'd ticked the kangaroos on the side of the
road and then we saw some memeus, so oh yeah,
we wanted to show them.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Actually that is that is something to sort of. That
is something very Australian. It's like, you know, just driving
past them. There some memes running around.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
And came in a paddock, had come into a paddock.
The kangaroos jumped out of the paddock.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
So as they do. How big? How taller? EMUs that
they're not as big as an Ostrich. No, they're not.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
I think they're about I would say maybe they stand
between five and six foot time possibly.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Did you know you'd breaken it when you fell over?
Speaker 3 (04:40):
I didn't. I thought i'd just sprained it, because I'd
do that quite a lot. But then and I was laughing,
and my daughter and her friend were laughing, and then
I looked down and I wasn't laughing anymore, and they said,
maybe we'd take you to the hospital.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Okay, So what were you What did you miss out on?
I mean, do you have an idea what you missed
out at Melbourne Design Week?
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Melbourne Design Week's quite an interesting event. There's a lot
of exhibi of new product, a lot of designers and
furniture producers and products getting involved and show what's new.
And it's quite a creative design week.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
So.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Something that doesn't mean that's a focus on the more
artistic sort of approachice to design rather than you know,
there'd be a practice side. Here's the latest, as opposed
to well, I mean he's the latest, would be one
side of things and here's something that's kind of out there.
Wouldn't that be fun if you had them a.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Bit of both, really a bit of both, because you'll
see the latest products that are being sold in the market.
You'll see things that are prototypes. You'll see artists and
artisans and crafts people doing exhibitions alongside designers. So it's
quite interesting. And New Zealand's starting to do one now
(05:57):
as well. We've got New Zealand Design Week and this
last last year was was a really good week of
interesting seminars and design exhibitions for the public as well
as the industry.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
As I mean, as all sort of avant garde designs
are they generally I would I'll just make a generalization,
whether I'm right or wrong, I would imagine you have
to have a fairly healthy budget to do anything too
bold when it comes to your design, or is it
just the limits of your imagination.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
It's a bit of both really, because I think, like
the clothing industry, the mainstream producers of homewares follow those
high end designers pretty quickly. So if you're wanting to
be kind of ahead of the curve, it generally does
cost you a little bit more to invest in pieces
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from European companies or even local makers, because they're more bespoke,
perhaps if they're local makers. But I have noticed that
the producers are starting to replicate those things quite quickly,
as they do in any industry.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Actually, on that, and we haven't quite got to the
way I framed the introduction. No, we don't know. We
haven't got nowhere near it yet, but we will. In fact,
we will throw it open to you as well, Ok,
to the callers ten eighty do you worry about you know,
where do you spend money? Well, if you're looking at
selling your house or do you leave it to the
next person? But is where is money poorly spent? As
(07:33):
a general question, we'd love you to join us if
you've got any questions for Kelly as well as she's
an interior designer at All Birds and Terrors and they
do some pretty tim it's rare birds, rare birds.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Sorry, birds are those beautiful news rare bird?
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Remember you know what? As that my producers looking at
me or she's going, she's gone a little bit pink.
Funny thing is I as I looked it up and
I typed in all birds in Terriors and clicked on
it and it went to rare birds in Terriors, And
just as you said that, I thought it's rare birds
and in terriors. And then just as you called me
over the coals on it. The funny thing was because
(08:07):
I was thinking, that's weird. It's just like the show
and it's not anyway rare birds interiors that's better. My
apologies most accepted, But how I do have a question
on that though. So when people come to you for
innovative design, yes, and they're interested in the latest trends. So,
(08:28):
for instance, I'm looking at the kitchen that's on the
Rare Bird's website, which you know, very familiar. I was
examining it last time. How long do those kitchens last? Because,
for instance, for the average punter, I stick a kitchen
until probably I'm thinking until it falls apart. You know
want pretty, you want attractive, clean functionality that looks a bit,
(08:49):
you know what a lovely kitchen stylish? And yet there
be a time when everything dates? Does everything? Oh does
everything date?
Speaker 5 (09:01):
It?
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Can?
Speaker 3 (09:02):
It can? I don't know if it. I think it
dates if you adamantly follow a trend what's on trend,
because whatever is on trend is always out of trend.
