July 14, 2026 • 12 mins
THE BEST BITS IN A SILLIER PACKAGE (from Wednesday's Mike Hosking Breakfast) But This Lunatic?/So, We're Doing Polls?/Understanding Power/Too Dark to Get Up
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
The Rewrap and Welcome to the Rewrap for Wednesday. All
the best, but from the mic casting breakfast on news Talks,
they'd be in a sillier package. I am Glen Hart,
and today we are doing polls apparently on the show
on this podcast. I know, I said we weren't doing
them anymore. We're doing them. Yep, we're doing them. How
(00:43):
much power costs and what type of power it costs.
And if you thought this was hard to understand, you
just wait and then they're turning off the lights in
the US. But before any of that, Paul Henry came
in today, So yep, that's happening. That's the thing.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Paul Henry and I go back a long way, decades.
In fact, I used to read news on a show
of mine many ago. I can't say I saw politics
in his future, but then again, I can't say I
couldn't have ruled it out either. So why not him?
He's retired, He could be a bit bored, I guess,
or he could be driven to make a contribution. If
hanging out in Wellington is a contribution you want to make.
He's good, fun, he's bright, he's worldly. I don't think
(01:24):
he'll fit well into the system. He's a free spirit,
and those sort of people don't tend to operate well
in teams with instruction. He spoke passionately if you saw
it yesterday about his country could be age. But I
feel exactly the same way. I don't have to live
here either. I choose Tom because I love the place.
He's in the same sort of position, so why not
try to lend a hand. He spoke singularly about our debt.
(01:44):
He's indisputably right. Of course, he could have stolen those
lines and concerned from me if you listen to this
program regularly. Maybe all blokes sixty ish years of age
worry about our debt in our country. Maybe it's because
we're old enough to remember better days and see no
reason why we can't re engineer the place to look
like it once did. But politics is about more than debt.
The other issue is, if you're going to go to
(02:05):
Wellington to save the country, you really need to be
in a position to power, and national has more power
than act, so this clearly is also a philosophical or
ideological decision. He likes the cut of their libertarian jib.
In terms of performance, the place will be better for him.
He's fun, he's quick. You might want to watch the
line between serious and clown entertaining, a nutty professional and
(02:26):
self indulgent. The big game changer for him will be accountability.
Once they vote for you, once they pay for you,
they own you, and boy will they let him know
about it. But I like people who don't have to
do stuff doing stuff. They're generally there for the right reasons.
David Seymour told me yesterday it's just the shot in
the arm they need right now, and I think he's right.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yeah, I can't quite put my finger on exactly why
I feel so uneasy about this particular one. I mean,
I guess just because you're famous doesn't mean you're not
allowed to stand for public office. It's we've seen this,
you know, play out in various different ways, and some
of them have been complete disaster, especially internationally rerap Anyway,
(03:11):
it's not all about what I think.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Of course, my yes or no answer, and one you
don't have to answer on air while I kill is
there a little piece of you wondering whether entering politics
could be an opportunity for you in the future after
talking to Paul no dan No. I thought I made
that clear in the interview. What I admire about what
Paul has done, given where similar people have known each
other for decades and in similar situations, I can't do
what he's going to do, and I think I think
(03:34):
person for me, it would be a mistake. I cannot
be constrained by the sort of environment that Wellington would
see me constrained by. I would end up saying something
ridiculous and probably be sacked. And I'm not ruling out
the fact that Paul's not going to end up in
exactly the same position.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Sure, he's sort of stat of clock. I mean, it's
only a matter of time show well.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
I mean, the interesting thing about Paul is he's got
the right party in terms of being able to get
elected high up the list or selected high up the list.
So if this government is he is going to parliament,
so he will become an MP. If he's an MP
within the government, if they get returned as government, he
will be a cabinet minister. So there are many parties
that you could join that you couldn't say the same thing.
