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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
And welcome to the rewrap for Tuesday. All the best
buts from the mic hosting breakfast on News Talks. He'd
be in a sillier package. I am Glen Hart today
Golden Bay. Some mint is getting some kind of government bailout.
So we are in the bailout business, now are we.
Let's dig into this pile of cement shortly, Ryan Fox,
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he took up a large chunk of the show this morning,
and not just when he was on air either, and
start contrast to other places yesterday, but before.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Any of that.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
So yep, it's a new PM day again in the UK.
I mean this sort of thing doesn't happen every day,
only every second day.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
So welcome to the Burnham Era, a set of events
that is, as far as I can ascertain, unique. Has
a person taken over from a resigning prime minister. Yes,
Sirnak Brown Callahan Chamberlain. But they were MPs, and in
the Burnham isn't MP, but only justin and that is
the uniqueness of all of this. No one has ever
been an MP left the Commons, been elected elsewhere as
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Burnham was in Manchester, then been elected back in to
take over the PM's job. So the events of the
past couple of weeks are not to be underestimated. This
is history. Nor indeed were the events which led up
to the Makerfield by election to be underestimated either, given
there was no by election, they invented one by the
previous blake falling on his sword, and he fell on
his sword because of the four hundred and two Labour
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people in the Commons, the four hundred and one that
were not Keir Starmer, could not find a single one
among their group that they thought might make a decent
or at least a better leader of the country than
the bloke. They had four hundred ish and no leadership talent.
And that isn't a red flag. I don't know what
is anyway. The rest is history, and he took over overnight,
as you well aware. Will he last until the election, Yes,
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because as I've just explained, there is no one else,
so it has to work. What will lead though, to
their almost inevitable defeat in twenty twenty nine is the
fact Burnham is about to drag his party to the left,
and he is doing that because Britain is troubled economically,
and people like Burnham in such times think the only
solution is more government and more tax. Britain is already
suffering a mass exodus of the wealthy, and he won't
help immigration, perhaps their number one issue outside the economy's
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a mess as well, and left leaning government's favor a
softer approach which brings in reform reform. Unlike One Nation
and Australia are more established and electorally, especially locally more successful,
Britain is at a crossroads, driven by a fiscal woe
in general anger, farrage and reform are the opiate for
the times. Is Burnham more charismatic than Starmer? Of course?
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Will a new leader give them new hope, absolutely, But
the Burnham view of the world has never led anyone anywhere.
Labour won the election. Never forget because the Tories lost,
not because Labour was ready. They weren't. Ask Morgan McSweeney.
Burnham is simply bought them time.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Yeah, so I heard quite a bit from Burnham today.
You know, he did a big speech outside Number ten.
You know you would please know Larry the cat looks
like he'll be staying. I don't think he really cares
too much about who's who's Prime minister as long as
he gets said.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Does he feed himself? Is he a mouser? Anyway?
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Larry the Cat's there, Burnham's there, So you did the
speech there. There was also an interview as well. Talked
a lot about how it was all about change, change, change, change,
very very Obama like, it's about change.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Is change actually a thing?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Or do you sort of have to be quite specific
on exactly how you're going to affect that change and
what that will look like at the other end.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
I guess we'll find out.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
And we'll see if people are in that voting for
more change in a few years time. Rerap right, did
we vote in a government who just hands out money
to businesses that aren't doing very well?
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Is that what we voted for?
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Nikola Will has told us she did not take the
decision lightly, and well she might have said that, and
she is lucky it only cost us sixty million. We
still don't know what the terms are, but we need to.
This is golden cement. Of course, the government has come
to their rescue without this help. Allegedly, they would have closed.
There's only one supplier in the country. Allegedly, this is
in and of itself, seems to be a bit of
an issue, and I don't even know that that's true.
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They produce sixty percent of what we use. Is the
other forty percent cheap?
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Well?
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Yes? And what of the climate mitigation issues that fletchers
speak of. Why do we worry about the sixty percent
not the other forty percent? And why is climate so
important in the cement business? And is climate worth worrying
about if it means the closure of business and the
loss of jobs. And that is one of the questions,
of course, of the age, especially given the Europeans over
the weekend signaled their intentions to pull back on climate
expectation for their businesses for exactly the same reasons. Climate
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v jobs HM quite like the jobs thanks. Fletcher Building
is the owner a company with no shortage of drama
around their reputation and activities, but not a business desperate.
You wouldn't have thought for sixty million bucks. But and
here's the crunchy bit, one that in straitened times is
perfectly entitled to pull the pen if they want to
on things that aren't working. So what do we have here?
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Do we have a good business decision or we have blackmail?
Is the business run as they claim? In other words,
it's not workable? Or are they a bit useless? Britain
having the same conversation currently over a nationalized steel works
involving the Chinese in a water company that's on its knees.
The trouble is the specifics and the precedent. See every
story is unique. Can a government write a check for
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one offs? Maybe? Does it set a potential precedent? Yes?
It does. Should the government be in cement No? Should
we be more resilient in the basics of things like
building materials, Yes, We've just had that debate by cleaning
out an old tank at Marsden. Resilience is important. So
I think I don't mind this as a one off.
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But is it a bad businesses or is it a
business hampered by dumb rules around climate? And if it's
the latter, would a change of those rules fix the
problem better then a check for a bail out?
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Yeah? This whole saving the cowte conspect to this saving
the planet thing. It's so inconvenient that some people want
the planet to continue to be able to sustain human life.
It's really annoying, isn't it a wrap? And you know,
I think Hosking sort of agrees with me. Well, I
think he agrees with what the equation is. Do you
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want business and jobs or do you want a planet?
Speaker 4 (06:43):
When a New Zealand needed bailing out, it was deemed
essential and it could not fail. The government nationalized fifty
one percent. So why didn't they do this with Cement?