So if you follow that to the tea and everything
is what's fashionable right at the point, then it's going
to be unfashionable at some stage. If you're just taking
(09:23):
little pieces of what's on trend and adding it to
either the architectural style of your house or your own
personal style, I don't think it necessarily dates. But I
think we always I think we touched on this last time.
I think things always have a period of time that
we see trends or looks. I would say a look
(09:47):
of something that can be nineteen twenties, nineteen sixties, two
thousand's present moment, and what's an.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Example of a trend changing where you can see where
it's it's obvious that that was always going to happen,
or What are the things that change? Is it the materials,
because now we've got far more modern construction techniques and
so many more choices. Is it more likely to be colors?
Speaker 3 (10:12):
And definitely colors, materials, details, they all change, We've seen.
And I was reading an article just recently about what
dates something and one one point, it was an article
from England, was white kitchens would date a house.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
So hands up guilty.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
And then I was speaking to one of our cabinet
makers the other day and he said he is seeing
a lot coming through his workshop of mixed materials. He said,
I don't see any white kitchens come through anymore. He said,
I see mixes of timbers and stones and metals and
all different types of materials rather than a flat white color.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
So that's interesting because we went on our designer Kevin
when it was funny. We were basically opening up what
was one, two, three, four rooms, a terrace, a small
dining room, a tiny kitchen, and a living room into
one big room. And the funniest thing it was quite
(11:21):
funny because we got Kevin in because we wanted him
to do. Initially it was word of mouth. A bookshelf
next to the it doesn't matter where. It was going
to be a bookshelf in some cabinet tree, and we
hadn't made a mind up. We'd literally emptied the whole
space out and it was bare walls, and we just
hadn't worked out what we're doing. And he came in
(11:43):
and he said, actually, my main business is kitchens, And
I said what would you do? And he says, I'd
do this, and he described it and then he drew it,
and then we did it because it all made sense.
But I guess so in terms of the structural choices
of what he did, obviously you're not going to change that.
But the colors, we went with white, and of course
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budget conscious Tim initially goes, well just have plain white, yeah,
And he goes, yeah, well for a little bit extra,
it will cost a bit more, but you know, you
could have a particularly glossy type of a special type
of finish which is.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Probably gives a bit more pertform type.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
And we'd ended up doing that and we never regretted it.
But of course before we were going to update it.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
How long ago did you do it? Timm fifty, Yeah,
so that would date it into that time when white
kitchens were quite Yeah. But it's a common thing. And
I'm not saying white, don't do a white kitchen, but
I think probably when you do it, you did it,
and Kevin even said it to you, don't just do
a flat white kitchen.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Well we used good materials.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Yeah, use good materials. And what's really important these days
is textuality, so making sure there's texture in there. So
if you are going to use white, maybe you're incorporating
some white that's got some paneling detail on it that's
not just flat. Maybe your stone is if you're wanting
to stick with a white palette, you have got some
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interest within that stone, it's just not flat white. Or
you've got some texture in your splash back and it's
not a flat white.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
So well that's what we went with, the sort of
stony stick texted. But the interesting thing is if we
want to update our kitchen, not we're going to because
we've got so much other things to do, so it's
not on the top of the shopping list. But you know,
if the lotto numbers come in tonight, you know can
call me.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Okay, call me, I'll help you.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
But actually that is one of the things where you
could update something, so you might have your bench top.
You might have your floor and that's all locked in.
But it simply for us if we changed the colors
of the if you changed your short your draw fronts, yes,
and your cupboards, yes, that completely. That's the new kitchen,
isn't that.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
I'm working with a client at the moment, and she
bought a property and it had a plain white kitchen
in it. It didn't have a white bench top, but
the bench top dated it. So we've left the cupboards.
We've changed handles, made the handles more modern, so the
cupboards are still white. We've added some paneling to part
of it to create some texture. We've put a new
bench stop in, so that's not a huge expense to
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put bench tops in. It is if you're putting high
end natural stone. But there's a huge selection now that
wasn't available possibly when you did your kitchen.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Actually, what has happened with the new because there's all
this thing about health and safety with the bench stops.