(04:15):
So he is on a pathway and we wish him
the best with that pathway. But he's also got a
track record, and I think we all know what the
track record is.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I mean, did he already do it? Like when he
said this.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
What I would not like to see is a really
strong New Zealand First in the coalition. We need some consistency,
we need we really need to drive home a change
in direction.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
All you can do is wish him well because he's
brutally honest. What you hear is what you get, and
what you get is what you're hear. Very honest and
Frank interview one hundred percent understand Mike where Paul is
coming from. Mike, listening to your excellent interview with Paul
this morning gives me some hope he's entering for all
the right reasons. Mike. Nothing new from Henry. We've heard
it all before. So there you go. He's dividing people,
and when you're dividing people, you know you're winning.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I mean, given it was interesting, he was quite critical
of New Zealand First in his interview this morning, and
you know they've obviously in New Zealand First the kind
of people got a problem with what they've been saying
about the Indian community in this country and India as
(05:17):
a country recently. And it's kind of ironic that you've
got a guy criticizing them who's gone into quite a
bit of trouble because he made fun of an Indian
woman with what he perceived as being a funny name
and a funny face. So but we've forgotten about that
(05:40):
heavily and we're moving on rewrap right. You know how
I said that poles are band on the show, on
the podcast, and we're never ever doing them again. Apparently
we're allowed to them as long as we do all
of them at once. I think this is Mike's new thing.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Pull the polls this morning. Let's have a look at
this and see what we've got. This is where it
gets slightly ropy because the pole of polls, and you know,
just to regiterlate, that's sort of the only pole thing
I'm doing anymore. But fifty percent probability that the Opportunities
Party get to five percent, So it's fifty to fifty tossico.
That's added up as a result of yesterday's Radio and
New Zealand Read Research poll once again, they're not at
(06:14):
five percent, so they've never been at five percent. And
despite the fact they've never been across the threshold, they're
still fifty to fifty, which strikes me as odd. But
then again, I wasn't that good at school sert maths,
so it could be my problem, not theirs. Sixty two
point nine percent, let's call it sixty three sixty three
percent probability that national et cetera. Of the current government
are going to be returned, the probability of labor leaving
(06:35):
the next government to seven point six percent. Those numbers
are changing, not materially but as each pole comes along.
But the likelihood, and this is where I'm sort of
it's starting potentially to become a bit of a waste
of time. So the likelihood of a national New Zealand
First Act and Opportunity combination is eighty eight point one
percent as far as a maths calculation is concerned. Fabulous.
(06:58):
Do whatever you like with numbers, but it isn't real.
So therefore, if it's not real, why include it. As
I said the other day, it's like saying the chances
of a New Zealand First National Labor government might be
ninety eight percent for all I know, but it isn't happening,
So why I bother with them? The left block chances
including Opportunity twenty eight percent. We all know Opportunity isn't
going with National. National aren't going with Opportunity, and that's
(07:20):
before you get to New Zealand first and next. So
the whole thing's not real. But as it stands the
pole of polls, it looks once again like the government
is going to be re elected.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
So I guess Mike's theory there is that if you
aggregate all the POLE statistics you get a more accurate pole.
I wonder if they're all totally out of whack, if
it's the most inaccurate way of looking at things. But anyway,
the rewrap right. So Mike's got some interesting numbers around power.
(07:52):
They are Australian numbers, but I wouldn't hold that against them.
The numbers, I mean always hold things. Again, Australians don't
hold things against numbers though, they're just numbers.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
From the CSIRO. The first time ever they've mapped this out.
Investing in more foss fuels and limiting the role out
of wind and solar could cut five percent from the
electricity costs in Australia by twenty fifty. Now, obviously the
trade off is that have to abandon all the climate commitments,
but they would have cheaper power. So first time modeling.
(08:27):
It's the National Science Agency. By the way, the csiros
not something you would expect from them. If you do
it with coal, you can do it for one hundred
and twenty four dollars per megawatt hour. If you do
it with wind and solar, it's one hundred and thirty
one dollars. So you asked your average Australian which would
you rather have? Would you rather have cheaper power or
more expensive power to save the planet. I think I
(08:50):
know where many Australians would go.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yeah, I don't know how many people. We're making the
case that renewables is going to work out cheaper. I
think some people say that it might in the end
once we figured it all out. What I think a
lot of people are worried about as that whole you know,
keeping the planet alive and not choking it to death
at a faster and faster accelerating rate. I think that's
(09:15):
what people were trying to go forward those All I
know is that when it comes to calculating the cost
of electricity, it's impossible. Because Genesis just sent me an
email yesterday saying that they're moving me on. My plan
doesn't exist anymore. Do you love it when your plan
doesn't exist anymore? The plan that you're on, Oh yeah,
we're not doing that anymore. So this is the new
plan that you're going to be on, and here are
(09:37):
all the amazing benefits. And you know that that means
it's going to be more expensive. Could I figure out
how much more expensive? No, because those power costs, the
way that they quantify and set it out, there's no
way to understand it. And I don't know how many
commissioners we need to say that they're making us too
confusing for the customers. They haven't made any less confusing.