I feel the country is warming to strategic nationalization by
voting for director accountability in New Zealand first for national interest?
Wouldn't go that far? I mean sixty million dollars mate,
it's it's not in New Zealand, but it's the precedent
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and that's the difficulty. Might Regolden based cement. All the
government is doing is paying their account and tax for
fletchers to prevent unemployment. See that's the next point. Surely
the ETS if it's costing jobs. And I told you
about this yesterday With Europe, Europe has delayed the implementation
of some of the ET or their rets on jobs
and in business as you've gone from something like thirty
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four to thirty eight, twenty thirty four to twenty thirty eight.
Why because if you impose these costs, you lose jobs.
And no government is interested in watching people lose jobs,
especially in an election year. So why is local cement
ets when the rest of it isn't? I mean, answer
me that. And if that's the problem, why doesn't the
government go buger the etes and would rather have the jobs?
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And let Chloe wine she was whining publicly yesterday, she
could have wined on that that green announcement? Will they did?
They honestly fly all the way to Dunedin for that?
I mean, honestly the length of the country to Dunedin
to go and that is where fossil fuels belong in
a museum. Couldn't they have gone to Auckland Museum and
just saved themselves some money and some air miles.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
I know I keep harping on about this, but I
do just find it amusing. Where do you know people
just constantly come out now and say, I mean, what.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Do you want here? Do you want people to lose
their jobs or do you want to save the planet?
Which is it? And you know, if if that indeed
is the equation, everybody just.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Goes, oh, no jobs, thanks and nobody ever says, oh
planet please, it's so weird.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
I mean, it's only the planet, you know.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
The rewrapp And then of course, and this always happens
if you talk for something about one issues, you know,
over the course of an entire program, do you really
tacking into the weeds, like what is some mean?
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Anyway, Mike, who just lost it in the background that
was semi semi finds me endearing, charming and extremely funny.
It's the main reason he got the job.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
I think he's just looking at memes on the ins
properly was.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
For you people saying they're only ever made of clay.
I thought you were better informed. I am better informed.
You can have clinker bricks, but Glenn is one hundred
percent correct, and the clinker can be in a brick.
Clinker can be in a bit of a brick or
a lot of a brick, and a lot of the
clinker bricks were deformed bricks, unusual bricks, reject bricks, but
not always.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Well specifically the ones with the because my ones were
sort of orange brown with the black creek that's on it.
And if you got too close to the house you gram.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Or your league, it did run, So what was the
what was the point of that? Was it the fun?
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Because we used to have fun in New Zealand. So
we had clinker bricks that you could scrape an injury yourself.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
And I think, now I see a clinker bread house
and I think, oh, that's going to be hard to modernize.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Is it just my age? But yesterday the main story
was the gigantic and once again I apologize for people
outside of Auckland, the interceptor, which was the big pipe.
So they opened a pipe yesterday and I'm into infrastructure
these days, and this is a massive pipe that runs
from basically one into Auckland to another and it's going
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to stop the poos running into the ocean. And I thought,
that's good stuff. Or put it another way, that's good shit.
So if you hit the mic on, Sammy's laughing again
or is he still on the moons?
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Anyway, I had to tell.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
So there was one point six billion dollars. It came
in roughly to budget, it came in on time, and
it's going to solve a fundamental and profound problem. What's
upon a time in my life I would have no
pun intended poop pooed an idea like that, because I
would have thought, who needs that, Let's get some you know,
some frippery around the place. But these days I look
at a pipe like that and I think that's excellent,
that's awesome. We're better off for it.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
So it's Poosday Tuesday today. But just yeah, this is
the clinker brick. Nobody's still doing that today. They stopped
doing that quite some time ago. And yeah, I yes,
I mean even just a brick house, you sometimes think
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and then somebody will paint it gray and you goh eh,
but if it's still got the bits of clinker all
over it, what can you do about that? The rerap Okay, Now,
we had Ryan Fox on the show for an extended
interview this morning. Currently the best golfer in the world
New Zealand bloke. Pretty exciting that he's one of the
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four major golf tournaments that happen every year, beat all
the rest of the golfers from everywhere.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Not big news for some people, though, apparently Mike.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
The coverage Ryan Fox's victory has been dismal on our
traditional mainstream media. We can't believe it wasn't the top
story on One News last night. I thought exactly the
same thing I've given up. Other people can do whatever
they want. But I tried to explain on this program
yesterday's why we got Ryan after right, he's just landed
back home in Florida. It is hard to overstate what
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he did for one sport and to this country yesterday.
It was a truly historic moment. And if you couldn't
appreciate that, you probably shouldn't be in the news business.
And to watch TV one last night dedicate fifteen minutes
to the World Cup final, not because it's the World
Cup final, but because the of the broadcasters, so journalism
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got put in the bin while they paid homage to
their bottom line, basically, and fifteen minutes to a game
that really it's the World Cup. Yep, I get it,
but it's not. We weren't in it, already where close
to being in it, and yet we made history as
a country in a sport that we're interested in with
a person we all know and love. And they didn't
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think that that was worth mentioning.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
I'm assuming it was on the sports news. I mean,
I didn't watch, but you don't even know. These days,
there spent a lot of time. There's three different weather
sections these days?
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Aren't there.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
That?
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Not that many Ryan Fox sections? Apparently I am. I'm
glad I found a section for him and this podcast.
Otherwise I'd be facing my hoskins. That wouldn't make Sam laugh.
This is sort of trailed off a little bit at
the end, and I wish that i'd finished at about
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twenty seven seconds ago.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
That was great then.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Anyway, Hopefully I'll get my mojo back in time for
tomorrow's one.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
I'll see you then rerat rerap.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
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