And I noticed when the guys put it in, they
were they were doing the final finishing with grinders, but
it was all water based. Everything was sprayed down, so
there was and so they were conscious. But there's this
thing with the dust and everything of those, yes, a
type of benchtops. Have there been changes made in what's
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what people are using now?
Speaker 3 (14:49):
There has been changes with the engineered benchtops bench shops
with their silica content and so there are much lower
content these days. But I think there was more of
a problem in Australia than there was a New Zealand
because the industry here is a lot kind of stricter
on their health policies and most of the fabricators have
really good structure for ventilation when they're producing it, whereas
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in Australia there's a whole lot of cowboys. You know,
there's EMUs, kangaroos, cowboys. So you know, I think they
brought in those rules because there are a lot of
fabricators in Australia who weren't really producing them in the
way they should have.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Okay, I mean, is that something you should bear in
mind if you are if you're renovating a kitchen. Is
that I don't think we ever thought about whether we
wanted to future proof it. We just thought this is
a sort of classic clean look and we're fine, well,
this is what we're doing, and you know, we're engaged
in all the decisions around the other stone sort of
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side of things. But are there should you be future
focused when you are doing a renovation. I'm looking at
the one. I mean obviously as soon as I opened
your website there is a very distinctive kitchen. Yes, that's
very distinct gorgeous, okay, but will there be a time
when the people who own that kitchen go over this.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
They're going to love it for the rest of their lives. Yes,
absolutely so.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Some things don't date well.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
As I was saying before, that's a bit of avant garde.
It's not following any particular trend. I mean the use
of paneling and the shaped panels on that are influenced
by what is happening a lot in design at the moment.
But the shapes are very unique, so it's not on
trend now. It's not going to be you know, out
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of fashion very quickly. And it's a very individual focused
kitchen so it suits the beachside residents that it's in
and possibly the quirkiness of the people who live there.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
So yeah, okay, look, we love your cause as well.
If you've got any questions for Kelly Gammy, she's interior
designer at Rare Birds and Terriors, but more specifically, you've
got an opinion on it. Where would you spend money? Well?
And do you actually think about the future when you renovate,
which seems a strange question to ask because you're renovate
him because you want to update. But I mean, how
far ahead do you look? Do you think? Okay, well,
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we'll just do what we want now and if we
need to change it, we'll rip everything out and go again,
which for many people would be something of a luxury.
Twenty four and a half past four. We'll be back
in just a moment. Moment. The number is eight hundred
eighty ten eighty back soon. News Talk said, be this
is one roof radio show. We're with Kelly Gammy from
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she's an interior designer at Rare Birds in Terriors talking
and we haven't really got onto it. And that's a
bit naughty of me about where is money badly spent
when it comes to doing a renovation? But also it's
all tight in doing the right thing or the wrong thing,
I guess. But Kelly, we were just talking in the
break about I mean, you work in a range of budgets,
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I guess, but you've got some fairly high high end clients.
Have you ever walked into a gorgeous what I would
think was, you know, you'd be expecting to walk in
and go, well, this is fantastic and going, oh my god,
what on earth have they done here? I've got a job?