(10:01):
They're given me ten dollars a month off off what
the new plan that I will than on before because
I've got gas empower and then and then try and
figure out how actually change it for gas. Nobody talks
about that. My head hurts the rewrap. At least I'm
not trying to figure out what time it is because
(10:23):
it is daylight, so I know it's the day that
may be becoming more and more complicated in certain parts
of America.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Actually, the other thing I noted in America this week
will be voted on. Are the Congress going to vote
on whether to end daylight saving that twice yearly Changing
of the Clock Sunshine Protection Act is what they call.
It's been around for decades. DST permanent default time across
the nation, extend sunlight later in the evening during winter. Sunrise, though,
is going to be a problem in some parts of America,
(10:50):
could be as late as eight thirty in the morning.
It's across the House thirty four co sponsors in the House,
three of them Democrats, eighteen and the Senate eight to Democrats.
Trump loves it, wants it nineteen. American states have already
passed laws that would see them switch to permanent daylight
saving time if Congress allows them, everywhere from Florida, where
the sun always shines a co Tennessee, Delaware, Maine, Georgia, Minnesota, Alabama, Texas,
(11:11):
State of Washington. If DST was made permanent, the sunrise
in Seattle would be nine in the morning. Can you
live with that? The sun doesn't come up till nine
in the morning in fact, if you're in Grand Rapids,
it's nine point fifteen. In Williston, North Dakota, nine forty five,
it doesn't get light till nine forty five, so obviously
(11:32):
they're not voting for it.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah. I get up in the dark, doesn't matter what
time of the year it is, because of the hours
I keep. It would be a little bit depressing though,
to get home also and it's still dark, which is
potentially what would happen in that's the situation there. I
do sometimes get home just at fourteen o'clock and it
(11:54):
was still dark. I think I suppose I just go
back to bed and pretend that the whole thing had
not happened. It's just a bad dream, I mean a
great dream. Spending time with you is always great, of course,
and I look forward to doing it again tomorrow. I
think that's setting myself there.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
The rewrap the rerap for more from News Talks at
b Listen live on air or online, and keep our
shows with you wherever you go with our podcasts on
iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from news Talk zed be
follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
The Rewrap and Welcome to the Rewrap for Wednesday. All
the best, but from the mic casting breakfast on news Talks,
they'd be in a sillier package. I am Glen Hart,
and today we are doing polls apparently on the show
on this podcast. I know, I said we weren't doing
them anymore. We're doing them. Yep, we're doing them. How
(00:43):
much power costs and what type of power it costs.
And if you thought this was hard to understand, you
just wait and then they're turning off the lights in
the US. But before any of that, Paul Henry came
in today, So yep, that's happening. That's the thing.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Paul Henry and I go back a long way, decades.
In fact, I used to read news on a show
of mine many ago. I can't say I saw politics
in his future, but then again, I can't say I
couldn't have ruled it out either. So why not him?
He's retired, He could be a bit bored, I guess,
or he could be driven to make a contribution. If
hanging out in Wellington is a contribution you want to make.
He's good, fun, he's bright, he's worldly. I don't think
(01:24):
he'll fit well into the system. He's a free spirit,
and those sort of people don't tend to operate well
in teams with instruction. He spoke passionately if you saw
it yesterday about his country could be age. But I
feel exactly the same way. I don't have to live
here either. I choose Tom because I love the place.
He's in the same sort of position, so why not
try to lend a hand. He spoke singularly about our debt.
(01:44):
He's indisputably right. Of course, he could have stolen those
lines and concerned from me if you listen to this
program regularly. Maybe all blokes sixty ish years of age
worry about our debt in our country. Maybe it's because
we're old enough to remember better days and see no
reason why we can't re engineer the place to look
like it once did. But politics is about more than debt.
The other issue is, if you're going to go to
(02:05):
Wellington to save the country, you really need to be
in a position to power, and national has more power
than act, so this clearly is also a philosophical or
ideological decision. He likes the cut of their libertarian jib.
In terms of performance, the place will be better for him.
He's fun, he's quick. You might want to watch the
line between serious and clown entertaining, a nutty professional and
(02:26):
self indulgent. The big game changer for him will be accountability.