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Yes, absolutely, And as we're talking in the break, we're
working on a project at the moment, and that's a
fifteen million dollar project on the Harbor side. And our
project coordinator and myself and our other designer went to
site to have a look and to make a schedule
of what needed to be addressed. And the coordinator was
so excited to be going to this fifteen million dollar
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house and we'd seen all the real estate photos and
she got in there and she's like, oh right.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
What was it? Was it the house or was it
the kitchen or the loude.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
I think it was a combination of everything, And I mean,
bless her. I think the previous owner was a lady
who felt that she had some design capability.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Bit so she was happy with what she'd love I imagine.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
So yeah, but I mean it wasn't good enough because
otherwise we wouldn't have been called in there to redo
the whole house. And I think the main issue of
that and the question was you know, what was your
how did you feel when you walked in there, is
that every single room in that house had a different
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theme or a different look going on, and there was
no consistency. So I think that happens a lot where
people see things that they love, but they don't understand
that you're trying to weave a similar story through your
whole house to give it a more high end look
or a more finished look.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Actually, is that a consistent theme? You would say, is
if we're talking about principles and design that don't try
and be too clever by having a whole lot of
contrast and making even so much as the master bedroom
and how much that should resemble what you've done in
other parts of the house. I mean, how important is
it for things to feel that they're all linked up.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
I think it's really important to make a house look
consistent and also look more valuable if there is a
consistency between room to room with a theme and they
don't have to be all matchy matchy, but you need
something to connect them, whether it's a color palette or
its materiality, or it's certain types of fittings. And if
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I go back to that house we're talking about, every
single room had a different style of lighting. There was
no connection between one and the other. And even in
one of the master bedrooms, all the lighting was from
a different story. We had caught and steel lamps, we
had shad of ears, we had all different stories going
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on in the same space, and then from room to room,
different stories going on.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
So they feel quite clunky.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Yeah, clunky, and there's a real clash. And it's not
as because interior design is about creating emotion, and so
if you have a consistency from room to room, it's
a lot more relaxed. You feel better in a space
if you have a consistency from one space to it.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Actually, I want to dig into you with color on
that too, because you might have I mean, there'd be
plenty of homes which would feel like they're still ticking
that box, even though paint the colors in a room
that might be different. I'm not digging to that in
a second. But we've got some calls, so let's take
some calls. Stuart.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Hello, Yeah, hello there. My question might not be applicable,
but I did a new build and got the black
fake marble top with the little bit of glitter coming
through us, and also got some fancy taps. The taps
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leaked like hell and under warranty it took them probably
twelve months to get fixed, and I now have a
huge whitish water stain on the top. Any ideas about
what I could do to solve that?
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Oh, okay, you've got a start. I can not sure
if this is your ballpark or not, Kelly.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
It's not, but I do kind of know. I mean,
there are a few was it Stewart? There are a
few companies Stuart in Auckland that will resurface your stone.
One of them is called Luster And I'm not plugging anybody,
but it just makes it easier for you and they
will come back and deal with that stain. Sometimes it
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might need resurfacing, but they're probably there are companies that
can do that for.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
You, so it can be solved.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Yes, we think was it stained when you bought it?
Speaker 4 (22:38):
It was brilliant. It was just the fact that we
had a dodgy central tap thing that they couldn't fix
under warranty, and in the end they had to get
these obscure washes in from overseas and in the meantime,
we've got a huge whitish water stain that you can
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live with, but it's not brilliant.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Hang on, so you've been top has a water stain?
Was it because the tap was leaking from the base
and there's a stain around where the tap comes out.
Is that happened?
Speaker 4 (23:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:14):
That to me sounds like something you could almost if
it's a warranty question. If you the dodgy tap is
messed with your bench top, I mean it does sound
like you probably have to go to the small claims
court for.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
It, but often be an insurance claim as well.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Insurance. You thought about insurance?
Speaker 4 (23:28):
No, I hadn't.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Oh, there we go.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
It's a good point something to look into.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Well.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
I would also write to the actually go for insurance
first up, you know, you go for insurance. There you go,
give it a whirl.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Indeed, okayte And if it really sucks, insurance Just so
you want to replace the bench top because they can't
repair it, and then get away from the black and
the glitter. Possibly the letter sounded interesting. I actually grimaced.
I'm not sure what your reaction was.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
I'm not saying anything. I'm saying anything.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Um actually now color wise, yes, so we haven't done this.
I actually asked my daughters because I repainted their rooms.
I actually asked them if they wanted to choose a color.
And I'm guilty. I'm guilty to say this because you're
in terior designer and I didn't want to do a
feature war. But I was thinking, as you walk into
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my daughter's room, there's one war, which is you know,
it's the main everything else is cabital window. So I
was thinking, would you like to have that in a particular color?
And maybe I could do the other one, but that
would mean different colors. Is there a prohibition on individual
bedrooms having different color palettes? And what's the what are
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the goidlines?