Once they vote for you, once they pay for you,
they own you, and boy will they let him know
about it. But I like people who don't have to
do stuff doing stuff. They're generally there for the right reasons.
David Seymour told me yesterday it's just the shot in
the arm they need right now, and I think he's right.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yeah, I can't quite put my finger on exactly why
I feel so uneasy about this particular one. I mean,
I guess just because you're famous doesn't mean you're not
allowed to stand for public office. It's we've seen this,
you know, play out in various different ways, and some
of them have been complete disaster, especially internationally rerap Anyway,
(03:11):
it's not all about what I think.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Of course, my yes or no answer, and one you
don't have to answer on air while I kill is
there a little piece of you wondering whether entering politics
could be an opportunity for you in the future after
talking to Paul no dan No. I thought I made
that clear in the interview. What I admire about what
Paul has done, given where similar people have known each
other for decades and in similar situations, I can't do
what he's going to do, and I think I think
(03:34):
person for me, it would be a mistake. I cannot
be constrained by the sort of environment that Wellington would
see me constrained by. I would end up saying something
ridiculous and probably be sacked. And I'm not ruling out
the fact that Paul's not going to end up in
exactly the same position.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Sure, he's sort of stat of clock. I mean, it's
only a matter of time show well.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
I mean, the interesting thing about Paul is he's got
the right party in terms of being able to get
elected high up the list or selected high up the list.
So if this government is he is going to parliament,
so he will become an MP. If he's an MP
within the government, if they get returned as government, he
will be a cabinet minister. So there are many parties
that you could join that you couldn't say the same thing.
(04:15):
So he is on a pathway and we wish him
the best with that pathway. But he's also got a
track record, and I think we all know what the
track record is.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I mean, did he already do it? Like when he
said this.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
What I would not like to see is a really
strong New Zealand First in the coalition. We need some consistency,
we need we really need to drive home a change
in direction.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
All you can do is wish him well because he's
brutally honest. What you hear is what you get, and
what you get is what you're hear. Very honest and
Frank interview one hundred percent understand Mike where Paul is
coming from. Mike, listening to your excellent interview with Paul
this morning gives me some hope he's entering for all
the right reasons. Mike. Nothing new from Henry. We've heard
it all before. So there you go. He's dividing people,
and when you're dividing people, you know you're winning.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I mean, given it was interesting, he was quite critical
of New Zealand First in his interview this morning, and
you know they've obviously in New Zealand First the kind
of people got a problem with what they've been saying
about the Indian community in this country and India as
(05:17):
a country recently. And it's kind of ironic that you've
got a guy criticizing them who's gone into quite a
bit of trouble because he made fun of an Indian
woman with what he perceived as being a funny name
and a funny face. So but we've forgotten about that
(05:40):
heavily and we're moving on rewrap right. You know how
I said that poles are band on the show, on
the podcast, and we're never ever doing them again. Apparently
we're allowed to them as long as we do all
of them at once. I think this is Mike's new thing.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Pull the polls this morning. Let's have a look at
this and see what we've got. This is where it
gets slightly ropy because the pole of polls, and you know,
just to regiterlate, that's sort of the only pole thing
I'm doing anymore. But fifty percent probability that the Opportunities
Party get to five percent, So it's fifty to fifty tossico.
That's added up as a result of yesterday's Radio and
New Zealand Read Research poll once again, they're not at
(06:14):
five percent, so they've never been at five percent. And
despite the fact they've never been across the threshold, they're
still fifty to fifty, which strikes me as odd. But
then again, I wasn't that good at school sert maths,
so it could be my problem, not theirs. Sixty two
point nine percent, let's call it sixty three sixty three
percent probability that national et cetera. Of the current government
are going to be returned, the probability of labor leaving
(06:35):
the next government to seven point six percent. Those numbers
are changing, not materially but as each pole comes along.
But the likelihood, and this is where I'm sort of
it's starting potentially to become a bit of a waste
of time. So the likelihood of a national New Zealand
First Act and Opportunity combination is eighty eight point one
percent as far as a maths calculation is concerned. Fabulous.
(06:58):
Do whatever you like with numbers, but it isn't real.
So therefore, if it's not real, why include it. As
I said the other day, it's like saying the chances
of a New Zealand First National Labor government might be
ninety eight percent for all I know, but it isn't happening,
So why I bother with them? The left block chances
including Opportunity twenty eight percent. We all know Opportunity isn't
going with National. National aren't going with Opportunity, and that's
(07:20):
before you get to New Zealand first and next. So
the whole thing's not real. But as it stands the
pole of polls, it looks once again like the government
is going to be re elected.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
So I guess Mike's theory there is that if you
aggregate all the POLE statistics you get a more accurate pole.