Speaker 3 (24:44):
The goidlines. I don't think there's a problem having different
colors in different rooms as long as they're cohesive. So
if they all follow a warm color palette or a
cool color palette, that will give you the kind of
more livable sense in your home. And I think kind
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of feature walls are a little bit of the past
now we're seeing more colorsaturation.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Seriously, thinking feature wall, I was just thinking the least
painting for.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Dad all the walls.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Well, it only would have meant doing one other. In fact,
I'm pretty sure that sometimes I do embark on things
and think I'm going to have because at the moment
where we're redoing a laundry and I've had to because
of work that was done upstairs. There's been a hole
in the ceiling for about a year which I patched
and just hadn't finally painted. And then you've finished doing
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there's another wall, and I painted that, and I realized
that my wife's request to do all the walls is
probably the right one, even though I just wanted to
do the bare minimum.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
But can give you some names of some painting companies
if you liked quicker.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Oh no, not, because then you know I'd rather pay myself.
I'm actually reasonably good at the plastering and painting.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
If you enjoy it, that's a great thing.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
I enjoy not spending money on it. That makes sense too,
doesn't it? Feeling judged? Feeling judged anyway, I tell you what.
Let's go to Jennifer.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
Hello, Hi, I'm just going to ask about the height
of kitchen cabinets. It's my pet peeve, and be my
pet peeve for a long time being a slightly taller woman.
I'm only five eight, so that's not hugely tall. However,
it appears to me that the height of kitchen benches
in kitchens has not changed since about the nineteen fifties,
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when a it was mainly women in the kitchen, which
really grinds mcgears anyway. But and B and you know,
people have got taller, and now there are a lot
more men in the kitchen. Why on earth can we
not get taller kitchen cabinets Like I've just had mine
redone pulled out and got new ones made, and I
got them up to a decent height, but it was
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incredibly difficult. I had to get the builder to adapt
to floor the floor height to put them up. The
kitchen cabinets were themselves the same height, but we just
put them on a little boxing thing.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Yeah, so were you getting ready? Were you getting kitchen
cabinet tree that was to a certain standard, you know, height?
Speaker 5 (27:21):
Yeah, only most of them.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
Well, all the.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
Kitchen cabinet tree that I've seen and I could access
is the same high that they were in the nineteen
fifties and sixties. And yet women have grown.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
No, No, I've got your point.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
Yeah, Actually that's men are in the kitchen. You know,
that's an.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Interesting question, Kelly, because we've just redone our bathroom and
choosing the height for because we had a basin that
sat on it, and I know this is not kitchens,
but I don't worry, Jennifer, I'm going to keep that
in the picture.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
That's the same thing.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
But we were trying to work out it was so
much of a rule of thumb. It's like, well, we've
got the basin sitting on top of the cabinetry, so
it's going to need to be a little bit lower,
so the top of the basin's not too How high
should the top of the basin be. It's the same
thing with kit What approach do you take to heights
of cabinet truck?
Speaker 3 (28:09):
We usually do a standard in our kitchens to nine
hundred and ten high. That's where we start from, and
if we have extra tall clients who want it raised up,
we do raise it up. I think that highest one
we've done is nine fifty. You probably wouldn't want it
too much higher than that unless you're a family of
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basketball players.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
How high are yours, Jennifer.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
Oh, I've got them just under the meter, and so
they're more like a like thing. Yeah no, no, just
about nine eighty five.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
And your kitchen, kitchen, yep bench.
Speaker 5 (28:47):
Seeing your kitchen bench everything, and you're talking about future
proofing before and to me, this is a future proofing
my house because to me, a guy is going to
walk in there and go, whoaha, Finally a kitchen that
I can work in.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
You know.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
I just think there's about time we realize that people
a tour an edit, give us a selection of.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Kitchen That is an interesting thought. There was a very
well known famous New Zealander by the name of Max Cryer,
and I had lunch with Max a few times, and
Max famously had very high kitchen benches and he'd had
them and I'm sure who bought the house had to
rip it all to bits and redo the kitchen because
it was he was six foot seven and a bachelor
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who were at that height. So it's an interesting Thanks Jennifer.
That's I think.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
I think most cabinet makers, unless you're buying it from
Bunnings or the like, most kitchen cabinet makers will make
them to height these days, to height to desired height.
So if you want an extra height then the cabinet
makers will make them to a specified height. I mean,
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we make them to whatever our clients need them.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
If anyone's at home right now and you've got to
take measure, I'd be curious. Just bombard me with a
few text as to how you bent how high your
bench heights, because if you had asked me, Kelly, how
high a kitchen bench was, off the top of my head,
I would have said one meter. But it must be
nine hundred, yeah, it must be.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
We generally do them about nine to ten, which is
a good standard height for you know, unless you're an
extremely tall family, that's quite a standard height to have
that you can that you can use because you know,
you want to be using your elbows to cut things
and things like that. And if it's too high, you
don't have that unless you're an extremely tall family.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Actually, well, you see that is one thing if you
were an extremely tall family and just designed all your
benchtops for really tall people.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Yeah, that's it does limit resale.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Well, that's that is there's an answer to our question,
which I meant to what are the bad things you
can do which might affect your resale? And probably building
your kitchen for basketball players would be one of those
looking at the see isn't it funny? I was looking
at that picture of rarebirdsin terriors dot Com, which is
your front page, and thinking that that bench top. I
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couldn't tell you what a meter looked like anyway. No,
a meat is probably a lot harder than we think, isn't.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
It It is, especially if you're because you want to have,
you know, leverage when you're using the kitchen bench top.
You don't want to be too top tall unless you're
tall yourself.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
I feel like texting my wife and saying, can you
measure our benchtop and see how high it is? You
be like, what are you on?
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Yeah? So we usually do them around at the max
nine ten, unless it's an extremely tall family.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Okay, right, we'll take some look you wanted to call
us and share it with us, your stories about the
renovations you've made and whether in fact you did them
for you or to for resale. But also if you
want to bombard me with just questions around how high
your benches, give us a call. Oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty it is eighteen minutes to five. News Talks EDB,
News Talk ZB somebody's texted and I've got I've a
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with a little bit of hate mail. It says, please
stop that jerk Tim talking about his own renovations. That's
from John. He signed it from John and Marsterton. He
wants been to narrow it down. John. Look, just to
point out a few things. If I'm hosting a show
on whatever topic it will be, and I'm having a conversation,
of course I'm going to talk about things from my
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own point of view. If you want to add another
point of view, what you hop in instead of being
an abusive jerk yourself is you call up and you
share your story and then we get to hear about John.
And that's how it works with a bit of love.
So there you go. Just to have a think about
that for the future, rather than sending odious little missives
like that one. Now here's some questions. Oh, by the way, Kelly,
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So I've got a text from another Kelly here. Just
before I get to that, there's I got quite a
bit of response just to the bench top height nine
thirty milimeters. Oh my god, So I'm getting spammed on
about it. Nine to thirty milimeters. Retirement village minus eight eighty.
That's quite Is that quite low? That's from Carolina.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
It's quite low. It wasn't low forty to fifty years ago.
But I guess if it's in a retirement village, they
want to, you know, adjust it to people who may
not be, you know, from six foot three and mobility
and maybe kind of leaning over a little bit.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Hey, guys, my bench is nineteen is getting too high
from for this five foot nothing short us who's shrinking
height rapidly. I have to have shoes shoes on to reach. Really,
that does nineteen? Okay? Kitchen bench ninety eight centimeters. Previous
owners who built it themselves. We're tall and we aren't,
but it's nice to lean on. Even at five foot three,
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shower heads everything is tall. That's such an I'd never
thought about the height of fixtures. You just assume it's
a big standard, don't you.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Well it is kind of standard, but generally, if people
are doing work in their own homes and they're planning
to stay there for quite a while, then they will
customize it to suit them. Obviously.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Yeah, Hi, Tim, I've been trying to find This is
just a help me question for you, Kelly. I've been
trying to find colored for mica for my nineteen fifty
batch slash home. Nothing in New Zealand. I can find
it in Australia, but I can't get a cabinet maker
to work with me. Any advice from Kelly.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
That's a really interesting question. There is quite a range
of for micro available, certainly not the extensive kind of
patent and colors that were available in the fifties and sixties.