I wonder if they're all totally out of whack, if
it's the most inaccurate way of looking at things. But anyway,
the rewrap right. So Mike's got some interesting numbers around power.
(07:52):
They are Australian numbers, but I wouldn't hold that against them.
The numbers, I mean always hold things. Again, Australians don't
hold things against numbers though, they're just numbers.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
From the CSIRO. The first time ever they've mapped this out.
Investing in more foss fuels and limiting the role out
of wind and solar could cut five percent from the
electricity costs in Australia by twenty fifty. Now, obviously the
trade off is that have to abandon all the climate commitments,
but they would have cheaper power. So first time modeling.
(08:27):
It's the National Science Agency. By the way, the csiros
not something you would expect from them. If you do
it with coal, you can do it for one hundred
and twenty four dollars per megawatt hour. If you do
it with wind and solar, it's one hundred and thirty
one dollars. So you asked your average Australian which would
you rather have? Would you rather have cheaper power or
more expensive power to save the planet. I think I
(08:50):
know where many Australians would go.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yeah, I don't know how many people. We're making the
case that renewables is going to work out cheaper. I
think some people say that it might in the end
once we figured it all out. What I think a
lot of people are worried about as that whole you know,
keeping the planet alive and not choking it to death
at a faster and faster accelerating rate. I think that's
(09:15):
what people were trying to go forward those All I
know is that when it comes to calculating the cost
of electricity, it's impossible. Because Genesis just sent me an
email yesterday saying that they're moving me on. My plan
doesn't exist anymore. Do you love it when your plan
doesn't exist anymore? The plan that you're on, Oh yeah,
we're not doing that anymore. So this is the new
plan that you're going to be on, and here are
(09:37):
all the amazing benefits. And you know that that means
it's going to be more expensive. Could I figure out
how much more expensive? No, because those power costs, the
way that they quantify and set it out, there's no
way to understand it. And I don't know how many
commissioners we need to say that they're making us too
confusing for the customers. They haven't made any less confusing.
(10:01):
They're given me ten dollars a month off off what
the new plan that I will than on before because
I've got gas empower and then and then try and
figure out how actually change it for gas. Nobody talks
about that. My head hurts the rewrap. At least I'm
not trying to figure out what time it is because
(10:23):
it is daylight, so I know it's the day that
may be becoming more and more complicated in certain parts
of America.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Actually, the other thing I noted in America this week
will be voted on. Are the Congress going to vote
on whether to end daylight saving that twice yearly Changing
of the Clock Sunshine Protection Act is what they call.
It's been around for decades. DST permanent default time across
the nation, extend sunlight later in the evening during winter. Sunrise, though,
is going to be a problem in some parts of America,
(10:50):
could be as late as eight thirty in the morning.
It's across the House thirty four co sponsors in the House,
three of them Democrats, eighteen and the Senate eight to Democrats.
Trump loves it, wants it nineteen. American states have already
passed laws that would see them switch to permanent daylight
saving time if Congress allows them, everywhere from Florida, where
the sun always shines a co Tennessee, Delaware, Maine, Georgia, Minnesota, Alabama, Texas,
(11:11):
State of Washington. If DST was made permanent, the sunrise
in Seattle would be nine in the morning. Can you
live with that? The sun doesn't come up till nine
in the morning in fact, if you're in Grand Rapids,
it's nine point fifteen. In Williston, North Dakota, nine forty five,
it doesn't get light till nine forty five, so obviously
(11:32):
they're not voting for it.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah. I get up in the dark, doesn't matter what
time of the year it is, because of the hours
I keep. It would be a little bit depressing though,
to get home also and it's still dark, which is
potentially what would happen in that's the situation there. I
do sometimes get home just at fourteen o'clock and it
(11:54):
was still dark. I think I suppose I just go
back to bed and pretend that the whole thing had
not happened. It's just a bad dream, I mean a
great dream. Spending time with you is always great, of course,
and I look forward to doing it again tomorrow. I
think that's setting myself there.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
The rewrap the rerap for more from News Talks at
b Listen live on air or online, and keep our
shows with you wherever you go with our podcasts on
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