But it's getting better because color is coming back again
and people aren't just doing white kitchens. They are doing
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things that are a little bit more adventurous.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
I feel I'm being trolled with your backhand. Not at all, not.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
At all, not at all. And I noticed that the
Property of the Week is white as well, so I'm
not saying anything about white kitchen.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
The Property of the Week is a ripper, by the way,
but we'll get onto that.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Sorry, I totally forgot.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
I've been trying to get I've been trying to fight
colored for Micah.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
What is what is for mica for Micah is sounds
like seventies. Yeah, it's a it's a synthetic, a man
made product to that to make bench tops out of.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
You know what? I think, let's I'm going to interpolate
as if I'm Kelly, yes, and I'm expecting you to
say give up on the fur Micah. There are some
other choices you can make, make which you'll still get
you that vibe.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Is that not necessarily? No, not necessarily. I mean there
are interesting for micas around. They're obviously a better entry
level cost price cost point, and it's.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
A nineteen fifty batch home.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
So often for Micah is consistent with the design aesthetics
of that time. We certainly don't have all the patterns
and the interesting for micas that were available back then
because people are using stone a lot more now than
what they were in the fifties. But there are a
few companies who do different for micas or lemon X.
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Lemnx is one of them.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Seems strange I can find in Australia, but I can't
get a cabinet maker to work with me. Does that
mean the cabinet maker won't have access to that material?
So doesn't you know.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
A lot of cabinet makers are quite restrictive in what
they do, and that's why maybe going through an interior
designer or a kitchen a specialist in kitchens might be
a better way to go because they'll have more access
to more product, and they will they'll probably champion you
a bit with a cabinet maker to say that, look,
we really want to use this product.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Okay, so instead of so you'd be searching for I'm
guessing it's for a kitchen, isn't it for mic I mean.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Yes, it's a bench top, so I use it on
bench tops.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Okay. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
And there are more colors coming out because I think
you know, we went through this wave where kitchens were white,
and now the wave in interiors again is a lot
more color, a lot or texture. So we're seeing the
reintroduction of different textures and colors and patterns back into
things like for mica.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
And I've got a quick question which might require more
time than we've got actually, but I'll throw it out
there anyway. If you are looking to change the color
sort of scheme of your home, Yes, are the you
know everywhere, whether it be Duex or Razine or the
different paint companies, they are all can will give you
suggestions of families of color. Yes, is that quite a
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good Is that quite a good way to approach having
maybe a bit of variation within the house, and yet
it's sticking to a certain color template because they spend
a lot more time thinking about it than I do.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
Yeah, it depends on your personality really. I mean, if
you like things a little bit calmer, then yes, absolutely
do stick to more one family of color. But if
you like a little bit more life, then you can
use a lot more contrast and opposing color palette to
give you a bit more energy and life.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
So if you were doing different colors in each room,
for instance, would a way of keeping up sort of
having a sense of consistency be that, well, you might
have the same color or the same flooring at least
at least linking it up in one way or another
and light footings and all that. Or is that just
a dumb question.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
No questions are dumb, tim No questions are dumb. I
think that really comes down to personal taste and whether
what you want the feel of your home, because in
the end, that's what interior is about, is how you
feel in a space. So certain spaces might want to
(38:39):
energize you, other spaces might want to calm you. Just
depends on what the function of that space is, on
how you would choose your colors, whether you're going to
have more monochromatic, meaning the colors all the same, or
you're going to have some contrast of color.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Okay, Okay, I think I need to dig into that
more in another time. But anyway, hey, look we've got
to come back with the one with probably the week.
It is eight minutes to five news talks. He'd be
probably the week. Go and check it out. It as
a flat apartment to sixteen View Road in Mount Eden,
three bedrooms, two bathrooms. I won't go through the boring details.
(39:14):
It's got an asking price of three million bucks or
should I say two nine nine nine zero zero zero.
But it is notable because it is it's one of
looks like about four apartments, which is part of what
was the historic Saint James's Church. And look, it's a
lot of white, isn't it, Kelly. But at the it's
(39:37):
a stunning looking building and a great looking location. And so,
I mean, I would imagine there'd be quite a lot
of interest in this property. What do you reckon? What's
your take on it?
Speaker 3 (39:46):
I love the spaces that are available. Like you said,
there's a lot of white, but it's an incrediblely great
blank canvas to be adding to by adding more color
and texture with papers.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
And it's interesting that the staging because it's all white
walls and there's a bit of a very white kitchen
with a little bit of modern camera cabinet tree, but
the staging is underwhelming. Perhaps it's surprising that they've gone
so bland with the bed coverings and stage because it's
clearly been staged. Yeah, I mean that's time.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
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